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PghGuy2005
11-11-15, 13:52
Heck! At least it will get me into the Guiness Book of World Records. Apparently her car is in her mother's name and she had stopped making the payments. I was about to "get in" when a car alarm goes off and my babe runs to the window and sees that her car is being towed!
She went out and I saw her on the phone but was not successful in keeping her car. You can imagine how it must have been when she came back in anyway I said "Let's finish what we started and then I will take you home" and she finished me off with her mouth and hands no CIM.
I thought the parent-child relationship could be relied upon I. E. Parents will not shaft their own but after this (mother did not care to tell her about the car payments) I have to conclude that we are all truly on our own!
According to the SB she deposited the requisite funds in her parents bank account but how did the car dealer know where the car was? Is my car being tracked too! Even though it is paid for? I wonder how she is going to explain the place where the car was repoed!
Lesson for me is stay away from the young <30 ones who are willing to meet for 200 as they are nando since SBs in that age group in Raleigh-Durham expect 500.
Beachesnole02
11-11-15, 15:39
You cannot buy a car on credit from a used car dealer without a tracker being installed, and it will tell not only where the car is, but it gives and history every 20 minutes of the cars life. On some they install several. Trackers are cheap, $100, and it protects the collateral. If you don't go demand the tracker be removed when the car is paid off, it will be trackable until the tracker dies. I suspect that even new car loans come with a tracker on everyone that is not a high 700 beacon score financing through a credit union or bank.
I'm impressed you got her to finish anything after that.
Starkey 2008
11-11-15, 17:04
First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.
While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.
Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.
Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.
So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.Rub. I guess I'm glad I can be of service. You're right, paying a higher amount is no guarantee that the performance will be better. And maybe you are getting exactly the same service for less money. But maybe not. I've been around for a while too (my posts go back 7 years), and I think I do a pretty good job of profiling POTs in the M&G. I haven't been disappointed yet. But how can you be sure that insisting on negotiating a lower price right off the bat doesn't impact the SB's impression of you and her attitude toward your meetings? If you have to negotiate for financial reasons, or if winning a negotiation with a 20 year old college student gives you a rise, go for it. You're right, some of them may be desperate and feel like they have to take your offer. But I think it's naive to think that might not impact the service, reliability and loyalty you get. Besides, I don't think I pay too much (especially compared to other options in this area) and I have enjoyed my experiences. To each his own.
Stark.
Starkey 2008
11-11-15, 17:10
First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.
While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.
Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.
Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.
So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.Rub. I guess I'm glad I can be of service. You're right, paying a higher amount is no guarantee that the performance will be better. And maybe you are getting exactly the same service for less money. But maybe not. I've been around for a while too (my posts go back 7 years), and I think I do a pretty good job of profiling POTs in the M&G. Frankly, I try to avoid SBs that give off too strong a desperation vibe. To me, those women are just trouble waiting to happen. And so far, I haven't been disappointed or run into any crazy flakes. But how can you be sure that insisting on negotiating a lower price right off the bat doesn't negatively impact the SB's impression of you and her attitude toward your meetings? If you have to negotiate for financial reasons, or if winning a negotiation with a 20 year old college student gives you a rise, go for it. You're right, some of them may be desperate and feel like they have to take your offer. But I think it's naive to think that might not impact the service, reliability and loyalty you get in return. Besides, I don't think I pay too much (especially compared to other options in this area) and I have enjoyed my experiences. To each his own.
Stark.
PghGuy2005
11-11-15, 19:29
You cannot buy a car on credit from a used car dealer without a tracker being installed, and it will tell not only where the car is, but it gives and history every 20 minutes of the cars life. On some they install several. Trackers are cheap, $100, and it protects the collateral...Now I have to make sure there is no such thing on my car otherwise I am sitting duck with the missus! So how do I detect the presence of a tracker on my car? Bought it used for cash from a new car dealer.
IluvSmellyFish
11-11-15, 21:33
First off, got to agree with Rubbery, FM, and other contributors. If a guy can drop a $$ $$ $$ $$ a date, more power to him. Besides the laws of economics always apply. The higher the amounts some guys pay, the more pots come into the bowl. When more pots come into the bowl, allowances for guys who aren't willing to pay those amounts goes down.
As for the quality of the time spent together, I've found that the actual allowance doesn't matter so much as the your ability to connect with a pot. I've also found that the better you connect with a pot, the lower the allowance requirements tend to be. Of course the exceptions that I've found to this rule tend to be the UTRs and the pros.
Also, I got to say though, my experience with negotiating backwards is completely different than yours. I've played in different cities and regions, but maybe its a Richmond thing? Every time I start at an allowance, it only goes up from there. I think I remember HWG saying the same thing.
Sure, once a girl gets to the FC and realizes that your not a creep, its easy a piece of cake to get there again, but every time I've even tried to go lower than the original allowance, its ends things quickly. I've found that most women tie their worth to the allowance you provide. If you start decreasing the amount you originally agreed for an allowance, I've found that they equate it to you telling them that you value them less than when you first met them.
Just my experience and two cents though.
Rub. I agree but if you read the threads on this board you see guys constantly begging everyone to negotiate down to a certain range so that all the SBs stay in their price range. Sorry, but I'm not working with your interest in mind. In RVA, the halfway decent BP girls get $ - $. 50 for half an hour. The top end agency girls and independents get $$. 50 - $$ 50 for an hour and won't do a half. So for a couple of hours with a girl who is 20 or younger, hot, smart, clean, GFE and fun to be with (not just bone) it seems to me that $$ - $$$ is a pretty good deal. I wouldn't pay more than that, and I have negotiated with a couple of them, but hard-core negotiating up front just seems like a negative to me. If you want to drive a Mercedes you pay for a Mercedes. Some guys have mentioned starting at a lower price and then moving up but I find that it is much easier to move the sugar down after the first FC encounter. At that point, many of the risks and unknowns have been removed. An SB who knows that you are not a creep, not a freak and just a regular guy that they don't mind spending time with is much more willing to be flexible with their sugar requirements.
IluvSmellyFish
11-11-15, 21:45
First off, I got to say I agree with you. Sugar for sugar is my number one rule. Got to say though, one of my new regulars in my rotation has been telling me stories of guys send email gift cards to her to coax her to the m&g. She has no reason to lie to me since we already have an understanding in place. She thought it was awesome when she ended up cancelling the m&g because of something that came up, and then the guy sent her a pretty big gift card. Presumably to get her to meet up and not cancel again. She told me that she was contemplating whether she should set up another m&g and then cancel last minute to see if he would do it again.
Hey, if you have it like that, then more power to you.
Just one big one. Sugar for sugar. The sugar flows when the panties hit the floor.
Interesting discussion on advances. Agree with Hoya. It depends on chemistry and the SB. I had a visit scheduled with SB 25 and had to cancel. Turned out she was going on vacation and needed the $$. She had told me about vacation previously. I offered the advance and met her at a quick stop for the exchange. Heard from her as soon as she returned and received a stellar performance. But have been burned as well so it goes both ways.
HoyaSvnFgr
11-12-15, 09:20
Guys, are there rules you set for the SB when you are drafting the arrangement before the FC? If yes, what are they? How you bring your message through to them?The Bowl is a confidence game. I make no specific rules on sugar amounts. If anything I'd say there will be sugar based on performance and the amounts will vary. I make sure to let them know they're dealing with a winner and not to fret over a payday. Be good to me and I'll be good to you.
The main thing that makes SB dating entertaining is getting to the psychology of these girls. Once you break that down a lot of these girls can be yours for life. That's when the real rules come in. Fun times!
"Every time I start at an allowance, it only goes up from there. I think I remember HWG saying the same thing. " Smelly.
Currently have a borderline performer and have negotiated a lower allowance. I need to cut the play budget and opted to take a risk that she would bolt. But in the end, I am comfortable but satisfaction is barely adequate, so if I lose her I can probably find a better one. She might look to add more SDs to make up the difference--and might have been doing that anyway. Who ever knows that when seeing someone once / week? M&Gs are a big risk for me, so I tend to take what I can get if there is any attraction.
The bottom line -satisfaction depends on the quality of care one's SB provides. If she makes herself indispensable by blowing your mind every visit, then most of us will go out of our way to make her happy and keep her in the rotation. Sex is sex even with a 10/10 ,but if they get into your mind it is much better.
Cephlapod Love
11-12-15, 12:21
So I'd like to have a FB page set up for the Bowl as I think it adds credibility to those who might look. Now I see FB seems to have restrictions in place that weren't there when I set up a Monger FB page years ago. I went through the sign up process and did the phone verification bit, using the burner phone and GV #. No hitches there. THEN FB wants me to upload Gubmint issued Photo ID to confirm identity? WTF!
Did I F up the process some how? Is there some way around this?
Now I still have the Monger FB page, but only access that through Privacy Browser. That shows a different IP address from the IP address when using FF or Chrome.
Any guidance from one more techno savvy? Thanks!
IluvSmellyFish
11-12-15, 12:37
So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.
I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.
From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.
So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.
I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.
From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.I personally have never encountered this. I also don't do M&G. First meet is always at the FC. Maybe the lobby of the hotel to meet and see if their is a 'connection (LOL), but then after 15 minutes it's up to the room. Sometimes they joke about 420 or drinking. I always tell them to do whatever they want before they see me. But no smoking or drinking in the room.
I haven't had an issue yet. Obviously everyone's experiences will be different.
So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.
I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.
From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.Here are some solutions:
1) M&G at coffee shop -no ETOH option.
2) let her use her Fake I.d. But have separate tabs -just give her the $ to cover the bill. That way she is not your guest and is under her own order.
3) Don't go out -I take them right to the FC from Starbucks.
4) provide ETOH in the FC for her- A slightly drunk new Baby is not all bad. But legal implications are huge-car wreck on the way home and Mom or Cops asking "who gave you the drinks?
5) Have a discussion before the fact and tell her your limits. Providing consensual sex to an 18 yr old is legal, contributing to the delinquency of a minor at 18 is not. If an SB does not respect your legal position then I wouldn't take her out.
HoyaSvnFgr
11-12-15, 14:53
So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.
I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.
From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.The youngest SB I went out with was 20 so not really a big deal. In fact, a few times I took her out and she didn't get carded when ordering drinks. The 18-21 have lower expectations, so are a bit cheaper and less needy. They can get attached or clingy because no matter how little you're spending it's more than her 22 yr old boyfriend. I found the young ones are more inclined to BBBJ or BB FC on first date. I had fun with them, but I felt 23-27 was the right mix for maturity and being fun natured. I stay away from girls that have serious financial needs. SB's that are students and looking for fun money or much more care-free and fun than a 28 SB trying to make rent and struggling to keep her cell phone paid.
HoyaSvnFgr
11-12-15, 15:00
Now I have to make sure there is no such thing on my car otherwise I am sitting duck with the missus! So how do I detect the presence of a tracker on my car? Bought it used for cash from a new car dealer.If your SO wants to track you she could simply place a cell phone in your car and track it that way.
IluvSmellyFish
11-12-15, 15:45
Agree with you 100 %. The young pots sbs tend to be more carefree and a little bit more sexually uninhibited, although I've never met a SB from SA that wouldn't BBBJ. Actually I take that back, I did meet a young latina that would not BJ at all, but aside from her, every baby I've known has BBBJ. The latina did not last more than two FC dates.
For that reason, I like the 18 - 20 year old age range since they tend to be a little more open minded to what can happen in the FC. Of course, like you mention, the lack of maturity for most of these girls here irritating after the fourth or fifth date, and even though they might be hot, the endless variety makes it hard to keep any one of them around for too long.
I think I am just going to have to go with FM's recommendation #5 below and throw it out there at the m&g to make it clear that its not ok to be drinking with me if you're under 21. It's too much to deal with the real life implications and drama of dealing with a drunk 19 year old who gets into a car accident, is throwing up in the toilet next to her parents room after going out with me, or after she gets picked up by the campus police and tells them she got drunk after a night out with me.
Might as well get it out of the way up front. Besides, the rate at which new pots sign up makes dealing with ones that might put me at risk a stupid proposition. Speaking of which, the holidays are coming up. Which means the tide of the bowl will be flowing strong in just a few weeks. New pots will be signing up like crazy.
The youngest SB I went out with was 20 so not really a big deal. In fact, a few times I took her out and she didn't get carded when ordering drinks. The 18-21 have lower expectations, so are a bit cheaper and less needy. They can get attached or clingy because no matter how little you're spending it's more than her 22 yr old boyfriend. I found the young ones are more inclined to BBBJ or BB FC on first date. I had fun with them, but I felt 23-27 was the right mix for maturity and being fun natured. I stay away from girls that have serious financial needs. SB's that are students and looking for fun money or much more care-free and fun than a 28 SB trying to make rent and struggling to keep her cell phone paid.
IluvSmellyFish
11-13-15, 01:09
All good policies.
Wish I could pull off a lobby m&g to the FC, but my game doesn't allow for that. I am not at that level yet.
I personally have never encountered this. I also don't do M&G. First meet is always at the FC. Maybe the lobby of the hotel to meet and see if their is a 'connection (LOL), but then after 15 minutes it's up to the room. Sometimes they joke about 420 or drinking. I always tell them to do whatever they want before they see me. But no smoking or drinking in the room.
I haven't had an issue yet. Obviously everyone's experiences will be different.
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DoubleAgent
11-13-15, 09:52
I'm new to this forum, but been around. Decided I was going to dig into the SB thing and started some conversations with a few SB's. Some looked really good. Found one that was up for a M&G and I sent her my # so we could text. Burner layered with GV. As soon as I received her number I googled it. Nothing. I then went to my number one source for cell lookups and get her name and came back with an address. A bit more searching on the address and I found both her married and former name, as well as a flag for some convictions.
Digging into some public records she's been busted a few times for DWI, says she lives nearby (which maybe true now) but the convictions were in far off counties. Needless to say, she wanted to meet and I now know she's on a suspended, limited use license and a car with a breath lock.
Needless to say, do your homework and be careful out there. Glad I spent a few extra minutes doing some research before the M&G.
I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.
Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.
So I'd like to have a FB page set up for the Bowl as I think it adds credibility to those who might look. Now I see FB seems to have restrictions in place that weren't there when I set up a Monger FB page years ago. I went through the sign up process and did the phone verification bit, using the burner phone and GV #. No hitches there. THEN FB wants me to upload Gubmint issued Photo ID to confirm identity? WTF!
Did I F up the process some how? Is there some way around this?
Now I still have the Monger FB page, but only access that through Privacy Browser. That shows a different IP address from the IP address when using FF or Chrome.
Any guidance from one more techno savvy? Thanks!Don't take this the wrong way because I don't think this is what you are looking for, but putting the idea of Facebook into ANY sort of context, hobby or otherwise, which requires any level of privacy, is a very bad idea.
The whole point to FB is identifying people, tracking them in ways that most folks will not even begin to realize (forget IP addresses and cookies, there's a lot more to it than that but suffice it to say that there are a lot of ways to identify you).
Invasion of privacy is central to Facebook's business model -- it is what they do. Aside from using a fake account to look up SBs and such, I would stay far away from mixing that and the bowl in any way shape or form if you need anonymity/privacy.
On the other hand if you're a single SD that doesn't mind hooking up using your real name don't mind the whole world knowing what you're doing / not doing anything illegal, there's plenty of pussy to be had on FB.
Cephlapod Love
11-13-15, 15:55
Don't take this the wrong way because I don't think this is what you are looking for, but putting the idea of Facebook into ANY sort of context, hobby or otherwise, which requires any level of privacy, is a very bad idea.
The whole point to FB is identifying people, tracking them in ways that most folks will not even begin to realize (forget IP addresses and cookies, there's a lot more to it than that but suffice it to say that there are a lot of ways to identify you).
Invasion of privacy is central to Facebook's business model -- it is what they do. Aside from using a fake account to look up SBs and such, I would stay far away from mixing that and the bowl in any way shape or form if you need anonymity/privacy.
On the other hand if you're a single SD that doesn't mind hooking up using your real name don't mind the whole world knowing what you're doing / not doing anything illegal, there's plenty of pussy to be had on FB.
I hear ya. But the FB account I have now is fake. Fake name, monger email addy, monger phone. I only posted a few obscure pics that no one would be able to ID me from, pics that are used no where else on the web. I don't run around and "like" anything. So my FB account is pretty barren. On purpose.
But the account allows me to search SBs and others (numbers, email addys) which is an essential part of the "tool kit" in my estimation.
But I need to dump everything and start over. Just got an upgraded monger phone and the old number will get trashed and in 6-months GV will reassign it! I got a new GV number to use going forward with my new burner phone. Didn't need any I'd to set up the burner phone and will pay cash for refills.
Seems like there ought to be a way to register the "new" monger FB account?
I hear ya. But the FB account I have now is fake. Fake name, monger email addy, monger phone. I only posted a few obscure pics that no one would be able to ID me from, pics that are used no where else on the web. I don't run around and "like" anything. So my FB account is pretty barren. On purpose.
But the account allows me to search SBs and others (numbers, email addys) which is an essential part of the "tool kit" in my estimation.
But I need to dump everything and start over. Just got an upgraded monger phone and the old number will get trashed and in 6-months GV will reassign it! I got a new GV number to use going forward with my new burner phone. Didn't need any I'd to set up the burner phone and will pay cash for refills.
Seems like there ought to be a way to register the "new" monger FB account?Yeah a fake account to search with is fine, I was referring to the act of creating a groups or any other form of interacting (friending / liking etc). FB has elaborate internal facial recognition technology, so if your face was remotely visible in any of the previously uploaded photos they likely will be able to link you conclusively to the new account if you add new photos. If the pictures were taken with the same device, they will know easily, probably flagged as part of the upload process. If you log in from the same physical device, they will know (even with best efforts like Tor). If those devices have ever been signed into a Google or Apple account, they may potentially know. The very processor in the device used for either taking photos or logging into Facebook can be linked back to you personally (although I'm not sure how easy that would be for them to do). Most of this stuff is not really anything anyone should be concerned about if they aren't engaging in anything too sketchy, but some or all of the things I have covered here (and believe me there is a lot more) can be used to detect duplicate accounts, and it sounds like that's what you're running into, simple duplicate prevention. Tor might help to an extent for anonymizing IP, as would private VPN services but it won't bypass a lot of the identification techniques available these days.
IluvSmellyFish
11-13-15, 21:29
I used to be super nice to pots, regardless of how irritated I was because they stood me up, tried to rinse me, etc. The advice on this forum was to be nice since you never know if that pot might eventually come around.
I've become less nice when a pot is rude, flakes, or tries to rinse me. Nowadays, I am more firm than anything else. I've found that it doesn't matter with the ones that would have never seen me, but that being firm is pretty effective for the submissive types who just need some discipline.
Besides, at the rate new girls are signing up, and with the holidays around the corner, its about to get very busy for all of us.
Just my two cents and what has been effective for me.
I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.
Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.
I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.
Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.Here, I think I can one up you. Just fucking tonight. Now the past couple of days I've been texting with a new POT about 21, and local to me, which is a huge plus. Really difficult to find local. Anyway we hit it off great. She's was really cool, easy to talk to, and seemed to be very accommodating. She wanted to meet soon, so yesterday I set up a meet and she flaked. No text to cancel or anything. Her excuse was she fell asleep on the couch. So this morning she gets back to me and apologizes and wants to meet today or tonight, so I set it up for tonight at 7:30. A caveat to report is that my 31 yo baby came to my house about 1:30 for a FC session. Now she is reliable as hell. I got my workout in and stopped by my go to stripper bar to see a 22 yo girl there who is seriously considering my baby offer. But I digress. I text the new 21 yo POT to confirm our meeting and nothing back. So by 7 pm I reach out to an old 23 yr old baby, who reached out to me after about two months, after I fired her for being flaky. She was sorry and blah blah, so I thought maybe she grew up a little and found out she had it pretty good while she was with me. I actually had something set up for tomorrow, because this new POT I already had plans with. So I reach out to the 23 yo, and she accepts for tonight. I text on when to come pick her up, because she shares a car with her roommate. Nothing. No reply. Just went silent. So I got flaked on twice in one night. Motha Fucker. This shit so pisses me off when these young cunts pull this shit. Now I'm going to head back to the strip club, so that is where my night will end.
IluvSmellyFish
11-13-15, 23:22
I hate flakes.
Here, I think I can one up you. Just fucking tonight. Now the past couple of days I've been texting with a new POT about 21, and local to me, which is a huge plus. Really difficult to find local. Anyway we hit it off great. She's was really cool, easy to talk to, and seemed to be very accommodating. She wanted to meet soon, so yesterday I set up a meet and she flaked. No text to cancel or anything. Her excuse was she fell asleep on the couch. So this morning she gets back to me and apologizes and wants to meet today or tonight, so I set it up for tonight at 7:30. A caveat to report is that my 31 yo baby came to my house about 1:30 for a FC session. Now she is reliable as hell. I got my workout in and stopped by my go to stripper bar to see a 22 yo girl there who is seriously considering my baby offer. But I digress. I text the new 21 yo POT to confirm our meeting and nothing back. So by 7 pm I reach out to an old 23 yr old baby, who reached out to me after about two months, after I fired her for being flaky. She was sorry and blah blah, so I thought maybe she grew up a little and found out she had it pretty good while she was with me. I actually had something set up for tomorrow, because this new POT I already had plans with. So I reach out to the 23 yo, and she accepts for tonight. I text on when to come pick her up, because she shares a car with her roommate. Nothing. No reply. Just went silent. So I got flaked on twice in one night. Motha Fucker. This shit so pisses me off when these young cunts pull this shit. Now I'm going to head back to the strip club, so that is where my night will end.
Cephlapod Love
11-14-15, 09:56
Yeah a fake account to search with is fine, I was referring to the act of creating a groups or any other form of interacting (friending / liking etc). FB has elaborate internal facial recognition technology, so if your face was remotely visible in any of the previously uploaded photos they likely will be able to link you conclusively to the new account if you add new photos. If the pictures were taken with the same device, they will know easily, probably flagged as part of the upload process. If you log in from the same physical device, they will know (even with best efforts like Tor). If those devices have ever been signed into a Google or Apple account, they may potentially know. The very processor in the device used for either taking photos or logging into Facebook can be linked back to you personally (although I'm not sure how easy that would be for them to do). Most of this stuff is not really anything anyone should be concerned about if they aren't engaging in anything too sketchy, but some or all of the things I have covered here (and believe me there is a lot more) can be used to detect duplicate accounts, and it sounds like that's what you're running into, simple duplicate prevention. Tor might help to an extent for anonymizing IP, as would private VPN services but it won't bypass a lot of the identification techniques available these days.First off. Facial recognition. I NEVER put a real picture of me out there in cyberspace when it comes to any form of Mongering. The pictures I do share are dude I gave found thousands of miles away. Never had a girl complain that what showed up was different (worse) that what was sent. I have taken shots of me and shots of some other dude and used one of those merge programs that gives a composite. It looks enough like me, but enough different.
Now when setting up the new account, I had no pictures posted yet! Can't get into it yet!
As far as the "stuff" that is attached to a photo in the background. I always copy part of the image from the original and paste it into a Paint of something and save it as a different file type (for example jpeg vs bmp).
Yeah, I know that nothing on line is ever truly anonymous. But as a buddy told me (he was a cop then a public defender) if the system wants to find you, they will find you! But he said the resources required to do that are so great it outweighs the value on a case that is a misdemeanor.
So from what you appear to be saying. There is no way to set up a fake FB account, since the computer internals will alert FB to a duplicate account?
Member #5144
11-14-15, 11:56
Are there really none of us who haven't lined up multiple SBs and then decided which one to go with and cancelled the others?
Granted, we probably don't do that with less than a couple of hours notice, but I know several, myself included who play the odds.
I was just out of town and lined up 2 or 3 for each night I was in town, and each night one bailed on me and I cancelled one to go with the Best Available Player on the board.
First off. Facial recognition. I NEVER put a real picture of me out there in cyberspace when it comes to any form of Mongering. The pictures I do share are dude I gave found thousands of miles away. Never had a girl complain that what showed up was different (worse) that what was sent. I have taken shots of me and shots of some other dude and used one of those merge programs that gives a composite. It looks enough like me, but enough different.
Now when setting up the new account, I had no pictures posted yet! Can't get into it yet!
As far as the "stuff" that is attached to a photo in the background. I always copy part of the image from the original and paste it into a Paint of something and save it as a different file type (for example jpeg vs bmp).
Yeah, I know that nothing on line is ever truly anonymous. But as a buddy told me (he was a cop then a public defender) if the system wants to find you, they will find you! But he said the resources required to do that are so great it outweighs the value on a case that is a misdemeanor.
So from what you appear to be saying. There is no way to set up a fake FB account, since the computer internals will alert FB to a duplicate account?As long as you do something to obscure face (black out / blur etc) facial recognition usually won't be able to overcome it, it's just that FB is quietly investing a lot more in this than others (and they have the bucks to do it) so no one really knows what cards they have under the table in that area. Most of my comments re: pictures only refer to uploading them to FB, not e-mailing privately or whatever. I just wanted to point it out for you or anyone else reading on, that uploading a photo with visible face under one account, then later uploading a different photo of same person under a different account has probably irreversibly linked those two identities in FB's record keeping, such that if they ever wanted a "real" FB account and upload a photo of themselves, FB now has linked the real identity to the prior fake ones. As they say, once it's uploaded to the Net it's there forever.
The cop / public defender was correct about expenditure of public resources, however in this case companies like FB, who have huge amounts of capital to throw toward the task of tracking people, are taking care of the expenditure part so that the law doesn't have to. A lot of times LEO are able to put cases together based on what is already publicly available on social media. Facebook has become an incredibly handy investigation tool for them, and that's without even subpoenaing FB or asking for cooperation!
An analogy: Imagine if some clever entrepreneur came along, and decided to provide free hotel rooms by the hour to any couple who needed a discrete place to fuck. Every one from cheating couples to mongerers to the sugar scene to young people who can't afford their own place would say "holy shit this is too good to pass up! A free fuck chamber as a public service!"...... Only catch is, the clever entrepreneur retains the right to two things: to display advertisements on the TV in the room, and also save a sample of everyone's DNA who enters one of the rooms, catalog it, and basically own the cataloging of that information as intellectual property, finding ways of monetizing that property as they see fit. All of that DNA collection, funded by advertisements, could then be made available to law enforcement and criminals would start getting busted left and right without even knowing HTF LE got their DNA in the first place. This is in essence what Facebook (and social media in general) is in the business of doing -- not with sex and biological DNA of course but they are in the business of cataloging people. And a lot of people are going happily along without fully understanding the consequences to privacy and individual freedoms.
But, just to clarify I didn't mean to imply an SD has anything to fear (criminally) by being on Facebook -- that part is just as your friend said, misdemeanors are too small and there are bigger fish to fry. But for those who are married or have other reasons to protect their anonymity, it is a big concern.
About your last question -- is there a way to set up a fake FB account? I don't know all the mechanisms they may be employing to detect / prevent duplicates, I just suspect based on what you've said that this is the obstacle you've encountered. I have a fake FB account but I have not created one in a while. I do know that a lot of the services I've used to create burner email addresses in the past now want phone authentication, and they also have something in place that is able to differentiate valid mobile numbers from something like Hushed which lets you buy disposable phone numbers. All just a sign that this shit is getting more and more difficult to do anonymously.
If I were going to try to create a new FB account and their system had already flagged me as a duplicate, I would probably first try to take some steps that are well into the discussion of computer forensics and beyond reach of something that can be practically discussed here or taught in any reasonable amount of time, but if those methods failed me, I would just try from a different computer over an anonymized VPN.
IluvSmellyFish
11-14-15, 13:49
Sure, when there are multiple pots in play, it makes sense to line up multiple options in case one or two flake, or if one isn't as her picture shows.
My approach is to line up three dates within an hour of each other, and then set up a "tentative" date. When I have enough pots to line up a tentative date, I let the third know: "hey, I have one or two commitments on Saturday afternoon, but if I free up, let's try to get together. I'll make sure to text you to give you a heads up if I am able to meet. If something comes up on your end, just let me know. ".
Now if things with pot 1 go well, you can take a short break to see pot 2, and then tell the tentative date that you can't get out of your committments. If things with pot 1 don't work, or if she flakes, then you can read and respond to work emails for a few minutes until the next m&g. If both firm dates flake, then the tentative date could still be an option if she didn't make any plans.
Just my two cents on how I avoid flaking, while also keeping multiple pots in play. To date I have not exceeded the 3 m&g strategy because it would be too complicated for me.
Are there really none of us who haven't lined up multiple SBs and then decided which one to go with and cancelled the others?
Granted, we probably don't do that with less than a couple of hours notice, but I know several, myself included who play the odds.
I was just out of town and lined up 2 or 3 for each night I was in town, and each night one bailed on me and I cancelled one to go with the Best Available Player on the board.
Use the hotels.com app and book when she is in front of you.
Always good to have a back up gal you see occassionally to promote to a regular.Just be careful it doesn't charge to your card right away. Presuming you want to pay cash.
Many of the hotel.com rooms will charge you straight away. Always, make sure that the reservation is pay at the hotel. That way you can pay cash. Or better yet use a gift card.
I've been off SA for about 3 months but been getting messages from pots so was wondering if anyone knows how SA works as far as when they ask you to come back at a discount?
And does your acct have to be totally inactive before they ask you back bec I've been signing on to see who has been contacting me but unable to read the messages so was just wondering if I wait longer if they will give me the discount rate?
Just be careful it doesn't charge to your card right away. Presuming you want to pay cash.
Many of the hotel.com rooms will charge you straight away. Always, make sure that the reservation is pay at the hotel. That way you can pay cash. Or better yet use a gift card.Does anyone know how long it takes for SA to offer the discount rate after you have been expired for a while?
I have not renewed in three months and have received a few messages from pots in the past two weeks so I signed on to see who sent them but can not read them so I don't know if that counts as being inactive?
I am just wondering if I wit longer how long does it take for SA to offer the come back rate?
SugarDaddyX
11-15-15, 18:03
I had two meets set for yesterday.
The first meet was at a Chili's at 1 pm. I had texted with the SB all day before. Then I texted to confirm an hour before the meet. She did not reply. She texted later in the day, wanting to push it back a few hours to 3 pm. Then, when I tried to reconfirm again a half hour before, no reply. She texts around 5 pm, apologizing that her phone died. Yeah, right. She used that excuse twice in a 24 hour period already. I just told her that time is money, and she wasted my whole afternoon. My guess is that she might have been meeting with other SD's. Even though she works a regular job, she seems UTR. I have a low tolerance for bullshit, so this one is cut loose.This one starts texting me 8 days after flaking, asking if I could meet. I told her that since she wasted my time last week, she'd have to meet for free. I did not specify further. She went off and cussed me out. She jumped to her own assumptions. This told me she is UTR and has a long list of John's that she mass texts every time she needs money. As she will get multiple responses every time, she will try to juggle them and maximize her money. This is why she kept pushing my M&G several hours back at a time throughout the day. She was getting the regulars serviced before getting to a new potential john. I am interested in a GFE low / no volume SB, not doing a proverbial "train" with a bunch of guys she meets off SA. Sure enough, I Google her SA handle and only one result comes up: a post about two weeks prior on my local USASG board of a whoremongerer saying he banged her and was willing to share info on her. I'm sure she has dozens of John's after her. No thanks.
I had a meetup set at another chain restaurant at 7 for dinner. This SB is so broke, that her phone got disconnected due to not paying the bill. All communication was through the sugar website. She confirmed that she was going to be there three hours prior. Then about 6:45, she messages that she is having car trouble and asks if we can reschedule tomorrow. I don't even bother to reply. One strike, and you're out.This one kept lighting up my SA account. Apologizing at first, then several days later saying how horrible I was because I don't have patience. I never knew someone who could have a car breakdown, then have the thing fixed the next day by lunch when they have no money. These SB's are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. If she really wanted to meet, she could have asked for a ride or taken a taxi to be paid by me upon arrival.
In other news, I was talking to a 22 year old black girl. Her use of the English language was pretty bad, but her body looked good so I went along with it. Eventually she suggests we Skype. She sends me her Skype name. It turns out she uses the same name for Inatagram. The pictures in Instagram were a lot less appealing, not the fit body she portrayed on SA. She also used the word "nigga" several times in every ebonics-laden post. It looked like there was a gang banger / pimp / boyfriend in the pictures as well. A little web-sleuthing saved me time and from possibly getting robbed.
It's been a while since I have had any significant amount of free time from my SO of over 40 years, and I have to admit that I'm pretty excited to have 5 full nights and 2 full weekend days to play in the bowl to my hearts content starting this Friday. My plans aren't really firmed up yet, but I'm trying to line up a few regulars as well as maybe a few new Pots to interview during that time. My tentative plans are:
- Meet up with my 20 YO regular at least twice and spend some unrushed quality time with her for a change instead of having to worry so much about my normal curfew.
- Finally reel in a sweet 20 something HSB that I've been flirting with off and on for the past year. We have dated several times and most ended in some exciting car action, but has always ended just short of the FC.
- Try to convince this new Nando1 that I recently met to give it up for the first time ever to an older SD. She is worried about feeling like a prostitute for taking cash for an intimate get together and I've been using my best selling skills to convince her otherwise.
- Try out several newly discovered UTR girls in my area that I just haven't had the time to enjoy recently.
I know the 5 days will fly by fast and furious. Wish me luck and I'll give you all some feedback once my vacation has ended.
Alias.
IluvSmellyFish
11-15-15, 22:39
Discount only applies if you signed up and didn't upgrade. After you upgrade once, the discount is never offered again. I resolve this by contantly creating a new account.
I've been off SA for about 3 months but been getting messages from pots so was wondering if anyone knows how SA works as far as when they ask you to come back at a discount?
And does your acct have to be totally inactive before they ask you back bec I've been signing on to see who has been contacting me but unable to read the messages so was just wondering if I wait longer if they will give me the discount rate?
Cephlapod Love
11-16-15, 11:30
Sure enough, I Google her SA handle and only one result comes up: a post about two weeks prior on my local USASG board of a whoremongerer saying he banged her and was willing to share info on her. I'm sure she has dozens of John's after her. No thanks.
I probably would have gone ahead and wasted the few moments to PM the monger and ask for her number to confirm 100% it was the same girl. As well as to get her "other" pricing.
Then I could have sent her a copy of the "review" post as a parting gift.
Got to educate these girls that we are watching and the regular working girls need to stay off the SA type sites. IMHO /.
Cephlapod Love
11-16-15, 11:36
- Try to convince this new Nando1 that I recently met to give it up for the first time ever to an older SD. She is worried about feeling like a prostitute for taking cash for an intimate get together and I've been using my best selling skills to convince her otherwise.How about expensive gifts of things she needs or wants but wouldn't buy for herself or gift cards? Maybe that could lessen the "sting" of an exchange? One LT Sb always talked about "help" as a way to avoid feeling used. (cash was always provided, but never mentioned).
How about expensive gifts of things she needs or wants but wouldn't buy for herself or gift cards? Maybe that could lessen the "sting" of an exchange? One LT Sb always talked about "help" as a way to avoid feeling used. (cash was always provided, but never mentioned).Welcome back to the active Sugaring Alias. This girl does not sound like a Nando 1. They are usually desperate and will take anything they can get. They are beyond caring about feeling used.
What kind of discount are we talking about?
Discount only applies if you signed up and didn't upgrade. After you upgrade once, the discount is never offered again. I resolve this by contantly creating a new account.
Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?
Thanks a lot.
SugarDaddyX
11-17-15, 01:24
Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?
Thanks a lot.Be yourself and honest. Stay relaxed. Don't act like you are desperate or creepy. Don't pay anything until the panties hit the floor. If she expects money just to show up to a M&G, then she is a scammer or looking for a platonic relationship. You don't owe them anything, especially when they show up 30 lbs heavier and years older than their pics. This is her chance to prove that she is the person she portrayed herself to be online. Buy them a drink and / or food and that is it. Only give her allowance money if you go to the FC straight from the M&G.
I probably would have gone ahead and wasted the few moments to PM the monger and ask for her number to confirm 100% it was the same girl. As well as to get her "other" pricing.
Then I could have sent her a copy of the "review" post as a parting gift.
Got to educate these girls that we are watching and the regular working girls need to stay off the SA type sites. IMHO /.I'm a newbie on this board so take my advice with a grain of salt (I'm still learning how to tell the pros from the regular gals outside of recognizing their pictures so any advice is appreciated) but with that said I wouldn't do that. The only thing the pros will do, in my opinion, is learn from their mistake and use a different user name to hide the fact that they're a pro. If they want to join SA to make more money they're going to join regardless of what we say to them. I mean for them being on the site is free advertising.
This scenario is like picking up a tell on your opponent in poker. Don't let them know how you knew when they were bluffing and when they had it. Just keep playing. Anyway just my. 02.
Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?
Thanks a lot.I'm a complete newbie to the SA world too. I would never pay for a M&G. I'd offer to buy them a drink or a coffee- that's it. If they want more I'd just say that's not happening- good luck! The whole point of the meet and greet -just like with regular online dating is to see if there's a connection, if they look like their pics, etc. I'm guessing if you pay for that you might not see them again or if you do they'll want a shopping spree or some other bs. It sounds like babies are a dime a dozen on these sites so forget them- just move on to ones that don't pull that bs otherwise they're going to take you for as much as they can.
That's just my take and I'm new to this so I'd listen to the veterans advice. Good luck!
How about expensive gifts of things she needs or wants but wouldn't buy for herself or gift cards? Maybe that could lessen the "sting" of an exchange? One LT Sb always talked about "help" as a way to avoid feeling used. (cash was always provided, but never mentioned).I agree that expensive gifts versus a cash offering may be helpful with her dilemma, but the reason this SB gave me that she was on the site was because she was being evicted from her house and needs the cash. Guess I could still pay her rent or a few of her bills to save her going through the embarrassment of a pure cash transaction. I already know that her rent amount is way over my SD limits.
But good suggestion! Maybe I can make this work.
Alias.
Welcome back to the active Sugaring Alias. This girl does not sound like a Nando 1. They are usually desperate and will take anything they can get. They are beyond caring about feeling used.She is pretty desperate, but apparently hasn't crossed over in her thinking yet to a pure Nando1. She has most of the other symptoms though.
That reminds me, I miss Hernando and all of his wisdom. I wonder if he still reads this board? Hernando, are you out there somewhere lurking in the dark or possibly still sharing your wisdom of the world under another name?
Alias.
IluvSmellyFish
11-17-15, 07:51
A month is normally $70 when you sign up via pc. If you create a new profile using a new email address and don't upgrade after a few months, I think 3 months is the magic number, the cost drops to $50. Longer subscriptions get a similar discount.
I created 5 new accounts a few months back. Every time I "activate" a new one, I make sure to create another. This way I always have another discounted account waiting.
Not great if you like keeping your existing account, but I've found that having a new account each month works better for me. The money you save isn't much, but I'd rather spend the $20 on a m&g than give it to SA.
What kind of discount are we talking about?
IluvSmellyFish
11-17-15, 08:04
I personally would never pay for the m&g. Its always just the drink and maybe travel costs if she incurred them and if like her. If we hit it off then I might consider buying her lunch or dinner.
The reason why I don't pay for the m&g is because it sets what I beleive to be bad precedent for the relationship moving forward. It also sets a floor for the allowance.
I prefer girls who want to be with me, and who see the sugar as an added bonus. I don't want to be with girls who want the sugar first and foremost, and are willing to spend time with me because they want or need the sugar. I also prefer girls who are in it for the experiences I can offer by taking them out to places they have not been before.
Others are different though. One of my sbs had a guy give her a gift card after she cancelled the m&g. It didn't make her like him more, but rather made her think of him as a sucker. She is not a nando 1 type. If she was, I suspect the money would have been helpful.
Long story short, guess it all depends on your game and what the pot is looking for. My own practice is to never pay for the m&g.
Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?
Thanks a lot.
I concur with the wisdom already offered. Paying an SB for the m&g is a bell that can't be unrung. You have just labeled yourself a patsy, and you will be rinsed for evermore. Likewise I never discuss exact sugar amounts before having met the baby in person. It just starts things on a bad course, and the few times I have done it, it never works out.
That said, if I suspect a POT to be an undercover pro, I will deliberately shoot her a lowball, HWG-level number. This always smokes them out, and then I move on.
Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.
SugarDaddyX
11-17-15, 15:55
Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.I've seen this quite a bit. Some are traveling escorts and strippers. They either forget to change their location, or they have multiple profiles: one for each city in their "circuit". You also have girls who are of to college and want a sugar daddy for school breaks and summers, or vice versa. Others put their location a couple hours or so away from where they really live, so they can keep their neighbors, family, dad from happening upon their profile.
IluvSmellyFish
11-17-15, 16:33
I've encountered it a few times. Also, babies in the past have explained to me why they list cities they don't live in.
Some girls will list larger metro areas in hopes of increasing their chances of landing a whale. If you thought finding a SB in a small town was tough, its even harder for them since the girl to guy ratio is significantly in our favor on the website. One young lady I've been seeing has mentioned that after her friend joined, the friend is basically being messaged by the same exact guys who were contacting her.
Some girls will list cities they want to move to in hopes that a guy will like them enough to help them. I met a young lady from Richmond who was trying to relocate north and listed the city in her profile where she wanted to be in hopes a SD would let her move in with him.
Some girls will create multiple profiles for different cities. I was chatting with one young lady who had profiles for NYC, Philly, and dc. She told me she was looking for one guy, and because she only wanted a platonic relationship, she was having difficulty finding him, which was her excuse.
I have also had babies who have told me stories of guys who would fly them to different places across the US and put them up in hotels. I am pretty sure that some of the stories were real. There are guys that have cash to throw around. To them a few thousand dollars might be a night out on the town.
Sadly I don't have that kind of cash to burn.
Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?
I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.
Thanks all for the kind advice!
IluvSmellyFish
11-17-15, 21:14
I completely hear what you're saying. Give it time though. Remember when you first started using BP? At least for me, the first time I started, I couldn't tell which pics were TGTBT, and which girls were the real deal. I also got taken for quite a few rides.
As you get more used to the bowl, you'll see the warning flags in the profiles and will start to recognize which pots will be the most likely to follow through.
Don't get me wrong though. Even after playing in the bowl for more than a good amount of time, I've still been taken on a few rides, but let me tell you, when you find the right SB, it makes it all worth it.
Also make sure to read this forum thread all the way through. Lots of great tips throughout, which will help you. For example, I think HWG may have previously recommended to start out by going for pots that would be easier for you to land a FC trip with to get your feet wet. Also, if you're trying to make contact with an 18 yr old freshman in college, they are notorious for being flaky.
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?
I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.
Thanks all for the kind advice!
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?
I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.
Thanks all for the kind advice!I would like to echo ILuv's advice. Don't give up. Keep asking questions when you have them, read the previous Forum pages when you have time, and eventually you will have a POT turn into a actual FC adventure and all your efforts and perseverance will be rewarded! Continued best wishes in your quest!
John G Smith
11-17-15, 22:44
Hey guys,
It's been awhile since I've posted here. I've been quietly having adventures, but lacked the free time to participate on forums and other things lately.
I wanted to see if there were still old faces around as well as meet the new blood. Over the next week I'll dig through the reports and try to catch up on what I've missed.
The last several months I've been using SA. The past several years I'd alternate between SDFM and SA. I don't know if SA has been doing a big marketing push, but it seems.
They have had a lot of new SBs joining and they have a high active userbase so I've been using SA off and on for the past year or so. But my SA membership recently expired and I decided to give.
SDFM another try since it's been awhile. I'm shocked at how far down the tubes the site has gone! When I did a local and regional search, there were so few new and active SBs compared to just over a year ago.
Has anyone else noticed this with SDFM in their area? I'm going to cancel my account immediately over there because there's just so little activity.
Anyway, once I get settled I give a little recap of my adventures over the past year. But I just wanted to say, Hi for now.
Thanks a lot for the encouraging words!
I completely hear what you're saying. Give it time though. Remember when you first started using BP? At least for me, the first time I started, I couldn't tell which pics were TGTBT, and which girls were the real deal. I also got taken for quite a few rides.
As you get more used to the bowl, you'll see the warning flags in the profiles and will start to recognize which pots will be the most likely to follow through.
Don't get me wrong though. Even after playing in the bowl for more than a good amount of time, I've still been taken on a few rides, but let me tell you, when you find the right SB, it makes it all worth it.
Also make sure to read this forum thread all the way through. Lots of great tips throughout, which will help you. For example, I think HWG may have previously recommended to start out by going for pots that would be easier for you to land a FC trip with to get your feet wet. Also, if you're trying to make contact with an 18 yr old freshman in college, they are notorious for being flaky.
SugarDaddyX
11-18-15, 05:15
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!Unfortunately, these websites are free for the SB's, so alot of them are on there to play games. Many have no intention of ever following through on an arrangement. They are on there for "entertainment".
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?We don't score left and right. I have been in the game for over four years and still deal with a lot of flakes. Definately over half the SB's I've communicated with have pulled this shit. When you do finally land a great SB, it makes all the BS worthwhile. In the meantime, prepare to hear the same dumb excuses over and over.
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?For me, the younger SB's tend to be the most flaky: 18-22. Mid-twenties and up are a little more mature, but they will flake as well.
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?
I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.
Thanks all for the kind advice!I have had mixed results on SA. The younger ones are more likely to flake and have GPS. I typically schedule a M&G close to my house so I don't have to travel far. Also, I do not mention an allowance ahead of time and definitely don't provide an allowance at the first meet and greet. I have had two that were disappointed that I did not provide an allowance at the M&G. At the other extreme I've had a few that came back to the FC after the M&G and didn't ask for money. It is basically a crap shoot. You have to have a lot of patience, time and money. Mongering is a lot more efficient but can be more dangerous.
Hey guys,
It's been awhile since I've posted here. I've been quietly having adventures, but lacked the free time to participate on forums and other things lately.
I decided to give SDFM another try since it's been awhile. I'm shocked at how far down the tubes the site has gone! When I did a local and regional search, there were so few new and active SBs compared to just over a year ago.
Has anyone else noticed this with SDFM in their area? I'm going to cancel my account immediately over there because there's just so little activity.
Anyway, once I get settled I give a little recap of my adventures over the past year. But I just wanted to say, Hi for now.I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.
BAM.
Work has been keeping me way busy lately, but I dipped my "hand" into the bowl a bit to kill boredom.
I use to take the mercenary approach to the bowl as advocated by HWG. I had some success, but nothing like I had hoped or what I was seeing back on AM before the dox.
I just spent the last few months on a consulting gig outside of a major metro area, and I decided to use my AM approach on SA. The results were incredible. I ended up with two women (one AA 19 a little chunky but crazy horny, and an asian MILF). Here's the crazy thing. Neither of them wanted any sugar after the first M&G. They both said that since I was treating them so respectfully etc etc. That they just wanted to be wined and dined, and of course 69'd. Who am I to argue.
I've taken the approach back to home base this month, and I'm having roughly the same results. There are a few GPS's etc, and some that clearly only after the allowance. But, I've managed to find a couple of ladies since I've been back this month that just want to be wined and dined. One's a MILF, and the other is 18.
The moral of the story is take the approach that best fits your personality. HWG's approach works for him and his situation. It doesn't work so well for me.
I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.
BAM.I found SD4 only had UTR girls. SA is way way much better for babies.
AFF just sucks in the US. In Asia, it's ok now. It use to be amazing in Asia. But Tindr is crushing the web sites.
AM. It's dead. No one is going to risk getting dox'd again.
I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.
BAM.
Yeah I started out with SA and SD 4 me about a year ago. SD4 it seemed to have more pros and such. I ended up dropping that one. Within the past couple of months I tried Establised men, but never committed to it when I saw they were on the credit system. I signed up for sugardaddie.com, sugarsugar.com, and sugardaddy today.com. I get almost no action on sugardaddie.com, The membership for sugarsugar.com must be really small from what I could see, and sugardaddytoday.com had very little action also. So SA seems to be the site with the most action at least for me, and I'm in NE Ohio.
I had a m&g with a 21 yr old local to me this past Monday, after she cancelled two times and I cancelled one time. She only had a cute face picture on her profile. I didn't ask to see more since her profile said she was slim, so I took a chance. I'm glad I did. She was the cutest 5 foot 105 lb spinner. Had a nice dinner hit it off well and ended up in the FC. I would like to add her to my first team lineup, but after the FC and a glass of wine at my house she was getting a little whacky on me. Kind of a screw loose or something. On Tuesday she text me and reminded me about our meeting this Friday, which I can't recall, but knowing my memory I might have committed to it. I might go with it a second time to see if it might work out, but I'm not holding my breath. She seems laden with drama.
I have three new POT lined up the next three days. Tomorrow for lunch I'm meeting a 22 yr old. Another local baby, which I would like to work out after some of the drives I've been doing this year.
The second one is a 19 yr old student I'm meeting for lunch on Friday.
The third one is another 22 yr old student for lunch on Saturday.
Somewhere in between I'm trying to get back to my 23 yr old I've seen a few times and most recently last Friday night.
I had a 20 yr old Asian student return my letter and wants to meet.
It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.
Colonoscopy
11-18-15, 23:34
After a year+ on USASG, I've got 6 posts to my name. My monger game is weak, indeed. Sugar on the other hand.
After reading a few old blogs in the St Petersburg forum, I found out about this place. Bless you, Richmond Sugar enthusiasts! I may actually be able to make senior member status next year. More posts to follow once I catch up on the thread.
-Colonoscopy / Tampa Bay area.
Colonoscopy
11-18-15, 23:52
I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!
I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!
Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?
I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.
I can not tolerate people this flaky.
What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?
Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?
I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.
Thanks all for the kind advice!Plenty of flakes, fakes, and phonies out there. Here's a few tips for sniffing them out before you waste time. (and they complain about guy time wasters on there!) Apologies if I'm rehashing stuff that wiser daddies than me had already posted. I haven't had the time to go back through the 10000 posts on here. (but I will!
1. Profile is full of talk about how much she wants to be spoiled, taken shopping, etc, etc. Without any mention of reciprocity.
2. She expects sugar at the M&G.
3. Profile has some form of "Where are all the REAL sugar daddies" - translation I won't touch you, but I saw on TV that I can get money for hanging out with old guys.
4. Google photo lookup is your friend. Without digits, this is the best way to spot fake profiles. If the pics can be traced to generic ****** / instagram accounts, don't waste your time.
5. Check the digits she gives you in FB search to verify she's who she says she is. Quite a few babies, real and fake will use sugar phones or not have their # attached to FB, so you can't weed out all the fakes this way, but if she tells you her name is Mandy, and the FB profile is Michael, well, I'd stay away.
6. Babies in the 24-30 range tend to be a lot less flakey than the 18-23 year old set. You'll still run into them, but less frequently.
And a few things I've learned when dealing with the real ones:
7. A lot of the "Minimal expectations" on SA are looking for "platonic" friendships (but surprisingly less than the High / Substantial set). You'll also find quite a few of your BP girls / professionals in this range as they're doing a volume business.
8. This one took me quite a few years to learn, but just because her expectation is listed as "Moderate -up to $5000 a month" doesn't mean she won't be happy with an actual Minimal allowance that's in her hands, especially if she's been burned a few times.
9. Deliver what you promise, but don't over-promise before testing the waters. Most babies will work on a week-by-week or meet-by-meet (pay for play) basis to start with if you're treating them well. Allowance is for when you want to lock that shit down (well. Good luck ever really locking it down).
10. Just like in non-sugar dating, good chemistry at the M&G can often lead to instant gratification if you're ready to fork over some sugar. Can't count on it, but it's sweet when it happens. (or you just met a UTR professional).
-Colo.
Colonoscopy
11-19-15, 14:34
It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.I'm experiencing the same thing this week down here in Tampa:
Monday. Second date with a trip to the FC with early-20's low-expectations baby.
Wednesday. FC directly off the M&G with an EXTREMELY sexual late-20's baby. Possibly my new favorite.
Today. Promising conversation with a sugar virgin 19 HCB hopefully with a M&G to follow as soon as we can find the time.
A friend of mine is a big believer in the Autumn / Winter "cuffing season", when those who are normally happy being "single" pair up for the cold months by instinct. What's everyone's take on cuffing season and its affect on sugar babies? Or is it just the pre-holiday season where these ladies are more strapped for cash than usual?
SugarDaddyX
11-19-15, 15:52
-SA is what I use the most. The site is easy to search and works well on mobile.
-SD4 M is decent, depending on your locale. The thing I hate about it is that it is hard to navigate and the design of the whole site is ancient. They put no money into making the site experience any better.
-I was on AF about four years ago and had one great score. Seemed like there was little competition, but at the same time, tons of fake profiles to wade through. Since this site is owned by the same folks as Ashley Madison, I am guessing my hacked personal info is floating out there in cyberspace.
SugarDaddyX
11-19-15, 16:41
Here's one of the sugar sisters: https://instagram.com/haybaesugar/.
One thing about American women is that have no clue about their market value. This SB thinks she is a 10 when really she is about a 5. Notice how she only posts pictures of her face and boobs. For me, this is a red flag that a girl is chunky or average. When they have a bangin' bod, they are going to show it. In one post, she blasts a guy offering $800/ month and claims she can get $4000/ month from the "right daddy". Right.
IluvSmellyFish
11-19-15, 20:13
Great post and great tips. Lots of good info on how to weed out pots based on profile info.
Plenty of flakes, fakes, and phonies out there. Here's a few tips for sniffing them out before you waste time. (and they complain about guy time wasters on there!) Apologies if I'm rehashing stuff that wiser daddies than me had already posted. I haven't had the time to go back through the 10000 posts on here. (but I will!
1. Profile is full of talk about how much she wants to be spoiled, taken shopping, etc, etc. Without any mention of reciprocity.
2. She expects sugar at the M&G.
3. Profile has some form of "Where are all the REAL sugar daddies" - translation I won't touch you, but I saw on TV that I can get money for hanging out with old guys.
4. Google photo lookup is your friend. Without digits, this is the best way to spot fake profiles. If the pics can be traced to generic ****** / instagram accounts, don't waste your time.
5. Check the digits she gives you in FB search to verify she's who she says she is. Quite a few babies, real and fake will use sugar phones or not have their # attached to FB, so you can't weed out all the fakes this way, but if she tells you her name is Mandy, and the FB profile is Michael, well, I'd stay away.
6. Babies in the 24-30 range tend to be a lot less flakey than the 18-23 year old set. You'll still run into them, but less frequently.
And a few things I've learned when dealing with the real ones:
7. A lot of the "Minimal expectations" on SA are looking for "platonic" friendships (but surprisingly less than the High / Substantial set). You'll also find quite a few of your BP girls / professionals in this range as they're doing a volume business.
8. This one took me quite a few years to learn, but just because her expectation is listed as "Moderate -up to $5000 a month" doesn't mean she won't be happy with an actual Minimal allowance that's in her hands, especially if she's been burned a few times.
9. Deliver what you promise, but don't over-promise before testing the waters. Most babies will work on a week-by-week or meet-by-meet (pay for play) basis to start with if you're treating them well. Allowance is for when you want to lock that shit down (well. Good luck ever really locking it down).
10. Just like in non-sugar dating, good chemistry at the M&G can often lead to instant gratification if you're ready to fork over some sugar. Can't count on it, but it's sweet when it happens. (or you just met a UTR professional).
-Colo.
IluvSmellyFish
11-19-15, 20:16
And these girls need shopping money, but more importantly want a daddy to buy them nice gifts.
Get ready for lots of responses to old messages. You're going to need a stick to beat them back.
I had a m&g with a 21 yr old local to me this past Monday, after she cancelled two times and I cancelled one time. She only had a cute face picture on her profile. I didn't ask to see more since her profile said she was slim, so I took a chance. I'm glad I did. She was the cutest 5 foot 105 lb spinner. Had a nice dinner hit it off well and ended up in the FC. I would like to add her to my first team lineup, but after the FC and a glass of wine at my house she was getting a little whacky on me. Kind of a screw loose or something. On Tuesday she text me and reminded me about our meeting this Friday, which I can't recall, but knowing my memory I might have committed to it. I might go with it a second time to see if it might work out, but I'm not holding my breath. She seems laden with drama.
I have three new POT lined up the next three days. Tomorrow for lunch I'm meeting a 22 yr old. Another local baby, which I would like to work out after some of the drives I've been doing this year.
The second one is a 19 yr old student I'm meeting for lunch on Friday.
The third one is another 22 yr old student for lunch on Saturday.
Somewhere in between I'm trying to get back to my 23 yr old I've seen a few times and most recently last Friday night.
I had a 20 yr old Asian student return my letter and wants to meet.
It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.
So what's your approach that seems to be working exactly?
Work has been keeping me way busy lately, but I dipped my "hand" into the bowl a bit to kill boredom.
I use to take the mercenary approach to the bowl as advocated by HWG. I had some success, but nothing like I had hoped or what I was seeing back on AM before the dox.
I just spent the last few months on a consulting gig outside of a major metro area, and I decided to use my AM approach on SA. The results were incredible. I ended up with two women (one AA 19 a little chunky but crazy horny, and an asian MILF). Here's the crazy thing. Neither of them wanted any sugar after the first M&G. They both said that since I was treating them so respectfully etc etc. That they just wanted to be wined and dined, and of course 69'd. Who am I to argue.
I've taken the approach back to home base this month, and I'm having roughly the same results. There are a few GPS's etc, and some that clearly only after the allowance. But, I've managed to find a couple of ladies since I've been back this month that just want to be wined and dined. One's a MILF, and the other is 18.
The moral of the story is take the approach that best fits your personality. HWG's approach works for him and his situation. It doesn't work so well for me.
Gentlemen (and I use the term loosely).
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Been a minute since I posted. Still keeping a base in Vegas. But have moved my main operation off shore. I'm outsourcing my pussy needs. And it's been the best move I've made in my life! Since I've become a International Player details of my adventures go into the International Sex Guide. The principles of penetrating the non-pros transcend boarders. Grab your passport and holla at your man in the DR. Come prepared to go HAM or stay home. I wish all continuing success in the sugerbowl.
After a year+ on USASG, I've got 6 posts to my name. My monger game is weak, indeed. Sugar on the other hand.
After reading a few old blogs in the St Petersburg forum, I found out about this place. Bless you, Richmond Sugar enthusiasts! I may actually be able to make senior member status next year. More posts to follow once I catch up on the thread.
-Colonoscopy / Tampa Bay area.I echo Smelly -nice job on summing up what us long termers have learned the hard way. Newbies should read this and save a lot of heartache.
Re: SDFM DOA in central Va. Mainly UTRs and only 2 regulars in my search demographic. Sadly, we need competition in the industry but SA rules the day.
Post 10819 Sugardaddyx-that girl looks familiar--another rinser dreamer. Some 10+ girls in my area might command a higher allowance than $$ but this girl wont,unless she is selling her "V" card. But I suspect that ship has already sailed. There are a couple -maybe 4 -insanely hot looking model -types that I would pay whatever it took ,at least once , to bang their hot little bodies-if I had so much available funds to not miss it . But sadly, I don't .
Member #5144
11-20-15, 15:59
"They both said that since I was treating them so respectfully etc etc. That they just wanted to be wined and dined, and of course 69'd".
I continue to be amazed at the neaderthals out there on SA. I hear it over and over how guys are disrespectful and treat them like escorts (we would say ******, girls say escort).
Throw them a few compliments, don't ask for naked pics, don't talk about sex acts until at least message 20, and even then do so half-jokingly / obliquely. Treat it like a date that you figure is a sure thing, and it will be.
Last gal I saw in Texas -- tall, thin, stacked Ferrari spokesmodel -- kept mentioning the need to be respectful and to treat her like a lady. All that meant was to not act like a jerk with a hard on in my messages and phone call and in the first 15 minutes after we met.
After the first Jack and coke was down the hatch, I asked if she wanted to get naked and off we went, and I got to treat her like a lady with a cock in her mouth, pussy and ass and we had a blast, all because I was not all about what I would do to her from the outset.
Its not that hard guys -- unless you just don't realize you are a fucking moron.
I continue to be amazed at the neaderthals out there on SA. I hear it over and over how guys are disrespectful
Its not that hard guys -- unless you just don't realize you are a fucking moron.Mr. Sterling,
I presume you are NOT talking about your fellow brothers in pussy that post here.
How much did the "lady" receive for her performance?
And these girls need shopping money, but more importantly want a daddy to buy them nice gifts.
Get ready for lots of responses to old messages. You're going to need a stick to beat them back.I am noticing that.
Gentlemen (and I use the term loosely).
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Been a minute since I posted. Still keeping a base in Vegas. But have moved my main operation off shore. I'm outsourcing my pussy needs. And it's been the best move I've made in my life! Since I've become a International Player details of my adventures go into the International Sex Guide. The principles of penetrating the non-pros transcend boarders. Grab your passport and holla at your man in the DR. Come prepared to go HAM or stay home. I wish all continuing success in the sugerbowl.Keep up the good work.
Member #5144
11-21-15, 09:57
Mr. Sterling,
I presume you are NOT talking about your fellow brothers in pussy that post here.
How much did the "lady" receive for her performance?She received a showcase showdown compilation of cash and prizes totaling $500 for a 12 hour overnight all access affair. Only had to buy her one drink!
She received a showcase showdown compilation of cash and prizes totaling $500 for a 12 hour overnight all access affair. Only had to buy her one drink!Impressive Mr. Sterling. Big ups to you my man!
She received a showcase showdown compilation of cash and prizes totaling $500 for a 12 hour overnight all access affair. Only had to buy her one drink!Haha! Man that showcase showdown reminds me of when I was a kid watching Barker's Beauties- Diane, Janice, and Holly. That would be my kind of showcase showdown along with Vanna thrown in from Wheel of Fortune haha!
Member #5570
11-22-15, 13:25
Gentlemen (and I use the term loosely).
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Been a minute since I posted. Still keeping a base in Vegas. But have moved my main operation off shore. I'm outsourcing my pussy needs. And it's been the best move I've made in my life! Since I've become a International Player details of my adventures go into the International Sex Guide. The principles of penetrating the non-pros transcend boarders. Grab your passport and holla at your man in the DR. Come prepared to go HAM or stay home. I wish all continuing success in the sugerbowl.Damn, I used to frequent the DR forum on ISG. Some pretty damn fine pussies over there. Share some pics if you can bud.
Rock on!
IluvSmellyFish
11-22-15, 13:25
Just trying to figure out if I am being to stingy. Of course if you travel for work and those expenses are reimbursed, then you wouldn't need to. The perks of working for one of the bigger corporations.
I often wonder whether I should quit my current job and go work for one of those big consulting firms that is constantly sending their employees on travel.
She received a showcase showdown compilation of cash and prizes totaling $500 for a 12 hour overnight all access affair. Only had to buy her one drink!
Colonoscopy
11-22-15, 19:16
Just trying to figure out if I am being to stingy.It's included in my personal sugar budget, but separate from any "gift" or "allowance". Of course, the level of meal / room depends greatly on the recent performance of said baby. If the effort ain't there, it's KFC and kool-aid!
Colonoscopy
11-23-15, 11:11
Started conversing with a sweet new pot the other day. She mentioned she had been called a unicorn in her profile, so I had to send a message to make sure she knew what that meant in swinger-speak. She didn't know the specifics, but the context of her being called it were accurate to the definition. She's very bi and into group activities. My current #1 baby is also bi. Unicorn and I had a rapport by message and set up a M&G for tomorrow. We both were clear we have other sugar going on but would be interested in occasional play together. She also mentioned her desire for some group action. Win.
So, during last night's visit to the FC with SB #1, I brought up the unicorn, and to my delight, she's all about it. After tomorrow's M&G, if all looks well, I'll exchange their contact info and let them work out the details. Time to renew that gym membership and get some cardio in. One 24 yo baby is hard enough to keep up with. 2 may kill me, but I'll die with a smile. Now time to sacrifice a chicken on the altar of the gods of no cancellations.
-Colo.
IluvSmellyFish
11-23-15, 21:21
Yeah. I account for meals and hotels in my budget, but don't include it in the allowance calculation. If I did, my "prize" package would regularly clock in around $350-$500, but without including hotel and meal, it ranges between $150 - $350 (depending on region and the baby).
It's included in my personal sugar budget, but separate from any "gift" or "allowance". Of course, the level of meal / room depends greatly on the recent performance of said baby. If the effort ain't there, it's KFC and kool-aid!
So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.
HoyaSvnFgr
11-24-15, 03:03
A friend of mine is a big believer in the Autumn / Winter "cuffing season", when those who are normally happy being "single" pair up for the cold months by instinct. What's everyone's take on cuffing season and its affect on sugar babies? Or is it just the pre-holiday season where these ladies are more strapped for cash than usual?There's definitely something in the air. I canceled my SA account a few months ago after upgrading my SB to SO. Since the weather started getting colder out I've been overwhelmed by girls that I hadn't seen since Spring / Summer reaching out to me via email or text. There's girls that I never made a M&G with due to time conflicts or lack of interest reaching out as well. I even noticed my steady SB / GF has gotten more affectionate around the house now.
It could be money for the holidays or some female psychological urge. Who knows, but the season is keeping these girls on their toes and hopefully on my d1 £k and balls.
Cephlapod Love
11-24-15, 09:37
Woulda sent this via PM but the box is full.
So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.
Just for the cost of gas money she' gunna "treat you real nice?" No extra sugar? And you don't have to pay return travel fees?
I wouldn't call a girl who does this "clever," rather scheming, scamming or rinsing.
But hey, if you send me your Visa card number, expiration date, code on the back & zip code, I'll make sure she gets to your house! Yeah, that's the ticket! Or, we'll call you from Cancun.
Good luck!
So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.I wouldn't even bother with that from my previous experience, it's usually a scam. I've learned from my previous mistakes. I once fronted an SB $20 for gas money to meet up. I talked to her for about two months before my visit to the city. Aparantely she didn't have enough money for gas and I wasn't in the mood for driving to her. So, I just sent it via money gram. I never heard back from her again and it was only $20. I consider myself lucky and now I wouldn't even dream of sending anything. If they are out range in the city that I am visiting, I wouldn't even bother.
Colonoscopy
11-24-15, 12:13
I wouldn't even bother with that from my previous experience, it's usually a scam. I've learned from my previous mistakes. I once fronted an SB $20 for gas money to meet up. I talked to her for about two months before my visit to the city. Aparantely she didn't have enough money for gas and I wasn't in the mood for driving to her. So, I just sent it via money gram. I never heard back from her again and it was only $20. I consider myself lucky and now I wouldn't even dream of sending anything. If they are out range in the city that I am visiting, I wouldn't even bother.I second this. The "travel money" scam is the one of the most common in long distance sugar. Google "mail order bride scams" and read all about its progenitor. Some of these con artists are willing to go to extreme lengths for a payout, however small. Look at the example here. Two months of conversation to clear $20. She could likely have made twenty times that with the same time investment playing things straight and actually meeting with a SD during those hours.
If a baby is that destitute that she can't afford to get to your location, then either travel to her (though you run the risk of finding a catfish at the other end of the road), or better yet, find someone closer or with the means to reach you. A better option is to offer her reimbursement for the trip costs, though quite a few salty daddies have used this as a reverse scam, and veteran babies will be just as wary of that offer as a daddy should be of the travel money request.
Of course, I've read plenty of accounts of well-off daddies flying potentials into their city on their dime, putting them up in a room, just on the chance it pays off. If you've got the means, and the up front layout of capital isn't going to set you back, then by all means, go for it if you think the potential reward outweighs the risk. I believe the finance guys call this "speculation". Just be prepared to take your losses if the investment tanks.
-Colo.
Colonoscopy
11-24-15, 12:29
Started conversing with a sweet new pot the other day. She mentioned she had been called a unicorn in her profile, so I had to send a message to make sure she knew what that meant in swinger-speak. She didn't know the specifics, but the context of her being called it were accurate to the definition. She's very bi and into group activities. My current #1 baby is also bi. Unicorn and I had a rapport by message and set up a M&G for tomorrow. We both were clear we have other sugar going on but would be interested in occasional play together. She also mentioned her desire for some group action. Win.
So, during last night's visit to the FC with SB #1, I brought up the unicorn, and to my delight, she's all about it. After tomorrow's M&G, if all looks well, I'll exchange their contact info and let them work out the details. Time to renew that gym membership and get some cardio in. One 24 yo baby is hard enough to keep up with. 2 may kill me, but I'll die with a smile. Now time to sacrifice a chicken on the altar of the gods of no cancellations.
-Colo.Everything was sounding great. SB #1 liked the idea, we exchanged Kik usernames with the unicorn, and had a meet and greet set for tonight. Then the unicorn started pressing us on specifics on the sugar before meeting us in person, and then, strangely started asking about our possible pot smoking habits, whether we did, if we could get some, and whether I'd be interested in forgoing a cash gift and providing her with some quantity of smoke instead. W-T-F? I live in a state that still hasn't passed medical marijuana laws, much less decriminalized simple possession, and here's this chick I met online asking me to commit a felony before we ever meet? DANGER WILL ROBINSON. DANGER. At best, she's got no common sense, and really poor judgment. At worst, local vice is now doing entrapment stings on SA.
SB #1 and I both agreed it will be much better if we forgo the mythical creature hunt, and instead, she finds us a third party. A tiny part of me thinks she just wants to ensure that whoever it is is less attractive than her, to ensure my post-3 some loyalty. If so, I'm actually okay with that. She's going to be more into it if she isn't worried I'm going to drop her for the strange, and if she picks the girl, then they're going to have a better time together, which should == me having a better time.
-Colo.
Gentlemen,
Some of you may already be aware of this, while others may not. I certainly was not so I'm posting in the interest of enlightenment.
It was time to renew my prescription for my little blue vitamins, which I get from All Day Chemist in India. My SO and I have recently moved into an apartment in the city, and I did not have an off-site mailbox set up yet. I went to my local UPS store that has mailboxes, and inquired about a one-month rental.
I was quoted a price for 3 months, their minimum, but was also told that they now have package receipt service, where for $5 per package, they will accept mail for anyone, and all I have to do is track it and go there when it shows they've received it, pay the 5 bucks, and no one is the wiser.
Clearly one of the brotherhood at UPS thought of that one!
So I loaded up 45 on my green dot card, placed my order with ADC, changed my shipping address to me, in care of the UPS store, and that was that. Thank you my Brother in Brown, whoever you are!
Happy holiday to you all, and keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Scott.
Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.
Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.
Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.
Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.
Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.
This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.
Cephlapod Love
11-25-15, 15:36
Then the unicorn started pressing us on specifics on the sugar before meeting us in person, and then, strangely started asking about our possible pot smoking habits, whether we did, if we could get some, and whether I'd be interested in forgoing a cash gift and providing her with some quantity of smoke instead. W-T-F? I live in a state that still hasn't passed medical marijuana laws, much less decriminalized simple possession, and here's this chick I met online asking me to commit a felony before we ever meet? DANGER WILL ROBINSON. DANGER. At best, she's got no common sense, and really poor judgment. At worst, local vice is now doing entrapment stings on SA.
-Colo.Not worth the risk, bringing drugs into the equation.
PghGuy2005
11-25-15, 20:11
Damn, I used to frequent the DR forum on ISG. Some pretty damn fine pussies over there. Share some pics if you can bud.
Rock on!If it is the Dominican Republic then HWG will be interested as he digs the exotic babes!
Gentlemen,
Some of you may already be aware of this, while others may not. I certainly was not so I'm posting in the interest of enlightenment.
It was time to renew my prescription for my little blue vitamins, which I get from All Day Chemist in India. My SO and I have recently moved into an apartment in the city, and I did not have an off-site mailbox set up yet. I went to my local UPS store that has mailboxes, and inquired about a one-month rental.
I was quoted a price for 3 months, their minimum, but was also told that they now have package receipt service, where for $5 per package, they will accept mail for anyone, and all I have to do is track it and go there when it shows they've received it, pay the 5 bucks, and no one is the wiser.
Clearly one of the brotherhood at UPS thought of that one!
So I loaded up 45 on my green dot card, placed my order with ADC, changed my shipping address to me, in care of the UPS store, and that was that. Thank you my Brother in Brown, whoever you are!
Happy holiday to you all, and keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Scott.Noted. Thanks if I ever have to order something over seas.
Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.
Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.
Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.
Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.
Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.
This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.Now that's what I call having the expenses of sugaring down to a science. Good work bro.
If it is the Dominican Republic then HWG will be interested as he digs the exotic babes!I'll take the Asians everyday and twice on Sunday. I love those lean little girl like bodies.
Member #5144
11-27-15, 11:15
I had to travel for work, so hotel and travel was already a sunk cost. I own my own company, so I want to maximize the value!
I used to be in the consulting racket, but that was long before SA came along. Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.
But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.
Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.
Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.
Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.
Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.
Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.
This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.I find the time and effort just to get to the m&g should be tracked. I'm new to the SBSD4 me sit and have had lots of trouble with pro's and bad attitude girls. After on month going next week to first m&g. If this doesn't work out will rethink the entire program.
The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?
Cephlapod Love
11-27-15, 12:52
Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.
But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.DUDE! CompuServe? Dial Up? Huh? What are they?
Oh wait! Google is your friend. Aren't those from pre-historic days?
Doesn't that make you a Dinosaur?
Oh WAIT! I resemble that remark!
The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?Still seeing plenty of new ones in my area. The two scary trends for me are the increase in the number of not very UTR's and outright pro's on SA; and the fact that they ALL think they are going to get 500 per meeting. I'm just getting busy again after being out of town for a few months. This week I saw a 38 year old MILF who showed up in a little black dress, heels, and as I soon found out, very sexy lingerie. We chatted for a while and then she showed off major league cock-sucking skills. She came across as a bit sex starved and we never discussed allowance and when she left I neglected to slip her anything. I texted her after and told her we should discuss how I could help her, and she came back with 500. Haven't responded to that yet. My second M&G for the week was a 23 year old college student. In the course of texting she asked for 500 also. I responded no thanks, and she immediately dropped to 200. That is higher than I usually go, but I was all about the slim, blonde, blue eyed college girl look so I agreed. She was a lot of fun and I am sure I will have her back, though it certainly wasn't her first rodeo. Overall I am getting lots of responses to my messages.
Still seeing plenty of new ones in my area. The two scary trends for me are the increase in the number of not very UTR's and outright pro's on SA; and the fact that they ALL think they are going to get 500 per meeting. Where does $500 come from? Are they on the IG and ****** sites pumping each other up to GPS levels? Reality hits and they will either adapt or go away. UTR is scary because they are high volume. If you think you have a Low or exclusive and she is banging and blowing 5 guys / day you are licking the toilet bowl. I check out the BP and CL blogs and these girls are servicing a LOT of Dudes.
Member #5144
11-27-15, 14:32
The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?RVA has had few new postings.
Between exams, end of semester panic, holiday travel and family, the younger SBs get more tied up this time of year.
There is a short window between now and end of semester that some might need Christmas gift money, which can be a great source of gratitude.
My Capitol HIll Aide SB was lamenting how broke she was and wanted to give some co-workers / friends and folks back home something for Christmas. Called in a favor with a friend who is a beauty distributor and got a dozen of last years' hot stocking stuffer items (retail for $15-$20) and sent them to her. She about fell over, and let me know when I see her this week I can do whatever I want to her. And I won't give her a penny beyond fronting her gifts. Cost me less than $100.
RVA has had few new postings.
Between exams, end of semester panic, holiday travel and family, the younger SBs get more tied up this time of year.
There is a short window between now and end of semester that some might need Christmas gift money, which can be a great source of gratitude.That makes sense. I bet once the semester ends you'll see a lot more activity- (new profiles, more emails, etc.) from the babies who are on Christmas break. The same thing will probably happen again in late spring once summer break starts.
Colonoscopy
11-28-15, 13:31
I had to travel for work, so hotel and travel was already a sunk cost. I own my own company, so I want to maximize the value!
I used to be in the consulting racket, but that was long before SA came along. Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.
But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.Ah the early days of dial up! Or if she was a real geek, having to UUDECODE an encoded hex file!
Colonoscopy
11-28-15, 13:57
Where does $500 come from? Are they on the IG and ****** sites pumping each other up to GPS levels? Reality hits and they will either adapt or go away. UTR is scary because they are high volume. If you think you have a Low or exclusive and she is banging and blowing 5 guys / day you are licking the toilet bowl. I check out the BP and CL blogs and these girls are servicing a LOT of Dudes.This is one thing I look for when repeating with a lady. Is she still on SA as much as I am after we've got something semi-regular arranged? Just how often? Sometimes, the UTR pros are easy to spot, but I'll admit to having met one on three or four occasions before realizing that even if we weren't on a "clock" she was definitely watching the "dollar value per time spent" thing much more closely than I and always seemed to have another "engagement" shortly after our hook-ups. Exclusivity, I never expect in a SB, but a low volume (bf. Maybe, fbs (1-2), and sd) is ideal. Just like those old public service commercials. You're not just hitting that, you're hitting everything that's hit that. The higher the volume, the more likelihood of a bad choice or two, or just getting unlucky with some preventive device failure.
Plus, I do like to feel appreciated and liked by the ladies I'm seeing. My current regular and #1 baby recently asked for and additional night per week for no additional allowance. That's a good way to show me she's interested, and in turn to keep my interest.
-Colo.
PhxFunLover
11-29-15, 19:56
So I recently dodged the marriage mistake and am now fully single. So naturally I decided to open a new profile on SA and upgrade it. I noticed in my search results some profiles that simply did not appear on my old profile (not upgraded). Anyone else notice this?
LikeMike1963
11-30-15, 09:42
Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.
I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.
THE PLAN:
Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).
Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.
I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.
Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions!
Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.
I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.
THE PLAN:
Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).
Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.
I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.
Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions!Mike,
As I see it, your plan has a potential fatal flaw, in that if they don't give you access on account of your lack of proper ID, you are fucked, and not in the good way. I did this once, believing myself to be a genius, and I ended up having to reserve a second room in my real name.
It was a very expensive fuck, let me assure you. Now my MO is to reserve on line to get the best deal, using my real name, then check in ahead of time so that when I show up with my baby, we go straight to the room.
I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?
Hope everyone had a great holiday!
Scott.
Mike,
As I see it, your plan has a potential fatal flaw, in that if they don't give you access on account of your lack of proper ID, you are fucked, and not in the good way. I did this once, believing myself to be a genius, and I ended up having to reserve a second room in my real name.
It was a very expensive fuck, let me assure you. Now my MO is to reserve on line to get the best deal, using my real name, then check in ahead of time so that when I show up with my baby, we go straight to the room.
I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?
Hope everyone had a great holiday!
Scott.
I have had success checking in and stating I was getting the room for a business collegue from out of town. That I prefer to pay cash, not use my I'd, and filled out the registration under another name. I've done this more than once without being questioned. They do want you to put a cash deposit down for incidentals since I did not want to use my cc. I did that and collected the deposit back the next day. On one occasion I did use my cc and was assured it would not be put through or used if there were no incidentals. This procedure is listed in the index if I remember correctly, and it worked for me on more than one occasion.
At the end of the day they care about the sale.
SugarDaddyX
11-30-15, 23:10
With alot of things, the more you pay, the better a product or service you will get. For example, a $200 guitar is not going to play like a $1500 guitar. The bowl does not work like this. A chart plotting quality versus allowance paid would be very random.
The best SB I've had in the FC did not care how much I gave her, just as long as I put some money in her purse at the end of the night. I was generous, but not overly so. She never complained or counted the money. The worst performers both in the FC and outside the FC seemed to also come with the highest allowances. We are talking about SB's who were dead fish lays.
This brings to mind one of my worst experiences in the bowl: I had a decent meet 'and' greet with a 21, white college student (insert useless major or field of study). Other than her being a little distant and detached, things looked good. We had agreed on an allowance and set up a visit to the FC for the following day. The day of the meet, she kept trying to negotiate via texting a higher allowance from what we agreed upon the day before. I offered $250, but she was pushing for $400. I eventually offered $300 because I was horny and just wanted to get the bang. She kept pushing for $350, so I texted her back that we can just forget the arrangement if she wants to keep complaining about compensation. She then says $300 is fine and backs down. She eventually shows up to my hotel an hour past the specified meet time.
I start undressing her and she is not athletic like she said she was on SA: DD tits, but a little bit of a midsection. She wanted to keep a skirt type of clothing around her midsection like you see in some pornos, but I told her to get completely naked. I ate her out real good until she orgasmed, then got on the bed and told her to suck my dick. She then tells me she can't do BJ's because it gives her lockjaw. At this point I'm like "WTF?" I have never heard the lockjaw line before. I told her, "This isn't going to work. " and start getting dressed. The mood is killed. She watches me put my pants back on, then she backpedals on her bullshit and starts sucking my dick. The effort was poor, but it's better than nothing. Next, I start banging her missionary. She just lays there and moans a little. The same thing in doggie. Because she has no energy, I don't get excited and last way too long. She eventually says, "Are you almost finished? It has been about an hour. " I say, "I'm not done yet. " She replies, "I have class in the morning. " I start pounding her hard and am ready to bust a nut. I was originally planning to cum in the rubber, but because this SB needed to be taught some respect, I pull the condom off, laid my dick on top of her pelvis and spray 10 mL of baby batter all over her. This didn't make her happy, but I am the one paying her, not the other way around.
The clock watching comment would make you think this girl was under the radar, but I knew her real identity / Facebook / Twitter / Instagram and confirmed she was just a college student trying to make rent / bar money. She was so bad in the sack, I thought she might have been a virgin. I think she was just very inexperienced or was trying to get back at me for not giving her what she thought she could get.
Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?
Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?I recently came across a profile on SA that said to message her for her two ground rules. Thought she was pretty good looking so I bit and made contact asking her ground rules. She replied she didn't do anal and didn't give head. No anal isn't a deal breaker but no head just doesn't cut it.
I had an SB give me such a sloppy BJ the forst time, I was worried she was a pro and the second time she said she had her period and wanted to give me a HJ also said she did not like "sucking dick". Well, I never saw her again. I fully respect women's right to not suck their husband's dick but when I am paying an SB she has to be willing to do what I like.
With alot of things, the more you pay, the better a product or service you will get. For example, a $200 guitar is not going to play like a $1500 guitar. The bowl does not work like this. A chart plotting quality versus allowance paid would be very random.
The best SB I've had in the FC did not care how much I gave her, just as long as I put some money in her purse at the end of the night. I was generous, but not overly so. She never complained or counted the money. The worst performers both in the FC and outside the FC seemed to also come with the highest allowances. We are talking about SB's who were dead fish lays.
This brings to mind one of my worst experiences in the bowl: I had a decent meet 'and' greet with a 21, white college student (insert useless major or field of study). Other than her being a little distant and detached, things looked good. We had agreed on an allowance and set up a visit to the FC for the following day. The day of the meet, she kept trying to negotiate via texting a higher allowance from what we agreed upon the day before. I offered $250, but she was pushing for $400. I eventually offered $300 because I was horny and just wanted to get the bang. She kept pushing for $350, so I texted her back that we can just forget the arrangement if she wants to keep complaining about compensation. She then says $300 is fine and backs down. She eventually shows up to my hotel an hour past the specified meet time.
I start undressing her and she is not athletic like she said she was on SA: DD tits, but a little bit of a midsection. She wanted to keep a skirt type of clothing around her midsection like you see in some pornos, but I told her to get completely naked. I ate her out real good until she orgasmed, then got on the bed and told her to suck my dick. She then tells me she can't do BJ's because it gives her lockjaw. At this point I'm like "WTF?" I have never heard the lockjaw line before. I told her, "This isn't going to work. " and start getting dressed. The mood is killed. She watches me put my pants back on, then she backpedals on her bullshit and starts sucking my dick. The effort was poor, but it's better than nothing. Next, I start banging her missionary. She just lays there and moans a little. The same thing in doggie. Because she has no energy, I don't get excited and last way too long. She eventually says, "Are you almost finished? It has been about an hour. " I say, "I'm not done yet. " She replies, "I have class in the morning. " I start pounding her hard and am ready to bust a nut. I was originally planning to cum in the rubber, but because this SB needed to be taught some respect, I pull the condom off, laid my dick on top of her pelvis and spray 10 mL of baby batter all over her. This didn't make her happy, but I am the one paying her, not the other way around.
The clock watching comment would make you think this girl was under the radar, but I knew her real identity / Facebook / Twitter / Instagram and confirmed she was just a college student trying to make rent / bar money. She was so bad in the sack, I thought she might have been a virgin. I think she was just very inexperienced or was trying to get back at me for not giving her what she thought she could get.
Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?
HoyaSvnFgr
12-01-15, 07:15
Brethren,
My SB was talking about baby names the other day. It was casual enough until it dawned on me where this could lead. I admit I can be a "dude" sometimes and just going with the flow. A sweet girl, awesome sex and her calling me "Daddy" can cause confusion and poor judgement. It's definitely not your standard vanilla dating scenario.
The baby talk has me thinking this may be going to another territory.
Any of you guys hit this point with your girls?
HoyaSvnFgr
12-01-15, 07:24
I recently came across a profile on SA that said to message her for her two ground rules. Thought she was pretty good looking so I bit and made contact asking her ground rules. She replied she didn't do anal and didn't give head. No anal isn't a deal breaker but no head just doesn't cut it.Had this situation before and it's NOT true no matter what they say. Always, apply the "Brad Pitt" rule to what a girl would do or wouldn't. If you were Brad Pitt, would she (fill in the blank). I had a SB that wouldn't do a BJ or anal at one point. I never pressed, but I focused on becoming the guy she would do those things for.
In time, she'd start bobbing on my Johnson with no request or hinting on my part. I'd make subtle moves like spreading the cheeks further during doggie for example. Gradually built up to grazing the starfish; after a few sessions inserted the tip only. You get my point. My advice would be to gain your girls confidence, but in the time and be patient. The SB / SD dynamic can open up to all types of kink if you're patient.
Gentlemen,
I'm not sure why I didn't think of this sooner, but there you have it. I am currently seeing a baby who has asked me to find a third to join us on occasions. I think I mentioned her a while back. In any event, I have been working SA pretty hard and have been contacting any baby who's profile indicates they are looking for women as well as men. So far, no luck, although I have tangentially picked up two new babies who are added to the line-up.
It has been a ton of work, however, and there have been far more flakes and no-shows than m&g's. Today, however, inspiration struck, and I created a second, far more direct profile, explicity stating that I am an experienced SD with a baby who is looking for a third. My text is short and to the point, and I have high hopes that it will produce at least a few responses. My thought is that this approach will allow the babies to self-select, and in their contacting me, they have indicated a willingness to engage.
At least that's the theory. As we all know only too well, you can never tell what these little fish are thinking. It will take a day for SA to approve my profile, so I expect to be inundated with replies by this time tomorrow.
Fingers crossed,
Scott.
PghGuy2005
12-01-15, 15:09
I have had success checking in and stating I was getting the room for a business collegue from out of town.It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact hotels.com to change the name of the guest to my real name.
While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.
Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one!
It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact hotels.com to change the name of the guest to my real name.
While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.
Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one!When asked for my DL at check-in, as I hand it over I always tell them that I recently moved, and if they are going to send me any paperwork, to let me give them my "new" address. This does two things. One, it lets me know if they are going to send a paper receipt, (which they never do), and two, it lets me get out ahead of the address thing just in case they are going to send me a thank you coupon or something like that.
If they don't ask for the "new" address, I know I'm in the clear. If they do, I just give them something made up, but this has only happened once, and oddly it was at a pay-by-the-hour motel I went to once early on in my career. The clerk said the cops love to come by and look at the guest register for anyone with outstanding warrants on a daily basis. As he was entering my name, he deliberately put a fake last name down while giving me the wink, but I felt a little uncomfortable nonetheless.
It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact hotels.com to change the name of the guest to my real name.
While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.
Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one!I've only have used this method a few times. It worked each time. Maybe I've been lucky.
LikeMike1963
12-02-15, 07:59
Thanks all for your wisdom. I think the passport thing is likely the best approach. At Least I do not have to give my real address and can pay cash or with a Gift card on arrival which will first be wo my to be SB. ? We will see if it all works and I will update next week. And there is a looong back story.
Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.
I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.
THE PLAN:
Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).
Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.
I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.
Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions!
Cephlapod Love
12-02-15, 08:37
At Least I do not have to give my real address and can pay cash or with a Gift card on arrival which will first be wo my to be SB. ? We will see if it all works .Getting a room BEFORE you meet a new SB presents a risk, since a lot of girls flake. I usually reserve the room, if it can be done without a cost. Then I park her in the bar / lounge while I sign up for the room. When I know she is going to show on date 2, then it makes sense to pre-pay for the room.
IluvSmellyFish
12-02-15, 08:39
It first starts with her moving in, then talk about baby names, before you know it, you'll be putting a ring on her finger (or at least that's what she thinks). It's all a test to see where she stands with you and how far she can take things. If you shut down during the baby talk conversation, it will likely lead to her pouting.
She is starting out slow (kind of like spreading the cheeks a little wider) then the baby name talk will turn into invites home to meet the parents over the holidays (like putting the tip in) and next thing you know, you're having your second wedding.
More power to you brother. As an unmarried, relatively young player in the bowl, its all about how much fun you're having. Hell, who knows, if she's good for daddy, why not see how far you can take it without putting a ring on that finger? Your situation lets you enjoy aspects of the bowl that most others cannot. For that I envy your position, but wouldn't trade spots with you.
As for reaching this point with my babies? No, I make it clear that they are the other woman and that I won't be changing that situation. It prevents having the same kind of emotional relationship you have with your SB/so, but makes it infinitely easier when I decide to drop any one of them from my rotation.
Brethren,
My SB was talking about baby names the other day. It was casual enough until it dawned on me where this could lead. I admit I can be a "dude" sometimes and just going with the flow. A sweet girl, awesome sex and her calling me "Daddy" can cause confusion and poor judgement. It's definitely not your standard vanilla dating scenario.
The baby talk has me thinking this may be going to another territory.
Any of you guys hit this point with your girls?
Brethren,
My SB was talking about baby names the other day. It was casual enough until it dawned on me where this could lead. I admit I can be a "dude" sometimes and just going with the flow. A sweet girl, awesome sex and her calling me "Daddy" can cause confusion and poor judgement. It's definitely not your standard vanilla dating scenario.
The baby talk has me thinking this may be going to another territory.
Any of you guys hit this point with your girls?Hoya I have to agree with Smellyfish here. I'm sure your girl is great, but she is still a female, and females are very calculating. If you sign on the dotted line, then things will change. You will be giving up your power and control of your life to her. I would advise against it. The system is set up against you if you marry then divorce down the line. If you have to anoint your relationship, then I would suggest to get married through the church and not the state. Don't get caught in that web. Don't be in a position where you have to give up a considerable portion of your assets. Just my two cents.
Hoya I have to agree with Smellyfish here. I'm sure your girl is great, but she is still a female, and females are very calculating. If you sign on the dotted line, then things will change. You will be giving up your power and control of your life to her. I would advise against it. The system is set up against you if you marry then divorce down the line. If you have to anoint your relationship, then I would suggest to get married through the church and not the state. Don't get caught in that web. Don't be in a position where you have to give up a considerable portion of your assets. Just my two cents.IF you marry -go up! If you go down you will be stuck with support and asset division. If she has as much or more to lose then you can walk with your ASS-ets intact -or more.
Anybody paying these greedy chicks Moderate or higher? There are a lot of them in my Va market, as well as Platonics.
LikeMike1963
12-03-15, 15:58
We all have different wants / desires from our SB's so I will explain mine. I have not had a steady SB for about 3 years. I in general I prefer a single LT (long term) SB. Yes I have had some short timers too usually because of the weeding process. I have to admit I hate it but I have a very narrow field of what is attractive to me. I hate it because I can see many SBs and say they are attractive and certainly understand why someone would hit it but I just have a narrow niche of interest. I have belonged to the sites and those have always ended up being short term (ST) . Since I am narrow minded with my interest I almost always approach the POT with my intention of a LT situation and discuss monthly allowance usually early (maybe not specific amounts) and if it ends then I just quit the allowance. With that said my preference is LT. So. I have had 3 LT and looking to have my 4th LT SBs. By this I mean 1. 5 yrs plus. 3 of the 4 I met "off the grid" Meaning these were girls who were not on any SB search and for each our situation was their 1st experience. (Incidentally for all the dumb luck my ATF was from SD4 M of all places and we had a genuine connection and would of loved to keep her but we were 25 yrs apart (I was single at this time but still choose the sugar GF route) . She wanted kids. I did not she said it would all workout but I felt like I would be stealing some of her life if that materialized for us. Soo you say yeah. Yeah. She's all into until the money stops. So I tested that. I told her I had a drastic change in income and would not be able to help her out. BTW her monthly allowance was only $600 and we met 6-10 x a mth. So for the next 3 mths she still came to visit at which time I reinstated her allowance. She lived an hour away. This is a chick who was on an academic and athletic scholarship too!. I would slide her some gas money and many nights (they were almost always overnights) I would say we probably just need to stay in because of budget and she would cook for me. Etc). Annnyway. The other 3 were met by other means. One was a school mentoring program another was a bartender and this current one is a bartender.
NOW. I am not saying these are sweet innocent virgin girls but none had ever had an SD before. All of the above I approached with a very soft approach and let them know we would proceed at a pace they are comfortable with. I followed though with that promise and ALL turned out to be good investments. The prior 3 I had helped them each time we met to varying degres. Maybe a gift card for a spa visit. A gas card etc. Usually $50 - $100 each meet. The first 3 I would say I invested 500 – 700 (5-8 meetings) before the "panties" hit the floor. In not ONE of the situations did I EVER say. Hey we need this to move along or the sugar stops. They definitely considered it more of dating. I was never grabby. Never said how hot they were. (not until later when there is dirty bedroom talk) . But I would spend time asking about them. And usually did not even give a physical compliment until meeting 4 or 5 and that was in more of a simple manner not the BS lines they here when out at bars etc. This whole routine elevates them and helps them feel good as a whole about themselves which most young women have a void with. Soooo are you ready for your jaws to drop? Over the course of 7 weeks I have invested about $1200 on my current POT. And we have met for lunches and dinners about 9-10 times (FYI I do have an SO so yes this has been with some caution and risk) . After the 3rd meet she texted how she really wanted to be more affectionate with me and if that was ok. She was so at our next meeting. Move forward several meetings and she asked. When can we get some more time together. Maybe an overnight?. My whole point is it all is what you are wanting but my experience with some prepay has worked very well for me. But it has been with girls I have found in non traditional methods and has provided long fruitful situations. Sooo we have something scheduled at a hotel dinner etc this Friday (SO is out of town) . She kinda knows about the SO but thinks we are getting divorced, and no. She does not know my real name thus figuring out the whole fake name hotel sign in stuff.
Well that's my story if you made it this far. I will be pre booking a room and taking that chance but outlook is good. Wish me luck brotherhood and I will update. Oh. We have talked allowance. I communicated I could help her out about 700 month. She works (23 yrs old) has a younger child.
Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.
I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.
THE PLAN:
Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).
Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.
I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.
Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions!
HoyaSvnFgr
12-03-15, 16:36
IF you marry -go up! If you go down you will be stuck with support and asset division. If she has as much or more to lose then you can walk with your ASS-ets intact -or more.I don't foresee marriage anytime soon. I'm in the recovery stage from my first divorce and slowly working to build my assets back up. The only thing that saved me in my first divorce was not having any children. I played The Bowl hardcore my first year. It may sound crazy to most Bros, but it really burnt me out.
I found working with one SB that met all my criteria would be cheaper in the long run. There's more pros than cons. My SB left her college apartment and moved in. Since she had very little overhead, it works. Being a youthful 40 yr old SD helps. She mostly submitted to my stability and it's been an awesome ride. She's still a woman, so there's some bitchiness to deal with. Obviously living in the same space and sharing my lifestyle I can see her mind calculating a future. Due to the medium we met, I'm unsure if her LTR hints are her being a gamer girl or if she's "really" serious.
It's an interesting dance we're engaged in. NO plans to marry or have a kid, but I can tell you that this ride is certainly entertaining.
Anybody paying these greedy chicks Moderate or higher? There are a lot of them in my Va market, as well as Platonics.That's hit it and quit it material LOL.
IluvSmellyFish
12-04-15, 00:31
Next time she brings up baby names (I am guessing it will happen within the next few months), tell her that you've decided not to have children. The reaction might be eye opening.
Based on my own personal experience, when a girl moves in, she assumes the next step is a ring, and then a baby. This of course is a gross generalization and I have no idea what your specific situation with your SB / so is, so for all I know your girl may have no intention of trying to get you to settle down.
You may not have any plans to get married or have a kid, but that feeling may not be mutual. It may very well be her intention to keep things as interesting as they are right now for as long as possible, so she can keep gaining your confidence and wear you down.
I doubt you'd be living with a SB / so that wasn't a semi decent young lady. That being said, in my humble opinion, most decent young ladies who want to move in with a guy are looking for more than just a simple sugar daddy. If you were with a utr gold digger, than my analysis would be completely different, but I doubt that's the case.
Sounds like you're having fun though which is the most important part. Who knows, maybe she'll even convince you to settle down? Even crazier, who knows, maybe you'll even like it.
The only thing I would personally be concerned about is if you are both on completely different pages. While having a serious sit down conversation about what you're both looking for kills the fun of the game, I've found that it can avoid a huge headache later. She might be assuming that your willingness to engage in names of future babies as a sign that you're ready to settle down with her now that you've been living together for a couple months. When she finds out that you've been just enjoying the ride (literally and figuratively) it might throw her into one of those rages where she takes a bat to your car, cuts up your clothes, and then shows up to your office and makes a huge scene. Might not happen now, might not happen tomorrow, but the longer you hold off on having that serious conversation, the more likely its going to happen.
Having the conversation sucks because the very possibility of marraige and kids (no matter how slim) is often a huge driving force in the emotional attachment a baby will give to you, and along with it, the willingness to submit to you. Sexually, emotionally, mentally, etc.
On the other hand, if its not a possibility, and you don't make it clear up front, then the more the girl is going to feel like you've been stringing her along, and the more likely she is going to go apeshit when you drop the bomb that its not in the realm of possibility.
Just my two cents based on my own experiences. Your situation may be completely different, and its quite possible that I've only dated crazy women in the past. Even more importantly, you may be keeping a slim opening of the possibility that you might one day consider settling down with her. And if that's the case, then there is no good reason to ever have a serious conversation, or at least until you know that the possibility is one that is completely foreclosed.
I don't foresee marriage anytime soon. I'm in the recovery stage from my first divorce and slowly working to build my assets back up. The only thing that saved me in my first divorce was not having any children. I played The Bowl hardcore my first year. It may sound crazy to most Bros, but it really burnt me out.
I found working with one SB that met all my criteria would be cheaper in the long run. There's more pros than cons. My SB left her college apartment and moved in. Since she had very little overhead, it works. Being a youthful 40 yr old SD helps. She mostly submitted to my stability and it's been an awesome ride. She's still a woman, so there's some bitchiness to deal with. Obviously living in the same space and sharing my lifestyle I can see her mind calculating a future. Due to the medium we met, I'm unsure if her LTR hints are her being a gamer girl or if she's "really" serious.
It's an interesting dance we're engaged in. NO plans to marry or have a kid, but I can tell you that this ride is certainly entertaining.
IF you marry -go up! If you go down you will be stuck with support and asset division. If she has as much or more to lose then you can walk with your ASS-ets intact -or more.Yes. True, very true. That would be the only way to come out of it clean and perhaps increasing your own assets.
LikeMike1963
12-04-15, 09:08
Ok. You all should get a good laugh at this. As I have been reading your stint with baby names I thought she was wanting role play "sugar baby" names. Like while you spank here and have her take directions and meet you whims. LOL. Like I said. I am an idiot or a deviant. Hmmmmmm not hard to pick which!
Next time she brings up baby names (I am guessing it will happen within the next few months), tell her that you've decided not to have children. The reaction might be eye opening.
Based on my own personal experience, when a girl moves in, she assumes the next step is a ring, and then a baby. This of course is a gross generalization and I have no idea what your specific situation with your SB / so is, so for all I know your girl may have no intention of trying to get you to settle down.
You may not have any plans to get married or have a kid, but that feeling may not be mutual. It may very well be her intention to keep things as interesting as they are right now for as long as possible, so she can keep gaining your confidence and wear you down.
I doubt you'd be living with a SB / so that wasn't a semi decent young lady. That being said, in my humble opinion, most decent young ladies who want to move in with a guy are looking for more than just a simple sugar daddy. If you were with a utr gold digger, than my analysis would be completely different, but I doubt that's the case.
Sounds like you're having fun though which is the most important part. Who knows, maybe she'll even convince you to settle down? Even crazier, who knows, maybe you'll even like it.
The only thing I would personally be concerned about is if you are both on completely different pages. While having a serious sit down conversation about what you're both looking for kills the fun of the game, I've found that it can avoid a huge headache later. She might be assuming that your willingness to engage in names of future babies as a sign that you're ready to settle down with her now that you've been living together for a couple months. When she finds out that you've been just enjoying the ride (literally and figuratively) it might throw her into one of those rages where she takes a bat to your car, cuts up your clothes, and then shows up to your office and makes a huge scene. Might not happen now, might not happen tomorrow, but the longer you hold off on having that serious conversation, the more likely its going to happen.
Having the conversation sucks because the very possibility of marraige and kids (no matter how slim) is often a huge driving force in the emotional attachment a baby will give to you, and along with it, the willingness to submit to you. Sexually, emotionally, mentally, etc.
On the other hand, if its not a possibility, and you don't make it clear up front, then the more the girl is going to feel like you've been stringing her along, and the more likely she is going to go apeshit when you drop the bomb that its not in the realm of possibility.
Just my two cents based on my own experiences. Your situation may be completely different, and its quite possible that I've only dated crazy women in the past. Even more importantly, you may be keeping a slim opening of the possibility that you might one day consider settling down with her. And if that's the case, then there is no good reason to ever have a serious conversation, or at least until you know that the possibility is one that is completely foreclosed.
RealMan2000
12-04-15, 10:02
Ok. You all should get a good laugh at this. As I have been reading your stint with baby names I thought she was wanting role play "sugar baby" names. Like while you spank here and have her take directions and meet you whims. LOL. Like I said. I am an idiot or a deviant. Hmmmmmm not hard to pick which!That's what I thought.
Hoya-Smelly gave a great discussion of your situation. But I'm of the opinion that it would not serve you well to rock this lovely boat your are on. If you dash her dreams of the future her attitude could possibly change. Let it be and let her dream. You will benefit 1000 times over.
OTOH, if she asks specific and directed questions about your future together, you should tell her the reality. If you string her along at that point she could go nuclear if you were misleading her purposefully.
Prepay trial worked out, but a lesson learned:
I did not have change a while back so I advanced my SB 2 weeks sugar instead of the PTP. She paid off and all is good, but she had conflicts, etc and dragged things out for 10 days. Daddy got horny. I think we need to keep some babies hungry and dependent on the next payday. Sadly, we often think these girls can't wait to get their pussies filled by Daddy, but the reality is they just need the $$. I trust her not to stiff me, but I do not trust her to keep to the schedule if she is momentarily flush. If they are looking for the next week's grocery payment and have to eat they will go out of their way to see us.
HoyaSvnFgr
12-05-15, 13:30
That's what I thought.To clarify, the SB / SO was referring to how I like certain "baby" names. By "baby" I'm referring to the cultural more of naming a human fetus or young infant.
Perhaps us bros really are deviants and assh0 les. Myself included. This has to be the funniest post I've had in here. LOL.
We all have different wants / desires from our SB's so I will explain mine. I have not had a steady SB for about 3 years. I in general I prefer a single LT (long term) SB. Yes I have had some short timers too usually because of the weeding process. I have to admit I hate it but I have a very narrow field of what is attractive to me. I hate it because I can see many SBs and say they are attractive and certainly understand why someone would hit it but I just have a narrow niche of interest. I have belonged to the sites and those have always ended up being short term (ST) . Since I am narrow minded with my interest I almost always approach the POT with my intention of a LT situation and discuss monthly allowance usually early (maybe not specific amounts) and if it ends then I just quit the allowance. With that said my preference is LT. So. I have had 3 LT and looking to have my 4th LT SBs. By this I mean 1. 5 yrs plus. 3 of the 4 I met "off the grid" Meaning these were girls who were not on any SB search and for each our situation was their 1st experience. (Incidentally for all the dumb luck my ATF was from SD4 M of all places and we had a genuine connection and would of loved to keep her but we were 25 yrs apart (I was single at this time but still choose the sugar GF route) . She wanted kids. I did not she said it would all workout but I felt like I would be stealing some of her life if that materialized for us. Soo you say yeah. Yeah. She's all into until the money stops. So I tested that. I told her I had a drastic change in income and would not be able to help her out. BTW her monthly allowance was only $600 and we met 6-10 x a mth. So for the next 3 mths she still came to visit at which time I reinstated her allowance. She lived an hour away. This is a chick who was on an academic and athletic scholarship too!. I would slide her some gas money and many nights (they were almost always overnights) I would say we probably just need to stay in because of budget and she would cook for me. Etc). Annnyway. The other 3 were met by other means. One was a school mentoring program another was a bartender and this current one is a bartender.
NOW. I am not saying these are sweet innocent virgin girls but none had ever had an SD before. All of the above I approached with a very soft approach and let them know we would proceed at a pace they are comfortable with. I followed though with that promise and ALL turned out to be good investments. The prior 3 I had helped them each time we met to varying degres. Maybe a gift card for a spa visit. A gas card etc. Usually $50 - $100 each meet. The first 3 I would say I invested 500 700 (5-8 meetings) before the "panties" hit the floor. In not ONE of the situations did I EVER say. Hey we need this to move along or the sugar stops. They definitely considered it more of dating. I was never grabby. Never said how hot they were. (not until later when there is dirty bedroom talk) . But I would spend time asking about them. And usually did not even give a physical compliment until meeting 4 or 5 and that was in more of a simple manner not the BS lines they here when out at bars etc. This whole routine elevates them and helps them feel good as a whole about themselves which most young women have a void with. Soooo are you ready for your jaws to drop? Over the course of 7 weeks I have invested about $1200 on my current POT. And we have met for lunches and dinners about 9-10 times (FYI I do have an SO so yes this has been with some caution and risk) . After the 3rd meet she texted how she really wanted to be more affectionate with me and if that was ok. She was so at our next meeting. Move forward several meetings and she asked. When can we get some more time together. Maybe an overnight?. My whole point is it all is what you are wanting but my experience with some prepay has worked very well for me. But it has been with girls I have found in non traditional methods and has provided long fruitful situations. Sooo we have something scheduled at a hotel dinner etc this Friday (SO is out of town) . She kinda knows about the SO but thinks we are getting divorced, and no. She does not know my real name thus figuring out the whole fake name hotel sign in stuff.
Well that's my story if you made it this far. I will be pre booking a room and taking that chance but outlook is good. Wish me luck brotherhood and I will update. Oh. We have talked allowance. I communicated I could help her out about 700 month. She works (23 yrs old) has a younger child.LikeMike,
What you really described is the original process of a man, having one or more mistresses. Some of them are full time, some are part time, some long term, some sort term. When we (in Asia) refer to a girl as a Sugar Baby, it usually indicates either a big gap in age (25+ years) or it is obvious to everyone that the girl is in The Arrangement only for the Money. In these cases, it is always. The girl is exclusively for The Man. I really like your approach and have a similar outlook.
As for the hotel, I recommend using www.hotwire.com. They have a very good selection of discounts by almost all top brand hotels.
HoyaSvnFgr
12-05-15, 16:19
Getting a room BEFORE you meet a new SB presents a risk, since a lot of girls flake. I usually reserve the room, if it can be done without a cost. Then I park her in the bar / lounge while I sign up for the room. When I know she is going to show on date 2, then it makes sense to pre-pay for the room.During dinner or coffee when it's 100% certain FC I book using the hotel tonight phone app. Very low rates for quality and premium hotels. It caches your credit card info, so payment is instant. It's normal hotel check-in and photo I'd presented.
Gentlemen,
My "alternate profile / seeking a third for me and my baby" experiment is in full swing, and I can barely keep up! I have two stock messages I'm sending out; one is straightforward and targeted to those little fish who indicate on their profiles that they are looking for women as well as men. The other one is worded towards babies who don't say anything about women, but are hot just the same and I would love to fuck.
It contains some language along the lines of "I'm not sure what I'm looking for is something you'd be interested in or not, but I felt like I had to contact you just in case because I am so drawn to your looks and what you say about your ideal connection. " I am astonshed at how many closet bisexual or bi-curious babies there are out there. I may just abandon my other profile for a while and concentrate on this new one.
Now granted it's only been up for two days, but I must have 20+ active fish on the line at this point, and more keep contacting me every hour or so.
I share this with you not to brag, but to encourage those among you who have a current SB who might entertain a threesome to forge ahead. I admit that no panties have hit the floor just yet, but I am confident they will shortly. After all, I only went live on Friday.
To those of you who can work this angle, tally ho!!
More anon,
Scott.
IluvSmellyFish
12-06-15, 13:21
As for the hotel, I recommend using www.hotwire.com. They have a very good selection of discounts by almost all top brand hotels.I prefer either hotels.com or booking directly with the hotel. Hotels.com is great because of the welcome rewards gives you a free night for every 10 booked. Once you hit silver or gold, the customer service is great. Had to cancel a non refundable room on an occasion or two, but they gave me a credit for the cost of the room.
Booking with the hotel is good if you're willing to roll the dice. I've had one or two short stays that ended up getting refunded to me because I did an early check in, and then checked out before normal check in. The first time it happened, it was because I found a great rate directly with the hotel and then when I checked out after the FC session, the front desk gave me a courtesy refund since I didn't stay the night. It's worked a few times afterwards, but only at that particulate hotel chain.
I have not tried it since Starwood got bought out by Marriott, but if the policies are the same, it might still work, depending on whether you can get the right person behind the front desk.
Scott,
I have done this about a dozen times thus far in the past year. This works extremely well on both those who have men / women listed as well as those who solely list men on their profiles. I have even hooked the wife up with a "toy" and my SB played it off just fine. This is some good stuff, so keep it up. It will work without a doubt!
Cheers: Thresh.
Gentlemen,
My "alternate profile / seeking a third for me and my baby" experiment is in full swing, and I can barely keep up! I have two stock messages I'm sending out; one is straightforward and targeted to those little fish who indicate on their profiles that they are looking for women as well as men. The other one is worded towards babies who don't say anything about women, but are hot just the same and I would love to fuck.
It contains some language along the lines of "I'm not sure what I'm looking for is something you'd be interested in or not, but I felt like I had to contact you just in case because I am so drawn to your looks and what you say about your ideal connection. " I am astonshed at how many closet bisexual or bi-curious babies there are out there. I may just abandon my other profile for a while and concentrate on this new one.
Now granted it's only been up for two days, but I must have 20+ active fish on the line at this point, and more keep contacting me every hour or so.
I share this with you not to brag, but to encourage those among you who have a current SB who might entertain a threesome to forge ahead. I admit that no panties have hit the floor just yet, but I am confident they will shortly. After all, I only went live on Friday.
To those of you who can work this angle, tally ho!!
More anon,
Scott.
Wow. Sounds amazing.
Scott,
I have done this about a dozen times thus far in the past year. This works extremely well on both those who have men / women listed as well as those who solely list men on their profiles. I have even hooked the wife up with a "toy" and my SB played it off just fine. This is some good stuff, so keep it up. It will work without a doubt!
Cheers: Thresh.
Mike,
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I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?
Hope everyone had a great holiday!
Scott.It's interesting the discussion of hotels is ongoing, as I just had a situation the other day that I wanted to post about.
I always reserve a room with my business credit card, and then pay cash at check-out. This gets around the gift card amounts, etc etc, and leaves no long term trail on the card (It does show a pending transaction for a few days as a hold by the hotel, but it disappears). When I check-in, I always tell them I'm going to pay cash at check-out as I've had an overly aggressive hotel charge me before I could check-out. When I went to check-out, I was told the hotel does not accept cash. This was a hotel that a few weeks ago I paid cash. The clerk wasn't budging. So, I asked to change the card as I had a gift card with me. Nope. She could change the card for an hour because the system was being audited. I had to catch a flight. I couldn't wait. I couldn't believe they wouldn't take cash. First time I've ever had a hotel refuse cash.
Moral of the story. Always ask if they accept payment in cash if that's what you're going to do.
As for the brother looking for advice on names at the hotel, I've always used my middle name and true last name (it's common) along with a fake address.
So what's your approach that seems to be working exactly?I haven't been checking the board much lately. I just saw this.
My approach is essentially like Archer mentioned here a bit earlier. I treat them with respect, and I don't bring up sex until we've established a pretty solid base. I also don't always go for the FC on the first meeting. I treat it more like dating than trying to add another notch in my belt. I usually take them to a nice restaurant and get a decent bottle of wine. That puts dinner in the $100+ range usually. I'm not getting it free. The money has just changed accounting codes!
I did have one indicated she didn't want sugar, but then started asking me for small things. I've kept her in the rotation, but if her demands escalate I'll have to drop her.
I am in Phila PA area and was wondering if there are any SB forums in PA / NJ / Dealawre?
In an earlier post I mentioned about using an approach that worked for me, and I found it in the index. I was able to use another name with success a couple of times. I went and looked where I found it and pasted it here.
USA SB Highlights Part 9 - Security
BigTigger post #2648: changing hotel reservation names.
Sorry copying the link doesn't seem to work.
LikeMike1963
12-11-15, 11:11
I recently booked a hotel room. Nicer location in the area. I booked direct through the hotel site with my alias. Which is sorta close but enough different. They texted the reservation to my burn phone. I booked with a gift card. When I showed up asked they asked for my I'd I told them I lost my wallet but provided the visa and my phone with the reservation code they sent me. The counter person said let me make a call. Called her manager I guess and came back and said you are taken care of Mr. "Sugar Daddy". It was a roll of the dice but worked.
In an earlier post I mentioned about using an approach that worked for me, and I found it in the index. I was able to use another name with success a couple of times. I went and looked where I found it and pasted it here.
USA SB Highlights Part 9 - Security
BigTigger post #2648: changing hotel reservation names.
Sorry copying the link doesn't seem to work.
I recently booked a hotel room. Nicer location in the area. I booked direct through the hotel site with my alias. Which is sorta close but enough different. They texted the reservation to my burn phone. I booked with a gift card. When I showed up asked they asked for my I'd I told them I lost my wallet but provided the visa and my phone with the reservation code they sent me. The counter person said let me make a call. Called her manager I guess and came back and said you are taken care of Mr. "Sugar Daddy". It was a roll of the dice but worked.Now that's funny "taken care of Mr. Sugar Daddy". Now that would floor me if that was said to me.
Now that's funny "taken care of Mr. Sugar Daddy". Now that would floor me if that was said to me.I presume he was joking? That WOULD be funny. I was at the state fair with a SB once and one of the vendors said to me with a smirk "you have a lovely daughter". I just smiled-it was very obvious she was not my daughter.
Question for you guys that like to pay cash at check out. Do you just check out after a couple hours in the room or do you typically stay overnight anyway or go back in the morning to check out?
I presume he was joking? That WOULD be funny. I was at the state fair with a SB once and one of the vendors said to me with a smirk "you have a lovely daughter". I just smiled-it was very obvious she was not my daughter.I like it when I take my SB out to eat and they ask for her I'd when she orders a glass of wine. Turned 21 in July.
I like it when I take my SB out to eat and they ask for her I'd when she orders a glass of wine. Turned 21 in July.Yes same here. Puts a smile on my face. And the obvious look of either a male or female server. The male has a half smile or positive smirk, while the female's smirk is of jealousy, envy, or sadness that she doesn't have a daddy. And she's probably thinking "I've got to get me one of those".
Question for you guys that like to pay cash at check out. Do you just check out after a couple hours in the room or do you typically stay overnight anyway or go back in the morning to check out?All of the above. If I pay cash after a few hours, I tell them I have a super early flight and don't want the extra time to sleep.
It seems that no one has much to contribute these days -including me. It is pretty sad when hotel bookings occupy the past 8 days of posts. All of this material has been covered ad nauseum in the archived material.
The concept of sugaring is stable and there are only so many ways to skin this cat--or peel the pussy. Now newbies are just listing conquests and expressing awe at the process, as we old timers did when we first started out discovering the world of sugar. There is nothing better than peeling a 20 yr old beauty out of her panties for the first time, watching perfect 34 be boobs spring out of a tight fitting bra when the latch lets go, and feeling Mr Johnson slide into an impossibly juicy and tight pussy--to the squeals and moans of delight as she discovers the joys as well.
Newbies just need to go to the section on Sugarbaby thread highlights to learn all the collective wisdom needed to ply this hobby.
Member #5144
12-14-15, 14:19
I've notice a lack of responsiveness on SA lately.
Used to be I could not sign on without have 4 new messages and several profile views.
Lately, when I have been doing my homework for an upcoming business trip, I don't see the profile views I used to get when I was checking out POTs.
I think they are distracted with the holidays, and not enough of them are coming up short on Christmas shopping funds.
College girls are in exams.
StayCation
12-14-15, 19:19
I meet up with one sugar baby last week, I think it was Wednesday, picked her up took her to a restaurant bar and had a few drinks, She didn't want anything to eat.
We chatted and got along, and said we should go to the ABC store and get a bottle go back to my place and drink there. It didn't take long after getting home to get her in my bed.
After we got dressed, we talked and drank, (or she drank some more) and we talked for a while then she dragged me back to the bedroom for round two.
Then the drama started her crying about her life going down the drain, etcetera.
Not the best looking girl on the sight but at half my age what's to complain about.
She texted, wanting to meet up again last night, but I was tired from staying up last Saturday night.
Its the first time the web sight has worked for me!
IluvSmellyFish
12-14-15, 22:04
More players in the game, and a lot of younger guys. Girls I've been meeting have commented on the number of young guys who are in the game shelling out $500 per date.
Also, its a slightly better economy that's not great, and the wages are still crap, but there are enough jobs that lots of these young girls are actually getting a paycheck.
Less supply, more demand, fewer options to go around. Also my target market is in finals or getting ready to go home for the holidays.
Guess my SO is going to see more action until the winter break ends.
I've notice a lack of responsiveness on SA lately.
Used to be I could not sign on without have 4 new messages and several profile views.
Lately, when I have been doing my homework for an upcoming business trip, I don't see the profile views I used to get when I was checking out POTs.
I think they are distracted with the holidays, and not enough of them are coming up short on Christmas shopping funds.
College girls are in exams.
More players in the game, and a lot of younger guys. Girls I've been meeting have commented on the number of young guys who are in the game shelling out $500 per date.
Also, its a slightly better economy that's not great, and the wages are still crap, but there are enough jobs that lots of these young girls are actually getting a paycheck.
Less supply, more demand, fewer options too go around. Also my target market is in finals or getting ready to go home for the holidays.
Guess my SO is going to see more action until the winter break ends.I've noticed a slow down too from the region I live in. My target market also are in final exams. But the rest of what you speak of is kind of a downer. Young guys coming in driving up the market price. I'm going to have to ask to see if that is what is going on in my region.
IluvSmellyFish
12-15-15, 07:38
In the mid Atlantic, there are plenty of six figure jobs for young guys. Large law firms, investment bankers, IT, consulting jobs, etc.
My take is that the younger guys aren't interested in building up real wealth. When you're not worried about saving up enough to put a down payment on a house or investing heavily, and you're renting an apartment and leasing a range rover or Benz, its pretty easy to drop $500 on a date to hit a hot 20 year old.
Generational thought differences I guess.
I've noticed a slow down too from the region I live in. My target market also are in final exams. But the rest of what you speak of is kind of a downer. Young guys coming in driving up the market price. I'm going to have to ask to see if that is what is going on in my region.
More players in the game, and a lot of younger guys. Girls I've been meeting have commented on the number of young guys who are in the game shelling out $500 per date.
Also, its a slightly better economy that's not great, and the wages are still crap, but there are enough jobs that lots of these young girls are actually getting a paycheck.
Less supply, more demand, fewer options to go around. Also my target market is in finals or getting ready to go home for the holidays.
Guess my SO is going to see more action until the winter break ends.My SB's last exam is today. Can't wait.
I meet up with one sugar baby last week, I think it was Wednesday, picked her up took her to a restaurant bar and had a few drinks, She didn't want anything to eat.
We chatted and got along, and said we should go to the ABC store and get a bottle go back to my place and drink there. It didn't take long after getting home to get her in my bed.
After we got dressed, we talked and drank, (or she drank some more) and we talked for a while then she dragged me back to the bedroom for round two.
Then the drama started her crying about her life going down the drain, etcetera.
Not the best looking girl on the sight but at half my age what's to complain about.
She texted, wanting to meet up again last night, but I was tired from staying up last Saturday night.
Its the first time the web sight has worked for me!Congrats on your 1st Sugar score. What was the damage? (besides $100 of alcohol) My experience -mentioned recently, is to avoid inebriation on either side of the aisle. Drunk women can get maudlin and less stable, as you perhaps found out. A little buzz goes a long way towards relaxation though. Perhaps you can skip the drinkathon and set it up to meet in the FC if Mr Johnson is up to the task. Cocktails and dining take more time and energy than it's worth sometimes. But a roll in the hay is always worth it.
Are there young Bucks out there dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old? I doubt there is a pattern of young men-but maybe old wealthy guys. Frankly, if I were shit face loaded I would spend what it took to bed a 10 . Young guys might drop a dime on an isolated basis, but not a recurring arrangement. I'll give you a real life example. I have a friend / vendor who calls on me, and has become a confidant. He is an hound dawg in his mid 20's-you know the type -like we used to be. He has no problem getting free pussy, but on a recent trip for work spent $2000 in a weekend getting laid several times. He can't afford $2000/ month regularly, but can splurge from time to time.
Colonoscopy
12-15-15, 16:11
Are there young Bucks out there dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old? I doubt there is a pattern of young men-but maybe old wealthy guys. Frankly, if I were shit face loaded I would spend what it took to bed a 10 . Young guys might drop a dime on an isolated basis, but not a recurring arrangement. I'll give you a real life example. I have a friend / vendor who calls on me, and has become a confidant. He is an hound dawg in his mid 20's-you know the type -like we used to be. He has no problem getting free pussy, but on a recent trip for work spent $2000 in a weekend getting laid several times. He can't afford $2000/ month regularly, but can splurge from time to time.I'm in my early 40's so don't know if I qualify as "young Buck" (maybe to some of you fogies), but nope, not dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old whether she's a 10 or not. More interested in stretching that dollar and getting a hungry-for-it, mid-20's 8 for $100 or less per pop.
-Colo.
It seems that no one has much to contribute these days -including me. It is pretty sad when hotel bookings occupy the past 8 days of posts. All of this material has been covered ad nauseum in the archived material.
The concept of sugaring is stable and there are only so many ways to skin this cat--or peel the pussy. Now newbies are just listing conquests and expressing awe at the process, as we old timers did when we first started out discovering the world of sugar. There is nothing better than peeling a 20 yr old beauty out of her panties for the first time, watching perfect 34 be boobs spring out of a tight fitting bra when the latch lets go, and feeling Mr Johnson slide into an impossibly juicy and tight pussy--to the squeals and moans of delight as she discovers the joys as well.
Newbies just need to go to the section on Sugarbaby thread highlights to learn all the collective wisdom needed to ply this hobby.I agree completely. This is one reason I haven't even been reading this forum much if at all (despite having re-entered the bowl recently), much less posting to this thread. The important stuff has all been said, the rest of it is just blog-anecdote of the day. The posts that are listed in the index thread are the most efficient route. Not that there is anything wrong with thinking out loud, sometimes it's fun to compare notes, but all of that comes with a cost (the largest cost I see being that too much public information is bad for the hobby, it only serves to attract more SDs to balance out the ratios, or attracts the wrong variety of girls).
Then of course there was the whole shakeup with "you know who" -- he who bit off more than he could chew then packed his toys up and went home when it didn't turn out to his liking. All of that ugliness never needed to happen, but when it did I realized something: I was contributing way more than I was receiving from this thread. By that I mean among some of my of posts, I indirectly revealed some of my pussy-getting trade secrets (ones that work whether you're paying for it or not). I had always told myself that I was never going to share some of the secrets to my success (first of all because I figured unless I could make a lot of money doing it there's no point since it would only create competition, plus I learned things the hard way so why should I just give away the knowledge)? But, among some of my "long-winded reminiscent" posts I did exactly that. When the whole drama shakeup occurred, between e-mail and PMs I heard from about two dozen people who seemed to genuinely appreciate what I had contributed to this thread. I think I counted exactly four outliers who had a problem with me and thought I "ran off" their hero, when in fact he is the one who initiated the whole thing and slinked away after the damage was done. Someone who by his own admission had no game his entire life -- the polar opposite of my story -- and whose success was 100% dependent on paying money for sex turns out to have acquired the "1" part of a 1:6 support ratio. LOL.
At the end of it all, I decided if there was even one person out there that was bothered by my posts, then frankly I didn't want to hear their bitching. The stuff I've written here is still around for anyone who wants to read it, I can't really see any value in adding more at this point. The other stuff is water under the bridge.
I think that the type of girls I go after is different than what many participants in this thread want, anyway, so perhaps I was writing for the wrong audience from day one.
So, while some SB fun is definitely on the menu for me, I doubt I will be returning to even read responses to this post or post in the future. I'm glad to have met most of you guys, but if I remained I would only be repeating what's already been said and archived in the Index / FAQ thread by a very diligent and organized contributor who did all of that. I do still occasionally check back into the forum for strip club information in various cities, so maybe we'll meet again.
I will say I'm finding in the areas I play in, the websites are on fire -- I'm even getting hits on regular dating websites I haven't logged into in over a year but forgot to delete my pics from girls who want me to teach them what an SB is. Jury still out on whether I will reactivate those accounts. I'm not sure what others are seeing with regard to slowing patterns except to say that it could be related to timing of college breaks and / or the fact that unemployment rate is down.
That's all.
Happy Sugaring, Gentlemen.
-JL.
StayCation
12-15-15, 18:07
Congrats on your 1st Sugar score. What was the damage? (besides $100 of alcohol) My experience -mentioned recently, is to avoid inebriation on either side of the aisle. Drunk women can get maudlin and less stable, as you perhaps found out. A little buzz goes a long way towards relaxation though. Perhaps you can skip the drinkathon and set it up to meet in the FC if Mr Johnson is up to the task. Cocktails and dining take more time and energy than it's worth sometimes. But a roll in the hay is always worth it.We never discussed any $$ I gave her. 8 and she started to leave that in the car as I dropped her off, again alcohol may have been a factor. I tried to look up FC but couldn't find the definition. Thanks.
John HandCock
12-15-15, 18:20
Yep this forum has been pretty well done for awhile. There is only so much James Bonding and CIA super sleuthing that can be done to the SB world before its rehashed and beat to death.
Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.
Geez he can't let it go. One last dig. LOL.
That's all I'll say.
IluvSmellyFish
12-15-15, 20:51
I cracked up reading your post. The song from frozen started playing in my head. Let it go, let it go.
Geez he can't let it go. One last dig. LOL.
That's all I'll say.
Member #5144
12-15-15, 23:03
Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.Sharing SB info too freely will drive some out when they realize we are comparing notes -- they will feel like ******.
Chatting with an RVA gal who has an SB mentor -- one girl might not realize a bunch of guys are conspiring to bang her like a drum for the lowest possible price, but two are sure to figure it out and get super careful.
John HandCock
12-16-15, 08:49
Sharing SB info too freely will drive some out when they realize we are comparing notes -- they will feel like ******.
Chatting with an RVA gal who has an SB mentor -- one girl might not realize a bunch of guys are conspiring to bang her like a drum for the lowest possible price, but two are sure to figure it out and get super careful.I'm not saying a TER review, just a basic info such as what is she asking for her arrangement, is she expecting a fee for m / g, does she show up or cancel, is she pro or utr, a flake or gps. Useful info.
As far as scaring them off I think the mongers scare more off than the posting of useful info. Also for everyone that is scared off there is plenty of new profiles posted daily to replace them.
EuroInCincy
12-16-15, 14:58
Yep this forum has been pretty well done for awhile. There is only so much James Bonding and CIA super sleuthing that can be done to the SB world before its rehashed and beat to death.
Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.Yes here in Cincy we share info. And we post links and we even meet every few weeks for coffee to compare notes.
It has not made any good Sb's run away and it really made our life easier.
Member #6951
12-16-15, 17:20
Traveling to Boston next week. Have two POTs lined up, one in the afternoon and one in the evening. Things look really great for both but want some feedback on a couple of things:
POT 1 (afternoon): mid 20's student, curvy white / latina with youthful features (she looks 21). Seems to have some minor body issues and doesn't appreciate how amazing her body is, so I am more than happy to help build that confidence. . Also likes a dominant but caring guy and that is me. We've had some great conversations, lots of pic exchanges, etc. Lined up to meet at my hotel, I offered to meet for a drink and she said, "why not just meet at your room?" So that's great. Nothing UTR about this girl in her profile or in our conversations. You can see the meager college / grad student furnishings in the background. No discussion of arrangement, actually. We've generally talked about meeting up as an opportunity to relieve some holiday / finals stress. So question 1 is whether there is a sugar expectation.
But question 2 is the more interesting one. As we were talking today she asked about using condoms, noting that she was clean per a test last month but not on Birth control. I said "of course" but as we continued to chat she made it clear that she likes being teased by a bare cock. Not full bareback fucking, but just wants me to tease and maybe put in "just the tip". Dare I play with fire (say in the second round when I am not worried about an accidental discharge)? Or just play it safe? My gut says play it safe for 79,000 different reasons. And maybe just enjoy withholding from her something that she would really like, which would turn me on as well. Certainly for the first meeting. Given how much it turned her on I was wondering whether there is some sort of specific fetish about being teased in this way that I didn't know about. I know the risk of getting her pregnant would be pretty damn small, particularly on round 2 when I can control, but that is a really stupid risk to take, right?
POT2 (evening girl): late 20's white girl, college grad and career oriented. Curvier than the first girl but still within my wheelhouse. Down for meeting at hotel bar for drink and going up to room if there's a connection. (Hope I can get the hotel staff to change the sheets and towels during my intermission! Definitely getting a dd / lg vibe from her (which I like). She's a first timer, but talked about she fantasizes about a man taking care of her every need and making her happy. The most recent conversation was mostly sexual. At some point it seemed to turn a little bit toward the sugar discussion, but when she asked "what do I get if I'm a good girl" I responded "what would you like" and she said she wants me to choose. The whole thing is vague enough that I really don't know whether we were still talking about sex stuff or something else. I shifted to focusing on fulfilling physical and affection needs and everything continued on. So, again, any obligation or expectation of sugar on my part?
I should note that in my time doing this I have had quite a few sugar-free encounters (at least 50%) and apparently my game is pretty strong particularly when I tap into our mutual kink. It never seemed to deny me a repeat visit or three. I'm a little reluctant to just leave each girl with a base $--don't want to insult them and would also rather give them nothing and make it up to them the next time. And cash is frankly tight on the home front. But it is Christmas.
Grinch or St. Nick?
I ASS-ume that you found these girls on a Sugar site? So they are there for mutual benefit. I would count on leaving some cash -of your $ choosing if they do not discuss it ahead of time. Be Santa. Some are expecting a big # and might get pissy if you are not over the top.
Bareback: I personally, would fill her pussy up with my seed. I LOVE BB and her teasing comments are music to my ears. Does she know who you are? If you think your secret agent skills are good enough don't worry about birth control. It is her problem. If she can locate you, fuck her bare then pull out and spray her somewhere safe. It is not likely that she wants to get pregnant with a random stranger anyway and won't inseminate herself. Some of these girls are stupid / naive. My SB is not yet on BC and when I cum on her tummy, she takes the washcloth and rubs her abs 1st, then down over her crotch. I had to teach her to wipe bottom up -DUH! STDs are the price of admission. The easy to get ones are easy to treat.
STD test: Do the sniff while eating her pussy. If she is stinky cover up. If she smells like a sweet pussy should go for it.
HoyaSvnFgr
12-17-15, 08:24
In the mid Atlantic, there are plenty of six figure jobs for young guys. Large law firms, investment bankers, IT, consulting jobs, etc.
My take is that the younger guys aren't interested in building up real wealth. When you're not worried about saving up enough to put a down payment on a house or investing heavily, and you're renting an apartment and leasing a range rover or Benz, its pretty easy to drop $500 on a date to hit a hot 20 year old.
Generational thought differences I guess.I can agree to this somewhat. I'm late 30's and divorced. The fleecing I took during divorce was a life changing event. So much so, that I joined The Bowl. Depending on the SB, I spend freely and have racked up a $500+ date or two. That's for strong 8-10 rated girls.
Girls lower on the scale I gave $0. They were mostly impressed by the fact I was somewhat relatable and in shape. They never mentioned sugar. They wanted me more as a "rich boyfriend" experience. These were the BBBJ on first date girls or the SBs that made no mention of using a condom in the FC. Literally these girls sighed in disappointment as I pulled out a condom. It sounds to me that these are the girls most guys in here like to chase. I liked some of these girls and they were fun, but I bored of them quickly.
Member #5144
12-17-15, 08:31
Hope I can get the hotel staff to change the sheets and towels during my intermission! ?Call HSKP as soon as she leaves. Spill a coke on the bed and mop it up with a towel so it just makes cosmetic damage.
HoyaSvnFgr
12-17-15, 09:00
Here's my theory. Every girl that chooses to do SB / SD has some form of a kink. At first I was like most guys attempting to treat this as a PPP type of event. I got no fulfillment out of it. I started looking for 10's, nothing less. This helped me tremendously with fixing problems with my game. The hotter girls are the most challenging.
I started reading all the self-help guy books I could find. The "3% Man" book was the holy grail for me and my relationships with women all started to make sense. Once I started changing my psyche I no longer needed The Bowl. I'll still keep it in my back pocket if needed though. I'd say 75% of the girls I meet IRL are bangable now.
I applied the stuff I was learning about being dominant, being confident and really paying attention to what the girl says and does. Some are hard for me to read at first and I couldn't tell if it was the sugar that kept them around. I never paid set amounts, it was more small gifts here and there and whatever bills SB needed help with. I was untrustful of intent. I lived by the mantra that if your SB is moving her lips, she's probably lying.
My main SB was your typical hot 20 something with GPS. She'd be bitchy randomly. She'd make attempts to overspend, etc. The normal hot girl testing you and trying to make you jealous. I stayed the course no matter what. I learned to stop giving in. Since she had all the intangibles I like and has the looks of a super-model I started to pursue this as a mental challenge primarily.
It dawned on me after some time and one particular incident how much I had this girl. I was wrangling keys around one morning and slamming some doors, but still in my house. She thinks I left out. I see her run to the front door in a panic and a very sad look on her face. She screams "Where is he going, why did he leave?
My opinion is that it's cost effective to make an SB yours, it doesn't have to be a transactional arrangement. It's more mileage in the long haul if you treat POTS like human beings. When I started listening to these girls I realized they are telling you everything you need to know. They are desperate for guidance, the sugar isn't really what they want. It's the masculine energy of a "successful" guy that they are looking for. Once they find you're worthy they'll be loyal. By all means spoil these girls, have fun. My point is you can do this and spend ZERO. Give freely based on how it makes you feel most importantly.
When I started listening to these girls I realized they are telling you everything you need to know. They are desperate for guidance, the sugar isn't really what they want. It's the masculine energy of a "successful" guy that they are looking for. Once they find you're worthy they'll be loyal. By all means spoil these girls, have fun. My point is you can do this and spend ZERO. Give freely based on how it makes you feel most importantly.Sweet story Hoya. But not true in the collective. This is true for an age appropriate guy who is dating IRL-like. But reality for most of us who are 20 yrs older up to 40+,and not free to date (married) ,it IS all about the Money. You must be attractive, young, and have game to tap these hotties who are looking for an IRL partner to nab. You know the saying girls make "he's a catch!" Well, I am a catch for my wife who lives a life free of financial worries, with an age appropriate guy who is well to do, attractive, and nice. My advice to you is watch out for the "falling in love" syndrome that these girls may exhibit when they realize you are a "good catch IRL".
Brothers,
To step off topic for a moment just for amusement's sake, I was PMing a fellow member of the club about some possible UTR leads in the Windy City, since he was set to visit us for work, and it occurred to me that one of my litmus tests for pros, UTRs or simply babies who will be willing to play for a night or two if you are coming to town is their boob size.
In my experience with On The Road sugaring, the larger their boobs are, especially if they're fake, the more willing they seem to be to acquiesce to a one or two night stand. Of course there are exceptions, and I can think of a handful in my own experience, but in general I like it as a field identification technique. Conversely, the smaller they are, the more they seem to be interested in women as well as men, again at least in my recent experience. I have found, however, that all of the above seems to go out the window where Latinas are concerned, and in fact may be just the opposite, so who knows?
And granted, while I have yet to arrange the highly-sought-after threesome with my current ATF and another baby, it is not for lack of candidates. I have three and possibly four willings just waiting for those pesky holidays to be over so that panties, and my boxers, can hit the floor.
So, in the current spirit of wanting more than just war stories in the clubhouse journal, I toss this out to the General Brotherhood: what are some of your "indicators"? And it can be anything at all - several years ago we shared buzz words that if received when communicating with a POT were sure-fire flags that she was a pro, I. E. "babe".
In any event, I urge you all to keep up the good work, and let's not allow this thread to stagnate. While I agree that too many "war stories" grows wearisome after a while, there must be more valuable, or even humorous, anecdotes to share? Any brother who has fucked a baby 20 years or more his junior due to assistance from the journal is obligated to post! Please share your insights and bring some light to these somber days.
Happy holidays to you all, whatever you practice, and best wishes for the coming year.
Tally ho,
Scott.
HoyaSvnFgr
12-18-15, 02:10
Sweet story Hoya. But not true in the collective. This is true for an age appropriate guy who is dating IRL-like. But reality for most of us who are 20 yrs older up to 40+,and not free to date (married) ,it IS all about the Money. You must be attractive, young, and have game to tap these hotties who are looking for an IRL partner to nab. You know the saying girls make "he's a catch!" Well, I am a catch for my wife who lives a life free of financial worries, with an age appropriate guy who is well to do, attractive, and nice. My advice to you is watch out for the "falling in love" syndrome that these girls may exhibit when they realize you are a "good catch IRL".Good advice, Fred. I suppose the bigger question I'm having now is, "Is this the life from here on out?" I don't foresee marriage again. I also don't think I'd deal with a woman my age anymore. I'm hoping I didn't open a Pandora's box with this SB / SD lifestyle. One thing it has helped me realize is to focus on your career and family, everything else seems to right itself.
Member #5144
12-18-15, 09:11
Brothers,
In my experience with On The Road sugaring, the larger their boobs are, especially if they're fake, the more willing they seem to be to acquiesce to a one or two night stand. I would agree, though most of the ones I ended up with were natural gals I seemed to hit it off with. Chemistry vs Chemicals (Silicone).
I would agree, though most of the ones I ended up with were natural gals I seemed to hit it off with. Chemistry vs Chemicals (Silicone).I'm just not a big fan of fake boobs. I know some guys see no difference, and obviously enjoy the larger sizes, but I'd really just as soon have little or no boobs than fake ones. I prefer the soft natural feel by far.
I have had a few SBs with the bolt-ons and they worked out OK. But also seemed to be a little more of the GPS type and were a little harder on the budget. Guess they may have been still making payments to the plastic surgeon.
Gentlemen,
Just wanted to follow up on my earlier post regarding my local UPS store and receiving a package of blue vitamins from the sub continent. I am happy to report that my purchase from All Day Chemist went through without a hitch, using a pre-paid green dot card and having it shipped to my name at my local UPS mailing / mailbox store.
ADC provided me with a tracking number once it was in the system, and I logged in every few days or so to track its progress. Once it indicated it was in the US, I alerted the guy at the UPS store to expect a package for me, and on the day it arrived I went in, paid them five dollars for receiving it for me, and walked out with my package.
Everything functioned beautifully, easily and completely under the radar of my SO.
Ya got to love it! I'm convinced this package receipt gambit was dreamed up by one of us trying to keep incriminating mail out of the reach of his SO.
Happy holidays, my brothers.
Scott.
Sharing SB info too freely will drive some out when they realize we are comparing notes -- they will feel like ******.
Chatting with an RVA gal who has an SB mentor -- one girl might not realize a bunch of guys are conspiring to bang her like a drum for the lowest possible price, but two are sure to figure it out and get super careful.I have to agree with this. Some of these girls are right on the edge of cancelling soon after they register if things don't go their way in short time let alone one of them finding out that they are being talked about by others who want to do them. Recently I've had to talk out of cancelling a few women where things weren't going their way on the site. I found this out when I reached out to them for the first time. I had to sell them to have more patience. The last thing these women want to be associated with is anything other than a sugar baby.
SugarDaddyX
12-21-15, 01:26
I recently got a message from a SB with some bullshit story about her wanting to save up for a place to live and get an education. It had a GoFundMe link in the message: gofundme.com/g4fn7wzw.
In the past, I had seen SB's say they would only respond to messages from guys who bought them something off their Amazon wishlist.
Do these babies think we are stupid enough to forward funds to them for nothing? Then again, someone donated $50 to that GoFundMe less than an hour ago. Apparently, there are some really desperate, gullible loser SD's out there.
SugarDaddyX
12-21-15, 11:46
I recently got a message from a SB with some bullshit story about her wanting to save up for a place to live and get an education. It had a GoFundMe link in the message: gofundme.com/g4fn7wzw.
In the past, I had seen SB's say they would only respond to messages from guys who bought them something off their Amazon wishlist.
Do these babies think we are stupid enough to forward funds to them for nothing? Then again, someone donated $50 to that GoFundMe less than an hour ago. Apparently, there are some really desperate, gullible loser SD's out there.I reported the profile as spam, and it looks like SA deleted it within 12 hours.
If you run into scammers, share them, please.
That's fair play regardless of what you are thinking about the rest.
I have to agree with this. Some of these girls are right on the edge of cancelling soon after they register if things don't go their way in short time let alone one of them finding out that they are being talked about by others who want to do them. Recently I've had to talk out of cancelling a few women where things weren't going their way on the site. I found this out when I reached out to them for the first time. I had to sell them to have more patience. The last thing these women want to be associated with is anything other than a sugar baby.
If you run into scammers, share them, please.
That's fair play regardless of what you are thinking about the rest.I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't referring to scammers. More to the legitimate baby's finding out about being paraded around to the others like is done with the escorts from BP.
I cracked up reading your post. The song from frozen started playing in my head. Let it go, let it go.I just saw your post. I must have been off for a bit and missed it. LOL about that song.
I'm getting real tired of texting with a new potential SB for only a short time before they start asking for me to pay pal them money. I tell them to go fuck off. I hope no one actually sends money.
SugarDaddyX
12-25-15, 23:09
I'm getting real tired of texting with a new potential SB for only a short time before they start asking for me to pay pal them money. I tell them to go fuck off. I hope no one actually sends money.Over the years, I have seen a few profiles with SB's saying they expect a PayPal deposit before meeting. I never bothered to contact those SB's. I have never had a SB that I was chatting with come out and demand money upfront, knock on wood. If they did that, all communication would cease immediately from my end.
In a similar vein, if an SB starts asking me within the first message or two what specific dollar amount I am going to give her for an allowance, I know things will not work out: she is comparison shopping with dozens or even hundreds of guys. Which ever salt daddy lies and says the largest dollar amount is the one she goes with. These are the types of sugar babies that get scammed by a salt daddy early on and either (1.) depart the website / lifestyle soon after or (2.) become angry and skeptical with every other SD she communicates with from that point forward. I have heard lots of stories from my babies and my potentials about all of the fake SD's and liars out there.
John HandCock
12-25-15, 23:45
I'm getting real tired of texting with a new potential SB for only a short time before they start asking for me to pay pal them money. I tell them to go fuck off. I hope no one actually sends money.Yep sadly they do and they pay for a simple m / g. Some pay good money so these girls spread the word and alot come to expect it.
Madaboutmax
12-27-15, 12:54
I've found sending holiday greetings to girls I've had past contact with to be a great way to re-initiate contact. Some girls that had drifted away either because they hoped to find a better offer, or did find what they thought was a better offer that ultimately was a disappointment have expressed interest in renewing our discussion. I already have 2 m / g scheduled from this effort!
Happy holidays and good luck to all.
Cephlapod Love
12-28-15, 21:18
Yep sadly they do and they pay for a simple m / g. Some pay good money so these girls spread the word and alot come to expect it.A lot of that "pay me for a Meet & Greet" can be traced back to the What's Your Price website. Since it is owned by the same scumdude as SA there is a lot of cross-marketing and girls who have success over there figure it is the same game on SA and they tray that game.
Sometimes one has to educate the SB population as they go. Irritating to have to avoid scammers and other games, but hey, in the long run it is a better game than dating off CL or BP and often better girls and more fun.
Guess everything has its "price" of entry?
Good thinking.
I've found sending holiday greetings to girls I've had past contact with to be a great way to re-initiate contact. Some girls that had drifted away either because they hoped to find a better offer, or did find what they thought was a better offer that ultimately was a disappointment have expressed interest in renewing our discussion. I already have 2 m / g scheduled from this effort!
Happy holidays and good luck to all.
IluvSmellyFish
12-31-15, 16:52
I can only assume that the lack of posts here means that other brothers are busy juggling their babies. It's been an eventful few weeks in real life and the bowl for me. The holidays have been busy and things picked up quite nicely right before Christmas.
I've swapped out my entire rotation for the new year. I kicked the swim instructor to the curb after she started to get a little too clingy. Decided that I needed to end things before she got even more attached emotionally. Sorry brothers, but her account is still dark.
My new lineup consists of a brunette college coed, a Midwest brunette young professional, and a yellow haired mid twenty something who loves nothing more than sitting on my face. All three are very pretty. Midwest was once a little heavier than I normally like them (based on her Facebook pics) but has since lost about fifteen lbs, which explains why she loves the attention I give her. The brunette coed is pure innocence and sweetness, until I got her into the hotel room. When she started begging me to use her anyway I wanted to, I almost came right there. It amazes me because the brunette coed was the one that received the victorias secret gift card from another SD after she missed the first m&g, but my arrangement with her is based solely on taking her out and helping her explore her sexuality.
It goes to confirm that not all of the ladies on SA are out there to dig for gold. Some of these young things are just looking to have new and different experiences. Finding one of them is like finding a diamond in the rough, but could not be more worth the effort. Life is good brothers.
Happy new year, and happy hunting.
Madaboutmax
01-01-16, 12:50
There was a discussion a month or so ago about how the bowl should pick up prior to holidays but after exams for the college babies. That clearly has happened in the last 2 weeks. Many young ladies entering or re-entering the bowl. I've been average 2 new #s a day and can't keep up with the M&G's.
I've found many of the girls to be genuinely sweet. Sure, almost all babies are looking for financial support, buy many also emotional and mentoring needs that a Daddy can provide.
As has been said here before. Treat them well and do no harm. If with the outrageous GPS babies, I just politely decline and wish them well. A few have come back after reality set in.
I can only assume that the lack of posts here means that other brothers are busy juggling their babies. It's been an eventful few weeks in real life and the bowl for me. The holidays have been busy and things picked up quite nicely right before Christmas.
I've swapped out my entire rotation for the new year. I kicked the swim instructor to the curb after she started to get a little too clingy. Decided that I needed to end things before she got even more attached emotionally. Sorry brothers, but her account is still dark.
My new lineup consists of a brunette college coed, a Midwest brunette young professional, and a yellow haired mid twenty something who loves nothing more than sitting on my face. All three are very pretty. Midwest was once a little heavier than I normally like them (based on her Facebook pics) but has since lost about fifteen lbs, which explains why she loves the attention I give her. The brunette coed is pure innocence and sweetness, until I got her into the hotel room. When she started begging me to use her anyway I wanted to, I almost came right there. It amazes me because the brunette coed was the one that received the victorias secret gift card from another SD after she missed the first m&g, but my arrangement with her is based solely on taking her out and helping her explore her sexuality.
It goes to confirm that not all of the ladies on SA are out there to dig for gold. Some of these young things are just looking to have new and different experiences. Finding one of them is like finding a diamond in the rough, but could not be more worth the effort. Life is good brothers.
Happy new year, and happy hunting.
Member #5144
01-02-16, 07:52
I guess many SBs are resolving to suck more cock for money in 2016 y.
Several that had never replied to my messages either replied or viewed my profile yesterday. About a dozen in all!
HoyaSvnFgr
01-02-16, 10:37
I guess many SBs are resolving to suck more cock for money in 2016 y.
Several that had never replied to my messages either replied or viewed my profile yesterday. About a dozen in all!Been getting lots of text messages from old flings. The girls are ready to play again! Had one beg me to BBBJ. Hard to resist.
PghGuy2005
01-02-16, 12:30
Do you put in the effort or is the SB adventurous or team work? In case of the last how do you communicate to the SB that our "meetings" are getting boring and predictable?
Madaboutmax
01-02-16, 14:29
It depends on how good it once was, how long I've known them and how easily we can talk to each other. I've pretty much been polite, honest and direct. If they like me and want to keep seeing me, they want to improve our outings. If not, we both move on. No harm, no foul.
Do you put in the effort or is the SB adventurous or team work? In case of the last how do you communicate to the SB that our "meetings" are getting boring and predictable?
IluvSmellyFish
01-02-16, 21:44
Agree with madaboutmax on this one. Girls stay in the rotation longer depending on a variety of circumstances. To keep it interesting, I might bring a toy to a session, order a porn flick on the tv at the hotel, ask her about her fantasies, see if she's willing to fuck outdoors or the mall, etc. The last one is my favorite because it saves on hotels. My college coed likes getting banged in the library. It's amazing how hot it is watching her face while she cums but has to be completely quiet. It was loads of fun since the place was empty during the last day the school was open.
Of course when a lady is on the higher end of the allowance spectrum, I expect them to make the effort, not me. If they don't, then its time to move on in my book. On the other hand, I make a much bigger effort with the lower maintenance ones since I like keeping them around.
The nicer they are to me and my wallet, the more effort I put into keeping things fresh and fun for both of us.
It depends on how good it once was, how long I've known them and how easily we can talk to each other. I've pretty much been polite, honest and direct. If they like me and want to keep seeing me, they want to improve our outings. If not, we both move on. No harm, no foul.
Madaboutmax
01-03-16, 16:24
Good points. We need to remember that many of theses Babies are looking to learn and explore. They may appreciate being taught to explore their sensuality and limits with someone they know and trust. For many younger women, it is the experience of an older gentleman that they appreciate the most.
I've enjoyed helping a willing baby explore their sensuality and limits. Many have fantasies of 3 somes, BDSM, rough sex and sex in a public place. Sometimes you teacher learns new things too!! .
Agree with madaboutmax on this one. Girls stay in the rotation longer depending on a variety of circumstances. To keep it interesting, I might bring a toy to a session, order a porn flick on the tv at the hotel, ask her about her fantasies, see if she's willing to fuck outdoors or the mall, etc. The last one is my favorite because it saves on hotels. My college coed likes getting banged in the library. It's amazing how hot it is watching her face while she cums but has to be completely quiet. It was loads of fun since the place was empty during the last day the school was open.
Of course when a lady is on the higher end of the allowance spectrum, I expect them to make the effort, not me. If they don't, then its time to move on in my book. On the other hand, I make a much bigger effort with the lower maintenance ones since I like keeping them around.
The nicer they are to me and my wallet, the more effort I put into keeping things fresh and fun for both of us.
LikeMike1963
01-04-16, 15:47
Ok. This has been a loooong saga. So hotel was rented (early December) the plan was to meet after she got off work. This was to be our first panty encounter. We have met about 10 x and I am into this for maybe 1200 and no panties on the floor. LOL. I can hear the groans from you guys already. But if you have read the rest of the story connected you know that this is a girl I am introducing to the bowl. Hand picked form a personal encounter not a site. Her first time etc. Now this is by far the most I have ever inve $ted and probably the longest time period. . She drops me a text about an hour before she gets off work asking what I would like her to wear. I respond. Drops me a text when off work and said she may need me to pick her up as she may need to leave her car for the sitter who is watching her boy. 3 o minutes later said she is getting a ride and will let me know if I need to get her. Theeeeennnn silence!. I send a few text over the next 2 hours just asking need a ride? Are you ok? Have you changed your mind? Nothing. Oh well. Soo I figure I guess she flaked and figure hey. I have closed 3 of4 with this method. That's still pretty damn good selling percentage and figure I move on. Which not only sucked because I dropped 200 on the room but I just had a certain affinity for this chick. Most would like give her an overall 7 . 5'2". 95 lbs. 25 yr old but looks young. Nice round rear though. Obviously thin at that weight but a killer smile and cute factor. Think of a Liv Tyler and Victoria Principal mix (some of you yungins may have to google Victoria Principal. Haha) anyway. It is what it is. So 4 days later I get a text from a number I do not recognize on my special phone asking if this is (blah blah) I respond by text yes it is. As only like 3 people have ever had this number. And it is her. Ok. I think flaked. Then had remorse. But she was in a car accident and phone got lost. Was in the hospital for a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. Lips moving lying. But we met a couple days later for lunch and she was bruised up a bit. . plus a new phone. Her old phone was not usable but they were able to recover data not all with the names and plus she had to find her phone after she got out out of th hospital. Soooo. We meet for a bite then make plans to meet for some more personal type of time. Now I am in for about 1800 (yes I helped her out for a couple weeks after we met post accident. I hear you all. YOU DUMB ASS. Suuuuckeeeerrrrrr. But damn. I just have a real affinity for this chic (I may not of mentioned but I have been aware of this chick for about 2 years. She was not as aware of me but I have been of her and was waiting for the right time. . so hey. Might as well go all in. I mean if it happens then my CTF at this point is like 2 k. But if it does work and I fuck her 2 x then its down to 1 k. And my percentages go down quickly compared to you guys who are squeezing a $ or 1. 5 $. Hahah. So we set up a time to meet and I will make her dinner. I give a gift card to VS and ask for her to pick something out to wear. So I'm thinking this will be like 2. 5 months and 2 k invested and all this anticipation. There is noooooo way this can be as good as I want it to be. Like a movie you are anxious to see and after. Its yeah that was good but too much build up. I know something has to be wrong and unanticipated. Like. Her pussy is going to be ugly. Maybe smell. Then be all loose on top of it all. Probably does not even give head. !. sooooo once again we are to meet. She texts she is running late. Ugh. Then texts she is 10 min away. Uh oh. Some light to then end of the tunnel. Then a text she is having a hard time finding the location. Is she really coming? Then there she is driving down the street. Hooray!. She comes in to the secret hideaway. We have a couple drinks. I make some food. Chat laugh. Pull her close. Pick her up and take her back to the room. I will spare the slow undressing and kissing etc. Sooo. Work my way to the panties. Attempting to get pre sniff of what this will be. Well. DAMN IT!.gueeeeeesss what. The panties come off. And her pussy is beautiful. I proceed to make my way to the wonderful piece of art. F'and tastes like candy corn. Damn it is good. I ask for a return favor and like a pouncing feline she takes it on. Wonderful skill set. I pull her hair back and push her down. Climb on top and proceed with entry into what has to be the loosest pussy ever. NOT. Swap some positions around then to the point of no return I tell her I am going to cum in her mouth. I pull her head back jump up and into her mouth. Bam. Like a champ finishes me off. Sooooooo damn. F and damn. It was a phenomenal movie ending! We will see how this goes LT. Hell its been 3 months now. And Daddy is happy! Plus as mentioned earlier. My CTF can really only go down from here LOL. She is my new addiction.
I recently booked a hotel room. Nicer location in the area. I booked direct through the hotel site with my alias. Which is sorta close but enough different. They texted the reservation to my burn phone. I booked with a gift card. When I showed up asked they asked for my I'd I told them I lost my wallet but provided the visa and my phone with the reservation code they sent me. The counter person said let me make a call. Called her manager I guess and came back and said you are taken care of Mr. "Sugar Daddy". It was a roll of the dice but worked.
IluvSmellyFish
01-04-16, 16:10
You had been watching her for two years but she didn't know it? That's a story I'd be interested in hearing. And if you break it down into high end escort dollars, your cost per fuck isn't unreasonable.
Ok. This has been a loooong saga. So hotel was rented (early December) the plan was to meet after she got off work. This was to be our first panty encounter. We have met about 10 x and I am into this for maybe 1200 and no panties on the floor. LOL. I can hear the groans from you guys already. But if you have read the rest of the story connected you know that this is a girl I am introducing to the bowl. Hand picked form a personal encounter not a site. Her first time etc. Now this is by far the most I have ever inve $ted and probably the longest time period. . She drops me a text about an hour before she gets off work asking what I would like her to wear. I respond. Drops me a text when off work and said she may need me to pick her up as she may need to leave her car for the sitter who is watching her boy. 3 o minutes later said she is getting a ride and will let me know if I need to get her. Theeeeennnn silence!. I send a few text over the next 2 hours just asking need a ride? Are you ok? Have you changed your mind? Nothing. Oh well. Soo I figure I guess she flaked and figure hey. I have closed 3 of4 with this method. That's still pretty damn good selling percentage and figure I move on. Which not only sucked because I dropped 200 on the room but I just had a certain affinity for this chick. Most would like give her an overall 7 . 5'2". 95 lbs. 25 yr old but looks young. Nice round rear though. Obviously thin at that weight but a killer smile and cute factor. Think of a Liv Tyler and Victoria Principal mix (some of you yungins may have to google Victoria Principal. Haha) anyway. It is what it is. So 4 days later I get a text from a number I do not recognize on my special phone asking if this is (blah blah) I respond by text yes it is. As only like 3 people have ever had this number. And it is her. Ok. I think flaked. Then had remorse. But she was in a car accident and phone got lost. Was in the hospital for a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. Lips moving lying. But we met a couple days later for lunch and she was bruised up a bit. . plus a new phone. Her old phone was not usable but they were able to recover data not all with the names and plus she had to find her phone after she got out out of th hospital. Soooo. We meet for a bite then make plans to meet for some more personal type of time. Now I am in for about 1800 (yes I helped her out for a couple weeks after we met post accident. I hear you all. YOU DUMB ASS. Suuuuckeeeerrrrrr. But damn. I just have a real affinity for this chic (I may not of mentioned but I have been aware of this chick for about 2 years. She was not as aware of me but I have been of her and was waiting for the right time. . so hey. Might as well go all in. I mean if it happens then my CTF at this point is like 2 k. But if it does work and I fuck her 2 x then its down to 1 k. And my percentages go down quickly compared to you guys who are squeezing a $ or 1. 5 $. Hahah. So we set up a time to meet and I will make her dinner. I give a gift card to VS and ask for her to pick something out to wear. So I'm thinking this will be like 2. 5 months and 2 k invested and all this anticipation. There is noooooo way this can be as good as I want it to be. Like a movie you are anxious to see and after. Its yeah that was good but too much build up. I know something has to be wrong and unanticipated. Like. Her pussy is going to be ugly. Maybe smell. Then be all loose on top of it all. Probably does not even give head. !. sooooo once again we are to meet. She texts she is running late. Ugh. Then texts she is 10 min away. Uh oh. Some light to then end of the tunnel. Then a text she is having a hard time finding the location. Is she really coming? Then there she is driving down the street. Hooray!. She comes in to the secret hideaway. We have a couple drinks. I make some food. Chat laugh. Pull her close. Pick her up and take her back to the room. I will spare the slow undressing and kissing etc. Sooo. Work my way to the panties. Attempting to get pre sniff of what this will be. Well. DAMN IT!.gueeeeeesss what. The panties come off. And her pussy is beautiful. I proceed to make my way to the wonderful piece of art. F'and tastes like candy corn. Damn it is good. I ask for a return favor and like a pouncing feline she takes it on. Wonderful skill set. I pull her hair back and push her down. Climb on top and proceed with entry into what has to be the loosest pussy ever. NOT. Swap some positions around then to the point of no return I tell her I am going to cum in her mouth. I pull her head back jump up and into her mouth. Bam. Like a champ finishes me off. Sooooooo damn. F and damn. It was a phenomenal movie ending! We will see how this goes LT. Hell its been 3 months now. And Daddy is happy! Plus as mentioned earlier. My CTF can really only go down from here LOL. She is my new addiction.
1963 good read. Had a good laugh at the Victoria Principle reference. She used to be my favorite back in the day. Well also I have to add, can't remember her name right now, but she played the wife of the Senator on Wedding Crashers. She was my other fav.
Member #5055
01-05-16, 07:08
Actually it was the Secretary's wife -- played by Jane Seymour -- and yes a great MILF example.
1963 good read. Had a good laugh at the Victoria Principle reference. She used to be my favorite back in the day. Well also I have to add, can't remember her name right now, but she played the wife of the Senator on Wedding Crashers. She was my other fav.
LikeMike1963
01-05-16, 08:46
We had met briefly at a restaurant and she caught my eye. Saw her on FB but she moved back home to Texas for awhile then returned about 4 mths ago. And I connected with her at that time. and your right about high end escort dollars.. but form getting to know her and watching her FB for awhile she has not dated a lot.. single mom.. child.. was going to school ..work etc.. not saying she is an angel..lol.. but the attraction here is I am not up her ass all the time like guys her age would be.. she does not have time for that so we have fun and communicate but its casual and enjoyable..but still a connection..
As as I have mentioned.. I am definitely looking for a long term newbie so willing to make an investment for a long term return…!
You had been watching her for two years but she didn't know it? That's a story I'd be interested in hearing. And if you break it down into high end escort dollars, your cost per fuck isn't unreasonable.
So I have been chatting up with this girl from SA and she totaly sounds like a pro. I have tried to do an image search. I know that I have seen this girl.
On BP so I am hoping my brother mongers can help me out.
I haven't posted a lot lately, but wanted to take a minute to make a few observations as I roll into a new year. Hope everyone had a good holiday season and you're all swimming in lovely young women.
First off, there was discussion of this thread losing steam as the number of SB threads in other cities continues to grow. I agree that a lot of what can be said about this craft has already been written here. I for one am okay with the anecdotes that are in here, such as like mikes below. While I wouldn't invest that much time or money on spec, it's inspiring to here about the long shot success and makes me want to get out there! As far as I am concerned, keep the war stories coming. As for threads in other cities which seem to be focused on swapping intel on specific girls, I am in the camp of the best babies wouldn't want to be traded, and indeed would probably cut you off. Not to say I haven't encountered LOTS of pros and UTR girls (more on that later) but the best ones to me are the ones that honestly want to have a connection and don't think of themselves as hookers.
As far as pro's and UTR's, I have to say that SA is getting full of them. I see more and more girls I recognize from BP opening SA accounts, or contact a girl about a meet and greet only to have her cite her hourly rate and menu. I think that trend is really bad for the site and for SB's in general. I know I may be kind of a hypocrite because I have taken a couple up on it. It's funny how the girls who aren't full blown pro's think. Last night I had a M&G with a 19 year old that I believe to be a newbie. I asked her what brought her to the site. She responded that she had heard about it from a friend of a friend, then without batting an eye said but "she's a hooker. " Fifteen minute later she rejected my offer of 150 and said she had to have at least 300. I gently declined and after she thought about it awhile she came back with "I'm really attracted to you, let's try it and I'll see if I can make it work. " She's supposed to be over this evening. We'll see what happens.
The holidays were odd. Conventional wisdom is the girls are looking for Christmas money and so eager to meet in December. I found that they were indeed eager for money, as they seemed unanimous in their belief that they should get 400 a meet; but I got flaked on more times in December than I can ever remember is so short a time. Thankfully with the turn of the calendar I have seen girls having more availability and have finally been on several meet and greets.
Finally, while SA is still alive and well, things don't seem as easy as they were a couple of years ago. Expectations are higher, responses seem to be down, and the UTR problem rolls on. I have no plans of trying any other fishing hole in the near future, but it definitely take a little more skill than it used to!
HoyaSvnFgr
01-05-16, 19:04
Bros,
Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!
I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?
IluvSmellyFish
01-05-16, 23:00
If you need more testosterone and want your body to keep producing it without becoming dependent on pharmacy testosterone, ask your urologist about chlomid.
Bros,
Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!
I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?
HoyaSvnFgr
01-06-16, 10:13
If you need more testosterone and want your body to keep producing it without becoming dependent on pharmacy testosterone, ask your urologist about chlomid.I don't think I have a problem with my testo levels. I had blood work done and there were no alarms. I use the testo "boosters" for libido. Based on the ingredients its more of a male multivitamin in my opinion. The ingredients are all essential vitamins and some other additives that appear to help make use of existing testosterone more efficiently. The product I'm using is called "prime male". After 2 days of use I was able to see some improvements. I lasted a strong 10-12 minutes. It could be placebo or the fact I've been more rigorous in the gym. My diet is also a bit cleaner. Hopefully with what I'm doing now and a cialis prescription I'll be back to my 19 yr old erection strength and an hour of staying power.
One thing I did note was my girl was saying her ex-boyfriend her age wasn't freaky enough in bed. I thought I was pretty vanilla, but I do add some kink like choking, smacking and thrusting to hit her cervix. Maybe being an old dog adds some more points in our favor.
Bros,
Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!
I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?Do you have a fading erection or PE -or both? PE can be treated using condoms, predate masturbation, or multiple pops. Get your 1st 2 stroke pop, then get back to it a 2nd or 3rd time. If you have an ED problem then Cialis type drugs should help. The urologist can help with Rxs.
I saw a new listing on SA and was the same girl on BP. What we should do is pull up BP and compare to the new listings. This Ho was pretty cute but I've gotten spoiled knowing my girl hasn't taken 6 loads of cum in her mouth before our date. You know these Pros don't usually take a shower in between each John. The John's DNA is all over her -and you are licking it off thinking how sweet her pussy smells.
LikeMike1963
01-06-16, 18:14
What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.
I saw a new listing on SA and was the same girl on BP. What we should do is pull up BP and compare to the new listings. I haven't met a girl off BP in a couple of years now, but I still check out the local listings once in a while just for that reason. If I see a profile on SA of a BP girl she's a no-go. When I meet a girl on SA in person and she give me that pro vibe, I may hit it once if I've already invested time in meeting her, but that will be it. I'm spoiled by the girls who haven't gone completely commercial.
Member #5144
01-06-16, 22:58
AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.
Otherwise, get her on PayPal.
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.She's entitled to her opinion as arrogant as it is. The problem is if guys start doing that there's no incentive for her to do anything other than to show up and let some sap pay for her meals or drinks by gracing us with her presence. Then she'll want you to take her shopping or on a cruise, etc. It would never end. Anyone with that attitude I'd avoid and be happy I didn't waste a cent on her. Remember your time is valuable too- as well as your money. There are plenty of other women who appreciate what you bring to the table- being a decent guy, treating them right, sense of humor, etc. So if she's not interested- next! Just my opinion.
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.This type of SB just wants to rinse SDs.
Madaboutmax
01-07-16, 07:08
Use the same rationale from the SD point of view. Based on your income, your time is clearly worth more than the SBs. If all she is offering is the opportunity to spend time with an attractive young woman, your money would be better spent at a Hooters, Tilted Kilt, strip club, etc.
Both the SD and SB need to look at it as an investment in a future deal. The SD invested his time and the cost of the meal. The SB invests her time and costs for preparing do the date. I have agreed to pay before extraordinary expenses like gas and baby sitter, etc.
How many sales people charge the customer for the costs associated with making a sales call?. Few if any! Does it cost them time and money to make a sales call?. Yes! They carefully select who they will call on based upon the potential for future business. If they see no potential, they won't make the call. The SB is saying she doubts their is any real potential in an arrangement and needs to get paid for the meet and greet.
Next!
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.
LikeMike1963
01-07-16, 08:38
Can you add anonymously?. I have an alias with her and do not want my real name out to her.
AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.
Otherwise, get her on PayPal.
What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.I've been using Google Wallet. I set my girl up on it. I have it as well obviously. I transfer money to her email address which is linked to her bank account. I don't have the worries of an SO, so it has worked well. If I transfer it from my debit card then it goes in her account almost instantaneously, where if I transfer it from my bank account it could take up to 3 business days.
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.
Prepay is an Instagram fueled arrogance of the Millennials. They want our money and will have to work to get it. Stick to your guns Brothers and do not reward this self absorbed behavior. If there are guys out there who are paying it just reinforces bad behavior -so don't do it. Unfortunately, just like SBs who get paid $moderate and up allowances, they chat it up on line (like we do) and give hope to their Blog sisters that rinsing is alive and well.
Prepay demands will mostly result in non acquisition of a Daddy, and they will either abandon the lifestyle when their Profile gathers dust or they will adjust to market pressures and go on free M&Gs. They need to consider M&Gs as a job interview as has been said before. Obviously getting an SD can mean $1000's to them.
Cephlapod Love
01-07-16, 10:43
AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.
Otherwise, get her on PayPal.
Er, why would one do anything with a girl that links directly to your real name and real bank account? Last I checked Paypal also required a bank account or CC to use. What am I missing?
Cephlapod Love
01-07-16, 10:50
The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.Eh, more carry over mentality from the lovely What's Your Price site. Sigh.
"I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase." This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".
Bam.
I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.
I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.
1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.
2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.
3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.
4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.
Success happens rarely but when:
1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.
2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.
3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.
4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.
Member #5144
01-07-16, 11:56
Can you add anonymously?. I have an alias with her and do not want my real name out to her.Not entirely sure, but I think so since you set up and manage the account and just give her the card with no other info.
I used one for my father in laws care taker in FL to do his grocery shopping.
You, however, do have to give your real name and SSN to AMEX so they don't think you are laundering money.
Member #5144
01-07-16, 12:01
2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.
General cluelessness.
I met a hot blonde promo model in TX a few months back. I can't remember what her expectation was, but when I did the math for a one time meet. Including a 20% premium for a one time meet (lets face it, 7-11 charges a premium for convenience, I get the principle in pricing) -- assuming her monthly involved weekly meetings.
I offered $400 for an overnight, she was expecting $700. I explained my thinking to her, which she understood, and agreed to meet.
Of course, she did ask for $100 more a few hours after we met and I told her we would see.
She was even hotter than pictures and begged for CIM with swallow -- TWICE -- so I threw her the bonus benji in the morning.
I don't mind bonsuing for effort and performance, just not agreeing to it up front.
I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.
I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.
1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.
2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.
3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.
4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.
Success happens rarely but when:
1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.
2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.
3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.
4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?
Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?An insanely hot local girl did the same thing. I think these girls can get big bucks -more as a high end escort for a short term gig. Maybe a weekend for $5000. Once they tag a Daddy Big Bucks for a High Dollar Gig they believe their "value" has gone up. And maybe they're right. If she had a regular Daddy she would not be on the site still. If she is an SD collector she is just an escort. Escorts burn out VERY quickly.
Face it, if I could drop $5,000 without missing it on a 10/10 hottie, I would take her along for a getaway. Just remember, in the end pussy is just pussy, and I would take a sweet 7 /8 for a fraction of the price all day long. And variety is still King so you will get tired of the 10 just as fast as the 7.
Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?
Madaboutmax
01-07-16, 15:00
There are guys that will pay GPS prices for SB's I'm sure. I know one guy that regularly overpays and he knows it. He has the disposable income and flaunts it to the girls, but he rarely sees the same girl more than 1 or 2 times and treats the girls like blow up dolls.
I think HWG wrote about this in the past. Sure there are some guys who will pay the high price, but either they are unappealing (appearance, hygiene, personality, fetishist, etc) that the SB would need the extra to suffer through the experience or they are appealing and most likely only last for a date or two and move to the next girl.
They have to ask themselves what they are willing to deal with for the higher amounts or how many guys and how much effort do they want to put in to continually search.
There are a few high GPS SB'S in my area that I see on the site all the time. They clearly haven't found on long term SD that's willing to meet their needs and need to keep looking for the next target.
Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?
This is a good apprach.
Just to be clear, I don't agree with that SB. Just wanted to share how she was thinking.
This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".
Bam.
HoyaSvnFgr
01-07-16, 17:51
Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?Her being able to host is a huge plus. I'd put in the time and effort to work on the sex. It'll pay huge dividends in the long-term. Explore what she's into and keep the cash flowing. You'll eventually get what you want out of it.
This is a good apprach.
Just to be clear, I don't agree with that SB. Just wanted to share how she was thinking.No confusion. I understood you didn't agree with her and were just sharing her viewpoint. It sounds like most of us agree that she is full of herself and will not be hanging out with anyone here with that attitude. There are better options to spend our hard earned money.
IluvSmellyFish
01-07-16, 21:12
I'll play devils advocate. I'd backburner the current SB and renew the SA account. The bowl is flowing once again. I agree with hoya in that being able to host is great on the wallet and wonderfully convenient, but for me variety really is the spice of life.
When I want to work on training a lady, I will only spend that kind of effort in two places. The first is on my SO, to whom most of these babies couldn't hold a candle. They are the mickey the's / chipoltle / cheesecake factory to her Ruths Chris. The other place I I don't mind spending the time and effort in training are the 18/19/20 yr old young babies who genuinely love sex, but haven't had someone experienced enough to train them.
My experience has been that when a girl isn't great in the sack because the sex drive isn't there, then trying to train them isn't as fulfilling. They may genuinely really like you and want to please you, but for me, half the fun is when I see how much fun their having while I make them cum.
I do see lots of merit in hoyas position though, and depending on your connection with the SB, it might be in your best interest to spend time training your current side dish.
Just my two cents and what I would do though. Remeber though, I get bored of my babies pretty quickly so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
Her being able to host is a huge plus. I'd put in the time and effort to work on the sex. It'll pay huge dividends in the long-term. Explore what she's into and keep the cash flowing. You'll eventually get what you want out of it.
Member #6951
01-07-16, 23:14
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e1f21a731/view?conversation-inbox
First sign. Contacted me first (but without any indication of interest in me).
Second sign. Asked for money up front before meeting.
No third sign needed.
Member #6951
01-07-16, 23:30
New year and I dove right back in to the bowl. Lots of activity, and a good mix of options here in the DC area and also in Boston. I've got at least a dozen POTs going between the two cities, plus continued activity with members of the stable. Among others I have going, in no particular order:
- curvy divorced MILF just looking for sex, very kinky, will happen just need to get schedules to align.
- cute college student wanting to explore her horizons.
- sexy college student looking for a DD.
- alternative college senior looking for "maturity" (code for a man that knows what he is doing).
- older former stripper with huge fake cans but very sexual.
- single mom looking to get down to business because she doesn't get to have any fun anymore.
Life is good.
Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?Have you considered buying her a toy. I bought my 21 year old SB a small vibrator for Christmas. First time she ever held one in her hand. She really liked it. I am going to let her pick out a jack rabbit this weekend so I can keep it at my placed.
Bill Cullen
01-08-16, 09:17
Have you considered buying her a toy. I bought my 21 year old SB a small vibrator for Christmas. First time she ever held one in her hand. She really liked it. I am going to let her pick out a jack rabbit this weekend so I can keep it at my placed.In a similar boat with my current. Our activities could be so much better if she'd just loosen up a bit.
Last month I bought her a low-end rabbit. I went low end because it was a first for both of us and didn't want to fork out high $$ for the best until we gave it a try.
I surprised her with it while she was blindfolded. Put it in her hand first, then on to other areas. It was definitely a hit and she told me she used it 4 times over the next week. It's been added to our dates regularly now and has definitely added new spark.
I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.
Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->
I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.So they were talking on the SA Blog with her. Check out SA Blog "When to bring up intimacy" 1/2/16 825 AM Her name is Rachel. She claims to have success with WYP type of M&G payments. She is very arrogant and probably FOS, but a pretty cute 20 yr old. Maybe old horndogs in J-Ville Fla are desperate-more so than we are up here for sure.
PghGuy2005
01-08-16, 12:29
What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.If you cannot reload using cash at the register you can buy non-reloadable prepaid cards with cash whenever you need to pay the SB but you'll have to get the physical card to her.
I have not been able to find reloadable cards that do not ask for your SSN etc.
PghGuy2005
01-08-16, 12:37
I thought I will have to wait until there are realistic sexbots that I can afford but today I found what is VR porn!
http://mashable.com/2016/01/08/naughty-america-vr-porn-experience
PghGuy2005
01-08-16, 12:44
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You, however, do have to give your real name and SSN to AMEX so they don't think you are laundering money.The objective is to do all this without having to reveal your real identity!
Member #5144
01-08-16, 13:12
The objective is to do all this without having to reveal your real identity!She just has the card -- she does not have access to the account info that you create the log in for.
My FIL's care taker had the card, she had no idea the account was in his name with his info and not our family's.
Cephlapod Love
01-08-16, 13:38
So the other day I'm in the FC with my SB. We finished round one and were cuddling, talking and playing, waiting for time for round 2. She gets up and heads to the can and grabs her purse along the way. Now she's in there a LONG time so I jokingly ask her if she had fallen in. Got the "I'll be out in a minute" reply. Some more time goes by.
Then I remembered what dudes told me about what was going on with the BP girls when they were in the can that long. In fact, had a couple of other girls tell me if a girl is in the can for more than 5-minutes, it ain't good.
So I creep over to the door and very quietly open it a crack. I can see the sink and the water is running but she isn't standing at the sink. Open the door a bit more and see her crouched on the floor with her back to me. I peer over her shoulder and can see a syringe in her one hand aimed at her other hand. I quietly backed out.
Man I was shocked, who would have thought this of a girl like that? Later, in the after glow of Rnd 2 I asked her is she was diabetic? (no) Asked if she liked to party and got the standard 'weed' reply. Asked about hard drugs and that was denied. Maybe an innocent reason, maybe not?
Anybody else run into this?
. I peer over her shoulder and can see a syringe in her one hand aimed at her other hand. I quietly backed out.
Man I was shocked, who would have thought this of a girl like that? Later, in the after glow of Rnd 2 I asked her is she was diabetic? (no) Asked if she liked to party and got the standard 'weed' reply. Asked about hard drugs and that was denied. Maybe an innocent reason, maybe not?
Anybody else run into this?Nope -but there is nothing legit about it. No therapeutic Meds go in the wrist veins- at least outside of a hospital. She is doing Heroin. She is an HIV risk for you. Hope you are using condoms. Confront her and ask how you can help her. She's an addict and you can not fix it unless she goes to rehab. She is probably Sugaring (escorting) to pay for her habit.
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