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Is it just me or has every city in the state dried up? What happened. There used to be at least 30 posts a day now there are weeks between a single post. Bremerton SW's has dried all up. Tacoma now has one massage palor from a peak of 20 in the 80's. Have all the women gone to Craigs List? It doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Seadregs]Is it just me or has every city in the state dried up? What happened. There used to be at least 30 posts a day now there are weeks between a single post. Bremerton SW's has dried all up. Tacoma now has one massage palor from a peak of 20 in the 80's. Have all the women gone to Craigs List? It doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
Most of the prolific posters have switched to a competing board, which is sad because I always really enjoyed it over here. I would love to see a resurgance. But there are still lot's of SW's being picked up and lot's of reports.
[QUOTE=Civ2000]Most of the prolific posters have switched to a competing board, which is sad because I always really enjoyed it over here. I would love to see a resurgance. But there are still lot's of SW's being picked up and lot's of reports.[/QUOTE]
I remember a time when you could check this site on the hour and see something new! I'm in the Everett area and don't even waste time with the cruises anymore.
Question:has anyone noticed that on the daily bookings that none of the old names show up? I MEAN NONE! What gives? Not all these low life hoes could have skipped town! And not ALL of them can stay out of trouble that long!
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Question:has anyone noticed that on the daily bookings that none of the old names show up? I MEAN NONE! What gives? Not all these low life hoes could have skipped town! And not ALL of them can stay out of trouble that long!
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I don't know about that. I checked the register about two weeks ago and Hurricane Alison, Skinny Alison, CM Jenn, Rip off Gina, Raine, and Nikki were all in jail. And those are just the one's whose real names I know. No wonder it's so dead, they're all in jail, not that I'd pick up any of these (except Raine). I even saw one that had been in jail for six months and the only charge against her was a prostitution O & A.
yes. i think there has been some kind of decision made by the various sentencing judges to start maxing out the regulars. there is an article this week in the stranger about what appears to be a new juvenile court policy of sentencing **** sws to echo glen (the equivalent of walla walla) to "protect" them.
i know that one of my faves, marlo of tacoma/ federal way, showed up for a court date the 8th and has been out of commission since.
Thats was more to my thinking Titman. I live in the Everett area and not only do you nearly never see a ho anymore, none of the ones I know by name show up either.I was just curious if anyone heard of not putting hos on police blotters. It would make any difference because most have drug convictions.
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[QUOTE=Civ2000]I don't know about that. I checked the register about two weeks ago and Hurricane Alison, Skinny Alison, CM Jenn, Rip off Gina, Raine, and Nikki were all in jail. And those are just the one's whose real names I know. No wonder it's so dead, they're all in jail, not that I'd pick up any of these (except Raine). I even saw one that had been in jail for six months and the only charge against her was a prostitution O & A.[/QUOTE]I believe Skinny Alison has left the SW scene. I remember some time ago she had a baby, her parents found out about her life, and she got busted. She had to go into rehab and stop pedaling to keep visitation rights with her kid, whom her parents were now raising.
Has anyone tested the theory of the pressure by LE on SW scene is symptom of 9/11 homeland security finances from the Feds that gives local law enforcement agencies more resources to fight against terrorists but is allocated to eliminating and prosecuting SW instead.
It wouldnt surprise me that instead of fighting terrorism, local govt is just amping up against vices. There seems to be a nationwide campaign that is making the "hobby" less accessible. Seems like a waste of tax money but I guess that is the reality when you dont know where to fight the "real" enemy.
Otter
Otter,
you might have a point but, I would swing to the side of no.i think the war on prostitution depends on complaints, quotas and back door deals to clean up areas to bring in the dollars. In Everett the Broadway strip has completely changed. New businesses are popping up all over the place and good luck seeing a SW. It probably depends on what vice wants to work that week.
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Otter, Pariah
You both make some interesting points. I was thinking about this today as I cruised a completely vacant Bremerton area today.
During the Vietnam War when we still had local draft boards young criminals were often given a choice by the sentencing judge. Go across the hall and volunteer for the draft or serve your sentence. I met a few guys who did this. I myself volunteered but for different reasons.
What if these girls are getting picked up and are being encouraged into joining the military in some way. The action started dissipating about the time the military started having difficulty getting their quotas' filled.
Food for thought.
Any provider that joins the military is probably on her way to becoming a millionaire if she remains discret, especially if it's the navy. I am sure some
have gone that route. I met an exotic dancer here in Alaska who was paying her way thru school to become a commercial airlines pilot after doing such, but for her it was a peace time military so she didnt make as much as they probably could today.
Your point is well taken. What was that Abu Grav thing about? Some dumb
hillbilly who joined the service?
Otter
i do not think any of the home land security / war on terrorism money is being spent to crack down on prostitution. in fact i think those issues have resulted in less effort being focused on prostitution. there are really very few officers or resorces devoted to vice, other than drugs. most of what sets the priorities for policing, including vice somes from public opinion, or more accurately political consideration.
those influential individuals, and more importantly the special intrest groups (who are mostly just ordinary people, grouped together to become "faceless" orginazations). the nra, aclu, afl-cio, planned parrenthood, madd, moral majority, and the vfw are all "special intrest groups" that most of us have all heard of. there are other smaller, less well (or even virtually unkown to the general public) sig's that influence policing on our streets. this includes the police unions, aclu, and those "dog walkers" near the aurora bridge and in the rainier valley, as well as mothers against police (something, i can not recall, mostly black mothers of convicted criminals). of course budget considerations, including grants from state and federal govt. influence policing priorities too.
imho it is standard politics to try to "clean up the streets" as we head into a major political season. that and several "major" "news" stories about street prostitution, young (****) teenage girls involved in prostitution, and especially stories about prostitution on craigs list!!!! *shocking*
this tends to be the cycle of things. i think the apparent success of craig's list, and other non-street places for providers to get customers. not to mention that a provider can work many fewer clients each week, with less risk of leo busting them, nor having to stand out in the rain. of course some of those providers, and those that can not manage (denny park / rainier valley, etc. types) are limited to street walking.
Despite "News" Stories, the US Armed Services have for the most part met their recruiting goals, despite a (small) increase to the size of the Active and Reserve forces; albeit still only about 2/3rds-1/2 the size they were in the late 80's/Desert Storm. It is also true that they are allowing persons up to 42 years old to join the Army (the other services still have a limit of, 38 or 39 I think, which goes back to before the 60's, let alone the Volunteer Military of the mid 1970's). And yes they are also giving about 5% more waivers for criminal offences (mostly minor drug possesions and simple assault).
Further more it is against the Law and Military Regulations for a JUDGE to Order a person to join the Armed Services in liue of a prison sentance. (Not to say that some {mostly small town/county} policing agencies might suggest it to some individuals, rather than charging them.) I can not believe that any "known" providers are being "sent" into the Armed Forces to "get them off the street".
So while there are no convicted (or otherwise known to the authorities) "professional providers" are joining the Armed Forces. Nor do I think do any (or at least not a significant number) of young women who used to be providers who have no criminal record are joining the Armed Forces. Few of any who might attempt to do so would be likely to pass the screening / training to enter the Armed Forces.
My opinion on their background, however, is irrelevant; for their are many ****** now in uniform. And by ***** I mean Accepting, even Demanding MONEY FOR SEX. In the past (World War Two and since) it was common for women to have sex with soldiers, sometimes for (often even most of the time) for "love" or at least with the intent (often demand) for marriage; of course sometimes just for fun. This remained true into the 1990's.
Then a signifficant, dramatic change occured. It started actually during Desert Shield Desert Storm. Partially it was due to a far higher percentage of women in the Armed Forces, especially in foward deployed units, ships, etc. Partially (IMHO) it was a cultural change (more on that later). These factors (and others) were, and continue to be exaccerbated by a virtual ban on access to prostitutes to the US Armed Forces (and even a rather strict limitation on porn).
The US Armed Forces have been far less tollerant of prostitution than nearly any other military past or pressent. This has been for "moral" reasons, but even more driven by medical issues. This was dramatically true in World War One, where in contrast to the French and British armies who had something like 100,000 soldiers Each who had to pulled from military duties due to Venereal Diseases. The US Army had a rate of less than 1 man in 1000 who had to be treated for VD (by contrast the British and French had 50-100 times that Percentage!).
Preventing VD's was almost an obession with General Pershing, he demanded Daily reports on the matter, and checked up on any VD cases when he routinely inspected a unit. He rejected offers from the French military and civil govt. to open liscened brothels in the areas occupied my the US Army. The US Army chose (in the words of offical historians) a Represive approach to American Dough Boys frequenting prostitutes. The Army did, however, provide prophylatics, and medical checks to local French citizens (not just prostitutes or even just women in general; this was to prevent other forms of disease too.) It was an extremely successful policy.
For many reasons the US Armed Forces were unable to duplicate the success of the AEF in WW I during the rest of the 20th Century. That is until Desert Shield in 1990. The near total isolation of American forces from any civilian population, let alone prostitutes, along with an OBSESSION of avoiding any sort of "negative relations between members of the US Armed Forces and locals"; or any other form of "Bad Press" exacerbated long standing US military proclivities.
But there was an "outlet" of sorts. Of course, as I mentioned earlier, there has been since at least WW II women in uniform, some of whom were willing to provide sexual favors; some probably did so for money. The US Armed Services and their civilian masters did as much as possible to supress any news reports on sex between service members. One of the "better known" incidents was the situation aboard a US Navy logistical vessel the Sammuel Gompers, which became know as "the Love Boat" where over 100 women BECAME pregnant while in the Persian Gulf!!!
Technically this was nearly the entire complement of women on board (about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total crew), because many women were rotated off the boat (mostly due to Becoming pregnant) it was perhaps 1/2 the women aboard who became pregnant. We can only speculate how many women engaged in sexual relaions without becoming pregnant. This is just the "best known" of many incidents. There were also dozens, in fact I believe hundreds of cases of (mostly men) who were charged with Conduct Unbecoming (an Officer or NCO) for having sexual relations with women in their chain of command.
There were a few incidents of women service members being charged with various charges under the UCMJ for offering Sex for Money. The military hushed it up to "preserve its image" and the media and civil govt. mostly hushed it up because they did not want a few Bad Apples to taint what a "good job" so many women did in the armed services. (While many women Did do a good job, there were also Many women who did a poor job, or used pregnancy to get out of theater, or out of the service all together.) Some of them (women in uniform) the "best service" they did, or could provide were sexual services, for cash or not!
Mostly I think this is because of the Huge temptation of Big money! The GI's have quite a bit of avialable cash, and virtually no access to any prostitutes, or even non-prostitutes! While most of the women in uniform who engage in sexual relations with other service members do Not do so for money; many of them do recieve other favors. This might be tradional ones of "love", even marriage, it may also be for easier duty, better evaluations, etc., some of these incidents may be coerced by male NCO's or Officers in charge of these women. In some cases these are other Women NCO's or Officers who are "Pimping Out" female service members who may be Willing, or in some cases (at least innitially UNwilling!
While not that big a number of women in uniform have engaged in sex for money. It is a HUGE increase over what it has been before 1990! Certainly Much Larger a number of incidents in a "war zone" than has ever occured. This is partially because they have a "captive audience" of men that have no other access to pussy. IMHO it is also part of the "Hip-Hop Culture" which extends to Americans of all race, and most backgrounds.
For the most part, IMHO, these women would Not engage in prostitution back in the US. They are the "type" of young woman who might well be willing to appear in a "Girls Gone Wild" video. Now that "Pimp'n" and to a certain degree being a "Ho" is Cool, a significant number of women are willing to engage in Sex for Money; often a LOT of Money!!! While it is definately a case of YMMV I have heard of a common range of $300 to $1000!!! Of course the granting of other favors, such as easy duty, or Not having to go on that convoy that might get ambushed or hit by an IED.
The fact is that very few women in uniform are offering these services, none-the-less, there are now more ****** in Uniform, than we have ever had before! And these women are Not former ****** on a "defered sentance". Nor are they (like prostitutes around here) exclusively blacks or other minorities. It is as likely to be "Mary J. Rottencrotch" from Smallburg Middle (class) America!
I am posting that I will be in Seattle from Alaska and staying in a four STAR hotel in the next week. I will be checking out the stroll on foot but have not inclination to pick up something at DP.
I think I know where to look and I will stay out of trouble. Seattle is really a territory for those local experts. Not us people who want them to go back to our hotel room on foot. Yes we can catch a cab.
What I am amazed is all the great posts we get off the Seattle board from the Senior member who have not gone to competing boards. My hats off to you.
If only America started to be intelligent and take a policy of vitemless crime. The result is more tax money coming in and less correctional facility cost, less rape, and more productive males likely not to engage in sexual harassment behavior.
Your words from an ANGRY LEFTIST,
OT