Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=HotDaddy; 1888745]I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.

Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.[/QUOTE]For a teacher, you did not read details well. Was for Honolulu county, not the entire state. And that is only confirmed and known cases. Anyways, to each his own. I don't do it because I don't want to chance giving anything to a real GF. Of course, if you can never score and got to always pay for it, then I guess it's a choice of necessity.

[QUOTE=HotDaddy; 1888745]I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.

Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.[/QUOTE]LOL. Not really accurate. The 1. 3 million includes hundreds of thousands of people that arent sexually active and even more that rarely have sex. Your chances of becoming HIV positive increase tremendously when you bareback multiple providers who have each barebacked hundreds or thousands other mongers in her life.

But overall you are right. AIDS isn't really the biggest danger here. Stuff like incurable HPV (which is linked to oral cancer) , HSV, and hepatitis, as well as drug resistant gonorrhea and syphillus are the real threats. I don't know about you but I don't wish to either spread STDs to or confess to any future GF or wife my STD status. But I guess if a monger has pretty mch given up on life and doesn't care about finding a GF, then this doesn't matter too much. LOL.

[QUOTE=HotDaddy; 1888745]I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.

Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.[/QUOTE]You used the wrong population figures. All 1. 3 million people do not have sex. Your figures should include only those people engaged in unsafe sex. Your chances are considerably larger if you go bb regularly.

Your math is good, your analysis is fuzzy.

[QUOTE=Bikini; 1889046]You used the wrong population figures. All 1. 3 million people do not have sex. Your figures should include only those people engaged in unsafe sex. Your chances are considerably larger if you go bb regularly.

Your math is good, your analysis is fuzzy.[/QUOTE]Also, I'm much less worried about contracting HIV vaginally as opposed to being burnt with the plethora of other diseases that are out there. Are there figures for those?

Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life. You BB guys better hope there is never a rogue mongerer with HIV / AIDS who is knowingly doing BB with providers. Or a provider doing the same. I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.

[QUOTE=Larry Hoover;1889112]Also, I'm much less worried about contracting HIV vaginally as opposed to being burnt with the plethora of other diseases that are out there. Are there figures for those?[/QUOTE]Can Google stats. I read that Hawaii had the 8th highest rate of chlamydia in 2008 in the US. That's one disease that may not show symptoms too.

[QUOTE=AmpAddict808; 1889625]Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life.

I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.[/QUOTE]Good point on the contrast.

That London story is interesting; back in 1987 an acquaintance said a girl he knew opened her speech with that same story, minus the location.

Some B-girl told me that story of how the girl wrote "Welcome to AIDS world" on the mirror in lipstick and left while the guy was sleeping. (But in her story the guy was a tourist who picked up a hooker in Waiks).

That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned. For some kiddies it make two or three burns to get the message: "Damn! That fire shit hurts! I'm not fuckin with that any more!" Sometimes it takes an incident to dispel misconceptions or myths of invincibility (hurricane Katrina did that for many a coast resident (some fatally so) who had lived through Camille and thought "nothing else could be that bad". All it takes is one tourist from the mainland or abroad or a new provider to introduce a virulent pathogen into our community. Not really an if but a when.

What truly boggles my mind is the number of young bareback providers who take yards of unshielded cock up inside'them for a few extra bucks. Sure the oldies like the birds at Kison don't give a damn. And of course many younger providers have one or several trusted loyal client / s whith whom they share a little BB lovin. But damn, Mayflower, out of the blue has broken the mold and become the latest BB Grand Central Station with youngins as the conductors. Lovely young ladies who will allow most any dirty dick monger to slide up in'them raw, bang to their hearts content and leave their load deep up in'them. No fuss no questions, no health papers, just hand over the money and pump me full. Just for a few extra bucks. So very tempting. Not complaining mind you. It simply boggles my mind and facsinates me to no end. I wonder what kind of indoctrination / incentive MS has runnin over there? Whatever it was that pinay cutie Gianna didn't drink the Kool-Aid and hauled ass.

Bottom line. We all know what we're doing. If you're bangin bareback your just rollin the same set of dice but with higher stakes. Good luck, good nut, and have fun.

RJ.

[QUOTE=AmpAddict808;1889625]Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life. You BB guys better hope there is never a rogue mongerer with HIV / AIDS who is knowingly doing BB with providers. Or a provider doing the same. I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.[/QUOTE]

Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.

For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?

For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.

Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.

[QUOTE=RickJames808; 1889877]That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned.

RJ.[/QUOTE]I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.

[QUOTE=AmpAddict808;1890654]I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.[/QUOTE]It's an urban legend with many variations.

[url]http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/aidsmary.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=RickJames808; 1889877]That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned. For some kiddies it make two or three burns to get the message: "Damn! That fire shit hurts! I'm not fuckin with that any more!" Sometimes it takes an incident to dispel misconceptions or myths of invincibility (hurricane Katrina did that for many a coast resident (some fatally so) who had lived through Camille and thought "nothing else could be that bad". All it takes is one tourist from the mainland or abroad or a new provider to introduce a virulent pathogen into our community. Not really an if but a when.

What truly boggles my mind is the number of young bareback providers who take yards of unshielded cock up inside'them for a few extra bucks. Sure the oldies like the birds at Kison don't give a damn. And of course many younger providers have one or several trusted loyal client / s whith whom they share a little BB lovin. But damn, Mayflower, out of the blue has broken the mold and become the latest BB Grand Central Station with youngins as the conductors. Lovely young ladies who will allow most any dirty dick monger to slide up in'them raw, bang to their hearts content and leave their load deep up in'them. No fuss no questions, no health papers, just hand over the money and pump me full. Just for a few extra bucks. So very tempting. Not complaining mind you. It simply boggles my mind and facsinates me to no end. I wonder what kind of indoctrination / incentive MS has runnin over there? Whatever it was that pinay cutie Gianna didn't drink the Kool-Aid and hauled ass.

Bottom line. We all know what we're doing. If you're bangin bareback your just rollin the same set of dice but with higher stakes. Good luck, good nut, and have fun.

RJ.[/QUOTE]This is a thoughtful respectful discussion RJ. We all hope we don't catch anything. I know that when I started mongering here about 11 yrs. Ago, I would not even consider doing BB, DATY or even kissing any of these girls. Once I found this forum and started reading all the great adventures, I was influenced to participate in the action. After all, I figured if all these mongers are doing it and I don't hear anything about a STD epidemic, that it must be relatively safe. That was obviously flawed reasoning as I picked up a case of genital warts a few years ago. I get tested three or four times a year for STD's now. It is very tempting to go BB with some of these girls and sometimes I still fall off the wagon, but in general try to avoid it. That is why I have a love / hate relationship with this forum. It tempts me to no end when I read a tantalizing report of some wild PSE and have experienced a few myself, but I have to constantly remind myself to take these reports with a grain of salt and try to resist the temptation. This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do appreciate the frank discussion here about the odds of picking up STD's without a lot of finger pointing, flaming or drama. I am surprised that more mongers don't report picking up diseases, but then again it is not something we want to advertise.

[QUOTE=USukebe2; 1890574]Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.

For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?

For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.

Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.[/QUOTE]I know for me I would not do any girl at CHM or Kison with a condom. They are all just too old. Sorry, but it is the age deal with me. So yea it is a deal breaker with me. When I go to CHM or Kison I EXPECT to get it all BB. If I don't I tell the mamas at Kison / CHM to send me another chick. That is just the way it is there. And I think the mamas at CHM and Kison know it inside their conscience. Otherwise those two places wouldn't have nowhere near the business that they do.

For young chicks at other AMP's I will make exceptions and wear a condom (that I always bring) because it is usually much easier to maintain a boner with a hot young girl and then the condom doesn't matter that much. Now if the young chick gives shitty service then even BB won't help. The ultimate is to find a young hot chick that gives BB. We all want that!

AMP,

I believe you when you say your friend told you this. Its where the source material originated which I ponder. I have heard variation of this since the late 80's and early 90's. Definitely had an influence on my earliest mongering activities.

RJ.

[QUOTE=AmpAddict808;1890654]I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.[/QUOTE]