Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Chase Star; 1112222]If you refuse to acknowledge the irrefutability of governmental pronouncements and geographic measurements and have to resort to preposterous analogies, then it is YOU who are much dumber than I thought YOU were. Thank you for moving out of Tampa.

It all comes down to this: someone coming in from outside the area asked what the best stripclubs "in the area" were. From that perspective, the best stripclubs actually might not be in the arbitrarily restrictive area of Tampa (city proper) itself. TUSCL lists more than 40 stripjoints in the greater Tampa Bay area (ie a 45 minute or less drive from TIA) but only about half of those are in Tampa itself. It is perfectly reasonable for anybody besides one with such a myopic view as yours to advise that poster to consider a slightly broader array of options, including places which though they might be just 10-15 minutes further drive (depending on where he is based) , might also be arguably significantly better in terms of cost / quality, take-out options, etc. (actually if he is staying near the airport it may even be quicker to get to the clubs off Ulmerton in Pinellas than it would be to get to those on East Adamo in Brandon) [/QUOTE]You are missing the entire point of what started out as a pleasant exchange before you got involved you arrogant prick. The point is or was, there is a separate topic for posts related to Pasco county information and Pasco themed posts should not be placed in the Tampa or St. Pete thread. Out of town visitors find that mis-information to be confusing. But I guess that we all know that the great chase fart is way to smart to make that mistake.

I'm done wasting time with you on this.

And my point is that these are all closely related areas and that, even within this particular section of the forum, it is perfectly valid to mention in a response to a general question as to what are the best clubs in the "area" that there are also other clubs worth considering that are close enough to be considered part of this general area but which aren't in Tampa itself. Perhaps it would have been better for your delicate sensibilities to simply make that vague reference and suggest that the poster also pose the question in Pinellas and Pasco sections to get additional info. But then how then would you suggest he answer the inevitable question "so which are better, the clubs on Adamo or the ones on US19 in northern Pinellas and southern Pasco?" and what forum section would that belong in?

As far as simply making pleasant exchanges, I believe if you check back you'll see that it was actually you that first brought name calling and derogatory comments into the discussion when you accused others of being "stupid and lazy" and that was even before I posted anything at all on the subject. You then followed that up with your over-the-top sarcastic post about time travel and needing to study a globe directed toward me.

Jesus, guys. In the immortal words of Mick Jagger at Altamont,"Why are we fighting? We don't want to fight! Come on! Calm down!"

You're both right. Wook as a diehard Tampa Bay guy, yes, a lot of people around here seem to think that far southwest Pasco County is a world away.

Chase, as someone who thinks like anyone who has ever lived in any other large metro can't see where people think this is a "long trip."

One of the things that keeps the Tampa Bay area from ever being considered a large market. Which it is by any other metropolitan area standard. Is that Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater and Pasco all want to be considered their own little places.

I cringe when I hear people talk about how they don't go to Rays games because of "the drive."

Are you fucking kidding? I grew up on the south side of Chicago. About as far south as you can get and still be in the city limits. Driving to "my team's" ball park was still a 17 mile ride. No biggy. If the Cubs were the only team at home and you wanted to go to a game that day, no one thought twice about driving almost 30 miles to get there.

So I've never understood the mindset of this area, regarding where people say they are from. Tampa is the largest city. That's where I tell people I'm from. That's where I'm working, now. Just quit a job in Pasco to take the one in Tampa and I live in Pinellas! I've had people wonder why I'm not trying to sell my house to move closer to work. Are you kidding me? I'm in the Tampa Bay metro in all those places.

I mean, half the people you meet who say they are from Chicago or Cleveland or Minneapolis or any other large city are actually from their suburbs. They just don't want to explain where "Hinsdale" is. So they say,"Chicago."

But Good Christ, ask someone from here where they live and you'll hear all sorts of places no one has ever heard of, like Dunedin or Palm Harbor. Or, for the most part, even Clearwater and St. Petersburg.

The urban / suburban sprawl of the greater Tampa Bay area most certainly encompasses all of Hillsborough and Pinellas and a good chunk of Pasco.

I've worked and mongered through all three counties for two decades with no problems or complaints about the distance. But I guess when you grow up in a city whose far south boundary to far north boundary spans over fifty miles, this isn't even a mindset I can get into, thinking that it's a long way from Tampa to New Port Richey.

[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski; 1112516]J.

I've worked and mongered through all three counties for two decades with no problems or complaints about the distance. But I guess when you grow up in a city whose far south boundary to far north boundary spans over fifty miles, this isn't even a mindset I can get into, thinking that it's a long way from Tampa to New Port Richey. [/QUOTE]Amen to that. Some of you guys have no idea how far a dedicated monger will travel to partake of the moist warmth of the dancing girls and escorts of Central North West Florida (or is it West Central North Florida?)

So. Uh. Er. Oh yeah! Where are the hot girls with extras? .

[QUOTE=Loafer Boat;1112893]So. Uh. Er. Oh yeah! Where are the hot girls with extras? .[/QUOTE]The other guys on this forum have all the up to date info, but I've visited Tampa for SC and escorts for several years and find: 1. Hottest girls at Mons, never any extras (no booths) (I was offered a freebie BJ in the parking lot once but ran out of time) ; 2. Hot girls at 2001, sometimes extras (in the space capsule or whatever the fuck they call it these days) ; 3. Less consistent hotness at YS but always extras. Nothing illegal though. Just mah vyews.

[QUOTE=Loafer Boat;1112893]So. Uh. Er. Oh yeah! Where are the hot girls with extras? .[/QUOTE]Ok I'm not big on the strip clubs, but if my best friend came to town and wanted to see the nude clubs, I would take him to Mons for the best looking young girls, then across the street to 2001 to see the best of the rest. Then for the "finish" we would go across town to Scarlet's at Ybor Strip. Hot girls, extras can happen.

So, I hope this answers the question with less BS.

[QUOTE=Loafer Boat;1112893]So. Uh. Er. Oh yeah! Where are the hot girls with extras? .[/QUOTE]IMHE, you may find some hot girls in some of the "Real" Tampa clubs who will provide "extras" but any of those extras will usually cost a lot extra. In other words, there is usually a major upsell if you want anything beyond simple frottage. If you're looking for hot girls who will provide "extras" without charging you a lot extra (e.g. 1-2hr f/s outcalls for $100-150) , then you really should drive about 20 minutes west across the Howard Frankland to an area that I guess we aren't allowed to talk about here. Heck, I've even gotten in-club f/s from really hot dancers in clubs in "nearby areas" for just the price of a couple of cheap lap dances, but for some of you that might not be worth the cost of an extra gallon of gas.

Now if the question was "where would you take your best friend if he came to town and just wanted to see the nude club" (and it didn't matter so much whether he got any extras) as Skiper sort of rephrased it then I might agree with his assessment. The clubs he mentioned are all full-nude as opposed to the "bikini clubs" where the tops often come off but the most you'll get on stage is a glimpse of the pussy as the panty crotch gets pulled aside. Unfortunately, with one exception (that is not at all worth going to) all the clubs on the other side of the HF are "bikini clubs" (southern Pasco like Hillsborough is more mixed). OTOH, nude clubs don't serve alcohol and most pressure you instead to buy overpriced O'Douls or warm Coca Cola (I usually just stick to the bottled water). The "bikini clubs" in other "nearby areas" offer full alcohol and several even offer very reasonably priced (or in one case sometimes even free) beer and well drinks and, as I suggested earlier, whatever you can't see on stage you will usually be able to see and then some in the private areas. So the answer to the question really comes down to what factors are really most important to you. Categorically coming up with an absolute "best" list is always gonna be inordinately subjective and useless without further elaboration and qualification.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1112901]The other guys on this forum have all the up to date info, but I've visited Tampa for SC and escorts for several years and find: 1. Hottest girls at Mons, never any extras (no booths) (I was offered a freebie BJ in the parking lot once but ran out of time) ; 2. Hot girls at 2001, sometimes extras (in the space capsule or whatever the fuck they call it these days) ; 3. Less consistent hotness at YS but always extras. Nothing illegal though. Just mah vyews.[/QUOTE]As I was slowly tapping out my answer on a mobile devise, Lit2 was typing in the same three club names for just about the same reasons I gave. Weird but true, I thought the original question was about nude clubs. So that was all I recomended. I'm sure extras happen at other non nude clubs. I have had extras at bikini clubs. But you guys know me I like the ladies of the road. Sometimes I find strippers out on the street where real fun can happen!

I had full intensions of going there last night. I got there around 11:30pm, but on the drive-by it looked rough, there were no parking spots out front, and there were THUG looking guys by the liquor store that appeared to be just hanging out. I could not tell if there was parking across the street or if it was a used car lot. I thought about parking around back, but then opted out since not really knowing where parking was allowed and I was solo.

How big is the club? There seemed to be a lot of cars there from what I was expecting. Unless across the street is a used car lot then it just seemed like the safest parking is right in front by the entrance.

[QUOTE=Skiper;1112955]As I was slowly tapping out my answer on a mobile devise, Lit2 was typing in the same three club names for just about the same reasons I gave. Weird but true, I thought the original question was about nude clubs. So that was all I recomended. I'm sure extras happen at other non nude clubs. I have had extras at bikini clubs. But you guys know me I like the ladies of the road. Sometimes I find strippers out on the street where real fun can happen![/QUOTE]I like strippers outside the clubs too, but I don't find them on the street. The few I've taken out have been really good fucks, unlike many low grade escorts. Now a first class escort cannot be beat, but a run of the mill escort is often just putting up with your jumping on her bones because thats her job. A stripper who doesn't think of herself as an escort A. Knows how to turn men on; and B. Is a little nervous about actually having sex with a customer. The combination can be great because she can be a true GFE. Thats my opinion anyway, I'm sure others think differently. One of the three squirters I've had in my life was a stripper, not from Tampa, who I pestered to come out with me for weeks. When she finally did, she was so worked up she ejaculated all over me from cowgirl. She said she thought maybe she should have tried older men earlier. She was 22. Unfortunately the relationship got sticky with phone calls at all hours and so on but eventually she left for Colorado with her two kids to rejoin her husband.

I think Skiper must have been referring to the actual streetwalker scene as opposed to strippers either inside or outside the club. You don't find too many actual strippers out on the street or at least none of any real quality. Any halfway decent looking stripper can get all the contacts she needs from her customers inside the club without having to resort to the riskiness of the street. More likely, if you find a (former) stripper plying her services out on the street, she is on the tail end of her decline and no longer even really working as a stripper (at any place decent). But I'm with you on 99% of what you just said.

First off, there is a definite difference between the bargain basement escorts who may see several clients a day and for whom the sex has become like a run of the mill assembly line and higher-end escorts who are more likely to see fewer clients and provide GFE. But that is not 100, you can run into higher-priced escorts who, though they may be beautiful and even provide decent service still seem to be lacking something and at the other end much lower priced escorts who, though they may not be absolute 10's, are really into the sex and somehow manage to provide the GFE despite whatever number of clients they wind up seeing. But, before anyone else says it, those observations are really in the wrong thread.

However, the other part of what you said really struck a chord with me. I don't remember the last time I went with a BP or CL girl, and that used to be my main outlet. Since, I've learned how to work it, I've pulled several strippers from clubs that provide GFE well beyond anything any escort ever did and typically for at lot less than the full-time escorts around here normally charge (or at least if you ignore the "recruiting" costs inside the clubs). And, as you suggested, a big part of that is because most of them don't see themselves as working as prostitutes (more on the contradictions of that in a moment) and so don't act that way with you. Here again, there are certainly always exceptions. There are some strippers who give out their numbers like you or I would give out tic-tacs. And for them it can be just as much a business as it is for any escort. Sometimes they still provide GFE quality service, sometimes not. Sometimes they make no bones about it being a business and sometimes they try to maintain the illusion that what they do is somehow not prostitution. Then there are those who you have to work a little harder at, establish more of a rapporte before they will agree to see you outside the club. The funny thing is that many of these girls will do extras inside the club at various levels right up to f / s and yet somehow don't see that as being the same thing as being a hooker. And even the ones who may not do as much inside the club but will do things outside the club with the right guys (in exchange for a little financial help, of course) often still don't see what they do as prostitution.

The real prizes, of course, are the ones who have just started exploring this way of making some additional money. They might not normally consider having sex with an older guy, but (assuming the guy is nice to them and not to disgusting) will consider with enough sweet talk or added financial inducement and often once they do discover that those older guys they hadn't previously considered often know a lot more about pleasing a woman than the younger punks they are normally used to. This is why, once they've found a customer they feel comfortable seeing outside the club they will usually be content with a lot less money than those BP / CL escorts normally require or even start calling them up with discounted offers when they need extra cash or are feeling particularly horny. When that happens, I've found the real trick is to not let the rate go too low. After all, in a way we're never really paying for sex either, we're paying them to leave. And at some point the trade-off with lower rates is having to deal with their crazy shit more and they become almost like real girlfriends. And believe me you almost never want a stripper for an actual girlfriend. There is usually way oo much drama (often including drugs) and illogic in their personal lives.

The fun part for me is hunting for the strippers who will come out (for a reasonable price) and provide the best service for the least amount of effort and expense on my part, knowing how to spot the most likely candidates (and test them out without spending a small fortune in VIP). Slutty enough on stage and in the private dancing areas to suggest they might go for me but not so slutty that they might turn out too hard-core or worse screwed up in the head. And then managing the relationship so that you can ride it out as long as possible until its inevitable end or deterioration. For some (many) guys it may not be worth the extra effort and they'd rather spend a little more to just be able to call a girl from an ad and go right out and get laid or pay a little less and take their chances on a quickie out on the street. IMHO, there is no one right way to go about this hobby and what works for one guy might not for somebody else.

[QUOTE=Chase Star; 1113999]I think Skiper must have been referring to the actual streetwalker scene as opposed to strippers either inside or outside the club. You don't find too many actual strippers out on the street or at least none of any real quality. Any halfway decent looking stripper can get all the contacts she needs from her customers inside the club without having to resort to the riskiness of the street. More likely, if you find a (former) stripper plying her services out on the street, she is on the tail end of her decline and no longer even really working as a stripper (at any place decent). But I'm with you on 99% of what you just said.

First off, there is a definite difference between the bargain basement escorts who may see several clients a day and for whom the sex has become like a run of the mill assembly line and higher-end escorts who are more likely to see fewer clients and provide GFE. But that is not 100, you can run into higher-priced escorts who, though they may be beautiful and even provide decent service still seem to be lacking something and at the other end much lower priced escorts who, though they may not be absolute 10's, are really into the sex and somehow manage to provide the GFE despite whatever number of clients they wind up seeing. But, before anyone else says it, those observations are really in the wrong thread.

However, the other part of what you said really struck a chord with me. I don't remember the last time I went with a BP or CL girl, and that used to be my main outlet. Since, I've learned how to work it, I've pulled several strippers from clubs that provide GFE well beyond anything any escort ever did and typically for at lot less than the full-time escorts around here normally charge (or at least if you ignore the "recruiting" costs inside the clubs). And, as you suggested, a big part of that is because most of them don't see themselves as working as prostitutes (more on the contradictions of that in a moment) and so don't act that way with you. Here again, there are certainly always exceptions. There are some strippers who give out their numbers like you or I would give out tic-tacs. And for them it can be just as much a business as it is for any escort. Sometimes they still provide GFE quality service, sometimes not. Sometimes they make no bones about it being a business and sometimes they try to maintain the illusion that what they do is somehow not prostitution. Then there are those who you have to work a little harder at, establish more of a rapporte before they will agree to see you outside the club. The funny thing is that many of these girls will do extras inside the club at various levels right up to f / s and yet somehow don't see that as being the same thing as being a hooker. And even the ones who may not do as much inside the club but will do things outside the club with the right guys (in exchange for a little financial help, of course) often still don't see what they do as prostitution.

The real prizes, of course, are the ones who have just started exploring this way of making some additional money. They might not normally consider having sex with an older guy, but (assuming the guy is nice to them and not to disgusting) will consider with enough sweet talk or added financial inducement and often once they do discover that those older guys they hadn't previously considered often know a lot more about pleasing a woman than the younger punks they are normally used to. This is why, once they've found a customer they feel comfortable seeing outside the club they will usually be content with a lot less money than those BP / CL escorts normally require or even start calling them up with discounted offers when they need extra cash or are feeling particularly horny. When that happens, I've found the real trick is to not let the rate go too low. After all, in a way we're never really paying for sex either, we're paying them to leave. And at some point the trade-off with lower rates is having to deal with their crazy shit more and they become almost like real girlfriends. And believe me you almost never want a stripper for an actual girlfriend. There is usually way oo much drama (often including drugs) and illogic in their personal lives.

The fun part for me is hunting for the strippers who will come out (for a reasonable price) and provide the best service for the least amount of effort and expense on my part, knowing how to spot the most likely candidates (and test them out without spending a small fortune in VIP). Slutty enough on stage and in the private dancing areas to suggest they might go for me but not so slutty that they might turn out too hard-core or worse screwed up in the head. And then managing the relationship so that you can ride it out as long as possible until its inevitable end or deterioration. For some (many) guys it may not be worth the extra effort and they'd rather spend a little more to just be able to call a girl from an ad and go right out and get laid or pay a little less and take their chances on a quickie out on the street. IMHO, there is no one right way to go about this hobby and what works for one guy might not for somebody else. [/QUOTE]How true and profound is this? Never thought of it this way but it's so true.

Congratulations on your insight and perception.

Happy 2011 to all from the UK.

Stay safe,

Beady

[QUOTE=Chase Star; 1113999]Since, I've learned how to work it, I've pulled several strippers from clubs that provide GFE well beyond anything any escort ever did and typically for at lot less than the full-time escorts around here normally charge (or at least if you ignore the "recruiting" costs inside the clubs). *

This is why, once they've found a customer they feel comfortable seeing outside the club they will usually be content with a lot less money than those BP / CL escorts normally require or even start calling them up with discounted offers when they need extra cash or are feeling particularly horny. When that happens, I've found the real trick is to not let the rate go too low. *

The fun part for me is hunting for the strippers who will come out (for a reasonable price) and provide the best service for the least amount of effort and expense on my part, knowing how to spot the most likely candidates (and test them out without spending a small fortune in VIP). Slutty enough on stage and in the private dancing areas to suggest they might go for me but not so slutty that they might turn out too hard-core or worse screwed up in the head. And then managing the relationship so that you can ride it out as long as possible until its inevitable end or deterioration. *[/QUOTE]This is interesting and useful stuff. Not for everyone, I know. I too love the chase, will she or won't she? And it's not like you are cruising a girls' high school picnic or hitting on the ladies in the church choir. The girls in SC are already in the sex industry. Of course the customers are going to hit on them. The girls get propositioned 10 times a day. What's the best way for a monger to separate himself from the crowd if he's an old guy and doesn't have the physical attributes of yesteryear? You can try expressions of love and devotion, and you can try spending lots of money, but the trick is how to get on the girl outside the club and into her pussy or mouth where you can release some of those 100 million pesky little spermatazoa you create every day without doing either. Suggestions are appreciated.

Come on, Chase. Elaborate a little more on "how to work it." Sometimes I get trapped into spending way too much in the VIP on a girl I'm sure is going to spread her legs for me outside the club but it turns out I'm the one who's being played. How best to avoid this?

I think I've only taken 3. 5 girls out from SC. (1) 22 year old squirter who went back to Colorado as I've already discussed. (2) a voluptuous 30 year old, huge natural rack, long black hair, tiny waist, hispanic-german ethnic mix, wanted to be an artist. I worked on her for a month, finally got her to take me home and I am getting lathered up and start to put on a condom when she says "no condoms." WTF! She kept this rule for the 5-6 sessions I saw her so I had to release between her tits or on her belly or in her hand. I didn't see her for a couple months. When I returned she was pregnant. The woman wanted a baby and if I had gone along with her "no condoms" policy and fucked her anyway I'd be the dad. A close call. Whew. (3) the girl with the best moves in the VIP I ever saw was not in Tampa. Not that she would get you off in the club, but she was just so erotic. I spent a ton of dinero on her dances. No bareback contact though. Her panties stayed on. One day she is driving me wild with her moves and suddenly bends down and pulls at my belt and somehow gets her tongue down to the top of my dick which she licks a couple times, then backs up and dances away again. I'd asked her out before this, the answer always was "Sorry. I'm engaged." This time I just said,"Ashley are you ever going to let me take your panties off?" and she said "Yes." We met about a half dozen times in a hotel, it was great but started to get a little wacky when she called me up and went on and on about how she loved what we were doing. What does this mean? I'm thinking. I didn't see her again, but she called just before her wedding and asked if I wanted to have "one last session." I said no. This was from a girl who said before out first session "You know this is just business, right?" (3. 5) I got a screwball 19 year old Hungarian dancer, tall and perfect and pretty, out of a club in Toronto. She let me play with her clit until she came and offered a HJ, saying she would consider FS later on account of how she had to get used to our age difference. I was drained from another girl earlier in the day and declined the HJ. Her upper arms were covered with scars which I couldn't see in the club. They were from cutting herself. She called me constantly for a month, shrieking into the phone about how she needed money. I had to change my phone.