Relationships with Massage Providers

Not sure if this is the best place for this topic, but looks like it.

I think many of us who have frequented AMPs develop a thing for Korean or other Asian women over time, and I've gotten to the point where I'm actively trying to meet Asian women for long term relationships.

Like many other things, I know there are many options, possibilities, aspects of this scenario, and so on.

I work an intense job from home with long hours, travel a lot, and have recently moved to a new area, so my chances of meeting women of any kind in normal situations are limited. I've used match, cupid and a few other dating sites, and have checked out Asian women on there. Of course I realize that these women will mostly be "different" than massage women, and more like any other ethnic group of women in real life, meaning they will vary as much as any other group of individuals. I can tell that women who indicate they are "Asian" on these sites are from every possible Asian background, and some are much more "American" than others. So I realize most of my assumptions about Asian women from AMPs will not apply.

I know what I wrote above is a little off-topic, but I wanted to add that (in advance, as it turned out) to what I'm about to say now. Along with the online stuff, I have tried to get to know the women I have connected with at the AMPs in the last year or so. I have been AMP mongering for 15 years, mainly between marriages and since the end of my second marriage. It's only been in the last year that I've considered a relationship with a few of them who I've had some connection with and seen multiple times.

Two of these, including the one I'm interested in now, have had lives of some sort in this country beyond the AMPs ... but have turned to working at these places for different reasons. In the current scenario, I have seen one woman five times, with the sessions getting longer and more GFE every time. She said I could call her (she's an hour away) and that maybe we could go out sometime. I have worked hard (maybe too hard) to charm her. One odd and kind of unfortunate thing is that the last two times I've seen her, I've been tired and had great difficulty "performing," but still wanted to see her. She put in an extreme (and unsolicited) effort to try and get me off, which may have in turn put her off. But I spend time massaging her and so on, and brought her flowers last time I saw her.

Anyway, I wanted to share some of this stuff and hear from others who may have tried, with or without success, to have relationships with AMP girls - or whose interested in Asians was inspired by AMP action and led to relationships with Asian women outside AMPs. For what it's worth, I am Caucasian and over 40.

Thanks

Let me share my experience with you. I first started going to AMPS since I was 16. I am now 40+. After my divorce of 10+ years (to an Asian) I started to frequent a place at least once a week always seeing the same girl. At first, it was because I needed some relief and then developed into something more. I brought her gifts, exchanged emails, talked on the phone, asked her to dinner (took about 4 months). But the first time we got together, she came to my house after work and stayed the weekend. She had a good personality and she wanted to leave the business and i told her I would help her for 6 months while she looked for a job. And she did, quit the place and found another job. This is when I found out her true personality. (this is why we date). She was a habitual liar. After she quit, she told me she would never go back to being a working girl. At the time she told me, I already fell in live with her. But she lied. That day I drove mby and saw her working there. I went in, as a customer, and when she came to the room she got on her knees and begged me to forgive her. Complete with tears and all. I believed her. Things went well for a while, and we would live with each other for a week at a time. But still she would not tell the truth to me. One time she had a small get together at her house with some friends. And told me about it and who came. A week later I mentioned something about it and the entire story changed. There were other situations as well and i don't want to bore you with those. I told her what I wanted in a woman and being honest with me was number 1. She wouldn't/couldn't. I think she was so ashamed of her work. However, I told her on numerous occasions that it didn't matter to me where she worked and what she did (which it still doesn't). But I can't stand the lying part. If it wasn't for the lying part of our relationship, I would have married her. A lot of these girls (not all, but good luck in finding them) have been abused, mentally, physically or both. My girl was physically abused as a child by a step father. They have deep emotional problems. Especially the ones who like to drink a lot. I was unprepared for what I was getting into. Another thing is the culture. I was very interested in learning the Korean culture and would participate any time I could. She wanted me to give up everything here and move to Korea with her. I wasn't going to leave my son and job to start over in another country where I can't speak the language. A lot of these girls leave Korea and come to America to find the American Dream. But they don't want to work hard. They are looking for easy money.

My advice to you is to be careful. Find out what her plans are for the future. Learn her language and understand where she is coming from. Just remember, these girls are fun to fuck, but what will you do the other 23.5 hours of the day?

[QUOTE=Kudlow]Let me share my experience with you. I first started going to AMPS since I was 16. I am now 40+. After my divorce of 10+ years (to an Asian) I started to frequent a place at least once a week always seeing the same girl. At first, it was because I needed some relief and then developed into something more. I brought her gifts, exchanged emails, talked on the phone, asked her to dinner (took about 4 months). But the first time we got together, she came to my house after work and stayed the weekend. She had a good personality and she wanted to leave the business and i told her I would help her for 6 months while she looked for a job. And she did, quit the place and found another job. This is when I found out her true personality. (this is why we date). She was a habitual liar. After she quit, she told me she would never go back to being a working girl. At the time she told me, I already fell in live with her. But she lied. That day I drove mby and saw her working there. I went in, as a customer, and when she came to the room she got on her knees and begged me to forgive her. Complete with tears and all. I believed her. Things went well for a while, and we would live with each other for a week at a time. But still she would not tell the truth to me. One time she had a small get together at her house with some friends. And told me about it and who came. A week later I mentioned something about it and the entire story changed. There were other situations as well and i don't want to bore you with those. I told her what I wanted in a woman and being honest with me was number 1. She wouldn't/couldn't. I think she was so ashamed of her work. However, I told her on numerous occasions that it didn't matter to me where she worked and what she did (which it still doesn't). But I can't stand the lying part. If it wasn't for the lying part of our relationship, I would have married her. A lot of these girls (not all, but good luck in finding them) have been abused, mentally, physically or both. My girl was physically abused as a child by a step father. They have deep emotional problems. Especially the ones who like to drink a lot. I was unprepared for what I was getting into. Another thing is the culture. I was very interested in learning the Korean culture and would participate any time I could. She wanted me to give up everything here and move to Korea with her. I wasn't going to leave my son and job to start over in another country where I can't speak the language. A lot of these girls leave Korea and come to America to find the American Dream. But they don't want to work hard. They are looking for easy money.

My advice to you is to be careful. Find out what her plans are for the future. Learn her language and understand where she is coming from. Just remember, these girls are fun to fuck, but what will you do the other 23.5 hours of the day?[/QUOTE]

Count your blessings that you didn’t marry her. Most providers, escorts, MP, AMP and SW's are in it for quick money. Whether they use quick money for drugs like SW’s or clothes ect. My Dad had a bar near an AMP and they would come in, I would “chat” with them. They are not white slaves, the come here voluntarily and can leave when they want, they glamorize what they do and compare it to being porn stars. The AMP girls I chatted with liked their clothes, vacations and they did not appear to be druggies, they drank top shelf only.

These women are lazy, except the mamasan, they want quick money and are masters at manipulating men. They would not be in an AMP if they did not want to be there! Lying is part of their job and way of life, did you come Hon? Was it as good for you? Is my dick really big? They sell fantasy, erotic dreams, and once in a life time memories; fuck reality. When I go to Bangkok every girl you fuck has a sob story and wants you to take her back to USA.

I have a theory that pussy is powerful, most people do not know how powerful it is especially men. When you find a women that knows how powerful her pussy is and how to use it she will Mindfuck© you.

Kudlow buddy you have been Mindfucked© and worked like a trick, surprised? You have confused sex, lust and love they are not the same thing. Keep them at an arm’s length, stay cool and aloof, don’t show your emotions and never let them see you sweat; like my Baghdad buddy says the iceman gets his pick. When we pay a provider, it is not for love; like my Dutch Uncle Benchseats Rock says we don’t pay them for sex we pay them to leave and shut the fuck up.

So advice to you Kudlow, for a broken heart, get back on the horse and go find another piece of pussy. 50% of the people in this world have a pussy ain’t nothing particularly significant about any one, you can fall in love with any piece of pussy and that is OK just do not fall for the owner.

A philosophical

Big Red

Kudlow, thanks for the wisdom from experience. Agree that in developing a relationship with a provider, or anyone, you really need to get to know them before any real commitment.

BigRed, obviously you speak from experience, too, but I don't necessarily think every AMP girl necessarily comes from the same place or has the same view. But points well-taken. I do realize I have other options to developing relationships with Asian women besides providers.

Look forward to more comments from others

I tried replying last night but I don't think it went through. My apologies if I end up having 2 posts that are similiar. That said. I'm a new member but have been doing the AMP thing for quite some time. Basically what it boils down to is what you want in a girl and are you man enough to accept what she does for work because she will continue to work at least for awhile. Unless you are a multi-millionare she will. Be prepared to deal with that and all the crap that goes with it. If it turns into something serious be prepared to be exposed to the wonderful world of The Immigration System and all the paperwork, time and money involved. Maybe your gullible and an easy mark. Maybe she got caught up in it for the money. Maybe she really cares for you and your not just a customer. Or perhaps she's full of shit and your a fool. Quess what? You will never know, just like with anybody else you have a relationship with. I have spent time with several AMP girls out of the work place. From a movie to a dinner to spending a week with different ones at their homes (schedule our vacations for the same week). Some of them turned out to be really sweet girls and some I couldn't wait to get away from. So if you want to end up with a really faithful good woman who knows how to treat you like a man or if you want to just be used by some crazy liar go for it. You will never know if you don't try.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother]Kudlow, thanks for the wisdom from experience. Agree that in developing a relationship with a provider, or anyone, you really need to get to know them before any real commitment.[/QUOTE]

As one who has been in several relationships with K girls from AMPs, the experience can be very upsetting. They are very professional in most instances with clients. They even can come to care about someone who cares about them and treats them with respect. However, once they get in the business they find that in the right circumstances they can make very big money very fast without a great deal of labor. I'm sure there must be some who do not have vices but I haven't found any yet. Smoking is, with few exceptions, universal. Drinking to excess is the norm. Gambling is an addiction for many.

I agree with other posts that they enjoy the finer things in life the money gives them. And I am certain that, at least where K girls are concerned, they are not enslaved or indebted to anyone. They take vacations that last as much as a month at a time, and travel in the US and out of the US.

I believe if you are independently wealthy and can afford to give one you care about the same amount of money they normally would make working every week, they will still eventually find their way back to an AMP and will probably do so without your knowledge. Their mindset is very material.

As for the kitchen mama, she is very likely a former worker, probably was once a manager, and might very well own the place.

And yet, knowing all this, it's still hard for us guys to stay away. The best advice given here is to keep some distance, keep your preception of reality, and enjoy as much of the relationship as you can. As for major decisions, do not permit yourself to make any before you have spent at least 3 or 4 years with that person, even if on and off.

If they just weren't so damned pretty, sexy, passionate, good at what they do...

I wasn't going to post on this but ya all need to be snapped back into reality.

Stripper's SW's, Escort, AMP girls relationships, what?

You feel sorry for these poor women who make more in a day then most of you do in a week so you fall for them?

or

Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?

Then your surprised they lie?

Smack yourself up side the head and wake up or get a friend to do it for you because if you get burned in the heart or wallet you got exactly what you PAID for didn't you?

Don't set you standards so high and go out and find a nice girl that loves you and keep the pro's where they belong, as hobbies.

Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here.

SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck.

A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said.

Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker"


Jack

Human trafficing is when you take someone against their will or under false pretense to do something they don't want to do. Either being locked down or threat of violence would make them stay. Are there sex slaves in this country? Yes. Are there some really bad people involved in it? Yes. We are talking about AMP girls here. So that means we are talking about Korean girls. A few other nationalities here and there but mainly K-girls. All the AMP stores are Korean owned, usually by a woman. So now here is your new definition of human trafficing. You are in Korea. After talking to your friend in America (on your really expensive cell phone)you decide you would like to go there. You get a visa and 2 months later you are here. You have a very nice apartment that your friend set up for you or you stay with them in a very nice apartment. You eat at top notch restaurants and shop at high end stores. You spend $300. 00 getting your hair and nails done. You work for 3 weeks or maybe 1 month then you take 1 weeks vacation. Every 5 or 6 months you take 1 month off. While you are working you can come and go as you please. If you don't like the place for whatever reason you can be somewhere else in a few days. Also while you are on vacation you spend alot of time and ALOT of money being pampered at salons and shopping. The whole time you still have that expensive cell phone and your laptop so if you feel the need you can call the authorities to come rescue you from your dire situation. On a personal note Jack-Not all of us have to pay for it, at least not all the time. Stay safe.

Well, Jack Meoff2, you have the right to your perspective, but there's many of us who don't share it. And given that there are without question some who have had successful relationships with AMP girls, that proves that what you say is not true 100 percent of the time - even if it is "mostly" true.

Look, as I told someone in a PM, it's easy for all of us to feel "normal" while talking on here with other mongers, but a large portion of society has as negative an opinion of us as you do of providers. Keep that in mind. Some of us do the hobby behind a significant other's back, some as a primary form of female companionship. I've been in both places. It has its high points, but many (not all, to be sure) of us would long for that life-long happy relationship and not feel the need to "go out there." I look back on 20 years of mongering, off and on, in every way, shape and form, and have had a lot of thrills, but also sorrow and paid the price. It all depends where you come from and what you want in life.

Anyway, more to the point, many of us have a special attraction to Asian women. They're not all trafficked and they all don't have the same background. Many, yes -all, no.

In a few days since I made that first post, I've learned a lot from others who have shared their experiences with me, who have tried what I aspired to. Some good, some bad. Combine it together, and it tells me it's a long shot, but possible, and too keep my eyes wide open.

If you talk to me a month from now, I may tell you I've found someone on cupid or match.com, or in normal life, and I'm outside of the game, at least for awhile. People can change, even if it's hard and an uphill battle. For now, I'm in the AMP game and seeing if I can take the next step. Time will tell, but you won't have to tell me you told me so, because I'm well aware of most possible outcomes and will become moreso as more mongers share their experiences.

[QUOTE=Jack Meoff2]I wasn't going to post on this but ya all need to be snapped back into reality.
Stripper's SW's, Escort, AMP girls relationships, what?
You feel sorry for these poor women who make more in a day then most of you do in a week so you fall for them?
or
Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?
Then your surprised they lie?
Smack yourself up side the head and wake up or get a friend to do it for you because if you get burned in the heart or wallet you got exactly what you PAID for didn't you?
Don't set you standards so high and go out and find a nice girl that loves you and keep the pro's where they belong, as hobbies.
Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here.
SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck.
A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said.
Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker"


Jack[/QUOTE]


Who said they feel sorry for the AMP girls in the posts here?

"Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?"

And you know this how?

"Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here."

9 Posts and you're an expert on this subject? How many AMP girls have you had relationships with? How many have you known outside their place of business? Or are you just getting your information from the boiler plate press releases LE puts out? Those of us who have been around awhile and have been invited to hang out in the kitchens and break rooms know that these women are not trafficed and are definitely NOT trapped here. On that issue, you are very, very much mistaken.

"SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck."

Let's see, the forum is relationships with massage providers, all the posts are about massage providers - so where do SW's, pimps, and drug dealers fit into this thread?

"A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said."

True, but this particular forum is about massage providers.

"Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker" "

Again, nothing here about escorts.

You might want to rethink your participation on this website Jack. It does not sound as though you understand what the website is about and it certainly does not sound as though you have respect for either the mongers or the providers. Under the circumstances, why even bother to hang out here?

[QUOTE=Howrich]

"We are talking about AMP girls here. So that means we are talking about Korean girls. A few other nationalities here and there but mainly K-girls. All the AMP stores are Korean owned, usually by a woman. So now here is your new definition of human trafficing." [/QUOTE]Howrich, I dont know where you are and truly do not care, I am in the USA, did you not read about the 32 AMP's that were raided on the East Coast between Maine and Virginia last October I think it was? Hundreds were arrested and dozens charged with Human Trafficking. Please don't kid yourself about where many Amp girls come from or believe what they tell you.

[Quote=TwistedBrother]

"many of us have a special attraction to Asian women"[/QUOTE]So do I

[Quote=TwistedBrother]"If you talk to me a month from now, I may tell you I've found someone on cupid or match.com, or in normal life, and I'm outside of the game, at least for awhile. People can change, even if it's hard and an uphill battle. For now, I'm in the AMP game and seeing if I can take the next step. Time will tell, but you won't have to tell me you told me so, because I'm well aware of most possible outcomes and will become moreso as more mongers share their experiences"[/QUOTE]I'm not faulting you for what you do Brother and wish you the best of luck in both the hobby and finding someone outside of it. All I'm saying is remember it's a HOBBY and these are WORKING girls.


[Quote=Irish Male2]"Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?"

And you know this how?[/QUOTE]Because some of you are crying in your beer over bad relationships with AMP girls that you and anyone else PAYS to be with in the first place!

[Quote=Irish Male2]9 Posts and you're an expert on this subject? How many AMP girls have you had relationships with?[/Quote]Nine or nine hundred posts it does not take a rocket scientist to know you don't fall for a provider in the sex trade.

I have had ZERO relationships with AMP girls and never will. They provide a service that people PAY for. LOTS of people! ANYONE with a BUCK people.

Do I use their, oh yeah.

[Quote=Irish Male2]As one who has been in several relationships with K girls from AMPs, the experience can be very upsetting. [/Quote]You should know first hand that LTR's with AMP girls are a bad idea!

[Quote=Irish Male2]Those of us who have been around awhile and have been invited to hang out in the kitchens and break rooms. [/Quote]I am very happy that after paying for services that mamason lets you hang out in the kitchen and break room with the working girls. If I pass you on the way to a room with your GF in tow I will wave as I go by.

[Quote=Irish Male2]You might want to rethink your participation on this website Jack. It does not sound as though you understand what the website is about [/Quote]I thought this forum was about letting others know whats happening in different places around the country and perhaps the world (International Forum) with regards to the various hobbies that mongers and or provider partake in.

I also thought it to be a place for other hobbyists to assist their fellow mongers with other related matters if applicable; and my response was aimed at "Kudlow" who was stating he fell in love with an AMP girl after break up of a 10+ year relationship and who was obviously on the rebound.

I at no point disrespected anyone including providers. I simply pointed out to Kudlow and anyone else who would fall for a pro regarless of the genre of her profession that WE pay then for their company and THEY provide us a service and not to forget it.

And I assure you, am I far from new at this!

Happy Hunting

Jack

Hey twisted how are ya doing? How have you been?

Ok on to the main event:

About dating AMP girls

You guys are crazy to even try to date a AMP girl.

AMP girls are NOT all slaves bought and sold. MANY of them came over to the US when they were in there teens or older looking to make a new life in america (aka money). If you realy have a thing for asian women go out to your local chinatown/etc and try to hook up with one. They are not some lost treasure thats need special skills to aquire.

Most AMP girl work at the AMP to make money! Are there sex slave? Ofcourse there are. There are all types of slaves all over the world not just in the us and notjust sex slaves. But if you think for one min that they all are you are crazy and watch to much tv and believe to much of the governments "news" about what it really about. Alot of these girls are in it for quick easy money, thats it. They are not working to send money back to their starving family back in China / korea / vietniam / etc they are using that money to buy gucci bags and prada purses. HOW do I know this you say? What makes me the "expert" on the matter you ask? Because I know a few owners of such places all over the US. From NYC to LA to michigan. Most of the girls working at the AMPs are just like other women all over america flash some cash, spend on them and you get to play with kitty.

I have partied with many of them when me and my friends (their bosses) get together. And they have told me MANY stories about cleaning a guy out by making them buy them all the nice things in life. They will find the lonly older guy or the geeky looking guy and pretend to be this poor inocent girl that is traped in the life of an AMP worker looking for their hero and begging to be saved. Turth is many of these girl are what american like to call

! GOLD DIGGERS!

Shoot many of you guys on the forums should know this. They are not the long term diggers like anna nicole smith but short term diggers get a few grand and leave.

Now I know ther are some but not many that do really wanna leave and such but finding one is like finding a drug dealer that will give you a refund if you not satisfied.

Ohh by the way I'm asian and in my 20's if it matters.

Charged with human trafficing and convicted of human trafficing are two very different things. You can be charged with anything LE wants to charge you with but you are still innocent until proven guilty in this country. I am not the only one on here that has first hand knowledge of the unfettered freedom the K girls who work in AMPs have. This issue has been discussed many times on this website in various forums. And, for those of us who have followed the results of these busts, ultimately no one gets convicted of it. We know that human trafficing does exist and we know that some women are being kept as sex slaves. But I have not seen it yet in any AMP I have visited.

Jack, you are the one who is kidding yourself about where these K girls come from.

I can only speak for myself when it comes to relationships, but once I have gotten into a relationship with one, I no longer pay, and I suspect others who have had or are in relationships don't either. My most recent friend purchased over $500 in housewarming gifts for me, buys me food to bring home with me from the Korean market because I like some of it, and much to my discomfort picks up more lunch and dinner tabs than I do.

You say "some of you are crying in your beer over bad relationships with AMP girls." So, you believe those of us who replied to Twisted Brother weren't doing exactly what he requested? He was sharing information about his experiences and said, "I wanted to share some of this stuff and hear from others who may have tried." I guess if we were like you we should have jumped all over him instead of offering advice based upon our own experiences. The man asked us to share our experiences and we did. However, the only thing you shared was criticism. Your lack of respect as well as your lack of compassion is showing.

I disagree with your statement that you at no time disrespected anyone. It's my opinion that you did. You offered nothing in your original post that responded to Twisted Brother's request for sharing information about being in a relationship with a K girl. You just criticised every one for doing so and offered some points that just don't hold up under scrutiny.

Do you really believe that your statement, "Your so pathetic" in your original post, which was directed at posters below you in the thread, is not disrespectful? The man asked for others with the same experience to share their experiences with him.

So the man made a mistake by getting into a relationship with a K girl. Did he, or anyone else who responded to his request, deserve to be criticised for it? I don't think he did.

Hoping to see my "relationship candidate" (LOL) in the next day or two. I'll report on how it's progressing. Thanks for all perspectives to date and hope to hear more. Can never hear enough good stories or perspectives.

Come on now guys. Everybody gather around. You to Jack, get over here. O. K. Ready? Big Group Hug! Ahhh! Now doesn't that feel better? And it was free. Yes Jack, even for you. This debate could go on forever. Some of our experiences are similiar. Some are very different. We are beating a dead horse on this one.