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[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3462694]You know, the way you win these fights is before you even text or call the provider; due diligence, it's called.
One of the best lessons mom ever taught me was "never ask a question in public you don't already know the answer to": if you have your intel lined up, your interactions with a provider (or a business contact, or whomever) are control, not fact-finding. And when you're in control, you smooth out the risks.
Twenty-five years of "the hobby" and I've never once been ripped off, or encountered a problematic friend or pimp, because before I've even arrived on the scene, I've handled everything.
If you're finding yourself having the discussion of how to handle a hostile pimp, it's time to step back a few hours, because where things went wrong was before you made the call.
O.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. Do you homework or stay home.
I've been hobbying for about 19 yrs and the worst that's happened is that I got catfished. Gave her 20 out of pity and left. And that was over a decade ago.
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[QUOTE=DonDoHer;3462922]She advertises on BP but has a website. Seems to dialogue only by text after the first call. 30 year old Has a nice place off I-85 and and. Druid Hills. Be patient, takes 4-5 texts to get to the door, but she's worth it. Petite and curvy. No rush. Covered. I did DATY first, then popped after 6 min. In doggie facing a mirror on wall. Note:. Something tells me this is an apt. shared by many with the leaseholder across the hall. I should have donated 1. 4. No more. I'll repeat.[/QUOTE]Nice. Looks like something I would make a donation to. Any links?
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[QUOTE=NuGuy36;3462388]IMHO, hobbyists who walk away rather than risk a conflagration with an uncooperative provider are infact the sensible ones. Why would I want to risk my career, my family, etc over a few pennies, it's always best to walk away to live to fight another day. There are other ways to get back at a provider posing as a ripoff scamster.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, however some mongers have a lot LESS to lose than others.
Also some people place their diginity over all else, and getting scammed is viewed as disrespectful.
The trasman vs the doctor or lawyer. Of course the doctor or lawyer will walk away, because his license and 6 figure career is on the line. It's the trashman and factory workers who will stand up and fight back sometimes.
Also, I find it ridiculous some of the risks high earning men take. I was watching the entire season of dateline's "to catch a predator. " So many of those pedophiles we're doctors, building administrators, architects / engineers and other high profile occupations.
Why the hell did those rich, upper class old men risk their GREAT careers just to go after a underaged girl?
Now their faces are on camera and their old wives know they have been up to no good.
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[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3462694]You know, the way you win these fights is before you even text or call the provider; due diligence, it's called.
One of the best lessons mom ever taught me was "never ask a question in public you don't already know the answer to": if you have your intel lined up, your interactions with a provider (or a business contact, or whomever) are control, not fact-finding. And when you're in control, you smooth out the risks.
Twenty-five years of "the hobby" and I've never once been ripped off, or encountered a problematic friend or pimp, because before I've even arrived on the scene, I've handled everything.
If you're finding yourself having the discussion of how to handle a hostile pimp, it's time to step back a few hours, because where things went wrong was before you made the call.
O.[/QUOTE]I normally just call providers that have no AA and they mostly assume I'm always white over the phone and look confused once I get there. There was this one time I met a provider near the airport and when I arrived she seemed pretty nervous. And on my way walking down the hallway I saw a smaller black guy than myself and kinda got upset I was going to have to fuck this chick and she literally just got done fucking another guy. Anyway the tension was weird like she wasn't expecting to fuck and once I left I saw the same black guy and I heard "Oh did he leave already?" Which was weird because I literally walked by the guy. Honestly I like to avoid girls that have handlers having around.
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Iris
Iris is back in action in case anybody was waiting.
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[QUOTE=Han57;3461233]Oh No! This was (hopefully still is) my go to place for outcall. Young gal from Honduras named MonSe I see time after time after time. Try texting, if you don't get a response they very well could have changed apartments and or phone numbers. Also, they " close shop " for the day at 7 pm, as not to attract attention / have lots of traffic during the later part of day when most people are home from work. So, if you are calling after 7 pm, they may not answer the phone. However, they seem to change apartments every 6 months or so.[/QUOTE]Texted them last week and set an appointment at a hotel. I know they've moved.
A few times from apartment to apartment but I've never heard of them working out a hotel. They know my number and everything seemed cool but I canceled.
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[QUOTE=SexInTucson;3462608]IF I could interject and say that I know first hand of provides who put that famous clause in their profiles because of that very reason some of the time. I have been told that it is also more of a selling point where if they put that clause in their profile that they WILL increase traffic since some guys actually prefer that. Even though most who have that clause in their profile usually have AA handlers of some sort, but feed off of the insecurity of clients who like to see that the woman that are going to enter has not been entered by an AA. It is rare you see one that has that clause and it turns out well for the client, since as you put it, some will fight back while others will just walk away. The ones who walk away usually don't say anything and the cycle repeats itself.
The ones that fight back though usually initiate that clause to be advertise. It always baffles me when you read the rip off reports you see a common trend among the ads but most do not put 1+1 together at all. Smh. If anyone thinks a provider, especially a black one (LOL) who says the special clause has not done the "BBC" then I have a bridge to sell you in NY. Just saying, in the end it is more about marketing to the insecurities of others to drive up traffic then anything else and from what I know and here it obviously works so I'm not even sure if I can be mad at the provider when she does her games knowing the insecurity of her clients in the first place. It's a dangerous game since not all "others" are created equal, but the game overall is dangerous.[/QUOTE]A provider wants shared her roomie doesn't see AAs beacause she was once robbed. She herself doesn't see youngins because they don't like to pay.
To each their own I guess. Pity though because there are some nice ones out there with this restriction that I would love to smash.
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What's your strategy?
[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3462694]You know, the way you win these fights is before you even text or call the provider; due diligence, it's called.
One of the best lessons mom ever taught me was "never ask a question in public you don't already know the answer to": if you have your intel lined up, your interactions with a provider (or a business contact, or whomever) are control, not fact-finding. And when you're in control, you smooth out the risks.
Twenty-five years of "the hobby" and I've never once been ripped off, or encountered a problematic friend or pimp, because before I've even arrived on the scene, I've handled everything.
If you're finding yourself having the discussion of how to handle a hostile pimp, it's time to step back a few hours, because where things went wrong was before you made the call.
O.[/QUOTE]Do you (or anyone else) mind sharing what intel you gather and how?
What I do is some combination of the following:
-look for reviews on TER and USASG and eccie.
-search Google for the listed phone number.
-reverse search ad images.
Is there something else you do?
Is part of it directly contacting the provider? If so, how do you handle that?
I find I feel pretty confident with the ones with established reviews. The random BP girls scare though. I am not so great at sniffing out the legit ads.
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[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3463900]Do you (or anyone else) mind sharing what intel you gather and how?
What I do is some combination of the following:
-look for reviews on TER and USASG and eccie.
-search Google for the listed phone number.
-reverse search ad images.
Is there something else you do?
Is part of it directly contacting the provider? If so, how do you handle that?
I find I feel pretty confident with the ones with established reviews. The random BP girls scare though. I am not so great at sniffing out the legit ads.[/QUOTE]I will also check their number in FB search; at times, I'll use backgrounding sites like Goodhire or Spokeo. I've used reverse phone searches in the past, but with the phone turnaround time of providers, that's less useful.
Also, when I do contact a provider (I always text, because I hate talking on the phone), if I've done the above it's easier to social engineer a bit (like if they have a FB that says they're from Colorado, I can guide conversation to see if they confirm that, and so forth.) Probably total time is 10 minutes or less vetting a provider, but it saves enormous hassle and vastly increases the probability of a quality session.
The key point is that if I *cannot* find someone, I won't see them. They can have blazing hot photos, but if I can't find a social media footprint, I simply don't make the call.
Pro tip: Use Google's reverse image search to collect all the numbers they've used. If you kind of run a search chain, bouncing from photo to photo, you of course uncover a ton of old ads and usually a few numbers (if it's been one number the whole time, that's a good, stable sign!) Then you can run all those numbers in FB search or Google search, and you're more likely to hit a page. Sometimes you'll come up with an email address, too: Google that, of course, but also Google the mailbox extension, because you could find other kinds of accounts, like IG or snapchat.
For example, let's say you find tightNwet69@gmail.com in an old provider ad; Google search for tightNwet69 or @tightNwet69 may yield results, as she may use those as usernames elsewhere. I'll also straight up ask girls if they have IG; they're always desperate for "followers", so they'll eagerly divulge that info (9 times out of 10).
Final note: hitting on out of town and out of state ads (like a girl was in Tennessee or Maryland or someplace for a time) is at least a good sign that she's not an LE bust; LE doesn't cooperate interstate. Not foolproof, as the number could have been reassigned, but worth being mindful of. FWIW, once you have a real name (much harder for black girls who seem to live under an endless stream of nicknames even if they AREN'T hoes; you can assume that Tenycia Gettinmoney JaydensMom Cash is probably not a real name, regardless of what FB says), always Google (Name + Arrest + Georgia) to pull up arrest info and mug shots: I have discovered a few underage girls this way, since the arrest information often includes DOB.
It's a system!
O.
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Maddy is on BP now
Maddy has been around for a while as a UTR. She recently started advertising on BP. [URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/let-me-be-your-best-gfe-ever/70992253[/URL].
I have had many dreams with her. In my most recent one she got me started with some great BBBJ. I applied some lube and double fingered her ass and vag for a while to get her all warmed up. She came hard from the fingering. She mounted up and rode me in CG and RCG. I laid her face down and entered her prone bone style, pussy first then ass (gently there). Finally signaled the finish and she got on her knees on the floor and did a porn star worthy cum in the mouth scene.
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[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3464028]I will also check their number in FB search; at times, I'll use backgrounding sites like Goodhire or Spokeo. I've used reverse phone searches in the past, but with the phone turnaround time of providers, that's less useful.
etc
It's a system!
O.[/QUOTE]Wow this is great info. Thanks Oz. Wish I could bookmark this.
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Iris
[QUOTE=LetsTalkNow;3463604]Iris is back in action in case anybody was waiting.[/QUOTE]Who is Iris?
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Maddy right now
[QUOTE=Mrmojo69;3464201]Maddy has been around for a while as a UTR. She recently started advertising on BP. [URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/let-me-be-your-best-gfe-ever/70992253[/URL].
I have had many dreams with her. In my most recent one she got me started with some great BBBJ. I applied some lube and double fingered her ass and vag for a while to get her all warmed up. She came hard from the fingering. She mounted up and rode me in CG and RCG. I laid her face down and entered her prone bone style, pussy first then ass (gently there). Finally signaled the finish and she got on her knees on the floor and did a porn star worthy cum in the mouth scene.[/QUOTE]I hope she is prepared!
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[QUOTE=Mrmojo69;3464201]Maddy has been around for a while as a UTR. She recently started advertising on BP. [URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/let-me-be-your-best-gfe-ever/70992253[/URL].
I have had many dreams with her. In my most recent one she got me started with some great BBBJ. I applied some lube and double fingered her ass and vag for a while to get her all warmed up. She came hard from the fingering. She mounted up and rode me in CG and RCG. I laid her face down and entered her prone bone style, pussy first then ass (gently there). Finally signaled the finish and she got on her knees on the floor and did a porn star worthy cum in the mouth scene.[/QUOTE]WOW! She looks great. I understand she is available basically 9 am-5 pm, Mon-Friday type thing. What was the damage if you don't mind me asking.
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RE: Maddy
[QUOTE=Mrmojo69;3464201]Maddy has been around for a while as a UTR. She recently started advertising on BP. [URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/let-me-be-your-best-gfe-ever/70992253[/URL].
I have had many dreams with her. In my most recent one she got me started with some great BBBJ. I applied some lube and double fingered her ass and vag for a while to get her all warmed up. She came hard from the fingering. She mounted up and rode me in CG and RCG. I laid her face down and entered her prone bone style, pussy first then ass (gently there). Finally signaled the finish and she got on her knees on the floor and did a porn star worthy cum in the mouth scene.[/QUOTE]Very nice. What was the damage?
HolyDiver.