Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Royboy52]Anyone, besides me, visited an asian named Helen?

She advertises at bodyworks.com. She is an attractive chinese gal 25-38 years old. Hard to tell her age. I got a good massage for $70 for one hour. No offers on her part or mine. Tipped $20. Total OTD $90. What did I do wrong? O.K. Admitally, I wasn't really all that horny today so I didn't come on at all. Is this typical for this massager? Are extras on the table? Or not? I would like to know others experience before I repeat.[/QUOTE]They won't offer the menu if you give them money anyways. If we all stuck to our guns we could get better service. If she is just gonna give you a massage then the 70 you are paying is already too much. Reg massage any other place it's about 30-40. Eventually, she'll ask for a tip and then you can see a menu.

Visited yesterday in the AM. Place has parking to the rear. Greeted by Lily at side entrance, 40 or 50 ish korean girl. Not ugly, but not great. I accidently banged up her hand in the narrow hallway. I was closing door to the bathroom when she was closing door to the room on opposite sides of hallway. She wailed and cried. Apparently she had a bruisid already to the exact spot.

Anyway, kind of killed my mood. She came back in a couple of minutes and assured me that she could do massagee. Since she already had my 80 bucks. I let her. Massage was average. She provided he. Tipped 30, but only because I felt bad about hurting her. Will not repeat there.

Still trying to hook up with Teri.

I have not made the Tampa AMP rounds in a long time. Anyone know of any tall Asian girls working at the Tampa, St Pete or Orlando Amps? Not looking for midgets or tiny Vietnamese or Japanese girls. A very tall Asian AMP worker would do nicely.

Also does anyone know if more is available at Kennedy Spa. Back in the day when it was Bangkok Spa, it really lived up to it's name.

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Larrycarn]They won't offer the menu if you give them money anyways. If we all stuck to our guns we could get better service. If she is just gonna give you a massage then the 70 you are paying is already too much. Reg massage any other place it's about 30-40. Eventually, she'll ask for a tip and then you can see a menu.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings. I've never been anywhere in the Tampa Bay area or any other place outside of FL where a visit to an AMP is less than .6 to go in, and that's for just 30 minutes. Insofar as not tipping, it is certainly discretionary. However, you can assure you will never receive any additional service at a particular AMP again if you do not tip if the service for nothing more than a massage is good. The house fee in AMPs goes 100% to the owner. The girls all work for tips only. Regardless of what you may have heard they do not get a cut of the house fee. Additionally, each has to pay a certain amount each week or each month to the house for food and other services such as laundry and a clean up person if they have one. Not tipping or under tipping should be reserved for those individuals who render particularly bad service, whether that service is a massage or something extra. It can also be effective for upsellers but if upselling is a permtted policy in an AMP then there will probably not be much in the future there anyway in the way of satisfactory service.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings. I've never been anywhere in the Tampa Bay area or any other place outside of FL where a visit to an AMP is less than .6 to go in, and that's for just 30 minutes. Insofar as not tipping, it is certainly discretionary. However, you can assure you will never receive any additional service at a particular AMP again if you do not tip if the service for nothing more than a massage is good. The house fee in AMPs goes 100% to the owner. The girls all work for tips only. Regardless of what you may have heard they do not get a cut of the house fee. Additionally, each has to pay a certain amount each week or each month to the house for food and other services such as laundry and a clean up person if they have one. Not tipping or under tipping should be reserved for those individuals who render particularly bad service, whether that service is a massage or something extra. It can also be effective for upsellers but if upselling is a permtted policy in an AMP then there will probably not be much in the future there anyway in the way of satisfactory service.[/QUOTE]I was referring to legit places. If they start feeling the pinch then they have to wonder why. That's when someone can mention they would pay more if things were a little better. If the girl is just that great at giving a massage then by all means tip away. If it's a regular massage, weak table shower where you have to clean yourself then no tip. I paid the high fee for the table shower already, I'm not tipping if they aren't going providing services that warrant it.

[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]I have not made the Tampa AMP rounds in a long time. Anyone know of any tall Asian girls working at the Tampa, St Pete or Orlando Amps? Not looking for midgets or tiny Vietnamese or Japanese girls. A very tall Asian AMP worker would do nicely.

Also does anyone know if more is available at Kennedy Spa. Back in the day when it was Bangkok Spa, it really lived up to it's name.

Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]

MiMi at Serenity was fairly tall compared to most. Decent massage and nice TS, good HE also, and roaming hands. I'll go back for more one of these days.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings. [/QUOTE]

I think that's what he meant - he referenced "reg massage" and suggested that Royboy was throwing money away tipping on a $70 fee after only getting a regular swedish-type massage.

On that subject, I enjoy a nice HE as much as anyone, but as between a great one-hour therapeutic massage and a one-hour crappy massage with the HE, I'll take the regular massage every time. The best of both worlds is hard to find, but when you do, she's a keeper.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 [/QUOTE]

Buddies of Largo or the Maze at Playhouse Theater in Tampa. They will take care of his needs for 30-40. Report back and let us know how you enjoyed it.

Roy,
In case you missed CB's sarcasm, DO NOT GO TO THE PLACES HE MENTIONED. They are for GAYS.

CB et al,
If you're going to give such tongue-in-cheek sarcastic advice, then maybe you should give at least a little warning such as a smiley :). or maybe a "NOT" added at the end. The sarcasm may seem obvious to you but doesn't necessarily come across so clearly in text, at least not always when the reader is totally unfamiliar with the places you referenced. BTW, I'm only guessing at your meaning because my bro, who owns a (legitimate) business in Drew Park, has told me about another Buddies located in that area and about what the place underneath the Playhouse has become when passing by those places.

IM2,
I'm not sure how you misread Larrycarn's post but for the most part I have to go with him on this. You raise a good point that it's not quite fair that the attendant should get nothing at all for her services. So from that perspective a tip is certainly in order for even so-so service. But, from another perspective, how is that really the customer's problem? Also, you said that if a guy does completely stiff a girl who refuses to offer anything beyond a straight massage, he's unlikely to ever get anything more from her when he goes back. Huh? If nothing at all was on the menu the first time, why would anyone even want to go back? With the hope that spending even more money for another overpriced massage session and then some heavy tip on top of that might get the girl to loosen up more? I don't think so. I'd say cut your losses.

Guys go to AMPs rightly or wrongly expecting at least some sort of HE. If it turns out no HE is on the menu at all, then they've already "been taken" even without adding on any tip. If that is the case, they definitely would have been better off just going for a decent massage with a completely legit and professional provider, which normally costs just $30-40, rather than going for what turned out to be most likely at best just a so-so massage and pay a $60-80 door fee to the AMP. Should they "punish" the attendant for that by not giving anything at all for her time and effort (as little as it might have been)? Probably not. The one who should really be punished is the AMP operators themselves for deliberately misleading guys into thinking something extra would be on the menu and for paying their employees so poorly (or really not paying at all). Unfortunately, they've already taken their cut right off the top, so it doesn't really matter much to them and the poor girl winds up holding the short end of the stick (ironically for not holding the short end of the stick).

Whether you decide to show some charity to the attendant or not, the best way to deal with AMP's that don't offer any extra services is to simply never go there again (and to warn other guys about the place here, as Roy did). That way, assuming enough other guys do the same, their business will drop and they'll either be forced to change or go out of business entirely (which is what they really deserve). Unfortunately, I suspect that there will usually be enough other guys like Roy, who do not know enough to do their research ahead of time, that will provide these places a steady enough stream of fresh suckers to stay in business.

First I want to thank CB for his recomendations. When money is tight, I now have a: fall back" position.

And thanks to everyone for their feedback and good info on the tip or not tip discussion.

I am pretty much on board with not tipping if I get bad service. However, I usually tip(habit) for good service. I think I got good service from Helen. She delivered as advertised. Good technique. Soothing music. Quality oils. Attractive. However, she never made an offer or asked for tip. After dressing, I offered the tip. Of course, she accepted it and gave me a light hug.

I did try to search her on the boards. Goggled her phone and address. Only the bodyworks ad came up.

[QUOTE=Luckydman]Looks like it might have potenital when it opens.[/QUOTE]

Alice has yet to show up and open her shop. I'll try it out first chance I get.

I don’t want to get into a spitting match with anyone but I do want to clarify some things. First the title of this part of the forum is massage parlor reports and since it is on the USASexguide site it seemed fair to assume we were all talking about AMPs as opposed to legitimate masseuses. I therefore thought Larrycar was saying that a regular massage in a massage parlor could be had for 30-40, not that a legitmate massage could be had for 30-40. My apologies for misunderstanding that. However, the posts still seem to me as a casual observer to be mixing legitimate masseuse experiences with massage parlors and the door prices for the parlors are pretty well set.
Piratical, Larrycar may have referenced a “reg massage” but considering the place it was posted it would seem reg massage does not automatically refer to a legit masseuse. I do concede that a legitimate masseuse may provide a massage for roughly 40 but the chances of working that legit person into something more is not as likely as a lot of us on here would like to think. For those of us who have been successful in that quest, I can say by my experience I spent a lot more on massages to get to that point than I spent paying one house fee knowing more was available when I walked in.
CB, I’m unfamiliar with Buddies and I thought Playhouse Theater was an adult theater as opposed to a massage parlor. I concede there are a lot of places one can obtain both legit and extracurricular activities but I was under the impression, mistakenly perhaps, that we were talking about MPs. The bulk of MPs in the Bay area are AMPs and that’s what I was basing my comments on. Again, this was because of the location of the post on the site.
Chase Star, maybe we are both missing the point. The thread started out with post number 1562 by Royboy52. It appeared from his post he had made his first time visit to Asian Helen. I would not be the first person on the site to advise a relative newbie seeking advice, as Royboy52 appeared to be doing, that even highly experienced providers can be very careful and hesitant until they get to know you. They do that because they do not want to get into trouble. I don’t blame them. I don’t think I’m the first poster on here who had to make a second visit to get a HE or a third visit to get a full choice menu. Royboy52 was asking what he did wrong and I don’t think he did anything wrong. He just didn’t have provider trust on his first visit. He does not have to return if he doesn’t want to but if he does and finds more available it will be because some trust was developed by the provider.
The bottom line is RoyBoy52 went to a provider expecting a minimum HE. He paid the going rate of an AMP but didn’t get a HE. He clearly stated he was satisfied with the massage, enough to throw in another .2 tip. He then asked if he did anything wrong. I disagree, based on a fair amount of experience, with Larrycarn that “they won’t offer the menu if you give them money anyways.” They may not on that first visit but if the provider likes the hobbyist and the hobbyist likes the provider the chances are (at AMPs) that a second visit will find a little more trust. In the end however, to each their own.
If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.[/QUOTE]




Spot on advice!

[QUOTE=Vitamin P][QUOTE=Irish Male2]If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.[/QUOTE]
Spot on advice![/QUOTE]First of all, I should emphasize that I never said one should necessarily never tip if they only get an overpriced regular massage. In fact, I asked and answered this rhetorical question. "Should they "punish" the attendant for that by not giving anything at all for her time and effort (as little as it might have been)? Probably not. The one who should really be punished is the AMP operators themselves for deliberately misleading guys into thinking something extra would be on the menu and for paying their employees so poorly (or really not paying at all)."

What I did say was that tipping the girl heavily for what is already an overpriced regular massage without a HE (given that real professional massages without a HE from trained and licensed therapists can be had for half the price) because you HOPE that eventually on a future visit you'll be able to get an overpriced HE from her, makes absolutely no sense at all to me. Maybe it does to you guys. Okay, I understand that there are guys like Roy who are really stuck on asian providers and the AMP's are about the only place you can usually find them around here. But the price for a HJ, CBJ or, if you're lucky and willing to pay enough, FS at an AMP is already higher than other local forms of P4P. And that is before factoring in all the rip-offs (or simple straight massages) that guys like Roy wind up going through before they find an AMP attendant that provides them a decent deal or the investment that guys like you are evidently willing to pay for 1-2 or more overpriced regular massages before you get a provider to loosen up enough to provide you that overpriced HE.

My point was not so much about stiffing anybody on any tip as it was that [b]one should not even continue to provide business[/b] to establishments whose girls don't provide HE's at all or only provide HE's at a relatively high price or require you to make several visits paying for overpriced regular massages with no HE before finally allowing you to pay for an overpriced HE. The 1st time you go and get stuck w/o a HE, the modest tip you give to the attendant so that she is not left entirely holding the bag, could just be written off as part of your losses for TOFTT. But if you go keep going back to a place that didn't provide any extras (or any solid indication they ever would), then IMHO you're not just throwing away the tip you'd be expected to give at the end, you're foolishly throwing away the entire cost of the session.

Also, at worst, we weren't even really talking about habitual undertipping as you seem to suggest, but rather the occasional light tip (or for some guys no tip) when they get stuck with just a straight massage mixed in with other encounters there or elsewhere that end with more and they do tip much better. Presumably, not all their encounters, or even most, would end with so little and not deserve a decent tip or else they wouldn't keep going back to such places to try again.
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Any way, I agree about the part that providers share information about guys that walk into the MP with other providers at that MP. However, its not like you have to provide them with your real name and let them snap a picture of you before you walk out, so the shared intel would really only help them point you out to the other providers if you returned shortly to the same AMP. And even if the providers move around a bit between AMPs in the same area and you ran into one you had "stiffed" before at another AMP, how likely is it she'll really remember you out of the 100's of guys who have been in and out of those AMPs in the ensuing months?

I also agree that this would be spot on advice [b]IF[/b] there were solid indications that provider would offer more on future visits or that maybe one of the other providers in the same shop would offer more than what you got from yours. It would also be spot on advice [b]IF[/b] we were talking about a newbie doing this regularly at the same shop on multiple visits within a short time frame of each other, rather than a first-and-only-time visitor who has decided to cut his losses and never return to that particular shop. However, I'd also imagine there are many times where you walk into an unknown AMP ready to TOFTT (like Roy was doing here) and get the sense that this just ain't the place where any of the girls are ever going to offer very much beyond a very over-priced HJ if even that (or where their selection of women is so poor, that you really wouldn't be interested in it even if they did). In that case, you have no real intention of ever returning to that shop, or at least not any time soon, and it really doesn't matter all that much what your reputation from that one-time encounter is like at that one little shop.

[QUOTE=Chase Star]First of all, I should emphasize that I never said one should necessarily never tip if they only get an overpriced regular massage.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. You did not say that. Larrycarn did, as is his right. My comments were intended, whether well written or not, to suggest for a newbie seeking advice here that not tipping for satisfactory service is not the best advice. It was not intended in any way a commentary about, against, or for tipping. It was about trying to help out a newbie asking what he did wrong. I do not think he did anything wrong, including the .2 tip. Based solely on his post, I would invest in a second visit IF he thinks it's worth it and IF he likes the individual who gave him the massage.