Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

Someone please tell me this is a joke? I had to share this is to damn funny! Figure this could help lighten the mood on this tread.

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[QUOTE=Turdlet;4885080]Someone please tell me this is a joke? I had to share this is to damn funny! Figure this could help lighten the mood on this tread.

[URL]https://knoxville.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/asian/asian-granny-35-for-an-hour-c/057726465058[/URL][/QUOTE]This is the first time I read "NO Indian". Does it mean that Indians are most likely to respond to her ad? LOL, poor Indians can't enjoy this beauty. She does not have pink pussy, LOL.

I played a high risk game last night and as for now it seems as though it may pay off. Someone close to me was talking about a former friend being "outted" for having an Onlyfans page. I had met this girl on several occasions and she's hot as hell. 18 years young and padded in the right places.

I played it cool and asked to see the post where she was outed. Made quick note of the screen name and when the coast was clear headed to onlyfans and paid the $14 admission fee for verification.

It was definitely her. Had a cell number for her from a couple years ago so I thought I'd shoot my shot. Pulled out the burner and sent an initial message. Won't go into great detail but the conversation took some time.

Needless to say I convinced her that she was safe, she could make a lot more than $10 a nude with my plan, and that it relieved her of any exposure to friends and family. The business proposition worked and we have our first board meeting later today as long as she doesn't get spooked before then.

Moral of the story is got to take those chances when they present themselves. It was a risky proposition but it paid off. Here's a little preview.

SD.

[QUOTE=ShineDog;4886429]I played a high risk game last night and as for now it seems as though it may pay off. Someone close to me was talking about a former friend being "outted" for having an Onlyfans page. I had met this girl on several occasions and she's hot as hell. 18 years young and padded in the right places.

I played it cool and asked to see the post where she was outed. Made quick note of the screen name and when the coast was clear headed to onlyfans and paid the $14 admission fee for verification.

It was definitely her. Had a cell number for her from a couple years ago so I thought I'd shoot my shot. Pulled out the burner and sent an initial message. Won't go into great detail but the conversation took some time.

Needless to say I convinced her that she was safe, she could make a lot more than $10 a nude with my plan, and that it relieved her of any exposure to friends and family. The business proposition worked and we have our first board meeting later today as long as she doesn't get spooked before then.

Moral of the story is got to take those chances when they present themselves. It was a risky proposition but it paid off. Here's a little preview.

SD.[/QUOTE]Dang, I can't wait to hear the rest of this story, and see some more pics. She is damn hot!

[QUOTE=ShineDog;4886429]I played a high risk game last night and as for now it seems as though it may pay off. Someone close to me was talking about a former friend being "outted" for having an Onlyfans page. I had met this girl on several occasions and she's hot as hell. 18 years young and padded in the right places.

I played it cool and asked to see the post where she was outed. Made quick note of the screen name and when the coast was clear headed to onlyfans and paid the $14 admission fee for verification.

It was definitely her. Had a cell number for her from a couple years ago so I thought I'd shoot my shot. Pulled out the burner and sent an initial message. Won't go into great detail but the conversation took some time.

Needless to say I convinced her that she was safe, she could make a lot more than $10 a nude with my plan, and that it relieved her of any exposure to friends and family. The business proposition worked and we have our first board meeting later today as long as she doesn't get spooked before then.

Moral of the story is got to take those chances when they present themselves. It was a risky proposition but it paid off. Here's a little preview.

SD.[/QUOTE]Way to go Shine, that's a man with a plan!

I like to see guys with strategic vision honing their skills, that's my definition of Game.

Even if you strike out here and there, if you have a vision and you're willing to work it, you will always score more, better!

East Bound and Down.

Bandit.

P.S. : That kind of Game reminds me of PaperMaker.

I agree, seems like ShineDog played it well but we've only heard the beginning of the story. Hopefully it has a happy ending.

You never count your money, while your sitting at the table......

If it works out, nice snag indeed. Let us know how it went Shine.

East.

[QUOTE=BanditRex;4886777]Way to go Shine, that's a man with a plan![/QUOTE]

Agreed, you never count your money, while your sitting at the table.

I had concern that she may back out so I tried to keep consistent communication yesterday. We were scheduled to meet at 6 and I kind of felt somewhere along the way she would get spooked. I could sense some hesitance when she started with questions and comments. "I want the money when I walk in before we do anything. " "Do we have to kiss? That seems kind of personal. " So I had to do a little work at calming her nerves via text. I got to the agreed upon notel around 5:30 to get a room. Crazy because it's a room I had been in many times, many years ago with a well known provider so that brought back a lot of memories. She kept good communication and showed up right on time.

She looked just like you would expect a hot little 18 year old to look without prompting. Tight little booty shorts showing that ass, hair in braids. Just couldn't have scripted it any better. We chatted for a bit and I asked her if she was nervous and she said no she was fine. Asked if she wanted to move to the bed? She jumps up from the chair she was in strips down revealing an amazing body and away we go. I don't think she was prepared for what came next. I ran her through the paces for a while. Being as young as she is I'm sure she's used to high school boys that are done in a few minutes. That didn't happen of course because I'm old LOL. She was very vocal and let me know when I was hitting the right spot. Several O's that caused that tight pussy to almost push my dick out.

She's going to take some work though. It's not mechanical, but just uncertainty or insecurity that's a bit of an issue. I also think there's a bit of mind fucking on her part thinking about fucking an older man. She was a bit reluctant to suck dick at first, but eventually she had it in her mouth a few different times with no issue. After I nutted she jumped up got dressed and hit the road, quick. We will need to work on that as well. She continued with texts the rest of the evening and said she was looking forward to our next meeting. I'm a little concerned about GPS as she did say she thought she was worth more money. She isn't, so I'll need to keep that in check.

For her anonymity I have blurred her face, but here's a little look at the hardware.

[QUOTE=EasttnnFun;4887190]I agree, seems like ShineDog played it well but we've only heard the beginning of the story. Hopefully it has a happy ending.

You never count your money, while your sitting at the table......

If it works out, nice snag indeed. Let us know how it went Shine.

East.[/QUOTE]

So, I posted this story in the tips and tricks section for a reason. It wasn't a report of my exploits, it's merely to share something I did that worked in this case. I see mongers asking how to pull Hooter's or TP girls, or how to score take out at a strip club. The principles are all the same it doesn't matter the profession. It's just the above mentioned seem like the low hanging fruit because they are closer to perceived "******" than the girl working the checkout line at the fast food restaurant. When the reality is you're probably closer to scoring with the later. I'm going to share a little of what I look for as this isn't a first for me. Guys legitimately I'm 44 in ok shape and I'm a decent looking guy, but I'm still 44 in ok shape and a decent looking guy. There's nothing special about me other than my ability to talk and read the situation. So, here's my thoughts take them for what you will.

1. Opportunity. You have to look for opportunity. I'm of the opinion that all girls are willing to fuck for something they want. Some have a moral compass that's a little more difficult to skate around than others, but when the opportunity is right they will do what's needed. Girls that are attention ******, have daddy issues, work a dead end job, are broke are all prime picking. Saying this would generally bring boos from the crowd and the white knight group, but I think in this forum most of you have an understanding of what I'm saying.

2. Observe. You have to observe the situation, look and listen to what's going on with this girl. If she's broke she will let you know. Can't pay the electricity, cars broke down and no way to fix it, the list goes on and on. But those are chances to make your move.

3. Familiarity. Ok, this one is important. Some of you may be able to do this, but I honestly can't make the call-to-action the first time I meet a girl. There has to be a level of familiarity. She has to at least know me, even better if she trusts me and likes me to some degree. Again, with the way I play it you have to observe the situation. I messed around with a Hooter's girl a few years back for a while, but I legitimately was in this Hooter's two or three times a week and I always had her as a waitress. There was enough familiarity there to make it work. I knew her well enough and her situation to make a move.

4. Friends. Most girls don't want to feel like or be thought of as a *****. You have to set the stage that you're a good guy just looking to help. As you progress in the conversation you have to make it clear there are no expectations (even though there are), that you legitimately want to help and you are concerned, that there are no strings attached. You have to be considered a friend and this goes back to trust. Depending on the situation and how desperate they are this might take a little work. Some it happens instantly because the moral compass isn't set so high and they view their situation as dire.

Most girls have done a lot more for a lot less. It's just that simple and something to keep in mind. It's still a game of averages and you're going to strike out sometimes. I tend to avoid strippers because most of the ones I'd want to fuck are pulling too much money in a night for me to make a difference for them. The same goes for a lot of your girls in the restaurants mentioned above. They can shake their ass, put titties in your face and flirt and there's a chance they will pull a $100 tip from some dumb ass. I've had luck with some of the following:

Bartender, barista, girl at the ice cream shop (with the wife and kids in tow, but I don't recommend it), server, dry cleaners. My point is they are every where, but it's up to you to look for the opportunities and understand how to work the slow play. It's not typically instant gratification and all it costs you initially is time and effort.

All that being said there's still dry periods and the seasoned pro is always a sure thing without all the unknowns. SA has been a lot of fun as well and can sometimes require a little finesse depending on who you're dealing with.

So, swing for the fences and see what happens.

Well played indeed sir! You've earned my respect.

East.

[QUOTE=ShineDog;4887694]She looked just like you would expect a hot little 18 year old to look without prompting. Tight little booty shorts showing that ass, hair in braids....... here's a little look at the hardware.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShineDog;4887694]Agreed, you never count your money, while your sitting at the table.

I had concern that she may back out so I tried to keep consistent communication yesterday. We were scheduled to meet at 6 and I kind of felt somewhere along the way she would get spooked. I could sense some hesitance when she started with questions and comments. "I want the money when I walk in before we do anything. " "Do we have to kiss? That seems kind of personal. " So I had to do a little work at calming her nerves via text. I got to the agreed upon notel around 5:30 to get a room. Crazy because it's a room I had been in many times, many years ago with a well known provider so that brought back a lot of memories. She kept good communication and showed up right on time.

She looked just like you would expect a hot little 18 year old to look without prompting. Tight little booty shorts showing that ass, hair in braids. Just couldn't have scripted it any better. We chatted for a bit and I asked her if she was nervous and she said no she was fine. Asked if she wanted to move to the bed? She jumps up from the chair she was in strips down revealing an amazing body and away we go. I don't think she was prepared for what came next. I ran her through the paces for a while. Being as young as she is I'm sure she's used to high school boys that are done in a few minutes. That didn't happen of course because I'm old LOL. She was very vocal and let me know when I was hitting the right spot. Several O's that caused that tight pussy to almost push my dick out.

She's going to take some work though. It's not mechanical, but just uncertainty or insecurity that's a bit of an issue. I also think there's a bit of mind fucking on her part thinking about fucking an older man. She was a bit reluctant to suck dick at first, but eventually she had it in her mouth a few different times with no issue. After I nutted she jumped up got dressed and hit the road, quick. We will need to work on that as well. She continued with texts the rest of the evening and said she was looking forward to our next meeting. I'm a little concerned about GPS as she did say she thought she was worth more money. She isn't, so I'll need to keep that in check.

For her anonymity I have blurred her face, but here's a little look at the hardware.[/QUOTE]Good job. A bit young for My liking.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4890190]And pay attention. There are some
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There are chicks that can command a higher price, they are hot and they fuck really good and if you want to pay it pay it but don't ever buy into the GPS they are trying to sell. Pussy is a commodity and I don't give a shit who the chick is some guys are paying more than other guys.
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They are selling pussy and 50% of the people on the planet have one, there is no scaricity.

Post whatever the fuck you feel like posting and never, EVER beg a prostitute to sell you pussy or you will turn into one of those guys who has to convince himself that he had a world shattering experience to justify the extraordinary amount of money he just spent.

A2.[/QUOTE]A crack girl selling smelling skank pussy may be the same to you as a woman who is prepared with a shower, mouth freshener, lotion and sexy outfits, but it sure isn't the same to me.

I've enjoyed reading reviews for several reasons. One, to eliminate those that look good in their ad, but fail to deliver in person, and Two, to see which ones are as good or better than their ad. The third reason is for just learning from others experiences.

There are several great mongers who post their experiences that are always a joy to read, just from the pleasure they had and imagining that it could have been yourself in their shoes. Bandit is the greatest at this, Milfman is good, and others as well.

In the year I've been in the hobby I've seen a wide range of providers. The experts are worth more than the novices. Sometimes a novice is great just to enjoy their youth, but they also don't have the skills that are wonderful to be on the receiving end of.

I finally got around to seeing Torii last week. She is without a doubt an expert care giver. She is as real and authentic as they come. Once you're in her arms kissing her beautiful lips, you forget everything and discover your dream is coming true. She gives 110 percent and was agreeable to any suggestions I could think of! (Caveat. Before playing we had discussed what was and wasn't ok).

Torii is, in a word, perfect. I know her admission is on the high end, but for those who enjoy quality over price, you will not regret seeing her.

P.S. Never did we discuss anything about me reviewing her. For respect, I did tell her I was going to post today. She told me to use any photo I wanted. I have others that are just for me to look at.

Billy.

[QUOTE=MaxOptimus;4891175]A crack whooree selling smelling skank pussy may be the same to you as a woman who is prepared with a shower, mouth freshener, lotion and sexy outfits, but it sure isn't the same to me.[/QUOTE]Did you miss the part where I said, not once but twice, that some chicks command a higher price than others because they are better at what they do? Seriously I said it twice and the second time I said it I went on to say that I have never said a chick charges too much. They charge what they charge.

Or are you one of those guys who doesn't really care what somebody actually said if you can try and start a fight?

I moved your post to the fight thread which is where it belonged.

A2.

[QUOTE=ShineDog;4887761]So, I posted this story in the tips and tricks section for a reason. It wasn't a report of my exploits, it's merely to share something I did that worked in this case. I see mongers asking how to pull Hooter's or TP girls, or how to score take out at a strip club. The principles are all the same it doesn't matter the profession.

So, swing for the fences and see what happens.[/QUOTE]ShineDog,

You did a nice job articulating your 4-point OOFF approach. It works well when you have time to play the long-game (and I've had much success with it). However, in my travels, I'm in many locations for shorter time frames. So, there is no time to establish Familiarity or Friendship. I do agree that you need to establish rapport, show you are interested in their well-being, and make them feel safe with you (not a threat). With the shorter time-frame, you have to be more direct, though. This may frighten some away. Since you will likely not see them again (unless you hit it off and will return regularly to their city), what's the downside to hearing "no"? Just move on to the next opportunity. Sometimes you can create opportunity through suggestive conversations in ordinary places (in check-out line at a store, hotel desk clerk, etc.). Again, if it doesn't work, you probably won't see them again. Be bold, no fear.

I met Jaye Dee in a store in a southwestern city I was visiting for work years ago. I recognized her from the week before (dancer at a club, but we had no contact). In the store, I asked her about decent places to eat in town. Steered the convo to missing home cooking while traveling for work. Ended up with her accepting my offer to buy the groceries and pay her to cook for me at her place. During dinner, I mentioned clubs I'd visited in other cities across US (after she revealed she was a dancer). Told her it was unfortunate how much of the girls' take went to the club and I had paid some ladies to dance for me privately. That led to three years of overnight visits (6-8 times / yr when working there) for about $200 each time. I supplied dinner / liquor / room (expense account) and we had tons of fun. I have attached a pic of Jaye Dee. You can also find a professional pic of her on the cover of The Best of Cheri #88.

WRD.

As many of you have mentioned, the aspects of rates, GPS, and fair market value rear their head periodically. I used to keep the Rate Guide for USA Adult Classifieds for my own use, but then decided to share it since many of the same questions and themes started surfacing. The latest update was May 2020 with no additional updates as long as The Classifieds site is down as of the time of the post. From the outset, some providers were asking me to remove their rate info. I respectfully responded that the info was for the guys (not meant for them) and that I'd gladly remove their information if they happen to remove their ads.

Notable Stats from the May 2020 Rate Guide, along with narratives, are included below:
[LIST]
[i]Notable Stats _ Half Hour (hhr) rate _ Full Hour (hr) rate (May 2020) [/i]
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Average _ 115.38 _ 171.25 _. , , (the average rate is roughly ,.,., half hour: 120 and full hour: 175) . ,. ,

Low _ 80.00 _ 100.00 _. ,. , , (the lowest rate is 80 for half hour and 100 for full hour) ,. ,

High _ 200.00 _ 250.00 _. ,. , , (the highest rate is 200 for half hour and 250 for full hour) . ,. ,

Mode _ 100.00 _ 200.00 _. ,. , , (the most common rate is 100 for half hour and 200 for full hour) . ,. ,

St. dev. (on sample) _ 29.61 _ 42.13 _. ,. , , (based on the average, expect the rates for half hour to be between 85-145 and full hour to be between 130-215) . ,. ,[/LIST]
[B]A Comparables Approach [/B]

Adapted from other sources, with creative liberties taken: [i] "Comps," or comparable sales, is a term those on either side of a real estate transaction are well-versed in interpreting, but we'll apply it to pu**why. It refers to pu**why located in the same area and very similar in size, condition and features as the pu**why somone is trying to buy or sell.

Buyers look at comps when deciding what price they are willing to pay for pu**why, and sellers use comps to figure out how to best price their pu**why for the market. Mongers look at comps all day long as a way to keep on top of their local market. Each of us employs certain strategies to analyze comps, because all comps aren't created equal, and we weigh certain factors more than others.[/i]

The caveats are a) she's not selling a product with an inelastic demand, b) no barriers to entry into the market exist (since she has a pu**why, she can sell time to play with it), c) the value appreciates up to a point but then depreciates rather quickly (a lot of providers born way back in the 1970's are still trying to command rates above the norm) and d) half of the adult population has a pu**why so the commodity is not scarce. Some consider pu**why like purchasing gasoline at different service stations, but other product differences may exist (e. G. , fuel dyes, corrosion inhibitors, ethanol percentage, etc.) to aid that decision.

With that operationalized definition, traveling providers can stay where they are and bypass this city for all I care. I will not pay their rates for this area, based on comps, if their rates are outside a single standard deviation from the average. However, if their area supports it (for example, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, New York, Miami, or wherever), I will gladly pay market rate when I visit their cities. No need to mention certain providers, it's purely from a comps perspective. If a provider here happens to be in one of those cities when I visit, I'd gladly pay the going rate for that area regardless of what she charges here. I often hear mongers mention "You get what you pay for" when trying to assert that paying more for a particular provider, when it does not align with comps, as justification for the practice. Generally, we get what we tolerate and we don't all pay the same to the same providers any way (as long as it aligns with comps, it shouldn't matter).

[b]Conclusion[/b]: I'll go out on limb and say that [RED]"Based on the Knoxville market and a purely comps perspective, no pu$$y is worth the equivalent of 250 or more per hour. That includes the past, present, and (likely) future .,., for providers who are real or imagined". [/RED] No names or special attributes of the provider are needed, it's all-encompassing, based on comps alone. Tipping well is expected for exceptional service, so there is no place for addressing that here. As always YMMV and I can be a dumbazz at times, so no need to address me as such here because I already know.

Trying to prevent my "yuck" from infringing on what you consider "yummy" ,.

Milfman.

If you choose to mine STG for your mongering opportunities, you need to develop the skill to quickly spot the fakes and scammers. Here is a quick technique that will allow you to skim right past the garbage ads and focus on the real ones (only about 50%.

When you access the STG page for Knoxville, set the option to Female Escorts in the Search settings. Use the Fast Results button to give you a view of a pic (left) and summary info (right) for each ad. See examples in pics below. With this view, there are three major locations to look for signs of fake / scam ads.

First, pictures. Look out for the following red flags. If the lady in the pics looks significantly better than what you have been seeing on STG. If the quality of the pic is high (like it was a photo shoot). If the pic is showing up in multiple cities at the same time. The scammers run the same ads in cities all over the US, so you'll get used to seeing them (until the scammers change pics when their yield drops). Quickly scanning STG pics from a couple other cities will allow you to spot the same pics in Knox STG easily.

Second, title. An easy red flag is an explicit title line. References to BJs, Fucking, female body parts are give-aways.

Third, location. Avoid e-mails and out-of-area phone numbers in this field. Also, avoid generic statements (US, Tennessee, in town, downtown, hotel). The use of incall, Outcall, incall / outcall, your place is a little less clear. You typically want a reference to Knox or specific areas in / around Knox.

With these tips, you can cruise quickly through STG with a confidence you'll be able to miss the fake / scammer ads 90-95% of the time. You'll still find some additional scammer ads in the ones you open either through red flags in the rest of the ad or once you contact the number in the ad. However, the overall time savings is immense.

Hope this is helpful. Most seasoned mongers using STG regularly can spot the bad ads quickly, but the process works well when the ads evolve (new pics, etc). If you are inexperienced using STG, the volume of bad ads can be staggering.