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AllSeasonLv
09-12-12, 12:17
I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.
My adorable HCB with whom I have had a regular affair for 1 1/2 years got a phone call at her work place from my W, who also talked to her boss, and also left a message on her parents VM about her seeing a married man. This slash and burn effort appears to have sunk my relationship which was the intended result. Talk about a dirty play, to hurt a young girl so deeply.
The moral of the story is don't get emotionally attached to a SB or don't play around at all as a married man. Also, be careful what you expose your SB to if you are married. Perhaps they shouldn't play in this arena with married men on the side. If they are young and inexperienced then they are vulnerable.
And, how can I ever consider re-establishing any sort of love relationship with a woman who would do this sort of thing?
My adorable HCB with whom I have had a regular affair for 1 1/2 years got a phone call at her work place from my W, who also talked to her boss, and also left a message on her parents VM about her seeing a married man. This slash and burn effort appears to have sunk my relationship which was the intended result. Talk about a dirty play, to hurt a young girl so deeply.
The moral of the story is don't get emotionally attached to a SB or don't play around at all as a married man. Also, be careful what you expose your SB to if you are married. Perhaps they shouldn't play in this arena with married men on the side. If they are young and inexperienced then they are vulnerable.
And, how can I ever consider re-establishing any sort of love relationship with a woman who would do this sort of thing?Hernando,
I'm truly sorry you're enduring these trials, which I'm sure all of us married guys will agree is our worst nightmare. If we're being honest with each other, nobody in your situation is without fault. We could make all manner of excuses for your wife, but didn't our mamas teach us that two wrongs never make a right?
You ask how you could ever consider reestablishing a loving relationship with your wife; I think the question is whether you really want to or not. If you do, it will require no small amount of forgiveness by you for what she's done. (This assumes she is willing to forgive you, too.) I've seen relationships of family members torn apart by lingering resentment. If neither of you can let it go, it might be time to move on, or you'll be living in a constant state of tension.
Just my two cents, for what it's worth, because I've never been in your shoes (and knock on wood never will be).
I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.You did the right thing
I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.You absolutely did the right thing. This happened to me once, too. Only the money was supposedly to stave off eviction. My guess is that most of these requests come from scammers.
On advances in general, and I know this has been discussed before, never give more than you are prepared to lose forever. Never assume you'll be repaid. I speak from personal experience.
AOneFred7734
09-12-12, 18:40
I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.Take you money and run I've been to the sa site dot see much there yet but just how much $$$ are we talking?
Tiny eye (dot com) is your friend, If the Pics look that good, (TGTBT) search them on tiny eye. If she is a scammer, she is likley using stolen pics. Tiny eye finds the origonals. Always error on the side of caution.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
Wow! Are the SD's in this Forum having a bad week or what?
AllSeasonLv,
You did the right thing! 1800 in advance. GTF! My Southern Belle SB just asked me for $$$$$ cause she was short for a transmission repair. The answer was no. I told her "I'll spend that on us. But not on your car." And she is still talking to me.
Hernando,
Damn I am sorry to hear that man. I cringed when I read your story. Not to be disrespectful of your wife, but that is some straight up crap you would expect from a Nando1 except the other way around.
SubCmdr out
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.As others have said, you bloody well did the only possible thing in that situation. If you haven't heard from her at all after that very polite, well worded, completely reasonable response, it was likely a scam. Even if she really did have a car repair bill, it doesn't sound like you were in a position to do much about it.
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I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.Don't you hate messages like that. What a way to ruin a potentially good relationship. Since I've been playing in the SB arena, I've been asked for $$$$$ up front by one SB, asked for help with renting a new place from another that was just kicked out of her parent's house, asked for help getting utilities turned back on, asked for help with a cell phone bill then payment for an on-line shopping spree, and asked for money to buy a new cell (ex boyfriend stole it). I have not contributed to any of the above requests except to pay a $95 cell bill, which later did pay off by an eventual trip to the FC. All of these SBs had been seen by me at least once before they made the request. $1800 is a ridiculous amount to pay out, even if it had been a long term arrangement, I would never pay out that much sugar in hopes of ever seeing it (or her) again. If you had paid this out, it would have only been the beginning of many many more such requests and you would likely have never seen the inside of a FC with her anyway. Run. Don't walk away as fast as possible.
EuroInCincy
09-13-12, 09:02
So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.The right thing to do was like I did once. Say yes. Then drive to a toy store, get a monopoly game and had her the $$$$ in monopoly.
It worked for me.
Gee I think you ned to call the CDC, this seems like a GPS epidemic. Boy am I happy with my young one, in the past 6 months. Some coffee, some fruit, a corset 2 pairs of heels, and lot of thanks for teaching her new things, like climaxing on command, without touching.
FeelGoodMd
09-13-12, 11:40
I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.First, welcome to the forum All Season. I'm not a vet myself, so it's always nice to see new members show up.
I believe I had a very similar experience with the exact same SB a few months ago. No public pictures, sent them to my shadow email, stunning mixed race woman, emailed for a week or so before setting up a meet, and the night before she emails to ask for $1200 to pay her tuition.
My email reply was: "This isn't going to work out between us, (name). Good luck." I never heard back from her either.
I'll add to the unanimous verdict that you did exactly the right thing!
AOneFred7734
09-13-12, 14:05
first, welcome to the forum all season. I'm not a vet myself, so it's always nice to see new members show up.
I believe i had a very similar experience with the exact same sb a few months ago. No public pictures, sent them to my shadow email, stunning mixed race woman, emailed for a week or so before setting up a meet, and the night before she emails to ask for $1200 to pay her tuition.
My email reply was: "this isn't going to work out between us, (name). Good luck." i never heard back from her either.
I'll add to the unanimous verdict that you did exactly the right thing!Pay as you go!
HollywoodGuy
09-13-12, 21:14
[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1542627]I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.
I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.
I never pay in advance of a real interview. I used to do that in the beginning many years ago. Would not consider that now. And I probably do miss out on a few nice ones. And there are exceptions to every rule. But very few.
My adorable HCB with whom I have had a regular affair for 1 1/2 years got a phone call at her work place from my W, who also talked to her boss, and also left a message on her parents VM about her seeing a married man. This slash and burn effort appears to have sunk my relationship which was the intended result. Talk about a dirty play, to hurt a young girl so deeply.Nothing comes as a surprise once the wife has the knowledge she needs to contact others. In terms of intellectual honesty the wife was hurt and lashed out. This is what people do, particularly women. The wife may not be done with this.
The moral of the story is don't get emotionally attached to a SB or don't play around at all as a married man. Also, be careful what you expose your SB to if you are married. Perhaps they shouldn't play in this arena with married men on the side. If they are young and inexperienced then they are vulnerable.In terms of intellectual honesty the moral to the story includes married men have greater risks than unmarried babies; married men expecting to keep the lid on something like this for 1 1/2 years is asking a lot. Keeping the lid on for three weeks was asking a lot. Things have a habit of adding up when we're watched closer than we realize.
This situation could have happened in reverse. The SB will screw the pooch when her needs are not being met just as quickly, with much less to lose, which to a woman means when she is rejected.
And, how can I ever consider re-establishing any sort of love relationship with a woman who would do this sort of thing?Nando, you can't if you think you can't and you may not have the opportunity. When things are more settled the wife will be asking herself the same question. Women never forget. She knew much earlier and was in denial herself. That's how this works. She has as much anger directed toward herself as she does toward you.
Sorry.
Gee I think you need to call the CDC, this seems like a GPS epidemic.GPS epidemic indeed! 32 year old pot SB off of SA won't accept my sugar offer. Says she has a girlfriend on the site in the same area that gets 1K a meet and since her SD could not meet her request of 5K a month she is now seeking additional SD's. Wow! Is it airborne or in the water.
Not to fret. A 33 year old MILF took my offer twice last week and should be taking it again tonight. And a nice 23 year old took my offer without any up front discussion of sugar.
The best Rx for GPS is to ignore. As I have said before: Keep your total CPO low!
The Cmdr be counting ALL dem digits because his pockets ain't fat.
SubCmdr out
My brothers,
Despite my statement, just a few days ago, that I was a one-woman SD, I've been tempted by recent e-mails and winks on SA. Yes, I still have my 18yo HYB, and she's great. ATF is in the picture, but for all intents and purposes, we're done; she sees me mainly as an ATM now, and my CPO has skyrocketed lately. But I'm starting to realize that, as long as I'm in this game, I'm not really a one-woman man. Plus, you never know when one will disappear on you, or when you might have to cut one loose yourself.
Pot1 says she is 43, and from the looks of her pic, she's one hot MILF. Divorced with kids (not sure how many) and lives about 30 minutes from me. We talked on the phone a couple days ago after I gave her my number. She says she has a steady job, and she doesn't sound psycho. Still, she's a little too eager to meet, so we agreed to dinner next week to see where things go. She suggested going straight to a hotel, but I'm a bit too cautious to try that. We can always end up there if dinner goes well. Says her needs are modest and that we can 'talk about it in person. ' I suspect she'll ask for more than I'm willing to give, but we'll see. Dinner scheduled for Monday.
Pot2 is a 32yo separated woman who lives about an hour and a half from me. A bit far for my tastes, but she said up front she's willing to travel. We were having a nice e-mail exchange, but she suddenly cut off contact yesterday. I suspect my statement along the lines of 'I'm happy to help out from time to time but cannot be your entire source of support' rubbed her the wrong way. She was all business from the first contact, so I'm not sorry to see her go. I felt as if I needed to be clear about my expectations, and she apparently feels I'm not right for her.
Pot3 is another 18yo student. I thought she was local, but turns out she goes to college far, far away. But she says she returns home regularly. Might be a good possibility for an occasional FC visit with very few, if any, strings attached. Told her to contact me when she's coming back to town; we'll see.
Pot4 is a 27 hottie who texted me within a few hours of my making contact. She was easy to converse with and seems to have a stable job and life. Looks like your attractive girl-next-door type. She was eager to meet (as was I) , but our schedules haven't synced. Having not heard from her in a few days, I'm pessimistic it'll happen. I plan to re-try contact later in the week.
Pot5 is a 21yo mocha HYB who is all about the sugar bowl. I get the impression that, if she hasn't done this before, she's at least done her reading on what to expect. I am wary she may suffer from GPS, but our discussions haven't turned to specifics yet. She suggested a lunch meeting because she 'doesn't like meeting strangers during the day. ' OK, I guess. We're trying to set a day for lunch next week. Only one pic on her profile, which is hot, but doesn't include her face. Couldn't send me any more because she 'just got a new phone. ' Potential red flags abound, so I'll proceed with defenses at their highest levels.
Obviously, I can't keep them all at the same time, but what I'm really looking for anyway is to expand my little black book a bit, so that I have someone to call when the need arises. I suspect at least a couple of these Pots will be ok with that. Time will tell. It's going to be a busy next couple of weeks.
Keep on writing,
Joe
John G Smith
09-14-12, 07:41
Well sites like SA are promoting more and more to SBs that if they join their site, that some rich guy will pay them 3-5k grand a month to be their arm-candy and go on lavish vacations, and etc. It's how they attract SBs to sign-up. Also sugar daddy sites have been in the news more and more lately, which of course promote the stories of very wealthy SDs giving college girls the life of luxury.
That said, while there is an influx of SBs with GPS, only a small minority of girls on those sites actually land a big fish. Given enough time the vast majority of other girls will either settle for less or just decide they don't need the money that bad and quit looking for a SD altogether.
Just remember unlike any other dating site like Match. Com or OKCupid, with SD sites the numbers are on our side. The guys are the hot commodity. If a SB tries to corner you with an upfront payment, just walk away if it's something you're not comfortable doing. There are plenty more SBs out there. And if there isn't a SB today, there will probably be one tomorrow or maybe next week. Every single guy on this forum who has used a SD site has gotten laid at least once, so that should tell you just how much is out there. I'm actually trying to be more picky myself because it's just too easy to overdose on whatever ends up in your inbox if you're not careful. I'm trying to go for quality instead of quantity.
I do sympathize though. It's always frustrating to spend time corresponding with a pot SB just to have everything crash down in the final negotiation when financials are being hammered out. It's why I've mentioned before I'm always a big believer in doing the vast majority of the financial discussion prior to the first meeting. It doesn't mean you have to finalize every single detail of the arrangement prior to the M&G, but you get the meat and potatoes out of the way so you don't end up wasting your time and gas money on a unexpected GPS.
Looks like a lot of us had a rough week (mine started off bad, but it ended good). Hopefully this is just a minor blip and soon we'll all have excellent tales to share of our successful SB adventures.
Corresponding with a pot SB. She is 18, brunette, a student and hot. But she lives at home and she wants me to come pick her up at her parents house. So, I'm very uncomfortable with this scenario. Smells like swine may be in the area. I put her through the verbal rigors trying qualify her as legit. Eventually she gives me her address. I check it out and I'm comfortable with it. Then went into negotiations. She gives me $500. I say $100. She says $400 final offer. I say no. She comes back with 'I like you' $300. I say $300 no time limit. She agrees. She is hot. I am horny. As I continue negotiations with other Pot SB's I realize I've made a bad deal for the area she is in. So I cancel our meeting. She asks why. I say her request is too high.
After about a week she hits me back up and tells me she has a friend that willing to see me for $. Ask her if she is running a stable. She says no just trying to help out a friend who needs money. I tell her to send me a picture of her friend she does. Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot. Brunette tells me Blonde wants to do a threesome because she have never done this before and would feel more comfortable having her there. I tell Brunette no. I'm not doing a threesome with two women I don't know unless it is free. Blonde does not get to take a friend with her on her first day of work. So, I say have your friend get in touch with me directly. She does. We chat. And set up a time to meet.
Show up for the meet and both Blonde and Brunette is there. This is a little strange. Brunette introduces Blonde. All three of us greet. Brunette is hot. But Blonde has that white trash, meth head tweeker look. She is a little then for my tastes and Blonde hops into the car and off we go to the notel. During the ride to the notel we have a little conversation. She tells me she has had only one boyfriend. And she does not usually do this. I said 'You don't usually have sex. ' She says no 'I don't usually have sex with random men for money. ' I said 'Oh, are you good with this. ' Her response I need the money. I'm just not getting a good feeling from Blonde. So, before I go get the room I ask her again, 'Are you really ok with this. She says, no. I want my money up front. I tell 'No, if you want your money up front that makes you a prostitute. And I don't roll with prostitutes. ' She says, 'You are not paying much money so I'll fuck you but nothing else. I'm not going to suck your dick or give you any foreplay. I'm going to just get undressed and let you fuck me. That's it. ' I'm like 'Wait a second. Your friend told me that was the amount you were seeking. I just agreed to it. What we have here is a failure to communicate. ' What I was thinking to myself is 'Girl, you just been pimped! ' I tell her this is not going to work so I'll take her back to the pick up point. She gets on her cell phone and calls Brunette. Blonde is upset tell her friend she is on the way back. When I arrived at the original meeting spot Brunette was waiting there. She came over to the driver's side of my car. I rolled down the window. We started talking. She is not happy that I'm not getting with her friend. I explain that we had a miscommunication. Then she pisses me off. Brunette says that I'm ripping Blonde off. I told Brunette that she shouldn't be 'pimping her friend out. '
Next thing I know Brunette fires off a snap right hook that catches me solidly on my left cheek. Damn, the Cmdr is under attack. This is fucked up. I throw I open hand blow through the car door window that catches Brunette dead center of mass in her solar plexis. Brunette is down! I look over at Blonde who is still in the car. She looks like a dear caught in the headlights. I scream 'GET THE FUCK OUT MY CAR! '. Blonde starts to get out. I'm rolling up my driver's side window when Brunette plasters herself against my window like something out of a horror movie. She is screaming, 'I'll fuck you up. I'll fuck your car up. How you going to explain that to your wife? You cheating mother fucker! ' Wow! This situation is going downhill fast. Blonde finally gets out of my car. I reach over and shut the passenger door. I put my car into reverse and start backing up. Brunette hits my car again and screams 'Tell your wife hello for me you old cheating fuck! ' I drop the car into drive and burn rubber out of there.
I let my guard down and got jumped by a couple of garden tools. All this occurred, in a town house complex, in a suburb, in the middle of the day. No harm, no foul. But I think you can see how things could have gone horribly wrong. I made several tactical errors and one big strategic one. I hope others can learn from them.
Port of Call San Diego. Back at the Headquarters for West Coast Operations (HWCO). Reports continue that the waters off the coast of southern Cali remain a target rich environment. And I'm happy to report. It's true.
Start my trip out with a visit from my old West Coast ATF. I had fronted her some sugar in good faith. She came over and made good on her debt. But it was a quick and effortless performance with excuses that she had just come from class and had to go because of a early day at work. I was disappointed. She seemed to treat it more as in obligation. I decided it was time to move on.
I had several targets in my sights when I hit upon a new profile that caused me to bruise my knees on the ground hoping that she would give me a response. I received the response I hoped for and immediately began tracking. Email traffic lead to prompt scheduling of a meeting.
Pretty face, right age, right height, well proportioned body, nice legs. She is fucking hot. Great attitude! Perfect in every way for me. I could not have done any better if I ordered her out of a catalog! So far I've only found one defect. She smokes. But not around me and she doesn't smoke much.
She is a sexual animal. She puts some work in. But best of all she puts the time in. First meeting ended with us accidently falling asleep in each other arms. Waking up startled, we got dressed hit the road and I got her home just a hour before she had to be at work. Before the second meeting I sexted her with what I wanted her to wear and why. She showed up dressed perfectly. The evening started with dinner and ended with Brunch in the early afternoon hours the next day. Seems like we made a connection and it appears to be working for both of us. It's nice. It's comfortable. I've found my new ATF. I'm ready to leave my wife and move to the West Coast.
The Cmdr is sprung on the Kat!
SubCmdr Out
HollywoodGuy
09-14-12, 09:58
Next thing I know Brunette fires off a snap right hook that catches me solidly on my left cheek. Damn, the Cmdr is under attack. This is fucked up. I throw I open hand blow through the car door window that catches Brunette dead center of mass in her solar plexis. Brunette is down! I look over at Blonde who is still in the car. She looks like a dear caught in the headlights. I scream 'GET THE FUCK OUT MY CAR! '. Blonde starts to get out. I'm rolling up my driver's side window when Brunette plasters herself against my window like something out of a horror movie. She is screaming, 'I'll fuck you up. I'll fuck your car up. How you going to explain that to your wife? You cheating mother fucker! ' Wow! This situation is going downhill fast. Blonde finally gets out of my car. I reach over and shut the passenger door. I put my car into reverse and start backing up. Brunette hits my car again and screams 'Tell your wife hello for me you old cheating fuck! ' I drop the car into drive and burn rubber out of there.
I let my guard down and got jumped by a couple of garden tools. All this occurred, in a town house complex, in a suburb, in the middle of the day. No harm, no foul. But I think you can see how things could have gone horribly wrong. I made several tactical errors and one big strategic one. I hope others can learn from them.This story is so L. A. Except it was in san diego county. I posted on cookiejar that the biggest issue I have had is not with LEO, husbands / wives or exes. But the girls themselves.
Anyway. Was a little bored / lonely. So I ran my game on some lower hanging fruit on SD4ME. Took 15 minutes round trip to get this girl to my house. Nice bod. Pierced nips. Played around for an hour and took her home. Total damage $. Good skills and well worth training. Said she was hoping to become a porn star or stripper.
Told she could come over to work out at my home gym and I would put her on a diet to lose the last 10 lbs. I most never get all I want on a first date. I am sure the second one will be better once she understands all the techniques and stuff I am into. Very willing and got very hot. They don't call this the land of fruits and nuts for nothing. Its a two edged sword.
My brothers,
Here is the verbatim profile of a baby in my area. Her intro line is "Cash First". What do you guys think, should I send her a message?
"Username: Maria.
City / State: Gary, Indiana.
Country: United States.
Age: 19 years old.
Height: 1. 57 meters (5' 2")
Body Type: Slim.
Eye Color: Brown.
Hair Color: Dark Brown.
Ethnicity: Black.
Language: English.
Education: High School.
Occupation: None at the moment
Marital Status: Single.
Smoking Habit:Light Smoker.
Drinking Habit: Non-Drinker.
Summary: Cash first!
Description:
I am a beautiful young woman! Who is willing to give time and conversation company and compassion for a fee! My time will be worth my price! I'm sorry I got to honest a * got to get paid so come on and do what you signed up for on here be a surga daaaaddy! :a)
Kutie"pie (are e a l)
Arrangement I am Seeking.
I'm Seeking:Sugar Daddy AND Sugar Mommy
I Expect:US$1, 000. $3, 000 monthly
Description:
I'm lookinig for some one who wants a friends some they can talk to spend time with and have that compassion in their lives for a small fee of spoiling me! I get what I want when I want because I'm not a pest about it!
My time. I get what I want when I want it! No if ands or but"s about it!"
PM me if you want her profile #
Scott
HollywoodGuy
09-14-12, 13:25
My brothers,
Here is the verbatim profile of a baby in my area. Her intro line is "Cash First". What do you guys think, should I send her a message?
"Username: Maria.
City / State: Gary, Indiana.
Country: United States.
Age: 19 years old.
Height: 1. 57 meters (5' 2")
Body Type: Slim.
Eye Color: Brown.
Hair Color: Dark Brown.
Ethnicity: Black.
Language: English.
Education: High School.
Occupation: None at the moment
Marital Status: Single.
Smoking Habit:Light Smoker.
Drinking Habit: Non-Drinker.
Summary: Cash first!
Description:
I am a beautiful young woman! Who is willing to give time and conversation company and compassion for a fee! My time will be worth my price! I'm sorry I got to honest a * got to get paid so come on and do what you signed up for on here be a surga daaaaddy! :a)
Kutie"pie (are e a l)
Arrangement I am Seeking.
I'm Seeking:Sugar Daddy AND Sugar Mommy
I Expect:US$1, 000. $3, 000 monthly
Description:
I'm lookinig for some one who wants a friends some they can talk to spend time with and have that compassion in their lives for a small fee of spoiling me! I get what I want when I want because I'm not a pest about it!
My time. I get what I want when I want it! No if ands or but"s about it!"
PM me if you want her profile #
ScottPass on this one. Just MHO
What do you guys think, should I send her a message?If she is hot and you can get her for the right sugar amount why not? Sound like a "head in the car" kind of girl. Straight up garden tool with internet access. Be careful.
SubCmdr out
ILikeHotWomen
09-14-12, 14:39
I don't get what happened for you to refuse the offer? The paying up front or that she only was allowing you to stick it in?
Show up for the meet and both Blonde and Brunette is there. This is a little strange. Brunette introduces Blonde. All three of us greet. Brunette is hot. But Blonde has that white trash, meth head tweeker look. She is a little then for my tastes and Blonde hops into the car and off we go to the notel. During the ride to the notel we have a little conversation. She tells me she has had only one boyfriend. And she does not usually do this. I said 'You don't usually have sex. ' She says no 'I don't usually have sex with random men for money. ' I said 'Oh, are you good with this. ' Her response I need the money. I'm just not getting a good feeling from Blonde. So, before I go get the room I ask her again, 'Are you really ok with this. She says, no. I want my money up front. I tell 'No, if you want your money up front that makes you a prostitute. And I don't roll with prostitutes. ' She says, 'You are not paying much money so I'll fuck you but nothing else. I'm not going to suck your dick or give you any foreplay. I'm going to just get undressed and let you fuck me. That's it. ' I'm like 'Wait a second. Your friend told me that was the amount you were seeking. I just agreed to it. What we have here is a failure to communicate. ' What I was thinking to myself is 'Girl, you just been pimped! ' I tell her this is not going to work so I'll take her back to the pick up point. She gets on her cell phone and calls Brunette. Blonde is upset tell her friend she is on the way back. When I arrived at the original meeting spot Brunette was waiting there. She came over to the driver's side of my car. I rolled down the window. We started talking. She is not happy that I'm not getting with her friend. I explain that we had a miscommunication. Then she pisses me off. Brunette says that I'm ripping Blonde off. I told Brunette that she shouldn't be 'pimping her friend out. '
ILikeHotWomen
09-14-12, 15:48
So I did a brief search and it appears it is technically legal to do the sb / sd thing. Have any of you ever had any issues with the law while taking part in this field? I would imagine they would have a harder time proving something like this within this arrangement. Have any of you heard of stings going on in this arena? I have been thinking about going this route more and more because of the increasing amount of bs involved in the "more direct" route with these kinds of women.
If she is hot and you can get her for the right sugar amount why not? Sound like a "head in the car" kind of girl. Straight up garden tool with internet access. Be careful.
SubCmdr outSub,
I just don't have the Right Stuff, or whatever the aquatic equivalent is, to tangle with this kind of target. I should probably have included a picture as well. Solid gold grillwork and facial tats. She's more man than I'll ever be! I'll stick with my HYCBs. At least I'm never worried they're carrying a knife!
In other news, I'm heading down again to my favorite mountain hideaway, where the babies are all 23 and adorable! I am having zero luck at home, so this will be a welcome outing for Scottie and me. Poor fellow has hardly seen the light of day in months, and what with only one eye, he appreciates all the daylight he can get.
Magic, pick your barstool, my friend, and order us some refreshments!
I'll file a report upon my return.
Keep up the good work,
Scott
AOneFred7734
09-14-12, 17:10
Pass on this one. Just MHOI need to find a sugar moma 3000. 00 I would stop working LOL.
What do you guys think, should I send her a message?Scott,
Thanks for the laugh there! If I ever find out your considering hot messes like that. Were going to have a long chat. It sounds like the crazy pool & GPS syndrome is running high lately. Be careful guys. I promise, sane normal SB's are out there.
Mandy
One great story. What we do for the love the game. One day I will share mine. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
Corresponding with a pot SB. She is 18, brunette, a student and hot. But she lives at home and she wants me to come pick her up at her parents house. So, I'm very uncomfortable with this scenario. Smells like swine may be in the area. I put her through the verbal rigors trying qualify her as legit. Eventually she gives me her address. I check it out and I'm comfortable with it. Then went into negotiations. She gives me $500. I say $100. She says $400 final offer. I say no. She comes back with 'I like you' $300. I say $300 no time limit. She agrees. She is hot. I am horny. As I continue negotiations with other Pot SB's I realize I've made a bad deal for the area she is in. So I cancel our meeting. She asks why. I say her request is too high.
I don't get what happened for you to refuse the offer? The paying up front or that she only was allowing you to stick it in?Bad feeling from Blonde. Blonde asking for money up front. No oral is a deal breaker in ALL circumstances. Remember, I got SB's in my car, sucking my dick and swallowing in broad daylight to get their cell phones turned back onl
Gianni Versace
09-16-12, 03:22
Can anyone tell me what FC means? I can't seem to figure it out.
Thanks
ILikeHotWomen
09-16-12, 04:18
I hear you on the oral, I almost prefer that over anything else. I thought the SBs cost a lot more than escorts and streetwalkers. Are these sucking sbs good looking and young? If so, you need to start a class on sds for dummies! .
Bad feeling from Blonde. Blonde asking for money up front. No oral is a deal breaker in ALL circumstances. Remember, I got SB's in my car, sucking my dick and swallowing in broad daylight to get their cell phones turned back onl
Corresponding with a pot SB. She is 18, brunette, a student and hot. But she lives at home and she wants me to come pick her up at her parents house. So, I'm very uncomfortable with this scenario. Smells like swine may be in the area. I put her through the verbal rigors trying qualify her as legit. Eventually she gives me her address. I check it out and I'm comfortable with it. Then went into negotiations. She gives me $500. I say $100. She says $400 final offer. I say no. She comes back with 'I like you' $300. I say $300 no time limit. She agrees. She is hot. I am horny. As I continue negotiations with other Pot SB's I realize I've made a bad deal for the area she is in. So I cancel our meeting. She asks why. I say her request is too high.
After about a week she hits me back up and tells me she has a friend that willing to see me for $. Ask her if she is running a stable. She says no just trying to help out a friend who needs money. I tell her to send me a picture of her friend she does. Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot. Brunette tells me Blonde wants to do a threesome because she have never done this before and would feel more comfortable having her there. I tell Brunette no. I'm not doing a threesome with two women I don't know unless it is free. Blonde does not get to take a friend with her on her first day of work. So, I say have your friend get in touch with me directly. She does. We chat. And set up a time to meet.
Show up for the meet and both Blonde and Brunette is there. This is a little strange. Brunette introduces Blonde. All three of us greet. Brunette is hot. But Blonde has that white trash, meth head tweeker look. She is a little then for my tastes and Blonde hops into the car and off we go to the notel. During the ride to the notel we have a little conversation. She tells me she has had only one boyfriend. And she does not usually do this. I said 'You don't usually have sex. ' She says no 'I don't usually have sex with random men for money. ' I said 'Oh, are you good with this. ' Her response I need the money. I'm just not getting a good feeling from Blonde. So, before I go get the room I ask her again, 'Are you really ok with this. She says, no. I want my money up front. I tell 'No, if you want your money up front that makes you a prostitute. And I don't roll with prostitutes. ' She says, 'You are not paying much money so I'll fuck you but nothing else. I'm not going to suck your dick or give you any foreplay. I'm going to just get undressed and let you fuck me. That's it. ' I'm like 'Wait a second. Your friend told me that was the amount you were seeking. I just agreed to it. What we have here is a failure to communicate. ' What I was thinking to myself is 'Girl, you just been pimped! ' I tell her this is not going to work so I'll take her back to the pick up point. She gets on her cell phone and calls Brunette. Blonde is upset tell her friend she is on the way back. When I arrived at the original meeting spot Brunette was waiting there. She came over to the driver's side of my car. I rolled down the window. We started talking. She is not happy that I'm not getting with her friend. I explain that we had a miscommunication. Then she pisses me off. Brunette says that I'm ripping Blonde off. I told Brunette that she shouldn't be 'pimping her friend out. '
Next thing I know Brunette fires off a snap right hook that catches me solidly on my left cheek. Damn, the Cmdr is under attack. This is fucked up. I throw I open hand blow through the car door window that catches Brunette dead center of mass in her solar plexis. Brunette is down! I look over at Blonde who is still in the car. She looks like a dear caught in the headlights. I scream 'GET THE FUCK OUT MY CAR! '. Blonde starts to get out. I'm rolling up my driver's side window when Brunette plasters herself against my window like something out of a horror movie. She is screaming, 'I'll fuck you up. I'll fuck your car up. How you going to explain that to your wife? You cheating mother fucker! ' Wow! This situation is going downhill fast. Blonde finally gets out of my car. I reach over and shut the passenger door. I put my car into reverse and start backing up. Brunette hits my car again and screams 'Tell your wife hello for me you old cheating fuck! ' I drop the car into drive and burn rubber out of there.
I let my guard down and got jumped by a couple of garden tools. All this occurred, in a town house complex, in a suburb, in the middle of the day. No harm, no foul. But I think you can see how things could have gone horribly wrong. I made several tactical errors and one big strategic one. I hope others can learn from them.Cmdr,
All this talk about OpSec, and then you go and pull this crazy shit. You didn't really expect to get away without any ball busting from the peanut gallery, did you? Because it seems like you learned your lesson, we'll let you off easy here.
But this reminds me of my current favorite in one respect: She, too, is 18 and lives at home. On our first date, I didn't understand I was to pick her up; I thought we were meeting at the restaurant. I text her to tell her I'm running late and that she should go ahead and get a table. Her response: "Aren't you picking me up?" Fuck.
"OK, where do you live?"
She sends me the address, I plug it into the nav, and lucky for me, she's not too far out of the way. She's in a safe yet rundown neighborhood, and I'm cautious as I pull around the corner in my German luxury car. I really need a more discreet sugarmobile for cases like this. There's a minivan in the driveway, and I'm pretty sure an 18yo isn't driving a Dodge Caravan. Double Fuck, she lives with parents. (Turns out it's just mom and siblings, but still.) So I waited just down the street.
We had one close call where mom was letting the dog in just as I was turning down the street. I don't think she saw me, and I discreetly hightailed it out of there. Told fav that I don't appreciate having to wait for her while mom is home, so now I wait in the parking lot of a local business down the street until I know she's ready.
The only saving grace of the situation is that fav was mortified that mom almost saw me. She's as dedicated to protecting my secret identity as am I, so she's a keeper for now, despite the fact that she still lives at home.
Cmdr,
All this talk about OpSec, and then you go and pull this crazy shit. You didn't really expect to get away without any ball busting from the peanut gallery, did you? Because it seems like you learned your lesson, we'll let you off easy here.Joe,
I read your message and was on the floor laughing. Thanks for starting my morning out with a big laugh! In Naval aviation all carrier landings are graded by a fellow aviator. They have an expression "Stand and take your grade". I would expect nothing less from my peer group here in the forum.
SubCmdr out
Had another insane night with my HMM (Hot Mexican Momi). She arrived high as a kite. Had on a mini dress and her "hooker heels" her expression, not mine. Hit the hotel. She was impressed with my choice. Dinner. Then her favorite downtown night spots. Got to the hotel and she showed her appreciation late into the night and the next morning. Our date rolled into the early afternoon. Ending after a brief shopping trip. I did not get back home until 4 PM. Turned out to be an expensive evening with my CPO way out of line. But damn it was worth it! I am sprung on the kat. Since she is my new ATF, I'll cease my reports on her until something changes so I won't bore the group.
Got a young (23) tall (5'9") one in a holding pattern for today. Not sure if it would just be anti-climatic after last night. She is a rail, with tiny tits but a fat ass. For being so young she can really fuck.
SubCmdr out
Well, it seems the "W" has trashed my ATF HCB for good. It's been a week and I can't get a response back. I suspect being brought into the light of day and being forced to face the reality of what she was doing (fucking a married man for money) has cured her of me anyway. Sad, sad, sad! I was sooo happy when I was with her and would have run to her side if she gave me the slightest indication. OH Well. But now I am seriously horny and have seen my ATF at least twice / week or more for over a year. I need to get back in the game.
I am separating which will make playing easier since I won't have the warden watching my every move but the money is going to be tighter, so I have to be a little more selective and definitely not fall in love with any new ones. I was on SugDadforme and while my HCB was a 10, there were a lot of Nando 1s I encountered as well. I might try SA I hope my ATF doesn't go back to the sugar route. I really want more for her in life and no matter what you call this hobby it is still hooking.
Had another insane night with my HMM (Hot Mexican Momi). She arrived high as a kite. Had on a mini dress and her "hooker heels" her expression, not mine. Hit the hotel. She was impressed with my choice. Dinner. Then her favorite downtown night spots. Got to the hotel and she showed her appreciation late into the night and the next morning. Our date rolled into the early afternoon. Ending after a brief shopping trip. I did not get back home until 4 PM. Turned out to be an expensive evening with my CPO way out of line. But damn it was worth it! I am sprung on the kat. Since she is my new ATF, I'll cease my reports on her until something changes so I won't bore the group.
Got a young (23) tall (5'9") one in a holding pattern for today. Not sure if it would just be anti-climatic after last night. She is a rail, with tiny tits but a fat ass. For being so young she can really fuck.
SubCmdr outSometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.
The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.
HollywoodGuy
09-16-12, 16:26
Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.
The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.I have to limit myself to one O per session. 2 is rare. But at 58. Thats what you got to look forward to. Or skip a day here and there. LOL
HollywoodGuy
09-16-12, 16:39
I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.
I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)
SubCmdr out
Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.
The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.I agree. How do you put a quantitative value on goodwill? That is why I like to keep the sugar amount low so for the special ones like ATF I can splurge and have a big night on the town.
So, far the forum has come up with four Sugar Baby Metrics. Two are qualitative and two are quantitative.
Qualitative.
Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernado Post #779)
ISBE = Ideal Sugar Baby Experience (John G Smith. Post #1983)
Quantitative.
CPO = Cost per Orgasm (SubCmdr – Post. #1464)
TIH = Time in Hole (AOneFred7734 – #Post 1972)
The quality of the sugar baby experience should not be limited to a strict quantitative calculation.
When we returned to the room after our night on the town she jumped my bones. Not really being prepared for that type of reaction, I excused myself and went to the bathroom. I come out of the bathroom to a completely darkened room. She was standing in front of the full length window and basking in the warm glow of the city lights. I approached her, kissed her neck and she said 'I just love this view'. Her panties hit the floor, she was already wet and the evening just got better from there.
Intangibles indeed.
SubCmdr out
FeelGoodMd
09-16-12, 21:10
Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. Feelgood
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$." I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.Dr,
It's really only important that you feel good about how you handled it. IMHO it was a generous gift. She was worth no more than half of what you gave her. Don't let the wool get pulled over your eyes. You were dealing with a garden tool that has internet access. And your sugar amount should reflect that fact. From this point on, make a complete assessment of who you are dealing with. Let a SB with GPS walk! Figure out where the SB is on the Nando scale before you meet up. Just because a garden tool has a gold plated handle does not mean you aren't going to use it dig in the dirt like all of your other garden tools. I gave Mandy a saying that I use and she passed on: "Don't expect sugar baby treatment if you roll up on me like a garden tool." I get turned down all the time because of my low sugar offers. But I've also had them accepted and hit the jackpot (like with HMM).
As for the early exit. I would have told her that until I'm completely satisfied there is no sugar. What is she going to do? She doesn't know a thing about you. She is pressed for time. With you holding out the clock continues to tick. What is her friend going to do? Goto the front desk and say "Excuse me, my friend went to see the guy in room X and she has not come out yet." She treated you like a punk man. She only deserves to be treated like a lady if she is acting like one. She doesn't leave the room if your dick is still hard!
I may not always make the best decisions. But I can tell you one thing, I never operate out of fear. You are the bank. They need the loan. Make them put the work in. Next time tell her to drop her panties and bend over. Work that nasty thing until you bust up in it! I roll strictly with the hard working Nando1's. If you like the trailer trash, hood rats and 'round the way girls like me, you better learn how to handle them or you're going to wake up in a ditch.
SubCmdr out
HollywoodGuy
09-17-12, 03:16
Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. FeelgoodI go for the shy but out control slutty girls. I have a lot a misses. But one out of 5 is a repeater. I only pay $ and do get a lot of turndows. But I also get 2 new girls a week that have agreed to enough terms for a first date. In a year thats a 100 girls. Thats like saying you got 20 regulars if you want them. So one bad experience just put one step closer to a good one. And of course the good ones get better. Somtimes. LOL
EasyGoingJ
09-17-12, 09:59
I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.
EuroInCincy
09-17-12, 12:39
A cute young one willing to try everything and all she wants, is some drinks, dinner a stay in a hotel, and won't blink if anybody looks and you introduce her as "my wife' or "my mistress approved by my wife" to shut the looks up.
Who thinks you have dome more than she deserves by finding another female for a night, so she canner her first female-female play.
They are there, just need to go through a whole fleet of nando 1, 2 etc.
RiverCity2011
09-17-12, 13:46
Ha, I see where she writes that she "loves Spankings" in her profile. Nice!
I would love to know anything about Anne in Glen Allen,
Profile Number. 860835 (Sugar Baby. F)
Age 41 from Glen Allen, United States.
Username:
Anne.
City / State:
Glen Allen, Virginia.
Country:
United States.
Age:
41 years old.
Height:
1. 63 meters (5' 4")
Body Type:
Slim.
I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.
I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
Scott
Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot.Blonde is on SA. Profile 1154604 Name: Mary Location: Columbia, MD. I cannot find Brunette's profile.
I think it is good policy to out bad babies. The only problem with profile #'s is that they can cancel them and and resurface.
SubCmdr out
With the ATF serving an indefinite period in the penalty box for playing me like a chump lately, I decided to fire up the SA account and start fishing again. I still have my nice 18yo HYB in my back pocket, but I crave variety. I've therefore set up a series of interviews this week to replenish my little black book, and, with some luck, find my next favorite.
Interview #1 was last evening after work. At 43, she's the oldest Pot I've met. She sounded nice on the phone, and from what I could glean from our conversation, she is divorced, has kids, and a stable career. She only had one pic on SA, but it was nice. Definitely MILF material. We met at the bar of a casual chain restaurant for an introductory drink.
This woman is hot. Keep in mind, gents, that I'm mid 30s, so 43 theoretically is at the edge of my comfort zone. But she's slim, toned, and has great features. Needless to say, the interview started well.
We talked for about an hour. She does seem to have her shit together. She says she normally trolls the legit dating sites but that she isn't looking for a relationship now, just fun. We never discussed specific sugar, although she dropped lots of hints that she expected to be well compensated for her time. At this point, I had to decide whether I should take a risk, and if so, for how much, or just cut her loose after the M&G.
I e-mailed a trusted brother but unfortunately did not hear back in time. In any event, I decided to take the plunge. We went to a hotel down the street, got another drink at the hotel bar, and headed upstairs. This is the "first" for me: the first time I've gone to the FC on a first interview.
After that, it was ON. She quickly shed her clothes and told me to take off my pants. Excellent; I like a woman who takes charge. She showed me a good time, and after I returned the favor, I knew she was enjoying herself by the large wet spot on the bed. Multiple positions ensued, she enjoyed herself a couple more times, and I had a big finish.
I decided to slip her sugar at the high end of my scale, because I would like to see her again. Turns out, I outbid myself (I know, I know) because she called almost immediately after we were headed our separate ways to tell me she had a great time and looks forward to our next meeting, which she offered to host at her place.
All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.
Interview #2 is set for this evening with a HYCB; Interview #3 is Friday with a 27yo girl-next-door type. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
EasyGoingJ
09-18-12, 11:55
Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
ScottGood idea Scott,
Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.
We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.
J
Exacta Picker
09-18-12, 12:16
Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.
Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.Welcome back, EP. Believe it or not, this is the first thing I read every day. It's always full of info, and even in slow times, there's a laugh or two to be had.
SA = seeking arrangement. Com (remove spaces)
There are other sites, of course, and they tend to be regional at times. But SA I think is the largest.
All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.Joe,
My man! You caught the 3rd wire!
Your approach: Solid; Working the cougar angle eh? I like it!
Her appearance: 'This woman is hot'
Assessment of Nando class: Dead on.
Move to the FC on the first date: Impressive, plus bonus points for no discussion of sugar.
Sexual performance: 'After that, it was ON'
Sugar Amount: So you may have outbid yourself. You wanted to see her again. The sexual performance was solid. And you got an invitation to return with her hosting. That places her at ease, improves the quality of the experience, and is going to lower your CPO. So, put that extra sugar that you could have saved into intangibles / goodwill and roll with it.
You are too hard on yourself: A-
SubCmdr out
Good idea Scott,
Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.
We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.
JEasy,
When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood - out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.
I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.
As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.
Scott
The first interview with a HYCB was a no-go yesterday, as she failed to show. I confirmed the day and time, checked that she was on her way, and she still stood me up. Called me two hours after our meeting time with the lame "I lost track of time and didn't answer your calls because I didn't have my phone near me" excuse."But you can drive an hour to come see me still tonight."
Bullshit. You lost your chance, sweetie. I have zero tolerance for girls who waste my time. If there's one thing I've learned in my time in the sugar bowl, it's that there are dozens of other eligible ladies willing to take the place of the one who just doesn't get it.
EuroInCincy
09-20-12, 16:52
Ok so I have had this good 18 yr old (SB-perfect) now for close to 9 monhts, very eager and very accommodating. But she went of to college 3 hrs away, so the visits became quite infrequent.
I had let my SA membership expire, yes I got the occasional winks, emails but after looking to the profiles I kept saying nah not worth it. Until until about a week ago. I got an email and I though ok nice. But not worth it. Then 2 days a later another email from the same one, locally, cute, right age, right words in her profile. So I decided to renew, and started the pursuit. All went very smooth, but she kept insisting on only email. Should have been red flag 1. Which 21 yr old does NOT want to text. Then after a bit I was able to get her to yahoo messenger for a bit more interactive conversations, still she had every point, quality I needed. I asked for a few more pics and I got 2 more. So we set up a coffee date. I go to the location, she is not there after 15 minutes, and I get a text. Ok must be her, no. It was SB-perfect texting me "oh your new SB won't be showing up since she does not like a guy who cheats "
WOW so SB-perfect had gotten too attached.
Hi Everyone,
It's been a while since I've posted, I'm happily on month 10 with my one and only SB. However, I had introduced a friend to this world. He tried both SD4Me and SA. He fell victim to the 'send me something up front' scam. I had warned him against sending money before meeting, but he let little head do his thinking. This is the first one he had even corresponded with! I'm passing on the profile IDs involved so that none of you fall victim.
SA. Profile = 1185001.
SD4Me. Profile = 2393777.
Good luck and I hope you're all doing well!
Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF. There is a lot of game playing going on and I have to admit that I monitored my ATF last year because I didn't want her double dipping. So the bottom line is to be up front with them as to your desires and intentions. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them. Very early on with my ATF OAO (one and only) I still saw a few hookers and worked SDFM, but I realized that she was so perfect for me that 1) I needed all the play$$$ to see only her and 2) it wasn't worth losing what I had for an extra strange roll in the hay. It's too bad that we can't look at our wives that way. Maybe Brandy has the right idea.
I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.
EasyGoingJ
09-21-12, 08:27
Easy,
When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood. Out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.
I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.
As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.
ScottWow Scott,
That is quite a coincidence, but she was in Charlottesville then away for awhile, I think SC and NC and popped up back here a few weeks ago I think, now in Richmond so if the numbers match that is the one. I will always list profile numbers in the future thanks to your suggestion.
If you are in Asheville I envy you I have seen some hot profiles there over the years, not too even start on Chicago, you lucky guy.
BTW : I really enjoyed your story about the goth / punk? Type from a few months ago. That was also I great example of why I always consider when meeting a HYB that this may well be a one night stand. I have had some steady arrangements last as long as two years, but there have also been the girls I have seen from 1 to 5 times and then gone, moved, decided lifestyle not right for her, got a steady bf, just gone, etc. This is a flighty bunch esp. In the early twenties age range I prefer, although I am moving that up to the more settled 30 somethings. I even saw one baby for about 5 years on and off based on whether her current bf was doing her right, her therapist's input, finding religion or some other guilt. I learned to just lie back and wait for her to come back around.
So a tip to my brothers, if you've got that hot baby in the FC make the most of the time, do it all, try it all, depending of course on her willing and eager participation. While you will probably see her again, and I think that finding the ideal regular baby is our goal, the fact is in this world, stuff happens, and you may not. I have learned that this is just how it is and have adjusted my mindset accordingly, just as much or more fun and a whole lot less angst and regret when it ends.
EuroInCincy
09-21-12, 09:22
Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF.
. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them.
I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.Yes the point I was trying to make. Some ATF's get too attached. Funny how she accepted that there was a wive and 'entrapped' me by enticing me with a 'perfect' SB. I have to be lucky she did this, . Because she got too attached. Which would mean she would have interfered with the home front in the long run. Lucky for me the home front knows about my escapades. But it would have been still a hassle.
And as many discussion have been about this, always make sure you can get some data to use in case this happens to make her move on.
Going on the new hunt "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." engines at warp 3, long range scanner turned on, drop out of cloaked mode start broadcast on all frequencies.
It seems as though just about everybody's had some trials lately. Is it something in the water? The change in seasons? Or simply the fact that, as we increase reporting our activities, the bad experiences are bound to come out of the woodwork? Just rhetorical questions, I suppose.
I, for one, have had my own challenges this week. I'd set three M&Gs this week in the hope of replenishing my little black book. The first went extremely well, culminating in my first ever first-date FC visit. The report is earlier in this thread.
The other two didn't go so well. In fact, they didn't go at all. I reported on Wednesday that my date for Tuesday never showed. Today's scheduled M&G was cancelled when the girl was called in to work a double shift to cover for a sick coworker. We've been trying to find an agreeable time for two weeks now, so I'm pessimistic we'll ever meet. In fact, I have another browser window open to SA at this very moment as I look for new prospects.
For all my troubles this week, though, I still had an unbelievable night with my 18yo HYB who is quickly approaching ATF status. We haven't been together long enough for her to earn that title yet, but there's very little (if anything) about her that I don't like.
Last night was an overnight, and HYB has been begging me for a while to take her a strip club. Because she's under 21, our choices were severely limited, but the one that allows 18-year-olds was perfect for a first timer, anyway. It's relatively no pressure, not rowdy (even though located in a college town), and pretty inexpensive. I've been a number of times when I was a club newbie, but I haven't been to this particular club in more than a year.
We had a great time. She saw her first naked women, which I think was pretty eye-opening for her, as she identifies as bi-curious, even though she's never more than kissed another girl. And it turned out to be a nice night for talent, as most were young, natural coed beauties. She also got her first lap dance, and the dancer was totally cool, allowing HYB to touch at will. I was there too, of course, and it was hot to watch. At one point, the dancer buried her head in HYB's lap, stuck her ass in my face, and grabbed HYB's tits in her hands. Afterward, HYB told me the dancer was tonguing her through her shorts. Very nice.
Needless to say, the visit paid dividends back at the hotel. I am utterly exhausted today, as there was very little sleeping to speak of. When we woke up and got ready to leave, I counted six condom wrappers around the room.
To top it all off, HYB said to me at one point during the evening: "I want to watch you have sex with another girl."
I am hooked on this girl (and hoping that she has hot 18yo friends willing to play with us), so much so that I question whether I need backup babies at all. But at the end of the day, it can never hurt to have possibilities, no?
Good luck this weekend, gents.
Regards,
Joe
John G Smith
09-22-12, 06:06
My time has been pretty limited so I haven't had a chance to give a summery of my 6/6 ISBE girl. But the short version is that when we met a couple of weeks ago, the initial date went pretty well. We had a good conversation and everything but I didn't get any lovin'. While initially she said we could get together at her place when I got there she back tracked and said her roommates would be a problem. Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there, but otherwise we got along very well so it was still a nice evening. She trusted me to drop her off at her parents house, so I didn't get the vibe that she was trying to push me away.
However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then). I didn't contact her and I wanted to see how long it would be before she sent me a message. It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. So I figured she found someone with a bigger wallet. I eventually asked what was up and she apologized and said she was trying to figure out her living situation. She basically got booted from her roommates apartment, dropped out of school, and moved back in with her parents. Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.
Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.
So she basically dropped from a 6/6 to a about a 3. 5/6. I figured I'd get some advice / opinions from my brothers here. Should I go through the trouble of getting a STD test and dealing with the other setbacks? She's hot and our personalities do click fairly well. Also she claims she's pretty freaky in the sack. But I'm just wondering if she's more trouble than it's worth. I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities? Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.
While I've been pondering on her, I've also been looking at some other pot SBs. I might meetup with a hot college Asian SB next weekend who was happy with my sugar offer and also might make her place available. Also our txt conversations have gone well. She lives about the same distance as the other SB, but I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?
EuroInCincy
09-22-12, 08:52
she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. S.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?The test sounds like some excuse to 'be your sb, but not commit' A civilization which is ruled by the 'rules of germs' does not really interface well with the explorers who adhere to the rules of "sugar and pleasure and relaxation"
The galaxy is large so grab the next 6/6 planet, there are plenty out there, and if not today, then next week. I have seen man new planets pop up on my scanners over the years. Some led to short cultural exchanges, she led to long term.
Safe voyage
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?Why put all your eggs in one basket? Even if your 6/6, who is now a 3. 5/6, ends up being a solid baby, why not have backups on the line?
Listen, everyone here (babies included) should realize this is NSA. I admit it took me a while to fully realize what NSA really means, and I've had to educate a girl or two as well. But no strings attached means . . . no strings attached. You can cut and run at any time, as can they. That's why, despite the fact I have a golden HYB right now, I'm still out doing interviews to find subs when needed.
HollywoodGuy
09-22-12, 11:52
Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test.
However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then).
However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.
Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.
But I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?Time to move on dude. Best thing is to have a few in the pipeline knowing that these girls come and go, raise the price over time, etc. If you are not getting what you want from a girl there is always one to take her place for less
GeorgeGray3207
09-23-12, 08:59
Hello everyone, I dabble in this field myself occasionally and was hoping for just a little info. I have been a member of SD4ME for awhile, although it has been lapsed quite a while. I'm thinking of rejoining but have heard you speak of SA as well. Can someone give their preferences, why are they different, what makes one better than another? Like I said, just trying to decide which to join again. Thanks.
MThen later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there,I think it is time to pass this SB. As you mentioned, if she is open for uncovered activities after STD test (she would also need to provide you STD test as well in such case) , definitely go for it. It is way too much trouble from what you described.
Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.
Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.Thanks, Hernando. I broached the subject again yesterday during a text conversation, and she said she'll do "whatever makes [me] happy." All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.
It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.
Must be the fall weather. Keep at it; it will happen eventually.
Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered.Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.
It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. [snipped] Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.
I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities?I'll point out that using a cover isn't only for protection from STDs. Not that you don't know that, of course, but if she's a germophobe, she might also be paranoid about pregnancy.
Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.This is the one that raises the most red flags for me. If she's hinting now, and you are seeing the potential, that expenses might increase, you have to decide whether or not it's worth it. Good luck with that. LOL.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?
/z
Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.Your travails remind me of when I was chasing strippers regularly. Give out my number a hundred times to girls who say they're interested in something more, and I'd be lucky if half of them *ever* called me back at all. Of those, most would just want me to come into the club to spend more money, or just drive to their house and *give* them money. Fewer than five percent ever ended up on a "date", and of those only a few were worth repeating more than a few times.
Which, of course, is the reason I'm here. The one gem that keeps *me* calling back.
/z
HollywoodGuy
09-23-12, 17:26
Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.I try to meet at least one new girl a week. And yes I do appreciate my ATF a lot more lately. She is a totally straight church going nurse. I am the only guy she has sex with. Lucky me. And this week she is staying over for 2 consecutive nights. Total damage this week should be $$$ tops for 48 hours of sexy fun. Maybe its easier in L. A. There are so many girls. Got an interview at my house in about an hour. 25. 5.9. 130
All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.Joe,
My suggestion is that you take you bi baby into the lifestyle world. As a couple, looking for a third bi woman to join you. Her youth will have you two in heavy demand. You will be able to pick and choose your options. But you have to stay in the younger group to find other bi girls in her age range. Or you could set up a new profile where you are a couple looking for a bi baby to play with you. The only negative to that one is your CPO automatically doubles.
SubCmdr out
HollywoodGuy
09-24-12, 00:18
Good Nite. Picked this one up from sd4me. 26. 5.9. 130. Met her at the train station and drove her to my place. New girl. Very passionate. And worth repeating. The shy but horny type. She is a young MILF, as about half of them are. Really cute and excellent oral skills. Good lover. And laughed at my jokes. Total damage $. She would need some real fixing up to be at the allowance level. But for an occasional no problem.
HollywoodGuy
09-24-12, 00:27
This is my current #1. Have her on a per date arrangement. Found her on sd4me. The only place I go. But I see her once a week for 24 to 48 hours at a stretch. Averaging about $$$ total per week for everything.
Folks,
Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.
Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.
What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).
After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)
Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?
Thanks in advance
John G Smith
09-24-12, 04:30
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.So I had a long talk with my SB today and that's basically what I'm going to be doing. I was telling her my grievances and was in the process of ending things. But she was very apologetic and seemed to have a sincere desire to keep things going. I told her I would only continue things if I got the test we would go bareback. She agreed. Also she offered to have some "fun" video chats to make up for her living situation changing. And I had her assure me that she was content with the current allowance I was giving her.
So I'm going to get the test (I better pass, LOL) and see if she's the real deal. She's extremely hot, supposedly freaky in bed, has a great personality and we get along great. Now that there's a better incentive for me to get tested and she is loosely aware of my CPO budget, it's worth it to me to give her another shot. She might be able to get back up to 5/6 on my ISBE scale. We'll see.
Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.I'm well aware of this. STD tests are basically just "historical" documents. It tells you what someone was up to 6-12 months ago. That said, it's her body and if a STD test will give her peace of mind, I'll respect her wishes. I'll either take the test or find another girl who doesn't require it. But I'm not going to pressure or try to convince a girl why a STD test is pretty much useless in these situations. We all have our little quirks that gives us comfort to take on the risks of being in the Sugar Bowl.
In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.Our arrangement though wasn't / isn't completely NSA. Part of our thing is talking / txting daily. She also stated multiple times that she wants a long-term SD relationship, so it's not exactly no strings attached and that's why except for that 4-5 day stretch she has contacted me daily since it's in her best interest. I've had purely NSA SBs where I only talk with them to setup a meet and that's all. With those kind of SBs I would have no problem if they just disappeared or did whatever. However with "6/6 SB" (yeah, I might as well still use it as her nickname) , we have our boundaries but she's basically a full-time SB not just on the hookups. So an abrupt week absence on either our part will not go unnoticed.
I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?Since we're going to be barebacking she said (without me asking) she's only going to be seeing me (yeah right, LOL). But I like that she's going to make an effort to at least give the allusion that I'm the only one she's seeing. That's good enough for me.
As mentioned before, she's looking for something consistent even if the allowance is relatively modest. She's tired of guys offering her lots of money for basically one night stands and then never seeing them again. Plus it seems she truly enjoys the SD / SB experience of talking with her daddy regularly (she has daddy issues).
Now I got to figure out what I'm going to do with the hot Asian college SB I had planned to meet next weekend. Unfortunately I don't have the budget nor time for both. Both girls require driving a 4 hour round trip, where I'm basically gone for a whole day. I only get that much free "off the grid" time 2-3 times a month. It's a "either or" situation since both have almost identical allowances and occupy the same slots on my schedule. I guess I need to figure out a smooth way to put the Asian SB on the backburner. It's going to be tough since she was ready to go.
John G Smith
09-24-12, 04:57
As mentioned in my previous message, my SB suggested we do some explicit video chats. Definitely sounds fun but I figured I would get your guys feedback on this as well since I'm a bit cautious with these type of things.
I know quite a few guys on these forums take personal pics even vids of their escapades. I've always been a bit skittish doing things like this but I'm not some politician or celebrity, so I highly doubt video chat starring me would get much traction at all. That said, there's always the issue of blackmail if she recorded the video chat. But I could record her as well and since I know her personal information already, it would be mutually assured destruction.
While video chat is obviously more graphic, plenty of guys here have done sexting with their SBs, which carries similar risks. But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar. It would definitely help me get more bang for the allowance I'm giving if I can tell her to pleasure herself on cam between visits.
Chatting w / more pot SBs and I think I can answer my own question: Most of the pot SBs I chatted with are okay w/"allowance per session" model after I said,"we don't know each other yet, so would like to keep "per session" model initially". .
Got some very good feedback from some brothers here about the CPO. (Thank you!) Definitely need to stick w / the budget and keep the thinking out from the little head. Was able to negotiate down some of the pot SBs down as well. Trying to setup M&G w / several pot SBs and see whether we can go anywhere. Wish me luck. .
Folks,
Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.
Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.
What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).
After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)
Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?
Thanks in advance
But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar.John,
To me, it sounds like a great idea, until it doesn't! Whenever we start out on a new relationship with a Shiny New Baby, everything is sweetness and light! Naked pics of me in the mirror of my bathroom at home? Sure! Skype with me in my office with the door closed? Ok! Naked video chats in the den at home while the wife is out of town? You bet! Hot with two "t's", right?
Now imagine those same things, saved on a scorned or dumped or just vanished baby's hard drive, three months after the breakup, when she hasn't been able to set anything else up, and the rent is past due, and she's acquired a little bit of a coke habit as well. If she doesn't already have an idea who you really are, she's going to start looking, and what if she finds you? All it takes is one polite waitress bringing back your credit card receipt and thanking you by name, and now you're totally vulnerable.
I"m not sure I could sleep well, if at all, knowing that shit was out there on me! I sent a sext with pic to a baby in my early days, and immediately regretted it, since the arrangement didn't go anywhere, but now there was this photo of me, in our master bathroom, that even if she were half blind my SO could identify.
As fun as it sounds, I wouldn't do it, or at least wouldn't do it mutually. If she wants to send you a video clip of her petting the kitty, by all means encourage it. You have way more to lose than she does, and there is no such thing as mutually-assured destruction in the Bowl. Daddies always lose bigger!
Just my opinion, but I think a reasonable one nonetheless. Brothers?
Scott.
PS - In other news, yes, I have had a run of really bad luck lately. 2 psychos, several no shows, several no thanks, one who I put a lot of work into and then who just vanished, and the rest just didn't do it for me, even after a few dates and some making out. I guess I'm getting pickier in my old age, though shouldn't it be the other way around? Who knows?
In a real shitty turn of events, my ATF, the one who broke my heart, is back on SA, and so far has read but not replied to my three messages, so I think I'll send about 15 to 20 more, and if still no answer from her, I'll begin to get the hint! Ah well, this is the way things go in this strange but wonderful world.
My life has not been entirely baby-free, however. Naughty Brit and I have had several get-togethers, I've had a couple one and dones, and have had very good luck on the road, so all in all, I can't complain. If I could just manage to get my local situation sorted out, I'd be a happy fellow indeed.
I have several m&gs set up for this week, including what I hope will be a delightful picnic on the lakefront tomorrow, so I remain optimistic, despite my recent performance, or lack thereof.
Lastly, the magnificent Polo is making sounds as if our riding lessons are finally able to resume. Kids are well back in school, husband is back at work, family stuff is underway and under control, and her little pony is apparently missing Scottie and me something fierce. Hooray for me! I wondered if we might incorporate all our tricks into one fantastic lesson - tooth paste, scarves and spanking, and was met with an enthusiastic yes. She even hinted that she might have a few more ideas, but what those could be I can't, at this point, fathom. I may have to double up on my meds, Good Lord! I'll be sure to file a report. I enquired after the current freckle count, and apparently I will just have to tally then myself! Giddy up, I say!
On a final note, I'm glad to see so many new, and active, brothers contributing to what must surely be the best thread on the entire site. Some guys have tried to get something similar going up in my neck of the woods, but they are concentrating solely on CL and BP, and so are only scoring hookers pretending to be babies, if that.
Keep up the good work, my friends, and Nando, sorry to hear how things stand for you at the moment, but glad to see you posting again. There aren't that many of us old members still reporting to the clubhouse it seems, but maybe that's the way of things. Who knows?
I will do my best to accumulate valuable and contributory information and experiences in the coming months.
Peace,
S
It's good to see so many newbies and great reports. I love this thread, we actually tend to help each other out. My activities have been all over the place. Currently working on one Coed-Cutie. 21 hot body be cups and cute bottom. M&G went great, a 2 hour breakfast at a nice hideaway spot. Her monthly damage amount is very reasonable, especially if I can actually see her once a month. We have date #2 setup this week. Dinner / Movie and prob a little making out to keep my night reasonable. .
I have another 30yr old SB who is definitely the young MILF type. Nice rack and cute body. I'll be seeing her 2 to 4 days a month. I've already had the TiggaBounce with her from the first M&G. Great attitude and wonderful personality. I'll be keeping her around for a while. Damage is also minimum there.
I met one on SA and one on sddie.
HollywoodGuy
09-25-12, 01:10
Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.
"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."
Or.
"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."
Please reword for your own use. And have fun
HollywoodGuy
09-25-12, 01:11
Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.
"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."
Or.
"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."
Please reword for your own use. And have funGood spelling doesn't hurt either.
I am getting quite a lot of responds from GPS (after getting on SA for 2 days).
Here are some of my encounters on pot SBs (GPS) :
- 23 yrs hot blonde: responds w/$$$$$-$$$$$$$ per visit. I responded w / my budget. She was willing to low it down due to "tough time", but still not within my budget, and she can't host (more $$ on me). Responded to reiterate my budget. She also told me that no need to dinner or outing. (sounds like an escort to me)
- 37 yrs blonde: long responds explaining to me that the norm is $$$$$k to $$$$$$$k per month. Speechless.
- 24 yrs hot blonde: responds starting w/ (previous arrangement was $k per visit) and asking what I have in mind. I actually just ignored her.
- 28 yrs asian: exchanged some text, and told me,"I can tell you now I'm not cheap hon when it comes to arrangement".
- 22 yrs hot blonde: responds w/$$k-$$$k a month. I am getting tired to respond.
- 38 yrs hot MILF: responds w/$.2k to $.5k a month. I responded w/"allowance per date" type, and reiterated my budget.
Many GPS. Need to keep my little head out of all of those discussion.
HollywoodGuy
09-25-12, 18:28
Met this one on SD4me. And there are a lot of non pros on those sites. But not this one. Total pro. But her spinner body. 5.6. 103 lbs got my attention and kept my attention for the full hour. The pros (no pun intended). Hollywood area. Drove to my house. Big juicy pierced clit. Total spinner body. Came fast from the DATY. The cons. Loosened up a bit after she came. No DFK. And nothing uncovered. Kind of a toothy smile. But a nice girl. May repeat one day. Not sure. Total damage $. Not sb materiel
My brothers,
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.
Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.
But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified - fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.
I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.
Peace,
Scott
EuroInCincy
09-25-12, 23:52
My brothers,
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.
ScottScotty, I agree, a Course modification is needed, where is Subcmdr's sonar to direct us into the right lane?
I am staying on the old course, of not bagging pro's, and if I would do so, it has no space in this log here.
We all know about GPS syndrome and please no need to come up with mountains of data you encountered. Commander running silent again?
I am on full warp again, encountering many planets, which do take time to explore, but most are not the right M class planets.
EuroInCincy
09-25-12, 23:57
Scanning over the personal logs of the last star dates I see a few members of the crew who seem to go for quantity. It seems they are very interested in making notches. That is probably a function of age, younger than me, but just reporting notches here, even though it is good for that crew members ego, does not really help with the journey we make to find the perfect sb, the one who is fairly long term.
Just keep the 'notch post' for your local boards just as we sometimes find great sb on craigslist or the back page, these quick conquests should be on the mentioned on the local boards.
Lets try not to clutter the logs here.
Give me a bit more engine power Scotty.
F Scott,
"I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.
SubCmdr out.
My brothers,
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.
Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.
But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.
I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.
Peace,
Scott
Scotty and other "master" bros,
Sorry about my post. Will tune down my report and try to report useful info instead of logbook type. Probably will make another mistake, and please feel free to correct me and ask me to shut up.
Trainee Dog
My brothers,
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.
Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.
But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.
I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.
Peace,
Scott
Bros,
Please bear w / me if this does not fit this thread. I am still a newbie on this.
Had my first M&G, and things are going into a right direction. Need some comment / advice from bros here w. Are. T this SB. Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. (I usually go w / all covered, but would like BBBJ if possible. Just me being chicken.) She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?
Would like to hear some comment from experts here.
HollywoodGuy
09-26-12, 14:57
My brothers,
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.
Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.
But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.
I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.
Peace,
ScottMy last post was with a girl that represented herself a sb. But turned out to be a pro. Being she was 21 I thought I might have a chance. As far as my philosophy on mining for gold. Like my old boss used to say. If you have a lot of quantity there is going to be some quality in there. So out of the last 80+ girls I have interviewed in the prior 12 months there were a few 100% true non-pros. Total sb materiel. And those are the ones I spend the big money on.
But my time is limited and so after maybe 1 to 5 emails I go to a meet. For me this is more cost effective overall. I am not into a big pre-screening process. Also my experience is you can never know if you have chemistry or a non pro with out a face to face meet so to speak. And even if it isn't sb materiel its still a roll in the hay. Also posting the fake non pros helps keep someone else away from them. If a true sb is what they are looking for. I have been the "first" a few times. And always strive for that. So really there is no disagreement here.
And I have posted some tricks of the trade in my posts so far and will continue to do so. All feedback is welcome. Love this place.
HollywoodGuy
09-26-12, 17:32
Bros,
Please bear w / me if this does not fit this thread. I am still a newbie on this.
Had my first M&G, and things are going into a right direction. Need some comment / advice from bros here w. Are. T this SB. Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. (I usually go w / all covered, but would like BBBJ if possible. Just me being chicken.) She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?
Would like to hear some comment from experts here.Don't talk about sex before a m&g. We are all adults. And its going to happen anyway if its meant to be. I like to focus on something a little softer to start. A shared interest of some sort. Like kissing.
My friends,
Just a quick note to alert you that Polo and I resume our lessons a week from today. She has reserved a room at our favorite stables, sent me some very compromising pictures were she ever to seek public office, and has briefly outlined the lesson plan: a quick review of all we learned last season, plus, as promised, a few new tricks which she apparently feels I am ready for, skill-wise. She is willing to abide by my one request - no spanking of me - and insists that I will be more than pleased. She has also demanded that I block out the hours between 11 and 3, which is longer than we normally ride, so I will need to start doing my calisthenics immediately if I am to survive.
Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade? Or not reciprocate at all, at least right away? I know I am overthinking this, but I have to admit to being genuinely touched, especially since my contribution to her "mad money" is laughable, all things considered.
What does a Boy Toy do in this kind of situation?
We have one week to construct a strategy.
All ears,
Scott
Bros,
Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?Dog,
In my opinion you jumped out too far and too fast, but more to the point, her reply, honestly, would give me pause to the point of severing negotiations. Whether she is in the Adult Industry or not, the fact that she apparently was not offended by your request, and did not tell you to go blow your own sorry self, BB or not, makes me think that she is probably pro, or at least semi-pro. You should decide whether you want to go forward or not, (sometimes an itch just needs to be scratched) but if it were me, I would not think it's going to lead to a warm and fuzzy ATF-type experience. A true amateur SB would have dropped you like a used condom after your requests.
Hang in there, polish your game, never give up, and read the forum. The amount of wisdom here is staggering.
Scott
At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.At the risk eliciting "eff off, newb" comments, I'm going to agree with the sentiment, but mostly disagree that the forum has turned into a "notching" one. Sure, there is an element of bragging to virtually all of the posts I've seen (and I'm not excluding my own in that opinion) , but none that I've seen lately that seem to be only bragging.
The comment about seeing someone that one knows is a non-pro is pertinent, but relating a story about someone representing themselves as such and then discovering the truth is also completely appropriate, in my opinion.
"I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.While I also agree with that sentiment, I don't think he was calling for any kind of censorship, except for the voluntary, self-imposed variety. He was just stating his preferences for what he wanted to see on this particular section of the site.
And I have posted some tricks of the trade in my posts so far and will continue to do so. All feedback is welcome. Love this place.HG, I've been watching some of the LA non-pro threads on which you post for a couple of months, and while the focus there, in my opinion, is somewhat different from the one here, I for one don't view some of those experiences as out of line here. Obviously, my opinion is coloured by my own experience, but even though I understand the term "sugar baby" to indicate a longer term relationship than some of the posters on those threads do, I recognize that others might not see eye to eye with me on that score, and there's nothing wrong with that. If one craves variety, I don't see any problem with calling that person a "sugar daddy" even if the longest he's ever seen someone is a month. LOL. As well, is a one-time encounter an example of a sugar baby? Maybe not after the fact, but if one is pursuing a longer term thing, an examination of the shorter ones can be instructive.
I'm not sure where on the longevity spectrum my three year relationship falls, but I suspect it's one of the longer ones, at least as experienced by those I've seen posting here, but the reality is that it will end at some point, for any of a gajillion reasons pertaining to either of us, and at that point, I'm likely to be looking for another SB. Pretty much all examples of attempts at finding new SBs, successes and failures, interest me.
Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade?
Gifts can be touchy. Personally, I would wait and see what she gives you. If she seems put out that you didn't bring anything, which she might, given that she told you she was bringing something, then your reason (not excuse) is that you've been wracking your brain for something appropriate, but couldn't think of anything, and that you'd hoped for inspiration during your meet-up.
/z
Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade?Gifts can be touchy. Personally, I would wait and see what she gives you. If she seems put out that you didn't bring anything, which she might, given that she told you she was bringing something, then your reason (not excuse) is that you've been wracking your brain for something appropriate, but couldn't think of anything, and that you'd hoped for inspiration during your meet-up.
/z
Thank you Scotty.
Tried to be efficient to get going. The little dog is in hurry especially from the escort world. Will get him cool down. Thanks again!
Dog,
In my opinion you jumped out too far and too fast, but more to the point, her reply, honestly, would give me pause to the point of severing negotiations. Whether she is in the Adult Industry or not, the fact that she apparently was not offended by your request, and did not tell you to go blow your own Sorry self, BB or not, makes me think that she is probably pro, or at least semi-pro. You should decide whether you want to go forward or not, (sometimes an itch just needs to be scratched) but if it were me, I would not think it's going to lead to a warm and fuzzy ATF-type experience. A true amateur SB would have dropped you like a used condom after your requests.
Hang in there, Polish your game, never give up, and read the forum. The amount of wisdom here is staggering.
Scott
At the risk eliciting "eff off, newb" commentsZ,
We were all newbies once, and I would argue that we all can continue to learn. Your comment about everyone bragging, to a degree, is well taken. What is my post about Polo except unabashed crowing? No one cannot benefit from a re-focusing, reality check from time to time.
As for your 3 year ride with your ATF SB, it absolutely ranks up there at the top of the list. Congrats to you, my brother! I sincerely hope you can keep it going, but know that if it ends, we are here to help you get your shit back together.
Keep up the good work,
Scott
Don't talk about sex before a m&g. We are all adults. And its going to happen anyway if its meant to be. I like to focus on something a little softer to start. A shared interest of some sort. Like kissing.HG,
That's great advice but how do you execute it in daily operations? I get asked all of the time,"What do I have to do for the $?" I tell them they don't have to do anything. But, I'm looking for adult companionship. They always want to pin me down on the specifics. They initiate the sexual conversation. And then after we get into it, I get the"Well I need X # of $ in order to do that."
Always looking to improve my tactics.
SubCmdr out
HollywoodGuy
09-26-12, 22:55
HG,
That's great advice but how do you execute it in daily operations? I get asked all of the time,"What do I have to do for the $?" I tell them they don't have to do anything. But, I'm looking for adult companionship. They always want to pin me down on the specifics. They initiate the sexual conversation. And then after we get into it, I get the"Well I need X # of $ in order to do that."
Always looking to improve my tactics.
SubCmdr outI always tell the girls I will be more than happy with a HJ on the first date. How many hot girls can go on a date and get all worked up only to give the guy a HJ in the end? Not many. So really what ends up happening is they beg to give you some oral or just go all the way. About 75% of the time I get it all on the first date. And if it takes a second date. I don't care. I have had some awesome sex that didn't involve intercourse. And I think there is sometimes too much pressure for everyone on a first date to perform. Take away the pressure. You know like in sales. And what happens. Everyone relaxes and has a good time. The girls see this as respectful and usually end up showing their gratitude. Also. They see this as very mature. And thats what they all want. Not the younger guy I got to have it now or I. Ll die attitude.
Also if you have a lighter date in the daytime it can be a good warm up before seeing a regular. And then really giving it to her good. And if the light date gets heavy. Well in my case I may or may not have to cancel as I am basically a once a day guy most of the time. IMHO the supply (me) is way less than the demand (them). So why stress out?
Wow, there's a lot going on here the last day or so. Let me see what I can cover, and forgive me if I miss something. At the end, I'll add an anecdote of my own, along with my question of the day.
Talking about sex before a M&G: Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had to specify exactly what I want at future meetings. And maybe it's the hopeless romantic in me (ha!), but I don't like the idea of it. After a few months in the game, I can usually tell if the girl is in tune with the nature of the SB world by the end of the first M&G. Sometimes they make it obvious; I met a girl this week who "isn't into providing sexual favors for money." Good for you, honey, but I'm not in the habit of giving an allowance for "time and companionship." I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, the ones who are willing to explicitly talk about sex without ever meeting you are more likely to be pros, UTR pros, or semi-pros. Just saying.
Gifts: Scott, I would wait and see what she gives you. Then, if you are so inclined, you have the opportunity to give considerable thought to a gift in return.
Dog Rice: You are new and excited, my friend. Take a moment to step back and think or even sleep on it. If it is meant to be, she'll still be wanting to meet you tomorrow. Talking about exchanging STD tests this early in your "relationship" indicates to me that she's too much business, not enough GFE. But maybe that's what you want. Given your statement about transitioning from the escort world, maybe that's not a bad thing. But tread carefully.
My world: I had a M&G with a 39yo (they're never 40 or 41, always 39, it seems) Asian baby tonight. Divorced, three kids, with more degrees (and probably more money) than I. She is very smart, very cute, and funny. Given her financial security, I think she's mainly looking for a boy toy to hang out with. Dinner was nice, and we wandered around the mall afterward. She wanted to go to Victoria's Secret to browse, which was promising, but they were closing as we walked by. So I walked her to my car so I could drive her to hers. We sat there and made out for a bit, and she asked me to go home with her. "Can't you spend the night with me?" isn't something I'm accustomed to hearing two hours after meeting someone.
"No," I said. "I have to be home soon."
"Just spend a couple hours with me."
It was tough, really tough, to say no. I had not arranged an extended work release with the warden, and my curfew was quickly approaching.
"Why can't you? Do you have a wife at home?"
She apparently had not carefully read my SA profile, which clearly says "married, but looking." She was visibly disappointed, and it was suddenly very chilly in the car. I see no point in lying to babies about this, and it would be hard to keep up the charade anyway. She politely thanked me for dinner and was on her way.
I've been texting her since we left, trying to gauge whether she wants to meet again. As she admits, she "really likes me." But I can tell she is reluctant to be involved with a married man. She wants to know she will be the only one I'm seeing on the side, as she is very "safe." The conversation is leading me to believe I still have a chance, but who knows? I really want to see her again, because, to paraphrase Wedding Crashers, she would have been my first Asian!
What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.
Great advices, HG and Cmdr.
Seems that some gals are pushing for amount (e. G, the 2nd sentence over our first phone call is the amount she got in her previous arrangement.) and some gals don't even ask before M&G.
What is your approach? Don't talk about sugar before M&G?
I always tell the girls I will be more than happy with a HJ on the first date. How many hot girls can go on a date and get all worked up only to give the guy a HJ in the end? Not many. So really what ends up happening is they beg to give you some oral or just go all the way. About 75% of the time I get it all on the first date. And if it takes a second date. I don't care. I have had some awesome sex that didn't involve intercourse. And I think there is sometimes too much pressure for everyone on a first date to perform. Take away the pressure. You know like in sales. And what happens. Everyone relaxes and has a good time. The girls see this as respectful and usually end up showing their gratitude. Also. They see this as very mature. And thats what they all want. Not the younger guy I got to have it now or I. Ll die attitude.
Also if you have a lighter date in the daytime it can be a good warm up before seeing a regular. And then really giving it to her good. And if the light date gets heavy. Well in my case I may or may not have to cancel as I am basically a once a day guy most of the time. IMHO the supply (me) is way less than the demand (them). So why stress out?
HollywoodGuy
09-27-12, 01:22
Wow, there's a lot going on here the last day or so. Let me see what I can cover, and forgive me if I miss something. At the end, I'll add an anecdote of my own, along with my question of the day.
What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.Honesty is the best policy. Really.
I am single but have about 6 regulars. And they all know about each other. Competition keeps them on their toes. I hate that phrase "spoiled rotten". Because if you do that its just like spoiled fruit. You don't want it anymore. Remember you are giving them the BFE. Make them work for it.
HollywoodGuy
09-27-12, 01:28
The last girl I broke up with suddenly started deep throating when she saw the handwriting on the wall. Make up sex can be the best sex ever. It's good to break up with them once in a while or ignore them. They have to know they are not the only game in town. The # of babes is way way more than the # of daddies. Never forget that.
Talking about sex before a M&G: Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had to specify exactly what I want at future meetings. And maybe it's the hopeless romantic in me (ha!), but I don't like the idea of it. After a few months in the game, I can usually tell if the girl is in tune with the nature of the SB world by the end of the first M&G. Sometimes they make it obvious; I met a girl this week who "isn't into providing sexual favors for money." Good for you, honey, but I'm not in the habit of giving an allowance for "time and companionship." I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, the ones who are willing to explicitly talk about sex without ever meeting you are more likely to be pros, UTR pros, or semi-pros. Just sayingJoe,
Thank you for the perspective. Interestingly enough, I don't ever wind up meeting with the "explicit sex talkers" cause I scare them off with my requests for kinky sex or the fact that I'm not giving out much sugar. I never thought about that fact that I'm not really talking to "true SB's" (that is if there is such a thing) because I come from the lifestyle world. In the lifestyle world it's not unusual to discuss details of the encounter you are looking for before meeting. (I. E. Husband talking about his wife: "I'll be watching from the closet. She likes her hair pulled, ass slapping and to be verbally degraded. Condoms for penetration. But no ass fucking, she saves that for me.") My best experiences have been with SB's when our expectations have been stated very generally.
As for the married part, you are going to run into this anytime you treat your SB like a girlfriend. Honesty is the best policy. But we are human beings. Not everyone can fake it. Sometimes the experience is real! My current ATF knew I was married. But she is too. But separated and getting a divorce. (Actually I will probably end up in the same place). She told me early on that it was the first time she was involved with married man. Last night as I was walking her to her to her car in the mall parking lot while holding hands she says: "I got on the web site because I was ready for something different. I had no idea I would start a new relationship with someone I met there." Life happens!
Your pot baby is making the adjustment. Give her time. She will either get comfortable with the idea or she will not. Stay with it. There is nothing but upside for you!
SubCmdr out.
P. S. You lucky dog! I love Asian women. Never had one myself. I got a bad case of "pussy envy" just reading your story.
Scotty, the only gift you need to give her is your dick. Whan a girl wants to gift you enjoy the sentiment and don't feel like a reciprocation is necessary. It sounds like she will bring a little sex toy or something mutually enjoyable I would think.
I'm week 2 into SDFM cruising and have sent 20 ems and have only 2 responses so far. One is a 19 yr old college girl who is interested in chatting and the other is a 20 yr old. So wish me luck
As to the ongoing drama of my HCB, I am in the same boat as you Scotty. She has dropped me like a hot potato thanks to the W's slash and burn maneuver. She salted the earth and I don't think we will recover, but I'm still trying until the fat lady sings.
Listen to your SB's gentlemen. They will tell you what is important to them. Then tie your cash to these important items. Anything that you provide that they are not getting else where is some thing that is going to be important to them and build the most valuable of intangibles 'goodwill'. Take my ATF for example. She initially meets me with peep toe shoes on. I have a mild foot / leg fetish so that works for me. During the action I'm taking her shoes off and she is self conscious about feet tell me she has not gotten her nails done and she prefers to have color on them. I'm moving up looking for the party favors at this point, but I make a mental note. The next morning I ask how much does it cost to get your nails done. She says: 'I don't know. ' That is a little white lie but I'll go with it. Here is $40 is that going to be enough? She give me a coy smile and nod. She then asks me what colors do I like. We talk about many different colors and finally tell her to pick something and surprise me. And I tell her to make sure to send me a picture.
By our next date I have not received a picture. What is the first thing she shows off when we see each other? That's right her nails. And she just had them done the afternoon of our date (so she says). The point of this story is just like all women in our lives it is the little things that count. A little 'goodwill' will get you deeper and longer in the pussy than a lot of money!
Now not everyone can or wants to roll like the Cmdr rolls. And it's all good. But if this is fly fishing please consider this one of my knot tying techniques that has worked for me.
SubCmdr out
John G Smith
09-27-12, 16:07
What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.
On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.
Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married/attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.
That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.
The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.
Tricky stuff.
John,
I can share some of my experience here. Before entering the Sugar Bowl this week and before escort world (previous and still overlapping w / my Sugar experience) , I have been hunting down freebies in various dating sites mainly during international travel. Occasionally, got some in US. Took a lot of time since is dating, but the return could be very high (True GFE and a lot of passion). Some of the oversea ones are truly freebies. (they setup hotel, trip, . Etc). .
Of course, the downside is the stress (such as: why can't we go to your home? Let's stay overnight somewhere? Asking me to go to fu. K at midnight? Calling me like crazy). I got some crazy gal calling me from oversea every 2 hours for several days. The stress was so high that I decided to get out of that world. Lying sucks. (learned my lesson). Now, I stick w / honesty.
After reading your story about some psycho, I will try to disclose as tiny info to SB (when I get one) as possible.
Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.
On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.
Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married / attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.
That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.
The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.
Tricky stuff.
I'm just venting. I've set up initial M&Gs with two pots from the same town about an hour away for each of the past two weeks. The first was a no-show. The second has been communicating with me today, the day of our meeting, but only on a sporadic basis. We agreed to meet closer to me, so I'll show up at the appointed time, but I honestly have no idea if #2 will show either.
How hard is it, really, to respond in a timely manner to simple questions? To confirm our meeting place?
Perhaps I ask too much, but I hope not. If this one doesn't show, I'm writing off the entire town.
Vent over. We now return to our regularly-scheduled programming.
Edit to add: She just canceled. At least she did it before we were to meet, but at this point, I think it's best to focus my time on the more responsive babies.
Now not everyone can or wants to roll like the Cmdr rolls. And it's all good. But if this is fly fishing please consider this one of my knot tying techniques that has worked for me.
SubCmdr outCommander,
I Laughed Out Loud when I read this! Right on, my brother, and I will be sure to add it to my tackle box! Isn't this a great world we have chosen? Plus, I kinda love coral pink toenails myself.
Permission to leave the bridge,
Scott
I got the same treatment today. Setup M&Gs w / 2 pots today. Confirming w / them (via text) several hours ago, and man just not responding. At the end, I texted them that I assume the meeting is cancelled unless I got a confirmation back. (of course, in a nicer wording). Both got cancelled. Is wearing me out a bit. I am slowing down. .
I'm just venting. I've set up initial M&Gs with two pots from the same town about an hour away for each of the past two weeks. The first was a no-show. The second has been communicating with me today, the day of our meeting, but only on a sporadic basis. We agreed to meet closer to me, so I'll show up at the appointed time, but I honestly have no idea if #2 will show either.
How hard is it, really, to respond in a timely manner to simple questions? To confirm our meeting place?
Perhaps I ask too much, but I hope not. If this one doesn't show, I'm writing off the entire town.
Vent over. We now return to our regularly-scheduled programming.
Edit to add: She just canceled. At least she did it before we were to meet, but at this point, I think it's best to focus my time on the more responsive babies.
Well I haven't posted on this forum for a while but have been testing the waters off and on with SA over the past 8 months or so with some level of success. I have not yet found anything close enough to call my ATF and to convince me to be monogamous just yet, but have been with several SBs more than a few times and have to admit it is a fun and rewarding sport. Most of my contacts have been in the 19 to 26 yr old range and most have been fairly normal girls just looking for a little extra cash and a good time. But the sex has just been OK so far and nothing really good enough to post about.
One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.
Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:
"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."
I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.
Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.
Well I haven't posted on this forum for a while but have been testing the waters off and on with SA over the past 8 months or so with some level of success. I have not yet found anything close enough to call my ATF and to convince me to be monogamous just yet, but have been with several SBs more than a few times and have to admit it is a fun and rewarding sport. Most of my contacts have been in the 19 to 26 yr old range and most have been fairly normal girls just looking for a little extra cash and a good time. But the sex has just been OK so far and nothing really good enough to post about.
One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.
Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:
"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."
I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.
Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.I agree; keep this one out of your life. I know from experience that if you give in, they will try to squeeze every last penny out of you.
WoodSlinger
09-28-12, 12:03
Have to stop in and say thanks to the regulars that contribute here. I have been playing the sugar game for about a year and a half. I keep adjusting my strategies based on methods other posters have used with success. The knowledge that is shared here is priceless. In the past two months I have screened 50+ real email responses from M4W sections of Craigs List. I have had 4 meet and greets. Then finally I hit pay dirt this week, having spent 3 hours in a hotel with an absolutely stunning 21 yo, blonde, blue-eyed coed. Immediately following our first M&G. This was my first sugar experience since August of 2011. I do partake in well reviewed Back page girls, and have a few numbers of girls from the street that are good for a cheap quick fix.
However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.
WS
"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."
I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.I don't know man. (smh) I see opportunity in desperation! And there is value in a relationship. On average it costs a business 6 to 7 times the amount to get a new customer than to retain a current one. She has indicated to you that she is ready to become your personal garden tool. It's time for a drive by. Get you dick sucked in the back seat. Force her to deep throat. Bust in her mouth. Make her swallow! Give her standard tuition for a BJ. And tell her you are only into 68 now and you owe her one! If your really ambitious, turn her out if she needs more $. As I have stated before. She will either learn a new talent or resolve to manage her personal finances better. Either way you are still getting off. Cause we in this for the pussy we don't love the ho's. Right?
She has moved from Nando 1 status to Garden Tool with internet access. Personally I don't know why there is the hate in the forum against Nando 1's. As a class they are not all bad. That is where I have gotten some of my best down and dirty action. And personally I'd rather give my money to a woman who really needs it as opposed to some rich college girl spoiled by Daddy and too lazy to get off her ass and work three jobs like I did to get through college.
As for Garden Tools, they have their purpose also. I don't like to eat in Michelin rated restaurants all of the time. Sometimes I need some junk food. And if you are dealing with a garden tool (s) with internet access simply be aware and behave accordingly. (I. E. Don't let your guard down like I did.)
We work with dangerous chemicals in our homes all the time. Bathroom cleaners, lighter fluid and gasoline are some examples. But no one would suggest that we stop grilling because some idiot blew himself up over the July 4th by spraying lighter fluid into a grill with hot coals.
SubCmdr out
Have to stop in and say thanks to the regulars that contribute here. I have been playing the sugar game for about a year and a half. I keep adjusting my strategies based on methods other posters have used with success. The knowledge that is shared here is priceless. In the past two months I have screened 50+ real email responses from M4W sections of Craigs List. I have had 4 meet and greets. Then finally I hit pay dirt this week, having spent 3 hours in a hotel with an absolutely stunning 21 yo, blonde, blue-eyed coed. Immediately following our first M&G. This was my first sugar experience since August of 2011. I do partake in well reviewed Back page girls, and have a few numbers of girls from the street that are good for a cheap quick fix.
However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.
WSBrother Woodster (we already have a "Woody" - GuyWoodson) ,
Let me be the first of many to welcome you to the clubhouse. As you have already experienced, this is not the hobby for the corner-cutters nor the place to achieve quick results. They are an elusive and quixotic breed, these sugar babies, but if you are fortunate enough to land one, or two, the rewards are worth ten times the effort. Scroll back through the entire thread, take what advice you feel relevant, and leave the rest. Everyone on here has contributed valuable advice, gleaned from personal experience and hard work, so no one's comments should be dismissed lightly.
I think you will find that anyone here will be more than happy to share information and experieces with you, including our den baby, Mandy.
Good luck to you, and don't forget to write.
Scott
HollywoodGuy
09-29-12, 01:10
This thread has the second lowest pics to posts ratio except some Honolulu mp thread. Its like. 02. Can't we see some g rated face slightly hidden pics? Please
HollywoodGuy
09-29-12, 01:16
However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.
WSThis is what I live for. But in between there are lot of fun interviews with non repeaters. I love being the first sd, first white guy, first kinky sex, first multiple o, and on and on.
Chatted w / this 22 yrs Brunette for several days. We were both eager to meet. M&G turned into dinner date. I did ask her "did you read my profile?" She looked at me and said "yes". Had great time. Lot of touching and hugging. After dinner, she started asking me about "you married?". I said,"yes as mentioned in the profile. You knew this before coming out, correct?".
She was then telling me that she has a high moral standard, blah blah blah. Then, she said that I can't have sex with you, but I like you and want to see you more. As being a gentlemen (or gentle-dog) , I told her that this is mutual relationship and if she does not want, so be it. (said it in very polite way). I did express my disappointment that we should not even meet if she has such mortal issue. She told me that she really wants to see me.
I pretty much took her back to her car (with some chatting w / her. Blah blah blah) and drive out as fast as my engine can.
P. S: Sub-Cmdr gave me a lecture that such SB pot are "conflicted SB". There will be others like that. (thank you, Cmdr)
Dog is still in "Cadet" level.
This thread has the second lowest pics to posts ratio except some Honolulu mp thread. Its like. 02.I don't think that lack as in any way a shortcoming.
Can't we see some g rated face slightly hidden pics? PleaseNot to say some might be willing to do so, or have SBs that wouldn't mind the exposure, but in my own case, there's no fvcking way I'm posting a picture of my one and only sugar baby. I don't even have one on my phone. I've spent a long time with her, and doing that would, IMO, be a violation of the trust we've built up. I will not disparage those who do post such, but my belief is that, for many potential sugar daddies, the hoped-for nature of a SB relationship pretty much precludes the posting of pictures on a public sex oriented web site.
Just my two cents.
/z
One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.
Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:
"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."
I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.
Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.Obviously, if you're not getting what you want out of a relationship, then it's pointless to pursue it. However, I kinda of agree with SubCmdr on this one. If her hunger makes her willing to go back to the way it was, were it me, I might give her another shot, even telling her up straight up that you really liked the way it was when you first met, and the reason you stopped seeing her was because she stopped doing the things you like and that she apparently stopped having fun, and that that's not the type of relationship you want.
Before I met the girl I'm seeing now, I spent a lot of years chasing strippers, and still do sometimes, albeit with much less frequency, and what your girl has done here sounds like what every money hungry stripper does, suck you in (sometimes literally) with high performance, and then drop off as long as the sugar keeps coming. When the sugar falls off, one of two things happens. Either she drops you like a hot potato and moves on to the next PL, or she ramps it up again. The girls who do the latter can sometimes be worth it.
Of course, if she's now lying about having lied about not liking that stuff, and is just going through the motions to get your money, it might not be worth it, but that's something you have to judge for yourself.
/z
"Why can't you? Do you have a wife at home?"
She apparently had not carefully read my SA profile, which clearly says "married, but looking." She was visibly disappointed, and it was suddenly very chilly in the car. I see no point in lying to babies about this, and it would be hard to keep up the charade anyway. She politely thanked me for dinner and was on her way.
[snipped]
What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.
Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married/attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.I agree completely with being upfront about being married. In my dealings with strippers and other providers, I've never been shy about answering "yes" to the question of whether I'm married, and probably for much the same reasons, it gets it out of the way, and I don't like lying. And for any who might consider that statement hypocritical, I can only advise you to check your premises and preconceptions.
My SB knew shortly after we met, and long before we started anything sexual, that I was married, and happily so. It's actually one of the reasons she considers me "safe", because there's no danger of me leaving my wife and showing up on her doorstep. She doesn't want me for a boyfriend (even the one she has, she never calls "boyfriend") and I'm completely uninterested in an emotional relationship of the type I have with my wife. I personally think that's why it's lasted so long. Neither of us wants anything from each other except for exactly what we're getting.
/z
The irony is in re: these Babies who have moral qualms about sleeping with a Daddy who is married don't have any problem fucking the unmarried ones for money. Go figure? This is truly selective morality.
"Selective Morality". Yes. My last night SB did say,"sometimes I don't give a fuck about my moral level"."but I can't have sex w / married men". WTF.
The irony is in re: these Babies who have moral qualms about sleeping with a Daddy who is married don't have any problem fucking the unmarried ones for money. Go figure? This is truly selective morality.
CantWinLosin
09-29-12, 12:21
I firmly believe that most of the babies who balk at married daddies while happily sleeping with unmarried ones (and I've known married women who fall into that category too) do so because what they're *really* looking for is a white knight, not a benefactor. If you're looking to be a white knight, that's fine... but if all you want is to have an open-ended casual connection, such "damsels in distress" end up being more trouble than they're worth.
Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.
On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.
Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married / attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.
That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.
The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.
Tricky stuff.I've noticed the same regarding some Asian SB's having a reluctance to go out with married guys. Mostly Koreans and those from the Phillipines in my experience. My SB for the last seven months is a Korean sophmore attending a University in my city. She has a few other friends besides me. She tells me that she sees only unmarried guys, either single or divorced. I have been married more than once. With out lying I let her know that I was married in the past. I say what is the difference if one is or is not married. The SB is getting the $, gifts, and bills paid that she wants. She has absolutely no intention of ever going out with me other than as a SB. I do not know her friends, etc. She doesn't know mine. She is not looking for companionship from me only Louis Vuitton bags etc. I get to have a 19 yr old to sleep with 2 or 3 times a week. We are both happy in our own way.
Gentlemen,
This whole "married or not" discussion goes back to my earlier observation that the Bowl allows us to be completely honest, upfront and unvarnished, which I for one find liberating and exciting. A married SD is not for every baby, and that's fine. Some mention it right in their texts, and so I do not even bother to contact them.
I wear a wedding ring all the time, in fact I'm not sure I could get it off at this point, so there's no use, even if I wanted to, for me to pretend otherwise.
I've met with a few babies who then decide, so they say, that they just can't get past it. True or not, I always reply that I appreciate their letting me know, as opposed to just vanishing, and wish them luck.
One of these has come back a month or so later and, after complimenting me on the politeness of my response, wanted to give it another try. Ultimately, it did lead to some playtime, but in the end I just wasn't all that into her.
If you are married but keeping it hidden, maybe the short term babies will never know, or care, but if you happen to hit on a great, long-term situation, you'll have some 'splainin' to do, and it could just fuck the whole thing up.
This is, of course, my feeling on the matter. As has been pointed out, some babies prefer a married daddy, since we are "safe" and won't be looking to mess their lives up. Some, I believe, even find it a turn-on: they are getting something "forbidden". If only they knew, LOL!
Have a great weekend, my brothers. Still no news worth printing on this end, but the situation continues to look rosier and rosier.
Keep up the good work,
Scott
Gentlemen, and especially members of my local chapter,
I feel I need to post up this short message, alerting you that apparently I have been single-handedly pruning the Chicago tree of Baby deadwood. I have just had the most bizaare email exchange with a baby I met for the first time yesterday, and with whom by both accounts I had a wonderful coffee hour. A follow-up text from her re-iterated this, and closed with promises of more good times to come. I swear I am not making this up!
Today I got one of the chillier slap-downs I have ever received, totally unprovoked, in my mind, by anything I had said earlier. I hadn't even emailed or contacted her in any way since our meeting yesterday, and am greeted, in part, by sentences such as this," I am not the sort of person who can have that sort of connection with an older man, money involved or no." Ok, overlooking the repetition of the word "sort", why the fuck did you respond to me in the first place? Why did you send me 17 long emails telling me about your entire life up to now, closing with tender endearments? Why, at the base of it all, are you on SA? You're not going to meet your hubby here! We're called "daddies" and "babies" for a reason, get it?
I will spare you the additional bewildering emails from her, but suffice it to say that, by my count, since I rejoined SA three or so months ago, I have personally weeded out 6 psychos, or Conflicted Babies, who have cancelled their profiles after encountering me, sometimes only once, but not after dumping some crazy shit on me! It truly makes a man wonder what kind of world we live in. Do they think we will pay them just to hang out with us? I'm not that desperate ... yet! Thank God for Polo and Brit, and my Asheville nursery. Honestly!
Anyway, no real value here other than humor, I hope, except to say I feel more than ever we must love the pursuit as much as the prize. I find it ironic that I have this experience immediately after I post my thoughts below about honesty. I swear I am totally upfront about my situation, what I'm looking for, what I am willing to do, and what I expect in return, but in a very polite way! Maybe it has something to do with the economy?
Peace,
Scott
PS - I'm not a bad-looking guy, right Mandy?
John G Smith
09-30-12, 02:07
Re: Pictures.
If I was dealing with semi-Pros or UTR girls I might be inclined to post pictures. But most of the babies I'm dealing with are just regular girls. Okay maybe I'm using the term "regular" a bit loosely, but many of them aren't hiding their real identities or facebook profiles and they're not trying to make a business of out of this. They're basically girls who have regular lives that they are willing to suppress some of their morals to have an older guy make things easier for them. But they're not living out of hotels, posting CL / BP ads, or seeing dozens of "clients" UTR. Just as I expect my SB to be discreet with any information they know about me, I'm going to respect their privacy and I'm not going to post their picture (even with their face blurred) on a public sex site. IMO, it's a violation of the discretion part of the agreement.
Also another reason is that I don't want to risk exposing myself either. Many of us (and the lurkers who read this forum) fish from the same sugar baby ponds. If I post a picture of a SB, someone else could still recognize her, contact her, and point them to this topic. All of a sudden my forum postings here could be linked to my real world. You risk your anonymity by posting pics of SBs who frequent sugar daddy sites. For us married guys, we have to be a bit more cautious than you single SDs. Especially since in this particular topic, we post A LOT of details about our various escapades. I think it's best for most of us to leave a little ambiguity by keeping our posts literary driven. As it is, we use nick / code names for our SBs in this topic, unlike the LA Non-Pro topics, which post real names.
I obviously enjoy looking at the pics in the other Non-Pro topics, but I'm perfectly fine with this topic not having pictures. This topic is more story driven, than picture driven. And I think it fits the SD / SB lifestyle.
HollywoodGuy
09-30-12, 02:48
Re: Pictures.
If I was dealing with semi-Pros or UTR girls I might be inclined to post pictures. But most of the babies I'm dealing with are just regular girls.
For us married guys, we have to be a bit more cautious than you single SDs.
I obviously enjoy looking at the pics in the other Non-Pro topics, but I'm perfectly fine with this topic not having pictures. This topic is more story driven, than picture driven. And I think it fits the SD / SB lifestyle.I am starting to appreciate the theme on this thread. And thanks for the insight.
While I have done a lot of sd. Ing. I also do a lot of utr girls. And of course I am not in your area. And yes I am single. So observing what other people do and stirring the pot once in a while is the only way for me to learn anything. Thanks again.
I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?
Let's see. The Forum has taken an interesting turn of late.
I've read:
A post disparaging those who make 'notching' posts.
A post that says: I pay women to fuck me; I'm honest; I prefer not to lie; and I am married.
A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement. Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.
Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?
I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?
I read some very practical reasons why photos are not posted in this Forum. But I've also read some outrageous ones that border on complete delusion. Like the posts proclaiming the higher nature of the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship. Posts that show concern for the poor sugar baby that might be outed someday. (Ask Hernando if not posting a picture helped with that). Concern that we might loose access to some pussy that we are paying for. LOL I cannot even keep a straight face while I write this. And find myself rolling on the floor laughing when I read such things.
Am I missing something here? As they say in talk radio: 'I'll take my answer off the air'
SubCmdr out!
I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?Not a damn thing. While I personally prefer stories that are more than just chest thumping, I also recognize that there is an element of that in almost all of the posts here, including my own, and that not everyone feels the way I do. Since I get to choose what I read and don't read, just like everyone else, I don't see any problem.
A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement.Well, to be fair, I only stated that it would be a violation of my arrangement, and that I thought others might feel the same way. For those who don't feel that way or who have babies who don't mind, I'm certainly not going to suggest that such pictures should be forbidden or anything like that.
Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.As to this, I can only advise, again, that you check your premises.
Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?Well, personally, I see nothing wrong with wanting, and taking reasonable precautions, to preserve a relationship where I get some of the best pussy I've ever had, from a girl who enjoys it (or fakes it really well) and doesn't want much from me aside from some financial help. Sure, it's going to end some day, but until that day comes, I'm going to do my best to not piss her off by posting a picture in a public place, pronouncing that she's my "personal ho". True as it may be, I see no good coming from it aside from the titillation of people whose good opinions mean much less to me than hers. That last isn't intended to be an insult, just a statement of fact.
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" babies prefer a married daddy, since we are "safe" and won't be looking to mess their real lives up " ala F Scott.
Each sb and sd has our own needs and rationalizes them in a way that preserves our sanity and dignity. My SB did not want a guy who could interfere with her real life. She made it clear when the shit hit the fan that I was not EVER going to be introduced to Mom, Dad, Sisters, or friends. Therefore I knew my place in her life. On the other hand, she made me feel like the only man in her world and that was good enough for me. She in fact, was THE perfect SB. When the double dose of shit hit the fan and she was outed to her family and work associates then she tossed me aside like yesterday's chopped liver. So it sure busted my bubble of hope that she really could be an IRL girlfriend. NOT!
" I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?" ala Subcmdr
Yes! I have always maintained that this pursuit is prostitution no matter how you want to color it. Perhaps it is a kinder and gentler version. But it is what it is and we all have to live with that. Particularly the young girls who try to deny that fact while taking our money and our semen (ouch! That was harsh wasn't it?).
HollywoodGuy
09-30-12, 13:08
I am single. I always have a few regular girls and I make sure that they all know about each other. And also that I will hook-up with a few random girls a month as well. This have a pseudo type marriage of sorts. I tell the girls I am married. To my job and my hobby. That I am a girl addict. Nothing they do or say is going to change that. So what kind of girl would be willing to join in this type of relationship?
1. The curious.
2. The ones that think they can change me.
3. The ones that like that I have proven my ability to support multiple women.
4. The ones that think I am a stud.
5. The ones that don't want someone too clingy.
6. The ones that are grateful for any decent guys attention.
7. The ones that want to learn to be utr, pros or sugar babbies.
I do not search out any BP or known pro girls. But some non-pro girls do eventually advance their careers so to speak.
I do not see being married in the traditional sense as being a problem to having a good sb relationship. Some girls will pass on that for sure. And there are ones that will pass on you if you are not married. I always say you can't be everything to everyone. So why try. And this is why I am not married. As a husband I was very demanding. Expecting my wife to provide everything in every way. This is not a reasonable expectation. With a wife and a sugar baby or having multiple sugar babies I can divide the expectations between them. I believe that there are women that feel the same way, want the same thing or are at least willing to compromise the dream of the knight in shining armor to get a piece of the pie.
Kinda rambling but hopefully I made a point or two. In the 20 years I was married I was always honest with whoever I was cheating with about my marital status.
After having spoken to many girls about this topic and other sensitive issues. Almost universally they tell me they appreciate me being upfront with the info so they can make an intelligent decision about what they want out of the relationship and with out the bullshit or uncertainty. Women are pretty good bs detectors when it comes to other girls, relationships or any kind of lying in matters of the heart.
I am not judging anyone. I am not attacking anyone. I just expressed an opinion and I'm just trying to understand. I asked a question. Others have answered it. I appreciate that. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE this fucking forum. (pun intended) It has opened my eyes to an entire world of pussy I did not even know existed.
Ok, I think I get it. Lying to the wife protects the original arrangement. Keeping the explicit or implicit agreement to all others allows you to continue to drill deep in all of the holes of your personal ho. Yes, take care of you first. Makes sense to me. I can't hate on you for that. I really don't give a damn if anyone posts pictures or not. I'm not going to post any pictures here because the unstated culture of this particular forum frowns upon it.
I work for the government. When you take that dollar out of my pocket without my permission. Don't tell me you 'misappropriated my funds'. No mother fucker 'you just stole from me! 'My point is there is no reason to claim that pursuit of the babies is a higher calling than picking up street meat. I'm saying simply call a garden tool a garden tool. It does not matter if you buy it at Home Depot or Tiffany's or what fancy name you choose to call it. It is still a garden tool and you will still use it to dig in the dirt.
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Yes! I have always maintained that this pursuit is prostitution no matter how you want to color it. Perhaps it is a kinder and gentler version. But it is what it is and we all have to live with that. Particularly the young girls who try to deny that fact while taking our money and our semen (ouch! That was harsh wasn't it?).Just give to me straight no chase. Look me straight in my face and just tell it like it is!
SubCmdr out
FeelGoodMd
09-30-12, 20:37
A recent experience I had seems worth mentioning in the context of recent posts. I have still been communicating with my first SB, and still my favorite, who moved out of state (about 150 miles away) for grad school. We had seen each other once since then, when she was home for a family wedding, and were making plans last Friday to see each other again. She had never asked for a specific amount of money for our meetings, in fact had never asked about money at all. That is one of the reasons I liked her (and was more generous with her than with others). She had told me I was her first, and still only, SD (truth? Lie? Who knows).
In planning her visit, I told her I'd give her my usual gift plus an extra $ for gas money since she was making the trip specifically to see me (if I was making the trip in my V8 pickup, I'd probably spend about. 8 in gas round trip). She texted back with "how about $$?" After 10 minutes of silence from my end, she added "times are tough."
I texted back to ask whether she thought I wasn't generous enough, and she texted "I need the usual plus $$ to come down."
Another 30 minutes of silence on my end brought "don't you think I'm worth it?" Based on the exchange to that point, I was already considering burning that bridge. After that response, I made the decision. My answer to her: "Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are."
Needless to say, I haven't heard back from her. I don't expect to.
Sometimes, you have to dismiss a patient. It's a regrettable, but necessary, part of practicing in this specialty.
Dr. Feelgood
John G Smith
09-30-12, 23:02
What's ironic is that on another forum on this site, I've been in a debate trying to encourage more members to post intel / info on Pros who advertise in BP / CL. And I'm getting yelled at for not being secretive enough. LOL.
Anyway, I have no hard feelings here. I enjoy a healthy debate / argument. It's nice to see other perspectives even if I don't agree with them and they don't agree with me. Can always learn something.
Anyway a few things and I'm just speaking for myself. Don't take my comments as representing this forum, they just represent me.
I've always been a shades of grey type of person rather than seeing things in black and white. For example, I don't see every type of girl in this lifestyle as a singular type of garden tool to dig in the dirt. Mainly because I'm not always looking to dig holes. Sometimes I want to do a bit of sanding, so a garden hoe would be inadequate for the job.
To take it to the real world, when I'm looking for a quality sugar baby I'm not simply looking for a young lady to drill for cheap. That can be accomplished easy enough through BP. I'm not looking to get e-involved, but I am looking to have somewhat of a friendship connection and to have someone who I can chat / txt with regularly beyond the FC. I'm looking for something of a traditional "mistress". That's my personal reasons for chasing sugar babies.
Look I know a sugar baby is ultimately there for my money and I'm ultimately there for her body. But unlike with an escort, I may know some of her personal info and what she's going through and etc. And she has some level of respect for me even if there's little attraction. A BP / CL garden tool doesn't need to respect you for shit. You could weigh 300 pounds and work as a sign twirler and she'll still bang you for 15 min if you got 80 bucks. Most sugar babies aren't hardened to that point yet and still have some gag reflexes.
Heck, just recently I had 3 sugar babies reject me because of my looks. I had financial details all arranged perfectly and we were good to go. But I delayed on sending my picture so when I did send it, I got flat out rejected and never heard from them again. My money was good enough for them, but apparently my face or race wasn't. (And I'm not a bad looking guy!)
Granted some sugar babies are less picky, just want to do the deed, and get paid. Those do fall into the garden tool variety. I sometimes have a couple of those girls on the side, but that's not primarily what I'm looking for with sugar babies. Remember I gave my ISBE rating system a few weeks ago. Everyone's ISBE will be a little different.
I don't think any one type is better than another. It just depends on what you're looking for. There's no "higher" calling. Just a "different" calling. Though I always got the vibe that this particular sub-forum is generally composed of guys who are looking for more mid / long term sugar baby relationships, not random hookups. So if you're looking for longer term arrangements, of course you're going to be more careful about posting pics and such because there's just an inherent personal connection when you see someone regularly for at least several months.
As for the lying / honesty discussion, most of us here are all hypocrites to a degree. But again, I'm a shades of gray person. Just because I ended up lying in one situation, doesn't mean I'm branded a liar for all time and obligated to lie / disrespect others until my dying days. Sometimes I'm a gentlemen, sometimes I'm an asshole. I strive to be the former more often than not, but hey shit happens. On the whole though, I try to treat everyone with respect.
EuroInCincy
09-30-12, 23:17
Wow I have been busy with wordly pleasures and not been able to dive into the personal journals here. Is it election time or so that we have to discuss morals, posting or not posting pictures.
Gee I thought that the fact that I reached the point where I can have my play mate (aka a sugar baby, or personable ho, or affair or space craft or vessel. Who cares) reach a climax by just talking to her. By taking her on the journey, with just holding her hand and getting her into warp speed with just words and whispers and then to climax is just a show how much a play mate can be into you.
Hope you all enjoyed your last days as much as I did, and yes my long and short range sensors are overloaded with incoming space craft, any local traffic controllers who can take some load of me?
I have been "swimming" inside the sugar bowl for a week now, and would like to share some of my personal opinion:
- Thanks for this thread and many of you's great advices.
- Most of the pots (95%+) are expecting escort's treatment or higher especially w / sugar amount (excluding GPS)
- Most of the pots do not give a "fu? K" about chemistry, and SB / SD relationship. Pretty much Prostitution mindset.
- Lot of time, but not much return. (Experience is part of the fun)
- If I see a Nando#1 especially without job, I should just run and don't look back.
Given that I refuse to pay escort amount and rules (e. G, time on a date) [Thanks for the advices from Cmdr], I am just not getting much luck. Anyway, going to slow down on the search and hybrid back into escort world for a while.
Just my personal opinion. If you don't agree, I am happy to hear it but please don't stab me.
Fellow brothers-in-pussy,
I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.
If you are hammer, every problem is a nail. And if you are a gun, every problem is a target. I'm a market guy and I see the sugar world as a transactional sex market. And if it is a market then there are bid and ask prices. And there are certain market factors in each geographical area that are going to effect these bid and ask prices. Also, each SD and SB chooses the a market segment they wish to operate within. Is my view of this world a over simplification?
I know that I offer very low sugar amounts. My philosophy is that if you are not a professional, then you are not going to get paid like one. If you are a true non-pro then you should be simply getting a gift for something you give away for free in your personal life. As such, I look at escort prices and set my sugar amounts accordingly.
In fact, I had a SB tell me,"My girlfriend who is on this site says she gets 1K a meet. Your offer is less than what BP girls get." Wow! Go be a BP girl! Who pays 1K a meeting for pussy? Really? Pussy that you are not married to? Is pussy really worth that much? Even if I had that kind of money (which I don't) I don't see myself giving it up for some pussy.
Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?
SubCmdr out
WoodSlinger
10-01-12, 16:59
These type of discussions entertain me. I have my own demons and privacy, Sig Other reasons that I keep a low profile with the girls I talk to. I play on BP, the streets here are full of quality garden tools that will blow and swallow for $30. However, The sugar bowl is much more interesting to me. Finding that first time SB is a reward that trumps the random one night stands of yester year.
You guys certainly keep me coming back for more.
WS out.
I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?
Let's see. The Forum has taken an interesting turn of late.
I've read:
A post disparaging those who make 'notching' posts.
A post that says: I pay women to fuck me; I'm honest; I prefer not to lie; and I am married.
A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement. Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.
Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?
I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?
I read some very practical reasons why photos are not posted in this Forum. But I've also read some outrageous ones that border on complete delusion. Like the posts proclaiming the higher nature of the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship. Posts that show concern for the poor sugar baby that might be outed someday. (Ask Hernando if not posting a picture helped with that). Concern that we might loose access to some pussy that we are paying for. LOL I cannot even keep a straight face while I write this. And find myself rolling on the floor laughing when I read such things.
Am I missing something here? As they say in talk radio: 'I'll take my answer off the air'
SubCmdr out!
EuroInCincy
10-01-12, 22:59
Fellow brothers-in-pussy,
I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.
Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?
SubCmdr outI have had a few meet & greet where it turned out to be GPS, like the one who expected $15, 000 to go gambling, which was a sure triple your $, to the one who sent me an intro email, with typos and grammar expecting $10, 000 / mo for 1- 2 meets / week depending on her schedule.
There were the shorter terms ones, which lasted a few times at $ to $$/visit.
There were the divorced ones who during the M&G pretty much jump the command center and begged to have more tours but they really drained the warp drive, so I used a different star route to navigate to other worlds.
Then there were the ones who were long term, who varied from $/month to even less, and this for frequent meetings.
I feel that once you get rid of the GPS vessels, the ones who are compatible with your warp engine rarely ask for anything more than a friendly hail, a subspace message, a quick trip to the replicator for food and some energy tapped from the warp core, and they last for many many months.
Onwards to explore new worlds. Warp 4
Although I'm not actively "looking" right now, I like to fire up the SA account when I'm bored to see what's new. Found a sexy looking 20-something and added her to my favorites for contact at a later time. As is sometimes the case, she was online and received notification of my action, and she sent me an e-mail through the site with her phone number. I sent her a text, not quite knowing what to expect.
I wasn't expecting anything because I wasn't looking for anything. But she clearly wanted to meet ASAP. She suggested a hotel and asked if I liked toys. When the discussion turned to how "generous" I was, I knew I was dealing with a garden tool with Internet access. Although I had no intention of meeting her at that point, I decided to see just how far she would push it.
Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel. The conversation was a little schizophrenic, but I think she was asking me to load money on a prepaid debit card for her so she could buy gas to drive to my area. I never do this for anyone, let alone anyone I've never met. I suggested we pick another time when she doesn't need money up front. I wasn't surprised when I didn't hear back from her.
Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.
Stay safe,
Joe
EuroInCincy
10-02-12, 09:34
Although I'm not actively "looking" right now,
Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel.
Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.
Stay safe,
JoeIt is always fun to get a request for gas $. Luckily I have my trusted starship onboard computer to calculate how much $ they need for a certain trip, and when my computer tells me that a mere 5 gallons should get them to my planets location, yet they ask for a 50 gallon transfer of currency, it is safe to say steer 180 degree, warp speed 5. The other point which this indicates, if they really need gas $, they are on there last dime and the next request will be. $ for cell phones. $ for rent which is 2 months late. Through the years I found out that the long term ones are the ones who don't ask for anything. But yes it teas sometimes 4. 6 months of galaxy exploration. Meeting many short term landings. BUT it is the long term ones whom make the travel worth it.
Engage
I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.
FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.
She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her. With the territory came a new set of income and expense needs including being 6 hours, 300 miles round trip from home. At some point she returned home to attend a family wedding. They played and he gave her the usual.
The amount of "the usual" was not disclosed.
There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."
This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.
Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are.A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.
A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.A sugar baby would have asked for her expenses for travel to be covered. A garden tool wants to be paid to travel. FeelGoodMD's sugar baby decided to renegotiate the arrangement effectively requesting a increase in sugar amount above and beyond her travel costs. She was the one engaged in intellectual dishonestly. And in the end decided what she really was and what was really important to her.
The good Dr simply gave to her straight no chase. Looked her straight in her face and just told her like is!
SubCmdr Out.
P. S. Don't hate the player hate the game. Our greater society has written the rules, not me.
OK SubCmdr, here's the rate in all but nova area of Va. Escorts charge $200-400 / hr, excluding the GPS Pros. (remember Gov Spitzer at $5000 / hr ). CL and BP girls break it down by 15 minute segments and can charge $50- 150 / session (< hour ). SWs charge $20-50 per blow or quick in and out (so to speak ). The sky is the limit with GPS girls who think their pussy is different from every one else's. We all know that they are pretty much the same. The difference lies in the emotional desires that the SD has in order to get a certain level of attention and personality they are looking for. My SB I totally adored and treated me like a king only asked for $300 / session, which was usually 12 hours at least. I was able to see her twice / week so she banked a serious amount of money from the repeat visits. So she was smart in not being greedy and made a lot more than a GPS who struggled to land a sucker for the big score occasionally. A prior SB was a Nando 1 and got $100 / overnight, but the service was not nearly as reliable or satisfying. Anyone charging by the hour is an out and escort and should be looked at as such. A true SB in my opinion should expect a flat fee for an extended relationship.
A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.
That my man is intellectual honesty!
SubCmdr out!
John G Smith
10-03-12, 20:44
A couple of months ago, I posted that I sent this pot SB some money to move out of a bad situation even though I had never met her. It was a gamble but she was a cute petite little thing and clearly was new at this. Well a couple of weeks after I sent her the money, she just dropped out of contact completely. She stopped responding to txts and emails altogether.
I pretty much wrote off the money I sent her as a loss, but I noticed her profile appeared again on the SA sites, so I decided to send one more email. A wrote a pretty strong email to make her feel a little guilty about disappearing but I was careful not to be too bitter / angry so I wouldn't completely burn the bridge. This time she finally responded and was extremely apologetic. Furthermore she said she was ready to finally meet and start the arrangement (I wasn't asking for this in my email).
I'm obviously cautious but she offered to send some naughty pics / vids of her to convince me she's ready.
If I were to guess, I think she had a sugar daddy or two when she was off the radar. She seems much more comfortable with "putting out" in a SD / SB relationship.
So we'll see how the next week goes, but if it goes well I may bring her in to the stable. She has the body type I like and doesn't live too far away. I'll call her "Petite SB."
And as for the "6/6 SB", I never bothered to get tested (honestly I just didn't have the time). But this week she dropped that requirement and we can get down with covers without me having to take a test. I guess she finally got desperate since I basically refused to see her until that was sorted out. Still, she lives farther away than I like, so we'll see.
Assuming Petite SB isn't trying to scam me again, I might move her to my number one slot. The lesson here is that you never know when the Future's Market can pay off. Just because it doesn't pay off right away, don't burn the bridges. Give yourself the flexibility to keep sending feelers for at least 6 months down the line.
I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.
That my man is intellectual honesty!
SubCmdr out!Not exactly. SubCmdr's girl is being totally honest how things will transpire. Good that SubCmdr is told upfront he will be paying for the flight and some other guy will likely pork her while she is in country and he (the other guy) won't be contributing to the cost of the flight. That's honesty. That's not intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty is all about problem solving.
Consider problem solving in a way that balances all possible solutions. The solution chosen is the best solution using unbiased logic. The deck is not stacked in the thought process that favors one solution over another in other words. An unbiased process is being intellectually honest. Or so I think.
HollywoodGuy
10-04-12, 03:23
Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.
WoodSlinger
10-04-12, 09:29
That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.
Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.
EuroInCincy
10-04-12, 14:23
That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.YES I agree. Most of his posts are like that, I did made a comment once, but then he seems oblivious and just wants to show all here how good he is.
That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.Disagree / Nothing out of line here from HG. This arrangement certainly wouldn't be for everybody but it is certainly SB related and an oddity at that. Enjoyed the read and certainly others will too.
Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.You must be a freakin daredevil HG. You enjoy high-speed chases and you've got one here that appears to be taking corners at very high speeds. How long has this been going on, and more importantly, how long do you think that it can continue before one of them goes off-point BIG time? Just curious. But more power to ya HG and enjoy each and every minute of it. Seems like the only thing that you are missing here is incorporating a 3way; except the risk there might be that they fall for one another and cut ole HG out. All the best in your endeavor here.
John G Smith
10-04-12, 16:49
Yeah HG's post was fine. Honestly anytime any of us reports on a good encounter with a SB it could be considered bragging, so I don't think it's a big deal. Not every report has to be a sob / horror story. We're all in different situations so we may have different experiences with our good encounters.
Anyway, I've always dreamed about having a SB work for me but it just seems waay to risky for me to ever give it serious consideration. I don't like the idea of my sugar life bleeding into my work life if something went wrong. And HG even though you're single, you still have to worry about the possibility of a sexual harassment charge down the line if she turns bitter. So be careful!
Hornytoad1
10-04-12, 17:12
Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.I did enjoy the read but at the same time was thinking I'm glad its not me, Let us know when the "shit hits the fan" Not if but when.
Thanks
One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.
I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. Do people go on tangents that I find uninteresting? They sure do. Do I usually feel the need to comment on the quality of the posts. No!
I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.
SubCmdr out
FeelGoodMd
10-04-12, 18:21
Thank you, GC, for putting so much thought into your comment. I would claim that I've been reflecting on my own reply for the past two days, but in all honesty (intellectual and otherwise) I haven't been on the board since my last post.
Some of what I would have said in reply has already been voiced by SubCmdr, so there's no need to repeat it. I will grant that I could have handled the conversation in a more chivalrous manner, but I ask you to reconsider your implication that I am mean spirited and am not a gentleman. Were this the 18th century I might throw my glove at your feet and challenge you to a duel to uphold my honor, but in our circumstances that is highly impractical and (let's face it) rather childish.
I agree that my answer was a slap in the face. It was not intended primarily to hurt or punish, however, but rather to be a "wake-up call." I do (still) like her immensely, want her to be happy and successful in life, and have never said / texted a cross word to her other than that final message. I would like to think that, once she gets past the hurt, she will recognize that she must have crossed a very important line to have drawn a response so cold and "mean spirited."
Again, thank you for the thoughtful and thought provoking response (and to you, SubCmdr, for providing another well-reasoned perspective).
Dr. Feelgood.
I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.
FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.
She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her.
There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."
This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.
A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.
One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.
I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.
SubCmdr outThere is always knowledge to be gained. The majority of us are playing at a higher level, I believe, and so let us put aside our petty differences and re-commit ourselves to focusing on what makes this thread special. If anyone wants to fight, take that shit outside.
Scott
EuroInCincy
10-04-12, 23:30
Ok so my ATF perfect little sb, got a bit possessive. You heard the story. And during that exploration trip of her. She found one (SD) she wanted toy meet. So I said "go ahead make my day" as you humans like to say.
The closer it came to the day, the less enthused she became, but she did meet him. End of the story was. She did not enjoy herself, but was happy with the amount of sugar she got, it was more for the 4 hours with him than she got from me in total for the last 7 months. This proves my previous quote. An ATF does not have to cost an arms and a leg, perhaps not even a rib.
What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.
But what about getting sick? I met my 18yo HYB (and current favorite) more than a week ago for a movie. We both felt a little under the weather with colds, so we thought a movie was the best way to see each other while avoiding any significant contact. Well, I'm sad to say I lost my self control, and we ended up at a hotel afterward, where there actually was quite a bit of physical contact. Amazing physical contact. Physical contact in all kinds of positions.
Within a couple days, though, she was feeling worse, so much so that she went to the doctor. They ran all kinds of tests, including for strep throat and mono. Now, I'm home from work and not feeling so great.
I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid), but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?
I went to the doc yesterday and was prescribed something to make me feel better while I await my own test results. Keep your fingers crossed for me, gents.
I've been reminded of a valuable lesson here: Sometimes it costs dearly when you lose self control.
Regards,
Joe
EuroInCincy
10-05-12, 10:32
What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.
I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid) , but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?
JoeWhy the need to explain. You come in contact with others don't you?
Best explanation if asked "pffffff hell I wish I knew. I don't want this. Sad face"
WoodSlinger
10-05-12, 11:31
My last post in this thread was a bit callous. I enjoyed reading about HG's escapades, he certainly has way more cajones than I do. What threw me off and made me write that post was the lead in with "Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics." Then telling one incredible story, that most in this thread will never have the opportunity to experience. That 'sounds' like bragging to me. As usual your interpretation may differ.
Gentlemen,
I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and - wait for it - 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.
I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.
Scott
Interesting fact.
How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)? In S. California, seems that there are quite a lot of GPS, so can't count them.
Happy hunting, Scotty!
Gentlemen,
I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and. Wait for it. 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.
I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.
Scott
Interesting fact.
How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)?I don't think it matters, honestly. Let's say that 1/3 of them are suffering from GPS, so roughly 1900 of them. Even if every registered daddy were willing to pay 3K a month, which of course we aren't, that still leaves about 900 babies out in the cold. What this ratio says to me is be patient, stick to your guns in terms of your sugar comfort level, and don't slam the door in any baby's face. They may very well come back and contact you again; there's just no way they all are getting snapped up. Plus, if the babies I talk to are telling the truth, a good portion of those 917 daddies are jerks, creeps, liars and perverts (you know who you are), which is good for us remaining normal ones.
With great power comes great responsibility, however, so be polite.
Scott
CantWinLosin
10-05-12, 17:02
F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.
F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.The same appears to be true in metro Detroit; a lot of the girls haven't logged on in quite a while. Then, there are the girls who create an account, log on for the first couple of days, and then don't log on ever again. I skip them as well.
Still, the numbers definitely are in our favor. Even if it's closer to 3 or 4 to one, the number of sane guys seems to be limited, too. I've had a number of pots tell me horror stories of guys who just seem to be creepy from the first contact. And if a guy passes the e-mail / text test and they have a M&G, I've had pots tell me that they are creepers at the M&G. Just goes to show that if you're reasonably sane, clean, and a gentleman, the world is your oyster.
UPDATE on my sickness issue: No mono for HYB, so I'm in the clear. Thanks for the replies to my earlier post. My concern was that, because my wife works in the medical field, she would realize the risk of anonymous transmission is low. But now I don't have to worry about that.
F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.I created a fake baby profile. On SA, babies can join for free, but their searching abilities are limited to "members near me", apparently. They can read their messages, though, so as an additional bit of info, I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.
For my local brothers, my baby name is Mindi, so don't bother to contact me, you're not my type!
FeelGoodMd
10-05-12, 18:13
F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.CWL (and other interested parties) ,
I created a fake SB profile for Richmond, as Scott did for Chicago. The magic number:
161 Sugar Daddies registered in Richmond. 68 of whom have logged in over the past 30 days. Unfortunately, that closes our gap to about a 3:1 ratio here in RVA (if you apply the 30 day standard) , but still the numbers are in the Daddy's favor.
And don't worry, I made my profile unsearchable to keep my fellow sugar bowlers from wasting their time.
Dr Feelgood
I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.Scott,
Very interesting research and right in my line of thinking when it comes to quantitative data. Could the number of responses be due to the fact your profile is new? I wonder if your contacts will fall off as time goes on? I see the same SB's logging in month after month. Makes me think, either they are not successful or variety is just as important to them as to us. (You have explored that theory in the past)
I've had good response with very simple messages to the local babies. This is straight marketing (Shout Out to Hollywood Guy for this insight). Initial message gets them to read your profile. Your profile generates the response. I have also had great response when I'm traveling. I use a different message. The babies love a traveling SD! I have experimented with setting my profile city in a different one from where I live and then tested the response rate. It dramatically increased for me. I have found there is a geographical difference in quality type and average requested sugar amounts for the Sugar Babies in each area. Guy Woodson is the master of Traveling SD tactics. GW big ups to you man! Got to give you your props there!
SubCmdr Out
EuroInCincy
10-05-12, 23:22
Interesting fact.
How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)? In S. California, seems that there are quite a lot of GPS, so can't count them.
Happy hunting, Scotty!Ok over the years I found out that of the profiles about 50% are desperate, they need rent $, cell $, are behind in bills, have a car that needs to be fixed, they need to move out of their parents house etc.
Then about 20. 25 % have GPS (and yes I met a few of them, and yes after 5- 6 months they still think they will get it)
Then another 25. 20% are realistic.
And then the final 5% are the real ones, who are better than realistic, the ones you can keep on for months, in a few occasions a few years because they just want a 'kind of husband w / o the hassles' a 'kind of be / f w / o the hassles' they don't even need $/visit, they just want some attention, good sex and not pay when you take them out, a dn the occasional flowers, card and small gifts
At least that is what I found in the midwest here.
At the same time there are sd's who pay $500. $1, 000 / visit. I have seen it happen. And yes that sb came back to me and said. 'wow that was nice but I want you, and NO I will never expect that from you"
CantWinLosin
10-05-12, 23:54
I suspected you had done the fake-baby-profile. So I did one, and can report the matching male numbers:
For Richmond VA metro (50-mile radius) :
SBs: 1007 total. 248 "active" (has logged in in the last 30 days)
SDs: 166 total. 77 "active"
So almost half of the SDs are active while only a quarter of the babies are, but there's still a little over 3 currently-active SBs for each active SD. More, this indicates that the turnover rate on SBs is about twice as high for SDs, so if you're patient, a lot more than 3 SBs will pass across your plate.
I also think it's interesting that we're seeing some level of consistency across different metro areas. That makes sense statistically, but it still surprises me a bit...
SA actually claims that there is a 10:1 ratio of F to M but they just calculate that on gross numbers. 30 days is a long time and I actually look at 2 weeks as a viable activity level. What you have to consider is that many of the girls who are not checking their profiles are in relationships with a daddy and are not active until they break up with their SD. So many of them will eventually be back live.
After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.
On SDFM I found a scammer. It brings back the not so fond memories of the Nando 1s. She said that she was available Mon night, but Oh gosh, she suddenly has to work so if I could only send her some money to pay off the replacement. So funny! I'm older and wiser and blew her off.
CantWinLosin
10-06-12, 12:13
Nando, I tend to agree with you on the 2-weeks timeframe, but decided to be a little generous. If we stick with the 2-week timeframe instead, the numbers (as of this morning) change to:
SB: 1013/124.
SD: 168/46.
This skews the "active / active" ratio a little more towards the babies.
I've also noticed a recent trend in the new profiles of younger ladies (under around 25 or so) from my area: more and more are plainly stating something to the effect of "absolutely no sex or intimacy. I just want you to take me out and spend money on me." My gut says these "ultimate GPS" girls aren't finding what they're looking for (I notice one that has been on over a year and has logged on every few days, so she appears to still be looking) but I could be wrong.
Congrats on the AM find. I've never found *anything* but fake profiles and shills there; it's good to hear confirmation that real ladies can be found there.
After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.Tell us more about Ashley Madison, Hernando. Do you use the same strategies you use on SA / SDFM? I've found that site to be full of more fakes that real profiles.
I've seen some odd profiles, but this one is definitely the weirdest. #1205345.
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For my local brothers, my baby name is Mindi, so don't bother to contact me, you're not my type!Mindi with an "I"? Obviously a nando 1!
Strict
John G Smith
10-06-12, 17:24
I did Ashley Madison about a year or two ago and found it a complete waste of time and money. I only ever got ONE legit response and she just wanted to chat with guys online, nothing serious. I also tried Adult Friend Finder and found it a complete waste of time with 100% spam and scammers all trying to get me to pay for their cam shows. It wasn't until I hit the sugar daddy sites that I found some real success. Night and day.
I've also noticed a recent trend in the new profiles of younger ladies (under around 25 or so) from my area: more and more are plainly stating something to the effect of "absolutely no sex or intimacy. I just want you to take me out and spend money on me." My gut says these "ultimate GPS" girls aren't finding what they're looking for (I notice one that has been on over a year and has logged on every few days, so she appears to still be looking) but I could be wrong.Also be careful with girls who list themselves as 18 or 19 on SA. There's a possibility they could be under-aged, especially if they say "no sex". Anytime I'm corresponding with a 18 year-old, I try to do a background check to make sure they really are 18. If I can't dig out enough info, I flat out ask for their Facebook profile. Unlike with escorts, AMPs, and etc, the sugar lifestyle is pretty much risk free from LE. However the exception is you can wind up in very serious trouble if you're careless and end up playing with an under-aged SB.
Anyway yes, despite all the publicity to sugar daddy sites recently, if anything it's only attracted more babies. It' s a good time to be a daddy.
BillyDeeJr
10-06-12, 18:40
Hey all. I found this forum via a google search on A. Maddie. I'm a fellow hobbyist from Charlotte. I have a few post there. I was wondering if the site was legit or not. From reading your forum I mught consider the sd sites as an option. Do they allow you to sign up with a prepaid visa?
SA actually claims that there is a 10:1 ratio of F to M but they just calculate that on gross numbers. 30 days is a long time and I actually look at 2 weeks as a viable activity level. What you have to consider is that many of the girls who are not checking their profiles are in relationships with a daddy and are not active until they break up with their SD. So many of them will eventually be back live.
After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.
On SDFM I found a scammer. It brings back the not so fond memories of the Nando 1s. She said that she was available Mon night, but Oh gosh, she suddenly has to work so if I could only send her some money to pay off the replacement. So funny! I'm older and wiser and blew her off.
Mindi with an "I"? Obviously a nando 1!
StrictIf U send me moneee to get my brakes fixed, I can come to meet U!
No, rully!
RiverCity2011
10-07-12, 10:26
I find that site to be a waste of time and money.
The men outnumber the women 100-1.
New female profiles get 200 emails from men in 24 hours. So, if you are ultra attractive, and willing to share some kind of photo. You might have a chance.
I also feel like someone is creating a ton of fake profiles of hot women. I will not speculate why someone creates all the fake profiles. (too good to be true) My guess is to inflate the activity on the site for membership revewals.
There are some SB's on AM but most profiles seem to be fake. I traded emails with a few SB's on there and they were all using fake photos so I never met anyone. You can just tell when photos are fake.
Hey all. I found this forum via a google search on A. Maddie. I'm a fellow hobbyist from Charlotte. I have a few post there. I was wondering if the site was legit or not. From reading your forum I mught consider the sd sites as an option. Do they allow you to sign up with a prepaid visa?
Wow. A week of not paying attention, and look what happens. Four pages of intercourse. LOL.
I am not judging anyone. I am not attacking anyone. I just expressed an opinion and I'm just trying to understand. I asked a question. Others have answered it. I appreciate that. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE this fucking forum. (pun intended) It has opened my eyes to an entire world of pussy I did not even know existed.And if anything I said was construed as an attack, I'm sorry. It wasn't intended that way. Just clarifying so that my intent wasn't misunderstood.
Ok, I think I get it. Lying to the wife protects the original arrangement.Once again, I suggest that you check your preconceptions at the door. If you don't realize that you have preconceptions, I submit that you might want to reexamine things a bit. (:
My point is there is no reason to claim that pursuit of the babies is a higher calling than picking up street meat.I'm certainly not going to claim that! However, I firmly believe, from experience, that my relationship with her is of much higher quality than what I would get from "street meat", so is deserving of that much more respect, in the form of not doing stupid shjt to fvck it up just for the sake of showing off. And this protection is caution, not guilt. See below.
Just give to me straight no chase. Look me straight in my face and just tell it like it is!She and I have had that conversation a number of times. She knows what she's doing, and so do I.
For what it's worth, I don't consider what we're doing (or what escorts, streetwalkers and other prostitutes do) to be at all immoral, irrespective of what the control-hungry and / or misguided legislators and religious nutjobs would have us believe. In principle, it's no different than what professional sports players and so-called "legitimate" massage therapists do, that is, sell their bodies for entertainment and pleasure. They certainly use different parts of the body, but use of pussy and mouth is no more or less moral than the parts used by football players. If someone thinks there's a moral difference there, that someone is wrong, and is part of the problem. The use of "someone" there is in the indeterminate third person sense, not referring to SubCmdr.
It certainly can be construed to be illegal, even if the sugar flow weren't symmetrical and quid pro quo (which it pretty much is for us) , and would be very socially embarrassing for both of us if it became public, but immoral, bad, evil, sick, disgusting, or any of the other inane adjectives applied by self-righteous pricks who think their morality has somehow attained the status of Law of Nature? No fvcking way.
/z
CantWinLosin
10-07-12, 11:20
I did Ashley Madison about a year or two ago and found it a complete waste of time and money. I only ever got ONE legit response and she just wanted to chat with guys online, nothing serious.Be aware that AM pays shills to lure guys into chatting in their online chat room (for which they charge ridiculous amounts.) If you get a girl on there that wants to chat, try to get her to chat via AIM, Facebook or one of the other common chat platforms. If she only wants to chat in the AM chatrooms, she's a shill that has no interest in anything but separating you from your money.
Zomby,
My Man!
I know of no other place where I can have civil intellectual conversation on this subject.
The problem with the social sciences has always been the difficulty of measuring, defining and observing the actions within society. Your argument was eloquently stated and most appreciated.
I see all the activities of our forum and the entire board for that matter as simply individuals attempting to operate in areas defined by society as deviant. We are simply sharing methods to minimize our consequences while fulfilling our deepest sexual needs that lie outside of tightly defined parameters of our society. The providers may have different needs and desires but they are doing the exact same thing as we are. And there is no room for judgement in either case.
Thank you!
SubCmdr out
Regular readers will recall that my ATF has been serving an indefinite suspension for treating me too much like an ATM. I have no problem with spoiling a girl, but I have to receive something of commensurate value in return. That, unfortunately, has not been the case with ATF for the past few months. So, a month ago, I decided to cease all contact and see what happens.
Almost a month to the day after I stopped communicating with her, she sent me a text. It sounds like her life continues to spiral out of control. She's been sick and was fired from her job at the strip club. (How one is fired from stripping is beyond me.)
Despite her lack of financial prospects, she is hoping to have some cosmetic surgery soon. The plan is for lipo on the legs, thighs, abdomen, and arms, and fat injections in the ass. Let's put aside for a moment that this girl is gorgeous and doesn't need any of this work; she clearly has body image issues.
The real problem here is that she wants to go ahead with this work even though she's out of a job. And she asked me if I wanted to front the money. She'd repay me, she said. The cost? $12, 500.
My response to her: silence. If there was any doubt that all I am to her is dollar signs, then this episode confirmed it. She'd never be able to repay me, and that's beside the point. I'm glad I finally understand that it's time to move on from this one. It was a nice year and a half while it lasted.
AM is tough sledding but I have gotten 3 live ones not counting this Asian. She is busy emailing me and sending increasingly naked pics with her notes. She has a little tummy and nice suckable nipples so I am excited! I will let you know if it is all BS but for now we are on for Friday night. She complains that guys calaim they last a long time but don't. Wait til she gets a load of my chemically enhanced erection that lasts for 3 hours LOL She will be begging for mercy.
The other three were 1) 32 yr drop dead gorgeous girl I met for a drink who didn't like me) : (so sad) 2) a 38 yr old chubster who had obviously old pics up and 3) a 40 yr old so so looking girl who wanted to meet but I didn't. Most I mail do not respond but there are some live ones on there.
I now have 2 more responses from SDFM so we will see how they go. A HCG who emailed back and forth last week has flaked so I wonder if it was my ATF checking my activity out. Fuck her if it was cause she was the one who dumped me when the going got a little tough. (For you therapists out there I'm now progressing from the denial and grief stages of loss to anger. I am some kind of pissed at this girl for bailing on a damn good thing!) I guess resolution will come eventually. The more ass I get the quicker I will heal I suspect.
I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.
Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?
John G Smith
10-09-12, 00:17
I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").
I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.
Now I just need a boat house.
Sorry for the random post.
I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").
I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.
Now I just need a boat house.
Sorry for the random post.Mr. Smith,
I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.
SubCmdr out
John G Smith
10-09-12, 05:31
Mr. Smith,
I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.
SubCmdr outHaha!
Well I'm not a mobster. I can't use a gun to save my life. I can't walk into a club and instantly get the best seat. I have almost zero connections that would be worthwhile to anyone. And my mere presence doesn't command respect and fear from my friends and foes.
But I guess the sugar bowl is an equalizer for all of us, hehe.
CantWinLosin
10-09-12, 08:48
Exchanged msgs with an attractive new lady on SA yesterday... she mentioned learning about the site after seeing a piece on the local TV news about Richmond being a "most promiscuous city". I never watch the local TV stations so I drew the Google gun and sure enough, last week SA published a study in which it ranked the 10 most-promiscuous cities, based on the percentage of SDs on their site reporting that they had at least 7 connections resulting in sex in the last 12 months. I think their measurement method is suspect, but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected, but several cities on the list were pretty surprising. RIC was #9. Birmingham beat Las Vegas? Really? (The most repressed societies are always the most promiscuous. Want proof? Spend a race weekend camped out at Talladega. :))
Unfortunately, this kind of publicity has negative aspects as well. Over the weekend, a new profile appeared of a pretty hot dark-haired young lady holding a DSLR camera... when I winked at her, I got back a reply flaming me that I should be worrying more about paying for my kids' college instead of spending my money on "sex with young girls."
It would *not* surprise me to learn that 5-O is trying to run some sort of sting. Not that they would succeed, but in bible-belt backwaters like this, the city fathers will be incensed that their city is getting such a reputation. Be careful out there, boys and girls...
, but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected,I always knew I loved this city! Though I have to say, I want to go back and check my SA membership numbers again, using the 30-day active approach. There seem to be a lot of babies that come on, log in daily for week or less, then drop off. My guess is that they are processing all the contacts, and when they reappear, it means that they have not found anyone suitable. It might pay off to not jump on the new profiles, but add them to your "Favorites" list so you can keep track, and hit them up when they appear for the second time. My membership is expired, and I am staying off for a while, but is there a brother out there who wants to TOFTT and adopt this approach? Or is someone already playing these tactics?
Enquiring minds want to know.
I can tell you that I am getting follow up hits on my email from babies that bit early, spit the hook, but now seem to be intrigued again.
Scott
FeelGoodMd
10-09-12, 10:49
I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.
Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?
For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.
I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.
What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.
Dr. Feelgood.
I think Chicago is number 1 simply due to the fact that Scott lives there and he single handedly put the Windy City over the top.
WoodSlinger
10-09-12, 12:19
I have a very hot attractive blonde I spent a couple hours with last week. She's a desperate Nando type 1 I think. This text comes in last Thursday.
Hey Hun. Can I see Yu tomorrow or Friday? It's urgent, I've got rent to pay, plus Yu said yud see me this week. I replied back not a good time. Busy.
I let this go all weekend (my time to play is during the weekdays) and got a text last night. Hey. We chatted a bit she really needs help with her rent. I want to see her again. I mean hell, she's smoking hot. 22 yo. 5'5, 115 lbs nice C cups. No kids, super clean and tight pussy, beautiful nipples that get super erect when she climaxes, just wow, wow, wow. She has no job (says she has tried applying as a server everywhere but has no experience) , she has a car and told me she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half the rent and she tells me he has done this recently.
They live in an apt community I am familiar with and this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work, save the hotel expense and I get my needs met. She is only looking to cover her bills which are around $650 a month and told me I can have whatever I want in exchange. I can handle that (and I told her she won't get that all at once) but I have some reservations as most of us might with this type of girl. She is very laid back, down to earth, easy to be with, very open minded. Does not seem strung out on drugs or the dangerous type. She has some experience with being a SB with other guys. Claims to know how to be discrete, since I am very engaged, that is important to me.
I guess I would just like to hear how some of the other contributors here would handle this one. I mean my thoughts are keeping banging her til the next one comes along.
WS out.
EuroInCincy
10-09-12, 13:33
I have a very hot attractive blonde I spent a couple hours with last week. She's a desperate Nando type 1 I think. This text comes in last Thursday.
Told me she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half the rent and she tells me he has done this recently.
They live in an apt community I am familiar with and this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work,
WS out.Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.
1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.
2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.
3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.
When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?
Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage
EuroInCincy
10-09-12, 13:38
Got a wink and reply from a SB on SA. Scanning through the computer memory banks, data was spewed out that she did so on tow past occasions and each time a variant of the same story. Her modeling manager took her $ used and abused her, she is living with mom now and needs help getting an apt etc.
So I am just waiting to what the version is this time 1092233.
Engage of to new star systems
OK Brothers, I had a long chat with my Asian last night. She says she has a "problem". She has an insatiable need for sex and can orgasm for hours, but has not been able to find a guy who is up to the task. Her fantasy is to have two guys at one time, sort of a tag teaam so that when one gets tired the other is ready to step in and continue the stimulation. So I said I would throw it out to the brotherhood and see if anyone out there would be interested in joining for a fuckathon? The topic of multiple guys did not seem to turn her off. She lives in Va Beach but might want to do this elsewhere out of her home base where she is well known. There is no money needed other than securing a hotel room and perhaps wining and dining her. She would need to vet each person involved. I will check her out Friday and if she is not FOS then I will pass the news along.
Woody, I had a Nando 1 drug addict and while the money saved is tempting I would stay away from her daddy's place.
My Asian told me that she gets 100 hits on AM when her profile is active. So it appears that the F:M ratio is waaaay disproportionate for men. I'm lucky to get 1-2 answers
My Asian told me that she gets 100 hits on AM when her profile is active. So it appears that the F:M ratio is waaaay disproportionate for men. I'm lucky to get 1-2 answersWhen I am really working SA, I might send out 30 or more messages a week. The first few days my fake SB profile was active, I got something like 45 messages. They did drop off after two or three days, which is interesting to note. Makes me think there is a group of guys out there just like me, trolling for new babies every day. Still don't know quite what to make of this new intel. Maybe we should ask Mandy to put in her two cents from a Real Baby's perspective, since obviously I'm not going to follow up with any of these guys; although there was this one astronaut who was making 5 million a year and looked an awful lot like Rob Lowe LOL!
Peace,
Mindi
Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.
1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.
2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.
3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.
When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?
Please reroute power to the main brain. EngageGood catch, Euro!
My advice would have been "what do you have to lose, hit it once and quit it if needs be". Never thought of Drunk Dad bursting in with phasers on stun, or worse! Definitely time to seek out other star systems.
May we all live long and prosper!
Got a wink and reply from a SB on SA. Scanning through the computer memory banks, data was spewed out that she did so on tow past occasions and each time a variant of the same story. Her modeling manager took her $ used and abused her, she is living with mom now and needs help getting an apt etc.
So I am just waiting to what the version is this time 1092233.
Engage of to new star systemsEuro,
Images dot google dot com is a daddy's best friend. However it works, just copy and paste your SB's photo into the search bar. This one may be a real person, but I'm guessing not who she tells you she is. Not a wonder, since you already had her pegged as a scammer, but it does cut down on the wasted effort. I do this now as Standard Operating Procedure if the pics look too good to be true, which her's did, at least to me.
Scott
First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?
For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.
I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.
What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.
Dr. Feelgood.I have long ago stopped chasing girls (follow yes) and she was put on the PNG list long ago, you will know here by her email handle LoveGee / LoveGee1. I'm not worried about my email address as it is a hobby email and I'm not married so little chance of it coming back on me (not impossible).
The thing is would you listen to someone out of the blue? While she is on my do not call list I do not want to antagonize her and end up on a list someplace and have to rebuild my persona.
In the end I'll probably get an email address on one of the services I never use and send him a short email but, I wonder will it help or will no good dead go unpunished?
Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.
1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.
2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.
3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.
When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?
Please reroute power to the main brain. EngageFVCK THAT!
1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. (So what?)
2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half. (Which you are willing to provide.)
3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work. (Good thing. Don't want to be plowing daddy's little girl while he's pounding Jack in the kitchen.)
When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor? (Pretty fvcking fast with keys in hand!)
Please keep supplying power to the auxiliary brain and stay engaged.
Dude! Have a plan, show up and pound her into the mattress! Drunk dad ain't coming home from work. And how long you going to spend there anyway? Get in, do the nasty, several times if possible and GTFO.
Remember: If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
Or not.
Strict
The Contrarian
Gentlemen,
I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.
I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).
I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.
I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.
I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.
Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.
HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.
I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).
HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.
There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)
I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.
All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.
Regards,
Joe
AOneFred7734
10-10-12, 19:42
Gentlemen,
I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.
I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).
I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.
I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.
I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.
Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.
HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org Yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.
I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).
HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.
There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)
I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.
All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.
Regards,
JoeI have seen 3 diff, post just to day! About that kind of thing. Is makeing Me rethink all this.
John G Smith
10-11-12, 04:19
Thanks for sharing Joe. It's very sobering to hear. And it's a big kick in the gut to see this happen to one of our brothers.
To be honest, anybody who frequents AMPs, escorts, and etc for any length of time (which is 90% of the people on this site) is going to have encountered someone with HSV at some point and it's pretty much just a coin toss on whether you contract it or not because condoms aren't fully protective of it. I've always assumed every sex worker has herpes because it's just so prevalent and easy to spread.
So the question becomes, can you afford to get herpes in your personal situation. I think what makes Joe's situation thorny is that his wife is still looking to have kids. Despite its negative connotation, herpes is pretty much benign aside from the initial infection period. The only serious health issue with herpes is if a woman becomes pregnant.
I know for my situation, I already have kids, no plans to have more. Giving my wife herpes wouldn't be good, but I've already at various points contemplated divorce. So if the marriage ended, it wouldn't be the end of the world. However I know some SDs / Mongers here are indeed happily married or at the very least looking to maintain their marriage long-term. If that's the case, you should seriously consider reevaluating the risks because herpes is so easy to spread, it's not really a matter of "if" it's "when".
Also for those of us in the Sugar Bowl, BB activities are a common place so our risks for things like this are even higher. What was sobering for me hearing Joe's story is that until this year when I officially got into the sugar bowl, I had never done any BB activities. In all my years of going to AMPs and seeing escorts, I think I got one BBBJ and never BBFS. Yet this year alone in the sugar bowl, I've had BBFS with three different SBs and BBBJ with every SB I got intimate with. The girls I had BBFS were between 18-20 and had very few previous sexual partners. But according to studies this is actually the highest risk group because they're least likely to use any form of protection.
The downside to the Sugar Bowl is that for some of us we get too brazen playing without a helmet. The girls we see just seem "normal" and since they're not blatantly screwing 6-12 guys a day in a hotel or massage parlor, we often forget about the real risks that are still there. I'm definitely guilty of this.
Joe I know you're in a rough spot right now. But you're not the first SD or will you be the last that has HSV-2, and many still play in the sugar bowl. Ethically you may want to limit yourself to covered activities but as mentioned before herpes is extremely widespread that I'd wager the majority of the SDs / SBs who've lived the lifestyle for a while probably have it even if they're not aware of it. Same thing for those that frequent escorts, street-walkers, and AMPs. It's the dirty little secret that rarely gets discussed on this site.
I'm just rambling now but Joe I hope you make it through your situation. It's definitely eye-opening and it has injected some hard bits of reality into this forum.
ILikeHotWomen
10-12-12, 15:01
So I know that a lot of members that post here are from places outside of Richmond. I just set up a fake profile on SA seeing what all was out there and the responses some of these guys send the ladies. Heh Would some of you mind sharing some tips on which sites are the best for Richmond and what has given you the best luck? Feel free to post here or message.
I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).
I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.Joe,
Thanks for sharing, and my commiseration as well.
A question: Did the test confirm HSV2, or are you making that assumption based on the presence of "genital" bumps, rather than facial ones? If you are, that is not indicative. I presume it's the test, but it's worth making sure.
However, I want to point out that you got a wake up call with just cold water, instead of the scalding deluge it could have been. I realize that HSV is no walk in the park, but something like HEP or HIV could have been worse, infinitely so in one case.
I'd also like to offer some hope. If you are lucky, you may not suffer very much at all. In this day and age, HSV, even the genital "2" variety, is largely cosmetic, especially with the medical regimens available today. My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. (:
I'm not trying to say you have nothing to worry about, far from it, especially as regards your marriage, but it may not be the devastatingly horrible thing you might be envisioning right now.
Best wishes,
/z
*** My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. ***/zI saw a report of a similar experience. The first outbreak was very severe. After that the guy occcasionally felt an itch coming on and he would resume the pills for a week. He never knew if the itch was the sign of a forthcoming outbreak. Nonetheless he took the pills for a week and there was no further outbreak. After a year or so he never felt another itch and never took another pill.
Interestingly, he had difficulty getting his Rx renewed. All he had was an itch. The doctor did not want to write an Rx without seeing an outbreak. The guy posted he raised enough Hell in the office he got his Rx renewed.
ILikeHotWomen
10-13-12, 15:32
I would hope that this guy was joking, but I know there are is some weird shit out there. I set up a sb profile to see what kind of messages the girls receive and here was one I had to post:
"I want to experience being the toilet of a white girl. No sex, no drama, no risk to you. I will pay $800 each time I visit you and experience being your toilet. No sex. No friendship or even conversation needed. You can just come by to my hotel and use me as your foot stool and toilet and then leave. Only to return the next time you need to go. I will pay $800 for each such day.
Your brown skinned toilet"
FeelGoodMd
10-14-12, 20:15
I saw a report of a similar experience. The first outbreak was very severe. After that the guy occcasionally felt an itch coming on and he would resume the pills for a week. He never knew if the itch was the sign of a forthcoming outbreak. Nonetheless he took the pills for a week and there was no further outbreak. After a year or so he never felt another itch and never took another pill.
Interestingly, he had difficulty getting his Rx renewed. All he had was an itch. The doctor did not want to write an Rx without seeing an outbreak. The guy posted he raised enough Hell in the office he got his Rx renewed.What you read is pretty typical. The worst outbreak is always the initial one, and someone can have a "outbreak" (with an increased risk of infecting others) without any symptoms (even a "mild itching"). Condoms help during outbreaks, but may not always cover the infectious sites.
The doctor you referenced was an idiot, for that very reason. If anyone has had an HSV infection (1 or 2) it should be a "lifetime ticket" to his / her antiviral of choice.
Be careful, everyone. Remember that this will NEVER be a 100% safe hobby.
Dr. Feelgood
Well, good news / bad news.
I trucked two hours at 8 pm to M&G this girl at a hotel bar. She was coughing and relatively inscrutable, but attractive enough. We had a drink and chatted. Or at least I chattered and she coughed. She obviously wasn't feeling it that night and I thought it was a bust because she sent me naked pictures and a BJ pic. When I got home she had emailed me and wanted to see me again. When we parted I made it clear that if we met again it would be in the hotel room so we shall see. I told her we had at least 3 or 4 candidates for her gang bang so she just smiled. We'll see if she is all talk or not.
SDFM: I have a M&G scheduled tomorrow night and if the price is right I think it could be good. She was in a 2 year SD relationship so she wants the long term thing that I do. She is mid 20s and very hot looking in a girl next door way.
ATF : I continue to beat my head against the wall trying to lure her back. I'm beginning to lose hope but I will keep trying until she gets a restraining order LOL. I text or email her every week or so so I wouldn't call it harassment. I hope she doesn't.
My apt has all kinds of hot babes but I need to figure out how to meet them. Everybody keeps pretty much to themselves there.
Tonight I have a date with one of my 2 fav escorts to at least get the pumps drained until I can line up a regular.
Member #4183
10-16-12, 16:46
Years of watching this thread, but never really thought about getting in because I don't trust pay sites and therefore never tried SA or SD4Me or any of the other sites. However, I did post an ad on CL that was heavily implying the sort of arrangement I was looking for.
2 ladies answered. One was a lady in her mid 40s, blonde, nice rack, killer bod. Definitely not a pro. The other was likely a pro, much younger, who was looking to move to another series.
In short order both ladies proved their worth and had my toes tapping in a minimum amount of time. Both met me at my "home", where small take gave way to light kissing which graduated to heavy kissing and soon we'd retired to the bedroom. I think the older of the two is probably just looking for a fun distraction from dealing with her miserable ex. We do a good bit of commiserating about our past and present circumstances. We also do a good deal of kissing and touching. Lots more fun than the classic pay for play scenario. The whole thing has more the feel of an affair, but with the financial aspect to keep it in perspective. To date I've never gotten texts from her at inopportune moments.
The younger gal is more into the sex and $ aspect and feels very much like straight pay for play. As a result, times with her are more regimented and mechanical. Given my choices, I don't call her much unless the older gal is out of town. We it not for the younger gal having the sweetest pussy I've ever seen, I would probably never call her. LOL.
Both claim to be unable to have children but I'm keeping the helmet. I find that most women over a certain age who already have a couple kids generally don't want anymore and have usually had some sort of procedure to make sure it doesn't happen but it's not worth risking an 18+ year commitment, either.
Anyway, I'll keep more up to date on this thread and have more to offer as time goes on.
Later.
DB27
AOneFred7734
10-16-12, 18:02
Years of watching this thread, but never really thought about getting in because I don't trust pay sites and therefore never tried SA or SD4Me or any of the other sites. However, I did post an ad on CL that was heavily implying the sort of arrangement I was looking for.
2 ladies answered. One was a lady in her mid 40s, blonde, nice rack, killer bod. Definitely not a pro. The other was likely a pro, much younger, who was looking to move to another series.
In short order both ladies proved their worth and had my toes tapping in a minimum amount of time. Both met me at my "home", where small take gave way to light kissing which graduated to heavy kissing and soon we'd retired to the bedroom. I think the older of the two is probably just looking for a fun distraction from dealing with her miserable ex. We do a good bit of commiserating about our past and present circumstances. We also do a good deal of kissing and touching. Lots more fun than the classic pay for play scenario. The whole thing has more the feel of an affair, but with the financial aspect to keep it in perspective. To date I've never gotten texts from her at inopportune moments.
The younger gal is more into the sex and $ aspect and feels very much like straight pay for play. As a result, times with her are more regimented and mechanical. Given my choices, I don't call her much unless the older gal is out of town. We it not for the younger gal having the sweetest pussy I've ever seen, I would probably never call her. LOL.
Both claim to be unable to have children but I'm keeping the helmet. I find that most women over a certain age who already have a couple kids generally don't want anymore and have usually had some sort of procedure to make sure it doesn't happen but it's not worth risking an 18+ year commitment, either.
Anyway, I'll keep more up to date on this thread and have more to offer as time goes on.
Later.
DB27My gun got blanks in it but still play safe.
Dodge,
Let me be the first to welcome you to the joys, frustrations, rewards and heartache of The Bowl. If you have not already dones so, I would urge you to go back to the very beginning of this most excellent thread and read it forward. Not only will you find a treasure trove of information here, hard-won on the front lines, but you will also begin to understand the effort and dedication it takes to be a successful, or at least marginally successful SD. There are many approaches, and many points of view; take what you like and leave the rest. Unlike any other thread on this site, at least that I am aware of, you will find the brethren to be polite, helpful, extremely supportive and willing to share, and pretty fuckin' literate. This is some of the best reading out there, in my opinion.
Feel free to PM any one of us, and be aware that we have a Sister In Sugar, (SIS?) who posts here as well, but she's totally cool, so don't feel restrained in any way.
Good luck with your new babies. I'm wondering if your young baby might start to lose her appeal the more into the non-pro scene you get. It really is, as you say, like an affair, especially if you can settle into something long-term. At some point, you might want to consider one of the SD sites like SA or SD4me instead of BP. In my area, the only responses I get are from pros or Russian dudes trying to get me to sign up for whatever that fake "verification" site is. Read back for opinions on all of the above.
Again, welcome, keep up the good work, always wear your helmet, and don't forget to write.
Scott
Well, I've forgotten how much work this hobby is! I have been seriously spoiled by my ATF who friggin' deserted me in my finest hour. They are all fickle and skittish and are apt to bolt at the slightest sign of trouble. It is still unreal to me that as close as we were (or seemed to be) she totally cut off all contact in the blink of an eye. It just showed me that she was into the $$ and ease of the thing and not truly "in love " as I convinced myself that she was.
OK, so 2 M&Gs and no pussy.
The Asian I still feel that she is righteous and will put out this coming week when I see her. Score no $ but Hotel costs.
Tonight I met a pretty girl off SDFM who showed up for dinner and drinks and asked for a good faith deposit with a promise to meet this Sunday. Did I get scammed? Time will only tell. Shs is 25 lbs heavier than her pics so a little disappointing, but lovely rack and worthy of a taste.
Bros,
After on SA for 3 weeks or so, I got 7 M&Gs, and scored 2 SBs. One SB was in adult film industry for a while (27 hot blonde) , and another was an 18 black.
For 27 yrs old hot blonde, the experience was pretty good. Until. While she was BBBJ, I was saying "Want to come in your mouth". She responded w/"Not with $$.5". I completely lost my mood, and quickly done w / it, and get the hell out of there. She contacted me back, and I told her I am not interested. She is not that cheap, and I don't need such attitude while I can get a better service (and hot blonde) going w / Pro.
For 18 yrs old black, the experience was pretty good (again) until. After done w / the 1st round (deadfish experience) , she was dressing up in a lighting speed. And started playing with her phone. Although she is pretty cheap, is not fun. I expressed my frustration with her. She texted me back saying that she will make it up next time. I told her that I expect that she has passion and MSOG is expected. She responded back w/$$$$. I ignored her afterwards.
So far, all of the pots I M&G with are all about $, and not into real SB / SD experience. One pot was telling me,"I don't expect to have sex with you, and I expect each date to have $$$".
Still trying, but slow down quite a bit as Sugar Bowl is time consuming and the return is not great. (part of the fun). Pro is much easier
Dog, I don't remember reading where you are from, but this SD hobby can be especially trying some time here in Richmond. I don't know if some of the other locations around the country are better or worse, but around here it seems like a high percentage of SBs on the site are pro, and at the other end, a high percentage want a relationship without sex. I think most SD expectations are pretty straight forward, but the SB expectations of an arrangement are all over the board. I find myself wasting a lot of time with M&Gs, only to find that the POT is on the site just to collect some spending money with no intent of ever going to the FC.
Just recently, I had a M&G with a 20 YO AA POT that was very beautiful VCU student with a great head on her shoulders. Very smart and very good conversationalist. When it got down to a discussion about physical contact, she said she was OK with some nudity and dry massage, but could never no FS or oral because she was saving herself for marriage. I respect that decision, but WTF is she doing on the SA site? I think we should start sharing some of these profile numbers on this forum just to allow forum members to save some screening time (not to mention money). This is a beautiful young lady and I have nothing against her, just that I wasted time and money on another dead end. For those that want to save the time, she is profile # 1215794 on the site. If you want a beautiful date with good conversation, give her a try. Of course as always. YMMV.
HS.
Bros,
After on SA for 3 weeks or so, I got 7 M&Gs, and scored 2 SBs. One SB was in adult film industry for a while (27 hot blonde) , and another was an 18 black.
For 27 yrs old hot blonde, the experience was pretty good. Until. While she was BBBJ, I was saying "Want to come in your mouth". She responded w/"Not with $$.5". I completely lost my mood, and quickly done w / it, and get the hell out of there. She contacted me back, and I told her I am not interested. She is not that cheap, and I don't need such attitude while I can get a better service (and hot blonde) going w / Pro.
For 18 yrs old black, the experience was pretty good (again) until. After done w / the 1st round (deadfish experience) , she was dressing up in a lighting speed. And started playing with her phone. Although she is pretty cheap, is not fun. I expressed my frustration with her. She texted me back saying that she will make it up next time. I told her that I expect that she has passion and MSOG is expected. She responded back w/$$$$. I ignored her afterwards.
So far, all of the pots I M&G with are all about $, and not into real SB / SD experience. One pot was telling me,"I don't expect to have sex with you, and I expect each date to have $$$".
Still trying, but slow down quite a bit as Sugar Bowl is time consuming and the return is not great. (part of the fun). Pro is much easier
CantWinLosin
10-18-12, 08:28
Having been burned by several of these "no sex" types, I've learned to read the signs a bit.
Lately, any girl under 25 or so seems to be a candidate; the word seems to have gotten out on the areas where young women congregate that they can find men willing to pay them just to be arm candy. Any girl that talks about "just having fun" is somewhat suspect - a lot of these youngsters define "fun" as clubbing / dancing / out-on-the-town, and don't grasp that (at least here) there's generally more stigma than benefit in a 50-something guy being seen by his peers in public with a girl half his age. But the #1 tell with this type seems to be when they say something to the affect of,"I'm brand new at this and don't really know what to expect." One girl admitted to me that she had read on a SB board that such a line was a safe way to lead into a non-sexual connection, and their attitude seems to be that at a minimum they get a free meal out of it so it's no skin off their nose. A couple have said things like,"any relationship takes time to get to intimacy!" (to which I remind them that this is *not* a relationship, it's an arrangement. We're seeking one thing, and sugar is a shortcut past the time, work and drama of getting to that one thing; if they're not fully on board with that, they have no business in the sugar bowl.) And while almost all are young, not all are; I had one mid-40's lady give me that dance.
When they start the "I'm seeking something non-sexual" line, I've learned to tell them politely but directly that they don't grasp how this works, they're wasting my and every other SD's time and to find some other way to try to make money. They seldom seem to get the hint, but let's face it. There's a certain level of selfishness in everyone who does this on both sides of the sexual divide, so it's to be expected.
Here's a few SA member #'s that I've personally confirmed of that type:
1213926
1209679
1198801
1187973
1132844
Hsrams,
Thanks! I am in San Diego, CA. Definitely a lot of Pros, but I was able to filter them out via several emails (Thanks for SubCmdr's mentorship!) Definitely a large variety expectations from SB.
Got a 37 Fat (her tummy sticks out more than her boobs). Asked for 3-5k / mth. WTF. Tons of hot pros are better than such pot.
Agreed about sharing some of the SA. Here are SA# I would avoid (either scam for a meal or no-sex or no-show) :
1209905.
1158310.
1189420.
1073424.
1190716.
1201777.
As always YMMV.
Dog, I don't remember reading where you are from, but this SD hobby can be especially trying some time here in Richmond. I don't know if some of the other locations around the country are better or worse, but around here it seems like a high percentage of SBs on the site are pro, and at the other end, a high percentage want a relationship without sex. I think most SD expectations are pretty straight forward, but the SB expectations of an arrangement are all over the board. I find myself wasting a lot of time with M&Gs, only to find that the POT is on the site just to collect some spending money with no intent of ever going to the FC.
Just recently, I had a M&G with a 20 YO AA POT that was very beautiful VCU student with a great head on her shoulders. Very smart and very good conversationalist. When it got down to a discussion about physical contact, she said she was OK with some nudity and dry massage, but could never no FS or oral because she was saving herself for marriage. I respect that decision, but WTF is she doing on the SA site? I think we should start sharing some of these profile numbers on this forum just to allow forum members to save some screening time (not to mention money). This is a beautiful young lady and I have nothing against her, just that I wasted time and money on another dead end. For those that want to save the time, she is profile # 1215794 on the site. If you want a beautiful date with good conversation, give her a try. Of course as always. YMMV.
HS.
I have run SB's on both coasts and down south. I have never lost more than drive & meet time along with the cost of a coffee or a drink with a pot SB. I tell all my pot SB's first meeting is over coffee or drinks. I loose a lot right there. That screens out the wannabes and the ones with GPS. In addition, I make them come to me. They must be willing to invest at least some time and energy into the arrangement. If they need me to pick them up then we are going straight to the FC. I've only had one pot SB come to the FC and then not want to put out. I sent her on her way with no sugar. I have been in the FC with a SB. We were both naked and she starts giving me restrictions and I'm not feeling it and have got up and left. No sugar. (Yes, she called me back and asked me to give her another chance)
Most SB's are looking for money.
Some are looking for the adventure.
Some are looking for sex.
A very small percentage are looking for a relationship.
All questions about what is expected is met with the response "We are both adults here. And I am looking for adult companionship." Straight up! You don't have to say it. The implication that the arrangement involves intimacy and without intimacy there is no sugar. If they need time to develop intimacy tell them to get on a regular dating site. If you don't give them anything useful up front (like a nice dinner out) then the M & G becomes what is should be: A job interview. Or you can look at it another way: It is the pot SB's job to convince you their pussy is the pussy for you. As a SD you have limited time and sugar. I do not allow fake SB's to waste my time or my sugar.
I'm the bank. They want a loan. All loans require collateral. Their pussy is just a invitation for me to return to make another loan. If they don't keep the banker happy then their line of credit is cut off.
As always, these methods work for me. They may not work for everyone. But I stepped in to the sugar bowl Jan 2012 knowing nothing. Everything I have learned about the Sugar Bowl has come from what I have read and what fellow forum members have taught me. I then crafted the methods I now use from my actual experiences and modified them to get what I am seeking.
SubCmdr out.
P. S. I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade.
Thank you guys for the no go list. I sorted through them and the verbiage is amusing to say the least. It makes us realize how much time is wasted with girls who will never be a viable candidate for the FC. Most of those girls are pretty attractive and its tough to be disappointed thinking that they are pots.
" I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade." Commander, you could be keel hauled for this ill advised move! Be prepared for heart break. Just ask Scotty and me about that. If you think girls are the only ones who get all emotional about an affair just look within these walls.
Tonight I'm going for a sure thing. My ATF escort is popping over for a little polishing of the underused apple. Yayy me! I'm thinking it might be worth the freight.
John G Smith
10-18-12, 21:56
I have very similar screening to Subcmdr's. In fact I take it a step further, because my schedule and time is so limited, I don't even bother with a M&G with a pot SB unless she's already indicated she knows the real deal of a "mutual" beneficial arrangement. I don't believe in giving these girls free meals unless there's some actual potential. So over email / txt, I usually somewhere work it into the conversation that I need to mostly meet "behind closed doors". This tells the girl that we won't be clubbing around town or be activity buddies."No-sex" SBs usually ask,"what exactly would we be doing?" If they have to ask this, then usually it's a bad sign. However if the girl is okay with the idea of "Behind Closed Doors" and being "discreet", then usually she's down for the FC. Then the next step is determining whether if she has GPS or not. I generally ask if she's working, does she live at home, and etc. Then I might ask what bills she's looking for help with. I sometimes may make an offer at that point. She either accepts or rejects the offer, but it's over txt / email so I'm not out any money or time with a pointless M&G.
I recommend more of my brothers do more of your screening over txt / email. Let's stop giving free meals to girls who have a warped sense of what a "mutual beneficial arrangement" is. These girls need to understand that "arm candy" is someone who is very attractive and maybe just 7-12 years younger than us. Walking around with a girl who is 20-30 years younger than us, isn't "arm candy" that's basically walking around with our daughters. We're not going to pay 2-3k per month to do that. So let's just do M&G with pot SBs that already know what an "arrangement" means and leave the other girls at home alone broke and hungry. Maybe once when no SD will meet them for a M&G, they'll finally understand what the site is for. They'll either start playing by the rules of the Sugar Bowl or go back to Match. Com.
Having said all of that, YMMV most definitely. I'd be a little wary of ignoring a pot SB completely because someone here posts their profile I'd. Sometimes a girl may be "no-sex" with one SD but will be willing to go to the FC with another. Your game, your physical appearance / hygiene, and your allowance offer can all play a part if a SB is willing to be intimate with you. Remember we're also being evaluated, and some SBs may make the determination they may only be willing to be your arm candy because you didn't present yourself well. In other cases, if they click well with you, they'll be willing to be intimate and accept a more realistic allowance. I know this is the case because I've had several SBs tell me they do this and I've experienced it first hand.
So keep that in mind. If you've done your pre-screening through txt / email and she's given indications that she might be down for "behind closed doors" activities, then it's really up to you to seal the deal. And even in the pre-screening / initial txt / email conversations, remember to be a gentleman. How you communicate initially can significantly can affect the mileage you can get.
Dude you are funny as hell. Good job in detailing the rules. We need someone like you in the west coast as the rules you describe may not work in the SB capital of the world that is Los Angeles. I will have to read your posts to get better at the game as I am not in the SB yet but I am a 1-year graduate of the CL non-pro game. My observation is that the rules and best practices that you describe are similar to those in the nonpro game but with SBs, the stakes are higher the players are a lot more savvy.
I have run SB's on both coasts and down south. I have never lost more than drive & meet time along with the cost of a coffee or a drink with a pot SB. I tell all my pot SB's first meeting is over coffee or drinks. I loose a lot right there. That screens out the wannabes and the ones with GPS. In addition, I make them come to me. They must be willing to invest at least some time and energy into the arrangement. If they need me to pick them up then we are going straight to the FC. I've only had one pot SB come to the FC and then not want to put out. I sent her on her way with no sugar. I have been in the FC with a SB. We were both naked and she starts giving me restrictions and I'm not feeling it and have got up and left. No sugar. (Yes, she called me back and asked me to give her another chance)
P. S. I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade.
All questions about what is expected is met with the response "We are both adults here. And I am looking for adult companionship." Straight up! You don't have to say it. The implication that the arrangement involves intimacy and without intimacy there is no sugar. If they need time to develop intimacy tell them to get on a regular dating site. If you don't give them anything useful up front (like a nice dinner out) then the M & G becomes what is should be: A job interview. Or you can look at it another way: It is the pot SB's job to convince you their pussy is the pussy for you. As a SD you have limited time and sugar. I do not allow fake SB's to waste my time or my sugar.
I'm the bank. They want a loan. All loans require collateral. Their pussy is just a invitation for me to return to make another loan. If they don't keep the banker happy then their line of credit is cut off.This. I cannot agree more with the Commander. They are interviewing for a position, period. And they should be made aware of that and proceed accordingly. I do not and will not pay someone to interview them. If they are looking for payment at the first M&G, beyond a drink or coffee, what does that say for how any arrangement would be handled? And all of our time is valuable and in short supply, so, don't give me that excuse. Would she say that to the bank if she were getting a car loan? Highly doubt it. Now, this doesn't mean one should not conduct themselves like a gentleman. Not at all. But when the talk turns to "payment by the minute", I immediately give the "Good luck" and she is kicked into the heap. If she changes her mind later, we can talk. But I move on immediately.
Having said all of that, YMMV most definitely. I'd be a little wary of ignoring a pot SB completely because someone here posts their profile I'd. Sometimes a girl may be "no-sex" with one SD but will be willing to go to the FC with another. Your game, your physical appearance / hygiene, and your allowance offer can all play a part if a SB is willing to be intimate with you. Remember we're also being evaluated, and some SBs may make the determination they may only be willing to be your arm candy because you didn't present yourself well. In other cases, if they click well with you, they'll be willing to be intimate and accept a more realistic allowance. I know this is the case because I've had several SBs tell me they do this and I've experienced it first hand.I agree with this but suggest taking it a step further. Just because something didn't work out is one thing. Let the next guy give it a shot. It's the scams, flakes, no-shows and total train wrecks that we should post, in my somewhat humble opinion. And then there is this:
1187973.
Wow. Honestly, would any in the brotherhood want to get wrapped up in this? Lives in BF Virginia, is at least 50 (listed 43, so, add at least 8) , you ain't getting laid because she's not a "WH@RE"", a total nando-1 with stretch marks and comes across as a total cvnt in her post! It would be like paying by the minute to be with my ex-wife. *shudder*
SubCmdr out.
P. S. I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade.You poor bastard. May the god of Sugar have mercy on your soul.
Stay safe.
Strict
P. S. I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade.Sub,
As I see it, you have two choices at this point - pull back and hope to avoid heartache down the line, but possibly at the expense of some really fantastic times, or damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! As one who knows, the pain is intense when the end finally comes, but it does diminish with time. An old heart breaks into more pieces than a younger one, apparently, but it can still be mended.
As has been said, may the god of the Sugar Bowl have mercy.
Scott
CantWinLosin
10-19-12, 13:05
And then there is this:
1187973.LOL! I talked to this one. Typical redneck princess, thinks her sh! T is rainbow colored and her puss made of gold. She's been on the site for at least 6 months, and admits in her profile she's met only one "loser". My guess is that she's too stupid to figure out why she's getting no interest.
ILikeHotWomen
10-19-12, 16:25
Did these "babies" have the same profiles before you met up with them? All the "friendship" first, but I still want cash sounds like they are trying to tease and get paid, which I have to admit is smart on their part in getting more $$ out of people. It does seem like a lot of them give the impression that you are going to have to pay awhile first before you get anything. The 43 yr old profile is especially funny, and I doubt she will get much response to such an ad. I don't know what she is thinking and maybe she could have gotten away with a profile like that 20 yrs ago, but I really doubt it now. As for the sb profile I have for entertainment / educational purposes, I have now had about 40 emails, mostly from married types, and nothing out of the expected except for the one I posted earlier.
Having been burned by several of these "no sex" types, I've learned to read the signs a bit.
Lately, any girl under 25 or so seems to be a candidate; the word seems to have gotten out on the areas where young women congregate that they can find men willing to pay them just to be arm candy. Any girl that talks about "just having fun" is somewhat suspect. A lot of these youngsters define "fun" as clubbing / dancing / out-on-the-town, and don't grasp that (at least here) there's generally more stigma than benefit in a 50-something guy being seen by his peers in public with a girl half his age. But the #1 tell with this type seems to be when they say something to the affect of,"I'm brand new at this and don't really know what to expect." One girl admitted to me that she had read on a SB board that such a line was a safe way to lead into a non-sexual connection, and their attitude seems to be that at a minimum they get a free meal out of it so it's no skin off their nose. A couple have said things like,"any relationship takes time to get to intimacy!" (to which I remind them that this is *not* a relationship, it's an arrangement. We're seeking one thing, and sugar is a shortcut past the time, work and drama of getting to that one thing; if they're not fully on board with that, they have no business in the sugar bowl.) And while almost all are young, not all are; I had one mid-40's lady give me that dance.
When they start the "I'm seeking something non-sexual" line, I've learned to tell them politely but directly that they don't grasp how this works, they're wasting my and every other SD's time and to find some other way to try to make money. They seldom seem to get the hint, but let's face it. There's a certain level of selfishness in everyone who does this on both sides of the sexual divide, so it's to be expected.
Here's a few SA member #'s that I've personally confirmed of that type:
1213926.
1209679.
1198801.
1187973.
1132844
Woow. 40+ GPS.
I experienced 3 40+ GPS. Not sure what they are thinking. One of them requested me to provide my work information before M&G because she does not feel safe.
Bear in mind that these comments are from one who's experience in this is limited to one person, albeit over a longer period of time. So take that for what it's worth.
When they start the "I'm seeking something non-sexual" line, I've learned to tell them politely but directly that they don't grasp how this works, they're wasting my and every other SD's time and to find some other way to try to make money. They seldom seem to get the hint, but let's face it. There's a certain level of selfishness in everyone who does this on both sides of the sexual divide, so it's to be expected.I don't think it's completely fair to say that everyone's time is wasted. It absolutely is a waste of your time, and would be of mine if I was yet in search mode on this one. However, a compensated non-sexual relationship is certainly a legitimate goal, and there are guys out there who want exactly that, however ludicrous most, if not all, the posters on this particular forum would find such a thing.
SubCmdr has some good guidelines in his response to this one; if the significant sugar doesn't flow until her sugar flows, it's less likely that these "platonic" types will take you for more than, as he suggests, coffee or drinks.
I do suspect, though not of experience in the Sugar Bowl, that M&Gs are, at some stage, a necessary component of verifying a POT's intentions with any certainty. Others might feel differently, I believe John G Smith does, but since what most of us want is essentially illegal in most places in this country, setting forth conditions in email, text, or even over the phone seems like a somewhat less than prudent course of action. Hell, even after all this time, my SB and I don't mention sex or money in our texts, though we do sometimes do some sexy talk on the phone. In my case, this is a holdover from dealing with strippers, but I think it applies in any area where you're talking about borderline, if not outright, illegal stuff. You just don't talk except face to face, and often, after both are already naked. (:
/z
P. S. I have broken my own rules and become E involved with my ATF. I will now stand and take my grade.I don't think it's possible to avoid this over the long haul. Human males seem to be hardwired to morph sexual attraction into a certain affection, at the very least, over time. It's not something over which you can exert much in the way of conscious control. The best you can do is be careful about paying attention to the signs that it's happening.
After three years, I'm not even going to pretend that there's not a fairly significant degree of affection on my part for my SB. Is it love? If anyone has ever successfully defined that emotion, let me know. I'm sure some would call it that. I'm certainly not going to leave my wife for her, but there's quite a bit else I would do.
As for the other direction, I'm sure there's some, but she doesn't let it get in her way. (: Women don't seem to suffer from this problem to the same degree as men. (:
Though I'd be interested in hearing what the resident sugar baby has to offer on that issue.
/z
I don't think it's completely fair to say that everyone's time is wasted. It absolutely is a waste of your time, and would be of mine if I was yet in search mode on this one. However, a compensated non-sexual relationship is certainly a legitimate goal, and there is a guy out there who wants exactly that, however ludicrous most, if not all, the posters on this particular forum would find such a thing.I fixed that for you. A legitimate goal? Sure. A realistic goal? Not so much. I would classify this with finding Bigfoot:"We are pretty sure he's real because we've read about him on the internet". These POTs are lazy and looking to be paid for hanging around and breathing, nothing more. And isn't "a compensated non-sexual relationship" called marriage?
I do suspect, though not of experience in the Sugar Bowl, that M&Gs are, at some stage, a necessary component of verifying a POT's intentions with any certainty. Others might feel differently, I believe John G Smith does, but since what most of us want is essentially illegal in most places in this country, setting forth conditions in email, text, or even over the phone seems like a somewhat less than prudent course of action. Hell, even after all this time, my SB and I don't mention sex or money in our texts, though we do sometimes do some sexy talk on the phone. In my case, this is a holdover from dealing with strippers, but I think it applies in any area where you're talking about borderline, if not outright, illegal stuff. You just don't talk except face to face, and often, after both are already naked. (:Verifying a POT's intentions and looks! How often has someone reported on the forum that the potential sb shows up 20 lbs heavier or 10 years older that the pic's she sends? The small blond 19 yo country girl turns out to be the chunky. 27 yo black haired goth."I just haven't updated my pic's lately." IMO, one can only go so far with text, email and phone calls. M&G's have there place. I personally want a face-to-face confirmation before moving forward and if all it costs me is the price of a drink or coffee, small price to pay. And who wants to be front page news when LE decides that this is the next big crime wave they must stop. Especially during the election season.
The 43 yr old profile is especially funny, and I doubt she will get much response to such an ad. I don't know what she is thinking and maybe she could have gotten away with a profile like that 20 yrs ago, but I really doubt it now.I was around 20 yrs ago. That ad won't work now, wouldn't have work then and would never work! Jesus would have thought she was a total cvnt!
Stay Safe.
Strict
'you're talking about borderline, if not outright, illegal stuff. you just don't talk except face to face, and often, after both are already naked. (:'
zomby brought up a good point that frequently is the elephant in the room. those of us have enjoyed the escort side have overtly flirted with danger risking fame, fortune, and reputation in the event of a sting. one of the many things i like about sd life is the relative safety from le attention. many of our membership have suggested ways to couch the need we have for sex in return for sugar."intimate time together " tops the list, so something needs to be said ahead of time to serve notice to the interviewee that we mean business so that we don't waste time and energy. le would have to be motivated to set up a sting to catch sugar daddies in action and i don't see this being on the radar. they seem to sting high volume pros like sws or escorts in a hotel room where multiple johns can be netted at one time. we do need to be aware of the **** sting which le will pursue one john. i'm sure none of us would knowingly pursue an admitted **** girl but i think many of the 18 to 21 yr olds could be lying about their age to get in the game. so we should check ids in any iffy situation.
sa i browsed sa in dc and there are boat loads of gps girls. does anyone know of guys who pay $5000 plus? i'm working a 19 yr old now who wants $600 / visit and i had to give her a lecture. she is just an escort unfortunately because she is really cute. i told her to be an escort, get a website and charge $250 a pop and she could probably make 2000 / day. but don't pretend to be a sb.
Hercules78
10-20-12, 12:07
I have been reading this forum, joined the site and already had 2 back at my apartment. Both 25 years and model quality. Damage was $$ and $$$ for each. Vey hot women, both gave bbbjcimws and spent 4-5 hrs. I'm really happy with the progress so far. Have two dates lined up today.
I fixed that for you. A legitimate goal? Sure. A realistic goal? Not so much. I would classify this with finding Bigfoot:"We are pretty sure he's real because we've read about him on the internet". These POTs are lazy and looking to be paid for hanging around and breathing, nothing more. And isn't "a compensated non-sexual relationship" called marriage?I think you're overestimating the degree of willingness to strive for as much as they can get among those in that segment of the male population that do this sort of thing. Sure, most may hope for more than arm-candy, but many of them don't have the confidence, or risk tolerance, to pursue more. I don't want to harp on strip clubs, but I've watched a lot of customers in those clubs pay a lot of money to do nothing but sit and talk with these women, including women who I know from direct experience are willing to do a lot more than talk. These same men will often either become upset at the suggestion that their favorite girl is a thinly disguised prostitute, or be unwilling to take the next step in availing themselves of those services for a number of reasons, whether that be fear of spousal reprisal, contracting disease, law enforcement, social stigmata, etc.
The set of men who go to strip clubs for sex is not, in my experience, very representative of the set of men who go to strip clubs regularly. It seems well within the realm of possibility, not far-fetched at all, that the same factor applies to sugar daddies.
/z
HollywoodGuy
10-20-12, 14:03
After having interviewed hundreds of girls on the sugar daddy sites. All the girls agree on one thing. The direct approach is always best. Tell the girl exactly what it is you are looking for and exactly how much you are willing to pay. I get turned down a lot as I am on a tight budget. But after years of doing this I also have a few regulars and see about one random girl a week.
Most girls on a sugar daddy site don't really know what they want other than they want to have good chemistry for what ever it is they consider fair compensation. And this is where really talking to a lot of girls pays off. On the one extreme you have average looking girls asking for way too much. And on the other you have beautiful looking girls willing to take far less if you can show them a good time in bed, show some patience and understanding, and can offer some good conversation and advice.
There is also a contingent of girls under 25 that only want men over 50. Sometimes its more of a sexual fantasy and sometimes its more for the stability and maturity only an older guy can offer. Sorry, but most guys under 35 don't think the same as someone over lets say 55. I never would have imagined that I would be at the peak of my desirability at 58.
All I know is the demand from the girls far outstrips the supply of what I have to offer. Oh poor me. LOL. Once the girls have been out in the sugar world for any length of time they realize the odds are against them as there is so much competition. Part of that is living in los angeles. Where every decent looking girl in the world moves thinking they are going to break into hollywood one way or another.
But conversely in the more out of the way places its almost worse for the girls as the number of sugar daddies is much more far and in between. All I know is that neither the guys nor the girls need to settle for what they don't really want as there is ample enough supply on both sides. If you put in the time. To make everyone happy.
Typically they all have one friend that introduces them to this or they saw a show on tyra or where ever. And some do come straight out of the box and get lucky. But most do not. So if you are a good guy, are willing to be a little patient and not bs these girls too much. You will eventually find what you are looking for and for the amount you can afford.
I just start this SD hobby. I was trying out craglist which is all bot and no ready lady. Was wondering if anyone would like to help me out where to look for a good SB. Thank you ahead of time.
FeelGoodMd
10-20-12, 21:06
I just start this SD hobby. I was trying out craglist which is all bot and no ready lady. Was wondering if anyone would like to help me out where to look for a good SB. Thank you ahead of time.Majest,
Welcome to the Bowl. What I (and many of the other members of this site, I'm sure) did was start here (
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not/page150
And read forward. You will get a lot of great information, inspiration, and entertainment (often simultaneously, for that matter).
That's my prescription for the newbie in the Bowl.
Dr. Feelgood
I think you're overestimating the degree of willingness to strive for as much as they can get among those in that segment of the male population that do this sort of thing. Sure, most may hope for more than arm-candy, but many of them don't have the confidence, or risk tolerance, to pursue more. I don't want to harp on strip clubs, but I've watched a lot of customers in those clubs pay a lot of money to do nothing but sit and talk with these women, including women who I know from direct experience are willing to do a lot more than talk. These same men will often either become upset at the suggestion that their favorite girl is a thinly disguised prostitute, or be unwilling to take the next step in availing themselves of those services for a number of reasons, whether that be fear of spousal reprisal, contracting disease, law enforcement, social stigmata, etc.
The set of men who go to strip clubs for sex is not, in my experience, very representative of the set of men who go to strip clubs regularly. It seems well within the realm of possibility, not far-fetched at all, that the same factor applies to sugar daddies.
/zPossibly, but I don't think so. I just think the strip club experience is a much different animal when compared to the sd / sb experience. I feel that it is a different type of need that is being fulfilled at the club that has little to do with actually having sex with the strippers. Using myself as an example, and I admit I did not frequent the clubs on a regular basis, I never had the desire, past the fantasy stage, to bed a stripper. And it wasn't for fear of rejection or for any social or legal issues. I just didn't feel the need. The club for me was a place to hang with the guys, drink, smoke, talk shit and have a great time while looking at naked women. Nothing more. Now, if little Miss Fuck-Me-Pumps asked me into the back room for some nasty time, I would go in a heart beat. But look for it? No.
And I can't imagine anybody putting in the time and effort it takes to meet a decent pool of potential sb's and then pay cash, in some cases a huge amount, to just "hang out". There are anomalies in every group and I think these guys are the anomalies in the sd pool. And, IMO, are very few and very far between. But a girl can dream, I guess.
Thanks Mr. Z for your thoughts. I always enjoy reading your posts. As always, this is just my opinion and counts for no more or no less than anyone else.
Stay Safe.
Strict
John G Smith
10-21-12, 04:49
i think some of you are blowing the legal issue out of proportion. as hernando mentioned, there's pretty much a miniscule chance you'll get busted for prostitution in the sugar bowl. i've haven't heard of a single case anywhere of a sugar daddy getting busted for propositioning an of-aged sb. again, as hernando noted police want to net as much johns as possible per sting. it's about arrest stats, revenue from fines, and sometimes election year publicity. going after sugar daddies who are located all over geographically and have erratic schedules for meets would take a lot more time, effort, and patience from le. it's a lot easier for them to create a bp ad and setup a sting in a local hotel and net a 10-20 local mongers in one night.
also when i negotiate over text / email, i don't mean you should be overly graphic. i never say "i'll give you 80 for a bbbj every time we meet and 150 for bbfs". what i do say is that i'm looking for an arrangement that has physical intimacy. and then later on i may give an offer like this,"how about i gave you a monthly allowance of 1000-1200, which i'll give it to you in pieces 200-300 per meet." no where i'm explicitly saying i'm paying for a sexual act. i'm just giving my sb a monthly allowance which i'm paying in installments or i'm just giving her money on our dates. nothing illegal with that. sure i'm making implications that part of the parameters of our relationship is that we become "intimate". but again that's not illegal and le would have a hell of a time trying to draw lines with absolute certainty that i'm paying directly for sex acts. otherwise le would have to arrest everyone who gets on one knee and proposes to his girlfriend to be his wife. using an expensive engagement ring as payment, the guy is proposing a relationship that with absolute certainty will have sex involved. in fact, marriage isn't even official until a sex act is committed. so it's actually very hard to draw a legal line of distinction between a sd/sb relationship and a regular relationship.
besides, if le really wanted to nab sugar daddies, they could very well have the sb wear a recording device and then have le grab you when you leave the restaurant. saying things face to face doesn't give you anymore safety than text/email if le really wants to get you.
but still, i think there's little to worry about. maybe down the line if there is some serial sugar daddy predator who gets major headlines, then le may take a bigger interest in this arena. but for now it's pretty much unmonitored. again, our biggest threat is making sure we avoid the **** babies. it doesn't take a sting for you to get in trouble, it just takes an angry parent / friend / brother / sister who calls the police on you. so tread carefully with babies in the 18-20 range. any baby under 20, i always verify their age by asking for their facebook page. usually this is enough.
and some people are misinterpreting me and think i'm saying i believe in "no m&gs". that's not what i'm saying. i'm just saying do a little more vigorous pre-screening before you do a m&g. before you buy her dinner / drinks and waste your time, make sure she's pretty much already down with the program. that way you're basically just using the m&g to verify her appearance and any personality quirks. and if everything looks good, chances are high you could proceed to the fc right after the m&g if time permits.
i'm just saying, i'm hearing a lot of guys here complaining about girls wasting their time or being no-shows at m&gs. so i'm just saying move the m&g to "stage 2 or 3", don't have it as your first step.
i think some of you are blowing the legal issue out of proportion. as hernando mentioned, there's pretty much a miniscule chance you'll get busted for prostitution in the sugar bowl. i've haven't heard of a single case anywhere of a sugar daddy getting busted for propositioning an of-aged sb. again, as hernando noted police want to net as much johns as possible per sting. it's about arrest stats, revenue from fines, and sometimes election year publicity. going after sugar daddies who are located all over geographically and have erratic schedules for meets would take a lot more time, effort, and patience from le. it's a lot easier for them to create a bp ad and setup a sting in a local hotel and net a 10-20 local mongers in one night.
also when i negotiate over text / email, i don't mean you should be overly graphic. i never say "i'll give you 80 for a bbbj every time we meet and 150 for bbfs". what i do say is that i'm looking for an arrangement that has physical intimacy. and then later on i may give an offer like this,"how about i gave you a monthly allowance of 1000-1200, which i'll give it to you in pieces 200-300 per meet." no where i'm explicitly saying i'm paying for a sexual act. i'm just giving my sb a monthly allowance which i'm paying in installments or i'm just giving her money on our dates. nothing illegal with that. sure i'm making implications that part of the parameters of our relationship is that we become "intimate". but again that's not illegal and le would have a hell of a time trying to draw lines with absolute certainty that i'm paying directly for sex acts. otherwise le would have to arrest everyone who gets on one knee and proposes to his girlfriend to be his wife. using an expensive engagement ring as payment, the guy is proposing a relationship that with absolute certainty will have sex involved. in fact, marriage isn't even official until a sex act is committed. so it's actually very hard to draw a legal line of distinction between a sd / sb relationship and a regular relationship.
besides, if le really wanted to nab sugar daddies, they could very well have the sb wear a recording device and then have le grab you when you leave the restaurant. saying things face to face doesn't give you anymore safety than text / email if le really wants to get you.
but still, i think there's little to worry about. maybe down the line if there is some serial sugar daddy predator who gets major headlines, then le may take a bigger interest in this arena. but for now it's pretty much unmonitored. again, our biggest threat is making sure we avoid the **** babies. it doesn't take a sting for you to get in trouble, it just takes an angry parent / friend / brother / sister who calls the police on you. so tread carefully with babies in the 18-20 range. any baby under 20, i always verify their age by asking for their facebook page. usually this is enough.
and some people are misinterpreting me and think i'm saying i believe in "no m&gs". that's not what i'm saying. i'm just saying do a little more vigorous pre-screening before you do a m&g. before you buy her dinner / drinks and waste your time, make sure she's pretty much already down with the program. that way you're basically just using the m&g to verify her appearance and any personality quirks. and if everything looks good, chances are high you could proceed to the fc right after the m&g if time permits.
i'm just saying, i'm hearing a lot of guys here complaining about girls wasting their time or being no-shows at m&gs. so i'm just saying move the m&g to "stage 2 or 3", don't have it as your first step.i agree with mr. smith and hernando that the possible legal entanglements involved with playing the game of sugar, within the bounds of all players being of legal age, are very miniscule. le should have and do have bigger fish to fry. but, all it takes is one politician or enough complaints from a community to plant a seed.
scenario: i'll use richmond. article comes out that richmond is crawling with sd's "preying" on women, some very young. suddenly the 6 o'clock news picks it up. the mayor, police chief, everybody is hearing about it and it's an election year. hmmm. good opportunity to clean up the town and gain election points. place ads on various websites, work large number of potential sugar daddy's and schedule m&g's at staggered times in hotel bar. working 100 sd's. 20 (and that is very conservative) will show up and 18 will get nabbed. and there isn't a police chief in the universe that wouldn't give his left nut for arresting 18 "johns". yes, you just went from sugar daddy to john. and as you stated yourself, it's about "arrest stats", not conviction stats. that is just the gravy. they have their headline and you have your life and arrest record handed back to you in a plastic bag.
how likely is this? not very likely, i admit. and it would only net a large amount of "perps" in the bigger metro area's, i would think. but considering the time, money and effort le puts into saving us all from prostitution now, this could become the politician's newest flavor in sex related crime that need's to be dealt with.
mr. smith also gives the standard as to how one should conduct their game. a vigorous pre-screening, that includes confirming her age for the younger babies and that she understands her roll and is fully aware of what is expected, leading up to the m&g, is excellent advice. thanks john g. for reminding the membership how it should be done.
stay safe.
strict
Over the past couple of month's or so, the followers of the forum have taken a couple of swift kicks in the nuts (sorry Mandy!) with Hernando's relationship with his ATF being exposed and JoesParty contracting HSV-2 from his sb. It seemed to be the 800 lb sugar baby in the forum for awhile with no one commenting much, at least not what I would expect.
So, my question is: How and if these events have affected how you conduct your game. Has anyone quit? Doing things radically different? Or do you feel it just isn't a big concern and you have changed nothing. For myself, I stepped back and reevaluated how I was conducting my business and tighten everything up a bit. Obviously, if you're not married, being outed that way is a not real concern. But having work find out possibly could be. And disease is always a concern, and what has been stated before cannot be repeated too often: This will never be a 100 percent safe hobby. So, I was just wondering what is everyone's take on the whole thing.
Wrap him and Stay Safe.
Strict
I from experience, second the wisdom of Mr. HollywoodGuy.
About 20% of girls I dealt saw my maturity as a big factor on their decision to share their honey.
About 30% of the girls that I met ask too much. At least for me, over $$$. IMHO, these girls quickly learn that only a few pool of players exist at that dollar range and they demand return on their investment with acts or requirements that quickly scare and drive non-pros out of the game. Again, in IMHO, patience is our allied here. Once girls realize the going market, they are more likely to be reasonable in their demands as they find they have a bigger pool to interview for the chemistry that's so important to them with the safety they want and the honey they need.
I have also found a number of gals who happen to stumble into my ads purely for the fantasy of meeting someone who is into the game. Some success and with more time and effort, these gals may prove to be a steady stream of honey.
My last point is the "fantasy" or the need for companionship that we bring to this game. I have experienced a good number of the girls that I have dealt with are drawn to the experience be / see of the sugar but also because of the fantasy, the illicitness, etc.
After having interviewed hundreds of girls on the sugar daddy sites. All the girls agree on one thing. The direct approach is always best. Tell the girl exactly what it is you are looking for and exactly how much you are willing to pay. I get turned down a lot as I am on a tight budget. But after years of doing this I also have a few regulars and see about one random girl a week.
Most girls on a sugar daddy site don't really know what they want other than they want to have good chemistry for what ever it is they consider fair compensation. And this is where really talking to a lot of girls pays off. On the one extreme you have average looking girls asking for way too much. And on the other you have beautiful looking girls willing to take far less if you can show them a good time in bed, show some patience and understanding, and can offer some good conversation and advice.
There is also a contingent of girls under 25 that only want men over 50. Sometimes its more of a sexual fantasy and sometimes its more for the stability and maturity only an older guy can offer. Sorry, but most guys under 35 don't think the same as someone over lets say 55. I never would have imagined that I would be at the peak of my desirability at 58.
All I know is the demand from the girls far outstrips the supply of what I have to offer. Oh poor me. LOL. Once the girls have been out in the sugar world for any length of time they realize the odds are against them as there is so much competition. Part of that is living in los angeles. Where every decent looking girl in the world moves thinking they are going to break into hollywood one way or another.
But conversely in the more out of the way places its almost worse for the girls as the number of sugar daddies is much more far and in between. All I know is that neither the guys nor the girls need to settle for what they don't really want as there is ample enough supply on both sides. If you put in the time. To make everyone happy.
Typically they all have one friend that introduces them to this or they saw a show on tyra or where ever. And some do come straight out of the box and get lucky. But most do not. So if you are a good guy, are willing to be a little patient and not bs these girls too much. You will eventually find what you are looking for and for the amount you can afford.
CantWinLosin
10-21-12, 13:44
Did these "babies" have the same profiles before you met up with them?No. If they indicate anything that smells like GPS, I pass. But I do seem to be a catalyst for profile changes; several ladies have changed their profile once they asked me what I was looking for or "how does this work?" and I gave them an direct and honest (though polite) answer.
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