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[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3849707]One of the problems with making it legal is underage girls getting into it. Studies show in places where it is legal including NV the local girls who are underage are more likely to become involved. In every country where it is legal human trafficking is very high its higher in NV than any where in the USA. What better place to sell something illegal than where something that look like it is legal? No one love the hobby more than me and I would love to see it legal but my mind is at a cross road when it comes to the thought of more and more minors become victims of trafficking or by choice getting into the hobby. I have blogged on hampster about it and ask those who hobby to call the police if they see a minor at a motel or if they encounter a woman who seems to be forced. The hobby is a good thing and fun but its for people who are of legal age of consent and of their own free will decide to engage in its activity. Thats just my 2 cents I'm sure someone will correct me LOL but I can share links to studies that wasnt written by human rights showing how trafficking goes up where ever it is legal.[/QUOTE]I know what "studies" you are talking about and they are full of shit.
In countries where prostitution is legal there is next to zero trafficking. Commercial sex is legal in nearly all the rest of the developed world. Amnesty international has alienated themselves from their Hollywood supporters because it is their opinion that LEGAL prostitution, which removes criminality from the industry is the single biggest thing that will end trafficking and abuse of sex workers, I'm not saying that and I'm not saying "studies" are saying it Amnesty International is saying it.
[URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights[/URL]
Rhode Island accidentally legalized home based prostitution and want guess what happend? Rape nearly disappeared.
[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/how-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-2014-7[/URL]
The "Study" you're talking about [URL]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065[/URL] where they say that the "inflow of trafficked people is higher in Western Europe where prostitution is legal?
They include anybody who ENTERS the Schengen zone illegally to work as a prostitute as a trafficked person. That means some Russian chick who willingly goes to Germany to work in a brothel and overstays, she's now a trafficked person.
Here [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/#22f9d6f45727[/URL].
Where they claim that by criminalizing prostitution in Sweden they cut down on the trafficking? What they did was make paying a hooker illegal, she can still sell pussy legally but if you buy it you're breaking the law. So those guys just jump on a Norwegian Air flight and go to Germany and fuck around in the FKK's.
This is the truth, no matter what the thing is prohibition is bad. Booze in the 20's, drugs since the 30's, and prostitution always. Making something a crime brings criminals to the sector, always happens. I have traveled the world over and I have never, not once, ever seen somebody chained to a bed or locked in a room in a legal brothel. Not one single time. Crime happens in secret, crime happens when people have to hide.
Here' this is an actual sex worker telling you what sex workers want. [URL]https://www.ted.com/talks/juno_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want[/URL].
There are people for lots of different reasons who want to restrict your ability to buy sex, they lie to support their claims. Just like Harry Ansliger lied about weed to create an agency to combat drugs. I'm not trying to fight, but none of what you have been told is true.
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This is the truth, no matter what the thing is prohibition is bad. Booze in the 20's, drugs since the 30's, and prostitution always. Making something a crime brings criminals to the sector, always happens. I have traveled the world over and I have never, not once, ever seen somebody chained to a bed or locked in a room in a legal brothel. Not one single time. Crime happens in secret, crime happens when people have to hide.
[/QUOTE]I am in agreement with Admin on this, and am of the same opinion as Amesty International on the matter.
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In countries where prostitution is legal there is next to zero trafficking. Commercial sex is legal in nearly all the rest of the developed world. Amnesty international has alienated themselves from their Hollywood supporters because it is their opinion that LEGAL prostitution, which removes criminality from the industry is the single biggest thing that will end trafficking and abuse of sex workers, I'm not saying that and I'm not saying "studies" are saying it Amnesty International is saying it.
[URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights[/URL]
[/QUOTE]The problem in our hobby is not the bad things that some people within it do. And just to be clear, I'm not saying forced sex, or child sex trafficking is okay. What I am saying is that I think there is a misunderstanding between the various cause and effect relationships among things that is largely perpetuated by the ignorance of religious people, who influence our politicians, who then in turn write and pass laws that affect the rest of us. That in turn, empowers LE to go after all hobbyists, not just the bad people, and diverts LE resources that could be used exclusively for going after the people that are the real problem. (Like pimps that use minors for example.).
Just imagine, if instead of spending all the millions that they do on going after all hobbyists, that they took a more targeted approach, and focused more on the real problems instead of also going after people completely unrelated to the problem (such as consenting adults). My guess is that you would have fewer "consenting adults" in jail, while having more pimps, rapists, and serial killers that target SWs in jail, which is how I think it should be.
Decriminalization does not cause minors or anyone else to be forced into the sex trade. I can not think of one single instance, where that could clearly be demonstrated as being the case. What decriminalization does do is make it so that consenting adults can be allowed to do what they should have always been allowed to do all along. Which is fuck in peace.
They have legalization in their platform.
[QUOTE=JethRotheRed;3855498]They have legalization in their platform.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you brought them up. I almost forgot about them.
[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3863823]Well I can't argue and I appreciate knowledge if you correct a wise man you will only add to his wisdom, correct a fool and you will only make him angry. We have to remember that the USA makes tons of money by keeping things illegal. A lot of people don't no that this country invest in prisons and allow the private sectors to invest in prisons. Prisons are modern day slavery bc a lot of companies have their products made in prisons. It use to be mainly license plates but now every thing you can think of is made in prison. Big companies invest in building prisons get their products made for a fraction of the cost and high retail it to the consumers. With that said in order to keep the profits flowing they need a high rotation of people to work. In some cases they give young people long sentences so they can work for years and years for free. So of course they don't want to legalize prostitution drugs or anything else to keep the prison population at a max. Thanks for your response.[/QUOTE]For profit prisons are going to end up being one of the top ten most shameful things that America has ever done. There have already been judges caught because they were accepting bribes to send more people to prison.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/12/pennsylvania-judge-gets-life-sentence-for-prison-kickback-scheme/#5ba0c8344aef[/URL]
This motherfucker should ride the fucking needle. He was ruining kids lives to make money. I don't know what happened to the country I grew up in but it no longer exists.
[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3863823]Well I can't argue and I appreciate knowledge if you correct a wise man you will only add to his wisdom, correct a fool and you will only make him angry. We have to remember that the USA makes tons of money by keeping things illegal. A lot of people don't no that this country invest in prisons and allow the private sectors to invest in prisons. Prisons are modern day slavery bc a lot of companies have their products made in prisons. It use to be mainly license plates but now every thing you can think of is made in prison. Big companies invest in building prisons get their products made for a fraction of the cost and high retail it to the consumers. With that said in order to keep the profits flowing they need a high rotation of people to work. In some cases they give young people long sentences so they can work for years and years for free. So of course they don't want to legalize prostitution drugs or anything else to keep the prison population at a max. Thanks for your response.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's money that is the root of the problem with decriminalization. I think the root of the problem is religion and politics, and from there special interests were born along with lots of money being poured into the criminal justice system. That said, it's not just the investors and stakeholders of privately owned prisons that stand to benefit from keeping things the way they are, but also the LEOs that go after us and the SWs. I'm sure many of the LEOs out there are making house payments, car payments, paying for their kids to go to college, maybe saving up to buy a boat, etc.
According to Google, the average LEO pay is $61,000 and the average LEO Chief pay is $193,000 a year. Assuming a 40 hour work week, that's $31/ hr for a LEO, and a $100/ hr for a LEO Chief. So when a LEO sees us on Sugar Creek trying to get some action for 20 bucks or whatever, there is quite a financial incentive for them to go after us. They could look the other way and potentially put their job at risk, or quit and find another line of work, but I think more times than not, that money talks to them. I mean $30/ hr just to put someone that is harmless, in hang cuffs, over just wanting to have sex? How much easier could it get?
[QUOTE=Admin2;3863827]For profit prisons are going to end up being one of the top ten most shameful things that America has ever done. There have already been judges caught because they were accepting bribes to send more people to prison.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/12/pennsylvania-judge-gets-life-sentence-for-prison-kickback-scheme/#5ba0c8344aef[/URL]
This motherfucker should ride the fucking needle. He was ruining kids lives to make money. I don't know what happened to the country I grew up in but it no longer exists.[/QUOTE]I agree. At times, it has left me thinking about renouncing my US Citizenship and going to go live in a country where the hobby is completely legal, and you can make good money living there without all the BS of America. I grew up under the impression that America is the greatest country in the world to live in, but as an adult, I've come to find that belief to be questionable at best. Germany doesn't sound like it would be too bad of a choice when I think about it. That or perhaps The Netherlands.
For some reason, I had thought Trump would be good for our hobby when he got elected, or at least better than Clinton, but it appears I was wrong to think that. Despite being the kind of guy that says, you just "Grab 'them by the pussy", and paying $10,000 to have sex with porn star like Stormy Daniels, he actually seems to be just as bad of a choice as Clinton as far as our hobby goes because he signed the SESTA and FOSTA legislation.
[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3876560]She OK pretty good service but she's not worth more than the normal rate if anything just like most of them her rates are to high. You guys keep telling chicks they worth more and driving the rates up to high. Even street chicks being told to charge more its crazy.[/QUOTE]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.
I agree. You get what you pay for. Can't have champagne taste with beer money
[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE].
I agree with that comment Alyssa / Sasha is well worth the $$ for an hr off top service like she offers to us guys and the money is well worth the trip to see her and she really in in a class off her own. Never rushed or feeling that after you left the service was rush to get you out the door and next is on the way. When she move on to another level and you missed out. Well it will be to late to get a chance to see her.
[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE]