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People you are sending money to only see the name you use like captain America or dirk diggler. Cashapp will not share your info with anybody your sending money to no matter what. So I'm not sure who you are hiding from because the providers or SB have no way of tracing that back to you.I was nervous about verifying my identity to cAshApp because I didn't know if doing so would override my nom de sucre that the recipient sees.
How do you get money into an APP if not from a traceable account? I dunno, after seeing a few things out there, I;m also concerned about tracks others can follow.Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".
What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.
I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.
This one asks for your email so she can send you info on her orgy club LOL.
https://www.seeking.com/member/4ea6ac55-d7b4-4121-8d0b-f3fe0b6b0b3d
Good Lawd!
FarFarAway
04-14-21, 17:54
Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".
What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.
I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.Except cash. That's why a lot of government types want to get rid of it, crypto being one way. It's king for me. I almost uniformly operate in the bowl w / cash, I have some tricks generating it when I have a SO, but once I do, I am fairly insulated from exposure, to the SB or to the SO.
The one thing I have found, you can check into a hotel (w / your regular I'd, so that is a risk, and a credit card). When you check out, if you pay in cash, the charge does not even show up on your CC statement. I wouldn't do this with a CC that my SO ever sees the statement for, just in case my experience breaks down, but with a business CC, I think it is safe enough. I much prefer having my SB to get the room, and give her cash for the charge. I also advise her to pay in cash upon checkout. So, who knows who was in the room? The hotel of course, but unless there is a link to some kind of crime, I don't think they have any motivation or case to release that fact.
Few days ago my seeking account was flagged for engaging in "commercial activity". I had to read the terms of service and sign it, then they reinstated my account. Not sure why they flagged my account and what constitutes a "commercial activity". This happened few days after I let my subscription expire, and I sent lots of messages (may be in the range of 20 to 30) in last couple of days with the same message copied and pasted. Not sure that was the reason. Other than that I am pretty careful about my messaging. Even the last messages I sent, I didn't include my phone number or anything. And my profile is pretty basic and can't think of anything that would be interpreted as commercial activity. I have been a member of seeking for more than 3 years and usually maintain the subscription almost all the time (may be few weeks of lapse). This is a first time I got a warning like that. Just curious if anyone had the same experience.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".
What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.
I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.Exactly right about the divorce proceedings. Even if you had a secret account and used nothing but cash, you'll still have difficulty explaining where the $50 K (in my case) per year went if you get a forensic accountant review initiated by a divorce lawyer. When the judge asks, and you say "gambling," you won't be able to prove that you ever used the cash for that, and they won't believe you. It's a bust at that point.
I haven't been married in quite some time, but I know I'd be fucked if I got in a divorce fight and they started peering into my spending habits.
FarFarAway
04-14-21, 23:24
Few days ago my seeking account was flagged for engaging in "commercial activity". I had to read the terms of service and sign it, then they reinstated my account. Not sure why they flagged my account and what constitutes a "commercial activity". This happened few days after I let my subscription expire, and I sent lots of messages (may be in the range of 20 to 30) in last couple of days with the same message copied and pasted. Not sure that was the reason. Other than that I am pretty careful about my messaging. Even the last messages I sent, I didn't include my phone number or anything. And my profile is pretty basic and can't think of anything that would be interpreted as commercial activity. I have been a member of seeking for more than 3 years and usually maintain the subscription almost all the time (may be few weeks of lapse). This is a first time I got a warning like that. Just curious if anyone had the same experience.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.I believe what you did would qualify as spamming, and that is why you got flagged. That's the commercial part. That the messages were all the same. I have a core of my opening message I always use, because face it, facts are facts. However, I always put in something else, reacting to the girls profile, telling a joke, whatever. That makes the messages different, and even though I am sure how I use the site would be regarded as carpet bombing, I haven't ever had a problem like this. Except the one time I learned my lesson. I had just started a new profile, likely my 2nd, and my opening messages were all identical.
Exactly right about the divorce proceedings. Even if you had a secret account and used nothing but cash, you'll still have difficulty explaining where the $50 K (in my case) per year went if you get a forensic accountant review initiated by a divorce lawyer. When the judge asks, and you say "gambling," you won't be able to prove that you ever used the cash for that, and they won't believe you. It's a bust at that point.
I haven't been married in quite some time, but I know I'd be fucked if I got in a divorce fight and they started peering into my spending habits.It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.
On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..
It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.
On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..Lmao!! I went with choice #2 kicked her to curb. Now I got new GF but we ain't even close to having shared accounts or buying house. Best of luck to all I never was a very good liar or hider. Always got caught.
It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure.
On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..
You'd be pretty much fucked at that point. I have a friend that tends to pull $50 in cash every time he goes to the store for something. He eventually builds up a cash envelope stashed in his car, then goes and gets some ass. Probably the safest way to do it if his wife doesn't check receipts and shit.
Alkalinedio
04-16-21, 02:48
LMAO I'm so glad I'm not married and am single!
To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure.
You'd be pretty much fucked at that point. I have a friend that tends to pull $50 in cash every time he goes to the store for something. He eventually builds up a cash envelope stashed in his car, then goes and gets some ass. Probably the safest way to do it if his wife doesn't check receipts and shit.
Alkalinedio
04-16-21, 02:50
Yes, same here. I got flagged and locked out for a day, the reason was they said I sent too many emails too soon LOL and they "thought I was spam" I emailed the admin and he removed it asap.
I also copy and paste but try to tweak the opening sentence but I got lazy that time. I sent out mass fishing nets as well.
Stay safe.
AD.
I believe what you did would qualify as spamming, and that is why you got flagged. That's the commercial part. That the messages were all the same. I have a core of my opening message I always use, because face it, facts are facts. However, I always put in something else, reacting to the girls profile, telling a joke, whatever. That makes the messages different, and even though I am sure how I use the site would be regarded as carpet bombing, I haven't ever had a problem like this. Except the one time I learned my lesson. I had just started a new profile, likely my 2nd, and my opening messages were all identical.
LMAO I'm so glad I'm not married and am single!#metoo. Did I use that correctly?
To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure..Correct; checking and saving accounts don't show up on credit reports; I meant to say "secret" checking and saving accounts are very searchable as well as pulling a credits report. Ect. Yep it's best to remember that "cash is king". And also remember to flip the bird and smile to the surveillance cameras when you check-in to the hotel for your date; that always goes over well in court if you get busted; might even make the Judge laugh.
#metoo. Did I use that correctly?LOL. #metoo as well!
Alkalinedio
04-16-21, 21:43
Indeed!
Looks good to me haha.
#metoo. Did I use that correctly?
This one is 100% fake I'm sure:
https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf
Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.
Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?
I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and be safe!
FarFarAway
04-17-21, 11:29
This one is 100% fake I'm sure:
https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf
Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.
Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?
I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and be safe!Of course, nothing electronic beforehand. That's foolish. I have promised to give cash at the meet for gas, babysitter, uber, etc. I have also said that if the meeting goes well and we're moving toward an arrangement, I always have a 'nice gift. ' What I do there is typically a gift card, to Sephora or Victoria, of $25. That also lets me say something sappy when I give it to them, like 'every pretty girl likes. '. If I am meeting at a coffee place, I will sometimes give the girl cash and ask her to get me a drink with hers, and have her keep the change. If you order together, be sure to give a nice tip. Doesn't pay at all to look cheap (even if you are).
ItsAHobby45
04-17-21, 18:59
This one is 100% fake I'm sure:
https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf
Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.
Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?
I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and be safe!Up until lately I've been very successful in the sugar bowl with 18-23 low / no mileage gorgeous babies and I never once have paid for a m&g. Out of all the girls I've taken to the FC, I've only had one m&g and I had no plans to get to to the FC. She was up front and said she didn't think she could do it so we agreed that I'd buy her some nice toys and we'd meet at a coffee shop to give her the toys. Only thing I asked was for lots of pictures and vids of the toys getting good use and she came through for a few months. I take the time to do m&g online through texts, Snapchat or video chats. I'm just too busy to risk m&g's that may turn into nothing. I also have a SO and don't want to risk being seen in public. After running into 3 different babies while out in public with my SO I have started to only sugar 50+ miles away from home.
This one is 100% fake I'm sure:
https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf
Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.
Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?
I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and be safe!Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.
M&G is a job interview for the girl. If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.
So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.
Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.
M&G is a job interview for the girl. If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.
So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.The only time I've paid even one dime before hand was booking a mid-tier porn actress for a 2 hour date. It was fun but I over paid.
I wouldn't give any money for M& G (Cash or gift cards), but I would take care of all expenses (food, drinks etc). I don't send Uber money, but after we meet I would arrange an Uber for her to get back home. I have been in the sugar bowl for about 3 years now and on per month on average take 3 new girls to FC. You can do it without paying for M&G. When I started the bowl I had the habit of giving about $50 in cash or gift card after M&G. I quickly realized it has no impact on whether they meet meet me again let alone going to FC. In fact I found it was counter productive. Once you give the gift before heading to FC, more than likely you are not going to see them again. There are lots of Professional Meet & Greeters out there.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
This one is 100% fake I'm sure:
https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf
Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.
Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?
I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and be safe!
An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
What's you guys opinion on a girl specifically saying single men only on her seeking page? I am chatting with a 26 yr old with that disclaimer on her profile. I am divorced and not an issue for me. Her communication is very good and she seems legit and I confirmed her identity with the information given to me. Asking for a meet & greet first to see if we connect. Not asking for anything to meet and no discussion of allowance yet. Setting up a meet next week. Just wanted to get expert opinion.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.
Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.You just happen on a unicorn by accident. A few years back, I had one hit me up a day before my subscription expired. Gave her my number and let her know the clock was running out and I wasn't renewing. She sent me a text a few days later and we wound up having a blast for the next 9 months.
So it does happen periodically. Seemed easier back then, tbh.
FarFarAway
04-19-21, 14:43
The most reliable means of paying is with the OneVanilla Prepaid, which looks like this, and which comes in interesting packaging, with a vertical window and a tear strip through it to open the thing up.
DreamCatching
04-21-21, 05:02
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?
My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.
I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.
Mahalo, Stay Safe.
Member #7176
04-21-21, 10:22
Tell her you are at a time of your life where you want a real relationship. You feel that having her in your life makes it that your too comfortable to seek a normal relationship. If your marry just say you're wife found out, and your trying to safe your marriage.
Tell her in person, and if your a gentleman tell her before you FC her. I always tell them after, and when I'm ready to leave. You never know if things get ugly and you have to leave real quick.
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?
My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.
I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.
Mahalo, Stay Safe.
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?
My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.
I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.
Mahalo, Stay Safe.This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.
As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.
Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".
If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.
Tell her you are at a time of your life where you want a real relationship. You feel that having her in your life makes it that your too comfortable to seek a normal relationship. If your marry just say you're wife found out, and your trying to safe your marriage.
Tell her in person, and if your a gentleman tell her before you FC her. I always tell them after, and when I'm ready to leave. You never know if things get ugly and you have to leave real quick.
This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.
As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.
Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".
If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.Some sound advice for the OP. It's always interesting how "not putting up with any bullshit" has been co-opted by "red pill. " But I suppose as long as it works, call it whatever.
Personally, when I want to break things off, I find something the chick loves and start shitting on it. It could be jesus, her brother, her job, whatever. Make her see the future without you in it, and she'll do the break-up for you.
Kingmaletx
04-21-21, 23:02
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?
My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.
I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.
Mahalo, Stay Safe.Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.
As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.
Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.
Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.
As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.
Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.Hell, I'd even get a rental car for the day if that's her only link to tracking you down afterwards. Can't be too careful! I hope it goes well.
Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.
As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.
Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.
This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.
As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.
Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".
If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.This in spades!
Dudes give up their power WAY too easily to girls. This ain't marriage where in some senses you have to, this is an arrangement.
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?
My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.
I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.
Mahalo, Stay Safe.I confess to being a little confused about your situation.
Before you've asked for advice, you indicated you were "old" and not really up to date on these things. Yesterday you posted in the addict thread that you're young and not even 30. That's a strange age to be working the SB angle, but not unheard of.
But which is it? Are you "old" or in your 20's? It improves our understanding of where you're coming (experience-wise) from when asking for advice. Here are the contradictory posts:
I'm old
I'm under 30
Alkalinedio
04-22-21, 13:17
I met one a few months ago that said she was taking pills for schizophrenia, mind you, she was 19 or 20 and had a few fun sessions but wanted to cut that cold as I saw some ODD mood things go in my car nothing crazy but like extra-long gaze into nowhere, etc. So, I told her due to covid I was driving up to Humbolt County to work on a grow farm for two months! No cell service I told her, but I need to get rent money It worked well and burned that number same time / blocked her.
Stay safe.
AD.
Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.
I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.
I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?.
FarFarAway
04-22-21, 16:01
No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.
DreamCatching
04-22-21, 16:42
Greetings everyone.
Thank you for all your advice and wisdom, If I was ever living in a densely populated area I wouldn't be thinking too hard on this case so I definitely envy you all. I appreciate you all for taking the time for the assist, If you are ever in Hawaii I'll be happy to do some digging and info searching for you (Just PM me).
Also RogerOver I apologize for the way I was wording about myself in earlier posts. I meant old as in old-fashioned. The scenario was that I was a novice in hosting (I rarely did it) and was trying to say that if there have been new more updated ways to host anonymously over the years (technology and whatnot gets updated so fast). I'm actually young in body my friend (late 20's), decently experienced in hobbying, but an amatuer in seeking. I turn to fellow gents in larger forums of different states for advice since I feel like you've see pretty much everything in the Seeking world.
I promise I'll do my own research as well folks (your SB highlight thread is most helpful) and thank you.
Mahalo and stay safe.
I've been reading the strings on terminating SD / SD relationships. As the forum thread say's "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? No matter what age, you have to make the determination during the initial communication (electronically or by M&G) if they are Amateurs or Not by discussing with the SB your personal guidelines for setting up a mutual beneficial arraignment. If not, it's simple, you will lose control.
If the determination is "not", other than having to deal with negotiating with the GPS syndrome one's or UTR's depending on the set arrangement then most likely there will be no emotional connection and probably you are just one of many Stallions in their income stable. But there are exceptions..
If the determination is amateur; in many cases they don't have the ability manage an income stable of Sd's and are looking for one mutual beneficial arraignment, where ultimately there may be an emotional connection at risk. No matter how good it appears to be, you need to have a planned exit strategy incorporated into your guidelines if the relationship seems to start heading south. Again, there are exceptions..
Remember it takes two in a relationship; it's easy to get in but hard to punch out if it's spiraling out of control. Think with the big head not the little one.
As DreamCatching said..
Mahalo and stay safe.
You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.Yea you right didn't register the island thing but still if you on a island I think you wouldn't do the Sb thing.
I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.
In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.
Be safe!
Kingmaletx
04-24-21, 11:11
I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.
In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.
Be safe!If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.
Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.
Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.
If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.
Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.
Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.I should have cut off as soon as she said she's an escort and reported it but.
I may email support to see if I can get re-instated just to follow up conversations I had already started and finish out the month but I don't think Ill renew.
FarFarAway
04-24-21, 12:07
If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.
Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.
Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.While I appreciate the gal is the offender, I don't think it is in your interest to be the police. Rather than reporting, I just block those profiles when I get those sorts of messages. Definitely don't engage in any conversation with them. One key, in any conflict, is to be sure to block her first, that way she can't get to your profile to report you and get you in trouble.
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?
FarFarAway
04-25-21, 09:00
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?Girls who provide a verified email address from a college (. Edu domain name) get that.
Member #6575
04-25-21, 09:51
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?Its just girls that the SA site algorithm flags as active and they message and hopefully meet. They want to flag them so that a) they get more traffic b) mongers (sorry SDs) get responses to messages rather than crickets -- so more likely to stay as members.
SA.
Madaboutmax
04-25-21, 10:21
SBs can upgrade to premium for free with a ".edu" email address or for $20 a month.
The Premium SB Membership has more filtering options on searches, can tell when an SD was last active, can see if their messages have been read, can hide their profile from searches or dashboards, can hide their join date or last login date and can see if an SD profile is premium or not.
It useful, but not necessary for most SBs. The free Basic SB Membership works fine for most.
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?
ChrisHansen92
04-25-21, 10:26
As a female if you join with a edu (college) email you get the premium for free. So any girl that joins with that is a premium member. For those that join with a non college email they can upgrade for 19.99 a month.
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?
I have seen a lot of threads about these 2 and have gotten the impression that folks prefer SA so I never set up an account on SB until today. If you saw my earlier post SA banned me.
If I understand it right SA is based in the US and has to be very careful about soliciting but SB is not.
Does that mean I don't have to be quite as careful with what I say on SB and can I be more explicit in my profile description?
Thanks!
CopperPotDrip
04-25-21, 14:51
Another perk for the chicks is that they can check you out and not show on your viewed me list. I used to get messages from premiums who did not show up on viewed me or favorited me activity. I thought they were bots or scams. So, I wrote one back a snarky message about messaging me without ever looking at my profile. She messaged back, telling me the advantage for her being premium is that she can look at my profile without me knowing. I thought any type of profile could do that but lesson learned. We didn't meet.
So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?
Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.
I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?
I enjoyed her recently, have a question for anyone else who has had her. You can PM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/30007669-411e-42df-8bab-f65518272014
PhillUponThese
04-25-21, 17:32
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!Anybody paying for a meet and greet is a sorry SOB.
Geechie Dan
04-25-21, 18:30
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!I've only paid for one M&G and that was for a hot college age young lady. Also it was only about $40, and like many of the guys on here I've adopted the practice of never paying for a meet and greet. I can't believe she had the nerve to ask for 300 for that. Who's advising these women?
Geechie Dan
04-25-21, 18:33
Anybody paying for a meet and greet is a sorry SOB.Perhaps a bit strong but I understand the sentiment. Paying for M&G hurts all of us.
Alkalinedio
04-26-21, 01:19
Met a girl here in So. Cal said she's used to getting 400-1000 ppm and I said did you read my profile? I mention on my profile, I do not do PPM (twice) and prefer to meet and connect organically, if the chemistry is there I then say I don't mind helping out at all, but need to ensure we're even attracted. She agreed to meet and bring some white claws so we ended up drinking for hour and a half in my car and she was not half as cute as her pics. Made out for a bit and felt her ass etc then called it a night. Definitely would not repeat and give a donation only because she didn't look as good as her pics. I cannot agree until I actually hang out and see them. I agree with the rest here, I don't pay just to greet! Those smell too much like pros, I say good luck if you got others.
Just my experience recently.
Stay safe.
AD.
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!
TheHobbyLobby
04-26-21, 07:42
So I have decided not to do Seeking because I have read about all of the flakes, GPS and platonic chicks who are on line. I've done Seeking before with varying results. I am not a member but this one has sent me an email. Has anyone see her. If so send me a PM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ca094bb5-e7e5-4cd1-bf96-1b41d409a57a
ChrisHansen92
04-26-21, 07:56
Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!
Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.Absolutely correct. Whether it's SBs or escorts it's all the same. Sometimes we forget that we have the power but we continue to hand it to them. We over pay for services or give deposits or send gifts and advances to SB without even meeting them. I'm not judging because I've made those mistakes early in my years but with experience comes wisdom and I don't fall for that game. Little head sometimes speaks pretty loud but keep your head on straight and if it doesn't feel right don't do it. Just my thoughts Be safe.
Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!!
Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!!
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Oh I agree 1000000%! But......
Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!
I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.
So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.
Hang in there!
.Oh I agree 1000000%! But......
Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!
I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.
So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.
Hang in there!Yup that's all we can do is keep posting good ones and bad ones and hope they take heed. Some won't as you scroll thru the post been warned by several bad reviews provider is a dasher but yet there they go. Or how many times do we post No Deposits They are Fake yet there's a post about how they sent a 10 $ deposit and got ghosted. Can't fix stupid I guess lmao. Be safe Be safe.
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Oh I agree 1000000%! But......
Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!
I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.
So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.
Hang in there!
Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!!While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.
When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.
Kingmaletx
04-26-21, 22:41
I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:
Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.
I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!This must be a copy paste message from many of the so call SD rinse tutorials out there; like you, had agreed to meet with a couple of girls to make sure we 'clicked. '.
Day before or couple of days before, they hit me exactly with that-I have offers from other guys, but since you seemed cool, wanted to spend time with you; however, my time is valuable, blah blah blah.
I got these usually from girls in the 22-25 age range.
While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.
When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.
Member #7176
04-27-21, 12:14
There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.
This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.
DoneThatOnce
04-27-21, 17:52
Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?
Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?That is her. Run far, run fast.
There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.That is a real shame! Some numb-nuts who prolly only wants to date a girl once and then move on, ruined things for others. Oh, hey, who cares about you.... Its all about ME! Sigh.
Thanks for sticking around and at least providing basic reports!
If you have gone through this, please provide any guidance you may have. What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?
FarFarAway
04-28-21, 17:25
Some time back, there was a posting concerning putting the Facebook Messenger app on your burner phone, and it going through your address book, giving you the social media information it has on matching phone #s. This is something that you can't do on FB anymore, for a couple of year. Anyway, I finally upgraded my TracFone, to a LG Phoenix w / 16 MB (my tracfone is on the AT&T network). My old burner was very very slow and had no room for apps beyond GV. Anyway, does it still work to use FB messenger in this way? As I was trying to install it on my phone, it was asking for personal info to set up an account. I don't recall this being part of the deal a couple of years back to be able to use FB Messenger as I described. I have a sugar identity I could use for this, but overall I'd rather not anyone have even that fake info. Especially if this trick doesn't work anymore, I'll pass.
Kingmaletx
04-28-21, 23:49
If you have gone through this, please provide any guidance you may have. What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?I have had 3 different accounts, just new email address, and I've used the same vanilla visa card; only thing I do different is, my IP address changes, since I stay in different locations. This was last year, not sure if things have changed but never had an issue creating a new profile. I think they only care if you pay...my account has been even suspended and i created another account after that suspended account was reinstated. So not sure what the issue is nowadays.
Member #6575
04-29-21, 09:21
It is basically a bad idea to give ANY APP access to your contacts -- switch them ALL off. If the APP will not work without it -- delete the APP.
As far as SA -- I use the phone browser - not the APP -- and then delete the browser history every day !
Some time back, there was a posting concerning putting the Facebook Messenger app on your burner phone, and it going through your address book, giving you the social media information it has on matching phone #s. This is something that you can't do on FB anymore, for a couple of year. Anyway, I finally upgraded my TracFone, to a LG Phoenix w / 16 MB (my tracfone is on the AT&T network). My old burner was very very slow and had no room for apps beyond GV. Anyway, does it still work to use FB messenger in this way? As I was trying to install it on my phone, it was asking for personal info to set up an account. I don't recall this being part of the deal a couple of years back to be able to use FB Messenger as I described. I have a sugar identity I could use for this, but overall I'd rather not anyone have even that fake info. Especially if this trick doesn't work anymore, I'll pass.
What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?Email.
Credit card.
Photos.
Probably some cookies if you don't clear your cache.
FarFarAway
04-29-21, 14:08
It is basically a bad idea to give ANY APP access to your contacts -- switch them ALL off. If the APP will not work without it -- delete the APP.
As far as SA -- I use the phone browser - not the APP -- and then delete the browser history every day !Generally true, especially on your IRL phone, but I specifically referred to one's burner. The reason we have a burner. To be certain our real life and our sugar life never get mixed up. I see zero harm in this if you have truly kept your burner as having only things from your sugar life, which is exactly what I do.
I didn't have any question or comment about SA. I have had the app on my phone before, the only advantage I can see for doing that, if it is an Android phone, evidently you can pay your membership fee using Google Pay cards you can buy for cash, therefore eliminate any trace breadcrumbs.
That is her. Run far, run fast.Details? Please PM. Me, I have been talking to her.
Thanks.
Details? Please PM. Me, I have been talking to her.
Thanks.How would the details matter if I tell you to run far, run fast? If you think you still might meet her after I share the details, then why not just trust your gut instead of my experience and pull the trigger.
Its That Guy
04-30-21, 18:12
Details? Please PM. Me, I have been talking to her.
Thanks.She'll post your number, pics, messages, and name on her social media. I know her from outside of her whoring. I'd say she's as crazy as a shithouse rat but that would give shithouse rats a bad name.
She'll post your number, pics, messages, and name on her social media. I know her from outside of her whoring. I'd say she's as crazy as a shithouse rat but that would give shithouse rats a bad name.The shithouse rat crazy ones can be the most fun. Last time I had one of those, she gave the best TUMA / Blowie / HJ combo I'd had in a very long time.
How would the details matter if I tell you to run far, run fast? If you think you still might meet her after I share the details, then why not just trust your gut instead of my experience and pull the trigger.I have been texting her and didn't know what to expect.
I don't personal info was given and it's a burner phone. Just trying to make sure I have my bases covered.
DoneThatOnce
05-01-21, 20:28
I have been texting her and didn't know what to expect.
I don't personal info was given and it's a burner phone. Just trying to make sure I have my bases covered.Her best friend aka (Veronica / Haley / Rose) is also a long time gal on SA and WYP. They do compare notes if you are unlucky enough to message or see both at the same time. Rose is on WYP now with her face blocked out in her public pic but not private.
Both are cute but maybe a little bigger than the pics that they send. BBFS so can't complain there if you're into that.
https://www.seeking.com/member/02ef6df1-880b-4277-aa4b-5b329d873b67
https://www.seeking.com/member/e71be86c-9b66-43c7-87a5-2060f7a20e51
I saw this one a few weeks back. As others have noted she is heavier than her pics. She only hosts and is living by herself in a motel. Seems to be in rough shape, extra pounds and cutting scars on her arms / legs. Really doesn't enjoy hooking, the first two times we scheduled she backed out after telling me she selling herself makes her feel disgusting. Finally met up, she gives good head but definitely isn't enjoying herself. Prefers to be taken from behind, guessing so she doesn't have to look at you. As others have noted, she is fine with BBFS. Not sure on the birth control situation, she asked me to pull out right as I finished and definitely got a few squirts in her.
I won't be seeing her again, she's in rough shape and clearly having a hard time in life. She is 18 yo though so I gave it a whirl.
https://www.seeking.com/member/02ef6df1-880b-4277-aa4b-5b329d873b67
DoneThatOnce
05-03-21, 11:50
Both are cute but maybe a little bigger than the pics that they send. BBFS so can't complain there if you're into that.
https://www.seeking.com/member/02ef6df1-880b-4277-aa4b-5b329d873b67
https://www.seeking.com/member/e71be86c-9b66-43c7-87a5-2060f7a20e51HalGal was quick to reply and agreed on $$ but I haven't meet her yet. Busy working on another one right now. Still same old SA after being off for awhile. Lucky to get 25 percent to read my messages and less than that to reply.
Met up with this one, she's ok but I won't repeat. BBFS and BBBJ, just not as fresh as I prefer.
https://www.seeking.com/member/973344a1-f4c4-44d4-985b-ecfb0c524468
Met up with this one, she's ok but I won't repeat. BBFS and BBBJ, just not as fresh as I prefer.
https://www.seeking.com/member/973344a1-f4c4-44d4-985b-ecfb0c524468When you say fresh you mean? Just used or stink?
Anyone have a discount code for SA they would be willing to PM me?
Anyone have a discount code for SA they would be willing to PM me?I don't think they have any current discounts and even if they did I don't think you can enter them. I think the only way to get the discounts is to follow the link in the emails they send you or pop ups when you visit their page when they are offering discounts. Thinking about upgrading myself but the selection of girls is so thin. In years past I could login any time of the day and find 10-20 girls online now that were hot enough I'd like to meet within 50 miles of RVA. Now I can't find but about 3 logged in within a week that I'd want to meet.
FirstClass1
05-04-21, 20:43
You just happen on a unicorn by accident. A few years back, I had one hit me up a day before my subscription expired. Gave her my number and let her know the clock was running out and I wasn't renewing. She sent me a text a few days later and we wound up having a blast for the next 9 months.
So it does happen periodically. Seemed easier back then, tbh.I'm still seeing my ATF who I found on WYP a few years ago. It is possible.
When you say fresh you mean? Just used or stink?Meaning she had a kid 8 months ago.
I posted this in the NOVA forum but Richmond seems so much more active so reposting here. Hope that is OK!
My SA subscription expired a while ago but over the past week I have continued to receive a few text messages from SBs who I had given my number to on SA. I've sent out hundreds of msgs in the past three months and obviously I do not recall who I sent my number to, their name, username, details?
My issue is this. I get a lot of these texts that go like "hi, I'm Cindy from SA" . I will of course log into SA and try to search for a Cindy but in all likelihood I will not find a Cindy in my SA inbox. When I reply back with some niceties and then politely ask them to remind of of their user name. As soon as I ask, most of these girls ghost me! I'm not kidding its like 70-80% never reply back.
I get it. They probably feel *unspecial* because I don't remember their face / username / anything about them (even though they respond back days after I may have given my number) . But c'mon.
So wise men of SA. How do you turn this around? Do you deal with similar issues? What is the best way to keep the convo going? Which I would love to because if I had given my number to them means we at least had some conversation on SA and I liked the pics enough to want to chat more.
So wise men of SA. How do you turn this around? Just ask them! I do the same thing when my account is about to expire. (FYI, many SBs think this is scammy.) "Hey Alice! Nice to meet you! Remind me your SA name again?" I don't remember that anyone ever ghosted me or refused to reply.
Meaning she had a kid 8 months ago.Ahh that's ok rather have loose fresh then tight stank.
Member #6575
05-06-21, 09:03
It is true that some girls (especially new and fresh / naive ones) will drop you if they think you are trolling dozens or more girls on SA. If course the experienced ones (semi-pros) will not be phased at all (but these are the ones you probably don't want to see anyway).
This is a trick I use -- I do not post any picture at all on SA -- and clearly tell them that I do not trust any social media app / website with my picture, but that I am happy to txt or E-mail it directly to them.
With this said up front -- if you reply to their txt with a picture of you -- and say "as promised. My picture" - you can also ask for their picture, saying that your SA has expired and you cannot get in to look at the pictures. Most are clueless and will send you one of the same pictures they used on SA -- and then you have them!
Regards SAtraveler.
I posted this in the NOVA forum but Richmond seems so much more active so reposting here. Hope that is OK!
My SA subscription expired a while ago but over the past week I have continued to receive a few text messages from SBs who I had given my number to on SA. I've sent out hundreds of msgs in the past three months and obviously I do not recall who I sent my number to, their name, username, details?
My issue is this. I get a lot of these texts that go like "hi, I'm Cindy from SA" . I will of course log into SA and try to search for a Cindy but in all likelihood I will not find a Cindy in my SA inbox. When I reply back with some niceties and then politely ask them to remind of of their user name. As soon as I ask, most of these girls ghost me! I'm not kidding its like 70-80% never reply back.
I get it. They probably feel *unspecial* because I don't remember their face / username / anything about them (even though they respond back days after I may have given my number) . But c'mon.
So wise men of SA. How do you turn this around? Do you deal with similar issues? What is the best way to keep the convo going? Which I would love to because if I had given my number to them means we at least had some conversation on SA and I liked the pics enough to want to chat more.
Starkey 2008
05-06-21, 13:05
For what it's worth, Ernest is giving you 100% accurate info. She publicly exposed multiple guys. She is NOT worth the risk!
Starkey.
I have been texting her and didn't know what to expect.
I don't personal info was given and it's a burner phone. Just trying to make sure I have my bases covered.
Her best friend aka (Veronica / Haley / Rose) is also a long time gal on SA and WYP. They do compare notes if you are unlucky enough to message or see both at the same time. Rose is on WYP now with her face blocked out in her public pic but not private.Is she still on the SA, I do miss her though, hot body and seen her for few years but she stopped responding was a great fuck she turned into respectful profession but did not know if she is back on the SA!!
PM me if have any details do not mind getting back to see her again.
Safe travels.
She'll post your number, pics, messages, and name on her social media. I know her from outside of her whoring. I'd say she's as crazy as a shithouse rat but that would give shithouse rats a bad name.It seems like there are about 1/10th the number of girls on Seeking as a couple years ago so the pickings are so slim it might be worth the risk. I wish I knew her Instagram so I could see more pictures and know if it was worth the risk, LOL.
Kingmaletx
05-06-21, 23:26
I posted this in the NOVA forum but Richmond seems so much more active so reposting here. Hope that is OK!
My SA subscription expired a while ago but over the past week I have continued to receive a few text messages from SBs who I had given my number to on SA. I've sent out hundreds of msgs in the past three months and obviously I do not recall who I sent my number to, their name, username, details?
My issue is this. I get a lot of these texts that go like "hi, I'm Cindy from SA" . I will of course log into SA and try to search for a Cindy but in all likelihood I will not find a Cindy in my SA inbox. When I reply back with some niceties and then politely ask them to remind of of their user name. As soon as I ask, most of these girls ghost me! I'm not kidding its like 70-80% never reply back.
I get it. They probably feel *unspecial* because I don't remember their face / username / anything about them (even though they respond back days after I may have given my number) . But c'mon.
So wise men of SA. How do you turn this around? Do you deal with similar issues? What is the best way to keep the convo going? Which I would love to because if I had given my number to them means we at least had some conversation on SA and I liked the pics enough to want to chat more.On my burner phone, for those that I chat with and shared phone number, or those that sent me their phone number, but not really interested, I just take a screenshot of profile, chat, then share to google keep, archive. When some of these profiles hit me up later, I got the info already so if interested, I continue the chat as it was yesterday. Smartphones can be useful that way.
I posted this in the NOVA forum but Richmond seems so much more active so reposting here. Hope that is OK!
My SA subscription expired a while ago but over the past week I have continued to receive a few text messages from SBs who I had given my number to on SA. I've sent out hundreds of msgs in the past three months and obviously I do not recall who I sent my number to, their name, username, details?
My issue is this. I get a lot of these texts that go like "hi, I'm Cindy from SA" . I will of course log into SA and try to search for a Cindy but in all likelihood I will not find a Cindy in my SA inbox. When I reply back with some niceties and then politely ask them to remind of of their user name. As soon as I ask, most of these girls ghost me! I'm not kidding its like 70-80% never reply back.
I get it. They probably feel *unspecial* because I don't remember their face / username / anything about them (even though they respond back days after I may have given my number) . But c'mon.
So wise men of SA. How do you turn this around? Do you deal with similar issues? What is the best way to keep the convo going? Which I would love to because if I had given my number to them means we at least had some conversation on SA and I liked the pics enough to want to chat more.Yet another short coming of SA. The site technically is a POS.
It happens to me all the time. If I'm travelling to a city for business I send a lot of messages to potential Babies. Because I need something to process quickly I put my play name & play number. Just like what your describing I get the text back with no clue who she is. I look through my messages but unless they messaged you back, you can't see messages you sent out that doesn't have them in the thread.
For $100 a month that's such BS! That & the search function are my two top pet peeves with SA. Of course the rest of my issues are with the scammers, platonic princesses, pic / video sellers you have to sift through to find a few real hot Babies that are DTF!
Many of these girls aren't very bright and use the same screen name on social media and SA. Google the SA screen name and see if anything comes up.
It seems like there are about 1/10th the number of girls on Seeking as a couple years ago so the pickings are so slim it might be worth the risk. I wish I knew her Instagram so I could see more pictures and know if it was worth the risk, LOL.
Anyone have a discount code for SA they would be willing to PM me?You don't need a discount code. They are running yet another special. This one fir Memorial Day. Last one was St. Patts Day.
I actually got kicked off after being a member for three years. Paying for about a year & a half. I do it with a $100 Vanilla card.
Then when they try the auto renew it cancelled because no $ on the card. By then I'm texting at least a dozen Babies & wait fir the next special unless someone I'm dying to chat with on the site finally messages me back. Usually because I have intel from a board member they are DTF at a non GPS rate.
I didn't get cancelled for soliciting sex, which seems to be how Daddies get canceled but because my profile pic wasn't me. It was Tony Soprano from the nose to the waise. What BS. Lost years of intel & messages!
Good hunting!
DF.
RegularJoe1985
05-07-21, 17:44
I don't think they have any current discounts and even if they did I don't think you can enter them. I think the only way to get the discounts is to follow the link in the emails they send you or pop ups when you visit their page when they are offering discounts. Thinking about upgrading myself but the selection of girls is so thin. In years past I could login any time of the day and find 10-20 girls online now that were hot enough I'd like to meet within 50 miles of RVA. Now I can't find but about 3 logged in within a week that I'd want to meet.That link has code somewhere in it and anyone can use it. SA doesn't send offers to everyone.
Is she still on the SA, I do miss her though, hot body and seen her for few years but she stopped responding was a great fuck she turned into respectful profession but did not know if she is back on the SA!!
PM me if have any details do not mind getting back to see her again.
Safe travels.Is this the slim brunette Veronica that went into real estate? Good god she had a great body and loved sex.
Now your experience may be different but this one https://www.seeking.com/member/5ba2f3fe-ad5e-4004-90a8-44cf22270afa is not new to the site. Had a previous profile and had a meeting setup for coffee this past week, she actually had messaged me the day before to confirm, anyway was setup, no show, total silence to my messages, on top of that broke two previous meets prior, I only went this time because she confirmed with me the day before. Pics are hot, but I stay away.
Rhumzensual99
05-08-21, 12:06
She was in Richmond area from June through September. DM if you saw her to trade important info.
I tend to avoid girls who have "Gift Wishlist" on their SA profile. It is one of my initial weed out categories. They tent to be the ones that ask for payment for M&G, and hard to get to agree for a meet up type girls. The longer the list, lower the chance of meeting. Has this been your experience too? I am wondering if I am missing some good ones by ignoring them.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
FarFarAway
05-09-21, 10:34
I tend to avoid girls who have "Gift Wishlist" on their SA profile. It is one of my initial weed out categories. They tent to be the ones that ask for payment for M&G, and hard to get to agree for a meet up type girls. The longer the list, lower the chance of meeting. Has this been your experience too? I am wondering if I am missing some good ones by ignoring them.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.Track down my earlier post on this. I find it another window into a POT. Especially when she has all kinds of nasty sex toys and bondage equipment.
Unassuming2018
05-09-21, 14:18
I have to agree with FarFarAway. Gift Wishlists are great to find more info on a POT. You can learn more from a wishlist than you can a profile. I'm always looking to see if she has sex toys first off, then I look at the other things. You can usually find the same style of jewelry for cheaper. Case in point, I found the exact same necklace on a wishlist via Amazon. I paid 9 bucks for the necklace, the one on her wishlist was around 350 if I remember. I put the necklace in a nice box (it came in a small zip-loc baggie). Gave it to her and of course she didn't know any better. She thought it was thoughtful and that I had spent big, she happily gave up backdoor access that night. It cost me 9 bucks, free shipping, LOL.
When used wisely, wishlists are great. I actually prefer profiles with them due to the intel you can get from them and the benefits when done right.
I tend to avoid girls who have "Gift Wishlist" on their SA profile. It is one of my initial weed out categories. They tent to be the ones that ask for payment for M&G, and hard to get to agree for a meet up type girls. The longer the list, lower the chance of meeting. Has this been your experience too? I am wondering if I am missing some good ones by ignoring them.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
Member #6679
05-09-21, 16:29
She was in Richmond area from June through September. DM if you saw her to trade important info.Tip: if you have to go to these lengths to confirm that your girl was selling herself? Time to let go and move on.
FarFarAway
05-09-21, 16:36
I have to agree with FarFarAway. Gift Wishlists are great to find more info on a POT. You can learn more from a wishlist than you can a profile. I'm always looking to see if she has sex toys first off, then I look at the other things. You can usually find the same style of jewelry for cheaper. Case in point, I found the exact same necklace on a wishlist via Amazon. I paid 9 bucks for the necklace, the one on her wishlist was around 350 if I remember. I put the necklace in a nice box (it came in a small zip-loc baggie). Gave it to her and of course she didn't know any better. She thought it was thoughtful and that I had spent big, she happily gave up backdoor access that night. It cost me 9 bucks, free shipping, LOL.
When used wisely, wishlists are great. I actually prefer profiles with them due to the intel you can get from them and the benefits when done right.I was recently surveyed by SA, one of my suggestions was we be able to search if a girl has a wishlist or not.
ChrisHansen92
05-09-21, 16:58
It's the little things that can open up door's (holes) etc. Most girls I see ongoing I ask them to create an Amazon wish list for me. I surprise them once in a while. I never buy off the profile's wish list. One girl told me they can take the cash equivalency instead of the gift. Also if a girl has spent more time filling her wish list than her profile it's a turn off for me.
I have to agree with FarFarAway. Gift Wishlists are great to find more info on a POT. You can learn more from a wishlist than you can a profile. I'm always looking to see if she has sex toys first off, then I look at the other things. You can usually find the same style of jewelry for cheaper. Case in point, I found the exact same necklace on a wishlist via Amazon. I paid 9 bucks for the necklace, the one on her wishlist was around 350 if I remember. I put the necklace in a nice box (it came in a small zip-loc baggie). Gave it to her and of course she didn't know any better. She thought it was thoughtful and that I had spent big, she happily gave up backdoor access that night. It cost me 9 bucks, free shipping, LOL.
When used wisely, wishlists are great. I actually prefer profiles with them due to the intel you can get from them and the benefits when done right.
Member #6575
05-10-21, 09:32
Tip: if you have to go to these lengths to confirm that your girl was selling herself? Time to let go and move on.And same guy is posting and sending PMs from DyerMan -- he needs to stop chasing the girl all over VA / SC / NC!
Member #6575
05-10-21, 09:34
She was in Richmond area from June through September. DM if you saw her to trade important info.You have asked the same question in 6 places the last week. - also posting as DyerMan.
Louisville KY.
Greensboro NC.
Richmond, VA.
Charlotte NC.
Columbia NC.
Charleston SC.
You are a non SM that claims to have had a broken marriage in Dec last year. Why the sudden interest to find this girl? You even PMed me about her.
Is she your ex and you are after creating trouble for her?
This board is not for such a use. Please stop.
SA.
Gift Wishlists are great to find more info on a POT. .... I found the exact same necklace on a wishlist via Amazon. I paid 9 bucks for the necklace, the one on her wishlist was around 350 if I remember. I put the necklace in a nice box (it came in a small zip-loc baggie). Gave it to her and of course she didn't know any better. She thought it was thoughtful and that I had spent big, she happily gave up backdoor access that night. It cost me 9 bucks, free shipping, LOL.
When used wisely, wishlists are great. I actually prefer profiles with them due to the intel you can get from them and the benefits when done right.Most of these women don't know how to shop for value -- hence them being on this site. Plus, you'd be surprised how cheap some things really are or how inexpensive their tastes really are. I've had them make amazon wish lists, and they pick out dresses and shoes under $50.
I thought I was the only lucky one who was fuc at #ng her, LOL.
Yeah she is the one.
For the bonus I do have some nice hot videos of her riding me!!
Is this the slim brunette Veronica that went into real estate? Good god she had a great body and loved sex.
DoneThatOnce
05-10-21, 21:17
Is she still on the SA, I do miss her though, hot body and seen her for few years but she stopped responding was a great fuck she turned into respectful profession but did not know if she is back on the SA!!
PM me if have any details do not mind getting back to see her again.
Safe travels.I have only seen her on WYP for the last 6 months. I have no contact info.
John G Smith
05-11-21, 21:57
Wow, it's been almost 6 years since my last post. When the new laws in 2016 started attacking adult oriented websites I decided to take a break from online discussion on these topics until the dust settled.
I'm still reading a bunch of threads and reports to get caught up, but it's really interesting just seeing how everything has evolved! I've actually been in the sugar bowl the whole time I've just kept a low profile. I may share some of my experiences, but it looks like many people have been doing very well here. Since the San Diego Sugar Daddy forums are now more active, I'll probably spend more time there. But I'll definitely check this Richmond forum if you guys have any cool Meta Sugar Bowl discussions. I still see a few familiar members, which is great.
Stay safe out there!
MoCheeks65
05-12-21, 14:56
I have been on and off SA for the past 3 years.
Want to jump back in but my personal situation now requires me to be super careful and "lean no trace" behind.
I sued to simply punch in my own CC, can't do that anymore.
How do others handle this. Stopped at Walgreens and the number of prepaid cc was overwhelming. No idea what to get or how it works?
Thanks in advance for your help on this.
FreeSpirit2763
05-12-21, 18:32
Making a trip up to Richmond in the near future and wondering if anyone has any intel on this lady. Been talking a good game.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0861aed3-2de1-4916-98cf-dba8e9d1ef7f
https://www.seeking.com/member/6a2402c9-e6b9-4261-89c7-a6e49b4be064
Nice looking nurse. Verified her IRL -- newbie opsec!
She had an organic SD -- a surgeon at her hospital that used to take her to conferences and bang her in exchange for travel and gifts, no cash.
Very high opinion of herself.
John G Smith
05-14-21, 07:57
I have been on and off SA for the past 3 years.
Want to jump back in but my personal situation now requires me to be super careful and "lean no trace" behind.
I sued to simply punch in my own CC, can't do that anymore.
How do others handle this. Stopped at Walgreens and the number of prepaid cc was overwhelming. No idea what to get or how it works?
Thanks in advance for your help on this.Honestly it depends on what level of privacy you're looking for. In this day and age, there's no such thing as "leave no trace" behind. .
But I'll give you a few levels of security and you can figure out what works for you.
Lavel 1 - If your spouse rarely or almost never checks your statements, and you just one to obscure the actual SA charge then you can maybe get a prepaid card (that's able to do online purchases) or a Paypal debit card. You pay SA with Paypal card. You can then load the Paypal or prepaid with cash at the store and then pay SA. The downside is if your spouse asks you why you have a prepaid card, then you may have problems. It's sort of like finding your spouse with a second phone.
Level 2 - If your spouse is regularly checking your paper statements and looking at your wallet, then get a new credit card and use a PO Box and sign up for paperless. And pay by mail. If she sees a legit credit card in your wallet, it probably won't raise any flags. She may make a mental note to look for statements, but she'll probably forget. And if she does ask, you can say you signed up for paperless. And then you can always give her an edited statement. Also you can use this credit card for dinners and hotels with SBs.
Level 3 - Your spouse has threatened divorce and / or is aggressively looking through paper statements, e-statements, and your credit report. My advice would be to not go on SA or just get divorced. If someone is aggressively looking for irregularities, they will find it. The only thing I could suggest would be to find someone in person who will essentially pay for SA for you and you pay them in cash. But of course you're now exposed to that person. And again, if you have to be this discreet just purchasing the SA membership, how are you going to hide allowance payments, gifts, dinners, and hotels for your sugar baby?
I think the Sugar Bowl is good if you have spouse that is not tech savvy or they're busy doing their own thing. But if you have a spouse that's on full alert or you have too much to lose, it's best not to play in the bowl. There's no advice that can be given to make it safe for you.
I have been on and off SA for the past 3 years.
Want to jump back in but my personal situation now requires me to be super careful and "lean no trace" behind.
I sued to simply punch in my own CC, can't do that anymore.
How do others handle this. Stopped at Walgreens and the number of prepaid cc was overwhelming. No idea what to get or how it works?
Thanks in advance for your help on this.What you will need is a prepaid Vanilla Visa Card. There is a picture of one posted by FarFarAway several pages (3+?) back. Remember there maybe a 5. 95 usage or signup fee so buy a bit more than the SA price. That will get you on SA.
However, if you want MAX privacy do the following:
1. Get a burner phone. Usually can find a cheap "smart" phone for $30 in the drug stores or Wally World. Renewal 35-50 depending on plan. You will have to buy a renewal 'card" each month, mix up where you buy that. PAY CASH. Use a fake name AND a real address. Select an address of a HUGE local Apt Complex, leave off the Apt #. Don't give a business address.
2. Sign up for and use a VOIP App for all of your sugar communications! Google Voice, TextNow, etc (read down there is a number of posts on these apps) Layer that on your burner phone NOT on your regular phone. There is often "leakage" with apps and you don't want that to happen if SO is around or borrowing your phone. Level 1 danger "happens" you can block the girl on the App. Level 3 danger and you block her AND toss the phone in the nearest body of water and start over.
3. Sign up for a burner email account. Some use the encrypted or hidden email accounts: Hushmail, proton, etc. You need a REAL phone number (burner number) to sign up with Gmail and Yahoo mail.
4. Sign up for SA using the Vanilla prepaid card. Use the above info to do so.
5. As OP have pointed out, use a "stage" name when talking with girls. Reveal little personal info. Don't tell them where you work, use competitor company if you must say something.
6. Pay cash for everything associated with the Bowl: hotels, gifts, food, etc. For goodness sake, don't keep receipts for any of it! Some guys get the girl to put the room on their CC and give them the cash for it.
7. If the girl is ever in your ride, stop at a convenience store on the way home and give your car a thorough search. Under the seats, between seats, under mats, in door pockets. Look anywhere a bobble earring might fall into or drugs might get stashed.
8. Wrap up used condoms and take them with you. Don't leave them in hotel, you can toss them in the trash when you stop to check your car.
That should help you transition to leaving little if any trace for a SO to find.
Good luck!
7. If the girl is ever in your ride, stop at a convenience store on the way home and give your car a thorough search. Under the seats, between seats, under mats, in door pockets. Look anywhere a bobble earring might fall into or drugs might get stashed.
I've NEVER had a SB in my car, but damned if someone at the dealership didn't leave a water bottle in the door compartment for my SO to find.
Member #7176
05-15-21, 12:45
Had a sugar drop a very feminine looking mask in my passenger side. Another sugar found it, just told her must of belong to my sister who brought my car a few days ago.
I've NEVER had a SB in my car, but damned if someone at the dealership didn't leave a water bottle in the door compartment for my SO to find.
Fellas I am in San Diego but you are the masters. THANK YOU for all the info here, I have been laughing at all the scammers and vapids on SA. I hope to be able to contribute here but I am a newbie. Let me throw this one out here.
https://www.seeking.com/member/006d4606-ea06-4df3-a03f-228be0f30d67
I have had several perfectly normal chats with this girl, talking about grad school and what not, but at some point you have to start getting down to brass tacks, right? She is my ideal case, a college student with goals that needs a little help. Although that is not exactly clear from her profile, info is it. Here is a pic of the last few texts I've had with her, and frankly I don't know how to respond to her last text. Is she just playing dumb and jerking me around? She has been a member for a year, seriously acting like you just stumbled onto SA? Am I supposed to spend endless hours chatting up a girl like this to convince her to sell herself? Anyway I'm thinking that I'm wasting my time with this one. Or does anyone think this could moved forward from here?
Fellas I am in San Diego but you are the masters. THANK YOU for all the info here, I have been laughing at all the scammers and vapids on SA. I hope to be able to contribute here but I am a newbie. Let me throw this one out here.
https://www.seeking.com/member/006d4606-ea06-4df3-a03f-228be0f30d67
I have had several perfectly normal chats with this girl, talking about grad school and what not, but at some point you have to start getting down to brass tacks, right? She is my ideal case, a college student with goals that needs a little help. Although that is not exactly clear from her profile, info is it. Here is a pic of the last few texts I've had with her, and frankly I don't know how to respond to her last text. Is she just playing dumb and jerking me around? She has been a member for a year, seriously acting like you just stumbled onto SA? Am I supposed to spend endless hours chatting up a girl like this to convince her to sell herself? Anyway I'm thinking that I'm wasting my time with this one. Or does anyone think this could moved forward from here?I think you go straight to it; tell her you'd like to spend time together. She has joined a sugar daddy website after talking to a friend who is also on the site, she's a grad student so not a dummy. Even if she's not a grad student and her girlfriend didn't lead her there, its the story she is using to meet you and she's an adult female. She's been ducking (or not?) older men looking to fuck since she was a teenager. She knows exactly what you want, the question is how much do you want it? Ask her for a real world date, don't take "that time / day doesn't work" more than twice.
For whatever its worth, just checked her profile. The recent login was from Germany. You may want to check that with her if you want to move forward.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
Fellas I am in San Diego but you are the masters. THANK YOU for all the info here, I have been laughing at all the scammers and vapids on SA. I hope to be able to contribute here but I am a newbie. Let me throw this one out here.
https://www.seeking.com/member/006d4606-ea06-4df3-a03f-228be0f30d67
I have had several perfectly normal chats with this girl, talking about grad school and what not, but at some point you have to start getting down to brass tacks, right? She is my ideal case, a college student with goals that needs a little help. Although that is not exactly clear from her profile, info is it. Here is a pic of the last few texts I've had with her, and frankly I don't know how to respond to her last text. Is she just playing dumb and jerking me around? She has been a member for a year, seriously acting like you just stumbled onto SA? Am I supposed to spend endless hours chatting up a girl like this to convince her to sell herself? Anyway I'm thinking that I'm wasting my time with this one. Or does anyone think this could moved forward from here?
For whatever its worth, just checked her profile. The recent login was from Germany. You may want to check that with her if you want to move forward.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.Yeah I didn't know what to make of that, texting from a San Diego area code though. Spoofed?
Kingmaletx
05-16-21, 01:01
Yeah I didn't know what to make of that, texting from a San Diego area code though. Spoofed?I've met with girls that were technically savvy and were using a vpn. Honestly, only way to find out if she is legit is to get down to the point.
I don't chat for days, unless I'm not in the area, and I know I'll be there in a week, 2 weeks, or the SB is having some scheduling conflicts.
Her question, "waste time? I would then use that as a good way to get to 'business'. That's when I would say something like, yes, I'm here to look for an SB, and I usually like to meet first, blah blah blah. Whatever your way is.
I had two leaving shit in my house all the time so I got two ditty bags with name tags for each. Put SB-A's stuff out when she was coming, hid the stuff from SB-B.
Had a sugar drop a very feminine looking mask in my passenger side. Another sugar found it, just told her must of belong to my sister who brought my car a few days ago.
Fellas I am in San Diego but you are the masters. THANK YOU for all the info here, I have been laughing at all the scammers and vapids on SA. I hope to be able to contribute here but I am a newbie. Let me throw this one out here.
https://www.seeking.com/member/006d4606-ea06-4df3-a03f-228be0f30d67
I have had several perfectly normal chats with this girl, talking about grad school and what not, but at some point you have to start getting down to brass tacks, right? She is my ideal case, a college student with goals that needs a little help. Although that is not exactly clear from her profile, info is it. Here is a pic of the last few texts I've had with her, and frankly I don't know how to respond to her last text. Is she just playing dumb and jerking me around? She has been a member for a year, seriously acting like you just stumbled onto SA? Am I supposed to spend endless hours chatting up a girl like this to convince her to sell herself? Anyway I'm thinking that I'm wasting my time with this one. Or does anyone think this could moved forward from here?OK, here is some advice that is blunt. Sorry that it isn't PC. If you can get past the style....
As others have said you need to get down to brass tacks yourself in your approach! Look, there are a TONNE of guys out there that are too inept to meet, scared to meet or who just get off jacking off to convos with girls. Girls get tired of dealing with them. You need to distinguish yourself from those dudes.
Remember as you are sizing her up she is sizing you up. Be straight forward after a few texts that you want to meet. What I read there was WAY too circumspect. Get to the point! It is Not her job to ASK you to meet. No girl is going to say she is there to sell her pussy. Some girls want to be sought after, wanted. I don't see that in what you wrote. It is too round about.
Ask her when she is free to meet for coffee, drinks, dinner, lunch, etc. Suggest a couple of times that are good for you. Also suggest a place. That is a DEFINITIVE offer that she can evaluate and accept, refuse or counter. That will get her off go. DO NOT offer to pay for any funds for a Meet & Greet! The M&G is a job interview. You see if she is honest, straight forward, as shown in pics and someone you will be comfortable getting naked with. She will be sizing you up: can he pay? Is he looking for ongoing or one time? Is he going to hurt me or kill me? Also at the meet & greet you can discuss her vision of "help" for her time. Follow the same rule as SW: never talk sex and money of any kind of remuneration.
IF you have chemistry at the M&G you can offer to take her right away to the FC. So have a plan for that. Don't expect her to know of or suggest a place, er, unless she is a pro.
But dude- GET TO THE POINT! Ask her to meet! You follow this and you will quickly flush out the scammers who want you to go to the OnlyFans page, who EXPECT payment for the M&G or who need $ upfront for gas money, baby sitter, etc.
John G Smith
05-17-21, 03:10
What you will need is a prepaid Vanilla Visa Card. There is a picture of one posted by FarFarAway several pages (3+?) back. Remember there maybe a 5. 95 usage or signup fee so buy a bit more than the SA price. That will get you on SA.
However, if you want MAX privacy do the following:
*snip*
Really great advice especially in relation to current tech and resources.
But I would just caution you can have an anonymous burner phone with a two layer VPN attached to a fake I'd, but if you leave your burner phone in a jacket pocket, then all that subterfuge is completely useless and in some cases exasperates the situation further. This is why I try to reduce as many "foreign objects" as possible. The advantages of a burner phone is that you can really leave "no trace" with it from a records / digital standpoint whereas something like Google Voice is a like parasitic fungus relentlessly trying to find and integrate itself into your personal data until you can no longer separate it cleanly. But I classify a burner as a "foreign object" that will raise alarms on sight. Your SO wouldn't even need the pin to unlock the phone, it's very presence is like her finding a hairbrush with strands of long wavy red hair. There's no clean explanation for it. Same thing with Vanilla VISA cards. They're not as incriminating as a burner phone, but it's a foreign object.
So I think it's important to strike a balance between subterfuge to conceal a paper trail between leaving foreign objects around. Because 8 times out of 10, guys get busted for leaving the "tape in the VCR". This is also why I recommend using the technique of "hiding in plain sight" for some things. This gives you some margin of error and you can see ahead of time if someone is getting too close to the cookie jar. For example, if you're going to use Vanilla Visa cards, start using them in your everyday life with your SO. Find some excuse to use prepaid cards like for budgeting or identify theft reasons. This way if you leave your sugar prepaid card lying around, your SO won't bat an eye because she thinks it's the same one you use for DoorDash. So I think it's important to strike a balance in techniques and always err on the side of reducing foreign objects.
BTW, having a sugar baby in your car is always risky. Her scent, her leaving hair ties, and etc. Having a SB in your car is like a spore for foreign objects. But if you're going to do it, make sure no one goes into or uses your car for 24 hours if it can be helped. You should examine your car in full daylight and drive it some for foreign objects to be dislodged from hidden places and to have the windows down to help get rid of strong odors. So right after you drop of your SB, you should do a deep cleaning of your car, and then 12-18 hours later do another cleaning in bright conditions to make sure you got everything. But for God's sake don't let your SO in your car within just a few hours of driving your SB around town and having backseat sex.
Scammers
Briefly about the college time waster from Germany. I hate to break it to you, but she's fake. Or at the very least not in San Diego. Those SA geolocation things are pretty accurate and they're for your benefit. But let's say her location says "United States" and yet something still feels off. I usually do something like this to see if she really does live in my area. I'll say some of the following:
"Wow, crazy weather we had yesterday, right?
*If she claims to live in downtown*.
"What do you think of *popular downtown restaurant*.
*After you ask her for her favorite foods*.
"What are some of the good places that serve that dish?
"Have you been to a San Diego 49 ers game before?
Of course a diligent person could lookup and research the answers for all of these. But 9 times out of 10, scammers are lazy. If they can't answer something, they'll just give a vague answer or deflect. One or two vague answers can be normal, but if the person you're chatting with consistently gives you vague, wrong, or non-answers to questions related to the local area or meeting up in person, then chances are high she doesn't actually live in the area.
I also like college girls that haven't become "pro-sugar babies" yet. They can sometimes require a little more massaging and patience but once it gets going the arrangement can feel more natural. That said, if a girl is actually serious about pursing an arrangement, they are usually eager to meet within a week of chatting. Sometimes schedule conflicts may push it by a couple of weeks. But if you've been chatting for over a week and there hasn't been any talk of meeting and person, then it's a waste of time. Most legit girls in a local area, want to meet right away. If they don't want to meet it's either because they don't live in the area, they want an online-only arrangement, they're not serious / ready for an arrangement, or they already have a sugar daddy and they're setting you as a backup.
My current sugar baby is a college girl who was completely new to arrangements and we met within 3 days of chatting. And we've been seeing each other for 6 months now. Remember if a girl is actually in college and if she's attractive, she's constantly meeting and hanging with people all the time. College girls aren't shy about meeting new people And she shouldn't be overly shy / reluctant to meet with you unless you're literally inviting her to your dungeon on the first date.
OK, here is some advice that is blunt. Sorry that it isn't PC. If you can get past the style....
As others have said you need to get down to brass tacks yourself in your approach! Look, there are a TONNE of guys out there that are too inept to meet, scared to meet or who just get off jacking off to convos with girls. Girls get tired of dealing with them. You need to distinguish yourself from those dudes.
Remember as you are sizing her up she is sizing you up. Be straight forward after a few texts that you want to meet. What I read there was WAY too circumspect. Get to the point! It is Not her job to ASK you to meet. No girl is going to say she is there to sell her pussy. Some girls want to be sought after, wanted. I don't see that in what you wrote. It is too round about.
Ask her when she is free to meet for coffee, drinks, dinner, lunch, etc. Suggest a couple of times that are good for you. Also suggest a place. That is a DEFINITIVE offer that she can evaluate and accept, refuse or counter. That will get her off go. DO NOT offer to pay for any funds for a Meet & Greet! The M&G is a job interview. You see if she is honest, straight forward, as shown in pics and someone you will be comfortable getting naked with. She will be sizing you up: can he pay? Is he looking for ongoing or one time? Is he going to hurt me or kill me? Also at the meet & greet you can discuss her vision of "help" for her time. Follow the same rule as SW: never talk sex and money of any kind of remuneration..You need to be a man and act like one.
First, clear the air. "so you're friend told you to get on SA. Has she had an actual in-person arrangement?" so you can have some sense of what she really knows, and she can reveal "what her friend has done with a man 2 x a her age" , so you can follow up accordingly. If she says she doesn't know, or its just been virtual, then lay it out for her.
Secondly, make a plan, but be clear and respectful. I always tell them meetings are to make sure we click in person as well as we have in messaging. And while I'm not morally opposed to running to the nearest hotel if the sparks fly, its not my expectation on a first meeting. Again, laying it out for her, but setting a fairly respectful boundary and expectation.
Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380e
Member #6575
05-19-21, 10:22
She is a strange gal for sure -- but she is real and 19/20 yo -- she does like sex and I am fairly sure no drugs. She might be a little ADD. Or somewhere in that spectrum. She had a little chunkiness going on when I saw her last year -- perhaps she has lost weight. She only meets people she likes and wants to fuck. You did miss a good fuck -- clean and tight pussy.
Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380e
Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380eI saw her last fall, she is a little unique andsupposedly went to Europe to school for a short time. She now wants $$$$ per meet. This is a quite a bit more than last time. Not sure the maturity level is there.
Hungre1234
05-19-21, 18:05
Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380eIf you're polite enough and can put up with her quirkiness she'll meet you right in the room first time. She knows the game. She's definitely on the spectrum and has some manish facial features and hands but the rest of her is pretty tight. I saw her a few months back, I read about her on the forum first so I politely took a shot and invited her to my room and she jumped on it. She accepted 200 but she did complain a little at first. She showed up in this baggy NYPD hoodie LOL and I thought between her face and what I thought was a rail thin body I'd messed up but then she dropped her clothes and man she's have a nice body. She's worth it at least once because like others said the kitty is good.
John G Smith
05-21-21, 05:41
I just spent the last hour or so reading all my posts and others in the Sugar Daddy highlights and index thread. Many of those posts are from 6-10 years ago. Surprisingly a lot of the advice is still relevant today, but there are also some changes. Here are just a few of my random thoughts on the things that have changed and the things that have remained the same.
Things that are the Same
- Surprisingly I would say we're still in the Golden Age of the Bowl. I thought the Golden Age would run for about 4-5 years in the early 2010's, but if anything arrangements have become more widespread and common place among college-aged girls. Yes there are a few more scams you got to dodge and the average allowance has probably gone up a bit. I don't dare offer a girl a 100 ppm anymore if she looks anything above a 6. Even back in the day it was a bit tough but sometimes you could nab a good-looking short-term SB for that amount. However nowadays at least in SoCal that amount is a complete non-starter 90% of the time. So there's been a little bit of inflation but the pool of girls is much larger now. So maybe 8-9 years ago I was able to get more girls at a lower allowance, but over the last 3 years I've definitely had hotter women because of the larger pool. A "cheap" allowance won't get you far anymore, but I've gotten a lot of mileage from "mid-range" allowances.
- It's still important to pace yourself and keep your stable a manageable size based off your given situation. So all the advice over the years about how to manage your sugar babies, all still super relevant today.
Things that that have Changed
- It's gotten harder to do recon on a Pot. Before when I asked to exchange an email or a phone number with a SB, I could just plug that into Facebook and I would get her real name, location, friends, aditional photos, and see how crazy or normal she was. But now most 20-something girls don't use Facebook and FB disabled the email / phone lookup option for obvious privacy reasons. Some girls will share their Instagram, but that doesn't necessarily "unmask" them like the old Facebook page used to. Not everyone uses their real name with Instagram and there's no age or location data like FB. So it's definitely become harder for me to do research on a SB Pot. Once I actually start seeing a SB, it usually takes me several weeks to slowly figure out who she really is. There's some I never completely figured out. I would love to hear how guys do research on pots nowadays.
- Venmo, Cash App, Zelle, and etc. Ugh. Girls love these but it's definitely increased the amount of girls doing "Tips for Pix" and "Send me gas money to travel to you" scams. Even in a regular arrangement, it encourages girls to hit you up for money constantly without seeing you. At the beginning of every arrangement I nix those at the bud. I tell them it's too insecure for me to use those instant app transactions, which is partially true. I'll tell them I'll give cash at the beginning and then give them a reloadable prepaid card when I feel the arrangement is ready.
- I know there's been some good advice about "leaving no trace" but if you have a long-term sugar baby I've found it's pretty much impossible to obscure your identify after awhile in this day and age. So many things and places just don't really use cash anymore, almost everything is digital and at some point your real name is probably going to show up on something if you take your SB out on dates to places. I don't need to be as discreet as I used to be, but I still have to be careful. Yet I've basically decided if I'm seeing a SB for more than a month or two, I know her real name, she's not too inquisitive, and she's not a psycho, then I usually tell her some very basic info about me. Just saves a lot of headaches. I rather focus my concealment tactics on the homefront. It just feels like swimming upstream in this digital age trying to conceal everything about yourself to a SB. But I"m sure some here will disagree and that's fine.
There's more but I'm curious to hear what others see as things that have changed and things that have stayed the same over the years.
So there's been a little bit of inflation but the pool of girls is much larger now. So maybe 8-9 years ago I was able to get more girls at a lower allowance, but over the last 3 years I've definitely had hotter women because of the larger pool. A "cheap" allowance won't get you far anymore, but I've gotten a lot of mileage from "mid-range" allowances.
Hi John -- I think you're pretty spot on with your assessment of then vs now. Sugaring for young pretty girls has lost a lot of its stigma over the past few years, as has selling pics for cash over cashapp or venmo. Girls who have an immediate and continued need for cash (because drugs, usually) or aren't blessed in the looks department tend to use Skipthegames, while those who are better looking and able to wait a bit can hold out for someone wealthier, willing to spend more and are able to feed their "I'm not actually a prostitute" rationalization hamster by making things feel a bit more like a date.
I'm interested to know what you consider a "mid-range" allowance these days. And for you, is that PPM or an actual allowance?
I personally don't have a problem giving the right girl a significant amount of money over time, but I do want to get a good and repeating return on my investment in the form of in-person dates and alone time. A lot of girls in my area seem to be thinking more along the lines of hooking up once or twice for a huge wad of cash.
Things that that have Changed
- It's gotten harder to do recon on a Pot. Before when I asked to exchange an email or a phone number with a SB, I could just plug that into Facebook and I would get her real name, location, friends, aditional photos, and see how crazy or normal she was. But now most 20-something girls don't use Facebook and FB disabled the email / phone lookup option for obvious privacy reasons. Some girls will share their Instagram, but that doesn't necessarily "unmask" them like the old Facebook page used to. Not everyone uses their real name with Instagram and there's no age or location data like FB. So it's definitely become harder for me to do research on a SB Pot. Once I actually start seeing a SB, it usually takes me several weeks to slowly figure out who she really is. There's some I never completely figured out. I would love to hear how guys do research on pots nowadays.
I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.
MoCheeks65
05-21-21, 10:19
I just spent the last hour or so reading all my posts and others in the Sugar Daddy highlights and index thread. Many of those posts are from 6-10 years ago. Surprisingly a lot of the advice is still relevant today, but there are also some changes. Here are just a few of my random thoughts on the things that have changed and the things that have remained the same.So true about the apps that let you send money. Been in the game for about 5 years and that is now my biggest issue. I am cash only till I build a relationship, then I can set them up on a prepaid card. In my area the other thing that has developed recently is nannies, we get a bunch from outside the country and almost all of them want to supplement income and get to see more of the US culture. I have to say the nannies from brazil are a cut above. Inhibited, fun and sexy!
FarFarAway
05-21-21, 14:13
I recently posted a photo of a OneVanilla card, one of the most reliable prepaid debit cards to pay for a SA membership without giving up personal info or risking a charge showing up on a statement a SO would see. I needed a prepaid for an upcoming trip to a major city where I am trying to book in advance several 'road babies' (RBs). I went back to my usual pharmacy, and I no longer see OneVanilla cards. I have heard this also from some SDs I am in touch with off this site.
In their place is a new card. It looks somewhat like the old OneVanilla, in that it has a vertical window in the packaging. Essentially none of the other prepaids in the rack are presented that way. However, rather than being called OneVanilla, this one is SecureSpend. The website to look them up is also based on that name. So, the question is, will this card do what the old OneVanilla would do, be taken by SA? I hope someone will TOFTT and post about it. I have just spent a month active on each of my profiles, I have enough POTs at home and on the road to last me for a while. I did intend to get a card that I would eventually be able to use on SA, just in case I didn't spend these funds on my trip.
In CA at this time, there are more than a few businesses that aren't taking cash at all. You must use a card, or other electronic payment. I have been relying on the girl to do it and then giving her cash to cover, but not my preferred dynamic.
FarFarAway
05-21-21, 14:22
I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.I view finding out the girl's true identity as part of insurance. There aren't too many examples in the recent thread, but when I began, there were guys telling horror stories about girls going nuts, showing up at their houses, whatever. Knowing as much as you can about a girl, her true identity, home address, etc. , can be a strong hand to play should the relationship ever turn south. I sometimes luck into this kind of info about even a POT. I don't think it is really that useful, but do file it away. It's not like I can pressure her with her true identity to go to the FC with me.
I am seeing a girl for 3 months now. She's as sweet as sugar, we have a real connection, zero complaints. I do have her real name (from the TV in the hotel room I get her to book for us) and her license plate on her vehicle. With the latter and $40, I get her home address. I have not taken that step but could easily if I ever needed to.
I also posted recently, to no response, about the use of FB Messenger to track down girls. If that still worked. At one point, if you put it on your phone, it searched your contacts for girls w / FB and showed you their profile names there. Does anyone know about this?
FarFarAway
05-21-21, 14:30
I have a couple of profiles on SA. None of the photos is of me, they are of someone who looks like me, and are cropped at the nose as if they really were me and I was trying to keep my anonymity, like many people do. I have used them for years, literally. I log into my profile I've been using most recently the other day, and two of my pics have "Denied" across them. Some dolt at SA decided to go through and disqualfy them. I had a photo on my other profile I moved over, but I have really been trying to keep them different enough that if I had struck out once w / a girl with that profile, I could come back to them with a different strategy from the other.
There are all sorts of things they say that the pics and profiles must conform to, and then mostly do nothing to enforce that. Just know that getting it up on the site isn't a guarantee it will stay.
Hungre1234
05-21-21, 16:30
- Surprisingly I would say we're still in the Golden Age of the Bowl. I thought the Golden Age would run for about 4-5 years in the early 2010's, but if anything arrangements have become more widespread and common place among college-aged girls.Some good points, the only thing I'd say in contrast is that I don't really think there's ever going to be a peak to this. So long as there is broke college girls that are tired of the immaturity and cheapness of boys their own age and where the experience and wealth of older men look appealing, the bowl will flourish. The price may fluctuate but gold is always gold. Otherwise, I'd agree with your points.
John G Smith
05-22-21, 05:40
I'm interested to know what you consider a "mid-range" allowance these days. And for you, is that PPM or an actual allowance?
I personally don't have a problem giving the right girl a significant amount of money over time, but I do want to get a good and repeating return on my investment in the form of in-person dates and alone time. A lot of girls in my area seem to be thinking more along the lines of hooking up once or twice for a huge wad of cash.I would say "mid-range" is relative to your area, But around where I'm at, I'd say it's about 250-400 (scaled to ppm) is mid-range. Also simply rephrasing things can make a huge difference. One girl I was talking to was iffy on 250 ppm but when I said it was basically a 1,000 - 1,500 per month allowance broken into pieces, she was a lot more interested. Keep in mind, a good chunk of girls who've been in the Bowl beyond 6 months or so, get tired of the merry-go-round and also want something consistent. So if you start speaking in long-term language, they'll be more intrigued. It's typically the brand new girls who think they can get $3,000 - 5,000 monthly allowance because "that's what their friend got". LOL.
I'm also willing to give a girl a good amount for a nice consistent arrangement. I'm currently in a 6 month arrangement with college senior and it's been a good investment. She's drop-dead gorgeous and she's been very attentive and appreciative towards me. I'm giving her a "mid-range" allowance and at first she leaning towards getting a "huge" allowance like what her friends were supposedly getting. But I told her the value of a consistent arrangement (if she did her part too) and how it would quickly start adding up. By Month #2 is when it really hit her how beneficial the arrangement was and all her roommates love me because she's able to buy them dinner and things all the time. She can also skip a work shift or two if she's slammed with homework or has mid-terms. After 6 months, she's probably received 5 figures in allowance by now. This is what many girls who street-walk SA 24/7 don't understand. Instead of bouncing from guy to guy trying to get a big payday for a couple of meets, they'll actually make more in the long run if they're actually able to be consistent and attentive to a reliable SD.
I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.Agreed. It's definitely paramount how a girl behaves around you. However knowing some basic information is just a good insurance policy. For example knowing her real name and what school she went to means you have a lead if something odd happens or things go south quickly. What I mean is if she steals something from you, threatens to expose you, or simply starts getting too curious about certain personal details then you can put her in check if needed. Also if she needs to be discreet then it's basically mutually assured destruction so things won't get out of hand. My current SB knows some of my basic info, but I know a lot more about her. Also in the event you need to reach out to them sometime in the future, you have a lead. I'm just not comfortable seeing a girl for a length of time that's completely anonymous.
In my area the other thing that has developed recently is nannies, we get a bunch from outside the country and almost all of them want to supplement income and get to see more of the US culture. I have to say the nannies from brazil are a cut above. Inhibited, fun and sexy!Interesting! Yeah noticed about 2-3 years ago in my area. About two years ago there was a surge of Colombian nannies, LOL. It's exactly what you said, they often want some supplemental income and to just get out of the house. A couple of years ago I saw two Colombian nannies. Amazing sex. Unfortunately neither really lasted more than a couple of dates. Logistically it wasn't very convenient and I gave them a decent allowance but it was something that could easily be outbid. It was a cool thing to check off my bucket list but their schedules and a couple of other things just didn't make it conducive for a long-term arrangement so I kind of held back.
I view finding out the girl's true identity as part of insurance. There aren't too many examples in the recent thread, but when I began, there were guys telling horror stories about girls going nuts, showing up at their houses, whatever. Knowing as much as you can about a girl, her true identity, home address, etc. , can be a strong hand to play should the relationship ever turn south. I sometimes luck into this kind of info about even a POT. I don't think it is really that useful, but do file it away. It's not like I can pressure her with her true identity to go to the FC with me.Mutually Assured Destruction.
If they have a respectable job or show signs of being close with Family, chances are they aren't going to blow up your life when you eventually dump them or forget to untie them till the next morning.
I'd always rather meet someone I've vetted as real, and most girls these days don't really worry much about OpSec, only because they don't realize there are guys who will use that info against them.
Member #7176
05-26-21, 10:49
I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.
Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.
Mutually Assured Destruction.
If they have a respectable job or show signs of being close with Family, chances are they aren't going to blow up your life when you eventually dump them or forget to untie them till the next morning.
I'd always rather meet someone I've vetted as real, and most girls these days don't really worry much about OpSec, only because they don't realize there are guys who will use that info against them.
Member #6575
05-26-21, 16:37
I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.
Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.For gods sake -- get snipped!! I would have babies all over the world otherwise!! 25-50 buck copay! Inpatient -- just need a buddy to take you home.
I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.
Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.
For gods sake -- get snipped!! I would have babies all over the world otherwise!! 25-50 buck copay! Inpatient -- just need a buddy to take you home.Seriously. I just don't understand why anyone would mess around with the possibility of paying for all the shit that comes with 18 years of child support. I got snipped and it's just so freeing to dump loads with impunity. I don't even tell them I'm fixed unless they ask.
True story. Had a guy that worked for me years ago get found by some one-nighter he didn't know well. Took her 14 years to find him and he got hit with all the back pay. So even if you don't hear something and think you're out of the woods, you aren't.
I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.
Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.Holy hell, this post gives me anxiety. What the f*.
Plan B should not be used for birth control -- it's not that reliable. That said, it's a pill full of hormones and it does mess with the girls' monthly schedule. So it's not surprising if she's off if you've been pumping baby batter and plan b into her.
Member #7176
05-26-21, 18:54
I'm in my 30's and have no children. I want to start a family some day. So not going to snip it. My main fetish are creampies too. So I will keep rolling the dice for now. Just started filling up a single 21 years old mom right now. Need to get her on the pill soon, because as my post say Plan B isn't 100%.
For gods sake -- get snipped!! I would have babies all over the world otherwise!! 25-50 buck copay! Inpatient -- just need a buddy to take you home.
I'm in my 30's and have no children. I want to start a family some day. So not going to snip it. My main fetish are creampies too. So I will keep rolling the dice for now. Just started filling up a single 21 years old mom right now. Need to get her on the pill soon, because as my post say Plan B isn't 100%.Vasectomy is highly reversible; it's quick outpatient surgery with 2 or 3 week recovery but to each his own.
It's not cheap to do
Vasectomy is highly reversible; it's quick outpatient surgery with 2 or 3 week recovery but to each his own..
NotBob2014
05-27-21, 18:07
She reads these forums but probably doesn't care anymore. As mentioned in previous posts, drives a white Mercedes, and had been around for a long time. Cover up! Cream pie was great. Not sure why I lived so dangerous and stupid. As all attractive girls, this one is a little crazy but smart. Age is always older than her profile on SA / Seeking (which turns off occasionally). It was a fun ride but the crazy part became an issue. Won't go near anymore but there is a long line of guys that will. Not a Sugarbaby. This one is a professional.
I saw her a couple times a couple years ago. Good looking, very skilled and very tight. She wanted $300 a visit but I got her to $200. We always went to eat after and she would order a ton of takeout to take home. Guessing she has a big family to feed.
Member #7176
05-27-21, 18:44
Spot on she always get a ton of takeout. I just think she eats the leftovers for the next few days. Nice curves and big boobs. My biggest problem with her is that she always thinks and talk in a very negative view of her self and the world. Just makes me sad talking to her. Yes, creampie can be had, but clearly she also has high turnover of SDs.
She reads these forums but probably doesn't care anymore. As mentioned in previous posts, drives a white Mercedes, and had been around for a long time. Cover up! Cream pie was great. Not sure why I lived so dangerous and stupid. As all attractive girls, this one is a little crazy but smart. Age is always older than her profile on SA / Seeking (which turns off occasionally). It was a fun ride but the crazy part became an issue. Won't go near anymore but there is a long line of guys that will. Not a Sugarbaby. This one is a professional.
Vasectomy is highly reversible; it's quick outpatient surgery with 2 or 3 week recovery but to each his own.
It's not cheap to do
.It's cheaper than 18 years of child support, which he's on track for if he continues on his path. To each his own, and better him than me!
Member #7176
05-28-21, 09:38
I have a creampie fetish, so I'm not one to pull out. I did talk to my new 21 year old SB. She agree to get on the pill now. I never had a problem with any BC till this year with Plan B. I don't plan to use plan B as a main type of birth control anymore. I've had ex GFs count their cycles, and never had a problem. I always ask my SBs if they would keep it, if I did impregnate them most said no. Only had one ex SB who said she would keep it. She was on the pill, but I still pull out 80% of the time with her.
It's cheaper than 18 years of child support, which he's on track for if he continues on his path. To each his own, and better him than me!
I have a creampie fetish, so I'm not one to pull out. I did talk to my new 21 year old SB. She agree to get on the pill now. I never had a problem with any BC till this year with Plan B. I don't plan to use plan B as a main type of birth control anymore. I've had ex GFs count their cycles, and never had a problem. I always ask my SBs if they would keep it, if I did impregnate them most said no. Only had one ex SB who said she would keep it. She was on the pill, but I still pull out 80% of the time with her.Counting on an SB to keep their agreement to "not keep it" is seriously misguided thinking. I'd guess most of us enjoy emptying out inside a nice young pussy, so you aren't a lone star in the sky regarding that. As others have indicated, you stand a good chance of letting that live ammo of yours cause long term problems for you. Best of luck.
The pill isn't 100 % effective, especially if they don't take in daily. I wouldn't trust a young SB to say "yes, I take it every day".
I have a creampie fetish, so I'm not one to pull out. I did talk to my new 21 year old SB. She agree to get on the pill now. I never had a problem with any BC till this year with Plan B. I don't plan to use plan B as a main type of birth control anymore. I've had ex GFs count their cycles, and never had a problem. I always ask my SBs if they would keep it, if I did impregnate them most said no. Only had one ex SB who said she would keep it. She was on the pill, but I still pull out 80% of the time with her.
PussyPumper
05-28-21, 15:34
I have a long term stay in Europe coming up. Anyone know of a site like this with info on sugar scene in different Euro countries?
Cheers.
So, curious if anyone else has tried AFF latelty? I did about 10 years ago back in CA and had some decent success. When I loved to VA, I've used Seeking with similar success but much higher price tag with the membership. Just curious what you all are doing / using to snag some fun. I get maybe 2 x per month to play so want to make the most of it (travel too damn much and SO at home). Would love to find an easy going girl to simply text, meet up, and have some fun but don't want to pay $ a month for a damn membership to find / communicate with one. Any thoughts / advice would be great.
I always ask my SBs if they would keep it, if I did impregnate them most said no.I wouldn't bet the house on those statements, or try to take any of them to the bank. Of course most girls will say "no, of course I wouldn't keep it" while they're talking to their human wallet and not currently preggo. And as guys we all think, "Of course she won't want to keep the baby. It's not like we're married, and there's like a 20-30 year age difference, and this is no environment to raise a child and surely she'll know that I won't leave my wife and kids so she'll be doing this on her own and that's super hard. " That's common sense, right? But once pregnancy happens, with some of them (and you never know which ones), the hormones will kick in and she'll realize that she's got this little miracle baaaaaaaabbbbbyyyy growing inside of her and all bets are off. And once sperm and egg meet, the woman has 1000% control, rights and decision making power. Uncle Sam will step in and make sure of that.
So when you ask if she would keep the baby if she got pregnant, or if she's taking the pill regularly and correctly, or even what part of her cycle she's in, realize that just like many of us guys here are "looking for love in all the wrong places", you're looking for logic and reason in all the wrong places.
Be careful, friend.
I wouldn't bet the house on those statements, or try to take any of them to the bank. Yeah. About to write a 50 k check to settle with a babymama from 22 years ago. Not a SB but a bar hookup, paid for the clinic at the time and then she backed out. Snip it or sleeve it. I wasn't even smart enough to learn then, till about 6-7 years ago a SB told me she was late. Turned out to be a false alarm but I couldn't get it cut fast enough after that. Like he said, once it's fertilized she owns you and there is NOTHING you can do.
StayAnonymous
05-28-21, 20:42
Whats a two layer vpn?
Really great advice especially in relation to current tech and resources.
But I would just caution you can have an anonymous burner phone with a two layer VPN attached to a fake I'd, but if you leave your burner phone in a jacket pocket, then all that subterfuge is completely useless and in some cases exasperates the situation further. This is why I try to reduce as many "foreign objects" as possible. The advantages of a burner phone is that you can really leave "no trace" with it from a records / digital standpoint whereas something like Google Voice is a like parasitic fungus relentlessly trying to find and integrate itself into your personal data until you can no longer separate it cleanly. But I classify a burner as a "foreign object" that will raise alarms on sight. Your SO wouldn't even need the pin to unlock the phone, it's very presence is like her finding a hairbrush with strands of long wavy red hair. There's no clean explanation for it. Same thing with Vanilla VISA cards. They're not as incriminating as a burner phone, but it's a foreign object.
So I think it's important to strike a balance between subterfuge to conceal a paper trail between leaving foreign objects around. Because 8 times out of 10, guys get busted for leaving the "tape in the VCR". This is also why I recommend using the technique of "hiding in plain sight" for some things. This gives you some margin of error and you can see ahead of time if someone is getting too close to the cookie jar. For example, if you're going to use Vanilla Visa cards, start using them in your everyday life with your SO. Find some excuse to use prepaid cards like for budgeting or identify theft reasons. This way if you leave your sugar prepaid card lying around, your SO won't bat an eye because she thinks it's the same one you use for DoorDash. So I think it's important to strike a balance in techniques and always err on the side of reducing foreign objects.
BTW, having a sugar baby in your car is always risky. Her scent, her leaving hair ties, and etc. Having a SB in your car is like a spore for foreign objects. But if you're going to do it, make sure no one goes into or uses your car for 24 hours if it can be helped. You should examine your car in full daylight and drive it some for foreign objects to be dislodged from hidden places and to have the windows down to help get rid of strong odors. So right after you drop of your SB, you should do a deep cleaning of your car, and then 12-18 hours later do another cleaning in bright conditions to make sure you got everything. But for God's sake don't let your SO in your car within just a few hours of driving your SB around town and having backseat sex.
Scammers
Briefly about the college time waster from Germany. I hate to break it to you, but she's fake. Or at the very least not in San Diego. Those SA geolocation things are pretty accurate and they're for your benefit. But let's say her location says "United States" and yet something still feels off. I usually do something like this to see if she really does live in my area. I'll say some of the following:
"Wow, crazy weather we had yesterday, right?
*If she claims to live in downtown*.
"What do you think of *popular downtown restaurant*.
*After you ask her for her favorite foods*.
"What are some of the good places that serve that dish?
"Have you been to a San Diego 49 ers game before?
Of course a diligent person could lookup and research the answers for all of these. But 9 times out of 10, scammers are lazy. If they can't answer something, they'll just give a vague answer or deflect. One or two vague answers can be normal, but if the person you're chatting with consistently gives you vague, wrong, or non-answers to questions related to the local area or meeting up in person, then chances are high she doesn't actually live in the area.
I also like college girls that haven't become "pro-sugar babies" yet. They can sometimes require a little more massaging and patience but once it gets going the arrangement can feel more natural. That said, if a girl is actually serious about pursing an arrangement, they are usually eager to meet within a week of chatting. Sometimes schedule conflicts may push it by a couple of weeks. But if you've been chatting for over a week and there hasn't been any talk of meeting and person, then it's a waste of time. Most legit girls in a local area, want to meet right away. If they don't want to meet it's either because they don't live in the area, they want an online-only arrangement, they're not serious / ready for an arrangement, or they already have a sugar daddy and they're setting you as a backup.
My current sugar baby is a college girl who was completely new to arrangements and we met within 3 days of chatting. And we've been seeing each other for 6 months now. Remember if a girl is actually in college and if she's attractive, she's constantly meeting and hanging with people all the time. College girls aren't shy about meeting new people And she shouldn't be overly shy / reluctant to meet with you unless you're literally inviting her to your dungeon on the first date.
Whats a two layer vpn?It's a muliti-hop VPN.
What is a multi-hop VPN and do you need one? (https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/multi-hop-vpn/)
https://www.seeking.com/member/e147386c-5b29-4b8b-a342-274b6849e9f8 -- not her first rodeo. NOT slim, more athletic to average. Willig to host, has pole in her bedroom. Wants $700, BBFS, no back door action.
https://www.seeking.com/member/c9fa5150-22ae-4de8-acca-9a238d20cfa5 - insatiatble appetite, flexible work sked, happy with $300. All roads open and very kinky.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ffac82dc-0e41-4b77-a87a-d26de8e5bed9 -- good initial convo, seems to get it, but seems to busy to meet.
https://www.seeking.com/member/8c9a8e21-f4f9-44d0-bddb-1bbe330703c8 - would be worth the drive up 95. High sex drive, great convo very open to all kinds of situations.
https://www.seeking.com/member/e8304111-550e-46a3-9dbf-bb4f8fa0ebfb - in OBX for the summer, looking for virtual / online till she returns.
Yeah. About to write a 50 k check to settle with a babymama from 22 years ago. Not a SB but a bar hookup, paid for the clinic at the time and then she backed out. Snip it or sleeve it. I wasn't even smart enough to learn then, till about 6-7 years ago a SB told me she was late. Turned out to be a false alarm but I couldn't get it cut fast enough after that. Like he said, once it's fertilized she owns you and there is NOTHING you can do.Did you get identified bunt using Ancestry.com or 32 & Me DNA testing? I know a ton of people that are finding relatives, including kids thy or a family member didn't know existed.
If you have deposited baby batter in anyone, do yourself a huge favor & don't take the risk of outing yourself. I heard from a cousin years ago that I knocked up a hot single Mom when I was 18 or 19. She asked me not to pop in her but I did anyway.
I was young and inexperienced & hitting her doggie back when goths didn't do doggie. In the 70's doggie was like anal today.
FarFarAway
05-31-21, 09:51
There was caution about having a SB in your car (when you have a SO). I recommend taking your car to a full-service car wash ASAP after you meet. They will remove a lot of evidence, they could add a fragrance that will cover the SBs perfume, and if the SO wants to know why the seat position changed or whatever, you have a built-in excuse. I also see female workers at my car wash (this is in CA), their presence in the car is also a good cover.
Multi-hop VPN. Great example is TOR, which is a browser that jumps around to 4 different servers at different places all over the world before emerging onto the open internet. That way, there is no way someone can trace you based on your IP address. Be aware, though, there are other ways people on the web try to identify you, such as the MAC address on your device, even the size of your browser window.
Multi-hop VPN. Great example is TOR, which is a browser that jumps around to 4 different servers at different places all over the world before emerging onto the open internet. That way, there is no way someone can trace you based on your IP address. Be aware, though, there are other ways people on the web try to identify you, such as the MAC address on your device, even the size of your browser window.Not to get too detailed, but Tor is NOT a VPN. Not saying it doesn't provide some anonymity, but it's not the same thing as a VPN. The more you know and all that.
I have a long term stay in Europe coming up. Anyone know of a site like this with info on sugar scene in different Euro countries?
Cheers.I've done it and it's been fun but to be honest in Europe check out an FKK club. It will blow your mind and much less expensive.
There was caution about having a SB in your car (when you have a SO). I recommend taking your car to a full-service car wash ASAP after you meet. They will remove a lot of evidence, they could add a fragrance that will cover the SBs perfume, and if the SO wants to know why the seat position changed or whatever, you have a built-in excuse. I also see female workers at my car wash (this is in CA), their presence in the car is also a good cover.The whole SB in the car thing is such a pain. I've occasionally had SB dalliances at the same time as I've had a civilian girlfriend and I learned early on (never the hard way, thankfully) that having someone in the car can really leave a lot of evidence. From drug paraphernalia to scrunchies to barrettes to lighters to different color / different length hair and more, it seems like SBs shed incriminating crap on purpose. Like FFA, I go completely CSI on my car after every encounter and look in every nook and cranny for anything, including hairs. It's amazing where those get into.
Perfume is another trouble spot. I drive home with the windows and sunroof open (and the heat on full blast if it's cold), and leave them open overnight in the garage to further air things out. A place that almost got me once except for a quick lie is the seat belt. SBs will spray their neck / chest area with perfume which rubs off onto the seat belt, and that shit lasts forever, days to a week if they've overdone it. The only thing I've found that helps at all besides time is rubbing the offending area of the seat belt with a bounce dryer sheet. It reduces the perfume smell and replaces it with a fabric softener smell, which is much less noticeable and incriminating.
I have a long term stay in Europe coming up. Anyone know of a site like this with info on sugar scene in different Euro countries?
Cheers.There's always this one: http://internationalsexguide.nl/.
Did some recon and wanted to share some intel with my friends.
https://www.seeking.com/member/1f492861-6fa5-4b2c-925f-72c66452043a
Cute girl, really cute. Was cool to chat with via SA / text but wants $600 ppm. Her responses were a little dry / hit or miss so didn't feel like it was worth my time so moved on. *.
https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ec2e72-a3ae-40e2-baae-b753184c5836
Another one that was pretty quick to move to text. This one wants 200 for m&g and then additional 400 for fun. Wasn't willing to budge so put her in the gps category and threw her back to the sea.
https://www.seeking.com/member/c7236c88-a693-427b-8e61-89f31aeaca6e
I really wanted to like this one since I haven't been with an Asian in a little while. She is def not new to this and is expecting top dollar ($400+) so guard your wallets. Haha. I've moved on so hope someone else can enjoy.
EasyGoingJ
06-01-21, 15:30
Haven't been on AFF for years but I did find all (6- 10) of my first sb's on there back in the pre seeking days, lots of fun but I haven't been on AFF for years.
Maybe I'll take another look.
Did some recon and wanted to share some intel with my friends.
https://www.seeking.com/member/1f492861-6fa5-4b2c-925f-72c66452043a
Cute girl, really cute. Was cool to chat with via SA / text but wants $600 ppm. Her responses were a little dry / hit or miss so didn't feel like it was worth my time so moved on.Yeah, I got the same story from her. Plus she mentioned having TWO sugar dates on the same day a couple of weeks back, so take a number and wait to hear "Next".
John G Smith
06-01-21, 15:35
The whole SB in the car thing is such a pain. I've occasionally had SB dalliances at the same time as I've had a civilian girlfriend and I learned early on (never the hard way, thankfully) that having someone in the car can really leave a lot of evidence. From drug paraphernalia to scrunchies to barrettes to lighters to different color / different length hair and more, it seems like SBs shed incriminating crap on purpose. Like FFA, I go completely CSI on my car after every encounter and look in every nook and cranny for anything, including hairs. It's amazing where those get into.
Perfume is another trouble spot. I drive home with the windows and sunroof open (and the heat on full blast if it's cold), and leave them open overnight in the garage to further air things out. A place that almost got me once except for a quick lie is the seat belt. SBs will spray their neck / chest area with perfume which rubs off onto the seat belt, and that shit lasts forever, days to a week if they've overdone it. The only thing I've found that helps at all besides time is rubbing the offending area of the seat belt with a bounce dryer sheet. It reduces the perfume smell and replaces it with a fabric softener smell, which is much less noticeable and incriminating.Another little tip is to keep hand sanitizer in your car. After an outing with your SB, rub hand sanitizer up and down your forearms and put some around your neck. In the age of covid, your SO won't bat an eye that you smell of hand sanitizer. And because hand sanitizer has such a strong medical odor, people tend to pull away once they get a whiff of it. So your SO likely won't be taking long deep sniffs of you.
Member #7176
06-02-21, 23:36
She a load of BS. She sent me a pic of a home pregnancy test. I told her that I would take care of all expenses to remove the problem, but I need her to do the pee test before and after removal with me. She tells me a one excuse after another. Why she can't meetup. 1st she say I should trust her, and it's her body it has nothing to do with me. I told it has 18 years of child support for me. Then she said move farther away, and it would be a drive to see her. I told her I'm willing to meet any were with in 4 hrs drive. Then she say she business with work. I said you have at less half a day off we can meet any day your free. She say she move back with her ex and I can't come to her apt. I told her we never had any problems meeting at a hotel before. Then she say her Ex is controlling and requires her to share her location all the time. I told her that I can get a hotel close to a shopping Center and just leave her phone in the car for 15 mins while she meets up at hotel. She told me she will get back to me when she free.
This is the same girl who was in the middle of work and finals last month, but made time for me to creampie her. Now she only has work, but is too busy to meetup for 15 mins. 3 days now and no text now. Let's see what other reasons she finds to not do the pee test for me. Its been 3 days after her last msg. Let's see what other reasons she finds to avoid doing the pee test for me.
She a load of BS. She sent me a pic of a home pregnancy test. I told her that I would take care of all expenses to remove the problem, but I need her to do the pee test before and after removal with me. She tells me a one excuse after another. Why she can't meetup. 1st she say I should trust her, and it's her body it has nothing to do with me. I told it has 18 years of child support for me. Then she said move farther away, and it would be a drive to see her. I told her I'm willing to meet any were with in 4 hrs drive. Then she say she business with work. I said you have at less half a day off we can meet any day your free. She say she move back with her ex and I can't come to her apt. I told her we never had any problems meeting at a hotel before. Then she say her Ex is controlling and requires her to share her location all the time. I told her that I can get a hotel close to a shopping Center and just leave her phone in the car for 15 mins while she meets up at hotel. She told me she will get back to me when she free.
This is the same girl who was in the middle of work and finals last month, but made time for me to creampie her. Now she only has work, but is too busy to meetup for 15 mins. 3 days now and no text now. Let's see what other reasons she finds to not do the pee test for me. Its been 3 days after her last msg. Let's see what other reasons she finds to avoid doing the pee test for me.Same old, same old. Hoes don't lie a little bit or even most of the time. They literally lie non-stop, like every-single-word-out-of-their-mouth-lying! When will men learn? (Based on many posts I read on here: never.). Lobsid, good on you for having a good head on your shoulders and calling her out.
Same old, same old. Hoes don't lie a little bit or even most of the time. They literally lie non-stop, like every-single-word-out-of-their-mouth-lying! When will men learn? (Based on many posts I read on here: never.). Lobsid, good on you for having a good head on your shoulders and calling her out.Just to add why would anybody not strap up? Yea it feels good and all but holy crap unless you want a baby with this person. Strap the fuck up yall. These bitches are just looking for a permanent SD for the next 18 years and trust you will pay. Be safe think smart.
Member #7176
06-03-21, 12:09
You can say the same thing about hooking up with a escort or sugar. You can just jerk off, and reduce your risk to zero. We all have different needs, and what we are willing to risk. Try reading some of the street walking threads in the big cities. Those guys are bbfscip / greek on girls they know are hard drug users. I even told 1 forum member in NOVA not to bang a sugar I meetup with once last year, because I knew she had the gift that keeps giving. He told me he wouldn't, but I found out from another forum member that he still bbfscip that SB. We all have to make that personal decision on what we are willing to rise. I'm worried about STD more then if I impregnate a girl.
Just to add why would anybody not strap up? Yea it feels good and all but holy crap unless you want a baby with this person. Strap the fuck up yall. These bitches are just looking for a permanent SD for the next 18 years and trust you will pay. Be safe think smart.
DoneThatOnce
06-04-21, 11:17
Another little tip is to keep hand sanitizer in your car. After an outing with your SB, rub hand sanitizer up and down your forearms and put some around your neck. In the age of covid, your SO won't bat an eye that you smell of hand sanitizer. And because hand sanitizer has such a strong medical odor, people tend to pull away once they get a whiff of it. So your SO likely won't be taking long deep sniffs of you.Yet another tip is use Coppertone Sport Clear Cooling Gel Sunscreen. It is strong smelling stuff. My daily job is outside so always use sunscreen. Even the cat stays clear of me until I shower that stuff away. I also drink a spicy V8 juice on the way home to cover up any DATY breath.
Agreed. Was just my opinion and yes I didn't stress enough on the disease of it. Pregnancy is actually secondary to a lot of things you can get that can't be cured.
Member #7176
06-07-21, 23:05
She waits a week, and texted me today that she keeping it. I don't know how I should respond. Clearly she lying. She said she moved in with her ex BF. Wouldn't he wonder why if she suddenly got pregnant, especially since I'm Asian and she and her ex are both white. So what should I do.
1. Just ignore her.
2. Call out her lying.
3. Play along with her, and tell her I love the fact that I did breed her.
I'm leaning more towards option 1 or 3.
Same old, same old. Hoes don't lie a little bit or even most of the time. They literally lie non-stop, like every-single-word-out-of-their-mouth-lying! When will men learn? (Based on many posts I read on here: never.). Lobsid, good on you for having a good head on your shoulders and calling her out.
She waits a week, and texted me today that she keeping it. I don't know how I should respond. Clearly she lying. She said she moved in with her ex BF. Wouldn't he wonder why if she suddenly got pregnant, especially since I'm Asian and she and her ex are both white. So what should I do.
1. Just ignore her.
2. Call out her lying.
3. Play along with her, and tell her I love the fact that I did breed her.
I'm leaning more towards option 1 or 3.Of course she's not backing down. From your previous post it's obvious there is no baby (her insistence you can't see her pee on a stick). You have absolutely nothing to gain from even one more reply to this girl. #1 is the way to go. Ignore, block, and forget this chick. There is nothing left in this situation for you. All you'll do is prolong the inevitable. NEXT!
She waits a week, and texted me today that she keeping it. I don't know how I should respond. Clearly she lying. She said she moved in with her ex BF. Wouldn't he wonder why if she suddenly got pregnant, especially since I'm Asian and she and her ex are both white. So what should I do.
1. Just ignore her.
2. Call out her lying.
3. Play along with her, and tell her I love the fact that I did breed her.
I'm leaning more towards option 1 or 3.Do? #1 is the only reasonable option. I'm 100% with EvilTmp; there is no reason to continue engaging w this person. You're not fucking her any more, she lied about having your child and she tried to blackmail you; what more are you looking for?
Alkalinedio
06-08-21, 12:11
Ghost her my friend.
Stay safe.
AD.
She waits a week, and texted me today that she keeping it. I don't know how I should respond. Clearly she lying. She said she moved in with her ex BF. Wouldn't he wonder why if she suddenly got pregnant, especially since I'm Asian and she and her ex are both white. So what should I do.
1. Just ignore her.
2. Call out her lying.
3. Play along with her, and tell her I love the fact that I did breed her.
I'm leaning more towards option 1 or 3.
She waits a week, and texted me today that she keeping it. I don't know how I should respond. Clearly she lying. She said she moved in with her ex BF. Wouldn't he wonder why if she suddenly got pregnant, especially since I'm Asian and she and her ex are both white. So what should I do.
1. Just ignore her.
2. Call out her lying.
3. Play along with her, and tell her I love the fact that I did breed her.
I'm leaning more towards option 1 or 3.Now you have 3 votes for Option #1 - IGNORE HER! Don't forget to block her!
One technique a scammer uses is to keep in touch and keep you responding. Eventually they will break you down or wear you down where you will give in. But if you block them AND pledge to yourself to ignore them then it is over. Eventually with no replies she will run out of energy. But a prime example of why one needs OpSec when dating.
Here's some more 411 for ya guys.
https://www.seeking.com/member/59f74119-d6ce-4252-887b-7046f36ccd7c
This one is a hot mess. Moved quickly to text and first message she sends is "I need help with bills. " she sends a few pix but clearly she is a hot mess. Gives me an utr type of feeling.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0861aed3-2de1-4916-98cf-dba8e9d1ef7f
This one has no idea what she wants. It was like teeth trying to get her to indicate what she's looking for so I gave up. Too much work for little reward. *.
https://www.seeking.com/member/2a24f791-2707-4b14-a62b-25cdce4ee0e8
Not my usual type. Single mom with kid that lives with her. Was dtf pretty quickly. Very persistent for me to give her a price which threw me off. Maybe it's paranoia of hearing from Uncle LEO, she stopped responding after the agreed upon arrangement and location so oh well. *.
https://www.seeking.com/member/5155e0fb-b732-434e-a1c5-41c2dce79a70
When I initially emailed her I was a bit hesitant because it seemed too good to be true. Her first email back was "can I have your email and phone number" . Got the sense its spam so blocked her. *.
https://www.seeking.com/member/c95fc40d-0195-4ef5-9da9-8f4063577367
Nice girl but way too shy for me. She, admittedly said she was shy and wanted to take things slow. Thats not what I'm looking for so wished her to best. No exchange of arrangement details to share, sorry.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ad355f28-8718-45c7-aaa4-16784f4c96b2
Says car broke down and needs help. Just wants to sell pix. No intention of meeting up or starting something. *.
Does anyone have any real SB's they want to share? If so, hit me up. I've done so much digging and only a few are on the hooks. Appreciate it in advance fellas. Enjoy.
Any info on this one.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ec75648b-04e0-4c64-987b-9155d6aa4c49
Geechie Dan
06-10-21, 20:11
Any info on this one.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ec75648b-04e0-4c64-987b-9155d6aa4c49Personally I'd avoid any woman that tells me right off the bat that she's high maintenance, but that's just me.
Personally I'd avoid any woman that tells me right off the bat that she's high maintenance, but that's just me.Fat, entitled and high maintenance is no way to go through life, girl.
Member #7176
06-15-21, 14:24
Jayxbabyx.
https://www.seeking.com/member/92e2e7fb-40c1-4f96-a497-a1887410c0a4
So I'm haven't block her #, but I haven't responded to her, and already disable my old SA account. Will probably take it easy till July 4th. Hopefully, there will be new college girls during that time.
Just in case anyone wanted to hit up my fake baby momma. My hunting grounds are Baltimore to Fredericksburg. That why you will normally see me here, NOVA, or Baltimore thread. She half way between Baltimore and DC. She was fun before she lied about being pregnant. She is a squirter. Only drop her to make room for 21 year old single mom who I mentioned earlier (now on pill).
Now you have 3 votes for Option #1 - IGNORE HER! Don't forget to block her!
One technique a scammer uses is to keep in touch and keep you responding. Eventually they will break you down or wear you down where you will give in. But if you block them AND pledge to yourself to ignore them then it is over. Eventually with no replies she will run out of energy. But a prime example of why one needs OpSec when dating.
https://www.seeking.com/member/48d668c7-c311-4467-9aa2-e80a0f319381 - legit MILF hardbody. Dancer and fitness instructor. Relocated from PHL due to COVID. Mandatory cover, no exceptions, no anal, no choking no CIM or COF. Negotiable.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d3fbdaf8-a92a-45fc-918c-abc9e950941a - threesome smells like trouble.
https://www.seeking.com/member/6d6ba432-3be6-4b78-9198-d4d121a2dfe0 - not sure how this one stands upright.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d23015ae-7979-4279-bd94-9ff766977404 - says she's done this before. Seems totally DTF, but wants $400 and can't host.
https://www.seeking.com/member/9c6c7d86-fc6b-4954-91dd-a5c056fd5e0f - MILF lives about an hour from RVA, doesn't have car at moment. Fetish model, very kinky, very DTF. A little larger than appears in car mirror.
https://www.seeking.com/member/8545206c-e7cd-4951-8d52-75604cf343ac - Norfolk -- dated a 36 yo when she was 19. Seriously DTF.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d28f7632-3abb-445b-827e-ee8b5a89126b - RVA -0- not wanting to get rushed into bed.
Makethescoop
06-16-21, 13:51
https://www.seeking.com/member/6d6ba432-3be6-4b78-9198-d4d121a2dfe0 - not sure how this one stands upright.
This is a model named Ashley Bridges.
Met up with this VCU student for a quick car date. She's a real college girl, as others have said she is a little thick. Being young she carries it ok but she could stand to lose a few pounds. Anyway she was a good girl and started with a skilled BBBJ followed by BBFS in several positions. Finished by speaking greek to her until I BBFSCIA. https://www.seeking.com/member/e71be86c-9b66-43c7-87a5-2060f7a20e51.
Tried this 18 yo high school senior out, actually met her on tinder. She is VERY inexperienced which was both fun and challenging. She give a pretty bad BBBJ but got a little better after I instructed her. She won't consider BBFS, even tried my "forgot the condom" trick LOL. After several positions and breaks because she was having trouble with my size I blew in the bag. Might see her again, not sure.
https://www.seeking.com/member/1e9368ff-24a2-4293-843f-87f0c9cf4a3e
Anyone seen or have contact info for her? I'm willing to swap.
https://www.seeking.com/member/b5a9df19-0e77-4275-9c3f-1fa351ea08c2
Saw Meg recently, great time. Not the best body, but bareback everything and totally eager and freaky. At the end she begged me to finish inside. As always YMMV. https://www.seeking.com/member/1eef1765-5907-47b6-ac4b-2bc3af84e01e.
JWalker350
06-17-21, 16:20
I used Vannila prepaid Visa card for SA premium account fee and SA did not accept it. I did activate the zip code. How did you pay for yours? Off course, I do not want to use my bank credit cards. Thanks in advance.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d3fbdaf8-a92a-45fc-918c-abc9e950941a - threesome smells like trouble.
So that second one down looks like one I've been chatting with "https://www.seeking.com/member/7f337953-ddcd-44c7-957f-e9198b7a438d" - she wants 600 ppm or 2 k a month. Looks like she is bringing her man into the situation now with the profile you listed. Thanks for the heads up.
Saw Nelly recently, she is the black girl in the pic in the quoted post. She is TINY, freaky and very submissive. I'm not really into black girls but she was a treat. Rough deep BBBJ followed by an extremely rough BBFSCIP. She was even up for round 2. Nothing like a freaky teen under 5 feet tall catering to your every desire. https://www.seeking.com/member/16088e35-35c0-4fc7-bbf0-49e83c230d15.
Kevin. I'm right there with you! After the session, I left convinced that Liv would be open to BBFS. But I also figured she would be much more likely to fuck in a one on one and not a double. So I'm working on that as we speak. I think her friend is a bit of a "butterface", but she has a tight little body and sucks a good dick. But I also think she is less open to BBFS or any FS. And because they are young and inexperienced, I don't think Liv is really willing to fuck in front of her friend. I appreciate you confirming my theory. I now have a clear goal. LOL! BTW. I also think Liv is open to Greek. I tried a little ass play in our session and she perked up. It seemed like it turned her on during and after she told me she liked it. I'm pretty sure she's a bit of a dirty girl, but won't show her true colors in front of her friend.
Thanks for the feedback!
Starkey.
Geechie Dan
06-18-21, 12:45
Saw Nelly recently, she is the black girl in the pic in the quoted post. She is TINY, freaky and very submissive. I'm not really into black girls but she was a treat. Rough deep BBBJ followed by an extremely rough BBFSCIP. She was even up for round 2. Nothing like a freaky teen under 5 feet tall catering to your every desire. https://www.seeking.com/member/16088e35-35c0-4fc7-bbf0-49e83c230d15.How much for Nelli?
ItsAHobby45
06-18-21, 16:14
Tried this 18 yo high school senior out, actually met her on tinder. She is VERY inexperienced which was both fun and challenging. She give a pretty bad BBBJ but got a little better after I instructed her. She won't consider BBFS, even tried my "forgot the condom" trick LOL. After several positions and breaks because she was having trouble with my size I blew in the bag. Might see her again, not sure.
https://www.seeking.com/member/1e9368ff-24a2-4293-843f-87f0c9cf4a3eThat looks like a man. Did you link the right profile? She hasn't logged in since January.
Has anyone had any experience with this one. She says she had a bad experience and will not text to a app or burner phone. She wants to be able to search number and find out your name.
https://www.seeking.com/member/250743eb-0a72-420e-87a5-5ea1107f9a82
Cash and dashed me. Kinda shocked me LOL. After several perfectly no-drama meetings. Anyone else? Wonder what gave.
https://www.seeking.com/member/21f12ad6-9652-44ee-848d-1de4e538c8e0
NotBob2014
06-19-21, 14:29
Is she willing to do the same? Can you find her on FB and see 2+ years of pictures, history, etc? IMO, this is not a find a husband site. What GOOD reasons are there to share everything before you even meet? Crazy. Unrealistic. Don't be stupid, you know better; otherwise you wouldn't be inquiring on this page! Don't let the small brain take over and fuck your life up (again).
Has anyone had any experience with this one. She says she had a bad experience and will not text to a app or burner phone. She wants to be able to search number and find out your name.
https://www.seeking.com/member/250743eb-0a72-420e-87a5-5ea1107f9a82
Cash and dashed me. Kinda shocked me LOL. After several perfectly no-drama meetings. Anyone else? Wonder what gave.
https://www.seeking.com/member/21f12ad6-9652-44ee-848d-1de4e538c8e0I have had nothing but good experience with her, but there have been reports that she has done this before or will burn your phone up. Did you prepay, or what?
Is she willing to do the same? Can you find her on FB and see 2+ years of pictures, history, etc? IMO, this is not a find a husband site. What GOOD reasons are there to share everything before you even meet? Crazy. Unrealistic. Don't be stupid, you know better; otherwise you wouldn't be inquiring on this page! Don't let the small brain take over and fuck your life up (again).Oh I know better, and will never do it, just wondering if anyone else had any contact with her. Since I first started messaging her, I had almost the same conversation with one from Northern VA. Must be the new scam.
I have had nothing but good experience with her, but there have been reports that she has done this before or will burn your phone up. Did you prepay, or what?No man she showed up just like always, seemed happy to be there as always, said she needed to give the cash to her friend who was going to go do something which we have done before and then disappeared. Have a feeling if I texted her I could probably bang her this afternoon but I'm done. Always thought she was super cool but plenty of fish.
Cash and dashed me. Kinda shocked me LOL. After several perfectly no-drama meetings. Anyone else? Wonder what gave.
https://www.seeking.com/member/21f12ad6-9652-44ee-848d-1de4e538c8e0Yeah, I heard from other reliable sources that she is the real deal.
But had someone bail on my on the 3 rtd date for just the $100 hotel money I gave her an hour before.
Yeah, I heard from other reliable sources that she is the real deal.
But had someone bail on my on the 3 rtd date for just the $100 hotel money I gave her an hour before.She is nothing but trouble Nurse Lauren she has burned me so many times but I kept going back goes she's a good lay. But she will burn your phone and find every excuse there is to need money before. No matter how good she is she has a long history of BS she goes away awhile and then comes back I have warned guys on here before beware. I can't believe with such a small pool of people she still has takers. But I guess to some it's good enough to take a chance I would probably go back LOL it's that good but I wouldn't pay her to after. Hell if I still had her number I may bang her and not pay her I think she still owes me in fact I know she does. Anyone feel free PM her number and I will get her back. She still has some of the toys I bought I wouldn’t ever take them back but don’t let her offer you a cock ring lol 😂
I used Vannila prepaid Visa card for SA premium account fee and SA did not accept it. I did activate the zip code. How did you pay for yours? Off course, I do not want to use my bank credit cards. Thanks in advance.I've been paying for my membership for about a year & a half using the $100 Vanilla Card. I love it because at the end of the thirty days there's nothing left on it so my membership goes off.
Then I work all the new Babies I've gone to text with. Eventually I get way to intrigued by the new Babies I want to message or to message back ones that messaged me.
Just a tip. Don't buy the one that's reload able, the one that you can put $20-$500 on. I got that one once & it didn't work.
If you have the $100 one, try again. I did have to message SA once to get it to work, mainly because it kept saying I was entering the info wrong & the site locked me out.
Member #6575
06-20-21, 11:38
Yeah, I heard from other reliable sources that she is the real deal.
But had someone bail on my on the 3 rtd date for just the $100 hotel money I gave her an hour before.She is real -- but becoming UN-reliable -- she was always bad communicator and last minute only.
Also did the same thing to another friend. Then claimed her BF had tracked her and she had to dash -- with other evidence we believed her -- now I am not so sure and seeing a pattern.
Cannot post it here. But have a real FB page.
Grafenberg
06-20-21, 11:51
Cash and dashed me. Kinda shocked me LOL. After several perfectly no-drama meetings. Anyone else? Wonder what gave.
https://www.seeking.com/member/21f12ad6-9652-44ee-848d-1de4e538c8e0She was probably dope sick and needed her fix.
TennisStud90
06-20-21, 13:27
Hey all. I'm getting married soon and bought in on SA again (been on before) for one last fling before getting hitched. Can anyone point me in the direction of an attractive woman who is DTF? Don't have a lot of time for m&g or weeks of messaging. Thanks for any help you can give!
TheHobbyLobby
06-20-21, 14:54
So girl looks TGTBT. She replied back with what looks like a past reply. Wondering if anyone had any experience.
https://www.seeking.com/member/18b1e44e-3897-4484-b73f-0d64f781bed4
She was probably dope sick and needed her fix.I always wondered if she was on something was always jittery and fidgety and then some days like lethargic that would make sense I always thought she may be a pill addict but never saw proof.
ItsAHobby45
06-21-21, 15:32
She was probably dope sick and needed her fix.Lauren has a bad nose candy problem. I used to see her regularly for a quick and cheap $85 whatever I wanted. She was convenient to i95 and not horrible looking. Her bf worked during the days so I'd sneak in around 2 pm before he got home and fill her with my man juice. I only stopped because her daughter (probably 6) at the time would constantly scream to us upstairs asking if that weird man was gone yet and it just ruined the mood every time.
Member #6575
06-22-21, 09:29
Lauren has a bad nose candy problem. I used to see her regularly for a quick and cheap $85 whatever I wanted. She was convenient to i95 and not horrible looking. Her bf worked during the days so I'd sneak in around 2 pm before he got home and fill her with my man juice. I only stopped because her daughter (probably 6) at the time would constantly scream to us upstairs asking if that weird man was gone yet and it just ruined the mood every time.Daughter was removed from her and is with grandparents -- very restricted visitation -- and if she is spiraling out like it seems. Then she is not going to get her back any time soon.
Take care with her if you see her -- she is fun and good for deposits -- but control the situation and do NOT give her $ until she is leaving!
SA.
Daughter was removed from her and is with grandparents -- very restricted visitation -- and if she is spiraling out like it seems. Then she is not going to get her back any time soon.
Take care with her if you see her -- she is fun and good for deposits -- but control the situation and do NOT give her $ until she is leaving!
SA.The beginning of this thread stated that she took the money meant for the hotel and skipped out on the date. So it is probably best to be careful with that too.
All this talk of Plan B and pregnancy tests has me wishing I had a vasectomy. Kind of hard for me to get one at this point. I am married with kids and a menopausal wife. Vasectomy talk came up years ago when we decided we had enough kids. I didn't want anyone messing with the plumbing at the time and my wife went on birth control, which she is now talking about ditching soon.
So if I want to start shooting blanks now, I see two alternatives: (1) I get snipped without mentioning it to my wife; of (2) I find some excuse for why I want one other than to avoid impregnating her.
(1) Seems pretty hard to pull off. I would have to find a health care provider who wouldn't send statements to house or apply charge to insurance deductible, meaning I guess I would need to pay cash. And I think it might be hard to explain why I was in bed for days with an ice pack.
(2) Anyone have ideas for "other" reasons to get a vasectomy? Any studies showing reduction in prostate cancer or something among men with vasectomies?
Anyone else miss the boat but manage to get snipped without arousing SO suspicions?
DickLongwood
06-24-21, 21:31
All this talk of Plan B and pregnancy tests has me wishing I had a vasectomy. Kind of hard for me to get one at this point. I am married with kids and a menopausal wife. Vasectomy talk came up years ago when we decided we had enough kids. I didn't want anyone messing with the plumbing at the time and my wife went on birth control, which she is now talking about ditching soon.
So if I want to start shooting blanks now, I see two alternatives: (1) I get snipped without mentioning it to my wife; of (2) I find some excuse for why I want one other than to avoid impregnating her.
(1) Seems pretty hard to pull off. I would have to find a health care provider who wouldn't send statements to house or apply charge to insurance deductible, meaning I guess I would need to pay cash. And I think it might be hard to explain why I was in bed for days with an ice pack.
(2) Anyone have ideas for "other" reasons to get a vasectomy? Any studies showing reduction in prostate cancer or something among men with vasectomies?
Anyone else miss the boat but manage to get snipped without arousing SO suspicions?Good luck with that! I have one friend on here--single--who just had the procedure done. He's very sore.
I have 2 other married SD friends who would like to get it done. For at least one, it opens a wider range of women, because a few SBs refuse birth control and are opposed to abortion if an accident happens.
All this talk of Plan B and pregnancy tests has me wishing I had a vasectomy. Kind of hard for me to get one at this point. I am married with kids and a menopausal wife. Vasectomy talk came up years ago when we decided we had enough kids. I didn't want anyone messing with the plumbing at the time and my wife went on birth control, which she is now talking about ditching soon.
So if I want to start shooting blanks now, I see two alternatives: (1) I get snipped without mentioning it to my wife; of (2) I find some excuse for why I want one other than to avoid impregnating her.
(1) Seems pretty hard to pull off. I would have to find a health care provider who wouldn't send statements to house or apply charge to insurance deductible, meaning I guess I would need to pay cash. And I think it might be hard to explain why I was in bed for days with an ice pack.
(2) Anyone have ideas for "other" reasons to get a vasectomy? Any studies showing reduction in prostate cancer or something among men with vasectomies?
Anyone else miss the boat but manage to get snipped without arousing SO suspicions?While I can't help with how to hide statements and shit like that, I can say the post pain wasn't that bad for me. You can't say something along the lines of having a lump checked or something?
Send your wife on a vacation or off to visit a relative. It's an outpatient thing. Tell her you got kicked in the balls. Will she want to inspect them?
Good luck with that! I have one friend on here--single--who just had the procedure done. He's very sore.
I have 2 other married SD friends who would like to get it done. For at least one, it opens a wider range of women, because a few SBs refuse birth control and are opposed to abortion if an accident happens.
All this talk of Plan B and pregnancy tests has me wishing I had a vasectomy. Kind of hard for me to get one at this point. I am married with kids and a menopausal wife. Vasectomy talk came up years ago when we decided we had enough kids. I didn't want anyone messing with the plumbing at the time and my wife went on birth control, which she is now talking about ditching soon.
So if I want to start shooting blanks now, I see two alternatives: (1) I get snipped without mentioning it to my wife; of (2) I find some excuse for why I want one other than to avoid impregnating her.
(1) Seems pretty hard to pull off. I would have to find a health care provider who wouldn't send statements to house or apply charge to insurance deductible, meaning I guess I would need to pay cash. And I think it might be hard to explain why I was in bed for days with an ice pack.
(2) Anyone have ideas for "other" reasons to get a vasectomy? Any studies showing reduction in prostate cancer or something among men with vasectomies?
Anyone else miss the boat but manage to get snipped without arousing SO suspicions?Time off from work maybe? They say some guys have it done in March just to get off work and watch NCAA tournament, LOL.
Any info? Using the name NiceLover now but says she's had prior bad experiences under a different handle:
https://www.seeking.com/member/65034dda-615a-4ebc-91a3-0b9f14e00fb9
Anyone else miss the boat but manage to get snipped without arousing SO suspicions?Start doing some yard work (fake) and then come up limping like you jacked up your knee.
Pretend to slip and fall when she isn't looking.
Overdo it at the gym.
Schedule a colonoscopy then cancel without her knowing.
Time off from work maybe? They say some guys have it done in March just to get off work and watch NCAA tournament, LOL.
Start doing some yard work (fake) and then come up limping like you jacked up your knee.
Pretend to slip and fall when she isn't looking.
Overdo it at the gym.
Schedule a colonoscopy then cancel without her knowing.Need a partner in crime. Most hospitals won't let you leave unless you have someone driving you home.
Need a partner in crime. Most hospitals won't let you leave unless you have someone driving you home.So my first thought was damn that's gunna be tough to hide but I think today's procedure is quick and fast healing. But my second thought is your fucking sb's or anybody else without a hat? You should be more worried worried about bringing home something now that would be tough to explain. Not judging but I'm single with nobody at home and I still jimmy up. These girls may have 2 or 3 sd's on the hook. Just my opinion.
Need a partner in crime. Most hospitals won't let you leave unless you have someone driving you home.Do they let you go if you are taking an Uber?
TheHobbyLobby
06-26-21, 09:20
Do they let you go if you are taking an Uber?I got snipped a few years ago and they would not allow me to take an Uber because they want someone who is actually going to stay with you after the operation.
TheHobbyLobby
06-26-21, 09:27
Has anyone met this SB. I am chatting with her and we are looking to meet this weekend. She says she is 18 so I always like to proceed with caution. Appreciate any help.
Any info? Using the name NiceLover now but says she's had prior bad experiences under a different handle:
https://www.seeking.com/member/65034dda-615a-4ebc-91a3-0b9f14e00fb9This was her response to my initial message to her.
"So just to get everything out there I'm not new to this site I've had a few bad experiences so I took a break, but now that I'm back I do require a partial allowance before meeting and I can send a video of myself saying your name to prove I'm real. I'm also a single mom of two so I'm only free on Wednesdays and every other weekend. ".
No response when I told her that wouldn't work for me.
TheHobbyLobby
06-26-21, 10:34
I new something was wrong when her second message to me was asking for my number. Long story short we texted for a while and she was saying stuff like yeah I want to make you wet. And then she asked me if I had cashapp. I stopped it there and blocked her.
This was her response to my initial message to her.
"So just to get everything out there I'm not new to this site I've had a few bad experiences so I took a break, but now that I'm back I do require a partial allowance before meeting and I can send a video of myself saying your name to prove I'm real. I'm also a single mom of two so I'm only free on Wednesdays and every other weekend. ".
No response when I told her that wouldn't work for me.I thought the pic looked familiar. Went through old messages from months ago. Her old screen name was DiscreetLover. The reply that you posted is verbatim what she sent to me 5 months ago. Being a SA rookie back then, was dumb enough to send her something for some pics. And then came the "need help with this bill" emails and any other excuse to get more money sent. I believe that "bad experience" she refers to is being reported by so many guys for just selling pics. Run as fast as you can from this one.
DoneThatOnce
06-26-21, 11:11
Anyone seen her. Always working when I am free to see anyone.
https://www.seeking.com/member/91e64d7c-80f5-498b-a6b6-8b5124294d3d
This was her response to my initial message to her.
"So just to get everything out there I'm not new to this site I've had a few bad experiences so I took a break, but now that I'm back I do require a partial allowance before meeting and I can send a video of myself saying your name to prove I'm real. I'm also a single mom of two so I'm only free on Wednesdays and every other weekend. ".
No response when I told her that wouldn't work for me.
I new something was wrong when her second message to me was asking for my number. Long story short we texted for a while and she was saying stuff like yeah I want to make you wet. And then she asked me if I had cashapp. I stopped it there and blocked her.That type of shit must work often enough that they keep doing it.
JayCramer80
06-26-21, 13:18
That type of shit must work often enough that they keep doing it.It probably does work. They can be anywhere, and if they only get 1 person a day to send deposit money, they can make 1000 a month.
This was her response to my initial message to her.
"So just to get everything out there I'm not new to this site I've had a few bad experiences so I took a break, but now that I'm back I do require a partial allowance before meeting and I can send a video of myself saying your name to prove I'm real. I'm also a single mom of two so I'm only free on Wednesdays and every other weekend. ".
No response when I told her that wouldn't work for me.She used to be Discreetfun938 when she was on before a few months ago. I checked my old messages and what she wrote to you is verbatim what she sent to me back then. Being a SA nube at the time, I fell for the trick to send something. Then come a ton of emails to "help me with this bill" or "I'll send more videos for $XX". She has no intentions of meeting anyone, at least back then. I think the bad experience she is referring to is probably getting suspended after being reported by so many guys. Run as fast as you can from this one.
It probably does work. They can be anywhere, and if they only get 1 person a day to send deposit money, they can make 1000 a month.To top that off, better than even odds are that it's a dude.
Smoking hot MILF / almost GILF.
$400 and up, cover required, no anal penetration or anything too extreme. Amazing body for her age and very open and hungry.
Sees multiple guys a week, goes to swingers clubs for fun and for sugar dates.
https://www.seeking.com/member/48d668c7-c311-4467-9aa2-e80a0f319381
Had a meet and greet with this one yesterday after texting for a couple of days. https://www.seeking.com/member/19a05ba8-fda5-46ea-b40e-b8931be6c0e1.
Let's just say life has not been kind to her. Very rough around the edges, scars on legs and arms. Just general overall appearance a real turnoff. Single Mom that lives with her Dad, 2 young kids, out of work. Certainly DTF, covered, but I'm going to pass.
Alkalinedio
06-27-21, 17:36
Damn, that sucks.
I'm always skeptical of girls who just got a headshot pic and one pic at that.
Stay safe.
AD.
Had a meet and greet with this one yesterday after texting for a couple of days. https://www.seeking.com/member/19a05ba8-fda5-46ea-b40e-b8931be6c0e1.
Let's just say life has not been kind to her. Very rough around the edges, scars on legs and arms. Just general overall appearance a real turnoff. Single Mom that lives with her Dad, 2 young kids, out of work. Certainly DTF, covered, but I'm going to pass.
WilyBird63
06-28-21, 08:05
Need a partner in crime. Most hospitals won't let you leave unless you have someone driving you home.I had the procedure done about 8 months ago. They numb the area and the pain doesn't start setting until a few hours later. I drove myself home from the appt and immediately went back to work at home. It will be a week or 2 of pain and pressure.
To add to the how to hide discussion, I had a friend who's kid hit him in the nuts with a toy, and he had to go to the urologist because of the pain and swelling not long after I had my procedure. Just don't let your wife inspect because there will obviosuly be incisions, but a nut shot excuse could work. Especially if you have to go see a urologist for the pain.
I had the procedure done about 8 months ago. They numb the area and the pain doesn't start setting until a few hours later. I drove myself home from the appt and immediately went back to work at home. It will be a week or 2 of pain and pressure.
To add to the how to hide discussion, I had a friend who's kid hit him in the nuts with a toy, and he had to go to the urologist because of the pain and swelling not long after I had my procedure. Just don't let your wife inspect because there will obviosuly be incisions, but a nut shot excuse could work. Especially if you have to go see a urologist for the pain.I wish I'd been able to drive myself. I had the VA do mine for me. They absolutely wouldn't start the procedure without introducing them to the person who would drive me home. Some of those crafty vets have gone as far as to pull in a homeless person as their ride. They were rather careful to make sure this was someone who would hang out for a bit, etc.
How do you ask what's on the menu without asking what's on the menu?
FarFarAway
06-29-21, 02:30
How do you ask what's on the menu without asking what's on the menu?If a girl has a menu, or a time (hour, QV, whatever), she's not a SB, she's an escort, perhaps UTR, and you can just treat her like that. If she's a real SB, there can be delicate ways to do this. I make statements myself, for example, "nothing I'm into would shock you, though nothing you'd ask for would shock me, because I sowed wild oats when I was your age. " Often they'll come back w / something definitive. The most common is 'nothing w / my butt / rear'. Well that is clear enough. I try not to get into too much detail or promise too much, that is the by-word of a true vet of this sport, HollywoodGuy.
How do you ask what's on the menu without asking what's on the menu?"Anything on your No Fly List for sugar playtime?
She is real -- but becoming UN-reliable -- she was always bad communicator and last minute only.
Also did the same thing to another friend. Then claimed her BF had tracked her and she had to dash -- with other evidence we believed her -- now I am not so sure and seeing a pattern.
Cannot post it here. But have a real FB page.She's apparently staying in low rent motels up and down the 95 corridor, some heavily monitored by Uncle. She's a mess, will blow up your # between the hours of 1 am-4 am claiming she's at "work". Hot mess at this point I blocked the # finally.
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