Sooner, is this your damn dawg? LOL.
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Sooner, is this your damn dawg? LOL.
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Thanks for sharing your experience and possibly saving some of us time and $.
[QUOTE=SmallWonder;2971604]So, here's a different kind of report.
Some time back, someone on here asked about OTC ED pills. I posted a reply based on some things I had read, but I did not have any personal experience with them. So, out of curiosity, I thought I'd give one a try and see if it made any difference. Just so that you know, I'm in my late 50's, I'm overweight, diabetic and have high blood pressure. All of these things have combined to give me a little bit of trouble in that area.
The two that were mentioned specifically were Rhino 7 and Black Panther. Black Panther (fist in the air, head bowed) had the better reviews, so I thought I'd give that one a try. I'll say, first off, these things weren't easy to find. However, I did locate a local source.
As an aside: many or most of these pills (including the two mentioned) are considered "natural" substances and are not subject to FDA testing or controls. However, the FDA has looked at these two pills specifically, and has concluded that they contain sildenafil (generic name for viagra). It is not listed in the ingredients (since they couldn't legally sell it over the counter if they listed it). Because of this the FDA has issued a warning and urges people to not buy or take this pill. I suspect that selling this pill may not be totally legal, therefore I'm not going to say where I got it. However, if you want to know and are a regular poster here, I'll respond to queries. You should be aware that you are not breaking any laws by seeking it out or buying it. The government does not expect you to know that it isn't legal. And to be honest, I don't think the seller would get much more than a stern letter from the controlling agency telling them to stop selling it if they were found out.
That said, you should be aware that sildenafil can interact with other medications (especially nitrates) and cause some undesirable effects. Like death. Sildenafil lowers your blood pressure by affecting your cardiovascular system in such a way that blood moves away from your internal organs like your heart and brain and more to your extremities like Little Willie.
Now, the reviews I read online suggested that these pills work REALLY, REALLY well and that the effect can last up to 3 or 4 days. I suspect these reviews were planted by the people making and / or selling the stuff. The packaging suggests that you should take the pill about 30 minutes before engaging in sexual activity.
So, being a man, I completely ignored the directions and took the pill and waited about 1 hour, then went to my favorite AMP. (My favorite AMP is whatever one happens to be close at the time). I will say that after about 15 or 20 minutes, my head did feel a little bit tingly. I took this to be a good sign. I also took the fact that I didn't pass out and my heart didn't stop to be a good sign, as well. (When I say my "head" felt tingly, I'm talking about the one on my shoulders, not the other one. Nothing down there, yet.).
At the AMP, I asked for a one hour session. Got the usual 40 minutes or so of a nice sensual massage. During this massage, I was able to get a little bit of an erection. Normally, not much happens until after the flip and the beginning of some touching. So, the pill passed the first test. After the flip, the little darlin' went to work. Now, the reviews have stated that I should experience some increase in size, increase in sensation and ability to hold out longer before the big moment. To be honest, its hard to say if I experienced any of these. I may have had a slight increase in size, but it may have been my imagination. I may have been able to hold out a little longer. The reviews also suggested that I should have an increased output. I forgot to bring a measuring flask, so I don't know if that happened or not. But since I don't usually have anyone measuring my output, I'm not sure I care.
The next test is to see if the effect lasts longer than a few hours. I will say, that it MAY have been a little easier to get an erection over the course of the next day. Or maybe not. I know that I was thinking about the effect of the pill and trying to get one during my normal day, so its hard to say (no pun intended) whether that was a real effect or not.
Verdict: I think it may have helped a little bit, but was it enough to make it worth taking another one (at $10 a pill)? Probably not in this situation.
Test #2: I bought two pills and two weeks later I decided to try the second one. I took the pill and then headed off to a local independent full service provider this time. I arrived about a half hour after taking the pill. Then I went to work. Without going into too many specifics, I'll just say that I think the effect seemed a little more pronounced this time. I THINK I was able to get and maintain an erection just a LITTLE BIT easier than normal. But, I must say, the effect wasn't huge. (Again, no pun intended.) Slightly easier to get an erection. Slightly easier to hold off and control the release.
I do have decreased sensation when using a cover, and I can say for certain that the pill provided no improvement in that area. I have read that excessive jerking off can cause decreased sensation. If that's the case, I'm screwed. Let that be a warning to you younger guys.
VERDICT: Was it worth $10 a pill? Hmmm. I doubt it. I don't think the effect was pronounced enough to make it worth the effort and the cost. I don't know whether the amount of Sildenafil in the pill is close to the same as in prescription Viagra or not. It may only be a fraction of the amount. It might be worth trying two pills to see if that helps. However, that's twice the cost and I could kill myself, so there's a slight downside. I'm not sure I'd take 2 at once, but I might try taking one and then taking another a few hours later. I don't recommend anyone else try this. It isn't safe.
Disclaimer: I'm not a medical doctor, I don't play one on TV and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. This review does not constitute medical advice. Take at your own risk and don't call me if you die. I'm not responsible. Don't take this if you are taking any nitrates, diabetic medication or if you are over the age of 30. Talk to your doctor to see if you're healthy enough for sexual activity and illegal OTC drugs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SmallWonder;2971604]So, here's a different kind of report.
Some time back, someone on here asked about OTC ED pills. I posted a reply based on some things I had read, but I did not have any personal experience with them. So, out of curiosity, I thought I'd give one a try and see if it made any difference. Just so that you know, I'm in my late 50's, I'm overweight, diabetic and have high blood pressure. All of these things have combined to give me a little bit of trouble in that area.
The two that were mentioned specifically were Rhino 7 and Black Panther. Black Panther (fist in the air, head bowed) had the better reviews, so I thought I'd give that one a try. I'll say, first off, these things weren't easy to find. However, I did locate a local source.
As an aside: many or most of these pills (including the two mentioned) are considered "natural" substances and are not subject to FDA testing or controls. However, the FDA has looked at these two pills specifically, and has concluded that they contain sildenafil (generic name for viagra). It is not listed in the ingredients (since they couldn't legally sell it over the counter if they listed it). Because of this the FDA has issued a warning and urges people to not buy or take this pill. I suspect that selling this pill may not be totally legal, therefore I'm not going to say where I got it. However, if you want to know and are a regular poster here, I'll respond to queries. You should be aware that you are not breaking any laws by seeking it out or buying it. The government does not expect you to know that it isn't legal. And to be honest, I don't think the seller would get much more than a stern letter from the controlling agency telling them to stop selling it if they were found out.
That said, you should be aware that sildenafil can interact with other medications (especially nitrates) and cause some undesirable effects. Like death. Sildenafil lowers your blood pressure by affecting your cardiovascular system in such a way that blood moves away from your internal organs like your heart and brain and more to your extremities like Little Willie.
Now, the reviews I read online suggested that these pills work REALLY, REALLY well and that the effect can last up to 3 or 4 days. I suspect these reviews were planted by the people making and / or selling the stuff. The packaging suggests that you should take the pill about 30 minutes before engaging in sexual activity.
So, being a man, I completely ignored the directions and took the pill and waited about 1 hour, then went to my favorite AMP. (My favorite AMP is whatever one happens to be close at the time). I will say that after about 15 or 20 minutes, my head did feel a little bit tingly. I took this to be a good sign. I also took the fact that I didn't pass out and my heart didn't stop to be a good sign, as well. (When I say my "head" felt tingly, I'm talking about the one on my shoulders, not the other one. Nothing down there, yet.).
At the AMP, I asked for a one hour session. Got the usual 40 minutes or so of a nice sensual massage. During this massage, I was able to get a little bit of an erection. Normally, not much happens until after the flip and the beginning of some touching. So, the pill passed the first test. After the flip, the little darlin' went to work. Now, the reviews have stated that I should experience some increase in size, increase in sensation and ability to hold out longer before the big moment. To be honest, its hard to say if I experienced any of these. I may have had a slight increase in size, but it may have been my imagination. I may have been able to hold out a little longer. The reviews also suggested that I should have an increased output. I forgot to bring a measuring flask, so I don't know if that happened or not. But since I don't usually have anyone measuring my output, I'm not sure I care.
The next test is to see if the effect lasts longer than a few hours. I will say, that it MAY have been a little easier to get an erection over the course of the next day. Or maybe not. I know that I was thinking about the effect of the pill and trying to get one during my normal day, so its hard to say (no pun intended) whether that was a real effect or not.
Verdict: I think it may have helped a little bit, but was it enough to make it worth taking another one (at $10 a pill)? Probably not in this situation.
Test #2: I bought two pills and two weeks later I decided to try the second one. I took the pill and then headed off to a local independent full service provider this time. I arrived about a half hour after taking the pill. Then I went to work. Without going into too many specifics, I'll just say that I think the effect seemed a little more pronounced this time. I THINK I was able to get and maintain an erection just a LITTLE BIT easier than normal. But, I must say, the effect wasn't huge. (Again, no pun intended.) Slightly easier to get an erection. Slightly easier to hold off and control the release.
I do have decreased sensation when using a cover, and I can say for certain that the pill provided no improvement in that area. I have read that excessive jerking off can cause decreased sensation. If that's the case, I'm screwed. Let that be a warning to you younger guys.
VERDICT: Was it worth $10 a pill? Hmmm. I doubt it. I don't think the effect was pronounced enough to make it worth the effort and the cost. I don't know whether the amount of Sildenafil in the pill is close to the same as in prescription Viagra or not. It may only be a fraction of the amount. It might be worth trying two pills to see if that helps. However, that's twice the cost and I could kill myself, so there's a slight downside. I'm not sure I'd take 2 at once, but I might try taking one and then taking another a few hours later. I don't recommend anyone else try this. It isn't safe.
Disclaimer: I'm not a medical doctor, I don't play one on TV and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. This review does not constitute medical advice. Take at your own risk and don't call me if you die. I'm not responsible. Don't take this if you are taking any nitrates, diabetic medication or if you are over the age of 30. Talk to your doctor to see if you're healthy enough for sexual activity and illegal OTC drugs.[/QUOTE]Bro, that is some funnyass shit LOL. But, having said that, I can see I am screwed: " I have read that excessive jerking off can cause decreased sensation. " Sigh. Thanks bro.
[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2972258]Sooner, is this your damn dawg? LOL.
[URL]http://imgur.com/gallery/PV7fqO2[/URL][/QUOTE]Well I be damned oh Shep has been moon lighting on me. That's some funny shit amigo, thanks for the laughs.
Just another old horn dog, LMAO.
[QUOTE=SoonerGuy;2974186]Well I be damned oh Shep has been moon lighting on me. That's some funny shit amigo, thanks for the laughs.
Just another old horn dog, LMAO.[/QUOTE]
Too Funny... That is some weird shit. Was will a local chick recently here in town thoroughly enjoying myself, when I heard a noise, looked over my shoulder and saw a 4-5 year old kid watching his mom in action - she wasn't too bothered. WTH. Cheers...
[QUOTE=SoonerGuy;2974186]Well I be damned oh Shep has been moon lighting on me. That's some funny shit amigo, thanks for the laughs.
Just another old horn dog, LMAO.[/QUOTE]Yessir I thought of you the minute I saw it LOL YW amigo.
[QUOTE=FlyingColors12;2974237]Too Funny... That is some weird shit. Was will a local chick recently here in town thoroughly enjoying myself, when I heard a noise, looked over my shoulder and saw a 4-5 year old kid watching his mom in action - she wasn't too bothered. WTH. Cheers...[/QUOTE]LOL I hope the little bugger isn't scarred for life LOL. Happened to me once too. Drunk as hell still banging a take home from the bar at 630 when the kid got up for school. Looked over and there he was just watching with no reaction at all. I went limp as hell LOL.
Thought I would just sound off a bit on a couple things. Recently I have had a few newbies asking me for info and I do not know them. Just to be very clear on this, I consider giving someone info when they have not proven themselves to be in direct conflict with what this forum is all about. If I do not know you, have never heard of you, you have never given me any kind of verifiable info that leads me to believe I can trust you. . . . . . . Well I guess you can go do to yourself what we all want to do to the girls LOL. Had someone indicate that they think we have an increasing number of newbies that could be Uncle LEO. Well, as I have said it before, Uncle LEO, Capt Donut and Det Richard Baker can all go fuck themselves. PLEASE brothers, lets be careful who we give info to. These clowns cannot snatch anybody unless we make it easy for them and fuck up.
Next item, I am a firm believer in discretion and the use of burner phones. I have a burn phone and use it only. I never tell a provider my real name. I never let a provider see my car. I always park somewhere else. I never give a provider anything they can use against me later. Providers are not our confidants and friends. Neither are we theirs. We are all partners in a business that is of mutual benefit to each other. Does that mean we cannot do nice things for each other and be friends in a business way? Sure, absolutely! But the ladies that have recently decided to test the waters with blackmail would never even have to be tempted if we did not make it so easy for them. They do not need my true identity and I do not need theirs. They do not need stalkers, infatuated dumbasses who think they are THE one and assorted Capt Save-A-Hoes messing up their lives. And we don't need girls messing up our personal lives. Keep it simple brothers.
My apologies for rambling so much. Just a few thoughts on my mind lately due to some of the incidents we have experienced lately here in ICT. Besides, I needed the practice typing. LOL Carry on brethren. JTW.
[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;3018126]Thought I would just sound off a bit on a couple things. Recently I have had a few newbies asking me for info and I do not know them. Just to be very clear on this, I consider giving someone info when they have not proven themselves to be in direct conflict with what this forum is all about. If I do not know you, have never heard of you, you have never given me any kind of verifiable info that leads me to believe I can trust you. . . . . . . Well I guess you can go do to yourself what we all want to do to the girls LOL. Had someone indicate that they think we have an increasing number of newbies that could be Uncle LEO. Well, as I have said it before, Uncle LEO, Capt Donut and Det Richard Baker can all go fuck themselves. PLEASE brothers, lets be careful who we give info to. These clowns cannot snatch anybody unless we make it easy for them and fuck up.
Next item, I am a firm believer in discretion and the use of burner phones. I have a burn phone and use it only. I never tell a provider my real name. I never let a provider see my car. I always park somewhere else. I never give a provider anything they can use against me later. Providers are not our confidants and friends. Neither are we theirs. We are all partners in a business that is of mutual benefit to each other. Does that mean we cannot do nice things for each other and be friends in a business way? Sure, absolutely! But the ladies that have recently decided to test the waters with blackmail would never even have to be tempted if we did not make it so easy for them. They do not need my true identity and I do not need theirs. They do not need stalkers, infatuated dumbasses who think they are THE one and assorted Capt Save-A-Hoes messing up their lives. And we don't need girls messing up our personal lives. Keep it simple brothers.
My apologies for rambling so much. Just a few thoughts on my mind lately due to some of the incidents we have experienced lately here in ICT. Besides, I needed the practice typing. LOL Carry on brethren. JTW.[/QUOTE]Yes, although the goal is to help each other out with solid info, we cannot get carried away and just hand LEO a map to our treasures. For newbies look back through the forum. There is a lot of useful information there. Also get out there and report on your experiences. A word of caution here; don't give too much info in the open forum and use pm wisely with those you trust. I know we have lost good providers at least in part due to giving out too much info especially in the open forum for anyone to see. As for the other, protect yourself from potential blackmailers at all costs. We don't need that bs when there's enough other bs to worry about out there. Stay safe and have fun!
[QUOTE=Skip316;3018221]Yes, although the goal is to help each other out with solid info, we cannot get carried away and just hand LEO a map to our treasures. For newbies look back through the forum. There is a lot of useful information there. Also get out there and report on your experiences. A word of caution here; don't give too much info in the open forum and use pm wisely with those you trust. I know we have lost good providers at least in part due to giving out too much info especially in the open forum for anyone to see. As for the other, protect yourself from potential blackmailers at all costs. We don't need that bs when there's enough other bs to worry about out there. Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]Just to tag on to what you've already said, I've pretty much stopped saying anything in open forum about local AMPs. That seems to be a focus of LEO right now, and the less they know, the better. If you have any juicy info, pass it along in PMs only. There are a couple of new ones out there, and I think its best to not even mention their existence. (They both seem to be trying to fly a little under the radar at the present).
[QUOTE=SmallWonder;3018321]Just to tag on to what you've already said, I've pretty much stopped saying anything in open forum about local AMPs. That seems to be a focus of LEO right now, and the less they know, the better. If you have any juicy info, pass it along in PMs only. There are a couple of new ones out there, and I think its best to not even mention their existence. (They both seem to be trying to fly a little under the radar at the present).[/QUOTE]Yes indeed. All of the AMP girls I know do not even want to be talked about. Even though we do LOL it should sure be by pm to those we trust.
[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;3018126]Thought I would just sound off a bit on a couple things. Recently I have had a few newbies asking me for info and I do not know them. Just to be very clear on this, I consider giving someone info when they have not proven themselves to be in direct conflict with what this forum is all about. If I do not know you, have never heard of you, you have never given me any kind of verifiable info that leads me to believe I can trust you. . . . . . . Well I guess you can go do to yourself what we all want to do to the girls LOL. Had someone indicate that they think we have an increasing number of newbies that could be Uncle LEO. Well, as I have said it before, Uncle LEO, Capt Donut and Det Richard Baker can all go fuck themselves. PLEASE brothers, lets be careful who we give info to. These clowns cannot snatch anybody unless we make it easy for them and fuck up.
Next item, I am a firm believer in discretion and the use of burner phones. I have a burn phone and use it only. I never tell a provider my real name. I never let a provider see my car. I always park somewhere else. I never give a provider anything they can use against me later. Providers are not our confidants and friends. Neither are we theirs. We are all partners in a business that is of mutual benefit to each other. Does that mean we cannot do nice things for each other and be friends in a business way? Sure, absolutely! But the ladies that have recently decided to test the waters with blackmail would never even have to be tempted if we did not make it so easy for them. They do not need my true identity and I do not need theirs. They do not need stalkers, infatuated dumbasses who think they are THE one and assorted Capt Save-A-Hoes messing up their lives. And we don't need girls messing up our personal lives. Keep it simple brothers.
My apologies for rambling so much. Just a few thoughts on my mind lately due to some of the incidents we have experienced lately here in ICT. Besides, I needed the practice typing. LOL Carry on brethren. JTW.[/QUOTE]Yes. I had to do and so did all Senior members way back when had to do it. Do Your Home Work. That means Going back to some of the very early messages and read. It's worth it. It's all there for you. Just put in the leg work.
Jj.
[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;3018126]Thought I would just sound off a bit on a couple things. Recently I have had a few newbies asking me for info and I do not know them. Just to be very clear on this, I consider giving someone info when they have not proven themselves to be in direct conflict with what this forum is all about. If I do not know you, have never heard of you, you have never given me any kind of verifiable info that leads me to believe I can trust you. . . . . . . Well I guess you can go do to yourself what we all want to do to the girls LOL. Had someone indicate that they think we have an increasing number of newbies that could be Uncle LEO. Well, as I have said it before, Uncle LEO, Capt Donut and Det Richard Baker can all go fuck themselves. PLEASE brothers, lets be careful who we give info to. These clowns cannot snatch anybody unless we make it easy for them and fuck up.
Next item, I am a firm believer in discretion and the use of burner phones. I have a burn phone and use it only. I never tell a provider my real name. I never let a provider see my car. I always park somewhere else. I never give a provider anything they can use against me later. Providers are not our confidants and friends. Neither are we theirs. We are all partners in a business that is of mutual benefit to each other. Does that mean we cannot do nice things for each other and be friends in a business way? Sure, absolutely! But the ladies that have recently decided to test the waters with blackmail would never even have to be tempted if we did not make it so easy for them. They do not need my true identity and I do not need theirs. They do not need stalkers, infatuated dumbasses who think they are THE one and assorted Capt Save-A-Hoes messing up their lives. And we don't need girls messing up our personal lives. Keep it simple brothers.
My apologies for rambling so much. Just a few thoughts on my mind lately due to some of the incidents we have experienced lately here in ICT. Besides, I needed the practice typing. LOL Carry on brethren. JTW.[/QUOTE]Newbies just need to pick up the phone. Call a provider. Then report good or bad. Earn the seniors trust and respect. We all went through the process. When I started mongering I wish these forums existed. If nothing else search the history it's all laid out.
[QUOTE=Willy45;3027296]Newbies just need to pick up the phone. Call a provider. Then report good or bad. Earn the seniors trust and respect. We all went through the process. When I started mongering I wish these forums existed. If nothing else search the history it's all laid out.[/QUOTE]You are totally correct Willy. In fact, I am going to make it easy for some of the newbies. The following is a list of providers that could be reviewed. Their status is unknown, at least to me, and after checking the phone and pics with tineye and google, go for it and report back. Here are my suggestions:
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[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;3027591]You are totally correct Willy. In fact, I am going to make it easy for some of the newbies. The following is a list of providers that could be reviewed. Their status is unknown, at least to me, and after checking the phone and pics with tineye and google, go for it and report back. Here are my suggestions:
[URL]http://wichita.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sweet-simone-special-all-night/9110367[/URL]
[URL]http://wichita.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/curvy-blonde-hottiehave-it-your-way-unrushed-session5-star-provider/8145169[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm not necessarily a newbie but thanks for doing this for the newbies JTW. If I wasn't out of town, I'd be contacting these.