Why the higher rates you think?
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5865639]I have finished my Detroit engagement running for the past 9 months where I made 24 trips to the motor city. During those 24 trips I treated myself to 37 VIP sessions. I would often visit the VIP 2 times on the same night and one night I even went 3 times.
20 nights I went to BTs, 11 nights I went to Criket, and 3 nights I went to Dreamgirls. I typically started at BTs and if I couldn't find something I liked then changed to another club. I also followed dancers I enjoyed as they moved from club to club.
My approach looks & attitude:
I evaluate the girls on looks first and then attitude. My preference if for young thin fit spinners, with small firm perky tits, firm flat stomach, and minimal or no tattoos, piercings and make up. I watch the girls dance on stage, and I will tip $1 to a good looking girl and invite her sit and talk to me. While we are talking, I assess her attitude. I expect her to pay attention to me and not her cell phone. If we have good natural chemistry, she is friendly, in a good mood, and shares some information about herself, then I will agree to negotiate a VIP session.
I know looks are subjective and standards of beauty are different for each guy. There are plenty of older, curvier, heavier, big breasted girls, heavily tattooed, pierced and girls wearing significant amounts of make up for those of you who like that.
Over 24 visits I spent time with 13 girls who passed both the looks and the attitude test. As always YMMV.
8 girls I enjoyed, I want to repeat, I suggest others try them and are likely to be happy with them.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Zoe at BTs.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
- Naomi at BTs.
- Celeste at BTs (she also dances at Pantheon).
- Raven at BTs.
3 girls provided adequate sessions, I might repeat depending on who else is dancing, but prefer to try a new girl.
- Tinsley at BTs.
- Shay at Criket others have complained about her, but I enjoyed my session with her.
- Serena at BTs.
2 girls I did not enjoy, I do not plan to repeat.
- Nyra at BTs.
- Princess at BTs others have had good sessions with her, but she was my worst VIP on this trip.
Repeat girls: 37 sessions with 13 girls meant I repeated with same girls for 24 of the sessions.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
New girls: 11 of the 13 girls had not seen prior to this trip.
Girls I had previously tried:
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Tinsley at BTs Although when I tried her before she was dancing at Criket.
Negotiations: I always request no song count and to go to the VIP after she finishes her stage set. My maximum price is $200 and I succeed in negotiating lower than that numerous times. For complete transparency, regardless of negotiated price I do offer the girls a $20 - $40 tip if they exceed my expectation and succeed in making me happy during the VIP. My expectations are extremely high and it is difficult for the girls to exceed them but there were 8 times out of the 37 sessions the girls earned my tip. Also, for girls who I repeated with and enjoyed their company, if they would sit with me in the main room, I would buy them drinks or food. So, my total spend on the girl could be as high as $250 if I bought her a drink and she earned a tip.
Looks Only:
In addition to the 13 girls I sampled there were 27 other girls that I rated as 7 or higher and got a boner watching them dance. I did not sample for the following reasons.
Note there are two girls named Chloe. 1 who started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Note there are two girls name Athena. 1 wo started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Crazy high prices:
This year was different than in past years. Previously almost every girl was happy with $200 and this year many girls insisted on more money which ended up being a lose lose proposition, because instead of getting $200 I gave them nothing, and instead of me enjoying their feminine charms I sat by myself. This is another reason I did so many repeat sessions as once I found a girl I liked at a reasonable price point, I continued to see her over and over again. This worked well for both myself and the girl.
If you can get any of these 5 girls at a reasonable price, they could be a good VIP. If they insist on high prices, I encourage you to do what I did say no thanks, if you want $200 you know where to find me. At their current offers I suggest others avoid them.
- Natalia at BTs - $1000.
- Rain at BTs - $500.
- Anna at BTs - $500.
- Athena from 2021 - $500.
- Zoe at BTs I did one session with her at a reasonable price on her first night working, then she told me future sessions would be $500, so I didn't take her again.
Demanded payment upfront:
I have never had paying in advance work out well. I do think it is fair to show the girl you have the money so she is not being cheated, but then it goes back in my pocket until I am happy. These girls are helping you avoid bad sessions with them by insisting on payment up front, they will at best be mechanical, and at worst grab your money and walk out leaving you unhappy. I suggest other avoid them.
- Chloe from 2020 at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Leela at Criket.
- Lola / Jade at BTs.
- Winter at BTs.
Refused to take my dollar:
I never experienced this behavior before this trip. Normally the girls are friendly and appreciative when being tipped at the stage. I don't think it hurts the girl to be polite when a guy decides to tip them. I have often observed when one guy tips a girl that prompts other guys to also tip her. I had 5 girls who refused my tip or complained that $1 was too small of a tip. While this behavior by the girls is rude, I know they are showing me insight into how they would behave in the VIP and their bad conduct has prevented me from taking them for a poor VIP session. I suggest others avoid them.
- Anna at BTs.
- India at BTs.
- Athena from 2020 at BTs.
- Thai at BTs.
- Honey at BTs.
Attitude problems:
All these girls are hot looking, and they pass my first criteria of being a 7 or higher and giving me a boner. But I have learned I can avoid many unsatisfying VIP sessions by having a little chat and assessing her attitude. If she has a bad attitude in the main room, it doesn't matter how good she looks her VIP will likely be disappointing. I spend a lot of money to go to the VIP, and I don't want a disappointing one. Sometimes 2 people just don't click with each other. Or the girl might be having a bad night. So if you get her on a good night or you have good chemistry then these girls might be good choices for you. I passed on VIP with them based on their attitude while talking to me.
- Chloe form 2021 at Criket and BTs.
- Peaches at BTs.
- Summer at BTs.
- Lyric at Criket.
- Jamie at BTs, although she said she usually dances at Landing Strip.
- Abby at BTs.
- Morgan at BTs.
Refused to come and talk with me:
I never got to assess these girls attitudes as they avoided me, despite being tipped multiple times. Perhaps they knew something about me, or didn't like my looks. These girls could be good choices if they are willing to come sit with you. This is a very high number of girls that refused to sit with me, normally the girls are happy to join you. Perhaps they are friends with a girl who had a bad attitude and I already declined. Regardless I would have liked the chance to talk with them, and decide if I should go to the VIP, but I did not get that chance.
- Ari at BTs.
- Candy at BTs.
- Mia at BTs she was always busy, I only saw her a couple of times, she was at least nice during stage tips.
- Rosie at BTs.
- River at BTs she did join me on my last night but I already negotiated a VIP with another girl.
- Miley at BTs I only saw her once, and she left club shortly after I saw her.
- Ewe at Dreamgirls.
MM.[/QUOTE]Why the GPS and higher rates you think at BT's?
My 2 cents on where the strippers went
[QUOTE=Passenger;5873931]+1 and then some.
I'm not sure where all of the dancers have gone, but I know of more than a handful who have developed lucrative careers; some are in corporate, some started their own businesses, some are in manufacturing, some are in health care. A lot of guys on this site are just plain cynical; their belief is that women who are sex workers will never be more than sex workers. Generally cynics are pretty shallow thinkers, that's why they are cynical.
What so many guys here can't seem to grasp is that many dancers used to be in the string of 8 Mile clubs left when the curtains came down, figuratively and literally. If they were still interested in dancing, they would have migrated to Dearborn, Inkster, Romulus and Lincoln Park. The clubs there should be overflowing. Bear in mind that the dancer shortage preceded the pandemic by at least two years when the Detroit ordinance changed.
So, folks claiming that it was pandemic stimulus that changed things, that theory holds less water than the former dancers' g-strings hold dollar bills.
.[/QUOTE]Of the strippers I have known who left the game: 2 got married to men who support them, 2 beat their addictions, 1 started her own business, 1'will still meet outside but does not dance. And 1 still struggles and works on occasion but is trying to make it with her regulars outside. I'm sure the pandemic had a big effect on many of them by providing a push to change and find other ways to survive other than dealing with tip outs and sucking off managers.
Forget about that part sometimes
[QUOTE=RayRaynor;5873951]Of the strippers I have known who left the game: 2 got married to men who support them, 2 beat their addictions, 1 started her own business, 1'will still meet outside but does not dance. And 1 still struggles and works on occasion but is trying to make it with her regulars outside. I'm sure the pandemic had a big effect on many of them by providing a push to change and find other ways to survive other than dealing with tip outs and sucking off managers.[/QUOTE]Sucking off managers, bouncers, etc for no pay. Some managers aren't too bad, others are complete dicks. No strip club is going to make a list of best place to work. It's not always about the money. Some of my better-paying jobs were intolerable because of bosses. You don't quit a job / company, you quit a person.
Hell, look at food service. Many found better jobs in other industries; the pandemic definitely impacted that. Better pay, better jobs.