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[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5864285]Rating are subjective; I rate Zoey a 9 and Anna a 7. Both girls quoted me $500. Obviously I did not participate.[/QUOTE]Women quote based on how bad they need the money vs how easy. Your physical appearance an how many times they sent you. They quote all different prices all the time.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;5862995]I never go to a club requires me to surrender my keys, such as landing strip and flight club. BT's has valet parking but its optional, unlike FC and LS. ...[/QUOTE]Makes me recall the night we couldn't leave Hustler Lincoln Park because the valet got locked out of their booth. Had to wait for a locksmith to arrive. Pita.
Thanks everyone for the intel and HOLY SHIT thank you Time for the detailed report. If I ever see you in one of those clubs, first round is on me. Looks like I am going to try and sneak a day trip for LS at some point. Any recommendations for ladies or ones to avoid? Is the dance area private (curtains)?
Sorry I'm asking so many questions. I just like to be prepared. LOL.
[QUOTE=TimeTwist;5863755]My go to club until recently for decent girls at a fair price was Silver Criket, that was before they upped to prices for the band and made the fee once each time. Now it's not worth it. While there is no valet, the cover charge and per trip fee makes it not much cheaper then Landing Strip, which has far hotter dancers. Flight Club is not worth it. I can rarely get dancers to go for under $300 FS and $200 BJ, and far too many want $500 FS / $300 BJ no negotiation. The ones who do go lower, rush way too much.
My go to clubs are.
Landing Strip: Day shift. Typical dancer rating: 7-8 with maybe a 9 now or then: No cover, $20 for the dance room per trip (I think it's 25 night), BJ $100 to $150, FS $250 to $300.
Bogarts: Any shift- Typical dancer rating: 4-7 with with maybe an 8. $5 cover which. $10 for dance room once only per day. BJ $100 to $125, FS $150 to $175.
H8: Any shift. Typical dancer rating: 3 - 6 with maybe a 7 and occasionally and 8. $5 cover which. $10 for dance room once only per day. BJ $80 to $100, FS $150 to $175.
BT's is OK but I find far too many rip off's there that I don't frequent it that much.
I am an out of towner, and not there frequently so you might be able to get a bit better deal.
I typically go in the order shown. About 30 percent of the time I'll find a reasonable gal at Landing Strip and call it a night. If that fails I go to Bogarts then H8. It's really a crap shoot between the two, but you can get a pass to go to the other if you don't find what you want. I have found that Bogarts gals are typically a bit hotter during the day, and H8 at night. Although it can be quite random and some gals switch between both so go to the appropriate one depending on the time. About 95 percent of the time if I don't get lucky at LS, I'll find a gal I like at either Bogarts or H8.
Prices listed are for BBBJ. As others have said more gals do BBBJ at H8 than Bogarts, but a few do. Landing Strip at least 1/3 do BBBJ. I wouldn't expect CBJ to be cheaper.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;5864255]
Jordan is 20's, white, dirty blonde, B-cup tits, and has tats. She provided a mediocre session here in 2019. I wouldn't repeat.
[/QUOTE]I did a VIP session with Jordan earlier this year. She was godawful.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;5862995]I never go to a club requires me to surrender my keys, such as landing strip and flight club. BT's has valet parking but its optional, unlike FC and LS. Bogies and H8's have the same owners so as you leave either club you can ask for a free pass to the other one. Girls at bogies all seem to want you to wear a rubber for a blow job. Bogies and the cricket have bigger private dance booths than h8's, so for full service bogies or the cricket would be good, but the girls at h8's just seem sluttier and will do BBBJ. Bogies has great food. Be sure to report back![/QUOTE]Bt Dearborn has optional valet? You saying that when you pull in you can just drive back to the lot and park? It always feels like you got to stop and let them take you keys.
[QUOTE=LostInDetroit;5864373]Thanks everyone for the intel and HOLY SHIT thank you Time for the detailed report. If I ever see you in one of those clubs, first round is on me. Looks like I am going to try and sneak a day trip for LS at some point. Any recommendations for ladies or ones to avoid? Is the dance area private (curtains)?
Sorry I'm asking so many questions. I just like to be prepared. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes the dance area is private with curtains. As for dancers, my list may be a bit out of date since I only go about 6 times a year.
Ones I highly recommend are Violet, Natalie and Dana.
Ones to avoid:
Aliya or Arya can't 100% remember. She's a tall hot blonde but way over prices. Her rates would be on the upper end of Flight Club prices, and offers very little room to negotiate.
Another is an Asian looking dancer, often has some combination of yellow red and blue highlights in her hair. Can't recall her name, but also extremely high priced and doesn't budge an inche.
Finally Unique, a hot tiny AA dancer with plenty of tattoos. She is dance only and offers no extras whatsoever.
I would look for posts by JulesJorden for more recent info. He posts very frequently and are very accurate. I always check his posts before visiting.
I have finished my Detroit engagement running for the past 9 months where I made 24 trips to the motor city. During those 24 trips I treated myself to 37 VIP sessions. I would often visit the VIP 2 times on the same night and one night I even went 3 times.
20 nights I went to BTs, 11 nights I went to Criket, and 3 nights I went to Dreamgirls. I typically started at BTs and if I couldn't find something I liked then changed to another club. I also followed dancers I enjoyed as they moved from club to club.
My approach looks & attitude:
I evaluate the girls on looks first and then attitude. My preference if for young thin fit spinners, with small firm perky tits, firm flat stomach, and minimal or no tattoos, piercings and make up. I watch the girls dance on stage, and I will tip $1 to a good looking girl and invite her sit and talk to me. While we are talking, I assess her attitude. I expect her to pay attention to me and not her cell phone. If we have good natural chemistry, she is friendly, in a good mood, and shares some information about herself, then I will agree to negotiate a VIP session.
I know looks are subjective and standards of beauty are different for each guy. There are plenty of older, curvier, heavier, big breasted girls, heavily tattooed, pierced and girls wearing significant amounts of make up for those of you who like that.
Over 24 visits I spent time with 13 girls who passed both the looks and the attitude test. As always YMMV.
8 girls I enjoyed, I want to repeat, I suggest others try them and are likely to be happy with them.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Zoe at BTs.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
- Naomi at BTs.
- Celeste at BTs (she also dances at Pantheon).
- Raven at BTs.
3 girls provided adequate sessions, I might repeat depending on who else is dancing, but prefer to try a new girl.
- Tinsley at BTs.
- Shay at Criket – others have complained about her, but I enjoyed my session with her.
- Serena at BTs.
2 girls I did not enjoy, I do not plan to repeat.
- Nyra at BTs.
- Princess at BTs – others have had good sessions with her, but she was my worst VIP on this trip.
Repeat girls: 37 sessions with 13 girls meant I repeated with same girls for 24 of the sessions.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
New girls: 11 of the 13 girls had not seen prior to this trip.
Girls I had previously tried:
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Tinsley at BTs – Although when I tried her before she was dancing at Criket.
Negotiations: I always request no song count and to go to the VIP after she finishes her stage set. My maximum price is $200 and I succeed in negotiating lower than that numerous times. For complete transparency, regardless of negotiated price I do offer the girls a $20 - $40 tip if they exceed my expectation and succeed in making me happy during the VIP. My expectations are extremely high and it is difficult for the girls to exceed them but there were 8 times out of the 37 sessions the girls earned my tip. Also, for girls who I repeated with and enjoyed their company, if they would sit with me in the main room, I would buy them drinks or food. So, my total spend on the girl could be as high as $250 if I bought her a drink and she earned a tip.
Looks Only:
In addition to the 13 girls I sampled there were 27 other girls that I rated as 7 or higher and got a boner watching them dance. I did not sample for the following reasons.
Note there are two girls named Chloe. 1 who started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Note there are two girls name Athena. 1 wo started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Crazy high prices:
This year was different than in past years. Previously almost every girl was happy with $200 and this year many girls insisted on more money which ended up being a lose lose proposition, because instead of getting $200 I gave them nothing, and instead of me enjoying their feminine charms I sat by myself. This is another reason I did so many repeat sessions as once I found a girl I liked at a reasonable price point, I continued to see her over and over again. This worked well for both myself and the girl.
If you can get any of these 5 girls at a reasonable price, they could be a good VIP. If they insist on high prices, I encourage you to do what I did say no thanks, if you want $200 you know where to find me. At their current offers I suggest others avoid them.
- Natalia at BTs - $1000.
- Rain at BTs - $500.
- Anna at BTs - $500.
- Athena from 2021 - $500.
- Zoe at BTs – I did one session with her at a reasonable price on her first night working, then she told me future sessions would be $500, so I didn't take her again.
Demanded payment upfront:
I have never had paying in advance work out well. I do think it is fair to show the girl you have the money so she is not being cheated, but then it goes back in my pocket until I am happy. These girls are helping you avoid bad sessions with them by insisting on payment up front, they will at best be mechanical, and at worst grab your money and walk out leaving you unhappy. I suggest other avoid them.
- Chloe from 2020 at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Leela at Criket.
- Lola / Jade at BTs.
- Winter at BTs.
Refused to take my dollar:
I never experienced this behavior before this trip. Normally the girls are friendly and appreciative when being tipped at the stage. I don't think it hurts the girl to be polite when a guy decides to tip them. I have often observed when one guy tips a girl that prompts other guys to also tip her. I had 5 girls who refused my tip or complained that $1 was too small of a tip. While this behavior by the girls is rude, I know they are showing me insight into how they would behave in the VIP and their bad conduct has prevented me from taking them for a poor VIP session. I suggest others avoid them.
- Anna at BTs.
- India at BTs.
- Athena from 2020 at BTs.
- Thai at BTs.
- Honey at BTs.
Attitude problems:
All these girls are hot looking, and they pass my first criteria of being a 7 or higher and giving me a boner. But I have learned I can avoid many unsatisfying VIP sessions by having a little chat and assessing her attitude. If she has a bad attitude in the main room, it doesn't matter how good she looks her VIP will likely be disappointing. I spend a lot of money to go to the VIP, and I don't want a disappointing one. Sometimes 2 people just don't click with each other. Or the girl might be having a bad night. So if you get her on a good night or you have good chemistry then these girls might be good choices for you. I passed on VIP with them based on their attitude while talking to me.
- Chloe form 2021 at Criket and BTs.
- Peaches at BTs.
- Summer at BTs.
- Lyric at Criket.
- Jamie at BTs, although she said she usually dances at Landing Strip.
- Abby at BTs.
- Morgan at BTs.
Refused to come and talk with me:
I never got to assess these girls attitudes as they avoided me, despite being tipped multiple times. Perhaps they knew something about me, or didn't like my looks. These girls could be good choices if they are willing to come sit with you. This is a very high number of girls that refused to sit with me, normally the girls are happy to join you. Perhaps they are friends with a girl who had a bad attitude and I already declined. Regardless I would have liked the chance to talk with them, and decide if I should go to the VIP, but I did not get that chance.
- Ari at BTs.
- Candy at BTs.
- Mia at BTs – she was always busy, I only saw her a couple of times, she was at least nice during stage tips.
- Rosie at BTs.
- River at BTs – she did join me on my last night but I already negotiated a VIP with another girl.
- Miley at BTs – I only saw her once, and she left club shortly after I saw her.
- Ewe at Dreamgirls.
MM.
I have seen the girls repost a meme pretty much saying, "what am I supposed to do with a dollar". I could understand if it was a clean club where they rely on stage tips, but the clubs we frequent the money is made in the VIP.
Great report MM. It reads like a Lonely Planet Guide to strip club mongering in Metro Detroit.
Thanks!!
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5865639]I have finished my Detroit engagement running for the past 9 months where I made 24 trips to the motor city. During those 24 trips I treated myself to 37 VIP sessions. I would often visit the VIP 2 times on the same night and one night I even went 3 times.
20 nights I went to BTs, 11 nights I went to Criket, and 3 nights I went to Dreamgirls. I typically started at BTs and if I couldn't find something I liked then changed to another club. I also followed dancers I enjoyed as they moved from club to club.
My approach looks & attitude:
I evaluate the girls on looks first and then attitude. My preference if for young thin fit spinners, with small firm perky tits, firm flat stomach, and minimal or no tattoos, piercings and make up. I watch the girls dance on stage, and I will tip $1 to a good looking girl and invite her sit and talk to me. While we are talking, I assess her attitude. I expect her to pay attention to me and not her cell phone. If we have good natural chemistry, she is friendly, in a good mood, and shares some information about herself, then I will agree to negotiate a VIP session.
I know looks are subjective and standards of beauty are different for each guy. There are plenty of older, curvier, heavier, big breasted girls, heavily tattooed, pierced and girls wearing significant amounts of make up for those of you who like that.
Over 24 visits I spent time with 13 girls who passed both the looks and the attitude test. As always YMMV.
8 girls I enjoyed, I want to repeat, I suggest others try them and are likely to be happy with them.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Zoe at BTs.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
- Naomi at BTs.
- Celeste at BTs (she also dances at Pantheon).
- Raven at BTs.
3 girls provided adequate sessions, I might repeat depending on who else is dancing, but prefer to try a new girl.
- Tinsley at BTs.
- Shay at Criket others have complained about her, but I enjoyed my session with her.
- Serena at BTs.
2 girls I did not enjoy, I do not plan to repeat.
- Nyra at BTs.
- Princess at BTs others have had good sessions with her, but she was my worst VIP on this trip.
Repeat girls: 37 sessions with 13 girls meant I repeated with same girls for 24 of the sessions.
- Nae at BTs & Criket.
- Sky at Criket.
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Fiona at BTs.
New girls: 11 of the 13 girls had not seen prior to this trip.
Girls I had previously tried:
- Arabella at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Tinsley at BTs Although when I tried her before she was dancing at Criket.
Negotiations: I always request no song count and to go to the VIP after she finishes her stage set. My maximum price is $200 and I succeed in negotiating lower than that numerous times. For complete transparency, regardless of negotiated price I do offer the girls a $20 - $40 tip if they exceed my expectation and succeed in making me happy during the VIP. My expectations are extremely high and it is difficult for the girls to exceed them but there were 8 times out of the 37 sessions the girls earned my tip. Also, for girls who I repeated with and enjoyed their company, if they would sit with me in the main room, I would buy them drinks or food. So, my total spend on the girl could be as high as $250 if I bought her a drink and she earned a tip.
Looks Only:
In addition to the 13 girls I sampled there were 27 other girls that I rated as 7 or higher and got a boner watching them dance. I did not sample for the following reasons.
Note there are two girls named Chloe. 1 who started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Note there are two girls name Athena. 1 wo started dancing in 2020 and one who started dancing in 2021. I didn't sample either one of them.
Crazy high prices:
This year was different than in past years. Previously almost every girl was happy with $200 and this year many girls insisted on more money which ended up being a lose lose proposition, because instead of getting $200 I gave them nothing, and instead of me enjoying their feminine charms I sat by myself. This is another reason I did so many repeat sessions as once I found a girl I liked at a reasonable price point, I continued to see her over and over again. This worked well for both myself and the girl.
If you can get any of these 5 girls at a reasonable price, they could be a good VIP. If they insist on high prices, I encourage you to do what I did say no thanks, if you want $200 you know where to find me. At their current offers I suggest others avoid them.
- Natalia at BTs - $1000.
- Rain at BTs - $500.
- Anna at BTs - $500.
- Athena from 2021 - $500.
- Zoe at BTs I did one session with her at a reasonable price on her first night working, then she told me future sessions would be $500, so I didn't take her again.
Demanded payment upfront:
I have never had paying in advance work out well. I do think it is fair to show the girl you have the money so she is not being cheated, but then it goes back in my pocket until I am happy. These girls are helping you avoid bad sessions with them by insisting on payment up front, they will at best be mechanical, and at worst grab your money and walk out leaving you unhappy. I suggest other avoid them.
- Chloe from 2020 at BTs & Dreamgirls.
- Leela at Criket.
- Lola / Jade at BTs.
- Winter at BTs.
Refused to take my dollar:
I never experienced this behavior before this trip. Normally the girls are friendly and appreciative when being tipped at the stage. I don't think it hurts the girl to be polite when a guy decides to tip them. I have often observed when one guy tips a girl that prompts other guys to also tip her. I had 5 girls who refused my tip or complained that $1 was too small of a tip. While this behavior by the girls is rude, I know they are showing me insight into how they would behave in the VIP and their bad conduct has prevented me from taking them for a poor VIP session. I suggest others avoid them.
- Anna at BTs.
- India at BTs.
- Athena from 2020 at BTs.
- Thai at BTs.
- Honey at BTs.
Attitude problems:
All these girls are hot looking, and they pass my first criteria of being a 7 or higher and giving me a boner. But I have learned I can avoid many unsatisfying VIP sessions by having a little chat and assessing her attitude. If she has a bad attitude in the main room, it doesn't matter how good she looks her VIP will likely be disappointing. I spend a lot of money to go to the VIP, and I don't want a disappointing one. Sometimes 2 people just don't click with each other. Or the girl might be having a bad night. So if you get her on a good night or you have good chemistry then these girls might be good choices for you. I passed on VIP with them based on their attitude while talking to me.
- Chloe form 2021 at Criket and BTs.
- Peaches at BTs.
- Summer at BTs.
- Lyric at Criket.
- Jamie at BTs, although she said she usually dances at Landing Strip.
- Abby at BTs.
- Morgan at BTs.
Refused to come and talk with me:
I never got to assess these girls attitudes as they avoided me, despite being tipped multiple times. Perhaps they knew something about me, or didn't like my looks. These girls could be good choices if they are willing to come sit with you. This is a very high number of girls that refused to sit with me, normally the girls are happy to join you. Perhaps they are friends with a girl who had a bad attitude and I already declined. Regardless I would have liked the chance to talk with them, and decide if I should go to the VIP, but I did not get that chance.
- Ari at BTs.
- Candy at BTs.
- Mia at BTs she was always busy, I only saw her a couple of times, she was at least nice during stage tips.
- Rosie at BTs.
- River at BTs she did join me on my last night but I already negotiated a VIP with another girl.
- Miley at BTs I only saw her once, and she left club shortly after I saw her.
- Ewe at Dreamgirls.
MM.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nick6789;5865669]I have seen the girls repost a meme pretty much saying, "what am I supposed to do with a dollar". I could understand if it was a clean club where they rely on stage tips, but the clubs we frequent the money is made in the VIP.[/QUOTE]N67,
I can only speak on the nights that I was there but 80% of the guys never tip any of the girls. So a guy who tips a girl a dollar, she should smile, say thank you, and walk her cute ass over and sit down with me after her stage set. Because a guy who gives her a dollar for stage tip is the most likely guy in the club to have additional dollars to give her for additional services.
In fact walking across the room hard on in pants to deliver a dollar to her G string is about the best signal a girl can get that there may be more money in this guys pocket he would like to give to her.
MM.
[QUOTE=Electronman;5866163]Great report MM. It reads like a Lonely Planet Guide to strip club mongering in Metro Detroit.
Thanks!![/QUOTE]Thanks Eman,
I always liked reading the lonely planet, although I don't think my musing are quite on their level, but I did do quite a bit of research on the topic.
MM.
Great work and the post is very much appreciated.
[QUOTE=Electronman;5866163]Great report MM. It reads like a Lonely Planet Guide to strip club mongering in Metro Detroit.
Thanks!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SevenSixfive;5865133]Bt Dearborn has optional valet? You saying that when you pull in you can just drive back to the lot and park? It always feels like you got to stop and let them take you keys.[/QUOTE]From what I've read, not my personal experience, you can park on the street and walk to BT's, no problem, but at Landing Strip they'll ask for your keys even if you aren't parked on their lot. Taking an uber might avoid the problem, I'm not sure.
So much good info. Need to find a way to keep a single doc (Something like yelp for strippers) so it can be searched while you are in the club. Thoughts?
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5865639]I have finished my Detroit engagement running for the past 9 months where I made 24 trips to the motor city. During those 24 trips I treated myself to 37 VIP sessions. I would often visit the VIP 2 times on the same night and one night I even went 3 times.
20 nights I went to BTs, 11 nights I went to Criket, and 3 nights I went to Dreamgirls. I typically started at BTs and if I couldn't find something I liked then changed to another club. I also followed dancers I enjoyed as they moved from club to club.
My approach looks & attitude:
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jay23;5867054]So much good info. Need to find a way to keep a single doc (Something like yelp for strippers) so it can be searched while you are in the club. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Perhaps order some bottle service, then read the threads and use the search functions and you'll be an expert in no time?