View Full Version : "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?
Uptick in babies communicating. Before the weekend, had probably one to two prospects, after about 10 and the weekend is not over. Had one willing to meet at my place at 1 am, that felt desperate on her end. Anyway Christmas is coming in more ways than one!!
https://www.seeking.com/member/bd43dece-db54-4b30-8567-7c0e66bcc5b7
Been talking to this one, anyone have experience with her?I met her when she came to Charlottesville. $300 plus cheap hotel room.
Pretty face, great bod -- long legs and rack as advertised.
Nice BBBJ, cums easily and often. Very squeaky girly voice, which I found annoying.
MSOG. Semi pro single mom for sure.
FarFarAway
11-19-18, 17:18
I have had a few GPS experiences lately that made me wonder what the girls were thinking. I would like to offer more than the obvious. There are some submissive girls who consider themselves 'brats', they want to be recalcitrant and be forced to comply. I have been messaging w / one who was asking for the moon (200 just to meet, for example) but when I started heavy on her w / how I was her dom, etc. She suddenly came to hand. So, that's one approach if you are messaging w / a girl who is giving you GPS. Even if you have no inkling she is submissive, it is so common on the site, you should never assume she is not. The other type is the girl who fantasized that she wants to be a sugar baby, but in her heart / subconscious can't really do it. The way to get a profile on the site and offer that up, try it on for size, etc. Without really being committed to do it is to ask for the moon, that no SD will ever meet. I think these you just move on from.
Everyone has heard the old joke: Guy is in a bar, a girls comes in and he asks her 'would you sleep with me for a million dollars? She replies 'sure, I guess so'. He follows with 'would you sleep with me for a hundred dollars?; and she retorts 'what kind of a girl do you think I am?' He says, rightly, 'we've already established that, we are just haggling about the price'. If a girl really wants ridiculous sums to FC w / me, well, that really shows what she thinks of me, which is not much. I am in the bowl b / c I want someone who is actually going to be into it, and not be there just for the buck. I have found that, many times. I also just have high standards. I once said here my life goal is to fuck as much *high quality* p* as I can, and I am moving in that direction. FFA.
https://www.seeking.com/member/bd43dece-db54-4b30-8567-7c0e66bcc5b7
Been talking to this one, anyone have experience with her?Sometime back she sent me a message for my reply 'someone told her I am not as generous as they want'.
They must be some inter communication channels for them!
From the other post on this girl, looks like I am generous enough with 300 per meet what I usually offer most hot ones.
I guess not this one since know more about her now!
I have some I regularly see which I am very happy with almost all are 8 to 10 in scale, now I am talking to a fresh face who says doesn't want to go all the way but do 'other things'.
Settled on compensation waiting for the meet next week, She is smoking hot and young my hunch is she might be the younger sister of one of my current SB's. Looks exactly like her!
I have had a lot of weird experiences on SA, but the weirdest thing so far happened few days ago that I wanted to share. I messaged this 20 yr college girl who put up the profile few days ago. It was a premium profile. Just one stock photo, standard college profile stuff, mentorship, tuition support etc. Listed as Asian. Thought it was fake but contacted her with my standard message. Here is the conversation:
Her: how are you?
Me: I am very good. How about you?
Her: You look sexy is the profile photo. I need more photos of you.
Me: Lets chat a bit here. I will send you more.
Her: Nice! To be straight, I have an incredible body and love older men. Spoil me, and I will fuck you like you have never fucked before.
Me: Wow! Now I am wondering if you are real.
Her: Call me xxx-xxx-xxxx. Ill show you.
Now I know she / he is playing a game. Anyway, for some stupid reason I called her (from my burner phone). I talked to her about 10 min. She had Asian accent (probably Indian). She said she was born here. In college pre-med, track (junior). I asked bit more about college, she really sounded like a college kid based on her answers. She wanted to set up a meet next day, and we could have fun at her apartment. I asked her about that message, she said she liked teasing. Then she asked if I like more photos. I said yes. I hung up. There comes a number of naughty photos. Nice curvy body. And she was saying how bad she wants to fuck me, how wet she is etc. Then I noticed a call from her. I did't pick. Then comes a text saying she badly needs some phone sex with me. I thought about it for about 10 min. Little head took over. I called her. I have had few phone sex sessions in the fast, but this was the best so far. She was telling me everything she was doing, sound etc. Lasted for about 10 min until I unloaded. She wanted to set up a meet next day, and was going to text me the address. There was no mention of allowance or anything for phone sex or meet up. I texted her right away to set up meet. She didn't text me. After about hour I logged on to SA, and noted she blocked me. Through my other account I confirmed she she was still online, but blocked me. I texted her why she blocked me. After about an hour she texted saying somebody reported her, so the account was inactivated. She was trying to fix. I know she lied, because she was online at that time. I texted few more times next few days, she never replied. I called her to check out. It went to voice mail. Interesting the voice mail greeting tells here real name. The same voice of the girl I had phone sex with. I did some some search with the name. I confirmed everything she said was true including her school, major, where she lives. I left a message she never replied. This is puzzling to me. If she blocked me on SA, why she did't block my number. Why the hell she gave me a free phone sex session if she didn't want to see me? Is that what she wants. Just have phone sex with a random guy and then block him. I am still scratching my head. I really want to bang her though. Not sure how I go about it. Create a new SA profile and contact her and use a different number? But not have phone sex (she will recognize my voice). I thought I have seen everything is SA. Apparently not!
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.
I have had a lot of weird experiences on SA, but the weirdest thing so far happened few days ago that I wanted to share. I messaged this 20 yr college girl who put up the profile few days ago. It was a premium profile. Just one stock photo, standard college profile stuff, mentorship, tuition support etc. Listed as Asian. Thought it was fake but contacted her with my standard message. Here is the conversation:
Her: how are you?
Me: I am very good. How about you?
Her: You look sexy is the profile photo. I need more photos of you.
Me: Lets chat a bit here. I will send you more.
Her: Nice! To be straight, I have an incredible body and love older men. Spoil me, and I will fuck you like you have never fucked before.
Me: Wow! Now I am wondering if you are real.
Her: Call me xxx-xxx-xxxx. Ill show you.
Now I know she / he is playing a game. Anyway, for some stupid reason I called her (from my burner phone). I talked to her about 10 min. She had Asian accent (probably Indian). She said she was born here. In college pre-med, track (junior). I asked bit more about college, she really sounded like a college kid based on her answers. She wanted to set up a meet next day, and we could have fun at her apartment. I asked her about that message, she said she liked teasing. Then she asked if I like more photos. I said yes. I hung up. There comes a number of naughty photos. Nice curvy body. And she was saying how bad she wants to fuck me, how wet she is etc. Then I noticed a call from her. I did't pick. Then comes a text saying she badly needs some phone sex with me. I thought about it for about 10 min. Little head took over. I called her. I have had few phone sex sessions in the fast, but this was the best so far. She was telling me everything she was doing, sound etc. Lasted for about 10 min until I unloaded. She wanted to set up a meet next day, and was going to text me the address. There was no mention of allowance or anything for phone sex or meet up. I texted her right away to set up meet. She didn't text me. After about hour I logged on to SA, and noted she blocked me. Through my other account I confirmed she she was still online, but blocked me. I texted her why she blocked me. After about an hour she texted saying somebody reported her, so the account was inactivated. She was trying to fix. I know she lied, because she was online at that time. I texted few more times next few days, she never replied. I called her to check out. It went to voice mail. Interesting the voice mail greeting tells here real name. The same voice of the girl I had phone sex with. I did some some search with the name. I confirmed everything she said was true including her school, major, where she lives. I left a message she never replied. This is puzzling to me. If she blocked me on SA, why she did't block my number. Why the hell she gave me a free phone sex session if she didn't want to see me? Is that what she wants. Just have phone sex with a random guy and then block him. I am still scratching my head. I really want to bang her though. Not sure how I go about it. Create a new SA profile and contact her and use a different number? But not have phone sex (she will recognize my voice). I thought I have seen everything is SA. Apparently not!
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.Welcome to the bowl. Where just about anything can (and probably will happen). I've had several similar, but different, encounters. My favorite was with a college freshmen in a town I was passing through. We had lunch, and then to the FC for about 3 hrs of amazing sex. She didn't want any money. A few weeks later, I message her that I'm passing through town again. She said she didn't want to see me. I replied why / what / etc. She said she always had a fantasy of spending an afternoon in bed with an older guy, and now she's good. I didn't get upset. I just wish more were like her!
FarFarAway
11-24-18, 19:21
Welcome to the bowl. Where just about anything can (and probably will happen). I've had several similar, but different, encounters. My favorite was with a college freshmen in a town I was passing through. We had lunch, and then to the FC for about 3 hrs of amazing sex. She didn't want any money. A few weeks later, I message her that I'm passing through town again. She said she didn't want to see me. I replied why / what / etc. She said she always had a fantasy of spending an afternoon in bed with an older guy, and now she's good. I didn't get upset. I just wish more were like her!Glad to see one of your too infrequent posts, BR. The famous 'one and done' is often indulged by SDs, there's no reason we have to have all the fun. Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason.
Anyone notice that the guy who is on the seeking.com login page looks a lot like Donald Trump Jr. No political motivation here, I'm just sayin' .
RedBaron69
11-25-18, 12:48
Antone else notice the increase in the GPS phenomenon the past few weeks. Ladies wanting 500-600 for a per meeting arrangement? Thanks.
Antone else notice the increase in the GPS phenomenon the past few weeks. Ladies wanting 500-600 for a per meeting arrangement? Thanks.Past experience says that the closer to Christmas we get the more they are willing to negotiate.
I met her when she came to Charlottesville. $300 plus cheap hotel room.
Pretty face, great bod -- long legs and rack as advertised.
Nice BBBJ, cums easily and often. Very squeaky girly voice, which I found annoying.
MSOG. Semi pro single mom for sure.I hung out with her twice. She is a single mom, lives in a nice area, and is willing to host. That voice is something else though. She's had several different profiles and I'm pretty sure has made her way through a ton of guys on SA.
Sometime back she sent me a message for my reply 'someone told her I am not as generous as they want'.
They must be some inter communication channels for them!
From the other post on this girl, looks like I am generous enough with 300 per meet what I usually offer most hot ones.
I guess not this one since know more about her now!
I have some I regularly see which I am very happy with almost all are 8 to 10 in scale, now I am talking to a fresh face who says doesn't want to go all the way but do 'other things'.
Settled on compensation waiting for the meet next week, She is smoking hot and young my hunch is she might be the younger sister of one of my current SB's. Looks exactly like her!You are generous enough with $300. She's fun but there are others out there that you will not have to pay as much for just as good of a time, if not better. I've had a pretty good run lately on SA.
BobbyRichmond
11-26-18, 13:35
I've been around a while and now going to start posting.
Also, I so need to get a burner phone as you can google my # and get everything very easily. But I'm so scared someone will find it, etc. Where in the world do you keep something like that?
FarFarAway
11-26-18, 16:18
I've been around a while and now going to start posting.
Also, I so need to get a burner phone as you can google my # and get everything very easily. But I'm so scared someone will find it, etc. Where in the world do you keep something like that?There's no doubt a burner is a potential danger, just about as much trouble as her finding condoms. You can read through the archive of this thread. I recommend not having it at home at all. I know of one SD here who buries it deep in his golf bag. I try to keep mine in the office, or a gym locker, much of the time.
Nah, I'm still around. I'm just writing less these days. And, I don't think I was ever the dean of anything.
I usually try to talk about aspects of the scene that either haven't been discussed or that I think I can contribute something new to. That gets harder and harder, as I've written a lot in this thread, and I think that aside from the posts that are indexed, most of it ends up buried in a pile of thousands of posts and read only by a few. It's just hard to find topics that haven't already been thoroughly covered.Everyone talks about the old base of posts on this thread that lays out the basics, but I'm not sure how to find that. I'm through 41 pages of this thread in two nights, but there are 1,051 pages containing nearly 16,000 posts. At this rate it will take me 51 nights to read this entire thing.
If there is not a specific way to find those "base info" posts, perhaps a post idea for JZLizard would be to post links to what he thinks are his best / most important / fundamentals that he doesn't care to re-hash. Every good series needs a re-cap.
I've been around a while and now going to start posting.
Also, I so need to get a burner phone as you can google my # and get everything very easily. But I'm so scared someone will find it, etc. Where in the world do you keep something like that?Just download a text app. Can uninstall and install as needed.
FarFarAway
11-27-18, 10:59
Everyone talks about the old base of posts on this thread that lays out the basics, but I'm not sure how to find that. I'm through 41 pages of this thread in two nights, but there are 1,051 pages containing nearly 16,000 posts. At this rate it will take me 51 nights to read this entire thing.
If there is not a specific way to find those "base info" posts, perhaps a post idea for JZLizard would be to post links to what he thinks are his best / most important / fundamentals that he doesn't care to re-hash. Every good series needs a re-cap.It's a separate thread called archive, under Richmond.
Just download a text app. Can uninstall and install as needed.My routine for the drive down my street is to close all browser windows and delete Kik and my texting app.
BobbyRichmond
11-27-18, 16:00
Just download a text app. Can uninstall and install as needed.Thanks for that info Mankind. I just did and it should work just fine. Is there any other reason to uninstall other that someone finding and opening your phone?
Anybody talk to or meet with this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/3cfa3a4c-471f-40da-b97e-9e428c5341ba.
Taking it easy. Sounds good but sounds fake. Soon after sending a message I got this:
Takin It Easy about 23 hours ago.
Thanks for the message! Sadly I have found this site to be a huge waste of time, so to cut through the BS, I am going to try something new and just be right up front with everything.
I am married, and my profile does say that. My husband is a bit of control freak, but not like you see in a movie so don't think hes crazy. He rather me be a stay at home house wife, we have one vehicle even though we can afford 2, but its just to keep me at home. Our iPhones are linked together, so he can see what apps I have / who I text.
My mom got sick of him reading our texts so she bought be a prepaid flip phone he doesn't know about, which is how I am on here.
No I don't have snapchat, whatsapp, tinder, textfree, any other app. Its a flip phone. Sorry, just been asked that question a lot. I also have no interest in emailing.
I am willing to send photos, but if you are going to ask for nudes right away, please look elsewhere. Also not interested in talking dirty right off the start, at least get to know me first.
I am not a "sugar baby" My options are limited so I choose this site. I don't want your money. I am looking for a friend with benefits.
With saying that, I do still have some needs. I would need an uber / lyft to meet you. I will not get picked up by you, I'm sorry.
Since my phone is prepaid, I will need it refilled as needed to keep in touch.
I am NOT LOOKING for a time / date relationship where we set a time and date and not talk until then. Sorry, communication and connection is important to me. So I would really like to talk to you some before we set a date in stone. I also need a 48 hour notice.
Sorry if this is a deal breaker, but yeah, just done with the games on here. Please let me know regardless. Thank you.
Long message but anybody have experience?
Zcochran00
11-27-18, 20:33
Everyone talks about the old base of posts on this thread that lays out the basics, but I'm not sure how to find that. I'm through 41 pages of this thread in two nights, but there are 1,051 pages containing nearly 16,000 posts. At this rate it will take me 51 nights to read this entire thing.
If there is not a specific way to find those "base info" posts, perhaps a post idea for JZLizard would be to post links to what he thinks are his best / most important / fundamentals that he doesn't care to re-hash. Every good series needs a re-cap.It's the "FAQ / Index Thread" that I put together a few years back. Here's a direct link:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ
Member #6951
11-28-18, 05:37
Just tried to use a prepaid card as I have in the past. As usual it didn't go through their system normally (even though I assigned a Zip). Emailed customer service with the card info as I have always done and they told me I now I have to fill out a form where, among other things, I have to give my name and billing address. I told them they lost a customer.
Anyone have any other bright ideas? If I assign a full name and address to the card through Vanilla's website will that work?
Anybody talk to or meet with this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/3cfa3a4c-471f-40da-b97e-9e428c5341ba.
Taking it easy. Sounds good but sounds fake. Soon after sending a message I got this:
Takin It Easy about 23 hours ago.
Thanks for the message! Sadly I have found this site to be a huge waste of time, so to cut through the BS, I am going to try something new and just be right up front with everything.
I am married, and my profile does say that. My husband is a bit of control freak, but not like you see in a movie so don't think hes crazy. He rather me be a stay at home house wife, we have one vehicle even though we can afford 2, but its just to keep me at home. Our iPhones are linked together, so he can see what apps I have / who I text.
My mom got sick of him reading our texts so she bought be a prepaid flip phone he doesn't know about, which is how I am on here.
No I don't have snapchat, whatsapp, tinder, textfree, any other app. Its a flip phone. Sorry, just been asked that question a lot. I also have no interest in emailing.
I am willing to send photos, but if you are going to ask for nudes right away, please look elsewhere. Also not interested in talking dirty right off the start, at least get to know me first.
I am not a "sugar baby" My options are limited so I choose this site. I don't want your money. I am looking for a friend with benefits.
With saying that, I do still have some needs. I would need an uber / lyft to meet you. I will not get picked up by you, I'm sorry.
Since my phone is prepaid, I will need it refilled as needed to keep in touch.
I am NOT LOOKING for a time / date relationship where we set a time and date and not talk until then. Sorry, communication and connection is important to me. So I would really like to talk to you some before we set a date in stone. I also need a 48 hour notice.
Sorry if this is a deal breaker, but yeah, just done with the games on here. Please let me know regardless. Thank you.
Long message but anybody have experience?I haven't talked to her but I've seen that exact message, word for word, from another girl on SA about two months ago.
Anybody talk to or meet with this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/3cfa3a4c-471f-40da-b97e-9e428c5341ba.
Taking it easy. Sounds good but sounds fake. Soon after sending a message I got this:
Got that exact same message from a gal in Philly 6 months ago.
Got that exact same message from a gal in Philly 6 months ago.This is why this site is so important to me. There's a wealth of wisdom and intel here and I appreciate you gents sharing what you share. I actually was going to reach out to that one as I like her look. Now that I've read this thread, I'll just move on!
Cheers,
Pix.
RWarNmsn69
11-28-18, 22:06
This is why this site is so important to me. There's a wealth of wisdom and intel here and I appreciate you gents sharing what you share. I actually was going to reach out to that one as I like her look. Now that I've read this thread, I'll just move on!
Cheers,
Pix.It's also a good reason for reading the other SB forums across the country on here!
Safe mongering and sugaring!
Thanks for that info Mankind. I just did and it should work just fine. Is there any other reason to uninstall other that someone finding and opening your phone?No, the only reason to delete is so no one finds it. Figure an app is easier to hide than a psyical phone.
FarFarAway
11-29-18, 12:31
No, the only reason to delete is so no one finds it. Figure an app is easier to hide than a psyical phone.To each their own. There are some examples of the apps guy use for sugaring crossing over into their real life, and that can be a problem. Google Voice, which I like for a variety of other reasons I have posted, is one where there have been problems. So, I do have a burner, but I never have it at home, I have stashes for it.
To each their own. There are some examples of the apps guy use for sugaring crossing over into their real life, and that can be a problem. Google Voice, which I like for a variety of other reasons I have posted, is one where there have been problems. So, I do have a burner, but I never have it at home, I have stashes for it.How? You can delete the app and its gone. I'm talking text free. Text now pinger etc.
How? You can delete the app and its gone. I'm talking text free. Text now pinger etc.Also, consider using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.app.calculator.vault.hider&hl=en_US or similar if you are using an app. In case you have nosy people on your phone.
AngryDragon
11-30-18, 09:40
Got that exact same message from a gal in Philly 6 months ago.Hello,
I've been a sugar daddy for a while now, but I've just come across usasexguide. I need to be very discreet because of my job. I wouldn't want to get sued for slander or anything. I've noticed that you guys are sharing how much you individually paid for specific girls. I think it's common sense that maybe the girls don't have a set price. Maybe if she can stomach having sex with you, the price would probably be a lot lower then if she's straight up disgusted by you. Then of course, the price would go up. I just assumed that is what the girls are doing. I'm sure if a girl thinks a guy is hot, it's 100 bucks. If he's old, fat, bald and comes off as needy, it's probably 500 bucks. That's why I'm always a gentlemen and let the girl lead the way. Some guys act like they're doing the girl a favor. If a young hot college girl is screwing an average-looking middle-aged white dude, he is definitely not the one doing the favor. I recognize that, and I think that's why I do so well.
AngryDragon
11-30-18, 10:03
Hello, I've been an SD for a while but I'm new to usasexguide. I need to be very discreet because of my job I wouldn't want to get sued for slander or anything. I've noticed that you guys are naming exact prices that you paid for specific girls. You're even posting pics which is way too dangerous for me. It seems like common sense to me that the majority of the girls don't have a set price. I would think that if she can stomach you, the price is going to be a lot lower than if she's disgusted by you. And come on my fellow mongers, girls aren't sexually attracted to pics. Men are biologically visual. Female brains are very different. Some idiots actually act like they're doing the girl a favor. If a young hot college girl is screwing a average-looking middle-aged white dude, he is not the one doing the favor. I recognize that, and I think that's why I do so well w my babies. I think about what they want and not just what I want. I'm usually rewarded greatly for that.
Just a heads up, for those brothers who are concerned about keeping their hotel stays secret, please Google "Marriott Data Breach".
This means that if you've rented a room in any of the hotels under the Marriott umbrella (and remember Marriott bought Starwood a couple of years ago), most likely your room rental records will be easily searched (wives, private investigators, employers, SBs, random internet users, etc) at some point in the near future, if not already.
Also, understand that this is just one of the risks of the SD lifestyle, and this risk will never go away. Security breaches will increase, and things that are safe today most likely will not be safe tomorrow.
Me, I'm fine with this aside from the pain in the ass of having to change reward club password and / or wonder if I'm going to be contacting the CC company fraud department after this. But it's just a foreshadowing of more things to come.
FarFarAway
11-30-18, 13:31
How? You can delete the app and its gone. I'm talking text free. Text now pinger etc.This specifically has been reported: texting w / a POT using Google Voice, she decides to call. You miss the call but hit reply. The call goes out, but from the phones actual number, not the Google Voice number. In my case, this was no big deal, because I was using my burner, which cannot be traced to me personally (it is a TracPhone, I have posted elsewhere all about it). For someone using GV on their regular phone, though, it is death if you have a SO. The POT gets your IRL number, could make problems if she wanted.
Geechie Dan
11-30-18, 15:20
https://www.seeking.com/member/c42517bc-c3c3-4941-b03b-7064e141130a
Anyone have info? Quoted me $$$ for her time.
. . . and young my hunch is she might be the younger sister of one of my current SB's. Looks exactly like her!Chris Rock Wisdom says you're probably right about the sister thing:
And if a guy introduces his boy to his new girlfriend, and when they walk away, his boy goes, "Oh man, she's nice, I got to get me a girl like that. " If a woman introduces her new man to her girlfriend, and they walk away, her girlfriend goes, "I got to get him, and I will slit that *s throat to do it. " Every girl in here got a girlfriend they don't trust around their man.
https://www.seeking.com/member/c42517bc-c3c3-4941-b03b-7064e141130a
Anyone have info? Quoted me $$$ for her time.Somewhat country girl from Alaska. About 3 or 4 years ago she was posting ads on CL and bouncing from Southside (Willis rd area) to Prince Edward with short hops to Chester sometimes. She had nice hips and a flat belly, long hair that went from platinum to strawberry blonde, w so-so skills back then; she had something of a bitchy additude too, and I imagine that's gotten no better. She was 19 or 20 so hopefully she is a better lay by now. Closing thoughts: legit young girl body, probably a good lay at this point but I had her for $80 - $120 and just laughed at her asshole behavior back then; no way I could go $300 now.
https://www.seeking.com/member/88bb1473-3f57-4e66-b52c-acdee30198c5
Does anyone have info? She looks like my type.
It looks like she hasn't been on SA site since August.
https://www.seeking.com/member/88bb1473-3f57-4e66-b52c-acdee30198c5
Does anyone have info? She looks like my type.
Member #6951
12-02-18, 11:27
Apologies for asking again but I didn't see a response to the previous message. What are you all doing for payment to SA? I had been trying to handle payment through a prepaid card. Didn't go through so I messaged support as I have done a half dozen times in the past. This time SA sent me a message that I had to fill out a form and send it back, no way.
I looked further and realized the Vanilla card I had was US only, and the website requires international ones. I looked at the international version, but all of those seem to require you provide your identity and drivers' license. I'd prefer to avoid if possible but is that my only option?
This specifically has been reported: texting w / a POT using Google Voice, she decides to call. You miss the call but hit reply. The call goes out, but from the phones actual number, not the Google Voice number.This is why I use Hushed. Calls and text go out over data. They don't show up on your call log, and the app rings, not your phone. Reply is from the app, not your phone. It's not free, but not expensive.
Geechie Dan
12-02-18, 13:14
Somewhat country girl from Alaska. About 3 or 4 years ago she was posting ads on CL and bouncing from Southside (Willis rd area) to Prince Edward with short hops to Chester sometimes. She had nice hips and a flat belly, long hair that went from platinum to strawberry blonde, w so-so skills back then; she had something of a bitchy additude too, and I imagine that's gotten no better. She was 19 or 20 so hopefully she is a better lay by now. Closing thoughts: legit young girl body, probably a good lay at this point but I had her for $80 - $120 and just laughed at her asshole behavior back then; no way I could go $300 now.Yeah, she did mention she spends some of her time in Farmville.
To be honest, she quoted 300 for first meet and 200 per meet thereafter. Like every lady she promised that I wouldn't regret it. If her attitude was like that then I'll pass because you're right, it likely hasn't changed much. Thanks for the info.
BobbyRichmond
12-02-18, 16:13
Gosh,
Could this profile be real? Its about as perfect as you can get in my opinion.
https://www.seeking.com/member/aa15b15d-d24b-4706-bc89-126433dfd871
Gosh,
Could this profile be real? Its about as perfect as you can get in my opinion.
https://www.seeking.com/member/aa15b15d-d24b-4706-bc89-126433dfd871Have you checked her out, has she responded?
JustLonely
12-03-18, 12:06
I am getting ready to TOFTT with this one. She seems a bit different than most I've messaged on SA. Any concerns from anyone who has seen her?
https://www.seeking.com/member/54538dee-788c-4d84-90e7-d2154b9682a8
BobbyRichmond
12-03-18, 12:18
Have you checked her out, has she responded?I haven't and was curious if anyone else had. But I will now and report back.
She's been around for a while like Tidad said. Was / is a 'functional' junkie. Runs with (and been run through by) biker groups she's been supplied by. Never had the chance to meet up with her, mainly because pretty much every approach has ended with her having a shitty attitude. One of my attempts (through social media) she was asking for $$ for an hour.
I would guess if you see her, you'll have something pretty to look at, with an attitude as soon as she doesn't like something, and not getting your money's worth.
Somewhat country girl from Alaska. About 3 or 4 years ago she was posting ads on CL and bouncing from Southside (Willis rd area) to Prince Edward with short hops to Chester sometimes. She had nice hips and a flat belly, long hair that went from platinum to strawberry blonde, w so-so skills back then; she had something of a bitchy additude too, and I imagine that's gotten no better. She was 19 or 20 so hopefully she is a better lay by now. Closing thoughts: legit young girl body, probably a good lay at this point but I had her for $80 - $120 and just laughed at her asshole behavior back then; no way I could go $300 now.
Starkey 2008
12-04-18, 13:27
I'd be really careful with her. I had multiple conversations with her about 6 - 12 months ago. They resulted in me driving to Farmville where she promptly ghosted me. We texted back and forth as I was driving and then she went dark as soon as I hit the city limits. I didn't lose any money, but it cost me about 3 hours of total time.
Stay Safe,
Starkey.
https://www.seeking.com/member/c42517bc-c3c3-4941-b03b-7064e141130a
Anyone have info? Quoted me $$$ for her time.
Apologies for asking again but I didn't see a response to the previous message. What are you all doing for payment to SA? I had been trying to handle payment through a prepaid card. Didn't go through so I messaged support as I have done a half dozen times in the past. This time SA sent me a message that I had to fill out a form and send it back, no way.
I looked further and realized the Vanilla card I had was US only, and the website requires international ones. I looked at the international version, but all of those seem to require you provide your identity and drivers' license. I'd prefer to avoid if possible but is that my only option?SA is locking down things now to make it nearly impossible to remain anonymous. I've found it hard to access the site through a VPN at times.
The way I've found to pay with a US only gift card is via the google play store. Seeking is no longer on the Apple App store, and paypal is no longer available.
You need:
1. an android device, and a google account.
2. Download the seeking app. It will ask to use your location and there isn't a straight forward way to say no. If you're concerned about it logging your location, then get the FakeGPS app (free) and set your location with that prior to enabling location services for Seeking.
3. Enter your gift card as a payment option in the Google Play Store.
4. Start the seeking app and select upgrade. Select pay via google play.
5. Happy hunting.
For those of us that are single and don't need to hide your credit card transactions, you can pay with your own credit card. The only information that needs to be correct is the zip code. You can use a fake name and address. I still use a gift card even though I am single because I am paranoid.
RedBaron69
12-04-18, 16:08
She is real. Met with her Saturday for drinks, hit it off pretty well, BBBJ in the parking lot. She was limited on time. Young kids and husband at home. Talked her into coming for a room visit the following afternoon after work. She is a lot of fun. Seeing her again soon.
Gosh,
Could this profile be real? Its about as perfect as you can get in my opinion.
https://www.seeking.com/member/aa15b15d-d24b-4706-bc89-126433dfd871
Member #6951
12-04-18, 17:15
SA is locking down things now to make it nearly impossible to remain anonymous. I've found it hard to access the site through a VPN at times.
The way I've found to pay with a US only gift card is via the google play store. Seeking is no longer on the Apple App store, and paypal is no longer available.
You need:
1. an android device, and a google account.
2. Download the seeking app. It will ask to use your location and there isn't a straight forward way to say no. If you're concerned about it logging your location, then get the FakeGPS app (free) and set your location with that prior to enabling location services for Seeking.
3. Enter your gift card as a payment option in the Google Play Store.
4. Start the seeking app and select upgrade. Select pay via google play.
5. Happy hunting.
For those of us that are single and don't need to hide your credit card transactions, you can pay with your own credit card. The only information that needs to be correct is the zip code. You can use a fake name and address. I still use a gift card even though I am single because I am paranoid.Thank you very much. Apple user so Android is out. I did get an international gift card but not thrilled about using my name and address in seeking's site. Maybe I will try the fake name and address with that.
I am getting ready to TOFTT with this one. She seems a bit different than most I've messaged on SA. Any concerns from anyone who has seen her?
https://www.seeking.com/member/54538dee-788c-4d84-90e7-d2154b9682a8I think this is a new profile or she pulled it down for a while. I got her digits and we texted for a day or two and I just didn't pull the trigger because I had someone else lined up that, quite frankly, was much better looking with a bit more meat on her bones. She seemed legit while texting and claimed to not really care about the allowance. But that often changes once you start getting serious about actually meeting!
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.Ahmen! My friends joke I'll be chasing skirts with my walker.
JustLonely
12-05-18, 12:56
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.I can vouch for that as took a SB from hotel to nursing home when her car wasn't running. Funny thing it turned out be within 5 minutes of where I work. She might still be there by the time I need one. She loved the work.
CantWinLosin
12-05-18, 14:34
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.Nurses learn pretty quickly in their work to be pragmatic and realistic, and those traits carry over to their personal lives; nurses who work with the elderly and dying (nursing homes, home care and hospice services) get that double, plus a good dose of "live for today, none of us are promised tomorrow" on top of it. As medical people, they're often more aware of and in tune with their bodies and their sexual needs than civvies. And nursing home / home care / hospice providers, especially the less-skilled ones (home health aides, LPNs, phlebotomists / renal support / etc.) are generally on the bottom rung of the pay scale for medical professions. Combine those things, and it's no surprise that a lot of the SBs we see come out of that field of work: they're broke, horny, and not afraid to use the latter to fix the former. I've had two long-term SBs in that category, and have met quite a few others.
FarFarAway
12-05-18, 16:00
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.Just generally, I find it interesting the demographics that are on seeking. Definitely nurses, but also nannies, cosmetologists, hairdressers. Someone should do a PhD thesis explaining it all. Some of it may be vanity, a girl wants to be thought of as a special beauty, if she can get someone to pay a lot of $ to be w / her it confirms that aspiration.
Apologies for asking again but I didn't see a response to the previous message. What are you all doing for payment to SA? I had been trying to handle payment through a prepaid card. Didn't go through so I messaged support as I have done a half dozen times in the past. This time SA sent me a message that I had to fill out a form and send it back, no way.
I looked further and realized the Vanilla card I had was US only, and the website requires international ones. I looked at the international version, but all of those seem to require you provide your identity and drivers' license. I'd prefer to avoid if possible but is that my only option?The only way I have found is BitCoin. It is volatile as is the stock market. If you fund your BitCoin wallet and use it immediately should be good. If there is enough interest I can post how to do it.
I think this is a new profile or she pulled it down for a while. I got her digits and we texted for a day or two and I just didn't pull the trigger because I had someone else lined up that, quite frankly, was much better looking with a bit more meat on her bones. She seemed legit while texting and claimed to not really care about the allowance. But that often changes once you start getting serious about actually meeting!Agree it's a new profile, but pretty sure I used to see her. She's super cool and extremely accommodating. Really nice girl. But for those of you who've been around for awhile think Donna. Not a bad thing but depends on what you like and what you're willing to pay I guess?
Member #6951
12-06-18, 01:14
The only way I have found is BitCoin. It is volatile as is the stock market. If you fund your BitCoin wallet and use it immediately should be good. If there is enough interest I can post how to do it.Thanks for the offer. That's probably too much effort for me.
For what it is worth I did try the more complicated and in depth international Vanilla card. You do have to register it with your real name and address through Vanilla, but I was then able to sign up on SA with a modified name and address— only zip code matched — and that worked. I think that accomplishes my goal, which is to avoid having my name and address sitting in SA's files.
JustLonely
12-06-18, 09:54
I think this is a new profile or she pulled it down for a while. I got her digits and we texted for a day or two and I just didn't pull the trigger because I had someone else lined up that, quite frankly, was much better looking with a bit more meat on her bones. She seemed legit while texting and claimed to not really care about the allowance. But that often changes once you start getting serious about actually meeting!I didn't pull the trigger on this one after all. Like you a better fit for me worked out.
TomDickNHarry
12-06-18, 11:59
Needs to be a pinned post on here. Anything, and I do mean anything from phone minutes to gas money to a subscription to a gift to anything and everything where someone is asking you for something that costs money, sight unseen prior to meeting, is a scam. Every. Single. Time. Automatically move on the 2nd you get something like that and save yourself some time.
Anybody talk to or meet with this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/3cfa3a4c-471f-40da-b97e-9e428c5341ba.
Taking it easy. Sounds good but sounds fake. Soon after sending a message I got this:
Takin It Easy about 23 hours ago.
Thanks for the message! Sadly I have found this site to be a huge waste of time, so to cut through the BS, I am going to try something new and just be right up front with everything.
I am married, and my profile does say that. My husband is a bit of control freak, but not like you see in a movie so don't think hes crazy. He rather me be a stay at home house wife, we have one vehicle even though we can afford 2, but its just to keep me at home. Our iPhones are linked together, so he can see what apps I have / who I text.
My mom got sick of him reading our texts so she bought be a prepaid flip phone he doesn't know about, which is how I am on here.
No I don't have snapchat, whatsapp, tinder, textfree, any other app. Its a flip phone. Sorry, just been asked that question a lot. I also have no interest in emailing.
I am willing to send photos, but if you are going to ask for nudes right away, please look elsewhere. Also not interested in talking dirty right off the start, at least get to know me first.
I am not a "sugar baby" My options are limited so I choose this site. I don't want your money. I am looking for a friend with benefits.
With saying that, I do still have some needs. I would need an uber / lyft to meet you. I will not get picked up by you, I'm sorry.
Since my phone is prepaid, I will need it refilled as needed to keep in touch.
I am NOT LOOKING for a time / date relationship where we set a time and date and not talk until then. Sorry, communication and connection is important to me. So I would really like to talk to you some before we set a date in stone. I also need a 48 hour notice.
Sorry if this is a deal breaker, but yeah, just done with the games on here. Please let me know regardless. Thank you.
Long message but anybody have experience?
SteelCities
12-06-18, 12:25
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Apologies for asking again but I didn't see a response to the previous message. What are you all doing for payment to SA? I had been trying to handle payment through a prepaid card. Didn't go through so I messaged support as I have done a half dozen times in the past. This time SA sent me a message that I had to fill out a form and send it back, no way.
I looked further and realized the Vanilla card I had was US only, and the website requires international ones. I looked at the international version, but all of those seem to require you provide your identity and drivers' license. I'd prefer to avoid if possible but is that my only option?
AngryDragon
12-07-18, 12:34
It may just be me but it seems the last three or four SBs I've met up with this year all claim to be nurses who work at nursing homes! Anybody else have this experience? I mean, in some way, it makes sense. Anyone in that profession has a natural empathy and is all about giving! LOL. And if it's true, I suspect some of them know one another and have shared their experiences in the bowl. But I'd like to know where this facility is because I'm going to be needing a nursing home here in a few years and that's the place I want to live out my last few years! LMAO.Lotta Nurses on SA! Maybe there's so many nurses because they're used to touching a million gross, old, flaccid penises all day and they already know they can get through an "FC-date" without vomiting! LOL! They have to deal with the most disgusting things imaginable everyday to get their pay check. I guess SA's not much of a stretch.
Lotta Nurses on SA! Maybe there's so many nurses because they're used to touching a million gross, old, flaccid penises all day and they already know they can get through an "FC-date" without vomiting! LOL! They have to deal with the most disgusting things imaginable everyday to get their pay check. I guess SA's not much of a stretch.I'm sure there are some VCU nursing students on SA too.
I think I well a fever coming on. LOL.
I'm thinking about joining SA. I've had three SB that I found on my own.
One a waitress in Wilmington, that turned into a real serious relationship for over two & a half years, a stripper in Fayetteville that is ongoing at two & a half years & a ebony model in Norfolk that only lasted a month last March. (Fronted her cash, rookie mistake. She was ready for Greek, really regret that!)
Ages when met, 23,23 & 24. Less than half my age. All three beautiful in different ways. Waitress, all half my age.
I like the hunt with the civilians. Surprisingly, the stripper took the longest to get to the FC. She only liked girls, but once I finally ate her, she was mine!
Cultivating SB #1's friend in Wilmington currently. Bartender at the same restaurant. Blonde, 30, pretty, great ass & tits, just ran the NY marathon. I have a different marathon in mind. Had dinner with her three times, lot's of flirting & touching. Have to time your move just right with civies. Too early you can spook them, too late you can be in the dreaded "friend zone", fuck that!
If I join SA I'd look in Nova, Raleigh & Wilmington. Too risky here. I have the free membership and between that and the boards there, looks like Raleigh & Nova is loaded with prospects, as well as verified Babies.
To be continued.
I've also met a couple of dental techs / hygienists as well. The first one I met thought I was going to come in (she hosted in Springfield), bust a nut, and then leave. I took her to three rounds (I have no idea how I was able to do that, she wasn't smoking hot and I'm usually a one and done old dude) and wore her ass out. She was like, "damn, most guys are out of here in 30 minutes. ".
Yep, I'm proud of myself and bragging a tad bit. But there is definitely something about playing with civvies that brings out the best in ol' junior! I do enjoy the bowl, that's for sure.
Be nice to them fellow mongers.
Let me tell you: if you see Empire Beauty School on a girl's FB, check out her friends, you'll see familiar faces. Over the years I have struck up 15 or 20 p4p "friendships" by reaching out to students there; I don't even know if it still operates but it's been great for my ability to bang broke 25 year olds. And to top it off, I've had more than a few providers approach me through my monger profile because they knew some of my "friends" from there and knew about their side gigs #ReferralSexIsGoodSex.
AngryDragon
12-08-18, 16:42
Let me tell you: if you see Empire Beauty School on a girl's FB, check out her friends, you'll see familiar faces. Over the years I have struck up 15 or 20 p4p "friendships" by reaching out to students there; I don't even know if it still operates but it's been great for my ability to bang broke 25 year olds. And to top it off, I've had more than a few providers approach me through my monger profile because they knew some of my "friends" from there and knew about their side gigs #ReferralSexIsGoodSex.I had an SB who was a cosmetologist. Her parents didn't have a very much money and sent her to Empire Beauty School. She was a beautiful little blonde haired and blue eyed angel. She said that she couldn't make friends there because it was a bunch of really obese, black women who we're low class and didn't take care of themselves. She was definitely in the wrong place. I paid for her to go to the Redken Exchange in New York City. She apparently feels extremely grateful to me and we hook up for free every time she's in Richmond to visit friends and family. When you give a female security that they can count on, they'll give you the world.
AngryDragon
12-08-18, 18:34
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You're SB told you or you're a hooker who hates black guys
A2
Have you seen her again? The profile is down.
She is real. Met with her Saturday for drinks, hit it off pretty well, BBBJ in the parking lot. She was limited on time. Young kids and husband at home. Talked her into coming for a room visit the following afternoon after work. She is a lot of fun. Seeing her again soon.
I have a burner phone for playing in the bowl, but my other phone is loaded w a FMF app and my kid and SO can locate me.
What is the best way to avoid being tracked while going out to drinks and date in Notel? Leave the phone at work / gym or turn the phone off is not feasible. I can turn share my location off but will they get a alert / message when I do that, or it will simply show as my phone is off / no battery etc- which is easier to explain.
I bet this FMF app must have caused a tons of devoice😉128521;.
What's the best plan of action is this scenario.
The only way I have found is BitCoin. It is volatile as is the stock market. If you fund your BitCoin wallet and use it immediately should be good. If there is enough interest I can post how to do it.I would be interested in this.
AngryDragon
12-09-18, 13:16
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Really starting to think you're a chick.
A2
I am a guy and let me start of by saying [Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin] I am not a racist or a lookist.
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I don't know what a lookist is but you are without question a racist. I'm also thinking you're probably not a guy so I banned your user name.
A2
I have a burner phone for playing in the bowl, but my other phone is loaded w a FMF app and my kid and SO can locate me.
What is the best way to avoid being tracked while going out to drinks and date in Notel? Leave the phone at work / gym or turn the phone off is not feasible. I can turn share my location off but will they get a alert / message when I do that, or it will simply show as my phone is off / no battery etc- which is easier to explain.
I bet this FMF app must have caused a tons of devoice😉128521;.
What's the best plan of action is this scenario.Airplane mode works and doesn't alert your friends of being turned off. You'll have to play with it, but it used to transmit your last known location when you switch to airplane mode until you go live again.
AngryDragon
12-09-18, 15:40
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I have a burner phone for playing in the bowl, but my other phone is loaded w a FMF app and my kid and SO can locate me.
What is the best way to avoid being tracked while going out to drinks and date in Notel? Leave the phone at work / gym or turn the phone off is not feasible. I can turn share my location off but will they get a alert / message when I do that, or it will simply show as my phone is off / no battery etc- which is easier to explain.
I bet this FMF app must have caused a tons of devoice😉128521;.
What's the best plan of action is this scenario.With iOS / iPhone you're screwed. If you're using Android, you can download the the FakeGPS app for free. It allows you to set your location anywhere in the world.
I've been civy dating since my divorce, and it's not bad. Not great, but like the bowl it takes time to sort things. I've been able to date more than a few women around 20 years younger than myself. My current "friend" is 15 years my junior, and makes as much or more than I do. I actually feel like a SB. She keeps giving me gifts all of the time.
While I am seeing someone now, I thought I'd give the bowl a try prior to my holiday trip home. I'm pretty disappointed. The girls definitely don't want to chat as much prior to meeting. I always used this as a method for eliminating the scammers and GPS. When you do meet, they're nothing like what they claim. I had some good years on SA, but I'm afraid it's been over taken with Backpage girls. I'm certain there are still some gems out there, but they're getting jaded by the guys that joined SA as an alternative to Backpage. As a result, they don't want to chat as much or just leave the site in disgust.
I'm going to give it a few more weeks while I'm visiting family and alone, but I think this my last dip in the bowl.
See my post in the Baltimore forum about a recent SA meet gone wrong for why I feel this way.
FarFarAway
12-09-18, 23:54
I've also met a couple of dental techs / hygienists as well. The first one I met thought I was going to come in (she hosted in Springfield), bust a nut, and then leave. I took her to three rounds (I have no idea how I was able to do that, she wasn't smoking hot and I'm usually a one and done old dude) and wore her ass out. She was like, "damn, most guys are out of here in 30 minutes. ".
Yep, I'm proud of myself and bragging a tad bit. But there is definitely something about playing with civvies that brings out the best in ol' junior! I do enjoy the bowl, that's for sure.
Be nice to them fellow mongers.Uh, there's a disconnect here. You say your SB is a 'civvy' - but then she says 'most guys' - so, obviously, she has a database big enough to use *most* - you've got what is defined here as an UTR.
FarFarAway
12-10-18, 00:00
Fascinating 60 Minutes story tonight about how phone apps are engineered to reward and entice. My thought as I watched was. We've got to figure out some of the tricks that app developers use and apply them to our conversations w / POTs. A big complaint many have is that things can be moving right along and then suddenly the girl drops off the face of the earth. We need the behavioral mods we can apply to get girls to engage.
I had an SB who was a cosmetologist. Her parents didn't have a very much money and sent her to Empire Beauty School. She was a beautiful little blonde haired and blue eyed angel. She said that she couldn't make friends there because it was a bunch of really obese, black women who we're low class and didn't take care of themselves. She was definitely in the wrong place. I paid for her to go to the Redken Exchange in New York City. She apparently feels extremely grateful to me and we hook up for free every time she's in Richmond to visit friends and family. When you give a female security that they can count on, they'll give you the world.OK; you found a "beautiful little blonde haired and blue eyed angel" who was willing to fuck for financial help and you proceed to pay thousands of $$ to get her out of the area and out of financial need? That's great, thanks Capt.
BTW a hookup that you pay thousands $ for in advance isn't "free".
OK; you found a "beautiful little blonde haired and blue eyed angel" who was willing to fuck for financial help and you proceed to pay thousands of $$ to get her out of the area and out of financial need? That's great, thanks Capt.
BTW a hookup that you pay thousands $ for in advance isn't "free".My thoughts exactly. I had one SB that I paid every other time we hung out or so. Those weren't free meetings. It just meant the amount I paid was spread across several meetings. If you paid $2000 to get to NYC, and you've hooked up with her 10 times since then, you still paid her $200 per meeting. It might be a great deal but it definitely isn't free.
AngryDragon
12-10-18, 12:14
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Now I'm sure you're a chick. A really racist chick.
Fuck off
A2
Airplane mode works and doesn't alert your friends of being turned off. You'll have to play with it, but it used to transmit your last known location when you switch to airplane mode until you go live again.But then you can't receive calls.
Only thing worse than SO knowing where you are is SO calling you for an hour unable to reach you -- going straight to VM sounds very different than ringing and not answered (ringer off excuse) -- and you don't know she is calling to have your alibi ready.
AceKingQueen
12-10-18, 15:29
But then you can't receive calls.
Only thing worse than SO knowing where you are is SO calling you for an hour unable to reach you -- going straight to VM sounds very different than ringing and not answered (ringer off excuse) -- and you don't know she is calling to have your alibi ready.Turn the Location Services off. That works like a charm. Make sure you turn it off when you are at place whcih you want others to see. I always do that when we go partying from office after lunch.
ArribaPeru
12-10-18, 17:29
Just want to chime in that this works. Trial membership ran out and had two new inbox messages. Found the responses!
Thanks!!
I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.
It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.
Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.
If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.
Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)
Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".
Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.
It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.
As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.
Hope that helps!
This was in the NYTimes today coincidentally: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html.
Long and short is that so many apps track you now.
FarFarAway
12-11-18, 13:36
There seems to be a perpetual moving target in terms of how to pay for monthly membership without giving up our personal identity. I have had a lot of luck over time with OneVanilla and VanillaGift prepaid debit cards, and there seems to be some posting in sugar threads that indicates these still work, but I am not 100% sure.
I want to inquire about the experience of others w / another scenario I can envision. I have an Android phone and have the seeking.com app on it. I am guessing from other's posts that I could pay for a month with Google Pay. I haven't ever used it, so does it work this way? I get myself a Google Pay prepaid card (which I am guessing I can do without giving up personal info) and add it to the Google Pay app on my sugar burner? Then I can pay my membership on the seeking.com app from Google Pay? If someone has experience doing this, or a correction of it, I'd be very grateful.
I only have a membership on seeking for a month at a time, perhaps less, it isn't necessary for me to have a full plate, and I get too obsessed w / finding new SBs. I have used the app to set up a new profile, with that you can get a week of full membership for <$30, that has worked for me at some time.
I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.
It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.
Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.
If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.
Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)
Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".
Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.
It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.
As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.
Hope that helps!Z,
Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!
Waiting with bated breath.
Scott.
ChiefQueef
12-11-18, 18:57
There have always been both types on the site. Maybe the share has increased. Most of the complaints I have heard is about them being scammers. That aside, the big interest for me is this ranting online: where are they doing it? If you can learn that, it would be BIG news and very useful!
BAM.Hey man, you can check Reddit (sugarlifestyle sub forum I think) for some "testimonials". I want to see what Dragon has to say though, he might have something new to bring to the table.
-Queefy.
There seems to be a perpetual moving target in terms of how to pay for monthly membership without giving up our personal identity. I have had a lot of luck over time with OneVanilla and VanillaGift prepaid debit cards, and there seems to be some posting in sugar threads that indicates these still work, but I am not 100% sure.
I want to inquire about the experience of others w / another scenario I can envision. I have an Android phone and have the seeking.com app on it. I am guessing from other's posts that I could pay for a month with Google Pay. I haven't ever used it, so does it work this way? I get myself a Google Pay prepaid card (which I am guessing I can do without giving up personal info) and add it to the Google Pay app on my sugar burner? Then I can pay my membership on the seeking.com app from Google Pay? If someone has experience doing this, or a correction of it, I'd be very grateful.
I only have a membership on seeking for a month at a time, perhaps less, it isn't necessary for me to have a full plate, and I get too obsessed w / finding new SBs. I have used the app to set up a new profile, with that you can get a week of full membership for <$30, that has worked for me at some time.You can add a prepaid card to Google pay. I just did it a week ago. In my case, I used a Vanilla prepaid card available at most drug stores.
Uh, there's a disconnect here. You say your SB is a 'civvy' - but then she says 'most guys' - so, obviously, she has a database big enough to use *most* - you've got what is defined here as an UTR.I suppose you are right in that regard. From my limited 9 month life of sugaring in the Bowl, I've found what I would say are real civvies, UTRs and outright professionals. Of course, how one characterizes an SB is a constant debate here and we all have our own opinions. And because I'm a relative newbie, my opinion is moot as I have no idea what the Bowl was like last year, two or ten years ago. We each have our reasons for playing in the Bowl and sometimes I'm willing to nurture an actual SB while other times I just want to get my dick wet because I have the time and cash and my experience, for the most part, is that the SBs, even the UTRs, are better than the pros as they don't watch the clock, and provide an overall better experience.
AceKingQueen
12-12-18, 15:28
Z,
Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!
Waiting with bated breath.
Scott.This works good. But the SA IT team will fix this bug (it's very east to fix (two lines of code change) if they know that we know about it. So we need to use it only thru PMs not publicly.
I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.
JustLonely
12-13-18, 06:35
I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.I might get one out of 30 pic searches to work. That's for 30 women, not pics. But with that said I just searched one this morning and it came back associated with a Taiwan twitter account.
My best search tool was FB before they blocked phone number searches. With more and more people making their Socials for friends only, it is getting harder to get any intel on them.
I might get one out of 30 pic searches to work. That's for 30 women, not pics. But with that said I just searched one this morning and it came back associated with a Taiwan twitter account.
My best search tool was FB before they blocked phone number searches. With more and more people making their Socials for friends only, it is getting harder to get any intel on them.Yes. I use an iPhone. When I get a number, I assign it to a contact. I've had several of those contacts "pop up" in my FB list of people I may know. It sometimes takes a couple days of exchanging texts before it does tho.
Yes. I use an iPhone. When I get a number, I assign it to a contact. I've had several of those contacts "pop up" in my FB list of people I may know. It sometimes takes a couple days of exchanging texts before it does tho.Snap Chat works well too.
Member #6951
12-13-18, 10:02
I run all numbers through the Mr Number app (I pay for the premium membership). Depending on how diligent I am being in my initial screening, I'd say it spits back a name 33-50% of the time. I can then run that through google to see if linked in results turn up and run through Facebook.
BookerTNelson
12-13-18, 10:20
I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.I haven't done image searches but once I get a phone number, they do pop up on social media rather frequently which helps me get a feel for them overall. Once you get a true view of them and the image they put out, much easier to make an informed decision.
I often thought she was interesting but for some reason hesitated contacting her. I'm curious if anyone ever met with her and what the results were? She doesn't seem to be too active on SA presently.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a6d0b...9-6da16d703ace
RedBaron69
12-13-18, 15:04
I have been talking with her off and on for a few weeks. Wants $$ 5 for an evening. Seems kinda flaky. There one day and then conversation just drops right in the middle. LOL.
Would be interested if any one else has info.
I often thought she was interesting but for some reason hesitated contacting her. I'm curious if anyone ever met with her and what the results were? She doesn't seem to be too active on SA presently.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a6d0b...9-6da16d703ace
RedBaron69
12-13-18, 15:09
Any info on this one? Thanks.
https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54
HollywoodGuy
12-13-18, 21:18
I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0701b60a-4090-4172-87c3-4aabe9bde05c
Seems to be DTF. Unfortunately for me, she is lives mostly in Richmond, not in Alexandria as I had hoped, so she is too far from me. Anyone else contacted her?
Ks Dark Knight
12-14-18, 03:18
I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.Well I certainly do and appreciate the posts HG. Is this the 18 yr old new one? Can't tell from the back LOL.
HollywoodGuy
12-14-18, 03:38
Well I certainly do and appreciate the posts HG. Is this the 18 yr old new one? Can't tell from the back LOL.yes it's her
JustLonely
12-14-18, 11:06
https://www.seeking.com/member/0701b60a-4090-4172-87c3-4aabe9bde05c
Seems to be DTF. Unfortunately for me, she is lives mostly in Richmond, not in Alexandria as I had hoped, so she is too far from me. Anyone else contacted her?Wanted to get paid for M&G. Which I do not do.
Any info on this one? Thanks.
https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54Texted her extensively in the Spring. Seems legit and gets it, just a tad pricey.
GoneForDays
12-15-18, 06:56
I chatted her up for a while and tried to hook up but she lives out in the sticks and is hard to get her to town. Gave up after a few tries. She is real, we talked on the phone a couple of times. Good luck.
Any info on this one? Thanks.
https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54
GoneForDays
12-15-18, 06:58
LOL she's quite a package.
I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.
Geechie Dan
12-15-18, 09:59
I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.All I can say is LUCKY YOU. Looks nice from that view.
Madaboutmax
12-15-18, 11:34
That sure is a nice view!
[2 QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl. [ / QUOTE].
HollywoodGuy
12-15-18, 13:08
I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.So far we are at 600+ views, LA thread is at 1,000+ views (but pic has been up for a few more days).
CandyMan555
12-15-18, 15:11
Some one said to set up a new email account with an International card. Assistance needed Thanks CM.
So while I'm still very happy with my 3-month-and-counting SB on a personal level, there have been enough tradeoffs on the physical intimacy end that I decided to do a little more exploring to get some concrete comparisons. So far I haven't found much that would be even in the ballpark for matching the classiness of this young lady. But a recent one was just off the charts weird.
So I found a 30-something that seemed like it might be a stable situation and maybe a different physical dynamic. But it was a really odd mixed message. When I shared my GV number she called rather than texted (who does that? She seemed rather sweet and I decided to go out on a limb and just schedule an NSA on the phone. It was when I had to reschedule over texting that I start getting serious desperation vibes, which would normally make me exit stage left pretty damned fast. We texted back and forth and I gave her some clear indications that this was getting out of my comfort zone, with some general explanations as to why. I was about ready to totally bail out, and frankly I don't know why I didn't.
But we agreed to phone each other the next day to renegotiate where to meet for dinner. And we talked a lot about why I was uncomfortable, and she shared more detail about the tough spot she was in, and that got me to the point where I figured a dinner couldn't hurt. On meeting her she was a little quirky, but in an innocent way, and her story hung together in a way that eased my paranoia. So I offered that while I couldn't promise anything long term just yet, I'd be fine with a date since her needs seemed so urgent.
As FC visits go, was definitely not great. She had a lot of restrictions (CBJ, no DATY), and in general gave an amateur vibe. Nice that this wasn't some UTR, but she also really didn't seem to know what she was doing or how to act. I'm pretty sure I was her first FC visit. Out of charity and hoping that she would get better with more direction, I offered a date the next week.
I semi-ghosted her the next day, as I was busy with an overnight with my regular SB. But the day after that I opened up a casual conversation on text to keep the iron warm. She responded with "who is this? I texted her one of my stock selfies and suddenly she remembered my name. Uh, ok. Not much after that and I wasn't terribly motivated anyway.
Then tonight I get a message from her on SA that she had updated her profile and to "hmu" if I was interested. WTF? We'd already had a date, another one tentatively planned, and I had even taken her grocery shopping between dinner and the FC because she genuinely seemed to need help. Yet she messages me as if she doesn't know me.
Either there are a few screws loose, or she's an extremely talented actress / scam artist. If the latter I don't know what her angle is, and both in phone conversations and in person she seemed about as guileless as any SB I've met.
I wasn't interested in a long-term thing anyway, as I really didn't want the drama. So now I'm mostly motivated to let her just totally flake on me and fade away, will save me the trouble of cutting her loose.
But, just. Wow.
I'm not a SA member, but had an awesome SB until October & follow this thread.
I've hesitated to join SA & only have the access you get from having a free account. Can look but not message or see everything in a profile. Get messages but not be able to read them or have a conversation via the I'm.
I get tons of girls checking out my profile & messaging me, but can't read them. One from about four weeks ago. For some reason I could still not read it but I just was able to message her back my GV cell number. Immediately tried another one and it was blocked again.
Can SB at a certain level, like premium, get messages from non paying members?
I'm on the fence about becoming a member. I've had three SB in the last three years. The awesome one for 2 1/2 years that ended in October when she got engaged to her live in BF of over four years, another, a stripper I still see now & then, I've been seen for over 2 1/2 years & an ebony model I saw last March for about a month.
#1 college co-ed now 26, #2 stripper 25, #3 single mom, 24.
All three I just chatted up & went from there. Surprisingly, of the three the stripper took the longest to bed. We did priivate dances but she wouldn't take her panties off. She claimed to only like girls, I thought she was just putting me off. When I finally got in her she was so tight it took a lot of DATY to loosen her up & still lube to get in, and I'm average size. To say she fucked my brains out would be an understatement. My first and so far only true squirter, she soaked the bed!
I'm working on a super cute 30 year old bartender currently with a killer bod.
It takes a lot more work & time this way but when you get in it's worth it. SB #1 turned into a legit love affair. Miss her for sure.
HollywoodGuy
12-16-18, 09:22
I don't know how to highlight one section of the quote here, but I responding to your part about cleaning up, staying in shape, etc. This is huge, as no younger girl wants to be pounded by an old obese slob, no offense to anyone. But facts are facts. I take this part of my game even further. I micro manage every aspect of my overall looks and health and you know what? Not only is it good for sugar dating, it's just good for overall health and well being. I basically bodybuild. I'm no pro, but could be a solid amateur bodybuilder. When I walk into meet these girls, they can tell, yes, I'm older, but to have my build, they know I have my shit together. I've had girls say they should be offering me allowance and a few probably meant it. I have little empathy for anyone who lets themselves totally go. So keep that in mind. My one vice that counters all this, is drinking. I do better with the girls when buzzed and loosened up, and since I'm dating them so much, I find myself having several drinks, multiple times per week and that has set me back. But drinking really helps me be more open as I can be a bit stiff without it.
My point is, if you're a 40 plus year old guy, get your hormones checked, get them in line and don; t just do some morning sit-ups and call it good, train your body, get in the best shape of you life and you'll do ten times better at this game. The girls will actually be into you! I speak from experience! And they best sex you can have with anyone, is someone having fun too and into it.
Two cents.I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.
Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game.
And drinking specifically will start to have negative effects on your ability to get it up over time. But you already know all this or should. And the mixing of drinking with sex enhancing drugs like viagra or cialis is a big no no.
Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.
Just my 1 cent.
I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.
Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game..This thread is worth reviving! I mean, we are middle aged guys that are hanging out with banging hot 20-30 something ladies. Yes, for the most part, we have our shit together, provide and allowance / gifts and add to their life experiences. And yes, they will venture to the FC for those, but they will lay it on the line and enjoy the the experiences far more if they are attracted. We simply have to take care of ourselves, not only for this hobby, but in general.
The working out part is more important after we hit our early to mid 40's. Our testosterone production decreases dramatically when we reach that age and muscle mass decreases. If we maintain the same weight that translates to increased fat storage, which further decreases testosterone. Lifting weights is three pronged: It increases muscle mass, it decreases fat storage, and increases testosterone production. You don't have to be a gym rat to get the these effects. 3 days a week of even light-moderate exercise will yield great results. Your boner and your SB will thank you for that investment!
I am upper 40's, nearly 50, and I am having the time of my life. 4 pops with a hot co-ed just yesterday / last night only to wake up this morning for another hours worth of FC. Supplements worth mentioning: CoQ10, SeroVital, Turmeric, and a Testosterone supplement I get from Costco. I also use Rodan and Fields beyond the shave regimen.
Not only for the hobby, but for life in general, we need to take care of the machine that we are using to make this hobby so much fun.
Good luck fellas and be careful out there!!
Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.
Just my 1 cent.Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.
And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.
Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.
And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!
Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.
And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.
Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.
And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!Good work dude!!
HollywoodGuy
12-16-18, 18:52
I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. Maybe its time to up your game?
Geechie Dan
12-16-18, 18:54
I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.
Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?
I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.
Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?I've met 5-6 married ladies from the SB websites. One was in an open relationship, the rest were looking for a side piece. I'd say, from my experience, they are not SB per se. They are using the SB websites to find, what they assume, upscale and non-dramatic dudes. Guys that are not going to blow their cover, etc. Only one would let me give her money on rare occasion. All of them wanted to sexually experiment and do stuff they've seen in porn that their old man wouldn't do. They are one of the better kept secrets.
The con would be their availability. They tend to not be able to meet a couple times a week. Pitfalls would obviously be a jealous husband that seeks to level the score thru violence or other destruction. I met one married lady who's husband had caught her before, who was charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter after T-boning her fuck toy at 75 mph at an intersection.
Be careful and stay safe dude.
Maybe its time to up your game?On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.
This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.
I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.
I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .
HollywoodGuy
12-16-18, 20:39
On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.
This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.
I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.
I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .I think GPS is universal and constant everywhere. But I will admit that if I see a girl mention in her post that she just moved here (L. A.) from the east coast I mostly shine them on. I don't know how much time you spend online, but you really do have to dig to find the gold. Statistically my numbers would look pathetic on a pie chart. Luckily there are a lot of girls to hit up. Maybe less in your area. Don't know.
HollywoodGuy
12-16-18, 21:44
On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.
This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.
I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.
I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .Its such a small world. I am messaging this girl as listed in L. A. Everything is going great and then she tells me she is currently going to school in boston. LOL. All this, while I am replying to you. I guess she really does live here (L. A.) but goes to school there. Coming here for the holidays, Hope she follows through, as we seem to be in total agreement.
Hungre1234
12-17-18, 05:28
I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.
Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.
My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.I can concur with your assessment, I am with one right now since July and we would be dripping just by giving me a BJ, still one of my ATF. Had to take a few weeks break but will get in her shortly.
Enjoy the bowl!
J.
JustLonely
12-17-18, 09:44
My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.I had 9 months with a married 25 yo SB. She said she felt under appreciated. It was hot and heavy for 7 months. I even got her to grow out her pussy hair as that is what I like on a woman. She said her hubby wouldn't care as wouldn't go down on her anyway. So she got her confidence back as a woman and decided she wanted out of her marriage and told him so. That didn't go over so well with him. That situation dampened her mood and her marriage problems soon become the dominant conversation when we were together. I like to be supportive but I also view my time with an SB as my escape not a therapy session. So we drifted apart. She separated from her husband and now has a new job and new boy friend for real.
So for now I avoid the married ones and the open relationship ones. The OR SBs are another story with jealous boyfriends.
JustLonely
12-17-18, 10:30
Continuing on the Married theme, I have had 2 college SB's in the last week tell me they were not interested because I was married. One had not seen it on my profile and it wasn't until we were planning our second date that I off handily mentioned needing to get home by 10 pm. She said she wasn't going to be that "other woman". So that ended before the fun started. The other just this morning was willing to "meet for massages but no sex with a married man". That pleasure would cost me 300.
Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.
And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.
Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.
And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!I've written a great deal about how much difference staying in shape can make. It does far more for the overall SD experience than any other single factor -- everything from attracting better SBs, to allowing endless sexual endurance without pills. Women are attracted to alpha males, and alphas don't let themselves get lazy and out of shape, because they want the competitive edge at all times. I can't tell you how much free pussy (well -- free of direct payment that is) the cost of a gym membership has bought me in the bowl.
Regular exercise elevates your natural testosterone levels, and when it comes to T levels, no SB has ever thought to herself "less is more".
A good SB already (as opposed to an escort) has a natural preference for much older men, and while escorts and UTRs will do anything for money, the kind of SBs most of us are after do look for SDs they are physically attracted to. It's hard for an 18-22 year old to be attracted to a lazy schlub of any age, or a guy who has money but let his looks go. But the vast majority of them get horny for a successful and ambitious older man who works out and who can fuck them better than guys half his age.
Funny thing happened to me this week. I stumble on a hot chick newly separated in my area of NH on SA, I know the girl because I interviewed her for an opening I had for my company and she ended choosing another place over mine. Now I find her on SA but did not give my pictures, I have a SO and if I reveal my identity it would be just awkward and risky for my situation. I have her number but hesitant to get in touch.
Your input is appreciated.
J.
Funny thing happened to me this week. I stumble on a hot chick newly separated in my area of NH on SA, I know the girl because I interviewed her for an opening I had for my company and she ended choosing another place over mine. Now I find her on SA but did not give my pictures, I have a SO and if I reveal my identity it would be just awkward and risky for my situation. I have her number but hesitant to get in touch.
Your input is appreciated.
J.That sounds like a perfect situation in which to pass her over to someone else in your area as a favor. He either reciprocates now or later. All you have to do is give her his number and he acts like he is your profile. Guys are always asking me to trade off an SB I am leaving and I have never found a safe way to do so. This may be the only way. Before initial contact.
BAM.
I've written a great deal about how much difference staying in shape can make.And I wish I had taken your advice earlier. Though once you end up in a pattern with a very long-term SB it's easy to slack off, just like in civvie relationships. It was when the relationship with her came crashing down hard that I found myself in a mental space that fueled my weight loss and fitness training. It was a pretty negative space (summer was brutal, emotionally), but I was able to rescue something positive out of all that. The trick is to stay invested in it, and so far so good, as I'm continually seeing a return on that investment.
And I wish I had taken your advice earlier. Though once you end up in a pattern with a very long-term SB it's easy to slack off, just like in civvie relationships. It was when the relationship with her came crashing down hard that I found myself in a mental space that fueled my weight loss and fitness training. It was a pretty negative space (summer was brutal, emotionally), but I was able to rescue something positive out of all that. The trick is to stay invested in it, and so far so good, as I'm continually seeing a return on that investment.There are a few tricks I've found that help maintain the balance through the "comfortable" times.
1. If you're in any sort of long-term situation (SB or civy), keep in mind that if you get too comfortable, she probably will take it as license to do same, and before you know it she's not as hot as she used to be and neither is your sex-life. So by pushing yourself, you're also pushing her to keep up, and it pays dividends across the board in terms of better sex.
2. Don't deprive yourself completely of eating the things you want to eat, but when you do indulge, balance it out with something on the other side. For example if you eat a slice of pie, satisfy the craving but then later eat something like salmon fillet with vegetables. Depriving yourself completely just leads to a bottled up feeling that you're missing something, and most people who swing to the two extremes end up losing the battle to the far end of each extreme they didn't want.
3. Sometimes if I'm feeling too comfortable, I let my mind reflect onto past sugaring experiences -- not just how hot the girl was or how good the sex was, but I start picturing in my mind things like the restaurant we ate at, or what kind of art or decorations were in the hotel room I stayed in, or what was said in the first hour we met. Things like that. It helps to put me back into the "mode" where life is not mundane and I'm traveling around to different cities meeting different girls. Somehow remembering the smallest details of these experiences helps remind me why I want to go to the gym.
4. Don't bust your ass completely on every gym session. Get in the habit of finishing the workout in under an hour, and push yourself just hard enough that the workout itself is enjoyable. This in itself makes the workout itself become addictive, making you look forward to each workout. I've found never, ever to do "as much as I can", because the body does not gauge "too much" very well while it is warmed up during the workout. Injuries only set us back, so avoiding them at all cost is paramount, even if that means stopping the workout at 75%-80% of what you think you have left.
5. Remember there's another reason to exercise. Medical science now knows that failure to exercise is more harmful than smoking and drinking combined, so by exercising we are fending off a gazillion other health issues that would otherwise haunt us when our sugaring days are behind us.
Geechie Dan
12-18-18, 14:16
https://www.seeking.com/member/c1c90b54-c189-45b9-995c-35e6cb0a2ee7
Anyone have info? She's fun sized and I'm intrigued.
There are a few tricks I've found that help maintain the balance through the "comfortable" times.
1. If you're in any sort of long-term situation (SB or civy), keep in mind that if you get too comfortable, she probably will take it as license to do same, and before you know it she's not as hot as she used to be and neither is your sex-life. So by pushing yourself, you're also pushing her to keep up, and it pays dividends across the board in terms of better sex.
2. Don't deprive yourself completely of eating the things you want to eat, but when you do indulge, balance it out with something on the other side. For example if you eat a slice of pie, satisfy the craving but then later eat something like salmon fillet with vegetables. Depriving yourself completely just leads to a bottled up feeling that you're missing something, and most people who swing to the two extremes end up losing the battle to the far end of each extreme they didn't want.
3. Sometimes if I'm feeling too comfortable, I let my mind reflect onto past sugaring experiences -- not just how hot the girl was or how good the sex was, but I start picturing in my mind things like the restaurant we ate at, or what kind of art or decorations were in the hotel room I stayed in, or what was said in the first hour we met. Things like that. It helps to put me back into the "mode" where life is not mundane and I'm traveling around to different cities meeting different girls. Somehow remembering the smallest details of these experiences helps remind me why I want to go to the gym.
4. Don't bust your ass completely on every gym session. Get in the habit of finishing the workout in under an hour, and push yourself just hard enough that the workout itself is enjoyable. This in itself makes the workout itself become addictive, making you look forward to each workout. I've found never, ever to do "as much as I can", because the body does not gauge "too much" very well while it is warmed up during the workout. Injuries only set us back, so avoiding them at all cost is paramount, even if that means stopping the workout at 75%-80% of what you think you have left.
5. Remember there's another reason to exercise. Medical science now knows that failure to exercise is more harmful than smoking and drinking combined, so by exercising we are fending off a gazillion other health issues that would otherwise haunt us when our sugaring days are behind us.1. That's definitely true. Though in my case my LTSB was blessed with a high metabolism. She never exercised but always had a slim, spinner body to die for. From the day we met to the day she walked. Boy do I miss that.
2. My sister is a nutritionist. Her motto is "everything in moderation, including moderation". So yes, I have been doing exactly what you describe. Ever since summer I'd sworn off pizza, but finally indulged, but in moderation. Didn't make a dent. In fact I find that if I have a small binge here and there (relatively speaking), I tend to lose weight during those periods. My layman's guess is calorie restriction dials back metabolism, and if you give your body some calories, it gives permission to ramp it back up for awhile.
3. Yes. My current SB is as much about the romance angle as the sex, and that's a big motivator. Not to mention that when we do get naked, fitness-wise we're about comparable, which is a nice feeling.
4. I've been doing a slow-and-steady six months, and just enjoying the gradual improvement without being in afterburner mode. 35-45 minutes of weights and that's that, never over-extending myself. Preferably 3 x a week, and the frequency seems to be one of the biggest wins (going from 2 x to 3 x was noticeable).
5. Nice to know.
Ever since summer I'd sworn off pizza, but finally indulged, but in moderation. Didn't make a dent. In fact I find that if I have a small binge here and there (relatively speaking), I tend to lose weight during those periods. My layman's guess is calorie restriction dials back metabolism, and if you give your body some calories, it gives permission to ramp it back up for awhile.That's very possibly an accurate guess, I haven't put too much thought into the science of it. What I have found is that when I hit my optimum fitness level, it mostly seems to maintain itself. Where I have to be careful is when my normal workout deviates, like when my work ramps up and I start spending a lot of time sitting, then increase my alcohol intake, then start slowing down on the gym visits, then get irresponsible like when my girlfriend's friend gives her a home made cheesecake and I end up eating the whole thing in a day. LOL. After a few weeks of a combination of behaviors like that, I eventually step on the scale to see an unwelcome half dozen or so pounds, and that's my queue to quit screwing around and get back to the gym.
FarFarAway
12-18-18, 17:41
I am quite active (=compulsive!) on seeking, recently joining for the next month. I am getting a lot of the "what do you provide for an allowance?" question in messaging on the site. In general I try to negotiate that at the M&G, face to face, to get the best deal. It is also risky to do on seeking, it seems people have gotten banned for getting into that. The site is appropriately paranoid about getting shut down.
I have replied that I can't talk about it on the site because it violates the terms of service, but then of course there's no prevention if we start texting or emailing. I have also said general stuff like 'I wouldn't know how to have that conversation w / someone I'd never met' and 'I'm sure you wouldn't like to discuss sexual acts w / a guy you only know over the internet'. Often times, the conversation stops at that point. I know I want to deflect the sugar discussion as long as possible, but am I missing out on some here? Is there a different way to say it to get them to M&G w / o a sugar promise, or at least a sense. At one point, I think I was saying something like "I'm not poor and I'm not cheap, and I have had very desirable SBs, and they never complained. " In the absence of the old 'lifestyle' buttons, it's hard to know what they want.
Are these who get to this question quickly just UTRs who I mostly am not interested in anyway?
That's very possibly an accurate guess, I haven't put too much thought into the science of it. What I have found is that when I hit my optimum fitness level, it mostly seems to maintain itself. Where I have to be careful is when my normal workout deviates, like when my work ramps up and I start spending a lot of time sitting, then increase my alcohol intake, then start slowing down on the gym visits, then get irresponsible like when my girlfriend's friend gives her a home made cheesecake and I end up eating the whole thing in a day. LOL. After a few weeks of a combination of behaviors like that, I eventually step on the scale to see an unwelcome half dozen or so pounds, and that's my queue to quit screwing around and get back to the gym.Fortunately I've managed to not backslide that far. At most I see less than a pound difference when I "binge" (which basically translates into indulging in pub food, or a larger portion than I might normally have). And again, remarkably I sometimes see a small net loss over the course of a week where I binged once or twice. I know how much work "that last five pounds" are, so at the moment I'm pretty hell-bent on not letting things slide to the point where I'm facing that problem.
The only bummer right now is with the colder weather, I don't have clothing that highlights the trim physique. Good problem to have I suppose.
I am quite active (=compulsive!) on seeking, recently joining for the next month. I am getting a lot of the "what do you provide for an allowance?" question in messaging on the site. In general I try to negotiate that at the M&G, face to face, to get the best deal. It is also risky to do on seeking, it seems people have gotten banned for getting into that. The site is appropriately paranoid about getting shut down.
I have replied that I can't talk about it on the site because it violates the terms of service, but then of course there's no prevention if we start texting or emailing. I have also said general stuff like 'I wouldn't know how to have that conversation w / someone I'd never met' and 'I'm sure you wouldn't like to discuss sexual acts w / a guy you only know over the internet'. Often times, the conversation stops at that point. I know I want to deflect the sugar discussion as long as possible, but am I missing out on some here? Is there a different way to say it to get them to M&G w / o a sugar promise, or at least a sense. At one point, I think I was saying something like "I'm not poor and I'm not cheap, and I have had very desirable SBs, and they never complained. " In the absence of the old 'lifestyle' buttons, it's hard to know what they want.
Are these who get to this question quickly just UTRs who I mostly am not interested in anyway?See my post farther down, just happened to me recently. It was strange because usually the GPS girls (in my experience anyway) tend to not be the ones in pursuit. But she reached out to me first, and when I started to flake a little on her she didn't give up. Until we went to text of course, at which point the financials came up again, and then she let it drop that $500 was non-negotiable. Which is ironic because if it's that non-negotiable, that must mean she has SD's beating a path to her door, so why did she feel the need to pursue me?
I don't think she was a UTR, just a GPS who is looking at it very much as a transaction, and for whatever reason (ego, greed, whatever) needs to have the number be high. The one time I agreed to that amount was from someone who claimed to pull down $800 on occasion, but at the same time I was her last SD because she had given up on it as an activity with a good ROI for her. She had no spark, wasn't a clock-watcher but was very stingy with her time, and very much seemed to be of the mindset that she was the one doing me the favor. The latter wasn't obnoxiously so, but that was her general thought process.
So, I'm rambling, but I had no problem just walking away from these situations (demanding to talk financials first, are out of my price range) because I do think that these are girls I am not interested in. The entire vibe is wrong, as they are more likely to be calculating an ROI in terms of their time and are doing it more for the financials than the sex. As a result, the sex is probably not going to be as good, simply because they are either not into it or are treating it so casually that there's no spark.
JustLonely
12-19-18, 10:59
I am quite active (=compulsive!) on seeking, recently joining for the next month. I am getting a lot of the "what do you provide for an allowance?" question in messaging on the site. In general I try to negotiate that at the M&G, face to face, to get the best deal. It is also risky to do on seeking, it seems people have gotten banned for getting into that. The site is appropriately paranoid about getting shut down.
I have replied that I can't talk about it on the site because it violates the terms of service, but then of course there's no prevention if we start texting or emailing. I have also said general stuff like 'I wouldn't know how to have that conversation w / someone I'd never met' and 'I'm sure you wouldn't like to discuss sexual acts w / a guy you only know over the internet'. Often times, the conversation stops at that point. I know I want to deflect the sugar discussion as long as possible, but am I missing out on some here? Is there a different way to say it to get them to M&G w / o a sugar promise, or at least a sense. At one point, I think I was saying something like "I'm not poor and I'm not cheap, and I have had very desirable SBs, and they never complained. " In the absence of the old 'lifestyle' buttons, it's hard to know what they want.
Are these who get to this question quickly just UTRs who I mostly am not interested in anyway?I look to see how long they have been on the site. With it being a really long time, I assume they are UTR and treat them accordingly. With the ones that are really new, I tell them I am open to various arrangements depending on how well we match up. A lot ask me what my previous arrangements were like. Some even ask how did I help my last SB. My usual reply is that depended on the situation that brought the person to SA. Whatever the case, we have a mutually beneficial arrangement that we can discuss over coffee or dinner and see where we might want to go from there.
The exception to all that occurs like what happens just before Christmas and around rent due time. Some of them will say they need X dollars soon to pay for whatever. I will decline or say we can meet for coffee and see if I can help. I never give them an amount when messaging. If I can't get them to meet me first, then it's not going to be the kind of arrangement I am looking for at this point in my life regardless of UTR or green newbie that has no clue what a real Sugar Baby is.
Fortunately I've managed to not backslide that far. At most I see less than a pound difference when I "binge" (which basically translates into indulging in pub food, or a larger portion than I might normally have). And again, remarkably I sometimes see a small net loss over the course of a week where I binged once or twice. I know how much work "that last five pounds" are, so at the moment I'm pretty hell-bent on not letting things slide to the point where I'm facing that problem.I may not have that sense of relative difficulty of losing five pounds, because I'm sure it's harder than losing more pounds when the % over ideal weight is higher. But for me, not straying too far from the ideal is what makes it easier to get back to it when needed. It probably varies from one individual to another, but I've found that shedding about 2 lbs per week is pretty easily achieved (faster than that is probably not recommended), so if I get six pounds over, I'm only 2-3 weeks away from ideal, and I usually have at least that much notice before going on one of my traveling pussy-hunting binges.
Oddly enough, 6 extra pounds isn't really visibly detectable on me by others -- but I sure feel the difference. I'm already a naturally horny person anyway, but loss of that last 5 pounds seems to greatly magnify sex drive for some reason. It's as if my brain has been trained to acknowledge the slight difference in weight as the difference between "comfort day to day" and "optimal hunting mode". LOL. So it expects and craves more sex more often. Or maybe it's the diet modifications I make. Going to the gym is a year-round thing for me, varying slightly in frequency of visits, so not a tremendous amount of change there one way or the other. It's mostly dietary changes that seem make the difference in that last five.
Madaboutmax
12-19-18, 11:11
I appreciate when a girl exhibits GPS early on. It allows me to cross them off the list without investing too much time or money.
We've all made mistakes in the bowl, especially early on. I'm no different and spent too much on some girls early on. I found that there is actually an inverse relationship to the amount a girl demands and quality of the experience.
Girls that only do it for the money, think they are "the shit" and are doing me a favor, have almost always been a disappointment. Girls that genuinely like older men, are down to earth and appreciate what I offer, have almost always been a much better experience.
Surprisingly, there is little correlation to looks. The first group always dresses well, but often is hiding or covering up physical flaws. The second group is often much more casual, less confident in their appearance, but often take much better care of their health and natural appearance.
Often girls will use how much it costs them for their hair, nails, clothes, make-up, etc as rationale for needing an allowance for the meet and greet. My thought every time is "what are they trying to hide?" The prettiest women I've ever known were naturally beautiful and didn't need make-up, nails, hair styling, heels and outfits to make them beautiful.
Similar to the recent discussion on this board, I believe more girls should focus on diet and exercise more so than make-up, nails, styling and outfits.
See my post farther down, just happened to me recently. It was strange because usually the GPS girls (in my experience anyway) tend to not be the ones in pursuit. But she reached out to me first, and when I started to flake a little on her she didn't give up. Until we went to text of course, at which point the financials came up again, and then she let it drop that $500 was non-negotiable. Which is ironic because if it's that non-negotiable, that must mean she has SD's beating a path to her door, so why did she feel the need to pursue me?
I don't think she was a UTR, just a GPS who is looking at it very much as a transaction, and for whatever reason (ego, greed, whatever) needs to have the number be high. The one time I agreed to that amount was from someone who claimed to pull down $800 on occasion, but at the same time I was her last SD because she had given up on it as an activity with a good ROI for her. She had no spark, wasn't a clock-watcher but was very stingy with her time, and very much seemed to be of the mindset that she was the one doing me the favor. The latter wasn't obnoxiously so, but that was her general thought process.
So, I'm rambling, but I had no problem just walking away from these situations (demanding to talk financials first, are out of my price range) because I do think that these are girls I am not interested in. The entire vibe is wrong, as they are more likely to be calculating an ROI in terms of their time and are doing it more for the financials than the sex. As a result, the sex is probably not going to be as good, simply because they are either not into it or are treating it so casually that there's no spark.
The prettiest women I've ever known were naturally beautiful and didn't need make-up, nails, hair styling, heels and outfits to make them beautiful.My first long-term SB was exactly like this, as is my current SB. And they are pretty in non-glamorous ways, which to me makes them all the more attractive. My first SB in particular would dress in a way that de-emphasized her slim, spinner physique. Between that and a slightly nerdy demeanor, you'd have no clue of the sexual energy lurking underneath. So it was a real ego rush to know her "secret", and that I was the guy who enjoyed the fruits of that.
JustLonely
12-19-18, 13:10
I assume any potential SB who doesn't have in her profile Platonic or not looking for sex, is going to be open for it. Assuming as well that you have game.
Thoughts?
Geneva Guy
12-19-18, 13:52
My first long-term SB was exactly like this, as is my current SB. And they are pretty in non-glamorous ways, which to me makes them all the more attractive. My first SB in particular would dress in a way that de-emphasized her slim, spinner physique. Between that and a slightly nerdy demeanor, you'd have no clue of the sexual energy lurking underneath. So it was a real ego rush to know her "secret", and that I was the guy who enjoyed the fruits of that.My own SB experience is this. I have 2 SBs, one a MILF in her 40's and one in her 30's. Both are pretty but not a knockout by any means. One is a church girl, another a single mom. These girls are the best in bed. Open to all possiblities, they enjoy sex (both tell me and show it), one is a squirter. So, while there are a lot of stuck up "beautiful girls" on SA. I'll take the non-mercenary normal gals. When they leave, my balls are completely empty. Its great.
GG.
Madaboutmax
12-19-18, 17:10
Unfortunately it's not that clear cut. There is not a rule book and many girls interpret things things their own way. Just because a girl says platonic, doesn't mean she isn't open to intimacy in the right situation. By contrast, just a girl doesn't say platonic only doesn't mean she is willing to be intimate with you. I've seen an increase in online only and pic / video traders especially since the site changed its format.
Just like not everyone interprets FWB or NSA differently I think intimacy is the same. It's up to us to ask the right questions which is unfortunately can't happen on the site much anymore.
I assume any potential SB who doesn't have in her profile Platonic or not looking for sex, is going to be open for it. Assuming as well that you have game.
Thoughts?
Geneva Guy
12-20-18, 17:11
I just got bitched out by a gal on SA who contacted me. Now, I'm very clear in my profile (without using language that will get me banned from SA) that I'm not looking for eye candy because my time to meet is limited. And we will have "private meetings" only.
So, this gal contacted me and we moved to text messaging for the particulars. BF is in prison (that's a red flag already), and she has 2 kids and supposedly a job. Told her my needs (draining of my balls on each visit. But, I used the term intimacy in bed when she and I chatted) and told her my gift, $150. She then started railing me "you say you are a SD but you really are not. What about my allowance monthly"?
Poor girl. Can't find a sucker to help pay her rent, send BF in prison money etc.
I did explain to her how it works. She buys into the idea of "free money" from SDs.
OH well.
GG.
I assume any potential SB who doesn't have in her profile Platonic or not looking for sex, is going to be open for it. Assuming as well that you have game.
Thoughts?Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.
Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).
The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.
RWarNmsn69
12-20-18, 21:04
Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.
Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).
The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.As usual these are "words of wisdom" coming from you and I agree 100%! I have learned a lot following your posts on this forum. Thank you sir!
Safe mongering and sugaring!
BookerTNelson
12-20-18, 21:35
Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.
Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).
The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.Great advice here. I look at being a SD as nothing but a FWB situation where I chip in some additional help as things float. They've made the decision (consciously or subconsciously) to fuck, it's just up to you to figure out on what terms.
There are a few tricks I've found that help maintain the balance through the "comfortable" times.
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4. Don't bust your ass completely on every gym session. Get in the habit of finishing the workout in under an hour, and push yourself just hard enough that the workout itself is enjoyable. This in itself makes the workout itself become addictive, making you look forward to each workout. I've found never, ever to do "as much as I can", because the body does not gauge "too much" very well while it is warmed up during the workout. Injuries only set us back, so avoiding them at all cost is paramount, even if that means stopping the workout at 75%-80% of what you think you have left.
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I can't overstress how on point JL is here. I used to go to the gym just about every day and maxed myself out for 1-1. 5 hours, to the point of depletion. This was 15 years ago. Then I took a vacation, came back a couple of weeks later and started on the same exact routine from day one, same weights, same number of reps, etc. , and ended up injuring my spine. I'm still paying for that mistake today.
Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age become men under 30 are clueless losers. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
My usual patter goes along the lines of.
I first thought when an SB put in her profile she was looking for a "mentor" it meant she was OK with getting naked with a man 2 x their age. But I came to realize that dating can't be any fun when your choices are the soulful barista trying to find a more impactful use of his Humanities degrees or the video game addict who thinks going dutch on take out and firing up Netflix is a quality experience or the man-bunned software geek is always pouting because he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at StartUpApp.com after 6 weeks on the job. Navigating adulthood is confusing and sometimes overwhelming and one little slip up -- like a fender bender or roommate late with rent -- can really set a gal back.
Most women. By the time they are 30 -- will have more than their share of drunken hook ups and regrettable relationships that leave you with little more than fodder to laugh at with your girlfriends -- at best -- and a pregnancy scare at worst. And you can only take so much of the selfish, human jack hammer routine that is sex with a clueless man / boy who has been programmed to ask permission for every kiss instead of taking the lead in life.
You have the rest of your life to fall in love and do all the predictable things -- may as well enjoy life while you can, experience some new things (both fancy dinners / shoes and getting tied up and fucked all night. But that needs not be said, their minds go there), so you can figure out what you enjoy and what you want out of life. And who better to help you navigate all this than someone who has seen and done a thing or two and doesn't have to worry about maxing out his credit card to take you to the nail salon.
10 minutes of messaging along those lines, and they will pretty much go from an introductory drink to drinking you load.
JustLonely
12-21-18, 10:36
I assume any potential SB who doesn't have in her profile Platonic or not looking for sex, is going to be open for it. Assuming as well that you have game.
Thoughts?Some good points on this topic. Things got muddied up a bit when SA went to just Seeking. Too many I have run across now are thinking this more as a dating site and less of SD / SB. I make it clear that I am are looking for an intimate arrangement with the right person before we have any M&G. My preferred M&G now is a quick coffee after I get off work on the way home. I have found I get a quicker yes to that than taking them to dinner as it is a spontaneous meeting without any pressure for more that a dinner can invoke. Cheaper on me too!
Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.
Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).
The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.For those that state "platonic" I tend to press the issue shortly after moving to text. I usually tell them I'm going to grab a nap and napping is better when done together, or better after being "tucked" in appropriately. Or I tell them I'm jumping in the shower and I could use a hand for those hard to reach areas. Those that are truly platonic (truly virgins) will let you know quickly that they are not comfortable with such talk. I let them go before wasting anymore time or money. Those that are pros, semi-pros, or UTR (none of which I am looking for) will be quick to send pics and talk price, and I let them go. Those that are in it for what I am looking for (young energetic girl looking for adventure and maturity that she can't get on L / are swipe apps) will respond with "ummmm" or "I like the way you think" or "that sounds fun" or "I think we are going to hit it off and I look forward to joining you eventually. ".
I just got bitched out by a gal on SA who contacted me. Now, I'm very clear in my profile (without using language that will get me banned from SA) that I'm not looking for eye candy because my time to meet is limited. And we will have "private meetings" only.
So, this gal contacted me and we moved to text messaging for the particulars. BF is in prison (that's a red flag already), and she has 2 kids and supposedly a job. Told her my needs (draining of my balls on each visit. But, I used the term intimacy in bed when she and I chatted) and told her my gift, $150. She then started railing me "you say you are a SD but you really are not. What about my allowance monthly"?
Poor girl. Can't find a sucker to help pay her rent, send BF in prison money etc.
I did explain to her how it works. She buys into the idea of "free money" from SDs.
OH well.
GG.Man, Since the demise of BP and CL, SA has become a catch all. The chick above is on SA only because she can advertise for free for quick cash. I've noticed, now, 50-75% are pros, semi-pros, or UTR looking for quick cash transactions. For them it is a short game and they are leaving money on the table. I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time. But I take pride and get pleasure from my girl being taken care of (clothes, nails, passport stamps, cultural events) and she shows her appreciation with small gifts of her own and pressing the edge of her envelope in sexual experimentation and taking pride in looking as nice as possible in fancy restaurants.
Fellas,
For those that do SD / SB relationships, what did you get her for Christmas? I'm looking for ideas to round out what I've already done. So far, I got tickets for her and I to the nutcracker, high end dinner downtown, $250 Buckle gift card, $100 at her Tanning place, and $100 at her nail place. I'm looking for something tangible, discreet, that she can keep after this relationship has run its course and she can think back to the fun have had.
HJ.
For those that state "platonic" I tend to ....Remind them that Plato was famous for buggering his students.
I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time. Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.
These types of stay-in dates are punctuated with dinner or movies out, plus trips (NYC recently, Florida upcoming this winter) that are just a blast. For the most part, on our dates and trips I can all but literally say that I enjoy every minute of her company.
My recent attempts at branching out for new SB's has turned up nothing even close to this. Could I find someone more sexually intense, yeah, no doubt. I miss that in my LTSB, but she filled so much of my bucket list when we were together that I don't mind this shift of gears.
I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?
I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?Yes. A couple of times actually. One duo became friends and will blow my phone up periodically, even recently, even tho I haven't seen them individually in over a year. In my experience, one of them is always a 30-40 something married lady, from SA, playing on the sly. So one is on the promiscuous side anyway. I've found that taking them on a boat, midweek, to a quiet cove, to be 100% successful. Champagne with fruit and berries and other drinks may be the trick as well!? The times I've arranged meetings at restaurants or at my place, the younger / baby will often get cold feet. I don't recall if any of these ladies had men / women in their "looking for" section. These take hell of a lot of work, a lot of pic swapping, and several iterations of 1-1 time, and maybe a no show before they actually commit. Whatever you do, I don't recommend springing it on one or both of them. Good luck!! They are fun as hell, and I am not a big fan of 3-sum.
FarFarAway
12-21-18, 18:34
I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?You should look way back in the thread, bowl buddy BikeRider, I believe, set up a profile to snag threesomes some time ago. He was actually deluged w / messaging. I followed up w / him sometime after, evidently none of them bore fruit, for logistical reasons.
FarFarAway
12-21-18, 18:37
For those that state "platonic" I tend to press the issue shortly after moving to text. I usually tell them I'm going to grab a nap and napping is better when done together, or better after being "tucked" in appropriately. Or I tell them I'm jumping in the shower and I could use a hand for those hard to reach areas. Those that are truly platonic (truly virgins) will let you know quickly that they are not comfortable with such talk. I let them go before wasting anymore time or money. Those that are pros, semi-pros, or UTR (none of which I am looking for) will be quick to send pics and talk price, and I let them go. Those that are in it for what I am looking for (young energetic girl looking for adventure and maturity that she can't get on L / are swipe apps) will respond with "ummmm" or "I like the way you think" or "that sounds fun" or "I think we are going to hit it off and I look forward to joining you eventually. ".Thank you so much for these hints. I have also started to look more closely at profiles that include platonic, wondering if they can be turned. Always, doing something that isn't what everyone else is doing is a good strategy to get a better experience. For example, when SA had lifestyle buttons, I had a search that was only the top level, figuring many guys would stay away. Not saying it worked, but.
RappaHannock
12-21-18, 19:31
I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.
HumanoidX7R
12-21-18, 19:58
I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.After you sign back up, just go into your settings and cancel the auto-renewal.
JustLonely
12-21-18, 20:30
I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.
RappaHannock
12-21-18, 20:42
It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.Ok great. Thanks.
I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age become men under 30 are clueless losers. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.
While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.
Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.
Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.
Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.
So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.
College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.
While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.
Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.
Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.
Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.
So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.All the above is right!! Travel to Colombia, Panama, Czech, Hungary, Philippines, or any number of countries. The whole SD / SB, there, isn't stigmatized like it is here. It is the norm. Tho, I do contend the whole father figure aspect. I've nailed many upstanding ladies from great families. They are done with dudes their age! Dudes don't know how to open a door, or make reservations, or make plans and tell a lady "I just bought us tickets" for a particular show. The demise of the 20-30 y/o male population has been amazing to my adventures!!
Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.I did an unusual move and used my DSLR to get a picture of my SB that night. We were sitting on the floor using the coffee table to eat so that we could be next to the fireplace. So my view during dinner was of her 3' away, warmly side-lit by the fire, with the Christmas tree behind her as a perfect framing / backdrop. Took a couple of tries in LightRoom to balance the warmth of the firelight versus making her skin tone look accurate / flattering, but I ended up with a really nice memento. She was very appreciative when I texted her the results.
So now here I am again, with a gorgeous picture that I can't show anyone. Even though I trust some of the senior members here, I simply won't break my rule of not putting any SB pics out electronically. Even these past few posts were a bit of oversharing, but it was quite the high so it was difficult to resist.
Anyway, a bit of a rhetorical post, but it was on my mind.
HollywoodGuy
12-22-18, 11:53
I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age because men under 30 are clueless losers.I am currently at a factor of 3.5 times the age of some of the newer SB's. If I lived in Nevada it would be 4 x their age. Forget about the clueless losers (certainly a factor). A certain type of young girl is not going to see a 25-30 year old male as a Daddy figure, but just as a somewhat older guy.
You will find that the older you get the easier it will be to attract these girls assuming you have the prerequisite characteristics they are looking for. Take care of your looks and be in control of basically everything. Reward them when they do what they are told and punish them when they don't. The best girls will always be good, so you will have to punish them on a regular basis (mostly in the FC) just to satisfy their need to be subservient and to get the praise they so desperately crave.
This may be physical or emotional (and I am not talking about pimp style beatings here). It's about becoming a loving Dom.
While our culture of absentee fathers is a factor, look for the girls that grew up with just a bad father, the type that doesn't really understand or support them (even though they are physically present). They have been trying to get their attention for years. Many of the girls that have had absentee fathers have already created the coping skills needed to help counter the loss of guidance & approval. But the ones with the present but negligent fathers never have and they are still vainly trying to get that support.
When you have achieved what is know as "transference", you will have everything you are looking for (if what you crave is a good little girl that wants to please her Daddy). For me this is a lifestyle. I only live in the DD/lg world. While this may not be for everyone, I believe that certain aspects of it are what most of the guys on this thread are looking for.
Do I fuck UTR's and just regular vanilla type girls? Well yes I do, (especially if they are curious about the lifestyle). But the best sex and most satisfying relationships will always keep me searching for the next "new little girl".
Seems my poor judgement from a few weeks ago in agreeing to hook up with the rather desperate 30-something has resolved itself. She in this weird mode this week of complaining that her bank balance was negative, when could we meet, etc. When I told her that Saturday night (tonight) was the best I could do (and at that point I was mostly agreeing out of charity-not a good dynamic), I outlined a pretty reasonable, typical SD / SB date. She responded by asking for more since it would be a longer date, and I held my line on the financials. So she then said instead we could keep it down to 1-1/2 hours. At that point I stopped, and later that night when I knew she'd be asleep I texted her that I was sorry but it wasn't working for me.
The weird thing was while this was happening, she was showing that she hadn't been online for a couple of days on SA. You'd think with that level of desperation she'd be digging like crazy. But three days later no response, and in the interim I unfavorited her and deleted our message trail. An SA search that normally would have her appear in the list now shows nothing, even back two weeks. Either I've been blocked or she gave up. Fine with me either way.
The GPS girl I hit does show up in that search, and she hasn't been online for three days. I guess the guys aren't beating down her door to pay her non-negotiable allowance after all. It just kills me that these girls don't understand the bird-in-the-hand rule. I would have been ok with 3, but only as an experiment, as even a reduced-rate GPS girl is probably not going to be a bucket-list experience. But she wouldn't budge, so she's got $0 coming in. And she hasn't tried to contact me at all, which is fine as I'd prefer to avoid the hassle of explicitly cutting them off.
I'm learning to read my own reactions to these situations. Both of these had me stressed out while I was working them, and once I cut them off I felt a huge relief. Which is how I know I did the right thing.
FarFarAway
12-22-18, 12:55
I am currently at a factor of 3.5 times the age of some of the newer SB's. If I lived in Nevada it would be 4 x their age. Forget about the clueless losers (certainly a factor). A certain type of young girl is not going to see a 25-30 year old male as a Daddy figure, but just as a somewhat older guy.
While our culture of absentee fathers is a factor, look for the girls that grew up with just a bad father, the type that doesn't really understand or support them (even though they are physically present). They have been trying to get their attention for years. Many of the girls that have had absentee fathers have already created the coping skills needed to help counter the loss of guidance & approval. But the ones with the present but negligent fathers never have and they are still vainly trying to get that support.
When you have achieved what is know as "transference", you will have everything you are looking for (if what you crave is a good little girl that wants to please her Daddy). For me this is a lifestyle. I only live in the DD/lg world. While this may not be for everyone, I believe that certain aspects of it are what most of the guys on this thread are looking for..I edited your post for brevity. Are there tells you can use to identify this in POTs? Either in their profile, or a question you can ask in your early messaging on SA?
College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.
While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.
So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.The attempts by popular culture an the media to make Toxic Masculinity the Scourge of the source of all planetary ills is certainly clearing the field of age appropriate competitors. Another reason SBs turn to the lifestyle, they want to deal with a real man. And its not just the young ones. I had a 40 yo MILF mom of two, who managed a store for a national brand tell me. "All day long, I'm mom or the boss and everyone is always after me to do something or decide something. Sometimes I just want to let go and let someone else decide things for me and just let myself go and escape responsibility by being someone's fuck toy".
Whether its Daddy issues or submissive nature or desire to experiment, POTs pretty much pre-screen themselves as open to hair pulling, spanking, dirty talk and much of kinkdom.
And yes. So many have Daddy issues -- loser or absent father, adopted girls, products of ugly divorce.
And let's not forget to thank Bill Clinton for telling young women every where its cool to blow the older more powerful successful guys. Just don't let the world find out. Google Dennis Miller bit on the Lewinsky scandal and its easily adaptable to charming an on the fence SB. Basically -- its not often you get the chance to lodge in your noggin the johnson of some guy who can open doors to a world you never imagined experiencing. So I say go for it.
HollywoodGuy
12-22-18, 18:01
I edited your post for brevity. Are there tells you can use to identify this in POTs? Either in their profile, or a question you can ask in your early messaging on SA?Your profile should definitely lean towards an easy identification that you are dominant and prefer submissive, but without ever using those words. Half the girls that respond will be doing so just for that reason. Thats probably an easy place to start. I have found there is never a way to shortcut the interviewing process. Thats when the real truth about who they really are will be revealed. Generally speaking, stay away from the ones the talk about how kinky they are. Thats just a way to jack up the allowance. The ones that use words like shy or quiet. The ones with short profiles. The ones that just have normal pictures. They are not really going to flaunt it. The ones saying they are looking for new experiences, a real connection, treated like a princess, use words like baby girl. Its far too nuanced to write a book on it.
Your first trip to the FC will tell you all you need to know. Thats when you just put it all out there. And they will either be receptive or they won't.
FarFarAway
12-23-18, 09:57
Your profile should definitely lean towards an easy identification that you are dominant and prefer submissive, but without ever using those words. Half the girls that respond will be doing so just for that reason. Thats probably an easy place to start. I have found there is never a way to shortcut the interviewing process. Thats when the real truth about who they really are will be revealed. Generally speaking, stay away from the ones the talk about how kinky they are. Thats just a way to jack up the allowance. The ones that use words like shy or quiet. The ones with short profiles. The ones that just have normal pictures. They are not really going to flaunt it. The ones saying they are looking for new experiences, a real connection, treated like a princess, use words like baby girl. Its far too nuanced to write a book on it.
Your first trip to the FC will tell you all you need to know. Thats when you just put it all out there. And they will either be receptive or they won't.Got it. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My profile is a little more 'nice guy' than yours I'd wager, but I can definitely identify those other items. I also don't have my profile available to search, too risky. I think submissive girls are so common on the site, I always inquire at some point, especially the M&G, if 'you are the type of woman who likes her man to be in the lead'. It implies what I want but isn't so blatant that a non-sub would be offended. Often I get the reply 'oh, yes, I'm submissive'.
I learned a new term recently. ABG is asian baby girl, they're subs.
HollywoodGuy
12-23-18, 13:09
Got it. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My profile is a little more 'nice guy' than yours I'd wager, but I can definitely identify those other items. I also don't have my profile available to search, too risky. I think submissive girls are so common on the site, I always inquire at some point, especially the M&G, if 'you are the type of woman who likes her man to be in the lead'. It implies what I want but isn't so blatant that a non-sub would be offended. Often I get the reply 'oh, yes, I'm submissive'.
I learned a new term recently. ABG is asian baby girl, they're subs.Princesses and baby girls. Gotta love "em.
FarFarAway
12-25-18, 11:44
To curry favor w / a POT. Be sure to send a 'Christmas card' to any girl you've got any interest in or had a good time with. You can dig up Christmas scenes that are animated gifs on the web, they go fine via text.
TheHobbyLobby
12-25-18, 18:08
So I am currently on some civvy sites. I am trying to date. I also hobby until then. I just found out that three of my former SB are now in relationships. I wonder, how the hell do SB get into relationships and I am still singel LOL. I wonder if their SO would still date them if they found out their GF used to be escorts. LOL.
RappaHannock
12-26-18, 09:31
I am relatively new to SA though I have had some limited success there.
Several things I have been thinking about and I am interested in others opinions or experiences based on what you have observed. So what are your thoughts on when a person favorites you? I am talking about local not someone from another country. I assume it means that person has read your profile and they have some interest in at least chatting. But then I think, why didn't they just message you and say hello, check out my profile and message me back if you want to chat. Just curious as to your thoughts on what message is it they are trying to convey.
If you favorite someone, what message are you trying to convey to that person?
I have chosen not to complete anything in regard to my annual income or net worth. The main reason is while I understand that is an important part of the deal, I don't really want that to be the main reason someone reaches out to you or responds to you. Interested to know if most people complete that, if so how honest about it are you and how important do you think it is as part of your profile.
I don't have any pictures posted on my profile because of discretion. Absolutely could not have pictures of my face floating around on line. I know that when I am looking at SA, I really don't pay much attention to profiles with no picture and I am wondering if that is the same situation with SB's. Just curious about peoples thoughts and opinions.
Hopefully this post will spark some good conversation that is helpful and informative for all.
JustLonely
12-26-18, 10:04
I am relatively new to SA though I have had some limited success there.
Several things I have been thinking about and I am interested in others opinions or experiences based on what you have observed. So what are your thoughts on when a person favorites you? I am talking about local not someone from another country. I assume it means that person has read your profile and they have some interest in at least chatting. But then I think, why didn't they just message you and say hello, check out my profile and message me back if you want to chat. Just curious as to your thoughts on what message is it they are trying to convey.
If you favorite someone, what message are you trying to convey to that person?
I have chosen not to complete anything in regard to my annual income or net worth. The main reason is while I understand that is an important part of the deal, I don't really want that to be the main reason someone reaches out to you or responds to you. Interested to know if most people complete that, if so how honest about it are you and how important do you think it is as part of your profile.
I don't have any pictures posted on my profile because of discretion. Absolutely could not have pictures of my face floating around on line. I know that when I am looking at SA, I really don't pay much attention to profiles with no picture and I am wondering if that is the same situation with SB's. Just curious about peoples thoughts and opinions.
Hopefully this post will spark some good conversation that is helpful and informative for all.Most of the local ones that favorite me have NOT read my profile. Most are UTR or escorts. Some are brand new and just click on those hearts for fun I think. I can't remember ever having one that favorited me ever lead to a M&G. I have seen a few that I have messaged and we have started a conversation that later favorite me. I assume that is because they have a lot of messages and need a way to track the ones they like the most.
I rarely favorite anyone as I prefer to just go ahead and message them. My best luck in December has been with women who have age range up to 60 listed as I am showing 57 on my current profile. I can pass for younger than that as I stay in shape and barely have any gray in my blonde hair. No public pic and the private one is long distance. They only get closeup if we are texting and headed to a meet up.
Most of the local ones that favorite me have NOT read my profile. Most are UTR or escorts. Some are brand new and just click on those hearts for fun I think. I can't remember ever having one that favorited me ever lead to a M&G. I have seen a few that I have messaged and we have started a conversation that later favorite me. I assume that is because they have a lot of messages and need a way to track the ones they like the most.
I rarely favorite anyone as I prefer to just go ahead and message them. My best luck in December has been with women who have age range up to 60 listed as I am showing 57 on my current profile. I can pass for younger than that as I stay in shape and barely have any gray in my blonde hair. No public pic and the private one is long distance. They only get closeup if we are texting and headed to a meet up.I'm about to flake / blow-off a M&G that only got to the point of semi-arranged (that I only had about 10% of her focus was one clue, hence "semi- The bigger clue and the commonality is that neither POT wanted access to my private photos, which have more informative face pics. So they want to meet without actually seeing me (my public one has my face obscured due to the composition of the shot)? Big red flag, one that's about to be a big filter for me.
You are asking some good questions. Let me add my thoughts here. I have been using SA for just over a year (on and off). During that period, I have met well over 50 girls, and took about 30 girls to FC. I think my success rate is reasonable given that I am over 50. More than half the number of girls that I took to FC are in 18-22 yr range. Mostly college girls. I should say that sugar dating is not for the weak-hearted. If you want to score genuine SBs, you have to take some risks with out compromising your identity. My first SA profile had no photo, I was adamant not to send any photos to girls. All I attracted were escorts. No genuine SB is going to meet you without having an idea how you look like. Every time I renewed SA membership I corrected all my information in my profile as accurate as possible and added more photos (or sent photos via text or kik). I began to get response and interest from genuine SBs I am after and more and more FC visits with these girls. I firmly believe that having a profile photo makes the response rate go up. When I view girls on SA I immediately relate my thoughts to her profile photo. I am sure these girls do the same. These girls get lots of messages, you have to stand out and make them remember you. My public profile photo is a unique one at a unique angle without the face and without revealing my identity. In my profile, I say I expect discretion but happy to share more photos after chat. That way they get more confidence that I am genuine.
In my experience, when a girl favorited me without a message, it doesn't mean anything. So far I was not successful hitting FC with a girl who just favorited me without a message. I ignore them. I have my true income info on site, that way they know what I can afford and what I can't. Gold diggers are not going to come after me. Believe me or not, most of these genuine SBs appreciate honesty and straightforwardness.
Hope this helps. Everyone has his own way of approaching girls. Depends on what you are after. I am after college girl types with reasonable allowance, and my approach seems to be working so far as I am getting the desired results.
Good luck and play safe.
Dr. S.
I am relatively new to SA though I have had some limited success there.
Several things I have been thinking about and I am interested in others opinions or experiences based on what you have observed. So what are your thoughts on when a person favorites you? I am talking about local not someone from another country. I assume it means that person has read your profile and they have some interest in at least chatting. But then I think, why didn't they just message you and say hello, check out my profile and message me back if you want to chat. Just curious as to your thoughts on what message is it they are trying to convey.
If you favorite someone, what message are you trying to convey to that person?
I have chosen not to complete anything in regard to my annual income or net worth. The main reason is while I understand that is an important part of the deal, I don't really want that to be the main reason someone reaches out to you or responds to you. Interested to know if most people complete that, if so how honest about it are you and how important do you think it is as part of your profile.
I don't have any pictures posted on my profile because of discretion. Absolutely could not have pictures of my face floating around on line. I know that when I am looking at SA, I really don't pay much attention to profiles with no picture and I am wondering if that is the same situation with SB's. Just curious about peoples thoughts and opinions.
Hopefully this post will spark some good conversation that is helpful and informative for all.
Contrary to general consensus, I am having more success and less headache lately with younger SBs (18-22 yr) than older ones (25-35). Almost all my SBs that I hit FC in last 4 months are in 18-22 range. They are either extremely flaky and GPS or DTF. Nothing in between. Actually less drama than older SBs. When I hit FC with them it is always a blast. I can easily detect GPS, but flaky is hard to figure out, I guess I have to get better at detecting clues. My problem with older SBs (25-35), they over-analyze everything, they want to know all about me. It is more like a relationship than an arrangement. I really don't want to deal with that. With younger girls, if you manage them to show up for the date, the rest is easy. Are you guys having the same experience, or I am wondering it is how I approach them?
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.
Contrary to general consensus, I am having more success and less headache lately with younger SBs (18-22 yr) than older ones (25-35). Almost all my SBs that I hit FC in last 4 months are in 18-22 range. They are either extremely flaky and GPS or DTF. Nothing in between. Actually less drama than older SBs. When I hit FC with them it is always a blast. I can easily detect GPS, but flaky is hard to figure out, I guess I have to get better at detecting clues. My problem with older SBs (25-35), they over-analyze everything, they want to know all about me. It is more like a relationship than an arrangement. I really don't want to deal with that. With younger girls, if you manage them to show up for the date, the rest is easy. Are you guys having the same experience, or I am wondering it is how I approach them?
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.I'd say it's just a matter of brain development plus life experience. The executive function matures around 22-24, and then at that point the older SB's are gaining more life experience, and develop a different perspective. The 18-22's are still more impulsive, have very short time horizons, limited risk assessment, etc. So when you get a good one in the younger crowd, they are more likely to take your lead without applying a lot of analytical skills to the equation. Benefits / negatives to both dynamics, all depends on what you're looking for.
Now that my game is leveled up a bit, I've branched out a bit into civvie dating. I've got this poly woman almost on the hook, who has a serious Daddy-Dom / Little-Girl thing going on. But holy crap, getting her over the threshold makes SA look like a walk in the park. Good practice I guess, and less $$, but just, wow.
Now that my game is leveled up a bit, I've branched out a bit into civvie dating. I've got this poly woman almost on the hook, who has a serious Daddy-Dom / Little-Girl thing going on. But holy crap, getting her over the threshold makes SA look like a walk in the park. Good practice I guess, and less $$, but just, wow.Many good times to be found on civy sites, depending on how much time you have to put in it. It can also be a bit risky for a married man unless you find one that's okay with a traveling daddy, since a lot of civy finds tend to assume your local. The SA crowd by nature seems to be more location-agnostic. I've gotten some of my best pussy from civy sites, but the type of SD that wants to avoid involvement / emotional commitment at all costs (that's me) is going to find some issues there, because the SBs you find tend to be more relationship-minded, and in general more clingy. At least that was my experience.
JohnRichard
12-27-18, 19:03
I'd say it's just a matter of brain development plus life experience. The executive function matures around 22-24, and then at that point the older SB's are gaining more life experience, and develop a different perspective. The 18-22's are still more impulsive, have very short time horizons, limited risk assessment, etc. So when you get a good one in the younger crowd, they are more likely to take your lead without applying a lot of analytical skills to the equation. Benefits / negatives to both dynamics, all depends on what you're looking for.Usually the younger ones are willing to take on more risk with the expectation a payday. There was a recent study on teenage brain development that found teenagers are willing to take more risks than any other age group. The older ones have more to protect in their lives so they will be willing to take smaller risks.
Then you need to start figuring out how to manage this risk aversion so they get comfy with you, or identify the 'loco' ones who did not lose their ability to take risk.
Many good times to be found on civy sites, depending on how much time you have to put in it. It can also be a bit risky for a married man unless you find one that's okay with a traveling daddy, since a lot of civy finds tend to assume your local. The SA crowd by nature seems to be more location-agnostic. I've gotten some of my best pussy from civy sites, but the type of SD that wants to avoid involvement / emotional commitment at all costs (that's me) is going to find some issues there, because the SBs you find tend to be more relationship-minded, and in general more clingy. At least that was my experience.I don't have the problem of an SO to worry about, and in this specific case (and in general on civvie sites, if I can get my game up sufficiently well) I'm not looking for an SB. Already got one of those, don't feel like forking out even more $.
The relationship-mindedness problem in this specific instance is lessened by the fact that this is a married polyamorous woman, so unlikely she's going to get clingy. She's talking a really good game on the dating site's messaging, but I'm at a loss at how to move beyond talk-is-cheap. Don't get me wrong, the sexting is fun (no pics, just free-association playing out of dom / sub scenarios), and I'm willing to be patient. But I'm having trouble differentiating between two scenarios. One, someone who just isn't sure what they really want yet. Two, someone who's getting off on the sexting alone and keeps it more intense by not letting on that it's her end game rather than the path to a next step.
BobbyRichmond
12-28-18, 18:16
I have a person who favorited me with out actually viewing me. Is that possible?
Apothecary
12-29-18, 01:40
Yup, through search when SB / SD list appears, you can just click on "heart icon" and that person will be Favorited.
I have a person who favorited me with out actually viewing me. Is that possible?
JustLonely
12-29-18, 08:28
I have a person who favorited me with out actually viewing me. Is that possible?Even if they view your profile don't assume they have read it thoroughly. I have had three dates with SB's who hadn't noticed I was married.
I don't have the problem of an SO to worry about, and in this specific case (and in general on civvie sites, if I can get my game up sufficiently well) I'm not looking for an SB. Already got one of those, don't feel like forking out even more $.
The relationship-mindedness problem in this specific instance is lessened by the fact that this is a married polyamorous woman, so unlikely she's going to get clingy. She's talking a really good game on the dating site's messaging, but I'm at a loss at how to move beyond talk-is-cheap. Don't get me wrong, the sexting is fun (no pics, just free-association playing out of dom / sub scenarios), and I'm willing to be patient. But I'm having trouble differentiating between two scenarios. One, someone who just isn't sure what they really want yet. Two, someone who's getting off on the sexting alone and keeps it more intense by not letting on that it's her end game rather than the path to a next step.I try to steer clear of married ones. Too many things that can go wrong. If she says they are in an open relationship, ask her if she minds if you talk to him to confirm (if you don't mind cutting bait that is, because 99% of the time you won't hear from her after that).
Not that I haven't banged plenty of married women in the past, but they were usually civy bar finds and a lot of times I didn't know they were married until they took me back to their house while their hubby was away. I do sometimes meet married SBs but it is few and far between. They also tend to come with rules and restrictions that can annoy, like they can only meet in the morning etc. That doesn't start to take into consideration the possibility of things like the hubby finding out and putting up a website dedicated to ruining your professional reputation (for those of us that care about that sort of thing).
Married women tend to be VERY careless about their meetings and communications, too. Often texting their lover on the same phone her hubby pays the bill for. They figure if they get caught maybe their hubby will start appreciating them more and giving them attention again. They typically don't care if he buys a gun and stalks their ex-lover simultaneously while rekindling their marriage, their lover has served his purpose at that point.
If a hot chick wants to suck on my cock I typically don't over analyze the situation or worry about the above, but usually the married ones aren't as hot as the non-married and to me just aren't worth the extra risk. The risk is escalated in the civy-dating scene, because they have little to no motive to hide what they are doing. Mainstream media / society now fully supports the female in the above scenario, she is automatically assumed to be the victim of a husband that didn't try hard enough. She wins either way. The lover never really wins anything... free pussy maybe but in most cases, better free pussy was available from another non-married one.
Not to mention legal, physical, and emotional risks involved.
I try to steer clear of married ones. Too many things that can go wrong. If she says they are in an open relationship, ask her if she minds if you talk to him to confirm (if you don't mind cutting bait that is, because 99% of the time you won't hear from her after that).
Not that I haven't banged plenty of married women in the past, but they were usually civy bar finds and a lot of times I didn't know they were married until they took me back to their house while their hubby was away. I do sometimes meet married SBs but it is few and far between. They also tend to come with rules and restrictions that can annoy, like they can only meet in the morning etc. That doesn't start to take into consideration the possibility of things like the hubby finding out and putting up a website dedicated to ruining your professional reputation (for those of us that care about that sort of thing).Hear ya, and will definitely factor that in. In this case I'm hearing things like her already having a steady BF, that her husband usually vets new play-partners, that sort of thing. So I think the polyamory is real and functional. Early on I was able to establish a lot of cred because my SB (I referred to her as my GF, which isn't all that far from the truth) is poly, so there was a lot of discussion about those dynamics and how I navigated them.
I have to say, even sugar-dating a poly when you have been indoctrinated in traditional monogamous relationships can be very challenging, and so far I've welcomed those challenges and seemed to fare well. The two poly women I've sugared seemed to think it was a slam-dunk win-win, but what I've personally found is that sex is just so extremely casual for them that it can totally lack spark and passion. If I weren't so enamored with the dating aspect of my current SB I would have given up awhile ago, as the sex side of things has been unusually challenging.
CandyMan555
12-29-18, 23:07
Now that my game is leveled up a bit, I've branched out a bit into civvie dating. I've got this poly woman almost on the hook, who has a serious Daddy-Dom / Little-Girl thing going on. But holy crap, getting her over the threshold makes SA look like a walk in the park. Good practice I guess, and less $$, but just, wow.What civie sites are worth looking into? Thanks CM.
Z,
Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!
Waiting with bated breath.
Scott.I too can attest that this works, but my experience is that as a no longer current paying member, that the only messages I receive with either a phone number or an email is either from a scammer or a working girl. I too would love to know how to access more as this has been basically a tease. I have received some interesting messages, but that is as far as it can be taken without ponying up to the bar again.
Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips".
Madaboutmax
12-31-18, 07:24
I don't assume all women in the bowl are scammers, rinsers, have GPS or are Pros but I know many of them are. I've learned how to filter them out. That education was gained thru experience and some expensive mistakes. Reading this forum has helped me shorten that education process. If I get taken now, I blame myself for not recognizing the Red flags.
Any girl that talks about "knowing my worth" is an immediate red flag for me.
Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips".
Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips"."Blanket thinking" is universally reached for first because it's human nature. It is easy to assume that the boundaries of life are confined to our own personal experiences, and it is much harder to widen our understanding to fully take into consideration the experiences of others. This is what leads to the symptoms of narrow-minded people, who believe people are very easily categorized (I. E. All SBs are this or that).
Guys with lots of game find it very hard to believe that any SD would give a girl thousands per month in cash and gifts (but they are out there). Guys without game who haven't had much luck getting pussy without paying for it, believe that all SBs are hookers.
The reality of it is that the range of personalities and human behaviors is beyond the comprehension of most people.
I think this syndrome has actually been made worse by the Internet, because now, the average person with the average IQ believes that all facts about life show up in the first couple of pages of a Google search on any given topic. They do not even take into consideration the fact that Google is fundamentally a marketing company, not an information company. This means that what shows up in Google, Youtube, etc. Search results is based on an algorithm which will always be maximized to support Google's business model. It is not optimized to produce the most valuable information.
Ergo, because it's the first to show up in search results does not necessarily mean it is the most correct representation of the truth.
The reality is that the spectrum of SBs can run the gamut from full-on escorts at one side of the extreme, to girls with very little sexual experience at the other end of the extreme. Anyone who doesn't understand that is not experienced enough in the lifestyle for their opinions to be taken seriously on any level.
They are simply content to believe what they want to believe; and it's a case of arrested development that they are unlikely to ever be able to move past. They will never learn the truth because they've already confined themselves to what they believe they already know. They have one foot nailed to the floor and are running around in circles complaining about their condition, when they are the ones who drove the nail themselves. Whether their unfortunate condition is "Nature vs. Nurture", genetics versus experience, I don't know, but until they grow a pair of balls and take the initiative to recognize and change their own misfortune, they are sentenced to a lifetime of never getting pussy unless they pay for it.
When you're fishing in the waters of multiple large metros across multiple states, and the total population of all CSAs that you can select girls from is in the 10-20 million range, you get a much clearer overall picture than SDs who are casting lines only in their own hometown or area and basing their opinions on a much smaller sample size.
My personal observation is that the SB population, without a doubt, has a relative high ratio of gold-diggers compared to other forms of dating. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that you see lots of YouTuber SBs talking shit.
People post YouTube videos as a source of income and post as much click-bait as possible to increase their bounty. This means that the other side of the lifestyle, which is girls that are in it for non-monetary reasons (daddy issues, sexual preference for older men, etc) are not sitting around making YouTube videos about why they do what they do -- there's nothing to be gained from it unless you're in it for ad-click money, and have a lot of free time on your hands (i.e. because you're escorting or are just not getting called on dates from top-shelf SDs).
For this reason, YouTube is absolutely NOT the best place to "educate ourselves" on how the sugar lifestyle really works; far from it. That's not to say the content shouldn't be viewed or considered... I do consider it, but only as entertainment.
I don't assume all women in the bowl are scammers, rinsers, have GPS or are Pros but I know many of them are. I've learned how to filter them out. That education was gained thru experience and some expensive mistakes. Reading this forum has helped me shorten that education process. If I get taken now, I blame myself for not recognizing the Red flags.
Any girl that talks about "knowing my worth" is an immediate red flag for me.I agree, I don't like to see "I know my worth" either -- I rarely even contact them when I see that. I think it takes experience in the bowl to understand what parts of the girls profile should be ignored, and what part should be considered an important clue.
For example, if they talk about platonic intentions / not in it for sex, etc... they really mean "unless I'm attracted to you". But, if they start describing themselves as sassy, bitchy, demanding etc. Then almost without fail it turns out to be true, and it's not something that is easily overcome, so adjectives like those should be taken under instant consideration.
Using the SA App, if they swipe right, it will fav you without them looking at your profile.
I have a person who favorited me with out actually viewing me. Is that possible?
Guys with lots of game find it very hard to believe that any SD would give a girl thousands per month in cash and gifts (but they are out there). Guys without game who haven't had much luck getting pussy without paying for it, believe that all SBs are hookers.
The reality of it is that the range of personalities and human behaviors is beyond the comprehension of most people.
The reality is that the spectrum of SBs can run the gamut from full-on escorts at one side of the extreme, to girls with very little sexual experience at the other end of the extreme. Anyone who doesn't understand that is not experienced enough in the lifestyle for their opinions to be taken seriously on any level.
This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!
I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.
I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.
The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.
I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.
Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.
So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.
Viva SA!
This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!
I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.
I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.
The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.
I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.
Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.
So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.
Viva SA!Great first post! I agree that there are gems but definitely a ton that I wouldn't touch. I'm not on the site to fuck every girl I can although it's been an incredible year for me. A few bad ones, a ton of good ones, and plenty of amazing experiences with girls who are absolutely beautiful. Are you in the Richmond area?
Great first post! I agree that there are gems but definitely a ton that I wouldn't touch. I'm not on the site to fuck every girl I can although it's been an incredible year for me. A few bad ones, a ton of good ones, and plenty of amazing experiences with girls who are absolutely beautiful. Are you in the Richmond area?I am not actually in the Richmond area. My area is much more expensive, so I didn't post any numbers and I won't be of use for referrals. I posted on the Richmond board because you guys seem to have the most active discussion of SB's and SA of any city in the country. Although details and prices will vary in different cities, there is a lot about the girls that I think won't change.
One thing I didn't mention in my previous post. I never negotiate or even discuss prices online. I now that is different from the preference of a lot of guys on here so I think it's worth mentioning. If a girl asks how much online, or quotes me a price, I pretty much cross them off my list. Sometimes I will keep talking to them online just for price research. A lot of girls I just tell, very nicely, that they are out my budget, but I don't counter offer. Quite a few of those end up negotiating against themselves and drop their ask, which I find amusing. I may eventually be tempted to hit one of those, but it hasn't happened yet.
To me, a true SB, or at least a SB that I want, is one that I can penetrate without talking price first.
Madaboutmax
01-05-19, 15:22
I've had 4 arrangements that each lasted more than a year. Money was never discussed prior to first meet. We met the first time with no expectation of money or intimacy.
In each case, the chemistry and attraction was so strong we couldn't keep our hands off of each other and we had intimacy (mulitple times) that same night.
Even though we never discussed allowance, I slipped $'s in their pockey or purse before they left.
I still am in contact and remain friends with all of them.
I am not actually in the Richmond area. My area is much more expensive, so I didn't post any numbers and I won't be of use for referrals. I posted on the Richmond board because you guys seem to have the most active discussion of SB's and SA of any city in the country. Although details and prices will vary in different cities, there is a lot about the girls that I think won't change.
One thing I didn't mention in my previous post. I never negotiate or even discuss prices online. I now that is different from the preference of a lot of guys on here so I think it's worth mentioning. If a girl asks how much online, or quotes me a price, I pretty much cross them off my list. Sometimes I will keep talking to them online just for price research. A lot of girls I just tell, very nicely, that they are out my budget, but I don't counter offer. Quite a few of those end up negotiating against themselves and drop their ask, which I find amusing. I may eventually be tempted to hit one of those, but it hasn't happened yet.
To me, a true SB, or at least a SB that I want, is one that I can penetrate without talking price first.
This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!
I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.
I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.
The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.
I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.
Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.
So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.
Welcome, and I did want to say that if you stayed calmly at the table with the tranny that brought his own coffee, and wrapped that meet up politely, your patience for cat fishing is greater than mine will ever be. I guess I've been lucky that nothing like that has never happened in my M&Gs. I suspect the reason it hasn't might have something to do with the amount of online dating experience I had before the SD sites even came along. Dating sites came about around the same time I was divorcing my ex, and I watched them evolve from when a lot of women were apprehensive about meeting a stranger they met online in person, to an extremely common method of dating. I did get cat fished a few times during online civy dating, but so far it has never happened from an SD site (knock on wood), and while I did have one POT that was less attractive in person than her photos, it is usually actually the other way around with my meets (the photos don't do justice).
One reason might be that my instincts or process of elimination skills were well-developed from lots of civy online dating experiences. Some of the potential catfish or general photo-related warning signs I lookout for:
1. Many pics, but all taken from the same camera angle or the same circumstances -- often an indication of hiding something.
2. Little to no pics of butt / hips / legs, or all pics taken while they are standing to the side (kardashian-like centaur-bodies where their hips are disproportional can't be identified as well from side pics, but then again some guys like or even prefer centaur-bodied girls).
3. "Modified" pics (I. E. Snapchat) are understandable for public photos, but if she cannot provide pics privately that are unmodified, she is suspect.
4. Lighting of photo too soft (potentially using filters to hide skin problems).
5. Stripper photos -- not necessarily a warning sign but it puts me on alert for certain things. I'm a big fan of strippers and some of my best SBs were girls I met at a strip club, but I have found that employed strippers who join SD sites are a different game. They have experience extracting money from men, so some of them are hoping to tap into what they see as the "premium" market. My advice for guys who like strippers is to find them in strip clubs. Getting the one you want can be challenging, but I actually enjoy that challenge. Best part about in-person stripper hunting is you get to see what you're getting, almost fully naked even, before deciding if you want to proceed. Notice I said "stripper photos" though. If you meet an SB who happens to be a dancer, but is not using "stripper photos" to market herself online, she might be more likely to be capable of the "true" SB experience.
6. Original join date is not recent -- not necessarily a problem but I would confirm she is sending recent pics, she might have joined SA 4 years ago and already had two kids since, or became a consumer of junk food, etc.
Then there are non-visual warning signs that come from interactions with them, which some of my prior posts have delved into. It's a bit harder to make a useful list of these, because of course dialog and behavior is more complex to assess and harder to catalog than visuals in a photo.
Thanks for the tips, JZ! I have to admit the online "spidey sense" and online game are still a work in progress for me. Still, I feel that for a beginner, my batting average is great, and I am willing to put in the practice to get better!
With the tranny meet and greet, yes, I did stay calm. Was I pissed? Sure. But I just wanted to get out of there. I would have been a lot more pissed if I had gone out of my way to meet them or incurred expense.
With the "freshman 15" girl, it was a lot more complicated. She was actually a sweet girl, she just looked a lot less attractive than in her pics. I ended up buying her lunch while I thought about it. She was just 18 and very naive in an appealing way. If I had never seen her hot pics, I might have been willing to bang her in her chubby state. But having seen what she looked like before, I just couldn't get past it.
Both situations could have been avoided by asking them to send me a picture holding up a certain number of fingers, or a piece of paper with my username written on it or something. That is a common suggestion I have seen on this forum.
College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.
While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.
Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.
Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.
Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.
So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.Great posting.
The millennial generation of soy boys is frightening to observe, but very helpful to those of us over 40.
GoldNolder
01-07-19, 13:54
I've seen several posts on this subject; thought I'd share my experience. I'm hesitant to get on seeking--privacy and cost issues- so I've been on skout for a couple of years. It's a bit of a grind, but I've had some nice successes too.
I spent the morning with a 19 yo hard body Hispanic college girl. Total cost was 120 plus room. This was our second get together, and I plan to continue. She's got a gorgeous, tight body, perky full b / small c's, and she lets me do everything bare (my preference).
There are plenty of young women on skout who are looking for a sugar arrangement, you just have to weed through the fakes and the one's wanting money up front via cashapp or whatever, and the one's looking for actual dating.
She's not the first young hottie I've hooked up with from there. Point is, if you put in the time it's there. Good luck!
Member #6951
01-07-19, 15:42
I agree with everyone downstream — these are two factors that I often look to for weeding out purposes. Agree with most of JZ's points (though I like curvy and even hourglass big so long as I know in advance). I also generally agree that discussing allowance up front is a red flag. However there are exceptions. Sometimes you need to talk the talk with a woman that is new to this to get her comfortable. I look at when and how the topic comes up. If it is in the first few messages I am usually done. If it is before we have moved to text and I have shared a pic I am usually done. I'm ok with it after we have had a real convo.
Switching gears, I just learned that a friend's 30 something daughter passed away suddenly, unexpectedly, and due to suicide. She fit the profile of a typical SB in many ways — outgoing, attractive, vivacious, yet also complicated, struggling, and living beyond her means. I say this just as a gentle reminder to us to be mindful of mental health as much as physical and emotional health.
Switching gears, I just learned that a friend's 30 something daughter passed away suddenly, unexpectedly, and due to suicide. She fit the profile of a typical SB in many ways outgoing, attractive, vivacious, yet also complicated, struggling, and living beyond her means. I say this just as a gentle reminder to us to be mindful of mental health as much as physical and emotional health.I always make a genuine effort to leave them slightly better off than I found them. I almost always learn something about them and help them see something that's at the root of whatever issues they might be having, or share some life experience that gets them thinking in the right direction. Every now and then I will get a comment along the lines of "See, this is what I needed out of this. I never had anyone to even care enough to explain that to me" (in other words absent daddy syndrome, usually), and when I do get those comments it's very rewarding to hear. Whether or not the advice ever really impact their lives positively, I'll never know.
Every now and then I get a drama queen or some signs of stability issues. If it's something I'm unable to defuse or fix, I just make sure I don't aggravate the problem.
LongLasting
01-10-19, 05:49
This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!
I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.
I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.
The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.
I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.
Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.
So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.
Viva SA!Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?
Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? Don't make them feel like ***** -- until you are pulling their hair and they scream "fuck me in the ass daddy" and they ask you to.
20 something boys are boys and SBs want a man. They don't care how old they are -- for the most part -- so long as you cross the threshold of being fit and attractive, what they really want is someone to treat them like the princess they think they are. Admittedly, some have daddy issues and are especially attracted to men who could be their dads, just as some are repulsed by the idea. Granted, I've only dipped below 20 2 x and both had serious daddy issues.
Send them flowers, buy them a gift (not just lingerie and toys) they can show off to friends. They are addicted to RomComs but live in a world of clueless wimps. They like manly men, but can't admit it to their Me Too addled friends and co-workers.
Compliment them. Tell them how pretty they are (not just hot or sexy) and compliment their hair, outfit / shoes. And especially when you are banging them, tell them how lucky you are such a gorgeous young thing will share her time (and 2 to 3 holes) with you.
Don't make them feel like ***** -- until you are pulling their hair and they scream "fuck me in the ass daddy" and they ask you to.
20 something boys are boys and SBs want a man. They don't care how old they are -- for the most part -- so long as you cross the threshold of being fit and attractive, what they really want is someone to treat them like the princess they think they are. Admittedly, some have daddy issues and are especially attracted to men who could be their dads, just as some are repulsed by the idea. Granted, I've only dipped below 20 2 x and both had serious daddy issues.
Send them flowers, buy them a gift (not just lingerie and toys) they can show off to friends. They are addicted to RomComs but live in a world of clueless wimps. They like manly men, but can't admit it to their Me Too addled friends and co-workers.
Compliment them. Tell them how pretty they are (not just hot or sexy) and compliment their hair, outfit / shoes. And especially when you are banging them, tell them how lucky you are such a gorgeous young thing will share her time (and 2 to 3 holes) with you.Thanks much, great advice. I've gotten a lot of tips here. Had some good luck and sometimes spent too much or didn't do my homework first. It's all a journey. I'm in Tampa area, there are a ton of pros posing as SB on SA here. Caveat emptor!
I've been on SA for a while. I tried Seeking Benefits, but it was a bunch of BS. How about what's your price?
FarFarAway
01-13-19, 11:27
A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?
I've been on SA for a while. I tried Seeking Benefits, but it was a bunch of BS. How about what's your price?Seeking arrangements has the biggest selection. I always have luck when I travel too.
Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.
The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.Amen! Google the Nicki Minaj interview with Ellen. She goes on and on about how her generation hates to cuddle. That's why I love the civvies under 30! God bless Tinder! They don't want to get married, definitely don't want kids right now. They want to meet up, bang it out and get back to it. They don't want to actually "hang-out. " So I bang the sh** out of them, get out of their hair fast, and wait for them to call me the next time they're horny. And you're absolutely right about the ADHD. Every time I try to sit and have a conversation with them, their eyes glaze over. It looks like their head's about to pop off.
The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.Wow, that's awfully cynical.
Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.
The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.
There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.
Wow, that's awfully cynical.
Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.
The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.
There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.If anything, millenials and post-millenials are one of the most diverse group you'll run into. Everything from hardcore "Yes daddy own my pussy" kink from hard-line conservatives to stable polyamorous girls, to girls in not-so-stable poly relationships, to semi-pro girls just trying to make ends meet but haven't a clue as to go about it in this line of work. It's just freakin' all over the place.
Time and patience will inevitably year a compatible person, just like civvie dating.
So recently joined SA.
Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.
I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.
But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.
Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?
A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?I use Bitcoin, it is anonymous.
I don't know what kind of girls you're looking for but the cute, non-fat, college-age girls get a shit ton of messages every day from guys all over the country. For them to bother with going through hoops for someone they've never met or talked to is fairly slim. It will work with pros (high volume) and girls that are not getting much attention (non-whites, fat girls, older gals). Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA.
So recently joined SA.
Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.
I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.
But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.
Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?
BuffBill75
01-14-19, 10:39
Hey all. Great thread. I'm coming down to Richmond for a business trip and was thinking of trying to hang with this one. Anyone have info on her?
https://www.seeking.com/member/6d1d6cd9-203c-41fa-b057-088538ac9801
Just wondering, with such an age difference between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?Again, I have only been on SA a few months, and I don't want to pretend to more experience than I have. That said, it is totally working for me so I will respond. My MO is to try to get to a meet ASAP. This is because I recognize that my game is stronger in person than online. So I propose a low key meet, coffee, or, if they are old enough to get served, drinks. I never hint that I expect anything from first meet, but I also never tell them "no expectations. " If they ask, I just say let's meet, see if there is chemistry and see where it goes. But I always have a room lined up so if it goes well we can go straight to the FC, and usually we do.
As far as how I connect, I would say my approach is different from a lot of guys on here. First, I treat them like a date, not a hooker. Show interest in them and their lives. Ask about school, room mates, whatever. I tell them about my life, not any identifying information, but my travels and life experiences. I make no effort to seem "young" or "hip. " I feel free to give them advice and pass judgment on them and their life choices. In other words, sort of an authority figure, but one who wants to bang them. I make no secret of the fact that I am married and have kids. I brag about my kids and make it clear that I take good care of them and they get lots of opportunities. Pretty much every girl I have met on SA has Daddy issues and they wish that they had a Daddy like me in real life. So the next best thing is to let me be their sugar daddy.
The girls I like are not slackers. They are uniformly ambitious, usually smart and good students and work hard. They want more out of life. I paint a picture of how they can have that with me. I make it clear that I am interested in them sexually (assuming I am. I am interested in almost all the girls I get to a meet and greet with, so I don't have to pretend), but I don't dote over them or do any PDA or make any moves in public. I am very self confident and just assume that they want to go to the FC with me. And they do. I disagree that the young ones are not interested in conversation. I find them desperate to talk to someone who sounds different than the 20 year old guys they are used to.
I pay a lot of attention to their needs in bed. I always DATY if they let me, and if they don't let me I don't repeat. I try to figure out which positions are doing it for them and spend some time in that position even if it's not my favorite. My goal is to fuck them as thoroughly as possible, so I pretty much want to put them through all the paces and into every position I can think of anyway. If their favorite is not my favorite I am likely to last longer. And really, as long as my dick is inside them, are there any bad positions? One of my girls had her first multiple orgasm experience with me, and another one her first vaginal orgasm. Not bad from a still small sample size. Just like in civvy dating, this makes them want more of my dick (and tongue) of course.
Two girls did not have orgasms, did not want to try and told me that they never orgasm with men (a couple others also did not have orgasms but I didn't get into their heads much and they were one time deals so nothing more to report on them). Both of them said something very similar: that they got pleasure from giving pleasure, that this made them feel good and gave them a sense of worth. In some way that I don't really understand, I believe that this attitude also stems from daddy issues. Whatever the cause, when I meet a girl like that I ma happy to let her take a lot of pleasure from giving me a lot of pleasure. These girls are not as satisfying to me as the ones who are squealing with their own orgasms, but there is also something sort of liberating about not having to worry about their pleasure, and being able to just do what you please for as long as you please. I repeated a few times with one of these and enjoyed it thoroughly. She was willing to suck my dick for as long as I could take it, which turns out to be pretty long.
Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.
Evil TMP is quite right about this: "Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA. " All the girls I hit up are attractive and getting hit on a lot. So my success rate in getting messages returned is very small. Fortunately, I live in a place with tons of potential SB's on SA. And every single one of them is on there because they want a SD. It might as well be me.
FreeSpiritFet
01-14-19, 17:54
I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.
After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.
So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.
Here are the feelings about those girls.
1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.
2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.
3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.
4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.
5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.
6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.
7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.
8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.
And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.
After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.
Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.
I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.
And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.
So here are my question part and need you guys help.
First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.
But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.
Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.
Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.
Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.
In my messages.
I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.
Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.
I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!
So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!
JustLonely
01-15-19, 08:46
I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.
After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.
So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.
Here are the feelings about those girls.
1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.
2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.
3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.
4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.
5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.
6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.
7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.
8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.
And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.
After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.
Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.
I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.
And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.
So here are my question part and need you guys help.
First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.
But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.
Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.
Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.
Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.
In my messages.
I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.
Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.
I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!
So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.
FreeSpiritFet
01-15-19, 10:05
I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.Actually it is 180+, not 80+. The first day when I got in, I was so excited, I sent out too many messages at the point I get notice that "You can't send more message due to SPAM", and I even put a post up and ask how to get that take care of. I mean hear work, that is really hard work. I search 25 miles range 18-30, white+latin, and message those who I feel attracted to. And who is active in last 7 days. I don't even remember how many messages I sent out, I can assume you, it is a lot.
I took my time to write my profile and make it sound as honest, genuine as possible. And I put my pic on there too.
And I get a lot of reply saying they like my post and I copy some of them here:
Hey you, my name is Amanda ☺65039; Oh wow I loved reading your profile and your message was so sweet. When are you free?? Maybe we can get food or talk and play video games sometime soon. ☺65039;.
Hi, How are you? Your profile definitely draws me in. As far as your knowledge of what a girl needs in life. And I understand the mutual needs as well. I'd love to talk and discuss a little bit if we feel like we connect and would maybe like to meet. Let me know. I look forward to hearing from you.
Hey! I'm new to this (I just joined) what first caught my eye was your your profile, because that's what I am 😉 But second was your looks! You are a VERY attractive man 😍 I like your sense of Humor and the fact that you're looking for someone who can match your chemistry and am also looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation.
Hi there, thanks for reaching out. You honestly sound much more genuine than anyone I've met so far on here!
I feel like you won't even believe me when I say this but I've never seen anyone on here that has such a way with words. Your honesty and pure intentions are so apparent.
Hey! I'd love to get to know you too, tell me about yourself.
Hey there luv. How are you? Yes I'm very very interested.
My point is, the profile does matter, those girls did actually take their time to read before they reply you. Especially those new girls, they are nervous and maybe scared. The way we say it at least give them some kind of comfort. I try to keep my profile funny and honest and straightforward, and tell everyone I'm looking for physically chemistry which mean at some point I do want to fuck them.
I really like one guy here said something like: I'm at the point of my life just don't give a crap because the thing I have done, and the crap bs I have get to this point. Stuff like that.
I just keep it real and be who I'm, and Happy.
FreeSpiritFet
01-15-19, 11:09
I know many of guys here on SA just try to get young girls which is fine, and try to score them as many as possible which I understand it too.
But my intention maybe different.
1. I'm on there and see so many young beautiful girls, a lot of working hard but can't even make the ends meet. And think of my ungrateful spoil bratty separated wife, yep! I get a Real SB. But meet a girl and help her a little, I feel I'm actually being appreciated!
2. I own a strip club as side business, and I'm used to see those young beautiful girls come and go. Trust me, most of them are willing to fuck for the right number, and the rest can still fuck if you catch them on a rainy day for way less. And I feel most of those girls on SA will fuck you at the right price, it all depends on if you are willing to pay for and not regret at the moment after you cum! LOL Just in a few days, I found a lot of girls will do PPM for 100,200, 250,300, the highest I see is 500. I'm not into those girls. I want to find those newly join, not much experience on SA but think they can just provide companionship for money, and I want to turn those "good" girls to "bad" girls.
Save the bad girls, and turn the good girl to bad. That is what really turn me on. For that purpose, I'm willing to be patient and take my time.
Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.
Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.
Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.
I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing. Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again. I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes! So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!I'll try to address the points where I think you want feedback:
1. There is a way to do all of this without EVER negotiating anything, and that is my modus operandi. Most of the girls I end up with want a man who is decisive and in charge of everything, and by definition if one is negotiating with an 18-22 year old, about anything, is not an indicator of a man in charge. This is not to say it doesn't work for some, it just doesn't produce the best possible results.
2. This ties into #1 -- the best way to ask how much they want is to never ask them how much they want. It's simply putting them in control of the situation to do that. To elaborate on #1, it can all be done without ever discussing dollar amounts. Over the years I've written a lot about my own techniques, just do a search on my username if interested in my particular methods. I'm of the belief that there is no common formula that works for everyone, but by understanding how others operate we can refine our own game plan.
3. How much to ultimately gift depends on other factors such as how much time she has spent with you (including number of fucks and quality of each, etc) how much you've spent on other dating expenses (dinner, etc), but be fair when you do the math. For example if I spend $150 on dinner, maybe $75 of that tab is spending on myself. Then, was it her idea or mine to go to a place with pricey options? If mine, I'm not going to deduct a full 50% from the gift I give her. On the other hand, if she orders lots of expensive extra sides and fancy desserts, takes a couple of bites of each and discards, then yeah all that is coming out of her gift. Same thing if she is staying with me a couple of days and wants to go clubbing at night, shopping during the day.
The fact that you're reporting lots of girls are saying yes, then I have to assume you're either relatively attractive, or are mostly fishing in UTR waters. Either one of those alone will produce a lot of positive responses, but depending on which of them is the case, your game should really be optimized accordingly. If they are very attracted to you, a lot of them will be on board for anything and you can get away with little to no payment if that's the goal. Then again if you're throwing amounts out there, you'll mostly attract UTR girls who are looking for the money and nothing else, and as long as you're paying as much or higher than others are offering her, then you'll get plenty.
There are a couple of numbers to remember in all this, too -- how the girl ranks according to your taste on a 1-10 scale, and how she likely ranks to the taste of most SDs. For example, if you prefer AA girls that are 5'10" and athletic, then what looks like an 8 to you might be a 4 to the average SD. You'll find great success in a case like that, simply because of less competition.
All forms of dating, even pure civy dating are based on supply and demand, so you need to be very aware of what exactly it is you are able to supply (both non-monetarily and monetarily) and what it is you're demanding (in terms of the girls) in order to fine tune your game and get the best results.
So here are my question part and need you guys help.
First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.
But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.
Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.
Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL. !Really one in the same question. Laying out the scenario you had in mind is a strong first step -- there is also usually some implied time commitment for the after dinner / drink activity.
In keeping with the "don't treat them like a *****" philosophy -- never be direct. Be creative and speak in metaphors, but link them back to what you've talked about (demonstrate you are listening / reading). If they are students, ask "what tuition assistance package would be expected for our evening of fun and games" -- if they are struggling 20 somethings, ask about their "debt repayment package" or the like. If they are SBs to live the high life "how big a shopping budget would be appropriate". They know exactly what you mean and will laugh at your turn of the phrase.
Similarly, you probably want to avoid the one shot dates. So you will want to establish that as well without making the feel they are quoting you by the hour "What time do you turn into a pumpkin? "Do you need any study time before tomorrow's classes". "we could meet for drinks and dinner, then adjourn for dessert and a midnight snack. Maybe even breakfast in bed".
Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.
Whatever you feel the evening was worth. If they aren't happy, they will let you know. If you don't totally low ball them, but they were expecting more just say "well we did not discuss it, and I did not have time to go to the ATM -- did not want you to feel bought and paid for" but Ill make it up to you on our next meeting, assuming her expectation is reasonable for your experience.
Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.
I should have been more specific, but have found this approach works well with the princess want to be's. Some of them just want to be treated like nasty sluts and will tell you as much. Its more about finding what resonates with them. If they are banging Daddy to get even with their real a-hole absentee dad, its a different dynamic from the ones who were never treated like a gorgeous little princess.
I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.
So here are my question part and need you guys help.
First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.
But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.
Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.
Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.
Trust me, all of the girls on SA that are willing to have sex are PPM. SA changes dramatically every 6 months as it's popularity grows. EVIL TMP is 100% right! The decent-looking girls are getting 100 messages a day. They're trying to sift through and find out who's real. And who's going to give them the MOST money with the LEAST amount of headache. In the last 6 months, I have not chatted with one girl on SA that didn't ask me about allowance up front. Most of them are poor college students and they don't have the time, desire, or gas money to meet up with a bunch of men for free. And you shouldn't be wasting your hard-earned money and time unless you know you're going to leave the meet-and-greet with at least a BJ.
I should have been more specific, but have found this approach works well with the princess want to be's. Some of them just want to be treated like nasty sluts and will tell you as much. Its more about finding what resonates with them. If they are banging Daddy to get even with their real a-hole absentee dad, its a different dynamic from the ones who were never treated like a gorgeous little princess.The quote Ernest copied was re-quoted from my post. I may be over-generalizing as well. It seems ALL the girls I have met from SA have Daddy issues and are naturally submissive to one degree or another. I expect this is true of a high proportion of all SA girls, but not of all of them. It is just that what I am projecting only attracts those girls. That's fine with me. I am happy to stick with what works, and submissive comes in handy when you want what you want.
I am sure there are lots of other girls on there with different preferences, I just don't meet them. Like I said, my response rate is small. To make up for this, I send out a lot messages. My conversion rate once I meet them is also basically 100% (excluding the ones who got to the meet & greet by fraud), so it works.
In particular, I am not meeting the princess types. This is partly self selection, as I am actively avoiding any whiff of GPS, while not talking prices. And I am sure it is selection on their part as well, as I am not giving off a vibe that I am going to spend more than any other daddy.
SA is a big pond, with all kinds of fish in it, and I am sure lots of different approaches will work with different girls. I know a lot of guys on here like to specify prices and services before even meeting, and figure that saves them time. I'm going for a different experience, but everyone should go with what works for them.
I know many of guys here on SA just try to get young girls which is fine, and try to score them as many as possible which I understand it too.
But my intention maybe different. Just in a few days, I found a lot of girls will do PPM for 100,200, 250,300, the highest I see is 500. I'm not into those girls. I want to find those newly join, not much experience on SA but think they can just provide companionship for money, and I want to turn those "good" girls to "bad" girls.
Save the bad girls, and turn the good girl to bad. That is what really turn me on. For that purpose, I'm willing to be patient and take my time.If you own a strip club, then you know what these girls are all about. There's no such thing as turning good girls into bad girls. The girls lie about being new. They lie about everything! They're going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much money out of you as possible. Just like we sit here and chat and talk about all of the maniacal ways that we can get what we want, they are doing the same. The problem that some of you guys are having is that you're treating it like an actual "dating" site. The girls on SA are on there to make money. If there hanging out with you before having sex with you, it's only because they want to feel you out and find your weak points. They're doing what every female on Earth over the age of "3" does, they're trying to figure out how to manipulate you. They're not chatting with us or hanging out with us because they're enjoying our company.
FarFarAway
01-15-19, 20:28
If you own a strip club, then you know what these girls are all about. There's no such thing as turning good girls into bad girls. The girls lie about being new. They lie about everything! They're going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much money out of you as possible. Just like we sit here and chat and talk about all of the maniacal ways that we can get what we want, they are doing the same. The problem that some of you guys are having is that you're treating it like an actual "dating" site. The girls on SA are on there to make money. If there hanging out with you before having sex with you, it's only because they want to feel you out and find your weak points. They're doing what every female on Earth over the age of "3" does, they're trying to figure out how to manipulate you. They're not chatting with us or hanging out with us because they're enjoying our company.As some have said recently in this thread, a little cynical viewpoint. As some veterans like F Scott and bikerider like to say, you get the sugarbowl you are looking for. I am not looking for what you're talking about above, and thankfully, I repel women who want that.
FarFarAway
01-15-19, 20:37
I use this service a lot for a FC venue in my area, as I have a SO. I always have the SB get the room, it is truly a treat. It is less than 100 and super nice, no Motel 6, so they feel good about it. Available 9 or 10 am to 3 or 4 pm. Last time w / the 22 YO PYT SB I am seeing, I was early and sitting in the parking structure, waiting for her to check in and text me the room #. I see a compact economy car enter and park directly in front of me. A young girl gets out. I am looking to see if its my SB, b / c if so I can get her license plate (and for $40, her real name) - but it's not her. However, she not only has all the indicators of a SB (yoga pants), she's loading stuff into some tote bags, etc. , and running into the hotel. Got to get ready before daddy gets there. LOL. I figure a few other SDs are also aware of hotelsbyday and are using it like I am. This is in Orange County, CA, in case anyone would like to compare notes.
I have no experience of HotlesByDay but have been using Dayuse.com a lot. Dayuse let's you reserve without a credit card or deposit and cancel right up to the last minute without penalty. Hotels are all very nice. In my area a lot of them are Hiltons and affiliated brands.
Like to hear from bothers who have used both and can compare them.
I have no experience of HotlesByDay but have been using Dayuse.com a lot. Dayuse let's you reserve without a credit card or deposit and cancel right up to the last minute without penalty. Hotels are all very nice. In my area a lot of them are Hiltons and affiliated brands.
Like to hear from bothers who have used both and can compare them.Have been using HotelsByDay exclusively in my area, MA / NH. The pros: cheap daytime rate as low as $65 for big name chain, early am check in, 8 am in some case, no CC required to reserve. The cons: have to check out by 6 pm.
Have been using HotelsByDay exclusively in my area, MA / NH. The pros: cheap daytime rate as low as $65 for big name chain, early am check in, 8 am in some case, no CC required to reserve. The cons: have to check out by 6 pm.Make sure you check the hotels app before booking either (hotelbyday or Dayuse). Last time I booked (there's only 1 hotel in my home city that are on the sites) the day rate was $89 for 9-4 & the rate for a regular night was only 20 more so I just booked the night instead but was still able to check in before noon.
Make sure you check the hotels app before booking either (hotelbyday or Dayuse). Last time I booked (there's only 1 hotel in my home city that are on the sites) the day rate was $89 for 9-4 & the rate for a regular night was only 20 more so I just booked the night instead but was still able to check in before noon.The daytime occupancy is not really a choice for me but rather a necessity as I have a SO in life. So HotelsbyDay works perfectly for me, just wish they have more locations to offer in the near future. Keep receiving solicitation to invest in their startup.
J.
FreeSpiritFet
01-16-19, 16:02
I have a business trip need go to LA this Sunday, so I'm searching some local beauty to spend a night.
Dam, they are all pricy!
This one 1000 PPM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/122329be-be86-4a79-8daa-8d7f69f4be3f
This, 800 PPM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ed8323dd-14d6-4a4a-a176-226922548fc3
Dam, I'm not used to see this number LOL.
Where are those 300 range? Dam.
FarFarAway
01-16-19, 19:29
A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?I solved this problem and wanted to report the solution. Rather than using an online PayPal process, I got onto my sugar paypal account and did a payment by entering in an email address provided by my vendor. That went through.
I am not certain how long it will be possible to have PayPal accounts that are 'burners'. I have had this account for a few years, and they aren't asking me for verification of my identity, but some things I was trying to do to pay that vendor were certainly seeking that kind of info, which I am unwilling to give.
To be absolutely clear, I am buying prepaid cards like Vanilla Gift or OneVanilla, adding them to the PayPal account and making them the default payment option, and then using the Send Payment function on PayPal to pay. So, if you have a vendor who is unable to process one of your US-limited cards, ask them if they have an email address that can receive PayPal payments.
HollywoodGuy
01-16-19, 21:51
If you own a strip club, then you know what these girls are all about. There's no such thing as turning good girls into bad girls. The girls lie about being new. They lie about everything! They're going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much money out of you as possible. Just like we sit here and chat and talk about all of the maniacal ways that we can get what we want, they are doing the same. The problem that some of you guys are having is that you're treating it like an actual "dating" site. The girls on SA are on there to make money. If there hanging out with you before having sex with you, it's only because they want to feel you out and find your weak points. They're doing what every female on Earth over the age of "3" does, they're trying to figure out how to manipulate you. They're not chatting with us or hanging out with us because they're enjoying our company.True most of the time. But not all the time. With strip club girls maybe 97% of the time. But its one of the main reasons I stick with the younger ones. They've had less time to poison their minds. But it still blows me away how jaded and conniving they can be even at 18 and 19. Its a numbers game for sure. We are all looking for the gems. I have met at most one a year.
I have a business trip need go to LA this Sunday, so I'm searching some local beauty to spend a night.
Dam, they are all pricy!
This one 1000 PPM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/122329be-be86-4a79-8daa-8d7f69f4be3f
This, 800 PPM.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ed8323dd-14d6-4a4a-a176-226922548fc3
Dam, I'm not used to see this number LOL.
Where are those 300 range? Dam.There's plenty of girls in LA that are down for 200/300 range. Kayla Rodriguez is her porn name, sister of Veronica Rodriguez (another porn star). Paying for the porn experience I guess.
FarFarAway
01-17-19, 00:24
We've all spent a lot of time messaging w / girls, on the site and by text, and even planning on meeting. Of course, all of us have also been flaked on when we thought we had a done deal to M&G. What I have found recently is that a lot of girls message freely, and even provocatively, but if I ask to have a phone call w / them, they go silent. Obviously, if they won't talk to me by phone, they are very unlikely to meet. So, I am using this as a filter, it should save some effort. You don't have to rule them out, perhaps they may come around some day, but just shoot them a text like 'Do you have privacy for a call?' and see what comes back.
I don't usually just meet at the hotel, usually do M&G publicly, but just happened to settle on having the SB come to the hotel. She was 21,5'2" said body average on SA. Pics showed her to look pretty, nice at the top, but only 1 further away pic of her body with no head shot in the pic and all other pics just head shots and chest. Anyway, she comes over to the hotel, room, should have been a few extra pounds and not as pretty as the pics. So anyway, decided what the hey, she started on a BJ and rimming like no other I have ever had. She was so into it! So despite, that, had a good experience, but I have learned a couple things after last night. Refining my searches and do a public M&G always first. Save time and money when it's not as advertised.
Little Miss Grey https://www.seeking.com/member/203ae26b-c813-4fdb-a9e8-a8109ac4a47a.
Sexy sparrow: https://www.seeking.com/member/ba786f6c-7368-48a4-83e6-0b21e33391d2.
Blondredxhead: https://www.seeking.com/member/3af7a432-a6ca-486c-9b5c-e789c33dbe5c.
Julezforev: https://www.seeking.com/member/0fa2737e-ffc3-4a25-bb3e-b619e3bd1220.
Thanks if you do!
As some have said recently in this thread, a little cynical viewpoint. As some veterans like F Scott and bikerider like to say, you get the sugarbowl you are looking for. I am not looking for what you're talking about above, and thankfully, I repel women who want that.Hey Far,
Thanks for the shoutout! I honestly believe that if you present yourself as a hammer, all you will attract are nails. In all my years in the Bowl, I've only had coffee with two babies who clearly were pros, and I am convinced that is because my profile and my contact messages are written with an RL situation in mind. Pros just don't have the time or patience for me, haha!
Keep up the good work all. I'm still in the Bowl, but being much more selective these days, and enjoying it.
Tally ho!
Scott.
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