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[QUOTE=ChuckHayes;6030634]She talks a great game. Asks you to pay uo front for a room. I said no way but I can pay when I get to hotel. She met me at hotel in Willow Grove and hopped in my car. She was nice, friendly, engaging. It's all part of her manipulative act. She has the booking app open on her phone showing how much more money she would need and that would be the donation for an hour or two she said. So we agreed on activities and the total came to just over $200 but for what she was agreeing to during the session it totally was worth it. She literally booked the room in front of me so I felt good. Then she says she knows a woman that works at the hotel desk and that she said she has to come in alone to check in. So she tells you to wait while she goes and checks in and she will send room number and I could come right up. She seemed trustworthy so I agreed. 20 min and no response. I reach out and a dude texts back saying Kelly is with him and she's very obedient. Then blocked. I text her from another number and she says she is available but needs $100 incidental fee for the hotel adjacent to the hotel she just booked the room at. I say okay I can meet you in 15 min. I see her walk out the back door of hotel where room was booked but in text says she's at other hotel and will meet outside. She told me to meet on the side because they are suspicious of her. I walk around and greet her and she is surprised to that it's me. So basically she was planning on ripping this other 'client' off too. She says that she intentionally came there to stay with a guy and he kept calling her asking where she is. It's her bf / handler and he couldn't see where she was and was asking her to come back. I was like WTF I just paid for that room and she says she needed the money to pay a drug dealer. Says that she will cash app the money back to me while I look her in the eye, but of course I knew she was lying. Her handler calls again and she says she has to go. I remained blocked and of course never got my money back. She is working with a sketchy dude she said and they are obv working together to scam people then use the room to get high it seems. She told me is staying with him tonight and she admitted that she knew he was there so it was all a setup from the start. Now with her with a male handler around losing your agreed upon donation may not be the worst of your worries. This was actually my second time seeing her and the first time everything was fine and she seemed trustworthy but she turned on me this time and betrayed that trust and I'm out $200. So be careful, she may not get you the first time or the second time but eventually she will fuck you over and it seems like she is taking direction from this bf of hers and scamming people now. This is a warning. Do not trust anything she says because I realized pretty much everything out of her mouth was a lie. If you want to play with fire go for it but be forewarned you will eventually get burned. Just had to put this out there as I have also seen her reported in the Philadelphia Escort reports for same scam. I also posted there about her as well but now with her in Williw Grove she's in the suburbs and so I'm getting the message out here too.

[URL]https://philadelphia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/your-search-stops-here/169649816840[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm sorry this happened to you. But there has to be hand book for real. It's almost verbatim with what happen to my with a different provider. Thanks for the heads up. I hope she gets starved out.

Hey Sr's. Looking for a VIP Rub to outcall to Wilmington DE. Any recommendations?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Heywood2020;6031536]Hey Sr's. Looking for a VIP Rub to outcall to Wilmington DE. Any recommendations?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I'm in Wilmington DE. The days of quality outcall rubs is long gone -- not since the old CL Body Rub ads.

[QUOTE=ChuckHayes;6030634]She talks a great game. Asks you to pay uo front for a room. I said no way but I can pay when I get to hotel. She met me at hotel in Willow Grove and hopped in my car. She was nice, friendly, engaging. It's all part of her manipulative act. She has the booking app open on her phone showing how much more money she would need and that would be the donation for an hour or two she said. So we agreed on activities and the total came to just over $200 but for what she was agreeing to during the session it totally was worth it. She literally booked the room in front of me so I felt good. Then she says she knows a woman that works at the hotel desk and that she said she has to come in alone to check in. So she tells you to wait while she goes and checks in and she will send room number and I could come right up. She seemed trustworthy so I agreed. 20 min and no response. I reach out and a dude texts back saying Kelly is with him and she's very obedient. Then blocked. I text her from another number and she says she is available but needs $100 incidental fee for the hotel adjacent to the hotel she just booked the room at. I say okay I can meet you in 15 min. I see her walk out the back door of hotel where room was booked but in text says she's at other hotel and will meet outside. She told me to meet on the side because they are suspicious of her. I walk around and greet her and she is surprised to that it's me. So basically she was planning on ripping this other 'client' off too. She says that she intentionally came there to stay with a guy and he kept calling her asking where she is. It's her bf / handler and he couldn't see where she was and was asking her to come back. I was like WTF I just paid for that room and she says she needed the money to pay a drug dealer. Says that she will cash app the money back to me while I look her in the eye, but of course I knew she was lying. Her handler calls again and she says she has to go. I remained blocked and of course never got my money back. She is working with a sketchy dude she said and they are obv working together to scam people then use the room to get high it seems. She told me is staying with him tonight and she admitted that she knew he was there so it was all a setup from the start. Now with her with a male handler around losing your agreed upon donation may not be the worst of your worries. This was actually my second time seeing her and the first time everything was fine and she seemed trustworthy but she turned on me this time and betrayed that trust and I'm out $200. So be careful, she may not get you the first time or the second time but eventually she will fuck you over and it seems like she is taking direction from this bf of hers and scamming people now. This is a warning. Do not trust anything she says because I realized pretty much everything out of her mouth was a lie. If you want to play with fire go for it but be forewarned you will eventually get burned. Just had to put this out there as I have also seen her reported in the Philadelphia Escort reports for same scam. I also posted there about her as well but now with her in Williw Grove she's in the suburbs and so I'm getting the message out here too.

[URL]https://philadelphia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/your-search-stops-here/169649816840[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry this happened to you, it stinks when one gets ripped off. But REALLY appreciate the post and warning to others, thanks!

No paragraphs on that tome so only made it part way through, but [B]rip-offs only happen in the hobby when one pays up front![/B].

Take a look at the mongering rules here and pay particular attention to Rule # 23 and the subsequent "how to's".

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

It is a short thread so read it all from post #1, as it is worth it! It is a cheaper education than "experiential learning!

We all go through what you experienced as a way to learn. Every guy posting has been ripped off or had a bad experience in the hobby, so you aren't alone! One key part of 'not paying upfront' and staying safe is learning to think with the Big Head first and not get lead around by the little one. We all learn that too, one way or another. Maybe some of those rules can help you out in the future?

What I see from that advert / post is this.

1) The girl has GPS. Golden Pussy Syndrome, she thinks her pussy is made of gold as her rates are WAY TOO HIGH! I'd never pay 150 for a HHR and certainly not 200 for a HHR. That is the equivalent of $400/ hour, which she also charges. At that level of compensation, she should be providing a 4 or 5 star hotel or an incall in a safe suburban setting, NOT making you get the room. That level of employment is Eros, Tryst level and should come with a top-level provider. So I would have negotiated much lower or probably just avoided her.

2) That phone number starting with 455 area code? Huh? Where is that? It searches out to some foreign dudes name, plus it could be an app number. Anyway both of those would have me cautious and asking about the number, if she has a BF and THEN listening VERY carefully as to how she frames her answers.

IF I were to pursue her, I would have been very cautious and ready to bail if she pulled anything. Like money up front or payment up front for a room. You have to always be willing to walk away when the spidey senses start to tingle that something might not be right. Everytime I have ignored those senses is when the hobby bit me in the azz!

Sorry again for your bought of "experiential learning!" Bet you won't be paying up front again! Experience can be a powerful teacher, let's hope you can apply the rules and the experience of others to avoid some of the other pit falls in the hobby!

Appreciate the warning for others! Stick around, post, ask questions and enjoy this great resource!

Good luck & be safe!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6031692]Sorry this happened to you, it stinks when one gets ripped off. But REALLY appreciate the post and warning to others, thanks!

No paragraphs on that tome so only made it part way through, but [B]rip-offs only happen in the hobby when one pays up front![/B].

Take a look at the mongering rules here and pay particular attention to Rule # 23 and the subsequent "how to's".

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

It is a short thread so read it all from post #1, as it is worth it! It is a cheaper education than "experiential learning!

We all go through what you experienced as a way to learn. Every guy posting has been ripped off or had a bad experience in the hobby, so you aren't alone! One key part of 'not paying upfront' and staying safe is learning to think with the Big Head first and not get lead around by the little one. We all learn that too, one way or another. Maybe some of those rules can help you out in the future?

What I see from that advert / post is this.

1) The girl has GPS. Golden Pussy Syndrome, she thinks her pussy is made of gold as her rates are WAY TOO HIGH! I'd never pay 150 for a HHR and certainly not 200 for a HHR. That is the equivalent of $400/ hour, which she also charges. At that level of compensation, she should be providing a 4 or 5 star hotel or an incall in a safe suburban setting, NOT making you get the room. That level of employment is Eros, Tryst level and should come with a top-level provider. So I would have negotiated much lower or probably just avoided her.

2) That phone number starting with 455 area code? Huh? Where is that? It searches out to some foreign dudes name, plus it could be an app number. Anyway both of those would have me cautious and asking about the number, if she has a BF and THEN listening VERY carefully as to how she frames her answers.

IF I were to pursue her, I would have been very cautious and ready to bail if she pulled anything. Like money up front or payment up front for a room. You have to always be willing to walk away when the spidey senses start to tingle that something might not be right. Everytime I have ignored those senses is when the hobby bit me in the azz!

Sorry again for your bought of "experiential learning!" Bet you won't be paying up front again! Experience can be a powerful teacher, let's hope you can apply the rules and the experience of others to avoid some of the other pit falls in the hobby!

Appreciate the warning for others! Stick around, post, ask questions and enjoy this great resource!

Good luck & be safe![/QUOTE]You're right but the issue with #1 is that $400/ hr now is the norm everywhere you look. Every girl who posts on Eros, Tryst, TER, TNA, etc asks for that and that's the minimum now. I see plenty of girls asking for $500+ and it just makes me laugh. Guys always say to negotiate but that doesn't work LOL. Maybe it did a couple years ago but now if you try they just move on to the next guy. When I first started doing this I could easily find a good time for $200 or less but now that's impossible unless it's with some junkie off of Skipthegames. I think the only way to find someone under $400 now is to get lucky and find an utr and that's almost impossible. I've tried for a long time so I know how hard that is unfortunately.

[QUOTE=YoshiRed;6032163]You're right but the issue with #1 is that $400/ hr now is the norm everywhere you look. Every girl who posts on Eros, Tryst, TER, TNA, etc asks for that and that's the minimum now. I see plenty of girls asking for $500+ and it just makes me laugh. Guys always say to negotiate but that doesn't work LOL. Maybe it did a couple years ago but now if you try they just move on to the next guy. When I first started doing this I could easily find a good time for $200 or less but now that's impossible unless it's with some junkie off of Skipthegames. I think the only way to find someone under $400 now is to get lucky and find an utr and that's almost impossible. I've tried for a long time so I know how hard that is unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm, all I can say is "interesting". Sure doesn't match my experience at all. I think if enough guys turn down these HIGH prices the girls will have to relent and drop them. But too many guys are paying that so girls will ask for it! Sadly, dudes prolly never experienced the true high end girls and are therefore willing to pay high end prices for GND types instead of 9's of 10's.

I think the wave of those paying $400 is because they are ignorant: unknowledgeable of what the rates should be, unknowledgeable that rates can be and should be NEGOTIATED and unknowledgeable on how to or SCARED to actually negotiate price. Many guys fall all over themselves to give up their power and money to a pretty girl. That's why when I was in swinging the Super HotWife was always paired with a Troll husband. But paying a fair price can & should be done!

So how I know these GPS rates are high? My experience! Look, I did repeated dates of 3-hours in a notel with a SB this year for $150! GND type. Did 3-4 hour dates, netflix, meals and play at another SB girl's upscale condo for $200. Shoot just the other day had a KA girl (no worse looking that OPs mentioned girl) ask for $250/ hr and I negotiated her down to 100 where she was thrashing around the hotel bed for a good 40+ minutes. She took 2 showers so prolly was there for 65-70 minutes. She'll host future dates! I've got an 8+ girl who is a true spinner that gives an enthusiastic, passionate date and takes $70 for her efforts. Yeah, she's a druggie but you would never know it from looking as she manages her habit extremely well. Then there is the girl I hooked up with this evening who use to be a real beauty, but time and meds have taken their toll. But she has a connection that leads to off the chart passion and she worked hard for 45 minutes getting me off. Damages - 50.

I know it is easy to get frustrated and especially when Jr is in severe need. But if what one is doing isn't working then what I have had to do periodically is change up my game or sharpen my skills. I see many frustrated types on these threads who will agree with you, but just because a few vocal minority do, doesn't mean that is the experience of the silent majority.

One thing I will suggest is NETWORKING! You want to find that UTR girl then establish some cred and relationship with a few girls and then after the 3rd date ask them if they know anyone else who dates, or ask if they have a girlfriend for a 3-some. Some of the girls on my rotation are 3rd, 4th or 5th generation deep on referrals. Dudes forget that girls are much more social and share stuff, so a girl dating usually has a friend or two that dates also and can be shared. A modest referral fee often helps with the incentive to share for a girl. But if one is always doing one-off dates because they like unwrapping a new package each time then it is gunna be harder to work the system and find UTR girls.

In addition, I think many dudes need to work overtime to be "really nice guys" to the girls. Nothing like being squeaky clean, smelling good, polite, respectful, passionate, kind and generous. Little gifts here & there work wonders. Have had girls discount dates 50% to help me out when funds were tight because they wanted to stay connected and I didn't make them feel like they were a fuck doll or a receptical for sperm. Good treatment has paid dividends over the years.

So yeah, I hear your frustration! Been there and often find myself there when looking for 'strange. ' But I'd encourage you to post in the main threads some "how to" questions and use the collective brain trust here to help you adjust your approach / game! It can be done and from what I have seen of your posts, you can certainly do it!

And above all, JUST SAY NO! To GPS rates!

Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6032240]Hmmmm, all I can say is "interesting". Sure doesn't match my experience at all. I think if enough guys turn down these HIGH prices the girls will have to relent and drop them. But too many guys are paying that so girls will ask for it! Sadly, dudes prolly never experienced the true high end girls and are therefore willing to pay high end prices for GND types instead of 9's of 10's.

I think the wave of those paying $400 is because they are ignorant: unknowledgeable of what the rates should be, unknowledgeable that rates can be and should be NEGOTIATED and unknowledgeable on how to or SCARED to actually negotiate price. Many guys fall all over themselves to give up their power and money to a pretty girl. That's why when I was in swinging the Super HotWife was always paired with a Troll husband. But paying a fair price can & should be done!

So how I know these GPS rates are high? My experience! Look, I did repeated dates of 3-hours in a notel with a SB this year for $150! GND type. Did 3-4 hour dates, netflix, meals and play at another SB girl's upscale condo for $200. Shoot just the other day had a KA girl (no worse looking that OPs mentioned girl) ask for $250/ hr and I negotiated her down to 100 where she was thrashing around the hotel bed for a good 40+ minutes. She took 2 showers so prolly was there for 65-70 minutes. She'll host future dates! I've got an 8+ girl who is a true spinner that gives an enthusiastic, passionate date and takes $70 for her efforts. Yeah, she's a druggie but you would never know it from looking as she manages her habit extremely well. Then there is the girl I hooked up with this evening who use to be a real beauty, but time and meds have taken their toll. But she has a connection that leads to off the chart passion and she worked hard for 45 minutes getting me off. Damages - 50.

I know it is easy to get frustrated and especially when Jr is in severe need. But if what one is doing isn't working then what I have had to do periodically is change up my game or sharpen my skills. I see many frustrated types on these threads who will agree with you, but just because a few vocal minority do, doesn't mean that is the experience of the silent majority.

One thing I will suggest is NETWORKING! You want to find that UTR girl then establish some cred and relationship with a few girls and then after the 3rd date ask them if they know anyone else who dates, or ask if they have a girlfriend for a 3-some. Some of the girls on my rotation are 3rd, 4th or 5th generation deep on referrals. Dudes forget that girls are much more social and share stuff, so a girl dating usually has a friend or two that dates also and can be shared. A modest referral fee often helps with the incentive to share for a girl. But if one is always doing one-off dates because they like unwrapping a new package each time then it is gunna be harder to work the system and find UTR girls.

In addition, I think many dudes need to work overtime to be "really nice guys" to the girls. Nothing like being squeaky clean, smelling good, polite, respectful, passionate, kind and generous. Little gifts here & there work wonders. Have had girls discount dates 50% to help me out when funds were tight because they wanted to stay connected and I didn't make them feel like they were a fuck doll or a receptical for sperm. Good treatment has paid dividends over the years.

So yeah, I hear your frustration! Been there and often find myself there when looking for 'strange. ' But I'd encourage you to post in the main threads some "how to" questions and use the collective brain trust here to help you adjust your approach / game! It can be done and from what I have seen of your posts, you can certainly do it!

And above all, JUST SAY NO! To GPS rates!

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]I found more than a few who post on Tryst for 300/400/500+ an hour that also post on STG who I bang for 100-150 an hour. If they were getting 3/4/500+ hour regularly on Tryst then they wouldn't be posting on STG. Remember, at the end of the day the consumer sets rates.

[QUOTE=PhillyDiscreet;6032584]I found more than a few who post on Tryst for 300/400/500+ an hour that also post on STG who I bang for 100-150 an hour. If they were getting 3/4/500+ hour regularly on Tryst then they wouldn't be posting on STG. Remember, at the end of the day the consumer sets rates.[/QUOTE]I can second. In my experience traveling getting to know some great regulars. I've noticed they post different rates from them / STG To Tryst / Eros with girls like that you'll get, let me know where you saw my ad. It helps then know what to charge. Just my 2 cents.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6032240]Hmmmm, all I can say is "interesting". Sure doesn't match my experience at all. I think if enough guys turn down these HIGH prices the girls will have to relent and drop them. But too many guys are paying that so girls will ask for it! Sadly, dudes prolly never experienced the true high end girls and are therefore willing to pay high end prices for GND types instead of 9's of 10's.

I think the wave of those paying $400 is because they are ignorant: unknowledgeable of what the rates should be, unknowledgeable that rates can be and should be NEGOTIATED and unknowledgeable on how to or SCARED to actually negotiate price. Many guys fall all over themselves to give up their power and money to a pretty girl. That's why when I was in swinging the Super HotWife was always paired with a Troll husband. But paying a fair price can & should be done!

So how I know these GPS rates are high? My experience! Look, I did repeated dates of 3-hours in a notel with a SB this year for $150! GND type. Did 3-4 hour dates, netflix, meals and play at another SB girl's upscale condo for $200. Shoot just the other day had a KA girl (no worse looking that OPs mentioned girl) ask for $250/ hr and I negotiated her down to 100 where she was thrashing around the hotel bed for a good 40+ minutes. She took 2 showers so prolly was there for 65-70 minutes. She'll host future dates! I've got an 8+ girl who is a true spinner that gives an enthusiastic, passionate date and takes $70 for her efforts. Yeah, she's a druggie but you would never know it from looking as she manages her habit extremely well. Then there is the girl I hooked up with this evening who use to be a real beauty, but time and meds have taken their toll. But she has a connection that leads to off the chart passion and she worked hard for 45 minutes getting me off. Damages - 50.

I know it is easy to get frustrated and especially when Jr is in severe need. But if what one is doing isn't working then what I have had to do periodically is change up my game or sharpen my skills. I see many frustrated types on these threads who will agree with you, but just because a few vocal minority do, doesn't mean that is the experience of the silent majority.

One thing I will suggest is NETWORKING! You want to find that UTR girl then establish some cred and relationship with a few girls and then after the 3rd date ask them if they know anyone else who dates, or ask if they have a girlfriend for a 3-some. Some of the girls on my rotation are 3rd, 4th or 5th generation deep on referrals. Dudes forget that girls are much more social and share stuff, so a girl dating usually has a friend or two that dates also and can be shared. A modest referral fee often helps with the incentive to share for a girl. But if one is always doing one-off dates because they like unwrapping a new package each time then it is gunna be harder to work the system and find UTR girls.

In addition, I think many dudes need to work overtime to be "really nice guys" to the girls. Nothing like being squeaky clean, smelling good, polite, respectful, passionate, kind and generous. Little gifts here & there work wonders. Have had girls discount dates 50% to help me out when funds were tight because they wanted to stay connected and I didn't make them feel like they were a fuck doll or a receptical for sperm. Good treatment has paid dividends over the years.

So yeah, I hear your frustration! Been there and often find myself there when looking for 'strange. ' But I'd encourage you to post in the main threads some "how to" questions and use the collective brain trust here to help you adjust your approach / game! It can be done and from what I have seen of your posts, you can certainly do it!

And above all, JUST SAY NO! To GPS rates!

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]Have never / will never pay more than $200 an hour for local talent! The young and ignorant set are being led by the nose (or another part) by these ladies selling their wares. The provider can set the price but this isn't an upscale American retail shop. This is more like an auction or flea market where bargaining happens between both parties, and you have to be willing to walk away if the price isn't right. I still see and get local talent and have never paid more than $200 an hour, and yes, they are always happy to repeat with me at that price.

As always, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions and respect the different opinions on the board. There's a wealth of knowledge here from which to benefit. To touch on just a few of the points, what I see or sense or interpret from the discussions about local talent for (hopefully) lower rates is that it takes a lot of experience and work and sometimes, there is an element of discomfort (settings) or even danger. It just seems to me -- and please don't kill the messenger -- that finding something of higher quality on SA (assuming they can host. Which is a must to avoid a double pay) is worth the extra money. Unless this is a daily or weekly habit for you, in which case, totally get that putting the extra time is worth it. But what I see and experience on Eros is high quality women who host in very comfortable and safe environments which seems like the best option if you're only doing in a couple times a month and definitely once a month. For the commenter who mentioned cross-referencing Eros profiles on lower end sites, that's very sound advice and I've been able to get a better rate by doing that a couple times. Like I said, I appreciate the contributions and regret that I can't reciprocate in terms of local talent. Truth is, I haven't felt comfortable the few times I've dealt with local talent and, in fact, was a "victim" of bait & switch by meeting a friend who was less attractive in an apartment complex that was just ok and in a room that smelled like smoke and had a playpen in it. I'll continue to relay thoughts on SA to the extent they may be helpful. I won't bother listing Eros profiles because they are usually temporary and there doesn't seem to be a demand for it here: that's better left for E M. Thanks again to all and be safe.

[QUOTE=Pleck2;6035632]As always, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions and respect the different opinions on the board. There's a wealth of knowledge here from which to benefit. To touch on just a few of the points, what I see or sense or interpret from the discussions about local talent for (hopefully) lower rates is that it takes a lot of experience and work and sometimes, there is an element of discomfort (settings) or even danger. It just seems to me -- and please don't kill the messenger -- that finding something of higher quality on SA (assuming they can host. Which is a must to avoid a double pay) is worth the extra money. Unless this is a daily or weekly habit for you, in which case, totally get that putting the extra time is worth it. But what I see and experience on Eros is high quality women who host in very comfortable and safe environments which seems like the best option if you're only doing in a couple times a month and definitely once a month. For the commenter who mentioned cross-referencing Eros profiles on lower end sites, that's very sound advice and I've been able to get a better rate by doing that a couple times. Like I said, I appreciate the contributions and regret that I can't reciprocate in terms of local talent. [b]Truth is, I haven't felt comfortable the few times I've dealt with local talent and, in fact, was a "victim" of bait & switch by meeting a friend who was less attractive in an apartment complex that was just ok and in a room that smelled like smoke and had a playpen in it.[/b] I'll continue to relay thoughts on SA to the extent they may be helpful. [u]I won't bother listing Eros profiles because they are usually temporary and there doesn't seem to be a demand for it here: that's better left for E M. [/u]Thanks again to all and be safe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the long and detailed post. From my experience, I see several things in the statements and wish to comment on them in hope that this perspective is educational and helpful.

First off, an basic axiom of mongering is that you pay the rate commensurate with where you meet a girl! I'll explain. When you find a girl on the average escort websites one should expect to pay the rates that are the Norm there. So STG tends to have a general rate and EROS another. When you find a girl on the street, street rates apply EVEN IF she also posts on STG or Tryst too. Don't be a sucker!

But [b]if one is NOT finding that a girl is on Eros AND STG, when in fact they are dual posted, then they are not doing basic dude diligence (DD) and are looking for trouble. [/b] You have to search pics, phone numbers etc to make sure who you are dealing with and who you are not. You just want to find out if the girl is real and not LE or if she's crazy, GPS or setting you up. Don't take DD too far, no merit badges for deep dive DD.

So IF a girl posts on Eros / Tryst etc at 400-500/ hour but also posts on STG and accepts 100-150 per hour, who is the dope for not finding such and paying the higher rate? Hey, girls are in business and anyone in business will tell you it is better to sell something for 500 rather than 100, IF YOU CAN GET IT! Use to be that a posting on Eros or Tryst meant the girl was high end: perfect grooming, hosts in 4+ star hotel, excellent skills, but now common GND types are trying to get 500 from suckers. So one has to do their DD.

I mean shit, I just scooped a girl off the street the other day who jumped in and said she doesn't do anything for less than 80 cause she's on line! LOL! Well she got a quick exit out of my car and got nothing as she was 2 X what street rates really are! One has to always be ready to walk away.

Second, feeling comfortable with local talent is all about knowledge and EXPERIENCE! If you walk into a situation that is uncomfortable, one has to have a PLAN B in place and be willing to walk away. IF one does their DD upfront, they will figure out where a girl is located, what is her living situation (roomies / BF) and a few other things. I think some girls flake on me as I ask a bunch of questions, but would rather figure out a girl isn't a fit up front than waste time getting there and walking away. I think as one develops skills it is more comfortable to leave a "no thank you" contribution. It diffuses a potentially volatile situation with the girl and it acts as a "Knowledge tax" and incentive to do better DD. But don't give up just because of a few bad experiences! We all have had those! Just dedicate yourself to some learning and growth in the hobby!

Finally, no restriction on posting Eros / Tryst profiles. We ARE interested. I'd suggest you also post pics of the girl and her name too. What you might find is that someone has dated or tried to date a girl before when she was under other circumstances. For example there is a "high end" girl, with her own website, that goes by Naughty Nikki in DE. She started as a drug addicted streetwalker. When she got clean, she started doing incalls for 100-150 and eventually got pro photos and a website and charges 350. She ain't any better fuck at 350 than she was at 150 so why pay the extra? In fact she was kinda "meh" date anyway. Don't NOT post here because of some misconception, you'll be cheating yourself by avoiding a HUGE resource base.

Help on learning "how to" post pics in these threads can be found here:

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[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6035984]Thanks for the long and detailed post. From my experience, I see several things in the statements and wish to comment on them in hope that this perspective is educational and helpful.

First off, an basic axiom of mongering is that you pay the rate commensurate with where you meet a girl! I'll explain. When you find a girl on the average escort websites one should expect to pay the rates that are the Norm there. So STG tends to have a general rate and EROS another. When you find a girl on the street, street rates apply EVEN IF she also posts on STG or Tryst too. Don't be a sucker!

But [b]if one is NOT finding that a girl is on Eros AND STG, when in fact they are dual posted, then they are not doing basic dude diligence (DD) and are looking for trouble. [/b] You have to search pics, phone numbers etc to make sure who you are dealing with and who you are not. You just want to find out if the girl is real and not LE or if she's crazy, GPS or setting you up. Don't take DD too far, no merit badges for deep dive DD.

So IF a girl posts on Eros / Tryst etc at 400-500/ hour but also posts on STG and accepts 100-150 per hour, who is the dope for not finding such and paying the higher rate? Hey, girls are in business and anyone in business will tell you it is better to sell something for 500 rather than 100, IF YOU CAN GET IT! Use to be that a posting on Eros or Tryst meant the girl was high end: perfect grooming, hosts in 4+ star hotel, excellent skills, but now common GND types are trying to get 500 from suckers. So one has to do their DD.

I mean shit, I just scooped a girl off the street the other day who jumped in and said she doesn't do anything for less than 80 cause she's on line! LOL! Well she got a quick exit out of my car and got nothing as she was 2 X what street rates really are! One has to always be ready to walk away.

Second, feeling comfortable with local talent is all about knowledge and EXPERIENCE! If you walk into a situation that is uncomfortable, one has to have a PLAN B in place and be willing to walk away. IF one does their DD upfront, they will figure out where a girl is located, what is her living situation (roomies / BF) and a few other things. I think some girls flake on me as I ask a bunch of questions, but would rather figure out a girl isn't a fit up front than waste time getting there and walking away. I think as one develops skills it is more comfortable to leave a "no thank you" contribution. It diffuses a potentially volatile situation with the girl and it acts as a "Knowledge tax" and incentive to do better DD. But don't give up just because of a few bad experiences! We all have had those! Just dedicate yourself to some learning and growth in the hobby!

Finally, no restriction on posting Eros / Tryst profiles. We ARE interested. I'd suggest you also post pics of the girl and her name too. What you might find is that someone has dated or tried to date a girl before when she was under other circumstances. For example there is a "high end" girl, with her own website, that goes by Naughty Nikki in DE. She started as a drug addicted streetwalker. When she got clean, she started doing incalls for 100-150 and eventually got pro photos and a website and charges 350. She ain't any better fuck at 350 than she was at 150 so why pay the extra? In fact she was kinda "meh" date anyway. Don't NOT post here because of some misconception, you'll be cheating yourself by avoiding a HUGE resource base.

Help on learning "how to" post pics in these threads can be found here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34615-Tutorial-adding-pics[/URL][/QUOTE]As always, thanks for your input and I will keep all of that in mind. I think what might not work for me with DD of Eros profiles is that I tend to like that visiting ones, especially from Brazil, and they definitely don't have a local presence. But I could see that being the case with some of the more "available" one on SA, and I'm going to ask about her tomorrow. She's in Chalfont and wants a car date, which you don't see a lot of on SA. Have a great night all.

So. This one. I found her on SA but her m. O. And profile makes me think she's elsewhere too. She's not looking for an SD; she wants clients. I'm thinking someone might have experience with her. The banner line implies that she's at the Horsham Extended Stay but her location states Chalfont. (I feel like, one time, the banner line read, "car broke down on Easton Road". So there's a train wreck vibe going on here.) But I opened up correspondence anyway and, yes, she is in Chalfont and she is ready to set up something quickly but cannot host. Very flexible on timing. So it's the car thing, which she has no problem with; seems to prefer. She wrote in code -- so she doesn't get banned -- and it seems like 150 BJ (not sure whether covered or not or whether CIM) and 200 for FS. She looks great in her photos. Anyone?

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[QUOTE=DelcoGent;5304924]So, in spite of my concerns, little head won the argument and I drove past her house. My concerns about it being a setup were unfounded, but you can never be too careful with this hobby. Everything looked quiet, so I decided to TOFTT and contacted her. The visit was ok, but nothing special. She seems like a nice lady who gave an ok BBBJ. Her body was average for her age. No evidence of her being a user, and her naturals weren't deflated or anything. I might repeat, but for now I'm still in the hunt for someone who gives me more than my money's worth.[/QUOTE]Hey this might be too forward but do you have any Delco recommendations you can share? Most of the girls I've seen have been airport in DE, or the city. Would love a few local girls to throw in the mix. DMs are open!

Had anyone seen Mya in KoP? Looks like a traveler and not a tranny (beaver shot in photos) which has been an issue in KoP lately.

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