Yo, what app is this?? I need this in my life LOL.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6043367]I use an app that's disguised as a fully functioning calculator. You enter a password and it unlocks my secret photo vault. All the files are encrypted.[/QUOTE]
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Yo, what app is this?? I need this in my life LOL.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6043367]I use an app that's disguised as a fully functioning calculator. You enter a password and it unlocks my secret photo vault. All the files are encrypted.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DeeeezNutss;6043403]Yo, what app is this?? I need this in my life LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL it's called "Calculator# Hide Photos Videos" on the Apple App Store. I have it on my phone and my iPad. Dude it's fucking awesome! You can hide photos, video, notes. There's also a setting to add extra security where when someone else open the app a window pops up that says "Error Occurred. App not Working" or something like that. If they click okay it exits the app. But if you tap twice outside the pop up and then tap okay it opens the calculator. You then have to still enter your secret 4 digit pin to get in. The app automatically locks every time you swipe out of it. Also when you import video / pictures in it, it automatically asks you after the import if you want to delete it from your camera roll. You still got to empty your deleted items folder though so don't forget to do that.
DeadAzz, you're a trip LOL. I'm going to go the opposite direction and tell you to keep going. You only live once. You know Eva and Amanda at 108 are leaving soon right? You can't let them leave without paying them a visit. The very horny and sexy Teresa is also only here until mid August. She's another must see. Don't forget to report back to us haha.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6043364]Got to wait at least two weeks before I can get tested and unless she gets her period it's going to be hard to refuse sex with her without her thinking something is up.[/QUOTE]Tell her you're not feeling well and you tested positive for COVID. Say you need to isolate for 10 days and play it up that you don't feel well. Stay on the couch and away from her. Then go get tested next week. I believe symptoms from gonorea and chlamydia, the most common STDS, start showing up within 5 days usually (I'm not an expert so double check that). But chances are you're fine so try not to freak out. Just try to be more careful.
Mr MuffMan.
Many Mongers shared good advice concerning your situation.
You definitely need to slow down and I would recommend that you stop collecting evidence too.
Don't keep ANY pictures or vids on your phone, don't keep any numbers, or notes. They are just evidence waiting to be found.
I wouldn't conduct any hobby business outside 8-5 weekdays. Doing it at home around her as you learned is dangerous.
Don't have any bare sex if you fuck your partner bare. What other mongers do is their thing.
You're way to excited about this hobby and you're getting careless and even reckless.
Your most important tool to doing this hobby while having an important partner in your life is her trust. If you have her trust you have a whole lot of freedom. Loose her trust and suddenly she'll be come a stalker watching and suspecting your every move. Or worse.
Should she even start suspecting you, things will change.
When they trust you they don’t think about what you’re doing, when they don’t trust they ONLY think about what you are doing.
Trust lost can never be fully regained.
I didn't see anyone touch on this but is she one day going to ask you where all that money went?
And lastly, make sure you keep fucking your partner like you always have. If your sex life changes at home, women notice and immediately start suspecting that something is up. They think if you dont get it from them youre getting it somewhere else.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6043530]LOL it's called "Calculator# Hide Photos Videos" on the Apple App Store. I have it on my phone and my iPad. Dude it's fucking awesome! You can hide photos, video, notes. There's also a setting to add extra security where when someone else open the app a window pops up that says "Error Occurred. App not Working" or something like that. If they click okay it exits the app. But if you tap twice outside the pop up and then tap okay it opens the calculator. You then have to still enter your secret 4 digit pin to get in. The app automatically locks every time you swipe out of it. Also when you import video / pictures in it, it automatically asks you after the import if you want to delete it from your camera roll. You still got to empty your deleted items folder though so don't forget to do that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6044097]Many Mongers shared good advice concerning your situation.
You definitely need to slow down and I would recommend that you stop collecting evidence too.
Don't keep ANY pictures or vids on your phone, don't keep any numbers, or notes. They are just evidence waiting to be found.
I wouldn't conduct any hobby business outside 8-5 weekdays. Doing it at home around her as you learned is dangerous.
Don't have any bare sex if you fuck your partner bare. What other mongers do is their thing.
You're way to excited about this hobby and you're getting careless and even reckless.
Your most important tool to doing this hobby while having an important partner in your life is her trust. If you have her trust you have a whole lot of freedom. Loose her trust and suddenly she'll be come a stalker watching and suspecting your every move. Or worse.
Should she even start suspecting you, things will change..[/QUOTE]Thank you. Yeah this is a lot of stuff that I definitely needed to hear. July was the craziest and reckless month I've had. I was honestly planning to slow down in July. Dead ass. Then I found this forum and excitement about this hobby increased exponentially. It was so awesome to finally have other people to talk about this with. Community has always been what got me excitedly obsessed about every hobby I've gotten into. Getting all this advice from everyone is really helping me come back down. Definitely going to take a little break in August to recuperate and come back into this a little more responsibly.
On the money subject, as of right now I have a day job and multiple side hustle businesses that are fairly profitable. Day job is our main account that my wife has a lot of oversight on. My business accounts are only accessed by me. Right now I'm good. But if I keep going the rate I'm going it won't be good for business and eventually it could end up on her radar. All the more reason why I need to slow down / stop now. Also no bareback any more from here on out. Luckily, she started her period yesterday, so I got at least a week or so. I'm getting tested this week. Nothing's changed with her. I know how she is when she suspects things and loses trust. She's also a busy person herself who doesn't just sit around at home. I'm 90% sure I'm in the clear. But still going to be extra cautious.
So once again you guys. I greatly appreciate the advice. Exactly what I and--low key--probably others on here to hear.
I suppose my concerns about falling in love with a provider were as much a caution to myself as to everyone else.
Yes, it is happening, my ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider has told me she's moving back to China!
Apparently she's admitting there is no future with any of her clients, including me, the business, or her life in SD. For years she's grown to be a blend of provider, mistress, friend, and Masseuse. Because of this amazing combination I've grown very close and quite attached to her. Once we connected she never denied me anything I asked for from her.
She's been amazingly fun, and I'm going to miss her physical beauty, sexual talents, and her attractive personality. She's one of the rare types I connected with the first time I met her. She's the only provider I gave my number to after our first massage session, and I was happy to see her first text to me by the time I got to the car. Being involved with her was as easy as falling down.
Over time I broke the cardinal rule. I grew attached. In fact, I've grown very attached. Okay, it may or may not be love, but feels damn close. I'm not talking puppy love, or being fuck struck. We have been involved for a long time, and it grew from a massage with a happy ending to anything goes. She wasn't the first, or last, Massage Girl I allured up to FS, but she's definitely my ATF. I literally got everything from her I wanted when I wanted it. And I felt she enjoyed it all as much as I did. She is a lucky find. She for me is one of those magic unicorns we speak of in this hobby. You guys who have had a long term unicorn know exactly what I'm talking about.
She's been a fun secret, and the main reason I Hobby moderately.
She is both a blessing and curse, and you only feel this way when you know you've grown too close. Her charms and talents are so captivating, I actually avoided her over periods of time knowing two things. One that I really liked her, and two, that one day one of us would break it off and I knew deep down it would not be me.
I had a warning sign I was too close once before when she mentioned moving away, and I recall how much it bothered me. Since then I knew the day would come when she would leave, and very likely leave forever. I didn't like that feeling, but I just couldn't resist her and kept up the fun figuring I should enjoy it as much as I can before the inevitable day.
The reality is that she is smart and beautiful, and knows as a provider there is no real future with clients beyond business. Sure some Mongers date girls out of the Spa, but it's rare for a provider and client to become a true couple. They know you're not going to make them your official girlfriend and hang out with them with your friends. They know they'll never meet your family, move in with you, and it's very unlikely a client will marry them and raise a family together. Sure all those things can happen, but not very often. The women in this business know they are forever the hired help. This is one reason the girls rotate between spas, change their names, and sometimes leave altogether. Knowing that clients come and go is why they keep clients at arm's length, and avoid getting emotionally involved. It is wise for clients to take the same approach.
Now that I have fair warning to her departure you can guess I'm selfishly spending as much fun time with her as I realistically can. This of course is to enjoy all her charms before she leaves, but I want to give her extra relocation funds that I know she'll appreciate.
There is some potential joy in the future after she leaves. She has told me I can come visit her, or that if I'm ever in China, I can come see her. Makes me feel good she wants to stay in touch, and makes me feel really good she would like to see me again.
Whether I seen her again someday or never again, I'll always appreciate her and wish her health, happiness, and wealth.
I know you experienced Hobbyists know exactly what I'm talking about. A unicorn will mess with your head and your heart but you'll always be happy you found them.
If you got this far in this post, thanks for reading this sentimental saga. There is a lesson in there somewhere. Oh yea, don't fall in love with a provider.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6047146]I suppose my concerns about falling in love with a provider were as much a caution to myself as to everyone else.
Yes, it is happening, my ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider has told me she's moving back to China!
Apparently she's admitting there is no future with any of her clients, including me, the business, or her life in SD. For years she's grown to be a blend of provider, mistress, friend, and Masseuse. Because of this amazing combination I've grown very close and quite attached to her. Once we connected she never denied me anything I asked for from her.
She's been amazingly fun, and I'm going to miss her physical beauty, sexual talents, and her attractive personality. She's one of the rare types I connected with the first time I met her. She's the only provider I gave my number to after our first massage session, and I was happy to see her first text to me by the time I got to the car. Being involved with her was as easy as falling down.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this. It's really sad to me, as I also have grown attached to one provider. I've known her for almost 4 years, since she's lived here in San Diego. I was one of her first regular clients. She knows my situation, and can only hope for more.
Get a WeChat account so you can keep in contact with her. It's actually a decent chat program, but you need someone with an account to verify you. She can. I've used it for about 6+ years.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6044633]On the money subject, as of right now I have a day job and multiple side hustle businesses that are fairly profitable. Day job is our main account that my wife has a lot of oversight on. My business accounts are only accessed by me. Right now I'm good. But if I keep going the rate I'm going it won't be good for business and eventually it could end up on her radar. All the more reason why I need to slow down / stop now. Also no bareback any more from here on out. Luckily, she started her period yesterday, so I got at least a week or so. I'm getting tested this week. Nothing's changed with her. I know how she is when she suspects things and loses trust. She's also a busy person herself who doesn't just sit around at home. I'm 90% sure I'm in the clear. But still going to be extra cautious.
So once again you guys. I greatly appreciate the advice. Exactly what I and--low key--probably others on here to hear.[/QUOTE]If you do break w / her, her attorney will get a forensic accountant to go through the books of your business, and your activities will be exposed, which will make you weaker in the settlement. I generate cash from gambling that my SO can't really trace. Ii would be very very difficult for me to be caught on that aspect. Do not collect evidence on yourself. Keep it in the cloud, in email accounts, etc. Always be prepared to hand your phone and your computer to your So and let her browse it to her heart's content.
Laying low for weeks at least or months is appropriate considering how irresponsible you have been.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6047146]I suppose my concerns about falling in love with a provider were as much a caution to myself as to everyone else.
If you got this far in this post, thanks for reading this sentimental saga. There is a lesson in there somewhere. Oh yea, don't fall in love with a provider.[/QUOTE]Did you tell her you care for her? That you love her? If not, you might want to. I wouldn't wait. This happens more frequently than you'd expect. It's not necessarily wrong to fall in love with your provider; it's just not well advised for obvious reasons, but love is love and there's nothing you can do about it. Good luck.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6047146]I suppose my concerns about falling in love with a provider were as much a caution to myself as to everyone else.
Yes, it is happening, my ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider has told me she's moving back to China!
Apparently she's admitting there is no future with any of her clients, including me, the business, or her life in SD. For years she's grown to be a blend of provider, mistress, friend, and Masseuse. Because of this amazing combination I've grown very close and quite attached to her. Once we connected she never denied me anything I asked for from her.
She's been amazingly fun, and I'm going to miss her physical beauty, sexual talents, and her attractive personality. She's one of the rare types I connected with the first time I met her. She's the only provider I gave my number to after our first massage session, and I was happy to see her first text to me by the time I got to the car. Being involved with her was as easy as falling down.
Over time I broke the cardinal rule. I grew attached. In fact, I've grown very attached. Okay, it may or may not be love, but feels damn close. I'm not talking puppy love, or being fuck struck. We have been involved for a long time, and it grew from a massage with a happy ending to anything goes. She wasn't the first, or last, Massage Girl I allured up to FS, but she's definitely my ATF. I literally got everything from her I wanted when I wanted it. And I felt she enjoyed it all as much as I did. She is a lucky find. She for me is one of those magic unicorns we speak of in this hobby. You guys who have had a long term unicorn know exactly what I'm talking about.
She's been a fun secret, and the main reason I Hobby moderately.
She is both a blessing and curse, and you only feel this way when you know you've grown too close. Her charms and talents are so captivating, I actually avoided her over periods of time knowing two things. One that I really liked her, and two, that one day one of us would break it off and I knew deep down it would not be me.
I had a warning sign I was too close once before when she mentioned moving away, and I recall how much it bothered me. Since then I knew the day would come when she would leave, and very likely leave forever. I didn't like that feeling, but I just couldn't resist her and kept up the fun figuring I should enjoy it as much as I can before the inevitable day.
The reality is that she is smart and beautiful, and knows as a provider there is no real future with clients beyond business. Sure some Mongers date girls out of the Spa, but it's rare for a provider and client to become a true couple. They know you're not going to make them your official girlfriend and hang out with them with your friends. They know they'll never meet your family, move in with you, and it's very unlikely a client will marry them and raise a family together. Sure all those things can happen, but not very often. The women in this business know they are forever the hired help. This is one reason the girls rotate between spas, change their names, and sometimes leave altogether. Knowing that clients come and go is why they keep clients at arm's length, and avoid getting emotionally involved. It is wise for clients to take the same approach.
Now that I have fair warning to her departure you can guess I'm selfishly spending as much fun time with her as I realistically can. This of course is to enjoy all her charms before she leaves, but I want to give her extra relocation funds that I know she'll appreciate.
There is some potential joy in the future after she leaves. She has told me I can come visit her, or that if I'm ever in China, I can come see her. Makes me feel good she wants to stay in touch, and makes me feel really good she would like to see me again.
Whether I seen her again someday or never again, I'll always appreciate her and wish her health, happiness, and wealth.
I know you experienced Hobbyists know exactly what I'm talking about. A unicorn will mess with your head and your heart but you'll always be happy you found them.
If you got this far in this post, thanks for reading this sentimental saga. There is a lesson in there somewhere. Oh yea, don't fall in love with a provider.[/QUOTE]It's cliche but don't be sad that it's over, celebrate that it happened. And like a previous monger said, if you haven't said how you feel (and you're not like, in a serious committed relationship with someone else LOL), couldn't hurt to let her know. Sorry you're hurting bro. The women in our lives, coming and going like seasons, chapters in a book.
Thank you Waylay, Magnum44, and Dragon Born 69, I appreciate your kind words and worldly advice. I always follow good suggestions from wise men.
It's obvious you are all true gentleman and a positive influence to our hobby.
This Chinese Valentine's Day, will be special. Be sure to remember your special Unicorn on August 4th too.
Thanks again, Max.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6047146]I suppose my concerns about falling in love with a provider were as much a caution to myself as to everyone else.
Yes, it is happening, my ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider has told me she's moving back to China!
Over time I broke the cardinal rule. I grew attached. In fact, I've grown very attached. . .[/QUOTE]I could tell you had a special working girl by the empathy I recognized in many of your posts. Been there done that many years ago and why I unapologetically support most working girls and the spas they work at.
For what it's worth, I'm sure you'll find another. Some of these ladies have a strong intuition for guys like us and the ones that don't, their loss. Now my problem is the girls that get too attached. I'm very honest and tell them I can't give them what they want. Some no longer give me full access or anything sex related and some continue as FWB's or some hope they'll eventually sway me. Either way we remain friends for life and there's always the benefit of growing my network. Most of my favorites are referrals from other girls.
Sorry for your loss, but I did and do have fun looking for my next ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider. Good luck brother!
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6043301] Like yesterday when I had a girl let me go Greek, no condom, just told me to go in. When it's in front of you like that it's hard to resist. Especially when the culture on here encourages bare and Greek service being something that is highly sought after by mongers.[/QUOTE]I think the overall culture on this site is to promote fun and share experiences / fantasies; certainly does not encourage bare and Greek although there is a small niche throughout the forum that cater to that. End of the day, if you have a SO, it's your responsibility to stay safe. It will keep your mind clear and future experiences more pleasurable and that is always worth it. Something I do very frequently is take a month or 2 off at a time; it makes everything so much better when I do get lucky enough to hang out with a provider. I know that's a long time for a lot of people on here but I think it's safe to say it is a good way of staying in the clear. Wishing you good luck.
DD.
[QUOTE=DavDerk;6052683]I think the overall culture on this site is to promote fun and share experiences / fantasies; certainly does not encourage bare and Greek although there is a small niche throughout the forum that cater to that. End of the day, if you have a SO, it's your responsibility to stay safe. It will keep your mind clear and future experiences more pleasurable and that is always worth it. Something I do very frequently is take a month or 2 off at a time; it makes everything so much better when I do get lucky enough to hang out with a provider. I know that's a long time for a lot of people on here but I think it's safe to say it is a good way of staying in the clear. Wishing you good luck.[/QUOTE]Damn I really need to do that. Take a month or two off at a time. I had planned to do that this month. 3 days into August and I'd already been with 6 different providers (2 of the encounters were threeways). Yesterday I almost went over 30 min during a hhr visit but luckily I was able to finish right at the 30 min mark. We were going at it hard too. I'm still trying to recover LOL. But for real I definitely need to clear my head and get back to sex feeling so good that I'm desperately trying not to nut after a few minutes of CBJ. Also I'm done with doing any thing bare. Went to get tested today so hopefully everything is clear. Not showing any worrying signs right now at least. But for the test it cost me $249. So that $100 BBGREEK service I got ended up costing me over $350!
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6048709]Thank you Waylay, Magnum44, and Dragon Born 69, I appreciate your kind words and worldly advice. I always follow good suggestions from wise men.
It's obvious you are all true gentleman and a positive influence to our hobby.
This Chinese Valentine's Day, will be special. Be sure to remember your special Unicorn on August 4th too.
Thanks again, Max.[/QUOTE]What a coincidence that's what I'm going thru now with a provider in NY, I broke the cardinal rule and mentioned my real name and number. She finally gave me her ig even thou she didn't follow me back or seen my message to respond back. It's addictive tease or the fact she is scared to ruin relationship with her agency madam. She did reveal a good amount and broke her cardinal rule as well, but it hurts that It might not go anywhere. It's more than sex when you find someone you are so intune to have long conversations that we both don't even watch the clock but the madam occasionally will say we passed 10-20 min over. For me it's either I keep going to see how much she keeps opening up to me or just fullfill sexual fantasies that I know I might not be able to do with other providers unless I see them more than few times, but I guess when you fall in love that's what kills you with depression and all. Even if the person might be thinking of me it gets tiresome to keep pushing to win her heart fully.
I apologize for the disorganized free flow thoughts, but yea might think of just vanilla or sugar relationships but regular providers going to be tough to have long term relations.
Ryan, thank you for your comment and sage advice. I appreciate your posts.
The Veteran Hobbyists know a Unicorn that filled their head and heart and may even be enjoying one now as I write. The new guys should know that if they hobby long enough, one day it will happen to them too, and they should realize that it will only last so long.
Good luck with your search! MAX.
[QUOTE=Ryan1979;6052049]
Sorry for your loss, but I did and do have fun looking for my next ATF, GFE, GF3, DFK, DATY, PSE, CIM, CIP, NSA, LTR, UTR-FS provider. Good luck brother![/QUOTE]
Hi all,
I'll be visiting San Diego soon for 10 days. Never been before, and don't have further plans to visit. Should I check out the AMPs, incall / outcall, or day-trip to TJ? I could make time for a couple days off.
From what I'm reading here, it sounds like the AMPs are pretty great in this area?
TJ would be a solo trip, which also means I might prefer to make it daytime-only. If that matters.
Any advice welcome, and I'll report back after, thanks!
My Unicorn was a provider with the long time defunct group known as the "North Park Girls". I still chat with her, although she is long retired, married, working a civilian job and raising a kid. But it is nice to check in from time to time.
I've got a new one, but not as special as the one from a long time ago.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6054612]Ryan, thank you for your comment and sage advice. I appreciate your posts.
The Veteran Hobbyists know a Unicorn that filled their head and heart and may even be enjoying one now as I write. The new guys should know that if they hobby long enough, one day it will happen to them too, and they should realize that it will only last so long.
Good luck with your search! MAX.[/QUOTE]
Check out my report on Kelly back in January. You can go to both an AMP and Tijuana all in one day.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=MyNameNumber;6054883]Hi all,
I'll be visiting San Diego soon for 10 days. Never been before, and don't have further plans to visit. Should I check out the AMPs, incall / outcall, or day-trip to TJ? I could make time for a couple days off.
From what I'm reading here, it sounds like the AMPs are pretty great in this area?
TJ would be a solo trip, which also means I might prefer to make it daytime-only. If that matters.
Any advice welcome, and I'll report back after, thanks![/QUOTE]
Any guesses as to which stores?
[URL]https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-san-diego-police-vice-detective-3-others-charged-in-illicit-massage-scheme/3022508/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-san-diego-police-vice-detective-3-others-charged-in-illicit-massage-scheme/3022508/?amp=1[/URL]
Lois is not going to be happy about this.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6068292][URL]https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-san-diego-police-vice-detective-3-others-charged-in-illicit-massage-scheme/3022508/?amp=1[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CuriousJo8;6068832]Lois is not going to be happy about this.[/QUOTE]He's just applying what he learned on the job.
Do you know any shops run by PPS's? I am genuinely curious of Family Guy's and his colleagues' recruiting skills. Looking at their ages, I am guessing they would recruit ladies in the older category.
Since the indictment is still partially under seal, your guess is as good as mine.
There are a lot of shops that are never mentioned in this forum. Could be one of those. The interesting part was that there were 5 shops under scrutiny in both California and Arizona. It doesn't explicitly say that any of these shops were in San Diego proper. For all we know, one shop could be in California but not in San Diego, while the other four are in Arizona.
I know some ladies who have worked in Arizona and I am under the impression that those shops are locally owned and operated. So to have an interstate operation that would garner a federal indictment is impressive.
To answer your query, until more information from the indictment is released, your guess is as good as mine.
[QUOTE=NutterHoeMan;6068198]Any guesses as to which stores?
[URL]https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/former-san-diego-police-vice-detective-3-others-charged-in-illicit-massage-scheme/3022508/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hiding money is something you can do or not. Having unaccounted for money is available for you or it isn't. But time. We can all adjust time to our favor.
One way to circumnavigate the need to explain time is to have your actions open and known.
I made getting a massage a regular thing. Have it out in the open. Let your significant other know you get massages for your neck, back, or whatever, just not for your balls.
In the beginning go to legitimate places she can know about, maybe even go with her a time or two. Yes, it will cost, and you'll have to endure a real massage with no release a few times, but make this investment at the start and live with less fear of being caught from then on. When she is comfortable to the idea you get regular massages that are completely innocent you can adjust the places you go to where the real fun is.
This way if you are ever spotted, near, or entering or leaving a massage spa she won't be all freaked out. And if it is a questionable place and you are questioned about it, you can say you tried it and didn't like it, or was just checking it out.
This can also help with the money issue if you put it on a credit card, or dip too far into the budget. She can know you got a massage and that is where the money went. I would also make getting a massage a monthly thing so she will even expect it. If you have a good excuse like an injury or pain, or are an athlete, and can afford more great. Good on ya. You can even tell her it is cheaper than a Chiropractor (although this is a stretch of the truth).
Other ways to hide time.
Going to a bar with friends is easy. And you get to stop by a bar for a beer after the massage to sweeten the pot so you have beer breath when you get home. In the past I would tell girlfriends I was scouting out new micro brewery's, which always provided an hour or two.
The gym is good but always the danger of her stopping by for what every reason. But the gym is good because you won't have your phone on you, and you can shower and show up at home clean.
My easy favorite time block was a motorcycle ride. I enjoy exploring on the bike, and don't need a destination. Then I either say I went to a place or say I just rode down the coast or where ever. I also can't answer the phone on the bike and make it clear I ride to relax and don't intend to monitor the phone. I'll check it when I feel like it. Easy to hide 2 hours.
The overtime at work is a good one if she is use to you working overtime now and then. If you normally don't work overtime, start setting this one up too. Stay late a few times, so when you do have to stay late it will seem normal to her. Easy to hide an hour or especially a half hour if that is to your liking. Just watch out she doesn't call to ask what you want for dinner, or when do you plan to be home. Innocent questions are sneaky ways women check up on us.
I don't know how you handle your phone, but I don't live with mine under my nose, and I don't monitor it except during the important business hours when I'm working. Don't get in the habit of answering or responding to her calls instantly. Start leaving it in the car, the saddle bags on the bike, or even in the office when you leave the office for short activities like shopping or lunch. Watch out using the phone battery was dead excuse. That only works so long. So does phone was on silent, unless there are legitimate times she knows your phone is supposed to be on silent.
My job requires times the phone must be silent, so if I get a call or a text, and she has to wait till I respond that is just a normal thing. Easy to hide an hour even in the middle of the day. If you are already on a technology leash where she calls or texts and you instantly respond you'll have to break that leash gradually. Learn to make her wait for a reply. But watch out, women will be annoyed about you suddenly not responding quickly like you have in the past.
I don't take my phone into spas. I don't use a translation app, and I don't need to make any calls. But when I get to the car, I do check the phone right away. And interestingly I often enough got a call from my SO at the magic time I was with a provider. Never underestimate female intuition. And since I set it up already I could tell them I was getting a massage or give any answer I wanted. And usually they called for silly stuff, like dinner ideas, or could I pick up whatever on the way home. Never has it been anything important, but if you're not prepared to explain the time you were away from your phone it could cause problems.
If you come out of a spa and see she called, or sent a text, I'd respond before she calls or sends another text. You responding to her is better than her feeling you are not responding and needs to hunt you down. That is unless you already set up long communication blackout periods she is use to. Plan ahead and you may never fall behind.
I still say just set it up so she knows you get massages then you won't have to find the time to have fun, you still might have to carefully manage the money though.
Just some thoughts to help the new guys to the hobby that crossed my mind driving today. I hope somebody finds them useful, if you don't thank you for reading them anyway.
Need to have time away from your SO? Pick up Golf.
18 Holes, 4 hours of freedom.
9 holes, 2 hours of freedom.
And on links you turn your phone off. Perfect black out time!
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6073819]Hiding money is something you can do or not. Having unaccounted for money is available for you or it isn't. But time. We can all adjust time to our favor.
I still say just set it up so she knows you get massages then you won't have to find the time to have fun, you still might have to carefully manage the money though.[/QUOTE]
Considering going to Thad's for the first time and I've been reading some posts here although most seem aimed at older gentlemen. Been looking to visit a swingers club and see what the lifestyle looks like. Context: I'm in college, single, decent looking (I take care of myself and have had good success dating so far) and pretty outgoing. Obviously can't drink there yet so prob pre gaming. Can anyone provide some insight on what the experience would be like? Also what day would you recommend going for the first time? (Their calendar lists Wednesday as hump day and idk what that is).
[QUOTE=Winston029;6083942]Considering going to Thad's for the first time and I've been reading some posts here although most seem aimed at older gentlemen. Been looking to visit a swingers club and see what the lifestyle looks like. Context: I'm in college, single, decent looking (I take care of myself and have had good success dating so far) and pretty outgoing. Obviously can't drink there yet so prob pre gaming. Can anyone provide some insight on what the experience would be like? Also what day would you recommend going for the first time? (Their calendar lists Wednesday as hump day and idk what that is).[/QUOTE]Glad you are reading posts, please read my other posts on Thads to give you more insight.
Think of it as an adult social club with men naked all the time and women having optional attire down to nothing.
Expect way more men than women, expect women to be older, the younger ones these days seem to be on the larger side. But some hotties do show up.
Go there to meet people. Be friendly and polite. Talk to the men as well as the women.
Always ask for permission to do anything, even to watch a show a couple might be putting on.
You can bring alcohol, but you can't take anything home, so finish it or expect to leave the remainder behind.
Wed and Thur are generally slow nights and very hit or miss. Friday to me is a good beginners night. And if you like it go back Saturday which will be busier.
Everything simply depends on who shows up that day, and if you know how to make friends. Good luck.
[QUOTE=ReyKittyHawk;6083580]Need to have time away from your SO? Pick up Golf. 18 Holes, 4 hours of freedom. 9 holes, 2 hours of freedom. And on links you turn your phone off. Perfect black out time![/QUOTE]
Take it from someone who's been there, the Golfing disguise can get very expensive!
You got to buy a full set of Golf Clubs (and bag), Golf Shoes, and a Left-hand glove at the Pro Shop.
Show receipts for Green Fees, and Golf cart rentals, and create fake text messages about Tee-Times,
rub fresh grass stains on your shoes, and take fake Selfie Pics of yourself on the links, etc.,
It's a lot of work to set-up and can be costly.
(Plus what do you say if your SO wants to go watch you play? Or offers to be your Caddy/Golf-cart driver?)
Jaguar you have some good points. As a disguise alone, Golf is not realistic.
You have to already be a golfer, which I am.
You do golf when you want golf, and you can play when you need a few hours to "play. ".
Fortunately I don't have to show receipts to anyone, and my SO doesn't watch, or ride along when it's just the guys or one of my practice rounds. The only time she comes is if we play doubles with other couples. I like to play and practice more so it works.
Tee times are set up by a phone call if I do it, or can be set up by one of my friends. No texts to track.
If receipts are an issue, on your fun day, tee up for 18, play 9 and then go enjoy 2 hours of fun time. Or reverse it. Go to spa first, have fun, then golf 9 and be gone the usual 4 hrs as if you played 18.
You can also just go to the range and hit a bucket of balls. No tee times needed. Throw clubs in back of car, tell SO you'll be hitting the range after work for practice and bingo, easy half or full hour all your own.
Golf is expensive, so I agree with you there.
"Fore!
[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;6084233]Take it from someone who's been there, the Golfing disguise can get very expensive!
You got to buy a full set of Golf Clubs (and bag), Golf Shoes, and a Left-hand glove at the Pro Shop.
Show receipts for Green Fees, and Golf cart rentals, and create fake text messages about Tee-Times,
rub fresh grass stains on your shoes, and take fake Selfie Pics of yourself on the links, etc.,
It's a lot of work to set-up and can be costly.
(Plus what do you say if your SO wants to go watch you play? Or offers to be your Caddy/Golf-cart driver?)[/QUOTE]
Going down for a boys trip 9/8-9/12 and will have 9/11 to myself.
I'm debating where I should get an Airbnb, likely somewhere close ish to nightlife in case I get lucky.
The question is. Are there any / many bars that are geared towards the service industry? Figure some of these gals may be a little more open minded for some fun unless I get lucky with a local / visitor.
Otherwise. Any "spot" that might be SW friendly? Or would I have to go closer to Logan. Thanks!
Don't we all hate when a provider whips out an industrial strength condom, then applies copious amounts of lube, and in your mind you know you're not going to feel much? Well, I've been bringing my own condom (BYOC) for the past few ladies I've nailed. It generally seems well received by providers when I BYOC. However, I had two of these break in one session. Usually, when a thick condom breaks you both feel the difference immediately. These are so thin though, If your girl has any tightness these will likely break and you won't realize it until you look down. This could be good or bad depending on how you see it. The last girl I was with didn't even realize that it was broken and I was enjoying bareback until we changed positions. I put another one on and entered doggy and it too was broken after the first few thrusts and she had no idea, so I just finished the deed CIP. When I pulled out she was pissed to see it had broken.
[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6086858]Don't we all hate when a provider whips out an industrial strength condom, then applies copious amounts of lube, and in your mind you know you're not going to feel much? Well, I've been bringing my own condom (BYOC) for the past few ladies I've nailed. It generally seems well received by providers when I BYOC. However, I had two of these break in one session. Usually, when a thick condom breaks you both feel the difference immediately. These are so thin though, If your girl has any tightness these will likely break and you won't realize it until you look down. This could be good or bad depending on how you see it. The last girl I was with didn't even realize that it was broken and I was enjoying bareback until we changed positions. I put another one on and entered doggy and it too was broken after the first few thrusts and she had no idea, so I just finished the deed CIP. When I pulled out she was pissed to see it had broken.[/QUOTE]This has happened to me twice too when using the Trojan Ultra Thins. Sometimes I'll get a regular text me to buy condoms while I'm on my way. Usually pisses me off that I got to pay extra money for condoms and waste time buying some too. So I'll get the thinnest shit I can find. But yeah both times I bought these they broke near the end. I usually feel the difference immediately but they never did. I'm sure they know I knew because I had pulled out both times and nutted on their ass. But they didn't complain. Seemed to be more worried about getting pregnant than catching anything.
I like to allure regular Massage providers to offering me more on the menu so I prefer to bring my own condoms when I'm planning to propose more action above a regular massage HE experience. When they see you are prepared it can make the difference. Besides, the Massage HE places usually don't have condoms, if they do, well then they're probably more of a FS place to start with. I usually have two on me just in case there is a whole lot of fun to be had.
And if you do get to use it, expect to take it with you once done. Tie it in a knot and wrap in tissue, toss away at your convenience.
In my experience, FS places usually take care of the whole condom maintenance issues themselves.
This is how I build their trust to allow FS. I bring condom, I take it away, and I keep all the fun a secret. It hasn't happened but if one we're to break, I'd not break their trust by continuing to fuck them, and would not to cum in side if I knew the condom had broke and they were expecting to be safe. To me, pregnancy and disease are serous considerations.
Been using condoms since the beginning of my sexual exploits, so I know the brands with the fit and quality I trust. Personally I would never trust a "house" condom. The cost of buying my own condoms is not significant to me. Those with SO be sure you don't leave one in your pocket when you go home.
I have had providers inspect my condoms and insist on putting it on me themselves. Most of the ones I seduce to FS generally let me put it on and remove.
Maybe the FS mongers like the idea of getting BB when they were supposed to be wearing a condom, but I prefer the simple fact that I get more by having them.
As for breakage: when putting on a condom, don't stretch it super tight over your tip, leave a little room for the explosion.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6090423]I like to allure regular Massage providers to offering me more on the menu so I prefer to bring my own condoms when I'm planning to propose more action above a regular massage HE experience. When they see you are prepared it can make the difference. Besides, the Massage HE places usually don't have condoms, if they do, well then they're probably more of a FS place to start with. I usually have two on me just in case there is a whole lot of fun to be had.
And if you do get to use it, expect to take it with you once done. Tie it in a knot and wrap in tissue, toss away at your convenience.
In my experience, FS places usually take care of the whole condom maintenance issues themselves.
This is how I build their trust to allow FS. I bring condom, I take it away, and I keep all the fun a secret. It hasn't happened but if one we're to break, I'd not break their trust by continuing to fuck them, and would not to cum in side if I knew the condom had broke and they were expecting to be safe. To me, pregnancy and disease are serous considerations..[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more. Condom breakage has happened to me twice and yeah sure it felt really good at the time but after those incidents and then me being reckless a few times by going bare with a few willing providers it's costing me more money and stress out of pocket to get tested. Probably spent over $600 within the last 2 months getting tested multiple times to make sure I don't got shit to pass to my SO. The last 2 weeks had been stressful making up excuses not to fuck her as I had to wait at least 14 days after exposure before getting fully tested. Finally did it this week and results say I'm clear. Never going raw again. Not worth the extra money, stress on you (and the provider), and risks to your health or your SO's health if you have one.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6090939]I couldn't agree with you more. Condom breakage has happened to me twice and yeah sure it felt really good at the time but after those incidents and then me being reckless a few times by going bare with a few willing providers it's costing me more money and stress out of pocket to get tested. Probably spent over $600 within the last 2 months getting tested multiple times to make sure I don't got shit to pass to my SO. The last 2 weeks had been stressful making up excuses not to fuck her as I had to wait at least 14 days after exposure before getting fully tested. Finally did it this week and results say I'm clear. Never going raw again. Not worth the extra money, stress on you (and the provider), and risks to your health or your SO's health if you have one.[/QUOTE]I once went raw and after that I had all the symptoms of hiv.
Most stressful 30 days for me.
I got tested 2 times.
All clear.
I never go raw.
It's just not worth it 😕.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6090939]I couldn't agree with you more. Condom breakage has happened to me twice and yeah sure it felt really good at the time but after those incidents and then me being reckless a few times by going bare with a few willing providers it's costing me more money and stress out of pocket to get tested. Probably spent over $600 within the last 2 months getting tested multiple times to make sure I don't got shit to pass to my SO. The last 2 weeks had been stressful making up excuses not to fuck her as I had to wait at least 14 days after exposure before getting fully tested. Finally did it this week and results say I'm clear. Never going raw again. Not worth the extra money, stress on you (and the provider), and risks to your health or your SO's health if you have one.[/QUOTE]Even if it's sweetie!? LOL.
The stress can be killer if you think you caught something, but it's so tough to pass up in the moment when offered, at least for me personally. Good luck keeping your resolve and avoiding raw DA!
[QUOTE=Jason619;6091356]Even if it's sweetie!? LOL.
The stress can be killer if you think you caught something, but it's so tough to pass up in the moment when offered, at least for me personally. Good luck keeping your resolve and avoiding raw DA![/QUOTE]Man that's tempting AF. But as fine and great as she is she's also been too high volume for me to want to risk it again. The stress sucks. But I know it is definitely hard to pass up when offered.
If you take a STI / STD home to your SO, it won't be good for anybody. Nobody is going to believe you got it from a "toilet seat. ".
If you feel you might have something not fucking your SO till you get an all clear test result is smart. All us mongers and providers hope you've stopped all your monger action too. It would not be cool to be spreading anything around.
Since you stopped fucking your SO beware that if you break your sex rhythm with her without a solid excuse she's going to wonder why you're avoiding sex with her. She might get suspicious right away and wonder if you're not getting it from her, who are you getting it from?
As for "accidental" BB action when a condom breaks. If you break a condom and know it and keep fucking her bare, that is not cool. She expects you to be wrapped up and if you aren't well you're breaking the "deal" and her trust. Then she'll be less likely to trust other mongers and you ruin it for the next guy. Be a good Eskimo brother treat the women right.
[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6093477]Man that's tempting AF. But as fine and great as she is she's also been too high volume for me to want to risk it again. The stress sucks. But I know it is definitely hard to pass up when offered.[/QUOTE]