[QUOTE=TbWasHere;1558969]I got to see her a few months ago, I definately want to see her again. I will repeat. So far she is one of my Anchorage favorites.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys.
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[QUOTE=TbWasHere;1558969]I got to see her a few months ago, I definately want to see her again. I will repeat. So far she is one of my Anchorage favorites.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys.
YGBSM!
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[quote=kool dragon; 1560050]ygbsm!
[url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/femaleescorts/very-big-bbw-22/3124328[/url][/quote]thar she blows!
[QUOTE=SteveInAlaska;1559515]Lots of new talent in town this week, I might have to spend my pfd on my favorite hobby. Most that I've checked seen legit. I will report my findings.[/QUOTE]Definitely let us know. There's two blonde bikini babes I've got my eye on.
[QUOTE=SteveInAlaska;1559515]Lots of new talent in town this week, I might have to spend my pfd on my favorite hobby. Most that I've checked seen legit. I will report my findings.[/QUOTE]There are also a lot of new fakes. Drop the pics into google image search and you will see quite a few of the new beauties have borrowed pics. Careful out there.
[QUOTE=Kool Dragon;1558388]Elena has advertised many times before, but I've never seen a review on her. As for the other two, my gut says straight up fake.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you feel that I am fake! But I assure you that I am not! You can easily google my name & number & several glowing reviews pop up & even my porn video will pop up as well! And the girl Amya you also claim to be fake is real as well!
It's 100% us or we pay you!
[QUOTE=NikkiSpeer; 1560726]I'm sorry you feel that I am fake! But I assure you that I am not! You can easily google my name & number & several glowing reviews pop up & even my porn video will pop up as well! And the girl Amya you also claim to be fake is real as well!
It's 100% us or we pay you![/QUOTE]I don't believe he was referring to you miss spear. I look forward to vouching for you myself. The ads I think he mentioned were already taken down. Correct me if I am wrong.
However, I can vouch for Elena, I once had a couple dreams about her. IN my dreams she showed me to like it slow and soft and makes my dream very well worth it. So if you dream about Elena, be gentle and treat her like a lady.
I do believe I have seen Roci in a different city, if it the same girl then I think you too could have a great dream.
How the heck does one choose?
Kae Kae is back.
Roci is cute.
Nikki Speer is Hot.
Elena is smokin!
Whats a guy to do?
[QUOTE=AKwankerman; 1561060]I don't believe he was referring to you miss spear. I look forward to vouching for you myself. The ads I think he mentioned were already taken down. Correct me if I am wrong.
However, I can vouch for Elena, I once had a couple dreams about her. IN my dreams she showed me to like it slow and soft and makes my dream very well worth it. So if you dream about Elena, be gentle and treat her like a lady.
I do believe I have seen Roci in a different city, if it the same girl then I think you too could have a great dream.[/QUOTE]OK Gentleman, I'm going to vent in a big way! A few reports down you will see that I put out a post asking for advise on a couple new HOT posts. I apologize for not posting earlier but this is my earliest available time. Anyway, She has since dropped her post but I'm going to warn you all to watch for the up sells. I visited one of those 928 prefixes from Az and 1st of all she wasn't the girl in the pic. She had huge saggy boobs, very large ass and piss poor attitude! When I walked in she was very occomodating and nice but I knew she wasn't the one in the pic. I stayed because I wanted to play with those big tits. She quoted me a price of $$ but when she felt comfortable started immediately upselling. She told me if I wanted to do everything it was $$$. I laid down $ more, being stupid. She started with a CBJ which was just to get the condom on. Then she told me not to loose my load because that would be it. 1 pop. WTF! I just paid $$$. She then laid on the couch and said to get on top. I was in and PUSHED out in less than 15 minutes. Again WTF, I paid for an hour +. I would not repeat and if anyone of you providers ever start upselling or tell me only 1 pop I"m OTD. I don't believe we should pay until the end of the session either. This would keep these bitches honest. I'm pissed that I wasted that money for a big fat nothing. She told me she had a friend down in the bar she'd call up for an extra $$$$$. I'm assuming it's either this Roci or Nikki Spears chic.
I would definitely not visit again!
At least with the AMP's you know what your getting!
Just be aware of these new chics visiting. They all know of the PFD money and want it.
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul; 1561607]OK Gentleman, I'm going to vent in a big way! A few reports down you will see that I put out a post asking for advise on a couple new HOT posts. I apologize for not posting earlier but this is my earliest available time. Anyway, She has since dropped her post but I'm going to warn you all to watch for the up sells. I visited one of those 928 prefixes from Az and 1st of all she wasn't the girl in the pic. She had huge saggy boobs, very large ass and piss poor attitude! When I walked in she was very occomodating and nice but I knew she wasn't the one in the pic. I stayed because I wanted to play with those big tits. She quoted me a price of $$ but when she felt comfortable started immediately upselling. She told me if I wanted to do everything it was $$$. I laid down $ more, being stupid. She started with a CBJ which was just to get the condom on. Then she told me not to loose my load because that would be it. 1 pop. WTF! I just paid $$$. She then laid on the couch and said to get on top. I was in and PUSHED out in less than 15 minutes. Again WTF, I paid for an hour +. I would not repeat and if anyone of you providers ever start upselling or tell me only 1 pop I"m OTD. I don't believe we should pay until the end of the session either. This would keep these bitches honest. I'm pissed that I wasted that money for a big fat nothing. She told me she had a friend down in the bar she'd call up for an extra $$$$$. I'm assuming it's either this Roci or Nikki Spears chic.
I would definitely not visit again!
At least with the AMP's you know what your getting!
Just be aware of these new chics visiting. They all know of the PFD money and want it.[/QUOTE]Of all the women posting in BP right now, there are only two I will vouch for: Kae Kae and Jordan. I'd add Charlie to that list but I think she finally left (right before PFD time too = really dumb, but whatever) You don't have to take my word for it though, as all three have multiple reviews all over the place, all positive. If you can book time with them, and it'll probably be busy this weekend, that's who I'd go see. You will NOT be disappointed.
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul; 1561607]OK Gentleman, I'm going to vent in a big way! A few reports down you will see that I put out a post asking for advise on a couple new HOT posts. I apologize for not posting earlier but this is my earliest available time. Anyway, She has since dropped her post but I'm going to warn you all to watch for the up sells. I visited one of those 928 prefixes from Az and 1st of all she wasn't the girl in the pic. She had huge saggy boobs, very large ass and piss poor attitude! When I walked in she was very occomodating and nice but I knew she wasn't the one in the pic. I stayed because I wanted to play with those big tits. She quoted me a price of $$ but when she felt comfortable started immediately upselling. She told me if I wanted to do everything it was $$$. I laid down $ more, being stupid. She started with a CBJ which was just to get the condom on. Then she told me not to loose my load because that would be it. 1 pop. WTF! I just paid $$$. She then laid on the couch and said to get on top. I was in and PUSHED out in less than 15 minutes. Again WTF, I paid for an hour +. I would not repeat and if anyone of you providers ever start upselling or tell me only 1 pop I"m OTD. I don't believe we should pay until the end of the session either. This would keep these bitches honest. I'm pissed that I wasted that money for a big fat nothing. She told me she had a friend down in the bar she'd call up for an extra $$$$$. I'm assuming it's either this Roci or Nikki Spears chic.
I would definitely not visit again!
At least with the AMP's you know what your getting!
Just be aware of these new chics visiting. They all know of the PFD money and want it.[/QUOTE]I'm a little surprised at you post, and I wonder if you may have made the wrong association. There was another girl here from Phx, I think, that was not associated, that I know of with Roci, Nikki and Amya. I think you should have given her name since you did such a good job of warning us against them. I am hoping you made a mistake in associating the person you saw and these three, since they have good reviews and look nice. On the chance you were right, I cancelled. I hope you can clarify who you saw. If you are right, thanks for the heads up and I'm sorry you got taken advantage of.
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul; 1561607]OK Gentleman, I'm going to vent in a big way! A few reports down you will see that I put out a post asking for advise on a couple new HOT posts. I apologize for not posting earlier but this is my earliest available time. Anyway, She has since dropped her post but I'm going to warn you all to watch for the up sells. I visited one of those 928 prefixes from Az and 1st of all she wasn't the girl in the pic. She had huge saggy boobs, very large ass and piss poor attitude! When I walked in she was very occomodating and nice but I knew she wasn't the one in the pic. I stayed because I wanted to play with those big tits. She quoted me a price of $$ but when she felt comfortable started immediately upselling. She told me if I wanted to do everything it was $$$. I laid down $ more, being stupid. She started with a CBJ which was just to get the condom on. Then she told me not to loose my load because that would be it. 1 pop. WTF! I just paid $$$. She then laid on the couch and said to get on top. I was in and PUSHED out in less than 15 minutes. Again WTF, I paid for an hour +. I would not repeat and if anyone of you providers ever start upselling or tell me only 1 pop I"m OTD. I don't believe we should pay until the end of the session either. This would keep these bitches honest. I'm pissed that I wasted that money for a big fat nothing. She told me she had a friend down in the bar she'd call up for an extra $$$$$. I'm assuming it's either this Roci or Nikki Spears chic.
I would definitely not visit again!
At least with the AMP's you know what your getting!
Just be aware of these new chics visiting. They all know of the PFD money and want it.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you saw that girl and was upset! But I assure you didn't see me or Roci because neither one of us has big boobs or butt LOL and our pictures are 100% us! We have to many reviews saying we are reviews! Check out my own personal site [url]www.wix.com/nikkispeer01/exoticerotic[/url] Or check out my porn on exploitedcollegegirls. Com as Nina! So you probably got your girls confused! I also give msog with the hr! N I know I didn't see you because I never get complaints and I have Only seen a few guys and I was adored!
But I am sorry you saw that girl and was wronged by her! But I assure you it wasn't me or any of my gfs you saw! I'd be happy to see you and make you forget all about that ***** and make it up too you and show AZ girls do it best.
[QUOTE=Cash907;1561639]Of all the women posting in BP right now, there are only two I will vouch for: Kae Kae and Jordan. I'd add Charlie to that list but I think she finally left (right before PFD time too = really dumb, but whatever) You don't have to take my word for it though, as all three have multiple reviews all over the place, all positive. If you can book time with them, and it'll probably be busy this weekend, that's who I'd go see. You will NOT be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Agree. These girls aren't up here to provide a good service, all they want is the $$$ honey. They just want to screw as many people out of their money as they can, No pun intended.
[QUOTE=NikkiSpeer; 1561836]I'm sorry you saw that girl and was upset! But I assure you didn't see me or Roci because neither one of us has big boobs or butt LOL and our pictures are 100% us! We have to many reviews saying we are reviews! Check out my own personal site.
[url]www.wix.com/nikkispeer01/exoticerotic[/url]
Or check out my porn on exploitedcollegegirls. Com as Nina! So you probably got your girls confused! I also give msog with the hr! N I know I didn't see you because I never get complaints and I have Only seen a few guys and I was adored!
But I am sorry you saw that girl and was wronged by her! But I assure you it wasn't me or any of my gfs you saw! I'd be happy to see you and make you forget all about that * and make it up too you and show AZ girls do it best.[/QUOTE] (N€W) FL¡RTy (€ X o T ¡ C &10084; BRUNETTE &10084; P L a ¥ m A T €).22 (Alaska. (Incall)
The girl went by Carmen. Above is her title to the BP add. She also told me she lived in Las Vegas, so don't know why she had an Az area code
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul; 1561981] (N€W) FL¡RTy (€ X o T ¡ C &10084; BRUNETTE &10084; P L a ¥ m A T €).22 (Alaska. (Incall)
The girl went by Carmen. Above is her title to the BP add. She also told me she lived in Las Vegas, so don't know why she had an Az area code[/QUOTE]That ad is gone now. Ain't if funny how fast they disappear after the girl has been busted out?
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul; 1561981] (N€W) FL¡RTy (€ X o T ¡ C &10084; BRUNETTE &10084; P L a ¥ m A T €).22 (Alaska. (Incall)
The girl went by Carmen. Above is her title to the BP add. She also told me she lived in Las Vegas, so don't know why she had an Az area code[/QUOTE]Okay, you made it seem like it was me or Roci! That Carmen is not with us! Me & my girls consist of Me (Nikki Speer) , Amya, Roci & Kae Kae. & Kae and Roci have been out here several times and highly reviewed! I'm from Az highly reviewed and famous in Az! Amya is new but has a few very good reviews! & we are the few that enjoy our job and pride ourselves on quality not quantity! That's why we stay in 4star+ hotels and resorts and very discreet! We make sure you want to see us time and time again! Yes we know about PFD several of guys have told us and can now afford us! But we def make sure you get your bang for your buck.
I sent you a PM, please respond. Thanks!
I can vouch for ms. Speer I seen her the first day she arrived and my experience was totally opposite. I had a great experience with her she small sexy and very nice and energetic. She loves what she does and is very very good at it. I highly recommend and look forward to seeing her again.
I can vouch for Kae Kae. She is hands down one of the hottest women I've ever seen. Her body is freaking perfect, and to top it off, she's a total sweetheart.
I haven't seen Nikki (yet) but I did homework and found several positive reviews.
Wonder if Nikki and Kae Kae do duos. How decadent would that be.
I've not met her, and based on where she's staying makes me a little nervous, I had a near miss a couple years ago with LE at that hotel.
She Looks incredible, think I woke her up this morning trying to make an appointment so I went and spent some quality time with LuLu, (great as always). Would like to dream of KaeKae tomorrow if anyone can allay my concerns.
[QUOTE=SteveInAlaska; 1562512]I've not met her, and based on where she's staying makes me a little nervous, I had a near miss a couple years ago with LE at that hotel.
She Looks incredible, think I woke her up this morning trying to make an appointment so I went and spent some quality time with LuLu, (great as always). Would like to dream of KaeKae tomorrow if anyone can allay my concerns.[/QUOTE]Check her reviews. Google her. She is legit.
[QUOTE=SteveInAlaska; 1562512]I've not met her, and based on where she's staying makes me a little nervous, I had a near miss a couple years ago with LE at that hotel.
She Looks incredible, think I woke her up this morning trying to make an appointment so I went and spent some quality time with LuLu, (great as always). Would like to dream of KaeKae tomorrow if anyone can allay my concerns.[/QUOTE]Search the forum, Kae Kae has been around here in the past, and is well reviewed elsewhere.
On a side note, Ill be in Anchorage this weekend, probably not a great time to visit with PFD season, hope there aren't too many shenanigans. At least there is an abundance of new faces in town, I suspect there are alot of fakes and scams though.
Be safe
[QUOTE=Minyme; 1562910]Search the forum, Kae Kae has been around here in the past, and is well reviewed elsewhere.
On a side note, Ill be in Anchorage this weekend, probably not a great time to visit with PFD season, hope there aren't too many shenanigans. At least there is an abundance of new faces in town, I suspect there are alot of fakes and scams though.
Be safe[/QUOTE]Wow she is incredible. At least she was in my dream an hour ago. Thanks guys for the validations. Would repeat and probably will soon. What a looker and sweet definatly non-GFE but can't have it all.
So far I can vouch for the following providers:
Mia.
Elena.
Jordon.
SUPER MODEL LOOKS- (though not my first my choice)
I attempted to contact Nikki, but no avail, so I tried Roci, she mistakenly thought I was someone else and sent me some mean texts until she realized she mixed me up with some disrespectful douche bag. Too bad, she looks so sweet and adorable in her pics. Pitty.
Was hoping to try someone new, but I suppose ill have to dream about Jordon tomorrow because she is just fantastic and there is never any kind of game or B. S. Jordon Rules!
I'm back in the game after a short run of insanity (live in gf) and want to celebrate with two girls. I found this add:
[url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/follow-ur-desiresand-all-your-guilty-pleasuresso-sexypure-bliss-3439073-21/3065319[/url]
But don't know anything about them. An AMP dream would be great too. Let me know what you know! Thanks. John
[QUOTE=AKwankerman; 1563696]So far I can vouch for the following providers:
Mia.
Elena.
Jordon.
SUPER MODEL LOOKS- (though not my first my choice)
I attempted to contact Nikki, but no avail, so I tried Roci, she mistakenly thought I was someone else and sent me some mean texts until she realized she mixed me up with some disrespectful douche bag. Too bad, she looks so sweet and adorable in her pics. Pitty.
Was hoping to try someone new, but I suppose ill have to dream about Jordon tomorrow because she is just fantastic and there is never any kind of game or B. S. Jordon Rules![/QUOTE]Is Jordan still in town I thought she left
Any info on this one? Talk about built for fucking. .
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Had a dream about Sage a while back (maybe a month ago). She was older than noted in the picture and post, but was still do able. I'd say she was in the 49-53 range. She had a location in the spenard area that was comfortable and clean. She was a bit nervous and kept asking me if I was LE or if I was concerned about LE which in turn kind of made me nervous. However, after some conversation and pleasantries all was cool as a cucumber. One thing that is for sure, the lady likes to talk. A lot. I had seen this in a prior post and it is true. Experience was unrushed. BBBJ with a choke, cow, and rough deep mish. $$ which included a bit extra. She was a bit rough around the edges but I would repeat.
[QUOTE=AKwankerman; 1563696]So far I can vouch for the following providers:
Mia.
Elena.
Jordon.
SUPER MODEL LOOKS- (though not my first my choice)
I attempted to contact Nikki, but no avail, so I tried Roci, she mistakenly thought I was someone else and sent me some mean texts until she realized she mixed me up with some disrespectful douche bag. Too bad, she looks so sweet and adorable in her pics. Pitty.
Was hoping to try someone new, but I suppose ill have to dream about Jordon tomorrow because she is just fantastic and there is never any kind of game or B. S. Jordon Rules![/QUOTE]So, I have given up on these girls from Az! I made an appointment with Kae Kae, only because I was unable to get in contact with Nikki, and was told to call 1/2 hour before arriving. I did exactly as I was told BUT she didn't answer. I called several more times during that 1/2 hour only because I didn't want to miss seeing this beautiful girl and still no answer. I found myself acting very desperate which I'm not! Yes, I was stood up. Not pleased and again point proven. You always no what to expect when going to an AMP.
I had a dream this morning of Jordan. And she was f-in fine. Tight and pretty sweet. I more into GFEs however, these imports are a little too business like. Young I guess. Anyhow thats too the posts and reviews I did have a nice time would repeat. $$ for 30.
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul;1565099]So, I have given up on these girls from Az! I made an appointment with Kae Kae, only because I was unable to get in contact with Nikki, and was told to call 1/2 hour before arriving. I did exactly as I was told BUT she didn't answer. I called several more times during that 1/2 hour only because I didn't want to miss seeing this beautiful girl and still no answer. I found myself acting very desperate which I'm not! Yes, I was stood up. Not pleased and again point proven. You always no what to expect when going to an AMP.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking my gut was right again. These girls certainly talked a good game, but came up short on the delivery. I've pretty much written off the visitors, and sticking to tried and true local talent.
[QUOTE=SensitiveSoul;1565099]So, I have given up on these girls from Az! I made an appointment with Kae Kae, only because I was unable to get in contact with Nikki, and was told to call 1/2 hour before arriving. I did exactly as I was told BUT she didn't answer. I called several more times during that 1/2 hour only because I didn't want to miss seeing this beautiful girl and still no answer. I found myself acting very desperate which I'm not! Yes, I was stood up. Not pleased and again point proven. You always no what to expect when going to an AMP.[/QUOTE]Amen to that brother!
I've been at this hobby for a long time and have always preferred AMPs. I have strayed from time to time and I must say that I have had the rare diamond in the rough. But for the most part, I've found that AMPs are always best.
LexLUther
[QUOTE=Kool Dragon;1565932]I'm thinking my gut was right again. These girls certainly talked a good game, but came up short on the delivery. I've pretty much written off the visitors, and sticking to tried and true local talent.[/QUOTE]Yeah me too! I like the GFE experience and that you don't get with these chic's.
[QUOTE=LexLuther; 1565971]Amen to that brother!
I've been at this hobby for a long time and have always preferred AMPs. I have strayed from time to time and I must say that I have had the rare diamond in the rough. But for the most part, I've found that AMPs are always best.
LexLUther[/QUOTE]Yes sir, I agree. The only BP providers I will spend money on are Sloan Mckay and Elena. Proven hotties with a total GFE experience, and other than that it's all AMP visits for me from here on!
Being a business man, If I didn't show up to my meetings I'd be canned on the spot! We all need to stick together and tell those not committed to take a flying leap
Beware:
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She dyed her hair. Avoid.
Buyers beware, it looks like Starla is brunette and going by Lacey now. Guys RTFF and proceed with caution.
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Keep your powder dry,
SB
[QUOTE=AKwankerman; 1566361]Beware:
[url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/drop-dead-gorgeous-super-sexy-bombshell-new-to-town-22/3130986[/url]
She dyed her hair. Avoid.[/QUOTE]Damn ipad!
Ok, this is being done strictly as a service to the board, since I cannot personally vouch yet for these ladies. However, I do a lot of research including image search, google and another site searches on new providers on BP.
I'm not sure why some of these girls are always changing names and don't link their websites, but I will help my fellow board guys sus them out.
This young lady is advertising as Amiiah. Here is her ad: [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/b-i-t-e-t-h-e-s-e-c-h-e-e-k-s-_-_-new-amiiah-24/3131049[/url]
When researching her, I found her with two excellent recent reviews on another site. There, I also found her website:
[url]http://lovelytorri.naughtynsexy.com/[/url]
So, she looks pretty good.
Naomi Heaven.
She is also on another site with 37 excellent reviews: [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/gorgeous-exotic-barbie-_-incredible_-prebook-now-26/3131037[/url]
Here is her personal website:
[url]http://naomiheaven.naughtynsexy.com/[/url]
Looks nice but not cheap.
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Natalia from NY. Two not very good reviews in another site [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/visiting-cute-and-classy-breathtaking-barbie-petite-sweet-and-discreet-available-now-20/3117473[/url]
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There are a number of women who don't check out if you google search their images. One, however only comes up as a porn star, so she could be real.
Do your research, have fun, and report back or as they used to say on Hill street blues "Be careful out there!"
Sorry if this posts twice but I'm not sure the first try went through:
Ok, this is being done strictly as a service to the board, since I cannot personally vouch yet for these ladies. However, I do a lot of research including image search, google and another site searches on new providers on BP.
I'm not sure why some of these girls are always changing names and don't link their websites, but I will help my fellow board guys sus them out.
This young lady is advertising as Amiiah. Here is her ad: [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/b-i-t-e-t-h-e-s-e-c-h-e-e-k-s-_-_-new-amiiah-24/3131049[/url]
When researching her, I found her with two excellent recent reviews on another site. There, I also found her website:
[url]http://lovelytorri.naughtynsexy.com/[/url]
So, she looks pretty good.
Naomi Heaven.
She is also on another site with 37 excellent reviews: [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/gorgeous-exotic-barbie-_-incredible_-prebook-now-26/3131037[/url]
Here is her personal website:
[url]http://naomiheaven.naughtynsexy.com/[/url]
Looks nice but not cheap.
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Natalia from NY. Two not very good reviews in another site [url]http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/visiting-cute-and-classy-breathtaking-barbie-petite-sweet-and-discreet-available-now-20/3117473[/url]
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There are a number of women who don't check out if you google search their images. One, however only comes up as a porn star, so she could be real.
Do your research, have fun, and report back or as they used to say on Hill street blues "Be careful out there!"
Naomi is legit. Its been a while since she's been here. She used to stop by two or three times a year until she was busted the last time. Good to see her back. Her pics on her website is a couple years old though