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People say oh you must look like Brad Pitt. Actually more like the character Munch on Law and Order SVU. Oh you must have a luxurious home. More like a small bachelor pad, but it is in the hollywood hills. Oh you must have an awesome ride. Yeah it is if you like classic 10 year old bmw's. You must dress for success. I have worn jeans and t-shirts my entire life unless I am at work in which case I am wearing pajamas or running shorts.
Its way more about honesty and being a little self deprecating. I don't brag or boast and avoid any topic or pics relating to how big my penis is (although I have no trouble talking about how I want it pleasured). LOL. We may want girls that are newbies to the game, but they want the opposite (unless they are gold diggers). So fake it till you make it.
I have read a lot on this thread about negotiating and how to do this undercover but very little of the mindset or vibe needed to succeed. So just be yourself. I mean what else can you really do? And if yourself is an overweight geek with bad table manners or you are just an asshole. Then by all means start shopping at neimans and buy a new mercedes. And take girls to expensive dinners, overpriced spas and 5 star hotels. Unless you just love treating yourself because you can afford it. And when I can I will.Right on HWG. The only things I would add are tell the truth. If you make up shit you will get caught eventually. If you tell the truth you don't need to have such a good memory. The other thing is be confident. Most Pots will see a lack of confidence in no time. And never let them think you are desperate.
You don't have to have Brad Pitt looks or Donald Trump money. But you do need to develop a little game which includes making them feel comfortable with you. For me, that has always been key. They meet so many assholes that if you are not an asshole, your chances of a trip to the FC increases dramatically.
You must be irresistible in your profile! Plus you are on the left coast things must be different there than in the South East.I can confirm that results can vary hugely with changes in geographical region. Sometimes two cities that are only a couple of hours away will produce noticeable patterns in type of girls or their behavior that are very different.
This is why I don't think there is any particular formula for success that can really be written down or described.
HWG is onto something when he says just be yourself -- that will produce the most consistent results. Some might say "but my results are consistently bad compared to what I want them to be", but the consistency is still important, because without it you can't improve. Practice makes perfect.
In my particular case, I can't be totally honest because I don't like to talk about my "real-life" relationship with SBs. So, I lie about it. It throws my game off a little bit to be something I'm not, because I developed my game in the civy-dating world, where being myself was critical to success. I don't like being covert or shady about anything, but sometimes it's a necessity. Luckily, the sausage still gets hidden anyway, because the extent of the scam is relatively small on the big scale of things. I don't directly lie to the girls that they have some future with me, but I never mention that it's not even possible. But it doesn't have to be like that. I still don't recommend giving away your real name if you have a marriage or professional life to hold onto, though. You never know when you'll run into a vindictive stalker type who will use the information against you.
I was laughing the entire time I was reading that article. That might work in NY but in my area that kind of attitude isn't going to get you very much. It's bad enough that most of the SB have a GPS attitude and this article isn't going to do them any favors. Good luck ladies.The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it. Then they bite for guys like us at $ / pop. I try to make them realize that every $ or $$ adds up over time. It's like the old joke repeated here many times. They all have a price.
Met POT #1 last week and she is a mixed 7/7. 5 with good kissing lips and D Cups on an average body. She says she is ready for the FC this week. We'll see
The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it.It's easy for the author of that article to paint whatever picture she wants, who knows how much of it is really fact versus just an embellished version of her perspective.
But, let's say for a moment everything she said is true. It means the guy is a complete loser who happens to have money. Maybe the type who lucked upon a large inheritance or whatever. The fact that he would even want her to move in with him indicates he has no other options, and is unable to find a girlfriend any other way. Having an SB live with me sounds like an absolute nightmare. Can you imagine having to deal with all their mood swings and basically having most of the disadvantages of a wife or live-in GF, yet still having to give them a ridiculous allowance? I actually feel sorry for the guy. And again, not sure whether to believe her, but she claims he is crying about who ate all the ice cream?
There's not a woman around who respects a man who whines about stuff like that or who has not earned his money. Most decent women would find a guy with moderate income who has some ambition and drive more attractive than a trust-fund-baby who never learned how to earn his own possessions. No wonder he has to pay for company.
PghGuy2005
03-03-15, 19:25
Right on HWG. The only things I would add are tell the truth. If you make up shit you will get caught eventually. If you tell the truth you don't need to have such a good memory. The other thing is be confident. Most Pots will see a lack of confidence in no time. And never let them think you are desperate.
You don't have to have Brad Pitt looks or Donald Trump money. But you do need to develop a little game which includes making them feel comfortable with you. For me, that has always been key. They meet so many assholes that if you are not an asshole, your chances of a trip to the FC increases dramatically.Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.
Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.
IluvSmellyFish
03-03-15, 19:59
If a pot gives you an allowance expectation and you go to the m&g without countering that expectation, then any discussion of an amount that is less than the original figure will be a dissapointment for you and her. For you because you'll be out whatever cost you sunk into the m&g, and since the figure she put out there will be her starting point, she will leave wondering why you agreed to meet her if that wasn't an allowance you were willing to come through with.
Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.
Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.
HollywoodGuy
03-03-15, 23:51
Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.
Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.No, never, waste of time.
HollywoodGuy
03-03-15, 23:52
I decided to do another M&G today as I just have way too many girls on my list and need to start seeing some of them already. So I went to meet this little (as in 5' tall little) 19 year old latina. She showed up in a short regular looking dress and she looked like any one of a thousand girls you see walking home from school everyday in L. A.
Since my last M&G was so hot I figured this one might be a dud. Anyway I picked her up right after we were both done working (about 5 pm) in front of a local fast food place figuring we could just talk in the car and if she was cool maybe fuck her another day.
I started talking and she said she didn't feel well and that she was sorry but she had a bad day and blah, blah, blah. So after about 10 minutes more she said "look, I am just not comfortable and we need to go someplace and not just sit in the car". So I was like, well we can get a starbucks or we could go to my place since I only live 20 minutes away. She said "your place" so off we went and I knew it was on.
We walked in the door and made it to the bedroom in about 3 minutes. I would say her panties hit the floor immediately (except she wasnt wearing any). After a full 2 minutes of foreplay I was inside her banging away. She really wasnt all that but she was a good kisser and just a true girl next door type. After what seemed like 30 minutes she started saying her pussy was getting a little sore. I didn't really want to hear that, but being the gentleman I am, I said OK. I then told her how I wanted to finish and a few minutes later it was over. I looked at the clock and it had actually been an hour. Kissing always makes me lose track of time.
I doubt I will ever see her again but at least she is off my list.
I would say she was a 7/6/8/7. Pleasant but not worth repeating. Her pic made her look more petite than she was. Like a lot of latin girls she had cute legs and a bit of a tummy. A bit too much. But for a $ and just off the cuff, so what.
On to the next one.
HollywoodGuy
03-04-15, 02:39
My x that I was with for over a year and now broken up with for 7 months just posted her new ad today. I guess she is finally ready to move onward and upward. I say god bless that perfect body of hers. If her skills ever reach her looks I'll marry her.
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/sugar-babies/ca/northridge/Playbaby22
HoyaSvnFgr
03-04-15, 09:56
Tough night brother. Do you play poker? If so, then you already know a few things:
1. Don't let the lows get you too low, and don't let the highs get you too high. 2. Play the antes and let the game come to you. In other words, its best to wait for the right cards before making your play. Don't book the hotel or set up an expensive date until you've got a pot that has committed to the FC. 3. The longer you play the game and sit at the table, the better you will become at the game. And if you're careful with your blinds, the worst you'll lose is nominal funds but mainly your time. Although depending on your career and personal life, time may ne more precious than money.
Too bad the bowl doesn't come with a comp card for time spent as a player. A free buffet every now and then would be a nice touch.
As for the 10/10 pot that stood you up, no worries. The funds you lost on one hotel is a small price to pay for the lesson you learned. Just don't repeat the same mistake. Besides, within three weeks there will be four new 10/10 pots to replace her. Besides, if you pulled out as much money from the atm as you said you did, them you should have enough allowance for all four of them - assuming of course your playground is in dc - which I am assuming based on your screen name.
Based on my experience in that area, the allowance you would've given that pot for one date would've made four babies quite happy for the entire month...What a turn around. The hotel wasn't a total waste. I had two M&Gs and both ended up with BBBJCIF. Those girls were probably 6/10. I tried to call some hotter girls that I had M&Gs with previously and even 2nd dates. I soon realized these 8+ girls were actually UTR. I explained being in an hotel and they were quoting prices for an overnight. I mentioned my $$ and they were like "you can get a massage for that". LMAO. After checking out of the hotel I was prepared to cut my losses and move on.
End of the weekend, I get the call from the 10/10. We meet up for coffee and ended up negotiating terms. I brought it up and explained we needed to get it behind us. I closed on my first SB. The FC was excellent as expected. She's 10/10/10 or should I say "my" ideal 10/10/10. I like a tall slim girl (she's 5'9") with a moderate boob size, moderate ass. She's very well-proportioned.
I'm done with the random M&Gs for now. I sort of needed to narrow it down to one SB, due to my workload and maintaining focus. This agreement works for now. I see myself going back into the Bowl after a few months, but now I have a bit more knowledge on the rules of the game. The biggest thing I'm noticing is confidence. Even sex with these girls requires an upfront demeanor. The Bowl has emphasized confidence and never hesitating on a decision. The hotter girls enjoy this most of all.
HollywoodGuy
03-04-15, 19:32
What a turn around. The hotel wasn't a total waste. I had two M&Gs and both ended up with BBBJCIF. Those girls were probably 6/10. I tried to call some hotter girls that I had M&Gs with previously and even 2nd dates. I soon realized these 8+ girls were actually UTR. I explained being in an hotel and they were quoting prices for an overnight. I mentioned my $$ and they were like "you can get a massage for that". LMAO. After checking out of the hotel I was prepared to cut my losses and move on.
End of the weekend, I get the call from the 10/10. We meet up for coffee and ended up negotiating terms. I brought it up and explained we needed to get it behind us. I closed on my first SB. The FC was excellent as expected. She's 10/10/10 or should I say "my" ideal 10/10/10. I like a tall slim girl (she's 5'9") with a moderate boob size, moderate ass. She's very well-proportioned.
I'm done with the random M&Gs for now. I sort of needed to narrow it down to one SB, due to my workload and maintaining focus. This agreement works for now. I see myself going back into the Bowl after a few months, but now I have a bit more knowledge on the rules of the game. The biggest thing I'm noticing is confidence. Even sex with these girls requires an upfront demeanor. The Bowl has emphasized confidence and never hesitating on a decision. The hotter girls enjoy this most of all.So what was the agreed upon amount for the dime girl? And everyone has their own version of a ten. I,m tall but gravitate towards the shorter ones.
Last December I had a m&g with a 20 why / o co-ed, petite little thing, blonde hair, blue eyes, all of 100 lbs. I used HWG's introduction letter, with a few minor changes, and got her to the m&g. We did not discuss sugar until then. She was a very sweet young lady but had that GPS thing going on. I had offered her 150 if she would host at her place. Of course, she turned me down saying she has had much better offers than that. Being the gentleman that I am, I wished her well and told her that if things change and she would like to reconsider, unless I have found my SB I would gladly move forward with what I offered. Fast forward to yesterday afternoon. I get an e-mail from her asking if I have found my SB yet. I tell her that I had found one but she is not working out as I had hoped. If she would like to meet and talk about how she can replace her I am more than willing to listen to what she has to offer. Several hours go by and I figure she was either insulted or not interested in being the "on deck" girl. Then last night I get an answer from her that she is interested and would I like to meet for lunch. Well now, I am game. We meet for lunch and have some very casual conversation. I then ask why the change of heart. She tells me that she didn't really have all the offers she first told me she had. The two that she did have turned out to be guys looking for one time meets as they went silent on her after the first date. Now the red flag goes up. This girl is an 8/9/ At this point. Now I'm thinking maybe she's awful in the FC. We talk some more and she says she is looking for someone to see on a regular basis and knows that less is actually more. I told her that sometimes we have to learn certain things the hard way and that I am glad she is sitting with me here now. She leans over, plants a very wet, deep kiss on me, and whispers in my ear " Thank you for understanding Daddy. Shall we go to my place so I can show Daddy how much I appreciate it?
OMFG, I got hard right then and there. I pay the bill and off we go. I'm thinking that I just need to find out why these other guys never made a second date. We get to her place and the fun begins. Sparing all the details, it turns out her head game was fair at best. But, the good news is she is eager to learn and by the time I left (3 hours later) she was doing much better. So I'm thinking between that and the girl is into being submissive, these other guys were not going to teach her for what they were paying. Here is the best part. When I went to give her the sugar for today, she said "Today was a sample for Daddy. We an start with the financial part next time. ".
I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.
ThisSoundsFun
03-05-15, 00:01
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MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.
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Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.HWG, can you please explain what message 2 entails and give a example / s of message 5?
Thanks.
I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.Congrats on the win. I think the main takeaway from your scenario is that you didn't spend the last few months throwing money / time at her to get to the FC and you walked away after the intial m&g on good terms leaving the door open for another round.
Of course not everyone will be so lucky all the time, but it seems like you did things right when she turned down your offer. She just had to learn that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Hope it continues well.
HollywoodGuy
03-05-15, 02:25
HWG, can you please explain what message 2 entails and give a example / s of message 5?
Thanks.PRTFF. Thanks.
Blackmail / extortion.
Anyone here have experience they care to share?
Dealing with it, and not well.
HoyaSvnFgr
03-05-15, 06:41
So what was the agreed upon amount for the dime girl? And everyone has their own version of a ten. I,m tall but gravitate towards the shorter ones.After meeting up with her after a long weekend and blowing my fun money I only had $$$ to get the conversation going. I slipped the cash to her while having drinks at a bar. We had the discussion after FC, which may have helped. Her expectation was up to $5 K. Settled on $1. 6 K min. A month and continuing great dates. Working towards the monthly has been in the form of gifts mostly. She wanted a spa treatment, a parking decal, etc. We never mentioned a certain number of days per month. She's introduced me to a couple of her girlfriends and we're starting to meet regularly. A couple times for coffee and conversation. FC is setup for this weekend.
I'm even pretty impressed with myself in this situation. I banged her so thoroughly, she should be paying me. She mentioned that all the gifts and the great sex was like hitting the lottery.
Question, what would be the advantage or reason for a young lady to push to take the conversation to Kik or Skype? I get a copy / paste response from a young lady from one of the baby sites, busted her out on it, got a real response back but the entire time she is pushing for Kik and Skype over texting, phone call or email. Scam? Thanks!
Blackmail / extortion.
Anyone here have experience they care to share?
Dealing with it, and not well.It might be helpful if you gave us more info on how she is trying to blackmail you.
Blackmail / extortion.
Anyone here have experience they care to share?
Dealing with it, and not well.Been blackmailed 2 times. One was an Escort and one SB. The problem is only if they know who you are IRL. They threaten to make your activities public. Paid both off basically the value of a visit with them. Told them I would call the police if they came back to the well again, and they did not.
How do you avoid it?
1) keep anonymous is the best but hard to do in a longer term relationship.
2) stay away from Nando 1's Desperately poor girls have nothing to lose and much to gain.
3) end arrangements well. Do not blow them up and piss them off.
IluvSmellyFish
03-05-15, 11:51
One of the main reasons not to give out real life information. Even my regular babies don't have my real life personal information. I use a throwaway e-mail account and a trac phone for all communications. I know a lot of brothers don't use hotels because of the added expense, but this is also one of the reasons why I'll never bring a baby back to my personal residence. For single SDs in the bowl, not that big of a deal (unless the girl is threatening to claim that you physically assaulted her and will go to the police her if you don't pay her out. At which point if you brought her back home then it won't matter if you gave her a fake name and number since she knows where you live) but for SDs with SOs its a whole different ball of wax.
Sorry to hear about your situation. I'm assuming that the blackmail / extortion scam relates to threats to expose your activities to your SO, report you for what she is now claiming to be unwanted physical contact to authorities, and / or show up at your place of work to make a scene and damage your career.
A few things to consider:
1. If you keep paying her out what she wants, when she demands it, then you give her no incentive to stop.
2. If you don't have a written trail helping to document your side of the story (I. E. This woman is extorting me for money) then you put yourself at greater risk if she is threatening you by claiming you physically assaulted her and will go to the police. If she goes through with the threat, your life will suck no matter what, but if you have a written trail proving that she was threatening / extorting you, you increase your chances of nipping things in the bud and proving your side of the story. Rather than turning it into a "he said, she said. ".
3. A person has to have a lot of nerve to follow through with a threat and its all about who has more to lose. If you can convince her that you no longer have anything to lose (e. G. You're going to divorce your wife anyway, your switching jobs, you have a written trail exposing her extortion and so the authorities won't believe her claims), then you might be able to shift the balance of power. Prepare yourself as best you can, and then call her bluff.
At the end of the day though, if you don't do anything to stop the behavior, then you're going to have to be prepared to be her personal ATM until she move on (which isn't likely if you're her personal ATM) or until you decide to put an end to her behavior and call her bluff. The longer you wait, the more money you will end up paying out.
Just my two cents. If you share more details (by posting or via PM), I'm happy to provide more thoughts if you're interested.
Blackmail / extortion.
Anyone here have experience they care to share?
Dealing with it, and not well.
IluvSmellyFish
03-05-15, 12:35
I can't speak for SD4 me, but my understanding is that SA lets babies with pictures message for free, but limits the number of messages they can send. The rules on SA are different for SDs and SBs, and are set up to maximize the number of SBs who will post pics, while trying to get everyone to pay for premium memberships. I noticed that even the price structure is different. Pricing for SB premium membership is about 1/2 or 1/3 of what a SD has to pay.
If a young lady doesn't want to pay for a premium membership that will allow unlimited messaging, and is trying to use one of these sites to increase volume of daddies or to avoid posting an ad on BP, moving to kik lets her message for free after making contact through the site.
A Skype session lets a SB or SD confirm that the other party is as pictured. Like us, many of these SBs show up to a date and find that the guys pictures are 10 years old and 50 lbs ago. Not as big of a deal for a SB since they are there for the financial sugar, but some SBs are picky. It also give them the chance to "vet" the guy to make sure he isn't a pyscho or crazy. Not that I believe you could figure that information out during a Skype session, but I suspect it helps some girls who are too scared to meet in person at first.
Also, there are some SBs that will try to convince you to have and "online" Skype relationship akin to paying for a camgirl session. I guess there are enough guys out there who are willing to paypal a girls account to see her strip and play with herself that some girls push the Skype "relationship" thing.
Question, what would be the advantage or reason for a young lady to push to take the conversation to Kik or Skype? I get a copy / paste response from a young lady from one of the baby sites, busted her out on it, got a real response back but the entire time she is pushing for Kik and Skype over texting, phone call or email. Scam? Thanks!
Smelly, I think you are on to something regarding the last point. The site is what's your price, not sure of their rules however she does have email access so I don't think its related to her cost nor did she seem overly concerned about security or safety. The canned response raised the flag to me, your idea about trying to start a Skype for pay thing seems very likely. I'll see where it goes, maybe get a free show before I dump her ass! Glad I got my regulars, damn glad!
I can't speak for SD4 me, but my understanding is that SA lets babies with pictures message for free, but limits the number of messages they can send. The rules on SA are different for SDs and SBs, and are set up to maximize the number of SBs who will post pics, while trying to get everyone to pay for premium memberships. I noticed that even the price structure is different. Pricing for SB premium membership is about 1/2 or 1/3 of what a SD has to pay.
If a young lady doesn't want to pay for a premium membership that will allow unlimited messaging, and is trying to use one of these sites to increase volume of daddies or to avoid posting an ad on BP, moving to kik lets her message for free after making contact through the site.
A Skype session lets a SB or SD confirm that the other party is as pictured. Like us, many of these SBs show up to a date and find that the guys pictures are 10 years old and 50 lbs ago. Not as big of a deal for a SB since they are there for the financial sugar, but some SBs are picky. It also give them the chance to "vet" the guy to make sure he isn't a pyscho or crazy. Not that I believe you could figure that information out during a Skype session, but I suspect it helps some girls who are too scared to meet in person at first.
Also, there are some SBs that will try to convince you to have and "online" Skype relationship akin to paying for a camgirl session. I guess there are enough guys out there who are willing to paypal a girls account to see her strip and play with herself that some girls push the Skype "relationship" thing.
HollywoodGuy
03-05-15, 13:12
After meeting up with her after a long weekend and blowing my fun money I only had $$$ to get the conversation going. I slipped the cash to her while having drinks at a bar. We had the discussion after FC, which may have helped. Her expectation was up to $5 K. Settled on $1. 6 K min. A month and continuing great dates. Working towards the monthly has been in the form of gifts mostly. She wanted a spa treatment, a parking decal, etc. We never mentioned a certain number of days per month. She's introduced me to a couple of her girlfriends and we're starting to meet regularly. A couple times for coffee and conversation. FC is setup for this weekend.
I'm even pretty impressed with myself in this situation. I banged her so thoroughly, she should be paying me. She mentioned that all the gifts and the great sex was like hitting the lottery.Hopefully the 1. 6 k a month covers at least 1 overnight visit a week.
IluvSmellyFish
03-05-15, 13:34
You could probably report the individual to the site and ask that her profile be suspended. That being said, she could just as easily set up another profile. Depending on how everything happened, you could report her to the police. Of course, if you gave her your money voluntarily and then left because of the very awkward situation created when her friends came in yelling and screaming, the cops will probably tell you that you're wasting your time. If her friends came in with a weapon and threatened you for your money, that's a different situation entirely and probably should be reported to the cops (unless you have an SO and don't want to have to explain why you have to go to court to testify against some young girl who scammed you).
As a general rule, I don't provide the allowance until after the date has ended. Also, unlike Backpage scams, there are no laws that I'm aware of that criminalize being a SD. If you find yourself in an awkward situation like that again, you can always pull out your cellphone, dial 911, and hit the speaker phone. Remember, you're a SD, not a "john".
Posting her pics here on this forum is helpful since it will prevent any forum members / lurkers / readers from contacting her. A good lesson though.
Where's a good place to report scammer rom SeekingArrangement.com?
She runs a typical scam. It happened to me, avoid:
She lures you into her place with promises of sex, takes your money, as you are taking clothes of, her friends knock on the dor and come in, yelling and scremaing.
You get the point.
Sweet girl, sweet body, total scam.
Avoid.
See her pictures below.
Where's a good place to report scammer rom SeekingArrangement.com?
She runs a typical scam. It happened to me, avoid:
She lures you into her place with promises of sex, takes your money, as you are taking clothes of, her friends knock on the dor and come in, yelling and scremaing.
You get the point.
Sweet girl, sweet body, total scam.
Avoid.
See her pictures below.No offense man but did you really think this was a sugar baby with a tagline like "if you want it come get it"?
I know there are escorts that use SB sites as alternative marketing, but if there was ever anything of value to be gained from this gigantic monolithic thread full of nothingness, it should be that it taught one or two people to understand the difference between an escort and an SB. And yes, if you patronize escorts, eventually you'll get scammed. Real SBs might be gold diggers, they might be GPS, they might be bitches, sometimes they are downright nuts, extortion and blackmail is even possible just as it is with dating any crazy girl -- but in general you don't have to worry about the lower echelon of hooker robberies like this type of scam.
However, if people continue to use the SD / SB scene as a front for escorting, it's only a matter of time before regulation finds a way to shut down the activity and put the websites out of business. It's no different than revoking the liquor license of bars and nightclubs because of evidence of recurring illegal activity -- serving beer isn't illegal, but if residents complain or if cops keep getting called, it won't matter in the end, it will be bye-bye fun times.
When I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be a legitimate attempt to educate the masses on the difference between SBs and escorts.
Yet somehow I get the feeling that zero progress has been made.
Just for the record, no legitimate SB would ever invite you to her place for the first meeting. If she does that, she is a hardened pro.
As a general rule, I don't provide the allowance until after the date has ended. Also, unlike Backpage scams, there are no laws that I'm aware of that criminalize being a SD. If you find yourself in an awkward situation like that again, you can always pull out your cellphone, dial 911, and hit the speaker phone. Remember, you're a SD, not a "john".
The problem is that once someone has exchanged an e-mail agreeing to an amount of money for the FC, in the eyes of most courts they are now a john. There have been some cases posted here to USASG in the past where the SD was arrested simply because the girl told the cops that money was exchanged for intimacy. The court may have problem getting an actual conviction depending on how much someone is willing to spend on a lawyer, but by that time the SD's mugshot is the first thing to come up in a Google search on his name, in perpetuity, affecting his career / family etc.
This is one of the reasons I never talk money with girls. Bang-them, then gift them the way I see fit. No discussion of money ever takes place.
IluvSmellyFish
03-05-15, 15:17
JL. I agree that your approach of not ever discussing allowance is probably a best practice. Of course, as you yourself noted in a prior post, not setting expectations can lead to having a pissed off SB who is upset at the gift you provided if she thinks it is too low. As FredMoore noted, making sure a SB relationship ends well helps to avoid situations that involve Blackmail / Extortion. Of course if you're good at reading people, and have a pretty good sense of whether a SB will think a gift is too low, or have the ability to avoid girls who will do something crazy if she doesn't like the gift you gave her, then as an SD one wouldn't ever have a need to ever discuss expectations. You are probably experienced enough in life and the bowl to able to cull pots before trips to the FC and wouldn't ever put yourself in such a situation, but there are others, who are newer to the bowl, who lack that ability. For them, a trip to the FC might not ever happen without discussion of expectations at some point.
I also agree that involving the cops in any situation can ruin family life, career, etc. Which is why I caveated my recommendation to the OP on the thread we're discussing by pointing out that someone with an SO might not want to deal with the repercussions of involving the law. That being said, my recommendation for involving the law was meant to be caveated generally for if and when physical violence was involved. Your response to my post appears to only have included half of my recommendation. The other relevant portion of my response to the OP is in quotes below.
"Depending on how everything happened, you could report her to the police. Of course, if you gave her your money voluntarily and then left because of the very awkward situation created when her friends came in yelling and screaming, the cops will probably tell you that you're wasting your time. If her friends came in with a weapon and threatened you for your money, that's a different situation entirely and probably should be reported to the cops (unless you have an SO and don't want to have to explain why you have to go to court to testify against some young girl who scammed you). ".
IMHO, if a guy who is new to the Sugar Scene is threatened with physical violence for their money by a SB scammer, that individual should be going to the police, unless it has the potential to destroy their life (e. G. Their relationship with their SO / destroy their career, etc.). If he doesn't go to the police, then scammers who are threatening people with physical violence remain in the bowl, have no incentive to take their act elsewhere, will continue to scam others, and might actually end up hurting someone (which will definitely draw attention to the sugar scene).
On the other hand, if the guy just got taken for a ride (I. E. No violence or threat of violence involved), then tough luck, lesson learned, and no need to go to the cops since they'll probably tell him that no crime was committed and that he shouldn't be going to the houses of strangers with money in hand and expectations of intimacy.
Just my two cents.
The problem is that once someone has exchanged an e-mail agreeing to an amount of money for the FC, in the eyes of most courts they are now a john. There have been some cases posted here to USASG in the past where the SD was arrested simply because the girl told the cops that money was exchanged for intimacy. The court may have problem getting an actual conviction depending on how much someone is willing to spend on a lawyer, but by that time the SD's mugshot is the first thing to come up in a Google search on his name, in perpetuity, affecting his career / family etc.
This is one of the reasons I never talk money with girls. Bang-them, then gift them the way I see fit. No discussion of money ever takes place.
JeezLizard and others.
Please don't jump to conclusions with limited details here.
I saw her before, at that same apartment, with a friend of hers, nothing sexual. This was not the first meet.
No offense man but did you really think this was a sugar baby with a tagline like "if you want it come get it"? ... Just for the record, no legitimate SB would ever invite you to her place for the first meeting. If she does that, she is a hardened pro.
JL. I agree that your approach of not ever discussing allowance is probably a best practice. Of course, as you yourself noted in a prior post, not setting expectations can lead to having a pissed off SB who is upset at the gift you provided if she thinks it is too low. Would you mind to cite the post you're referring to? If I conveyed it that way, I must have done a careless job of communicating my thoughts, or simply been thinking in another context. What I may have been trying to say is that *if* you enter into some sort of agreement with a girl, then the expectations on both ends should be well understood. By that I mean if you've been to the FC with someone a few times, but you want her to be exclusive arm candy, not see other SDs, move in or whatever and are offering a specific allowance for that, then yes I do believe it is important for both sides to know what they are getting into.
But I have never advocated agreement to pay for the first FC visit or a per-fuck amount. That aspect of my position has never changed. I also have never tried to tell someone else to change the methods that work for them in their particular geographic market, I only offer advice based on how I do it. I've mentioned sometimes I have to cut them loose before I ever meet them because they want to talk money, but it's not like women are in short supply, so it's worth it to focus on quality versus quantity and just move on to someone else who doesn't demand a money agreement before trying each other out in the FC.
I look at it like this: I want SBs who genuinely like sex. The last thing I want is to pay someone to ACT like they are enjoying fucking me when they really aren't. So, if they really do want to fuck me, I shouldn't have to wave a handful of cash, travelers checks, booksfull of S&H Greenstamps or whatever just to get them to drop their panties -- that's an act of desperation. Sure, there will be some girls that demand that, there's a name for them -- escorts (and there is a time and place for escorts I just don't think SD dating is either). There is an entire additional category of women who are attracted to successful men, would like the financial security of dating one, but also genuinely enjoy fucking them. The approach I recommend tends to attract that type and scare off all the rest.
As FredMoore noted, making sure a SB relationship ends well helps to avoid situations that involve Blackmail / Extortion.
I am all for anything that prevents the blackmail or extortion, but to me, the first step in minimizing that sort of thing is to avoid contact with folks who are already involving themselves in illegal activity in the first place. Any SB (or female) for that matter is capable of turning on us, but an escort is more likely to have other issues (lack of stability, drug problems, perhaps even existing criminal record etc.) that makes them more likely candidates for trouble.
I agree that we should exercise good social skills and judgment at all times to minimize trouble, regardless of the situation. I just think that folks need to be very careful before involving the police at all. Try to get out of the situation before it gets to that point. There was a story on here a while back about a guy that had been seeing these two girls regularly for many months. One day almost out of no where they get pissed of at him while riding in his car, and pull a knife and threaten him with it. So he bolts, abandoning his car, and calls the cops. They tell the cops he has been giving them "allowance" to meet him and all three of them go to jail, his mug on the news. You would think he would know them well enough after a few months of regular fucking to either avoid or defuse a situation like that, but you can never be sure with women. They are all just one PMS episode away from doing something unimaginable. So, in order to prepare for that day, we should be sure we didn't leave a paper trail of any illegal behaviors.
I also want to say that in terms of pros, I'm no angel. One thing I like to do is hit up strippers for takeout. Those that will are pros by definition. I'm not looking down on those who do hire escorts in anyway, there is a time and place for them. I'm just saying that once an SD visits a girl regularly, there is an increased chance of something to go wrong and into the direction of blackmail/extortion. It's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan with nothing like emails or texts proving you offered money for sex.
IluvSmellyFish
03-05-15, 18:29
Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).
Like FredMoore, I personally prefer discussing the arrangement before hand for a variety of reasons. I also prefer talking about it in person, face to face, for a variety of reasons, including not having a paper trail. Mostly I don't want, as FredMoore so aptly put it, a hot girl hunting me down because of differences in expectations.
IMHO, everything is situational. So hypothetically speaking, if a girl was extorting me for money by threatening me with physical assault charges, and seemed like she was crazy enough to go to the police, I would probably try to get a paper trail ASAP. Since I personally would rather deal with fighting a solicitation charge than a physical assault charge. Hypothetically if I was being held up after walking into a sbs house, I would probably call the cops since I'd rather be in jail than dead. If I got taken for my money (which has happened) I would do (and have done) what the OP did. Which is post info on this website to warn others.
While being arrested has the potential to damage ones life, a good lawyer should be able to keep you out of jail (depending on how careful one is). So while I tend to view things sitiationally, my general rule of thumb is that if physical harm to you or someone else is in imminent danger of physical harm, the police should probably be involved.
JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.
HollywoodGuy
03-05-15, 18:47
Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).
Like FredMoore, I personally prefer discussing the arrangement before hand for a variety of reasons. I also prefer talking about it in person, face to face, for a variety of reasons, including not having a paper trail. Mostly I don't want, as FredMoore so aptly put it, a hot girl hunting me down because of differences in expectations.
IMHO, everything is situational. So hypothetically speaking, if a girl was extorting me for money by threatening me with physical assault charges, and seemed like she was crazy enough to go to the police, I would probably try to get a paper trail ASAP. Since I personally would rather deal with fighting a solicitation charge than a physical assault charge. Hypothetically if I was being held up after walking into a sbs house, I would probably call the cops since I'd rather be in jail than dead. If I got taken for my money (which has happened) I would do (and have done) what the OP did. Which is post info on this website to warn others.
While being arrested has the potential to damage ones life, a good lawyer should be able to keep you out of jail (depending on how careful one is). So while I tend to view things sitiationally, my general rule of thumb is that if physical harm to you or someone else is in imminent danger of physical harm, the police should probably be involved.I may have posted this before. There is only one case where LE and the SD sites crossed paths. And it really had nothing to do with either one. It was just one individual that was being targeted and the SD site was used to entrap the person. His case was ultimately thrown out of court. That was over 7 years ago.
Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).NP. I was wondering about that.
I may have posted this before. There is only one case where LE and the SD sites crossed paths. And it really had nothing to do with either one. It was just one individual that was being targeted and the SD site was used to entrap the person. His case was ultimately thrown out of court. That was over 7 years ago.Depends on ones definition of "crossing paths" with regard to LE and SD sites. If you mean LE launching stings from SD sites, I would agree that has not happened much yet. It also did not happen much in the early days of Craigslist, and after LE started using CL regularly it took them a while to start using BP for stings. They will evolve their methods toward SD sites eventually if they appear too high on the radar.
Someone else will need to invest the time to fish out actual links for these, but I have heard of at least five cases in the last year that somehow intertwined LE and SD sites in ways that were not good for the SD (none of them were sting related).
One was the notorious Google exec case, one was the attempted robbery with knife case I mentioned earlier, one was a cop whose case was outlined in detail in the Ohio SB forum here on USASG (he was arrested when they found he was paying an SB he met on SA), and there have been two more cases described on the Dr Phil show since this time last year (I don't watch it but my GF does, so I take notice whenever they talk about sugarbabies).
Those are only the ones I aware of in the last 12 months where it would be disadvantageous for an SD to be caught texting or e-mailing an SB soliciting sex for money.
HollywoodGuy
03-05-15, 22:16
Depends on ones definition of "crossing paths" with regard to LE and SD sites. If you mean LE launching stings from SD sites, I would agree that has not happened much yet. It also did not happen much in the early days of Craigslist, and after LE started using CL regularly it took them a while to start using BP for stings. They will evolve their methods toward SD sites eventually if they appear too high on the radar.
Someone else will need to invest the time to fish out actual links for these, but I have heard of at least five cases in the last year that somehow intertwined LE and SD sites in ways that were not good for the SD (none of them were sting related).
One was the notorious Google exec case, one was the attempted robbery with knife case I mentioned earlier, one was a cop whose case was outlined in detail in the Ohio SB forum here on USASG (he was arrested when they found he was paying an SB he met on SA), and there have been two more cases described on the Dr Phil show since this time last year (I don't watch it but my GF does, so I take notice whenever they talk about sugarbabies).
Those are only the ones I aware of in the last 12 months where it would be disadvantageous for an SD to be caught texting or e-mailing an SB soliciting sex for money.Yeah. A sting. Girls jacking you is a risk no matter how you meet them (especially at the alter). And CL is the bottom of the barrel. But most stings there are towards the girls. In L. A. They are always looking for girls too young to be there. But I always check ID when suspicious.
Thanks for the discussion thus far.
My little friend has extensive knowledge of this SB, and she of him.
Threats are not physical.
Money vs exposure to job / family / neighbors.
Money amounts escalate.
HollywoodGuy
03-06-15, 03:30
Good Evening hwg, I appreciate all of your honesty, and that's something I've realized is very important for these type of arrangements to work out. I'm a naughty princess who is willing to become all yours, I've never had an arrangement with anyone off the site or have I've met any one in person yet. Just the other day, I was going to just give up with my search. I'm glad I've came across your email. I look foward to meeting you soon, I would perfer coffee first of course to see if there is chemistry. If you are still interested; just let me know the following days and times your available.
She is so ready. Sugar dating is cutting edge. New rules made everyday. and always a new girl just around the corner.
Soliciting would be easy to set up. A hot agent provocateur could set up M&Gs with a bunch of Pots and get them to offer $ for sex. Bang! Soliciting. Scary thought. Always leave S-E-X out of the discussion. IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway. Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp!
IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway. This is the real issue. The amount of reasonable doubt created by any angle of an SD / SB arrangement is way too much for any court to handle, but it doesn't matter. The arrest is all it would take to do the same amount of damage to the life of the SD.
There is a TV show called "Web of Lies" about Internet scams and such that end up in tragedy. A recent episode was about a married professor in Texas, who actually had his wife's permission to pursue internet sex on the side. He had been honest with her about it from the start, and for whatever reason she accepted it as something she could live with. He eventually got involved in cybersex with an 18 year old tranny that was headed toward a M&G, who later revealed themselves to be a minor (after he was already in too deep). Next thing you know, the kids father is calling him staying stay away from my kid. Next, he starts calling saying if the professor doesn't fork over thousands to get the kid therapy, he is going to go public with it all, including informing the university, LE, social media, etc. The professors wife refused to let him pay off his blackmailer. Long story short, it was a guy in his 40's scamming the professor all along, with blackmail planned from the start. But, because the wife wouldn't allow the fund transfer, the blackmailer made good on his promise and posted a lot of details about the encounters on websites, to damage the professors career. Professor sends him a text that says "I'm killing myself now. I'm dead, but you're going to jail for blackmail", then the professor jumped off a parking lot deck killing himself.
Moral of the story I guess is that blackmail is no fun? LOL. Well that, and the fact that career damage is a very real threat to probably 99% of the SDs out there. Anything we do to put that in jeopardy is probably not a good idea.
Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp!I agree that SD sites are not low-hanging fruit for LE stings. There are easier ways for them to score.
Sting operations are not my primary concern. I've been discussing any LE related act that could threaten to shut down SD sites. All it will take is for the feds to decide they want to make this their agenda, and issue a single raid against a single prominent SD site owner, obtaining all the interactions that take place through the site (including the IP addresses linking each of the customers, for which they could then subpoena additional records if needed). Most likely what would happen is the only charges pressed would be against the website owner only. That would send a ripple effect through the industry that could result in changes that would make finding SBs a thousand times more difficult. All they need to do is charge one SD site with some sort of trumped up charge that involves being the facilitator of illegal activity, and the opportunities for SugarDaddying as we know it and discuss it on this thread would be finished -- literally overnight.
This is why I think it's important for us to always stay within the law, do not get complacent about what LE may or may not do, and discourage others from wandering carelessly into the hobby and doing things that draw unwanted legal attention.
PghGuy2005
03-06-15, 18:02
Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!
Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?
I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.
PghGuy2005
03-06-15, 18:21
All this talk of Uncle LEO and SD / SB has gotten me worried especially after M&G+FC with the most recent SA babe. No I did not really score she happened to be a short, thick babe within my budget of $ to $. 5.
She texted things like "looking to forward to f* you tomorrow" and when I asked her during FC if she liked to talk dirty she looked nonplussed I then reminded her of the text and she mumbled something. While texting directions to her I received "What are you expectations as far as sex. . positions. . And acts?" "Just trying to go Ahead and prepare myself mentally".
So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.
HollywoodGuy
03-06-15, 19:06
So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law.Its kinda like instructions on how to stay sober. Just don't take the first drink.
So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl. My advice would be to only gift the girl after banging her. Be realistic with your gift amount, based on how good she is, how much you want to see her again, how much time you spent with her, etc. (I. E. Don't take advantage of it by short-changing her just because you got the nookie up front).
Only discuss money or ongoing fixed allowances with someone you've already banged at least once, and never do it in text or e-mail (in person or phone). Never specify or even allude to exchange of money for sex, even after you know her.
Avoid giving her your real name, or other identifiable info. If you get in a tricky situation, try to defuse and exit the situation ASAP without involving the law.
Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!
Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?There can be soreness with heavy usage of any parts.
If the bleeding is because the foreskin is "pulling" the skin away during sex, then circumcision can help. Of course see a doctor for that and not us internet doctors.
If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.
ThisSoundsFun
03-06-15, 21:21
PRTFF. Thanks.Sorry, what does that mean in plain English?
HollywoodGuy
03-06-15, 22:01
There can be soreness with heavy usage of any parts.
If the bleeding is because the foreskin is "pulling" the skin away during sex, then circumcision can help. Of course see a doctor for that and not us internet doctors.
If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.Have lube will travel.
IluvSmellyFish
03-06-15, 22:21
The best way to stay within the law is to pick up girls the old fashion way. At a bar. Notwithstanding that, if one plays the game, the possibility of running into LE or a scammers is always going to exist.
The next best way to avoid LE / blackmail / scammers is to avoid any conversation of allowances while convincing a girl to go to the FC with you and gaining the ability to read people like a professional poker player.
Of course the only way to gain these skills is to play in the bowl, put yourself at risk, and learn from experience. When I first started playing poker, I used to ask a friend how he knew when another player was bluffing or when to bluff a newbie, or how he knew when he should lay down a set of kings against trip aces. His response was that the only way to gain those skills was to lose a whole lot of money and spend lots of time playing the game.
Long story short, if you play in the bowl, you will always run the risk of getting scammed, blackmailed or being on the wrong side of LE. If those possibilities are something you can't handle, then its time to exit. Left stage.
For me personally, if my entire life was completely turned upside down by a bad encounter in the bowl. I would pick up what I had left, move to the left coast, and do what I could to turn into a professional SD.
All this talk of Uncle LEO and SD / SB has gotten me worried especially after M&G+FC with the most recent SA babe. No I did not really score she happened to be a short, thick babe within my budget of $ to $. 5.
She texted things like "looking to forward to f* you tomorrow" and when I asked her during FC if she liked to talk dirty she looked nonplussed I then reminded her of the text and she mumbled something. While texting directions to her I received "What are you expectations as far as sex. . positions. . And acts?" "Just trying to go Ahead and prepare myself mentally".
So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.
Of course the only way to gain these skills is to play in the bowl, put yourself at risk, and learn from experience. Reading through the pages and pages filled with others' mistakes and success can definitely speed up the learning curve.
IluvSmellyFish
03-06-15, 22:46
So today was fruitful. I came into the day with the expectation of seeing two sbs today. I had a date set up with a a pot as well and had another pot (wildcard) waiting in the wings.
The SB that had been begging for a date the past month didn't respond this morning when I texted to confirm our date. Luckily the other SB did, and the pot I have been targeting confirmed our lunch date. After getting confirmation from the trusted SB, I booked the hotel and was off to the races.
The lunch date with the pot went better than planned. We ended the date and I felt like a kid in a candy store when this sweet young thing let me kiss and pet her. She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her.
The fact that I was ignored by one SB gives me an excuse to cut her from my rotation. The date with the SB that confirmed was good, but while I was banging her, I had the pot I went on a date with earlier that day, on my mind the whole time. Crazy because this is the SB that is a 7 face 8 ish body but is completely wild in bed. I thought she would last at least eight dates. I was going to try to maximize my room by inviiting my wildcard pot over but she is unavailable. Which is why I write this report in the hotel room.
Right now my plan is to play it cool. I have had m&gs with pots that generated promises of trips to the FC that never materialized. My latina coed gymnist pot is a prime example (she went dark and no peep from her for a while) .
But seriously gents, if things work out with this pot, I am going to be on cloud nine. She is cute, very young and seems eager to please. Wish me luck fellahs.
IluvSmellyFish
03-06-15, 22:49
Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.
To all the newbies. PRTFF.
Reading through the pages and pages filled with others' mistakes and success can definitely speed up the learning curve.
HollywoodGuy
03-06-15, 23:25
So today was fruitful. I came into the day with the expectation of seeing two sbs today. I had a date set up with a a pot as well and had another pot (wildcard) waiting in the wings.
The SB that had been begging for a date the past month didn't respond this morning when I texted to confirm our date. Luckily the other SB did, and the pot I have been targeting confirmed our lunch date. After getting confirmation from the trusted SB, I booked the hotel and was off to the races.
The lunch date with the pot went better than planned. We ended the date and I felt like a kid in a candy store when this sweet young thing let me kiss and pet her. She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her.
The fact that I was ignored by one SB gives me an excuse to cut her from my rotation. The date with the SB that confirmed was good, but while I was banging her, I had the pot I went on a date with earlier that day, on my mind the whole time. Crazy because this is the SB that is a 7 face 8 ish body but is completely wild in bed. I thought she would last at least eight dates. I was going to try to maximize my room by inviiting my wildcard pot over but she is unavailable. Which is why I write this report in the hotel room.
Right now my plan is to play it cool. I have had m&gs with pots that generated promises of trips to the FC that never materialized. My latina coed gymnist pot is a prime example (she went dark and no peep from her for a while) .
But seriously gents, if things work out with this pot, I am going to be on cloud nine. She is cute, very young and seems eager to please. Wish me luck fellahs.Good luck, Just don't put all your sugar in one bowl.
1st got into the bowl on my own a couple of years back. While first fishing, no experience and ran into a pro that got me for $$. At least I can look back now and tell she was a pro, I didn't know that at the time. While I don't like throwing money away, that didn't bother me as much as the feeling of getting burnt. I hate that more than anything, so I started researching. Found this thread and started reading. Started at 1st post, got almost 200 pages in before I ran out of time. No time because lessons learned were paying off. While I'm not on the level with hwg (who is? I'm holding my own with 2 beautiful spinners that I see 1 or 2 times a week each along with one or two more to keep things rolling. Oh yeh, the so, can't forget the so. Fascinating reading, great bunch on here. Hell, I'm even studying psychology now to try to understand these little beauties! Always hungry!
Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.
To all the newbies. PRTFF.
IluvSmellyFish
03-07-15, 00:06
Wiser words could not have been written. I have found that it works the same in civvy dating as well. In my experience women are competitive by nature. Having options only makes them want you more. Unless they don't, at which point, having a fallback never hurts.
In any case, thanks to all the veteran brothers (hwg, JL, FM, and others) who have posted their experiences and adventures on this part of Jackson's site. The memories I have created as a result of the combined wisdom of this forum have been priceless.
Good luck, Just don't put all your sugar in one bowl.
IluvSmellyFish
03-07-15, 00:16
HWG is probably too nice to respond. Prtff is usually written as Rtff. It means "read the effing forum".
It is an acronym that is not uncommon to many forums. I suspect HWG added the "p" to the rtff in an attempt to be gentlemanly and add a "please. ".
Rtff is often used when a newer member asks a question that has been discussed multiple times. More experienced members who have often alreadly answered a question posted by a newer member will often simply reply by writing "RTFF" since it is a PITA to explain something everytime a new member asks a question.
Long story short, if you read the forum, chances are, your question will have already been answered. There is very little that is new under the sun.
Sorry, what does that mean in plain English?
So today was fruitful. That's some good time management. Like HG said, maybe don't quite drop all the SBs so quick.
Even if the POT comes through, the SBs can be flighty and vanish into the thin air without any notice. That doesn't mean you have to maintain a large stable but it's good to have a few fallbacks just in case. You'll have to throw in the steady SB into the rotation from time to time to keep her around.
Ending up empty handed all of a sudden can lead you to act in desperation and maybe throw out your budget or something else foolish. Having a solid base of SBs to build on can let you be pickier and walk away from less than ideal situations.
FotoGuy1970
03-07-15, 07:44
Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.
To all the newbies. PRTFF.Exactly. At 571 pages (and that's just as of this writing), it takes some time to read through this entire thing, but it's well worth it. When I first found this forum and decided I wanted to pursue this SD life, I literally took notes. I would read the forum, come across a nugget of information I liked or felt was valuable, and I would copy and paste that info into a text document. I still have it easily accessible on my PC's desktop. So yes, it is well worth it to do your homework.
" She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her. " Smellyfish.
I second the brothers' advice to ALWAYS keep a backup rotation in play. Every single time I get complacent with one baby she fades away at some point. It's nice to have that one hot one but keep #s 2 and 3 ready. There is a reason every athletic team has a bench (;.
Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.
To all the newbies. PRTFF.I just wanted to say thanks. I was a newbie to SA several months back and certainly my success rates have improved and costs have lowered since reading most of this forum.
I probably benefited most from Hollywood's 3 steps. Having worked some in sales it was easy to script 3 or 4 messages to reel them in and weed out those with GPS. Saves a lot of time and improves success rates substantially.
Many thanks to all.
Well today I met a 22 year old mixed girl I have been trying to meet up for weeks. I am really bitter and jaded with SB as I had three flake out on me in the last week. I liked her pictures so I said what the hell. She was very cute and and we talked for well over an hour and a half. I know it's bad to think this way but you would think most 22 year olds are flaky and only want to party and may not be mature. Well I was pleasantly surprised. She is smart, articulate, mature and cute as hell. We talked about everything under the sun. We made plans to meet up again and didn't talk about sugar. I mention this because sometimes in the bowl you have a great time with someone you connect and there is no sex or money exchanged. These are some of the nice surprised in this hobby.
Long story short, if you read the forum, chances are, your question will have already been answered. There is very little that is new under the sun.The one thing that's different about this particular thread that we all need to keep in mind, that unlike RTFF or its origin which is RTFM, there is not an easy way to search within the thread and achieve easily navigable results. In order to find something that's more than a few days old in this thread, a person needs to click page after page, reading every single post.
The intelligent solution to all this would be an FAQ, or a dedicated SD forum or organized forum section with a series of threads which can be navigated and search easily, bringing some level of reasonable opportunity for newcomers to research things on their own. Currently, this does not exist.
So asking someone to read the entire thread to find a particular piece of information is kind of like sending them into a 10,000 square foot warehouse full of rolls of printer paper, where everything they need to know about a topic is typed and put away ("but don't worry, those thousands of rolls of paper are in chronological order, you'll get through it in only a few weeks or months even as more rolls are added on a weekly basis!!"
I have suggested smarter ways of dealing with this many times in the past, but they have never taken off.
Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Continually growing the thread while simultaneously expecting every new user to start at page one and wade their way through, retaining every bit of info they encounter seems like full-on mandatory asylum committal time to me.
Meanwhile, the rest of the Internet figured out that FAQs and some feeble attempt at topic organization solves this problem sometime around 15 or 20 years ago.
Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but improvement doesn't occur all by itself. If I had the ability to single-handedly solve the problem I would have done it months ago. Repeating the same thing over and over clearly has not worked, and it's only going to become less effective as the thread grows larger.
HollywoodGuy
03-07-15, 20:42
Well today I met a 22 year old mixed girl I have been trying to meet up for weeks. I am really bitter and jaded with SB as I had three flake out on me in the last week. I liked her pictures so I said what the hell. She was very cute and and we talked for well over an hour and a half. I know it's bad to think this way but you would think most 22 year olds are flaky and only want to party and may not be mature. Well I was pleasantly surprised. She is smart, articulate, mature and cute as hell. We talked about everything under the sun. We made plans to meet up again and didn't talk about sugar. I mention this because sometimes in the bowl you have a great time with someone you connect and there is no sex or money exchanged. These are some of the nice surprised in this hobby.I had a similar experience today. A 19 year old mixed black / french middle class HCB looking for some guidance. Not sure if she was into me. But I am not always clued into that. But at least I got out and did three M&G's this week. I know if I did that every week it wouldn't take too long to hit one out of the park. At the minimum she was an 8/9. Awesome 5'4" 115 lb body. Perfect skin, nice lips, soft voice, and small hands. Claims to have had only two IRL boyfriends and no SD's due to her strict upbringing (all very believable). My only worry is that she was a little too straight. I like girls with an edge, but if she has a little devil inside her then we could be ok.
We did talk about the sugar in advance as I will not do a M&G with any girl until the $ a date parameter has been agreed to.
PghGuy2005
03-07-15, 21:10
If the email exchange started without any mention of $ and the SB showed eagerness to be with me, should I just go ahead and meet her? And if the M&G is in a hotel room then it will very likely lead to FC in that case will it be a bad idea not to discuss $?
I was thinking of just going along with the flow and not force anything into it and at the end slip the $ into her handbag and hope for the best! Good idea?
Actually this worked with a couple of SBs without incident and I repeated with one of them granted one was big and the other (repeat) was on the older side. This was before I learnt of HWG 1-2-3 method.
HollywoodGuy
03-07-15, 21:20
I know everyone here wants to date the yoga, aerobics, or dance class teacher. What about a pro fitness competitor? Is that too over the top (especially a tall one)? I only just started the messaging with her today. It's been on my list but I have never partaken. I did have one body builder Sb in the past but she was only 5'5 and about 140 and not a pro athlete like this one. They are both 20 years old. The pro is a bit heavier than the pic as that was a competition shot. Also I have seen that most of these muscled babes like their male counterparts (which is not me at all).
My X (and only my second SB) is the one in red. The other is 5'9" about 165? and can lift some serious weight. I usually date waify girls but do try something different from time to time. Part of the reason I broke up with the X was her size. But for a booty call, that could be another story.
So the question is, do the SD's on USA like some real muscle on their babes?
I know everyone here wants to date the yoga, aerobics, or dance class teacher. What about a pro fitness competitor? Is that too over the top (especially a tall one)? I only just started the messaging with her today. It's been on my list but I have never partaken. I did have one body builder Sb in the past but she was only 5'5 and about 140 and not a pro athlete like this one. They are both 20 years old. The pro is a bit heavier than the pic as that was a competition shot. Also I have seen that most of these muscled babes like their male counterparts (which is not me at all).
My X (and only my second SB) is the one in red. The other is 5'9" about 165? and can lift some serious weight. I usually date waify girls but do try something different from time to time. Part of the reason I broke up with the X was her size. But for a booty call, that could be another story.
So the question is, do the SD's on USA like some real muscle on their babes?I tend to not date SBs who can kick my ass in a clean fight.
I was thinking of just going along with the flow and not force anything into it and at the end slip the $ into her handbag and hope for the best! Good idea?
That's how some on the site do it. Others won't move forward beyond the e-communications without agreeing to a set amount.
Some girls will bring up the dollar talk and will dictate how that goes. I'd say try both methods and see if any one method works best for you.
I personally brought up the amount in the initial messages.
So the question is, do the SD's on USA like some real muscle on their babes?I wouldn't kick her out of bed. Seems like they're both in very good shape but not to the point where it seems masculine.
Besides, variety is part of the fun.
IluvSmellyFish
03-08-15, 00:40
As with all things in life, there are two sides to every coin. The backup rotation is nice. The upside. Hot young 20 somethings who get wet for an older guy, and who let me have their way with them. Why not keep them in rotation, right?
The downside. I don't have the time and don't want to spend the funds to keep both my current SBs in rotation, if I add these two pots. My current top SB is at the upper end of my per date allowance. I had been keeping the other SB around because of low maintenance requirements, but these two pots have even lower maintenance requirements. After you factor in hotel costs (even after considering that this cost is reduced now that I've been maximizing my hotel time by using one night for multiple FC trips), meals, etc. , keeping my current SBs in the line up, while also trying to keep them happy still hurts the budget. The financial aspect hurts, but the ability to find time to play is the real issue. Unlike a few months back where the SO was out of town almost every weekend and sometimes during the weekday, right now the SO is around and around very often.
Of course this all presumes that thing are going to work out, and that's never a guarantee. Just like I thought I was going to close the deal with my hot latina gymnast pot who had her own place and told me she only wanted $ for a per date allowance. After the M&G and after I thought we reached an understanding, I thought I hit the promise land. To date, I have not seen that pot since that first M&G, and she has gone dark.
At this point, I'm going to play it cool on all angles and see how things turn out. Worst case scenario. I sign up for SA again after having had a leave of absence. There are a bunch of new babies on SA over the fast week or so, that jumped into the scene. Would love to meet some of them and to see how they are in person.
GL and Happy Hunting to all.
PghGuy2005
03-08-15, 11:01
My X (and only my second SB) is the one in red. The other is 5'9" about 165? and can lift some serious weight. I usually date waify girls but do try something different from time to time. Part of the reason I broke up with the X was her size. But for a booty call, that could be another story.
What was the per date ca $h with the X? Were there significant overheads?
Just want to see a pic of an SB who has been dated by an SD on a budget.
HollywoodGuy
03-08-15, 12:29
What was the per date ca $h with the X? Were there significant overheads?
Just want to see a pic of an SB who has been dated by an SD on a budget.Just look at any of my posts in the last year. Except for the stripper they were all at budget rates.
PghGuy2005
03-08-15, 12:58
If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.
The bleeding / soreness is on the shaft due to the skin getting tangled with the hair & condom so circumcision will not be of any help. I was surprised to learn that removal of the foreskin meant loss of the most sensitive part of the penis leading to a reduction in the feeling of pleasure.
So what water based lube would you recommend? Something that allows oral after application but is not flavored -tasteless.
ThisSoundsFun
03-08-15, 13:33
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I always stick with natural edible oils -coconut, almond, grapeseed, and olive. They are organic, edible, and you can cook with them, especially when the vagina gets smokin'.
Circumcision -Damn! If pleasure from sex got any greater (if I weren't circumcised) I don't know if I could stand it! Basically the head of the penis slips and slides inside the foreskin so its like fucking yourself.
Condom solutions I read about:
A little scissor slit in the end allows the big dog to break through after a few heavy thrusts, allowing that oh so great BB feeling. I broke through naturally once with a crazy hot 9/9 18 yr old Baby, and the transition from covered to bare was amazing. Now if you truly want coverage don't do it. If the SB is on The Pill but wants to protect herself from clean as a whistle you it is a strategy.
Anybody have a favored brand for XX wide body models?
Another condom strategy is to lube up before putting the condom on. You will slip and slide around inside the condom which feels sort of like the vagina.
HollywoodGuy
03-08-15, 17:53
Today I went on M&G number two with the tiny dancer girl from a few weeks ago. The vibe I got after our first M&G was one of dis-interest. But she kept txting me over the last few weeks here and there.
Today we just sat out in the car for 20 minutes and got straight to the point. I gave her my famous line "that every relationship starts with a one night stand". And she agreed. The next date is straight to the FC to see if there is any real chemistry.
She is another 7/9 (my sweet spot). A pro hollywood dancer (not a stripper). A very down to earth 21 year old. She let me feel the merchandise a little (tight and toned from head to toe) but no kissing, just a peck or two. I always like to get a little something just to get an idea if we are gonna have any sparks. So no luck this time but i am optimistic.
HollywoodGuy
03-08-15, 18:10
Anybody have a favored brand for XX wide body models?Astroglide with the purple top. Best all around. Get the CVS generic version for a third less. Same quality.
HollywoodGuy
03-08-15, 19:24
This is my last post of the day unless I hookup with anyone but my ATF.
Another positive response to my steps messages.
"I have to admit that your honesty during this conversation has made me respect you as well as have an interest in meeting with you. When you explained your reasoning for not doing 200-300 dollar dates it really did make a lot of sense to me. I'm looking for a long term arrangement myself so I hope we do click & that it actually works out. "
Hope springs eternal. I just spoke to her on the phone and will again later tonite. She is so ready. She posted her profile about 4 or 5 months ago and says I will be the first guy she is comfortable enough with to meet.
21 light skinned mixed girl. White/Latina ? Didnt ask. A solid 8 from her pics.
HollywoodGuy
03-08-15, 22:31
Last last post. The girl from yesterday messaged me to say she was miffed that I didn't pay $ for the M&G. I guess she got confused. That would have been one expensive starbucks. At the end of todays M&G I forgot that I told the tiny dancer to txt me after her workout. And she did. But I am not breaking plans with my ATF to see her. Her big problem is scheduling. But I,ll get to her. The girl below that I been messaging all day says we can go straight to FC on the first date. Yeah. I found her IG and twitter. These girls should be more careful. But she looks to be a very normal shop girl that likes to drink a little too much on the weekend. But she is so ready. Just the way we like them.
heres a good one.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e0d79af6/view?conversation-inbox
"1000 per meet to start, we can work something out later."
I realized today while doing my daily SA search that there are a fair number of profiles I have had the (mostly) good fortune to have already sampled their talents. It made me realize just how lucky I am to have discovered the sugar bowl and how much this forum has made the experience so delightful. I'm definitely addicted. Does anyone else ever peruse the sugar baby sites and see the ones you've already done?
DirkMcQuickley
03-09-15, 10:14
So the question is, do the SD's on USA like some real muscle on their babes?I wish there were more women like this. Once you've had a taste of one who is really into sex, it is very hard to go back. These are the rarest of all Unicorns.
HollywoodGuy
03-09-15, 11:57
I wish there were more women like this. Once you've had a taste of one who is really into sex, it is very hard to go back. These are the rarest of all Unicorns.I remember reading back in my work out days that the ones that take hormones (testosterone) go into sexual overdrive.
HollywoodGuy
03-09-15, 16:03
Well from all my M&G's the last few weeks I now have three new choices (all from SA). The french / latina 19 year old spinner I had the $0 sugar car date with a week ago. She was all pouty last night because we can not seem to get our schedules to align. And failed to do so again today. Except this time its on her. I was going to see her even though I have only had one day off from the FC in the last week. But she is so sexy I figured it wouldn't matter.
The 21 year old tiny dancer I met twice and now she is ready for the FC. She is so aloof. I did get her to smile on the second M&G. I am really not sure what her issues are. Maybe she has just been hurt in the past. She seems agreeable yet cool at the same time.
But the newest girl, (a chatty 19 year old), new as in I just contacted her for the first time yesterday, is coming over tomorrow to hangout for an M&G / FC date as she said she was totally comfortable just from our convos.
I am going to pick her up straight from her job (an upscale clothing store) which is only 10 minutes from me. She apologized for not being able to stay overnite (sweet girl). Something I never do anyway. This girl is so excited she can't stop txting me. She is someone I can talk to easily. So we will definitely have a good time unless she is weak in the FC. A chance we all take. I have my regulars on hold till the weekend. So I have all week to explore new pussy.
My new ATF is on call as she has finally secured some reliable babysitting. I have her on a strict eight hundred a month for 4 months now. This month she will tap it out at about the 20th of the month at a $ a date. I asked her "then what?" She said not to worry. At this point she is "adickted" so I am not too worried. We only had one month so far where her dates exceeded the allowance. And that was only by one date. It will be interesting to see if she is willing to go 2 or 3 dates over.
Here is a moderately interesting site I ran across that has someuseful dating / relationship advice. It's not a competing site to this one so hopefully its ok to put the link here.
blackgirlsareeasy.com/.
HollywoodGuy
03-09-15, 20:33
This one agreed to do the M&G in the FC. I guess that makes her a UTR, but I post any girl on here that was met on a SD site. She is about a 7, but the pics make her look like an 8. Maybe she will surprise me. When they are 18 I cut them a little slack.
This one agreed to do the M&G in the FC. I guess that makes her a UTR, but I post any girl on here that was met on a SD site. She is about a 7, but the pics make her look like an 8. Maybe she will surprise me. When they are 18 I cut them a little slack.You can give the 18's an extra point on the looks. Unless she's got ads up on CL or asking you to meet her at her notel room, it's all the same fun.
HollywoodGuy
03-09-15, 20:58
You can give the 18's an extra point on the looks. Unless she's got ads up on CL or asking you to meet her at her notel room, it's all the same fun.Her pics and number lead to nothing.
HollywoodGuy
03-10-15, 03:03
Part of the reason I am successful is that I put in the hours. Many Hours. After work today I messaged girls till midnite. I got a few maybes and one pretty solid hit (pictured) from a young spinner. We are going to do a "no sex, no money" date. I love that phrase. I forget who posted it (and it may have been on my local NP thread) but it is now part of my repertoire. Thanks guy, whoever you are. And if the girl happens to change her mind on the date? Well if I only get her off, no sugar. If she gets me off as well then I do pay.
Since I started on SA I have tried to limit myself to the 18-20 any race, slender or athletic. There are so many girls (as I am new). Over time I will see a diminishing return. But the girls on SA respond at a much higher percentage than SD4M at this point. Of course I was experimenting with my new approach (learned on this thread). And while I did score enough with my old approach to keep me busy I am sure I lost out on a lot of good pussy. BTW... It took me over a year of reading this thread everyday to modify my approach. On SD4M I was just basically asking them if they wanted to hook up in my intro letter. Having had virtually no dating experience until my 50's I had a lot to learn. I married very young and was really only serious with 5 women in 30 years except for pussy that fell in my lap. And I never dated in H.S. Same story. I just waited for them to hit on me. And just did hookups. Not formal dating per se. I still lean heavily to the hookup style because that is what I am comfortable with. I would rather fuck than talk anyway.
As you can tell by the pics I post I mostly date black girls (because I like them). And hitting them up cold doesn't really put them off too much as long as you do it with some style. But with this softer approach I am getting all races except the white girls. I just dont have the patience for their BS. If they could out perform the non-white girls in the FC I might put up with it. But honestly as hard as they try (and some really put in the effort) I have never had sex anywhere near as good as with a black or asian girl (except once with a russian GF). I am still new to latinas and have only banged a few so I dont have a read on them yet. Although my one regular "Sugar" is half mexican but identifies as native american. One thing I love about L.A. is the diversity. I am originally from an area that was just black or white and no mixed girls as back in the day mixing was not tolerated in my hometown. But the times they are a changin. I am now going to apply the same tactic on SD4M and see what happens.
A Bubba Here
03-10-15, 09:50
Please give me, the heads up. What site?
I am still new to latinas and have only banged a few so I dont have a read on them yet. I can't say I've encountered a lot of latina SBs but I've banged a lot in civy dating, and over the long term and on a large scale you won't find any level of consistency that you can count on. You might find some recognizable pattern with the first few, then a new one comes along and shatters any conclusions you may have come to about the ones you've known so far. I'm guessing that's even more true with SBs, especially the type that grew up in this county, who have been Americanized by going to high school here.
My experience ranges from a complete dud of a Puerto Rican baby who didn't have the decency to shave her damn legs for our date and wasn't a sexual person at all, to a 23 yo Peruvian exchange student who gave me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had, swallowing the load, and when she saw I saw so aroused that my cock was staying hard 10 minutes after the deed, started sucking again (tugging on it with both hands like a porn pro) and brought me to a second equally intense CIM, where she swallowed again (politely not making a mess in the backseat of my car). Never gave a latina anything other than maybe a couple drinks in a bar or dinner, yet they all seemed grateful. I'm particularly fond of Panamanians too, some nice threesome memories there (the ones I've known have been very sexual).
The only distinguishing pattern I could really cite is that some of them are so inordinately sweet-natured and put out a vibe like they want much more than just sex or money, that it can pit you against your conscience on whether to bang them or not when you know they are looking for something real and you're not.
Member #5055
03-10-15, 12:26
After a while - 6-9 months. Do you not renew the profile and start a fresh one so it does not appear that you are a serial SD.
Part of the reason I am successful is that I put in the hours. Many Hours. After work today I messaged girls till midnite. I got a few maybes and one pretty solid hit (pictured) from a young spinner. We are going to do a "no sex, no money" date. I love that phrase. I forget who posted it (and it may have been on my local NP thread) but it is now part of my repertoire. Thanks guy, whoever you are. And if the girl happens to change her mind on the date? Well if I only get her off, no sugar. If she gets me off as well then I do pay.
Since I started on SA I have tried to limit myself to the 18-20 any race, slender or athletic. There are so many girls (as I am new). Over time I will see a diminishing return. But the girls on SA respond at a much higher percentage than SD4M at this point. Of course I was experimenting with my new approach (learned on this thread). And while I did score enough with my old approach to keep me busy I am sure I lost out on a lot of good pussy. BTW... It took me over a year of reading this thread everyday to modify my approach. On SD4M I was just basically asking them if they wanted to hook up in my intro letter. Having had virtually no dating experience until my 50's I had a lot to learn. I married very young and was really only serious with 5 women in 30 years except for pussy that fell in my lap. And I never dated in H.S. Same story. I just waited for them to hit on me. And just did hookups. Not formal dating per se. I still lean heavily to the hookup style because that is what I am comfortable with. I would rather fuck than talk anyway.
As you can tell by the pics I post I mostly date black girls (because I like them). And hitting them up cold doesn't really put them off too much as long as you do it with some style. But with this softer approach I am getting all races except the white girls. I just dont have the patience for their BS. If they could out perform the non-white girls in the FC I might put up with it. But honestly as hard as they try (and some really put in the effort) I have never had sex anywhere near as good as with a black or asian girl (except once with a russian GF). I am still new to latinas and have only banged a few so I dont have a read on them yet. Although my one regular "Sugar" is half mexican but identifies as native american. One thing I love about L.A. is the diversity. I am originally from an area that was just black or white and no mixed girls as back in the day mixing was not tolerated in my hometown. But the times they are a changin. I am now going to apply the same tactic on SD4M and see what happens.
HollywoodGuy
03-10-15, 12:39
After a while - 6-9 months. Do you not renew the profile and start a fresh one so it does not appear that you are a serial SD.I want girls to know I am a serial SD. It creates a fierce level of competition. I don't use it against them in a mean way. Its just a reality. You better keep Daddy happy or someone else will. And they know I'm not blowin smoke. My profile on SD4M is 5 years old. But I have had other profiles with different language to see what works.
I tell all of them I have had many past SB's. If its just a first date I may neglect to mention that I am currently seeing a few girls (but sometimes I do for a variety of reasons). And if they are gonna be around for even a couple of dates it would be impossible to hide. A lot of SB's claim they dont want anything clingy so knowing you are busy with someone else takes the pressure off them worrying about you wanting to have a GF. This doesn't stop them from trying to become the #1 girl though. Also being a serial SD tells them that you are for real. You have a proven track record of taking care of women like them.
I currently have three regulars and they are all cool with the scheduling issues involved. Occasionally they cross paths. This has only been an issue one time. With my stripper X. She was very disrespectful to one of the other girls. And guess what? Now she is gone. More because of poor FC skills, but her inability to get along with others was also a factor.
Also I try to have regulars that dont compete in the FC. Meaning they all have something a little different to offer. And currently they are all different ethnicities. And none of them are white. lol. Also none of them has the title of "Girlfriend". So I am enjoying being "single" for now. Having a "roommate" doesn't hurt either. As far as keeping the girls in line and also showing that I can take good care of a deserving girl.
I want girls to know I am a serial SD. It creates a fierce level of competition. I don't use it against them in a mean way. Its just a reality. You better keep Daddy happy or someone else will. And they know I'm not blowin smoke. My profile on SD4M is 5 years old. But I have had other profiles with different language to see what works.
I tell all of them I have had many past SB's. In my admittedly somewhat limited experience, being able to discuss past SBs with a POT is very helpful. I've not yet met one that minded that at all, in fact they mostly seem to prefer it. Most of them are attracted to assertive types, SDs who know what they want and can state their "requirements" clearly. Having experience with past SBs helps to establish that image.
Another advantage of having an "old" profile might be that it lets them know you're probably safe to meet (the SB sites would delete a profile if it got reported frequently).
Latinas (2) very passionate, wet quickly, vocal, thick bodied (most passionate).
Asian (1) not passionate, controlled, but screamed at the top of her lungs at orgasm. Best spinner shape, Scared the shit out of me. (most vocal).
White (300+) a mixed bag MILFs (4) most orgasmic, most squirting, fattest. (best squirter) Teens (18-19) quiet, physically most active,20 somethings soso (sweetest pussies).
AA (1) boring (most funky).
As you can see I see mostly Caucs, but I am open minded about all. The AA girls in my area tend to be more ghetto, but less open to Pay to go. Asians are GPS. MILFs are too hard to get and too GPS.
I can't say I've encountered a lot of latina SBs but I've banged a lot in civy dating, and over the long term and on a large scale you won't find any level of consistency that you can count on. You might find some recognizable pattern with the first few, then a new one comes along and shatters any conclusions you may have come to about the ones you've known so far. I'm guessing that's even more true with SBs, especially the type that grew up in this county, who have been Americanized by going to high school here.
I've always been fond of the latinas even before the bowl and have encountered many in the la / oc area. I may be generalizing here, but from my limited sample size I've gotten used to a few common traits: Family priorities can make them iffy with scheduling dates (large families and always something going on). Almost always still living at home so no chance at a quick easy bang at their place. Unlikely to be on birth control (partly for catholic upbringing, but also just getting knocked up doesn't seem all that bad to them).
FC skills and overall experiences have all varied.
DirtyDeeds38
03-10-15, 18:19
I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.
As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.
He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".
He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.
Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.
Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.
Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.
I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.
This is tough, and I'm sure others will offer their input.
I think as a just in case, your friend should see a divorce attorney so that he can be prepared for worst case scenario. Trying to buy off the girl will just lead to more trouble if she keeps coming back to the cash cow.
This might be crazy, but since you're single is it possible for you to slowly slide into her life and deflect some of that unwanted attention / afffection? You'd be taking one for the team but if you can get an "introduction" and offer her the attention and the "future" she craves, she may lose interest in your friend. Eventually, she'll be your crazy to deal with.
Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option.Your friend is hoping for no accountability for his actions? Others will have creative ideas that will be more user friendly than mine. However, after just surviving a divorce after 20 years of marriage that ultimately ended due to similar issues, I say he should tell his Wife about the girl. Will it end their marriage? It might. But from what you shared there was some decay there to begin with. On the other hand, the marriage might survive it. Other marriages do. Whatever the outcome I wish your Friend all the best as I've been there done that.
PghGuy2005
03-10-15, 19:22
All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.
That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!
HollywoodGuy
03-10-15, 19:34
All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.
That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!When I am with them I treat them like the love of my life. But only in the FC, except in rare circumstances. But my days of expensive anything have come to a halt.
I was in beverly hills today and looking at all the amazing 10+ hotties and thinking, this girl is setting some guy back a fortune. lol. This quality could be had on a SD site for $$$ to $$$$. Still high but not half your income.
Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!I don't think it's a disadvantage. It's just a different offer that you have for the SBs.
Not all the girls will be wanting a gf treatment. Many will want just the FC and cash exchange and have their own discrete relationship.
If the POT is wanting dates / dinners / nights out on the town, let her know that's not possible and not what you're looking for. If that's a no for her then everyone moves on to the next.
No need to throw more $ at them.
I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.
As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.
He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".
He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.
Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.
Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.
Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.I'm speaking from experience here as I went through something very similar. With the difference being my gf knew from day one I was unhappily married. Tell the gf you're married, then just tell her to go ahead and tell the wife. Mine used to threaten all the time and actually parked outside my house but didn't have the nerve to go to the door. She finally stole my phone during an argument one day and texted my wife what was going on. Made my life hell for a bit, but the wife got over it. To be honest, I didn't really give a shit other than having to hear my wife constantly piss and moan about it. My marriage is for all intents and purposes dead anyway, and I still come and go as I please.
All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.
That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!Not a stud here, just someone with a lot of experience with women. Yes I always treat them like any other date, and for whatever reason in the civy dating world I have always treated my date the same whether I was eyeballing her for long-term material or if I was just in it for a one night stand. It's not something I do intentionally, just what comes naturally I guess. I do have an SO to worry about but I never date SBs anywhere near my home, only during travel.
Member #5055
03-10-15, 21:11
As the subject says it all -- we have to weigh the options.
Either way. This is a no brainer -- get a GOOD divource attourney -- the best. Before she gets them and they cannot serve you.
OK -- so covered back door.
OK. So BEFORE opening up to the wife (with all the thermo-nuclear options that that will open) - he may as well at least try the same with the SB.
There is NO loss on attempting to break it up forcefully but with tact and cunning.
E. g. I really see no future for us with the age differance.
I understand your feelings -- but it takes two to feel the same before it can work.
Look -- I am really sorry -- and am prepared to try to make it so that you are not financially impacted my my decision to end it -- so here is $$$ etc. (hard to do, and only comes once she is in acceptance that it is over and you are tryin to wrap things up).
-- plus any other ideas -- guys -- add to this list!
THEN -- IF it works -- you have to go silent and deep -- I mean NO futher contact.
-- your friend cannot even SEE any further communications from her.
-- if in any way he can change his phone # - do it.
-- block her from any E-mail etc she knows -- kil the accounts after deleting EVERYTHING from them etc etc (I know a judge can get he backups -- but make it HARD).
-- basically disappear of the face of the earth.
IF she does turn up at the door -- have a WRITTEN letter ready and pre-dated to give to the wife -- make it clear you fell badly -- and tried to get out. That may be the only option to stop the nuclear back-lash! The fact that by himself he TRIED to stop it and come back to his wife he loves.
Feeling for him.
GW.
I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.
As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.
He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".
He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.
Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.
Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.
Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.
Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.I was thinking how can your friend convince the girl that SHE doesn't want anything to do with him. Here's another crazy idea: How about telling her that he's been having some burning sensation while peeing, went to the doctor and got a checkup showing he's got _ std and that she should get tested as well. He'd need to do some research to know what would be a good choice. Maybe not go nuclear with hiv, but not some some simple sti that can be easily treated with penicillin.
HollywoodGuy
03-10-15, 21:37
These girls really need to stop posting their whole life on IG and twitter. LOL.
Your friend is hoping for no accountability for his actions? Others will have creative ideas that will be more user friendly than mine. However, after just surviving a divorce after 20 years of marriage that ultimately ended due to similar issues, I say he should tell his Wife about the girl. Will it end their marriage? It might. But from what you shared there was some decay there to begin with. On the other hand, the marriage might survive it. Other marriages do. Whatever the outcome I wish your Friend all the best as I've been there done that.One of the reasons I suggested going to the Wife instead of the SB is because, if he wants the marriage to survive, he may have a better chance by "confessing" rather than getting caught or ratted on. Tell the SB, you still have no real assurance the problem might resurface in the future. Tell the Wife, and now act 1 of this clusterFk ends and act 2 begins. Also you take away any ammunition the SB has to grasp on to. Talking to an Atty first is a great idea no matter what he decides.
I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.
As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.
He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".
He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.
Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.
Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.
Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.Well this is the kind of thing I've written about in the past and occasionally offered advice on how to avoid.
Your friend first needs to take a deep breath and realize that digging himself out of this one will take patience. He should focus on managing his own stress level, because if he panics then mistakes will be made, and it may take him weeks (at least, probably months) to properly diffuse this one, so he's going to need a cool head. Having her agreement not to show up at his house is not enough. It still puts her in the drivers seat and him at the disadvantage. My believe that spending all your efforts defending your own disadvantage is a losing strategy. In a situation like this, you need to defend your own disadvantage enough to avoid the primary threat (visit to the wife) while simultaneously looking for her weakness. Almost everyone has something that could be used against them in some way -- he should look for this so that he has that card in his hand. The idea is to not intend to exploit the disadvantage directly, but to have it looming in order to remove her motives for exploiting his weakness. Finding that critical flaw could take time. If nothing else he may need to spend some time concentrating and thinking about it based on things he already knows about her. There's almost certainly something she would never want him to do. He needs to identify that.
Once that card is in hand, he should probably just try to use the power of time. Let whatever flame is burning the SB dwindle out slowly and uneventfully. For example, continue to see her, but start intentionally being a dead fish in bed. He should start complaining uncharacteristically about random shit to her, giving her sob stories, finding ways of making himself less attractive or desirable to her. Don't shower before seeing her. Complain about financial problems and how his world is crashing down. Mention that he went handgun shopping recently because his work is stressing him to the point that he feels like doing himself in (not suggesting he actually buy a gun, just say he did). Inject a little fear factor into the whole equation. Just slowly over time make himself look like he's not the prince charming she thought he was at first.
Sometimes, even if they have the option to confront the wife, they don't simply because nobody ever really WANTS to do that (at least not most people). However, having it as a tool in the toolbox is a powerful feeling, especially for a manipulative female to have. So he should not look at it as something imminent, but at the same time he should not do anything that invokes more drama, because when people snap they often do things that even they don't want to do.
Never under any circumstances should he cave to stress and preemptively inform his wife about it all. Some find that to be a tempting option, but it is the worst possible option. His situation is fully salvageable and with careful handling she'll never meet his wife. It's just that getting to that point might be many miserable months for him.
And IMO after its over he should make up his mind if he wants to be married or be single, and get a divorce before he enters the bowl again. Some dudes are just born to think with their other head, and no amount of coaching can prevent them from doing something stupid. Falling for her was not wise, but being married and renting a pad for her, much less leaving some of his own mail there, was just well beyond stupid. Sorry but they have to be called as I see them. Sugar coating an issue like this helps no one.
I was thinking how can your friend convince the girl that SHE doesn't want anything to do with him. Here's another crazy idea: How about telling her that he's been having some burning sensation while peeing, went to the doctor and got a checkup showing he's got _ std and that she should get tested as well. He'd need to do some research to know what would be a good choice. Maybe not go nuclear with hiv, but not some some simple sti that can be easily treated with penicillin.Doesn't seem like it could hurt. Telling her he tested positive for genital herpes is not exactly going to make her yearn for him even more or anything.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 00:16
Well this is the kind of thing I've written about in the past and occasionally offered advice on how to avoid.
Your friend first needs to take a deep breath and realize that digging himself out of this one will take patience. He should focus on managing his own stress level, because if he panics then mistakes will be made, and it may take him weeks (at least, probably months) to properly diffuse this one, so he's going to need a cool head. Having her agreement not to show up at his house is not enough. It still puts her in the drivers seat and him at the disadvantage. My believe that spending all your efforts defending your own disadvantage is a losing strategy. In a situation like this, you need to defend your own disadvantage enough to avoid the primary threat (visit to the wife) while simultaneously looking for her weakness. Almost everyone has something that could be used against them in some way -- he should look for this so that he has that card in his hand. The idea is to not intend to exploit the disadvantage directly, but to have it looming in order to remove her motives for exploiting his weakness. Finding that critical flaw could take time. If nothing else he may need to spend some time concentrating and thinking about it based on things he already knows about her. There's almost certainly something she would never want him to do. He needs to identify that.
Once that card is in hand, he should probably just try to use the power of time. Let whatever flame is burning the SB dwindle out slowly and uneventfully. For example, continue to see her, but start intentionally being a dead fish in bed. He should start complaining uncharacteristically about random shit to her, giving her sob stories, finding ways of making himself less attractive or desirable to her. Don't shower before seeing her. Complain about financial problems and how his world is crashing down. Mention that he went handgun shopping recently because his work is stressing him to the point that he feels like doing himself in (not suggesting he actually buy a gun, just say he did). Inject a little fear factor into the whole equation. Just slowly over time make himself look like he's not the prince charming she thought he was at first.
Sometimes, even if they have the option to confront the wife, they don't simply because nobody ever really WANTS to do that (at least not most people). However, having it as a tool in the toolbox is a powerful feeling, especially for a manipulative female to have. So he should not look at it as something imminent, but at the same time he should not do anything that invokes more drama, because when people snap they often do things that even they don't want to do.
Never under any circumstances should he cave to stress and preemptively inform his wife about it all. Some find that to be a tempting option, but it is the worst possible option. His situation is fully salvageable and with careful handling she'll never meet his wife. It's just that getting to that point might be many miserable months for him.
And IMO after its over he should make up his mind if he wants to be married or be single, and get a divorce before he enters the bowl again. Some dudes are just born to think with their other head, and no amount of coaching can prevent them from doing something stupid. Falling for her was not wise, but being married and renting a pad for her, much less leaving some of his own mail there, was just well beyond stupid. Sorry but they have to be called as I see them. Sugar coating an issue like this helps no one.I'll respond more later. But for now great advise from all. Jez, you're advise is very sound and we think we have a plan. First we need to remember she might have a nose for the wife, but she does not have absolute confirmation. His plan based on my advise, while not full proof if this: his wife wants to go visit her mother across the country. He knows a few hot female friends who for money will basically do anything. He's going to send his wife to visit her mother and let one of his fenale friends step in at his house. He will then go blow it up with her as he is certain she would then come a knockin. When she does, fake fill in, live in girlfriend answers and SB turned girlfriend can get it out of her system. Only fail proof is there is no guarantee she won't come back two weeks later, but that's unlikely. It's a risk, nothing here is fullproof. The girlfriend (SB) and him are truly crazy for each other. That's the sad part. This girl he's mixed up with, well could happen to a lot of us. She's beautiful, high arc drive, kinky yet sweet and loyal etc, but she is as clingy and needy as they come. Very insecure.
HollywoodGuy
03-11-15, 00:54
I got flaked on by the girl in the flag pic. Then she called back and wanted to hookup later tonite. By then it was too late as I had already called my ATF to fill in at the last minute. I just told her sorry and lets spend the day together another time. She really seems to want a BF relationship. The panty shot girl is the one I had the hot car date with. I am going to try to see both of them over the weekend. The panty girl is as horny as she is tiny. The flag girl might take a little work but she claims to be hot for the right guy. We'll see.
I love 19 year olds.
Working on a few others as well. I am dedicated to finding a couple of new ones. My ATF (god love her) has really raised the bar and my game. Our sex just keeps getting better. And its been over 30 dates now.
I'll respond more later. But for now great advise from all. Jez, you're advise is very sound and we think we have a plan. First we need to remember she might have a nose for the wife, but she does not have absolute confirmation. His plan based on my advise, while not full proof if this: his wife wants to go visit her mother across the country. He knows a few hot female friends who for money will basically do anything. He's going to send his wife to visit her mother and let one of his fenale friends step in at his house. He will then go blow it up with her as he is certain she would then come a knockin. When she does, fake fill in, live in girlfriend answers and SB turned girlfriend can get it out of her system. Only fail proof is there is no guarantee she won't come back two weeks later, but that's unlikely. It's a risk, nothing here is fullproof. The girlfriend (SB) and him are truly crazy for each other. That's the sad part. This girl he's mixed up with, well could happen to a lot of us. She's beautiful, high arc drive, kinky yet sweet and loyal etc, but she is as clingy and needy as they come. Very insecure.Just my opinion -- that plan sounds like one of those that works well in a 1980's comedy movie but in real life probably will cause more harm than good. I could write a book on the reasons why, but basically it is too complicated and dependent on factors that will be beyond his control, specifically timing of everything: timing of his wife's visit to mom, timing of the friends availability, timing of his "blow up" move and praying that it has exactly the desired effect at exactly the right time. The timing of things is hard to control.
Let me put forth just one of at least a dozen different scenarios that come to mind. His wife goes out of town, he has the friend lined up, then he does whatever he plans to do to piss off the SB and get her to come knocking. But, instead of the immediate response he predicted, the SB decides to sit back, and let her emotions fester and build, until her next big PMS event which happens many weeks later. Or for whatever reason she just does not react immediately, waiting enough time for the wife to come back. So your friend sitting there losing sleep wondering when the bomb is going to go off -- most likely after his wife is back.
A second possibility -- his wife has a detective watching him while she's out of town. The SB never shows up, but he gets nailed for bringing the hot female friend into his house. Maybe no detective, maybe the neighbors rat him out to his wife when she gets back. Not to mention, women can literally SMELL when another woman has been inside their house, days or weeks later even.
I could go on an on. It's just too complex and full of assumptions and risks.
A difficult situation requires a simple, and foolproof plan that does not assume people will be in the right place at the right time.
Member #5055
03-11-15, 09:58
Jez advice is sound -- but your plan is somewhat one of charge the Alamo approach -- if it works. Great, but if not he is done for.
Once the can of worms is open. Even if he gets a stand in wife. She is now a spurned woman, and we all know how much fury has a woman scorned.
Jez approach is a slower draw down -- making it more a failing relationship, a long slow approach.
Always look to the flip side. What if the SB decides to keep coming back with some delusional plan to get him back as they are "meant to be together".
I think I prefer Jez's approach!
P.S. this also validates my approach of ONLY playing in the bowl when on business out of town and often out of state -- if you have this luxury !
I'll respond more later. But for now great advise from all. Jez, you're advise is very sound and we think we have a plan. First we need to remember she might have a nose for the wife, but she does not have absolute confirmation. His plan based on my advise, while not full proof if this: his wife wants to go visit her mother across the country. He knows a few hot female friends who for money will basically do anything. He's going to send his wife to visit her mother and let one of his fenale friends step in at his house. He will then go blow it up with her as he is certain she would then come a knockin. When she does, fake fill in, live in girlfriend answers and SB turned girlfriend can get it out of her system. Only fail proof is there is no guarantee she won't come back two weeks later, but that's unlikely. It's a risk, nothing here is fullproof. The girlfriend (SB) and him are truly crazy for each other. That's the sad part. This girl he's mixed up with, well could happen to a lot of us. She's beautiful, high arc drive, kinky yet sweet and loyal etc, but she is as clingy and needy as they come. Very insecure.
Member #5055
03-11-15, 10:01
OK -- so Jeeze and I were typing our replies at the same time -- we are on the same page!!
Just my opinion -- that plan sounds like one of those that works well in a 1980's comedy movie but in real life probably will cause more harm than good. I could write a book on the reasons why, but basically it is too complicated and dependent on factors that will be beyond his control, specifically timing of everything: timing of his wife's visit to mom, timing of the friends availability, timing of his "blow up" move and praying that it has exactly the desired effect at exactly the right time. The timing of things is hard to control.
Let me put forth just one of at least a dozen different scenarios that come to mind. His wife goes out of town, he has the friend lined up, then he does whatever he plans to do to piss off the SB and get her to come knocking. But, instead of the immediate response he predicted, the SB decides to sit back, and let her emotions fester and build, until her next big PMS event which happens many weeks later. Or for whatever reason she just does not react immediately, waiting enough time for the wife to come back. So your friend sitting there losing sleep wondering when the bomb is going to go off -- most likely after his wife is back.
A second possibility -- his wife has a detective watching him while she's out of town. The SB never shows up, but he gets nailed for bringing the hot female friend into his house. Maybe no detective, maybe the neighbors rat him out to his wife when she gets back. Not to mention, women can literally SMELL when another woman has been inside their house, days or weeks later even.
I could go on an on. It's just too complex and full of assumptions and risks.
A difficult situation requires a simple, and foolproof plan that does not assume people will be in the right place at the right time.
OK -- so Jeeze and I were typing our replies at the same time -- we are on the same page!!Yeah, you made some good points, too. His friend seems to be searching for a hail-mary play that will bail him out quicker. Would be great if it does work, but the risk is off the charts and there's a high probability of it going sideways. In actual hail-mary, what's the worst that can happen? The other team scores. In this hail-mary, the worst that can happen is a massive payout, years of torturous alimony, not to mention the loss of someone that he apparently wants to hold onto (despite boredom) etc.
Too much risk and too much opportunity to fail. "Quick and slick" plans tend to pop into our minds under stress and under feeling of desperation. We want to get rid of the problem fast. This is why I urge patience. Mitigate the internal stress first, once that's under control THEN evaluate possible options. The options picked will be much smarter when selected with a cool head.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 11:27
Yeah, you made some good points, too. His friend seems to be searching for a hail-mary play that will bail him out quicker. Would be great if it does work, but the risk is off the charts and there's a high probability of it going sideways. In actual hail-mary, what's the worst that can happen? The other team scores. In this hail-mary, the worst that can happen is a massive payout, years of torturous alimony, not to mention the loss of someone that he apparently wants to hold onto (despite boredom) etc.
Too much risk and too much opportunity to fail. "Quick and slick" plans tend to pop into our minds under stress and under feeling of desperation. We want to get rid of the problem fast. This is why I urge patience. Mitigate the internal stress first, once that's under control THEN evaluate possible options. The options picked will be much smarter when selected with a cool head.There has been some really good advise here. Especially about finding something on her etc. But I know this girl and have been around her with my current SB double dating etc. Plus the details my friend gives me. She is a submissive type girl, but not for fun reasons, it's how she is wired. She also has very few friends, as she has those hangup issues we so often see with younger women. She is not crazy, as in off the chart, but she struggles with stuff and can become quite unstable and stew and dwell on things forever. This is the type that will not just disappear and go away to the next boyfriend. She is convinced my friend is her soul mate and will literally stop at nothing to have him. He has already tried to explain calmly the age thing, the sexual compatibility (this girl can have sex all day, every day and not tire, he's in his late 40's) she has seen and done it all sexually and for whatever reason, she has latched her claws into my friend, who is not a bad guy, not bad looking, fairly fit and fun, but there is no way he will keep up a life with this girl.
As for the leverage thing, this girl is in school and is a fulltime medical student. As you know, anyone working in the medical field has to maintain high standards with regard to criminal records etc. In their initial contact, when they set the arrangement up, there were dollar amounts indicated, for basically specific acts. I. E almost, "we meet and have sex and I give you X amount of money" he has those emails, and if she goes ugly, he is thinking to calmly tell her, he will turn over those emails to LE. Also, she has mentioned smoking weed before a few times. My friend does not, but he was thinking to get her to smoke and than hangover her head, he will report her to her program and they will test her and out the door goes all that hard work, years of school etc. At first I thought this tactic was aggressive and mean, but my buddy has paid her all along, they met as a SB arrangement and my buddy has built his assets over a lifetime, so I think it's a fair trade off.
Any thoughts on this?
All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.
That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!I am currently in a FC only mode right now and it is hard to nail these SBs down for just that (unless they are UTRs). Pgh, if you can't take them out a little bit and pretend that they are "real Princesses " which they think they are and are not hookers you are going to have an uphill battle. All the successful ass men are able to meet their girls out and about, pick them up, and deliver them to the FC. Just accept that you are going to have to work harder, and will have a lower success rate. I have been in both scenarios and I like the dating one better.
More money ups your success rate. You just have to find that sweet spot that works in your hood .
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 13:29
Just my two cents, but my recommendation would be to deal with the underlying problem that he is sure of. If the SB knows where you live, then it will be a problem for the rest of his life that he will have no control over. Even if he is able to convince the SB to no longer be interested, he puts himself at risk for future blackmail.
This of course assumes he has the financial capability to pick up and move. It will also require him to convince the wife that moving is a good idea. If he is older, maybe float the idea of downsizing to a condo, moving to a resort or over 55 community, etc. In my experience, women love buying anything new and nesting, so it shouldn't be a super hard sell.
Once out of the house, the problem is solved. To keep the SB at bay until he is able to close on the new place and move out, he can placate her with all sorts of promises. Then once he is fully moved out, all his options are back on the table. He can keep her as a SB, or frankly IMHO, he will need to go deep and dark. Too much emotion on the table and continuing to play games will create a stalked situation.
If time is of the essence, float the idea of a major whole home and kitchen renovation and get a contractor in the house for massive demo. Convince the wife that it makes sense to temporarily move to an apartment while the home renovation is taking place. Then while in the apartment, work on convincing her that it makes sense to move to a condo. Then sell the newly renovated property for a profit. All major home renovations with any contractor take twice as long as initially estimated. Add work to the project if he needs more time. Most wives love the idea of having a home renovation performed, especially if they get to move to a new place during the interim. Plus if the kids have grown up and are off at college, downsizing is another way to sell the idea.
IMHO, as long as the SB knows his address, and as long as this guy wants to stay married, he is always going to be at risk of having his SB / SD relationship exposed. Assume he is able to convince the SB not to show up at his house because he tricked her into smoking weed. After a few weeks the drugs will be gone from her system and he will have a pissed of woman who may have mental issues that might want revenge. He will threaten to report her to the program and she will wait to clean out her system, and then call his bluff. If he threatens to go to her program with the emails, she might escalate and threaten to go to the police and have him arrested.
Going to his wife also makes him lose total control over the situation. This puts the SO in the drivers seat. If he wants to save the relationship and is willing to forego the lifestyle from this point forward, it might make sense for him, but no SO will ever let him forget about the "mistake" he made. This of course assumes that he wants to save the relationship. If he doesn't, then he shouldn't care about whether the SB shows up, but should rather be in the process of obtaining counsel from an attorney.
So long as your friend has the financial capability, and can hold off the SB from pulling the trigger on any threat for a few weeks, I personally think that changing addresses is the best tactic. Not something one can easily do, but it will be easier to deal with than coming clean to the wife, and if he tries to mitigate things with the SB, there is never any guarantee that she won't show up on his doorstep one night drunk, pmsing, during some time of emotional, financial, mental breakdown at a future point in her life.
Just my two cents. Also, if he's shrewd in how he goes about buying and selling the old house and new place, he could even make some money.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 13:54
Agree with FM and JL on their dating advice so I won't beat a dead horse. The only thing I can add is that you may want to consider looking for sbs in a different "hood. ".
If you're concerned about your SO, and running into people you know, making dating not an option, it will be tougher to meet a SB rather than a utr or a pro.
Setting up m&gs and dates in a city within a few hours drive of where you live has lots of advantages. For example, first it makes it less likely that you'll deal with issues related to your SO or being exposed. Also as JL previously reported in a different discussion thread, changes in location can impact a SDs success rate dramatically. Take new York and Philadelphia for example. Both are rich with sbs, which is good because it crests competition. The problem is that a SD in NYC will be competing with investment bankers, traders, and a pool of guys who have no problem dropping a few grand on a night out drinking. Go less than two hours south to philly where the pool of sbs is still relatively high, but where a high end home in the rich suburbs are less than a traders annual bonus, and a SDs competition pool changes dramatically.
Long story short. If you're not having any luck in your own town because you can't date, and the sbs that you want are not receptive to your allowance amounts, you may want to consider changing or expanding your target location. Doing so might give you the ability to date, reduce the chance of discovery by the SO, give you a pool of sbs that you lime who are much more receptive to the expectations you are willing to set, and reduce the competiton of SDs youre competing with. It may not, but if things aren't going your way with your current tactics, no harm in increasing the geographic location of your search.
This of course assumes you are able to get away for a few hours at a time. If you don't have the ability to convincing e your SO to release the leash for anything less than a three or four hour block, then it may be difficult to be successful in the bowl. This of course also assumes that you live in a location that is close enough to other areas that might have a decent pool of sbs worth pursuing. So for example, if you live in anchorage Alaska, the city of anchrage may be the only place with any decent sbs that are worth pursuing (no knock on AK, and I am not familiT with the scene there, but just a random hypothetical and a guess regarding the SB pool there).
I am currently in a FC only mode right now and it is hard to nail these SBs down for just that (unless they are UTRs). Pgh, if you can't take them out a little bit and pretend that they are "real Princesses " which they think they are and are not hookers you are going to have an uphill battle. All the successful ass men are able to meet their girls out and about, pick them up, and deliver them to the FC. Just accept that you are going to have to work harder, and will have a lower success rate. I have been in both scenarios and I like the dating one better.
More money ups your success rate. You just have to find that sweet spot that works in your hood .
There has been some really good advise here. Especially about finding something on her etc. But I know this girl and have been around her with my current SB double dating etc. Plus the details my friend gives me. She is a submissive type girl, but not for fun reasons, it's how she is wired. She also has very few friends, as she has those hangup issues we so often see with younger women. She is not crazy, as in off the chart, but she struggles with stuff and can become quite unstable and stew and dwell on things forever. This is the type that will not just disappear and go away to the next boyfriend. She is convinced my friend is her soul mate and will literally stop at nothing to have him. He has already tried to explain calmly the age thing, the sexual compatibility (this girl can have sex all day, every day and not tire, he's in his late 40's) she has seen and done it all sexually and for whatever reason, she has latched her claws into my friend, who is not a bad guy, not bad looking, fairly fit and fun, but there is no way he will keep up a life with this girl.
As for the leverage thing, this girl is in school and is a fulltime medical student. As you know, anyone working in the medical field has to maintain high standards with regard to criminal records etc. In their initial contact, when they set the arrangement up, there were dollar amounts indicated, for basically specific acts. I. E almost, "we meet and have sex and I give you X amount of money" he has those emails, and if she goes ugly, he is thinking to calmly tell her, he will turn over those emails to LE. Also, she has mentioned smoking weed before a few times. My friend does not, but he was thinking to get her to smoke and than hangover her head, he will report her to her program and they will test her and out the door goes all that hard work, years of school etc. At first I thought this tactic was aggressive and mean, but my buddy has paid her all along, they met as a SB arrangement and my buddy has built his assets over a lifetime, so I think it's a fair trade off.
Any thoughts on this?The threat of turning mails of sex for money agreement over to LE is a bad plan, because its a strike against both of them. The score would still be 2-1 in her favor.
Search the law and find out if there is something she could be charged with (other than something like second degree trespassing) if she goes to his house. Maybe he could get a restraining order against her that requires her to not go within 500 feet of the property, then violation of the restraining order would be a felony? Either way, having contempt of court on her rap sheet won't look good on her resume if she plans on a medical profession.
But again this is a more risky strategy than my original plan. If she is emotionally unstable, she might be prone to act first and think later, which means a restraining order won't stop her.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 14:35
The threat of turning mails of sex for money agreement over to LE is a bad plan, because its a strike against both of them. The score would still be 2-1 in her favor.
Search the law and find out if there is something she could be charged with (other than something like second degree trespassing) if she goes to his house. Maybe he could get a restraining order against her that requires her to not go within 500 feet of the property, then violation of the restraining order would be a felony? Either way, having contempt of court on her rap sheet won't look good on her resume if she plans on a medical profession.
But again this is a more risky strategy than my original plan. If she is emotionally unstable, she might be prone to act first and think later, which means a restraining order won't stop her.We just had a frank and long conversation. My friend and I and he is feeling totally fucked. Pacing and watching out the window non stop for his SB to pounce.
This girl digs and digs and does not let stuff go. It's a fucking miracle that she has not showed up thus far. I think the only thing that has stopped her is her insecure, submissive nature and not sure if she is ready for that kind of confrontation. That's just my two cents. In the meantime, my buddy is seriously considering coming clean with his wife. She forgave him once when they were like in their twenties for an affair, but she went ballistic and tore up the house, quit her job and made his life hell for about two years. She even still brings up that little affair some 20 years back when they fight. I told him not to do this, as there is still a chance, little SB won't show up. He doesn't care as he put it, imagine living in your own home, knowing at any moment your life as you know will end. It's the not knowing that is driving him nuts. I can say I don't blame him.
The other option is coming clean with the SB, but then he has trapped himself into a "life" with her. He feels she MIGHT be understanding, but any attempt to end it with her, would surly lead back to the threat of her showing up, to blow up the entire situation. It puts him in a relationship, where even though she is submissive, she still has all the options and for a man, that is no option at all. He also feels in his gut, that because they do love each other so much, especially her, she might just spare him from ruining his life based on that. He has been good to this girl and showed her many ways of life and made her life better. But time and loneliness and bitterness will without doubt set in with this girl and I believe she would still seek revenge.
All in all, it's really a fucked situation. There is no clear cut option. Everything poses a risk. That's why he wants to tell one of them and let the dust settle where it may.
We just had a frank and long conversation. My friend and I and he is feeling totally fucked. Pacing and watching out the window non stop for his SB to pounce.
This girl digs and digs and does not let stuff go. It's a fucking miracle that she has not showed up thus far. I think the only thing that has stopped her is her insecure, submissive nature and not sure if she is ready for that kind of confrontation. That's just my two cents. In the meantime, my buddy is seriously considering coming clean with his wife. She forgave him once when they were like in their twenties for an affair, but she went ballistic and tore up the house, quit her job and made his life hell for about two years. She even still brings up that little affair some 20 years back when they fight. I told him not to do this, as there is still a chance, little SB won't show up. He doesn't care as he put it, imagine living in your own home, knowing at any moment your life as you know will end. It's the not knowing that is driving him nuts. I can say I don't blame him.
The other option is coming clean with the SB, but then he has trapped himself into a "life" with her. He feels she MIGHT be understanding, but any attempt to end it with her, would surly lead back to the threat of her showing up, to blow up the entire situation. It puts him in a relationship, where even though she is submissive, she still has all the options and for a man, that is no option at all. He also feels in his gut, that because they do love each other so much, especially her, she might just spare him from ruining his life based on that. He has been good to this girl and showed her many ways of life and made her life better. But time and loneliness and bitterness will without doubt set in with this girl and I believe she would still seek revenge.
All in all, it's really a fucked situation. There is no clear cut option. Everything poses a risk. That's why he wants to tell one of them and let the dust settle where it may.Part of my recommendation here comes from first-hand experience in a very similar situation. All I can do is throw my advice out there. One thing I've learned is that when people are determined to shoot themselves in the foot, they are going to do what they are going to do. As I said, fessing to the wife is the worst of the options. It guarantees the worst possible outcome regardless of whether the SB comes forward or not. The consequences will be then the same if he fesses and the SB never comes versus the SB comes knocking. He doesn't HAVE to fess to the SB but it may help pacify the situation -- that's a judgment call that only someone who knows her well can make. It might backfire and make her feel even more in control. The restraining order idea is a very valid option, but it all goes back to the original plan.
I don't recommend moving as a way out of the situation. Property tax records are public info, and 99 out of 100 times when someone moves I can do a web search within a few days of closing on the home sale to find their new address as long as I know their real name (I'm assuming she already knows this if she saw his mail, breaking one of my first rules -- never let them know your real name).
Anyway, I don't want to badmouth your buddy but the fact he's already been down this road before and didn't learn his lesson seems to peg him as one of those people who is determined to shoot themselves in the foot. Over, and over again. Lost cause.
Even with my best of friends, if I offer advice and they choose to ignore it and shit goes sideways, I just say "good luck but you're on your own" when they come running back telling me their best laid plan blew up in their face. Most of my tactics for dealing with life's challenges are all or none. You can't take the pieces of the plan you like and mix it up with some alternatives and expect the same result.
The patience plan I mentioned does require a certain level of maturity and inner strength to execute it. He seems to have neither, so for that reason I'm predicting his fate is glued and screwed and his dollars will probably be going to the ex for the next couple of decades instead of enjoying SBs. Not sure why some folks insist on sentencing themselves to the dunce corner of the school of hard knocks, but it is what it is.
Oh well, more SBs for the rest of us. We tried.
Moving along.
Okay, a smart SB who is a Med student and OCD.
Here are the options:
1) tell the SB the story and reason with her. She is smart.
A) He wants to keep seeing her. Say he can not leave the SO right now because of financial reasons and children, but wants to continue with the SB if she can abide by the conditions. He admits to loving her.
B) He wants out. His SO found out about her (the SB), a PI was hired and followed him and she is ballistic, lawyers are involved, he has to vacate the love nest, assets are on lock down, his money is tied up and he can't afford to pay her or even date. Lawyer told him no contact with SB. . SO is threatening to expose the SB as a "*****" to her program, parents, etc. This will take the drop in at home off the table since he comes clean about the SO.
2) tell the SO: the marriage might make it.
A) wants marriage to last: Prostrate himself and suck it up for a lifetime of ass whipping.
B) doesn't care: Put it out there, express contrition, but don't put up with a lifetime of shit. Get lawyer and let her make a move or not.
3) Claim financial meltdown:
Business has crashed, has no money to see the SB anymore. State that he has to move out of his house ad into an apartment that he can sublet from a friend -or move into a spare bedroom. He has to take a break to get his life together again.
Of course if the SB is batshit crazy he is fucked.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 15:46
Okay, a smart SB who is a Med student and OCD.
Here are the options:
1) tell the SB the story and reason with her. She is smart.
A) He wants to keep seeing her. Say he can not leave the SO right now because of financial reasons and children, but wants to continue with the SB if she can abide by the conditions. He admits to loving her.
B) He wants out. His SO found out about her (the SB), a PI was hired and followed him and she is ballistic, lawyers are involved, he has to vacate the love nest, assets are on lock down, his money is tied up and he can't afford to pay her or even date. Lawyer told him no contact with SB. . SO is threatening to expose the SB as a "*****" to her program, parents, etc. This will take the drop in at home off the table since he comes clean about the SO.
2) tell the SO: the marriage might make it.
A) wants marriage to last: Prostrate himself and suck it up for a lifetime of ass whipping.
B) doesn't care: Put it out there, express contrition, but don't put up with a lifetime of shit. Get lawyer and let her make a move or not.
3) Claim financial meltdown:
Business has crashed, has no money to see the SB anymore. State that he has to move out of his house ad into an apartment that he can sublet from a friend -or move into a spare bedroom. He has to take a break to get his life together again.
Of course if the SB is batshit crazy he is fucked.Option B is a fucking awesome idea! I'd add, SO states if she so much as sees a picture of her, she will turn over the "prostitution emails" to the universe, if she leaves her hubby, she will spare her. This is good stuff. May need a tweak or two, but it's a great idea.
Option B is a fucking awesome idea! I'd add, SO states if she so much as sees a picture of her, she will turn over the "prostitution emails" to the universe, if she leaves her hubby, she will spare her. This is good stuff. May need a tweak or two, but it's a great idea.Danger zone. Females often decide to "bond" in this situation. The SB might just decide she needs to pay the SO a visit to get everything straightened out. She knows that the power of teaming up with another scorned woman against the "villan" (always the man) is a strong strategy, one that's innate to most females. If she can bond with the wife, any threat to her goes away and they can deliver the hubby a double whammy.
Don't be surprised if that's the SBs FIRST instinct, the plan that comes to the mind in the first 60 seconds.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 16:05
Danger zone. Females often decide to "bond" in this situation. The SB might just decide she needs to pay the SO a visit to get everything straightened out. She knows that the power of teaming up with another scorned woman against the "villan" (always the man) is a strong strategy, one that's innate to most females. If she can bond with the wife, any threat to her goes away and they can deliver the hubby a double whammy.
Don't be surprised if that's the SBs FIRST instinct, the plan that comes to the mind in the first 60 seconds.This is why I stated a tweak or two is in order. One of my friends hot woman friends, will play the part and they will meet. She will be sympathetic, but firm over SB's submissive nature and play a "motherly" talk down, "how dare you, grow up, if he or I see you again, this will happen" role.
My friend is at a point where he's already visualizing himself alone, living in a cabin, poor, with an old dog. He's got a lot of resentment built up towards his SO and in some twisted way, he feels like she deserves it. The woman was sexless throughout most of their 20 and 30's and while she worked hard and was always there, she was a cold and distant wife big time. I'd have cheated on her hundreds of times if she was my SO.
This is why I stated a tweak or two is in order. One of my friends hot woman friends, will play the part and they will meet. She will be sympathetic, but firm over SB's submissive nature and play a "motherly" talk down, "how dare you, grow up, if he or I see you again, this will happen" role.
My friend is at a point where he's already visualizing himself alone, living in a cabin, poor, with an old dog. He's got a lot of resentment built up towards his SO and in some twisted way, he feels like she deserves it. The woman was sexless throughout most of their 20 and 30's and while she worked hard and was always there, she was a cold and distant wife big time. I'd have cheated on her hundreds of times if she was my SO.I would have left her on the legal grounds of no sex (alienation of affection or whatever). This would have enabled me to fuck all the women I wanted, guilt free and alimony free. Perhaps even letting the wife help finance my hobby as the court would be working on my behalf instead of hers.
Having someone impersonate the wife is back to complicated plans that are almost sure to fail.
Danger zone. Females often decide to "bond" in this situation. -JL "See The Other Woman" now on cable TV Exactly that!
He is going to have to take some action because both these women have an upper hand. The risk of exposure for the SB is a very real threat, both drugs and escorting. A conversation with the parents and place of employment could rock her world. I wouldn't recommend putting a shill ahead of things acting as the wife. SB might accept that challenge and insert herself into the battle.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 16:14
If he feels the need to come clean with the SO, he should start with first bringing up the issues that led him to wander in the first place. Bringing up the SB relationship makes him lose complete control. Bringing up his concerns he has about the relationship with the SO, but not talking about the SB puts him in the drivers seat.
Maybe it is time to get a divorce, and if he can avoid discussing the arrangement / affair then he will likely be in a better position when it comes time to divvy up the finances. He will of course need to consult with an attorney in his state, but if they both feel the marraige is dead, maybe he can convince the SO to agree to a mutual consent divorce and amicably divide things up. If he comes clean to his SO about the affair / SB, he will need to check with a divorce attorney, but chances are that he will end up in a worse position when division of finances comes up.
Danger zone. Females often decide to "bond" in this situation. -JL "See The Other Woman" now on cable TV Exactly that!
He is going to have to take some action because both these women have an upper hand. The risk of exposure for the SB is a very real threat, both drugs and escorting. A conversation with the parents and place of employment could rock her world. I wouldn't recommend putting a shill ahead of things acting as the wife. SB might accept that challenge and insert herself into the battle.Not only that, but the plan of casting for the role of wife assumes the selected person has a reasonable level of acting skills. Most people can act if they are doing something to save their own ass, but to play a good acting role on someone else's behalf is something not many people do well. Plus, it still assumes that the SB doesn't go to the house while the wife is in town at some point. All she has to do is park her car outside the home to see what the wife looks like for fucks sake. They almost always do this. She's probably already done this.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 16:25
I just did an internet search on me, my address etc. Nothing came up. Linking the two.
Some records are of course publically available, but tracking them down and going throuh all the hassle would normally reuquire legal assistance or the assistance of a private investigator.
The reality is, if a SB wants to find you, she can find you even if she has none of your personal info. She can have a girlfriend tail you after a session in the FC, etc.
Long story short. Try to avoid crazy and give out as little personal info as possible. But the reality is, playing in the bowl is dangerous if you have a SO and / or a career that isn't going to look favorably on the lifestyle. The only foolproof way to completely prevent it is not to play in the bowl.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 16:26
gotta agree here...Involving more people only has the potential to complicate things.
Not only that, but the plan of casting for the role of wife assumes the selected person has a reasonable level of acting skills. Most people can act if they are doing something to save their own ass, but to play a good acting role on someone else's behalf is something not many people do well. Plus, it still assumes that the SB doesn't go to the house while the wife is in town at some point. All she has to do is park her car outside the home to see what the wife looks like for fucks sake. They almost always do this. She's probably already done this.
I just did an internet search on me, my address etc. Nothing came up. Linking the two.
Go to your county website and do a real property lookup. All you need is someone's last name. Not all counties make it easy but most do. For the ones that don't, I can often hack in. She probably knows someone who can find out.
Or has a hundred bucks to an private investigator.
Involving more people only has the potential to complicate things.Yep. More moving parts = more opportunity for failure.
Danger zone. Females often decide to "bond" in this situation. -JL "See The Other Woman" now on cable TV Exactly that!
I had to look this up after you mentioned it. Very appropriate reference! LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDcaZ3StTfI
Man, I can remember back when Cameron Diaz still looked good. I'd still fuck her but might need a burlap bag and a lot of beer.
DirtyDeeds38
03-11-15, 16:30
Friend just left me a voicemail. He impulsively has just met with SB and did his best breakdown and described a sad life to her with his SO. Explained to her that he was never supposed to fall in love with her, but he did, fed her a plethora of compliments. She first got in his face and screamed, "you played me, I will fucking ruin you, I loved you, you were my life love, I dreamed of you every day, I will not rest until I have destroyed you. You are the fifth man in a row who played me like this. " She got in her car and left and then ten minutes later came back crying her eyes out and said she would not ruin his life. He offered her a check for $2500 and she refused it, said she only wanted his love etc. She asked him to promise to still try with her and to eventually leave his wife.
He also played a card, that she had told him, if he had a serious girlfriend, or SO, she did not want to know about it. But that was when they first met, things changed. Lots of lies in the mix on his part, big time lies, but it seems she might understand. If this girl holds true and is not just caught up in her current emotional state and does not ruin his life, I would say he might have himself a real gem. Most girls are not that loyal. I still think once reality and her jealousy sets in, she shows up at his door. He played his hand, now he can live with it. I tried!
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 16:32
If the SD was smart enough to keep the new address from the stalker SB, how would she know what county to search in?
And yes, if she really wanted to find him, she wouldn't need the internet. But that applies to all of us. Regardless of how careful we may be.
gotta agree here...Involving more people only has the potential to complicate things.
Go to your county website and do a real property lookup. All you need is someone's last name. Not all counties make it easy but most do. For the ones that don't, I can often hack in. She probably knows someone who can find out.
Or has a hundred bucks to an private investigator.
If the SD was smart enough to keep the new address from the stalker SB, how would she know what county to search in?
She already knows his address, that's the point. He made that part really easy for her. Even if he hadn't, the fact that he rented a place for her made it possible for her to find his address.
Friend just left me a voicemail. He impulsively has just met with SB and did his best breakdown and described a sad life to her with his SO. Explained to her that he was never supposed to fall in love with her, but he did, fed her a plethora of compliments. She first got in his face and screamed, "you played me, I will fucking ruin you, I loved you, you were my life love, I dreamed of you every day, I will not rest until I have destroyed you. You are the fifth man in a row who played me like this. " She got in her car and left and then ten minutes later came back crying her eyes out and said she would not ruin his life. He offered her a check for $2500 and she refused it, said she only wanted his love etc. She asked him to promise to still try with her and to eventually leave his wife.
He also played a card, that she had told him, if he had a serious girlfriend, or SO, she did not want to know about it. But that was when they first met, things changed. Lots of lies in the mix on his part, big time lies, but it seems she might understand. If this girl holds true and is not just caught up in her current emotional state and does not ruin his life, I would say he might have himself a real gem. Most girls are not that loyal. I still think once reality and her jealousy sets in, she shows up at his door. He played his hand, now he can live with it. I tried!He's in deeper than ever now. The one silver lining is that she said this is like the fifth time. So by now, she is either a serial extortionist or she has learned how to cope. Being one or the other never guarantees she won't fuck him up with the SO, but of course the coper is preferable.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 16:47
I understand that she has the current address. Now that she has it, he is eternally screwed so long as he lives at that address. The SB will always have leverage so long as he wants to be with his SO. Even years later, if she needs fast cash, he is always extortion bait.
This is why I suggessted moving to a new address. If he moves and she doesn't have the new address, she can't find him without going to more extreme options.
She already knows his address, that's the point. He made that part really easy for her. Even if he hadn't, the fact that he rented a place for her made it possible for her to find his address.
I understand that she has the current address. Now that she has it, he is eternally screwed so long as he lives at that address. The SB will always have leverage so long as he wants to be with his SO. Even years later, if she needs fast cash, he is always extortion bait.
This is why I suggessted moving to a new address. If he moves and she doesn't have the new address, she can't find him without going to more extreme options.I think you're saying if he moves to another county. Well that in itself is a very extreme and costly option, especially since he would probably be sitting in a house with a For Sale sign out in front for potentially months, putting pressure on the SB to hurry up and get up the courage to act. And then, after all of the time and expense to move, if she's really lost she can spend a few bucks to hire a detective to find him in five minutes.
If he rented instead of bought, and didn't register vehicles and such in the new county, it might slow down the efforts a little bit but that's about it.
So now he has a little bit of control back. He is certainly open to Blackmail but if this SB loves him and he still wants to see her (and loves her) he might continue to have his cake and eat it too. Who knows? He might dump his nonperforming wife someday and end up married to a Doctor who can support him. LOL.
Actually, we all know what will happen. The new SO (old SB) will sabotage the relationship once she has him under her thumb and will cut him off. So he will get himself an SB to screw when his SO is on call at the hospital Oh what a wicked web we weave.
Friend just left me a voicemail. He impulsively has just met with SB and did his best breakdown and described a sad life to her with his SO. Explained to her that he was never supposed to fall in love with her, but he did, fed her a plethora of compliments. She first got in his face and screamed, "you played me, I will fucking ruin you, I loved you, you were my life love, I dreamed of you every day, I will not rest until I have destroyed you. You are the fifth man in a row who played me like this. " She got in her car and left and then ten minutes later came back crying her eyes out and said she would not ruin his life. He offered her a check for $2500 and she refused it, said she only wanted his love etc. She asked him to promise to still try with her and to eventually leave his wife.
He also played a card, that she had told him, if he had a serious girlfriend, or SO, she did not want to know about it. But that was when they first met, things changed. Lots of lies in the mix on his part, big time lies, but it seems she might understand. If this girl holds true and is not just caught up in her current emotional state and does not ruin his life, I would say he might have himself a real gem. Most girls are not that loyal. I still think once reality and her jealousy sets in, she shows up at his door. He played his hand, now he can live with it. I tried!If your Friend is indeed the "Fifth Man" then that implies the the SB moves along to the next SD pretty quick. That could be good or bad depending on how much future contact your Friend ultimately wants with her.
IluvSmellyFish
03-11-15, 19:34
FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.
So now he has a little bit of control back. He is certainly open to Blackmail but if this SB loves him and he still wants to see her (and loves her) he might continue to have his cake and eat it too. Who knows? He might dump his nonperforming wife someday and end up married to a Doctor who can support him. LOL.
Actually, we all know what will happen. The new SO (old SB) will sabotage the relationship once she has him under her thumb and will cut him off. So he will get himself an SB to screw when his SO is on call at the hospital Oh what a wicked web we weave.
FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.And maybe here lies the answer.
HollywoodGuy
03-12-15, 03:16
So back to the grindstone. I did a "no sex, no money" M&G with the flag girl that flaked on me last night. We had a pleasant lunch and she was sexy, but 21 not 19. She wasn't jumping into anything too fast either. Maybe see her again.
Also I,ve been on SA long enough to see the level of GPS there is much higher than SD4M. On SD4M I would call $$$ high. On SA it more like five bills to 1 K a date GPS. And some of those girls are 10+'s. So at five I am sure they do get it from time to time or even more.
DirtyDeeds38
03-12-15, 13:58
FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.
I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.
IluvSmellyFish
03-12-15, 16:01
I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.
So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.
Just my 2 cents.
Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.
I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.
I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.
So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.
Just my 2 cents.Totally agree, but I would make a small correction to your statement regarding the pot vs. Average woman and mental problems. I would posit that a high percentage of all American women have mental problems and instability. I blame it on the fact that all of our laws coddle the American woman like she is this fragile angel from heaven that must be babied. It has made the women weak, self serving, and entitled. That is why I went to China to find a SO back in the day. Any and all American women IMO will do a 180 degree on you and cut your throat and then cry fowl that you hurt her feelings and our society falls in line looking at us like men are heathens. I really don't have a lot of patience for the bull* these women pull in the bowl. I've seen my share of flakes in the bowl. I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.
HollywoodGuy
03-13-15, 02:22
I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.Or a Hollywood second. LOL. I am sure I have never intentionally screwed any girl over. But shit happens, usually to me. Anyway I been working the teens on SA. So far I really just have one that I like and will see her again Saturday. I haven't really made any instant connections yet, although my first date with her was pretty hot sexually. So she is in the lead so far. Hope to get a couple pics of her to post. Supposed to see the tiny dancer tomorrow. She is so cool (brrrr). Hope I can warm her up. But in seven years of doing this I have always done best with the ones that seemed to go easy. Most of my game is right up front or in the FC. So if I get stuck in the middle somewhere it can get a little awkward for me. But our date tomorrow is an FC date. No regulars to see this weekend so I need to just get out there. I finally 100% officially broke up with my MILF of 3 years. In the bowl that must be almost a lifetime. In this bowl with these players that is.
HWG you never cease to amaze me with your game.
My small contribution is I have two teens, although one of them turns 20 next week, so I guess it is one teen and one post teen. The teen and I will be in the FC tonight. The post teen I will meet the first time in a few days. Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl. Both hot and am looking forward to it. There are a couple of others in their twenties that are in play.
Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl.Haven't posted in awhile because not much has changed. My SB and I are on a pay-for-certain-expenses arrangement, and she basically considers me a boyfriend. Given recent history on this thread that would seem a red flag, but she has never wavered in demonstrating that she understands that there is no long-term future there. So she is enjoying it while she can, and both of us can only hope that when it ends that the loss will heal quickly. The pain will be on both sides, though my feelings are mostly of simple affection, empathy, and the emotional investment of a mentor. I have made a point to be careful in how I express affection, and she's observant enough to have gotten the message.
Meanwhile, the times in the FC continue to be a fountain of youth. The reason I post now is because I have the same thing going on with the dichotomy of her public appearance versus what happens when the panties hit the floor. You'd really never give this girl a second look if you bumped into her in a grocery store. Not unattractive at all, but very plain place and shy demeanor. If you paid attention you might notice that under the intentionally-not-too-flattering clothing there is one hell of a lithe body, but other than that not much to get on most guys' radar. But holy crap, it's not easy keeping up with this girl.
So I have gone from my cup running over to slim pickin's. Why?
This is what happens when you get caught by the SO. I am in a high risk situation, SO on high alert, money being watched. So I am looking for an UTR who is low volume. And it is hard to find. They are either Hos full on or Princesses who are in the "I'm not a Ho " mode. I still have a 40 yr old 9/9/7/7 who is entertaining and a super nice girl. I could enjoy dating her IRL actually. But I need that 20 yr old BB sexual freak to satisfy that edge. I need her dripping wet, not perimenopausal, screaming and bucking with surprise when her Orgasms sneak up on her, not just -aaah! LOL. You get the picture.
The problem is I can't date. I don't travel for work, and don't have any plausible excuse to be out of touch for hours at a time. You just have to be able to take them out, or at least take them to a nice residence or Hotel, have a glass of wine, and slowly get into the routine. I can't even go pick these college girls up at the Dorm because they don't have a car, etc.
So unless things loosen up I might be phasing out of the Sugar world. But every blue moon I have success finding an SB who is OK with going strait to the FC. So I keep looking.
So my advice to the Board out there is Dont get caught !
Thanks to one of the brothers I discovered how to search FB once I have a phone # and went through my entire black book. 50 % were identifiable and their whole FB profile there for all to see. Real name, family, etc. If only they knew what we can find out. And I'm sure if you sign up for some of these spy programs a lot more is discoverable. I'm sure a lot of you have been doing that already.
HollywoodGuy
03-13-15, 10:53
So I have gone from my cup running over to slim pickin's. Why?
This is what happens when you get caught by the SO. I am in a high risk situation, SO on high alert, money being watched. So I am looking for an UTR who is low volume. And it is hard to find. They are either Hos full on or Princesses who are in the "I'm not a Ho " mode. I still have a 40 yr old 9/9/7/7 who is entertaining and a super nice girl. I could enjoy dating her IRL actually. But I need that 20 yr old BB sexual freak to satisfy that edge. I need her dripping wet, not perimenopausal, screaming and bucking with surprise when her Orgasms sneak up on her, not just -aaah! LOL. You get the picture.
The problem is I can't date. I don't travel for work, and don't have any plausible excuse to be out of touch for hours at a time. You just have to be able to take them out, or at least take them to a nice residence or Hotel, have a glass of wine, and slowly get into the routine. I can't even go pick these college girls up at the Dorm because they don't have a car, etc.
So unless things loosen up I might be phasing out of the Sugar world. But every blue moon I have success finding an SB who is OK with going strait to the FC. So I keep looking.
So my advice to the Board out there is Dont get caught !I was married before and I know that once you get into a sexual routine with your SO it can be hard to switch it up. When I was married, the attraction level for my SO was always high, so that wasnt an issue. But switching things up in the FC wasn't always so easy. I know that what some "experts" will say though, is to do just that. Easier said than done. But worth a try? I mean if you really are stuck you might have to make the most of what you have.
Shop for some sexy outfits yourself online and surprise her with a night at a motel. Bring the outfits, some food and drink to the room and go for it. Treat her like the little love toy she was when you married her. Just a thought. I'm no Dr. Ruth. And this is a thread about fucking SB's not SO's. But I sympathize. I used to do this about once a month back in the day. And to this day they are still some of the most memorable moments I had with her.
Another tactic, but a more dangerous one, and one I have done with SB's as well, is to start a fake fight so you can have make-up sex. Its a short term fix that never lasts. But hey when you're desperate you"ll do what it takes to get what you need.
HollywoodGuy
03-13-15, 19:13
I,m bored. LOL. I am trying to be far more selective than in the past. I really need to get back to spinner world. I am so spoiled by my ATF that the bar is just very high right now. She is 25 but acts more like 18 (which I like). I am trying to work all the teens on SA. Soon there wont be any left. But all I need is one or two more like her and I am set for now. I am saving money, but dating less. Today I turned down a date with the tiny dancer just because I need to rest. I hate that. You can't tell a girl "oh sorry, I had too much sex lately". Not a real good come on line.
You can't tell a girl "oh sorry, I had too much sex lately". Not a real good come on line.Heh, I recently had one of those rare opportunities for an overnight that ended up tanking for a multitude of reasons. But I got to say, I'm not sure I could go at it all night like we've done in the past (or at least until 3 AM). Too stressed, too overtired, perhaps too old. Probably a combination of all of the above.
HollywoodGuy
03-13-15, 20:31
Heh, I recently had one of those rare opportunities for an overnight that ended up tanking for a multitude of reasons. But I got to say, I'm not sure I could go at it all night like we've done in the past (or at least until 3 AM). Too stressed, too overtired, perhaps too old. Probably a combination of all of the above.I limit myself to once a day. One to two hour sessions. If I do that I am good for about 20-25 times a month. If I went all night, I would have to take a day or two off. Quality over quantity these days. Plus I try to get to sleep by midnite, every nite. Tomorrow I have an FC date at noon. And a M&G at nite with a tiny milf. Hope shes tiny. LOL. And who knows what she is gonna want to do.
IluvSmellyFish
03-13-15, 22:11
It really is amazing how much information some of these girls put out there. I always conduct an internet background check if the m&g turns into something more. I want to know whether the girl is being remotely honest, or whether she will be sending a text to her friends with our hotel room number and a four of her guy friends show up knocking on the door while I am in mid act. There was one pot who had a Facebook page with a profile pic of her kissing a guy with a shotgun. I presumed it was her boyfriend or husband. I cancelled the m&g.
Along the lines of the discussion thread related to private and public persona though, some of these young ladies have public social media profiles that would make you wonder how they ended up on a sugar daddy site. I think someone mentioned it before, but it really does seem like it is becoming some sort of rite of passage for these young girls. Bagging a SD appears to be on the list of things to check off the list, like hooking up with another girl, etc. , while these girls are in college or before they get married.
Recently though I've found that sometimes running across a girl's fb page can be distracting. For example, when a 19 year old's biological dad posts on a the SBs fb page about how proud he is of her. I've found that it can be slightly jarring when that 19 year old is begging you to try anal for the first time.
When that happened, I thought to myself, I am probably just as proud of this sweet young thing as her biological dad, just for very different reasons.
Happy hunting gents.
Thanks to one of the brothers I discovered how to search FB once I have a phone # and went through my entire black book. 50 % were identifiable and their whole FB profile there for all to see. Real name, family, etc. If only they knew what we can find out. And I'm sure if you sign up for some of these spy programs a lot more is discoverable. I'm sure a lot of you have been doing that already.
DirtyDeeds38
03-13-15, 22:34
I limit myself to once a day. One to two hour sessions. If I do that I am good for about 20-25 times a month. If I went all night, I would have to take a day or two off. Quality over quantity these days. Plus I try to get to sleep by midnite, every nite. Tomorrow I have an FC date at noon. And a M&G at nite with a tiny milf. Hope shes tiny. LOL. And who knows what she is gonna want to do.We all slow down and that's a reality I'm facing myself. My current SB, literally can go non stop. The only way I can be assured I might have a chance at a needed break, is to literally make sure her pussy is sore for a day. No, not so much with my cock, as it's not that huge, but a combination of finger the living shit out of her, toys and fucking her hard. It actually pisses me off a bit when I run into these girls who never can get enough and feel totally content. As in they just cum forever and never stop. While it's great for ego mid way, to think how you're giving some girl all these screaming O's as I huff and puff and gasp for air after an hour of fingering and fucking the shit out of her and finally allow myself to cum, out of a necessity to simply get some oxygen, and then ten minutes later she's fingering herself, screaming, "fuck my pussy, I need your cum" it sucks to realize in that moment what you would not give to be 22 again.
Fortunately, most of these girls do not require that sort of attention to feel satisfied, but fuck, I seem to keep running into them.
I mean, these nympho girls are great, but honestly, sometimes the ones that have a few intense O's and lay their in the afterglow and want to be cuddled are nice.
BeardedMan67
03-13-15, 22:57
So my SB had to cancel this week because her mother was sick and she couldn't get away (she lives at home 18 yo college student). I was ok with that and understand. I happened to check SA today and in the town where I see my SB a new gorgeous 18 yo pops up. I had let my subscription to SA expire so I couldn't contact her. Today was chatting with my SB and asking her what she wanted to do since we missed our normal date. She doesn't have much time this weekend and just wanted to meet for a couple of minutes at a truck stop for some car action. I really wasn't into paying for just a couple of minutes. In between texting her I noticed the new girl on SA and wondered if they might know each other. I snapped a photo from SA and sent it to my SB asking do you know her. In her profile it says they go to the same community college. In less than 2 secs she responds ,"yes that is my best friend."I texted I assume you know she is on SA. She texted back "Yes- I told her about it!!LOL." Immediately my mind started working. I texted that opens up some interesting possibilities. She typed back she is not like that. I went on texting my SB and we set up a makeup time on Monday. I texted her you should talk to your friend- threesomes could be fun! She immediately typed back- what would be the benefits for us. $$ She wanted to know how much. I shot her a number slightly higher than normal and the same amount for your friend. Within about 10 minutes my SB texted back,"OK She is in and will come with me on Monday! " Wow!! Two 18 year old beautiful girls--I may have a MI but I would go happy!! Hoping I can get some photos, my SB doesn't care, hoping the new girl will just take her cues from my SB and not say a thing!! Going to be hard to wait until Monday! I do think this is something this newer generation of girls just see it as a way to make some extra cash.
BeardedMan67
03-13-15, 23:03
So my SB had to cancel this week because her mother was sick and she couldn't get away (she lives at home 18 yo college student). I was ok with that and understand. I happened to check SA today and in the town where I see my SB a new gorgeous 18 yo pops up. I had let my subscription to SA expire so I couldn't contact her. Today was chatting with my SB and asking her what she wanted to do since we missed our normal date. She doesn't have much time this weekend and just wanted to meet for some a couple of minutes at a truck stop for some car action. I really wasn't into paying for just a couple of minutes. In between texting her I noticed the new girl on SA and wondered if they might know each other. I snapped a photo from SA and sent it to my SB asking do you know her. In her profile it says they go to the same community college. In less than 2 secs she responds yes that is my best friend. I texted I assume you know she is on SA. She texted back Yes- I told her about it!!LOL. Immediately my mind started working. I texted that opens up some interesting possibilities. She typed back she is not like that. I went on texting my SB and we set up a makeup time on Monday. I texted her you should talk to your friend- threesomes could be fun! She immediately typed back- what would be the benefits for us. $$ She wanted to know how much. I shot her a number slightly higher than normal and the same amount for your friend. Within about 10 minutes my SB texted back" OK She is in and will come with me on Monday! " Wow!! Two 18 year old beautiful girls--I may have a MI but I would go happy!! Hoping I can get some photos, my SB doesn't care, hoping the new girl will just take her cues from my SB and not say a thing!! Going to be hard to wait until Monday!
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 00:15
We all slow down and that's a reality I'm facing myself. My current SB, literally can go non stop. The only way I can be assured I might have a chance at a needed break, is to literally make sure her pussy is sore for a day. No, not so much with my cock, as it's not that huge, but a combination of finger the living shit out of her, toys and fucking her hard. It actually pisses me off a bit when I run into these girls who never can get enough and feel totally content. As in they just cum forever and never stop. While it's great for ego mid way, to think how you're giving some girl all these screaming O's as I huff and puff and gasp for air after an hour of fingering and fucking the shit out of her and finally allow myself to cum, out of a necessity to simply get some oxygen, and then ten minutes later she's fingering herself, screaming, "fuck my pussy, I need your cum" it sucks to realize in that moment what you would not give to be 22 again.
Fortunately, most of these girls do not require that sort of attention to feel satisfied, but fuck, I seem to keep running into them.
I mean, these nympho girls are great, but honestly, sometimes the ones that have a few intense O's and lay their in the afterglow and want to be cuddled are nice.I know. Be careful what you wish for right?. I went from my x, the stripper princess (who was mostly smoke and not enough fire), to my current ATF who is always on fire. Although we have finally found our groove.
Here is one amazing catch I just started messaging. Just a little back and forth so far. I am trying to get her to consider me. Another dancer. I should be so lucky. And she lives right nearby. The real dancers are tough. All they do is practice and they seem to mostly be introverted/shy? At least around me. IDK. So far no real luck.
This is a topic that probably every SD thinks about. Well every male thinks about it at some point, but what I mean is SDs think about it more because of the age difference between ourselves and those we are banging.
What I have found personally over time is that our sexual performance and our sex drive are two completely different things that may not even be linked at all. Maybe it varies on an individual basis? In my own case, I feel like my sexual performance is affected by a number of things, but the #1 factor is my exercise performance. As long as I exercise "optimally", I feel I perform my best. What is "performance"? Well, being able to fuck with the same enthusiasm that *I WOULD LIKE TO*. Do you see what I did there? I differentiated performance from drive again. How I do it, and how much I want to do it are two different things. Won't I be happiest, or at least feel the best, if I maximize both? In other words, feel like I want to fuck constantly, while being able to deliver the goods just as often?
Well human limitations aside (I. E. We all get overworked, tired, distracted, stressed with life's issues, etc). I can only relay to the fellowship of the bowl my own experiences, and that is that my own sex DRIVE seems to be 80/20% psychological, while my PERFORMANCE seems to be 80/20% physical.
I've never used performance enhancing drugs (not yet). Maybe I will someday. Some guys 20 years younger than me use them. I don't think it was an option for me at that age. The drugs themselves may have existed, but I didn't pay enough attention to them because I figured if I wanted to fuck my dick would get hard, and if not it wouldn't.
I've told myself the time to try them would be when my drive outweighs my performance ability. If my performance ability outweighs my drive, there's no deficit, right? I mean, it implies I can do way more than I want to do. But, if I my drive outweighs my ability to perform, Houston we have a problem. Maybe chemicals can then help?
So, here I want to focus on two different things. First, actual performance.
I once asked a SB (one that I never had a M&G with) if she preferred younger or older guys. She said "just for sex I like guys my age because they fuck me harder. Sometimes older guys are too gentle. But for overall boyfriends I like older guys -- it's more than just a sexual attraction, it's how they make me feel overall".
As I said, I never fucked that particular one -- but, if I know they like to be fucked hard, I fuck them hard. Not all women or SBs like this, though. Someone recently wrote about women always wanting whatever they don't have, and that more accurately reflects what I've found. When I was younger, I experimented a lot. Do they like it hard and fast or slower and sensual? It's all over the map, and no matter what you will meet a certain percentage of girls who tell you that everything you do is perfect, and you'll meet a certain percentage that complain at every possible opportunity.
Even if it hasn't been discussed, some of them are quick to let you know what they want, grabbing your ass cheeks upon the first really vigorous thrust and encouraging a good hard fucking early on. To me, this is somewhat of a let down, because unfortunately I've found that faster, more vigorous motion tends to have kind of a numbing effect on me (or I should say on the nerve endings in my cock). If they want me to go all night without being able to cum, this is a good approach. But for me, a certain amount of rough, robotic pounding just starts to feel too mechanical (even with position switch ups), and before I know it I'm stuck with a stiff cock that feels like it got an injection of Novocain.
Then again, it depends on the girl, the mood, the amount of alcohol we've both had. HWG talked about make-up fucks after a fight--good times can be had here, and sometimes a fight leading into a sort of an aggressive hate-fuck can be very exciting. But, making hard-pounding a routine can get boring just as any other predetermined formula for sex can.
Back to what we, as SDs need to do.
Performance -- I feel this is directly related to exercise and circulatory health. Building your endurance at the gym pays off big time in bed, not just in the direct ways you might think. By this I'm talking pure cardio-related stuff, running / cycling / etc. Think about your heart as the engine that powers the drive train (your cock). All of the other types of exercises (lifting weights etc.) help with that too (assuming you don't do it to the point of injury), and maybe certain types of muscle exercises help more than others, but ultimately you need good blood flow and a heart that can keep up with the boner, so try focusing on that.
Drive -- This is almost certainly enhanced by the exercise I mentioned above. I know that I definitely get hornier more often when I'm in better shape than when I get slack. But, low drive in itself isn't really a problem, is it? If you don't want it as bad, then especially for those with an SO, is that really a problem? I mean, it is our drive that gets us into problems in the first place, right? I said before, performance is mostly physical and drive is mostly psychological. This means that if your drive is working overtime but your life or finances do not support what your drive wants you to do, your solution is probably easier than you think. Modify your way of thinking and it's problem solved. If your drive is already through the roof, but your performance does not support the level of your drive, then it's a problem worth trying to solve. I would just suggest solving via exercise before chemicals.
The biggest problem I've found in my SB travels is simply one of timing. During my last SB season, I had my first-ever M&G that didn't end up in the FC. And, it was a blue-ball experience because I wanted her bad. So the next morning I got a table shower / tuggy at an AMP to alleviate my stress from the night before. That night, I met the SB of all SBs and had an all-nighter with her. I was good for two rounds, my energy level was not up to hers because I had blown the big load in the morning. How can I prevent something like that from happening? I had no idea the second SB would show up at all, much less be a 10 across the board. I can't prevent that from happening. Timing is as timing does.
So, I'm not here to badmouth performance enhancers. I've already conceded they may be in my future. I've been curious about them for ages. But, I feel like once I go that route, I have one less reason to bust my ass at the gym. Most of the time, once we introduce a physiological change via an external chemical, we become dependent on that chemical to produce future similar results. How many people use ED drugs once or twice to get past a rut, then never use them again? Almost nobody. This is the whole intention of the pharmaceutical industry. So, for that reason, I see these as a last resort for me. I will not take them in order to make feel like fucking. I might take them in order to make me fuck like I did when I was younger, but I'm not going to take them just so I can revisit feelings I had when I was younger.
Slowing down is going to happen to all of us, eventually. To me, it's all about putting that day off as long as possible. So far, exercise has been my savior. I like it because I have an actual measurable metric to compare my current self to my younger self. I know how much weight I could lift when I was 20. I know how far and fast I could run. Right now, I can still match my physical performance from those days (maybe I'm pushing myself closer to death without realizing it, but at least I can match the numbers). When I see those measurable metrics change, then I will know it's time to decide to either enslave myself to the mad scientists and CEO extortionists of the pharmaceutical industry, or simply re-adjust my own definition of happiness to accept aging gracefully.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 04:13
My drive exceeds my performance. Technically I could have a babe or two a day for the rest of my life. Maybe I,m blessed. But hey this is L. A. The land of unending pussy. Always has been always will be. So now what?. I aim to keep my drive high but temper it with the thought of outrageous pussy bills I don't want to pay. I don't really work out anymore but I have almost zero body fat (like 15%) and do a lot of stair climbing everyday. Watch a bit of live porn and talk to a lot of girls on a daily basis.
So I figured out I can throw a good fuck (like an hour say) 20-25 days a month. At one point I was on HGH, Test cream and vitamin see daily. And still am, minus the HGH (costs 1 k-2 k a month at a USA pharmacy). So my performance is adequate. All my SB's are amazed. LOL. I usually just end it due to boredom. An hour of fucking is enough. Throw in a half hour or so of oral and I am done.
For the SB, an hour of sex from an older guy is 5 times better than any amount time with a younger guy. They just don't know the lay of the land. So I feel I am balancing it all to the best of my ability. This is a real quality problem for sure. Now its come down to the quality of my partner as well. She has to have skills, looks and personality for it to be an optimum experience. My ATF has sworn to suck my dick as much as I want whenever I want, to make sure I don't fall down on the job. It's very helpful. Like if she has a big O and needs a rest she can do it while sucking so there is no break in the action.
A new girl may have to do less, but over time she is going to have to lend a helping hand (or mouth and tongue) here and there. I have always been very pro drug use. When I was young I used illegal drugs to enhance the experience. Now I don't take those anymore and just stick to what the DR ordered. Of course with an ATF or reliable provider you know what you are going to get and that helps me to be ready as well. They know what I want and need. Probably any half decent looking spinner will have a similar effect.
So if I take my prescriptions, and only fuck spinners with good skills and personality, then I am fine. Also in my case a lot of role play and dirty talk work wonders as well. But I really do measure the time between sex so as to get the most out of it. And yeah sometimes I have to totally stop for a day or two.
It really is amazing how much information some of these girls put out there. I always conduct an internet background check if the m&g turns into something more. I want to know whether the girl is being remotely honest, or whether she will be sending a text to her friends with our hotel room number and a four of her guy friends show up knocking on the door while I am in mid act. There was one pot who had a Facebook page with a profile pic of her kissing a guy with a shotgun. I presumed it was her boyfriend or husband. I cancelled the m&g.
Along the lines of the discussion thread related to private and public persona though, some of these young ladies have public social media profiles that would make you wonder how they ended up on a sugar daddy site. I think someone mentioned it before, but it really does seem like it is becoming some sort of rite of passage for these young girls. Bagging a SD appears to be on the list of things to check off the list, like hooking up with another girl, etc. , while these girls are in college or before they get married.
Recently though I've found that sometimes running across a girl's fb page can be distracting. For example, when a 19 year old's biological dad posts on a the SBs fb page about how proud he is of her. I've found that it can be slightly jarring when that 19 year old is begging you to try anal for the first time.
When that happened, I thought to myself, I am probably just as proud of this sweet young thing as her biological dad, just for very different reasons.
Happy hunting gents.Now this is funny. I almost spit my coffee out when I got to the biological dad part.
Now this is funny. I almost spit my coffee out when I got to the biological dad part.Yes it is funny, and I've actually seen similar (biological dad posting about how proud he was of his princess). I wanted to post an SD follow-up to his comment that said "I agree, I'm pretty proud of her too".
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 14:15
I bet a lot of these younger girls are thinking this. Pulled it off this girls twitter I saw the other day. "I just wish I could meet a guy my age that was cute & wealthy & not socially awkward".
And there you have it. Once they totally get over the fact that its not likely to happen. They stay in the bowl.
Thought you were due an update. Especially since I just met this girl yesterday. After months. To be fair, I was out of town for much of it. She texted me several times asking for $ because she was so desperate. I didn't respond to them immediately, and when I did I told her everything would be okay and to hang in there. And when I return we will get together and I will help her out.
We had a long text chain where she was asking me what my visit to her place would entail. What she should be ready for? It was occasionally flirty but not overtly. So I finally make it over to her tiny studio and call her to let me in. She's crying. She asks for 5 more minutes to get ready and if I could pick her up an energy drink from the store because she has been up all night. I do.
Once inside, she sobs and tells me about her woes (again) and how she just wants to create her art and nobody supports her. I console her with a gentle back rub and stroke her hair and the back of her neck. She is still putting on makeup while crying. I tell her everything will be okay and offer her suggestions about ways she can generate a revenue stream. Modeling and stuff. But she will have to be patient because those avenues take a long time to travel. I ask her how she is making an income now. And she says she dances once a week and hates it. Bingo.
Now I've been there 30 minutes and she has to walk her dog, so I go with her. She is wearing a tight dress and heels and walking this little dog around the neighborhood and turning heads, because she is tight. We get back to her place and she thanks me for helping her out and offering suggestions and asks if I can please keep her in mind for any job because she doesn't have any money at all right now and her car died, so she can't even get to the strip club. And starts crying again and asks for a loan. I reassure her again and tell her I don't give loans and usually when I help a girl financially, we are either dating or in an intimate relationship, even if it is just FWB. Then she says the seven words we all love to hear.
"What I need is a Sugar Daddy".
Without hesitation, I take her hand and look in her eyes and say "I can be that for you. ".
It perks her up. She tells me how she will do anything if she just had five thousand dollars so she could concentrate on her art. I told her yeah, that's not going to happen. She asks how much and I tell her between 500 and 1200 a month depending on the frequency of how much she can meet. How many times would we have to meet for 1200? 3 times a week. And she gets out her calculator app on her phone. "I make three times that dancing at the club!" I responded that she should just work at the club more then. She sighed and asked if I could leave her money today, and I said yes. Then she got up to change into a little pink teddy. She easily is one of the top five hottest chicks I've ever been with. When she released those 38 DD natural boobs she said "these are worth more than 300 a week" and I replied "regardless, that's what the market supports. ".
To be honest, it was a little awkward. She wasn't relaxed. Her place is tiny and uncomfortable. Afterward, she promised she would get better and was grateful for the gift. I was grateful too. She is built like a super-hero. 38DD-28-38. Amazing. Anyway, just wanted to share and say "thanks" for the help.
I would just say something like "I have helped out a few girls with their problems over the years, even financial ones, but we were dating. I,m not saying that's what you had in mind, but I just wanted to put it out there.
If that seems a little too forward, lets just have a look at those bills and see if we can prioritize them in a way that's not so scary. But I'm interested if you are".
And then shut up.
Sounds like something a little too close to civi dating and I doubt I could pull this off. But the cut to the chase approach works a good percentage of the time.
I bet a lot of these younger girls are thinking this. Pulled it off this girls twitter I saw the other day. "I just wish I could meet a guy my age that was cute & wealthy & not socially awkward".
And there you have it. Once they totally get over the fact that its not likely to happen. They stay in the bowl.Exactly. They're not going to find it.
Had my first M & G last night with my teen. I can't do the scale because I can't recall where I saw it at in past pages. Anyway a spinner. About 5'3" at best and 100 lb. Cute little thing. Mature for her age, which was nice. I guess when your first job was at 14 one tends to grow up fast. Rents a house with her girlfriend. How many teen girls are that responsible? I was impressed. Went out and had Chinese food then back to her place. Talked a little then got right to it. Tight little thing. Had to be careful not to hurt her, and I'm not hung like a horse either. Just tight pussy. She's a keeper. Not an airhead either. Tonight a pot first M & G again with the other teen I mentioned the other day. I couldn't wait til Monday. Pushing for a tonight meet up. I changed my mind on the Monday meet. Got to strike while the iron is hot. These young ones as we know have a high tendency to flake.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 16:52
Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience). I could train her slowly to follow my script and she did her best, but for now I am undecided. About 5'4" 100 lbs, 19 and a nice girl. About a 7 all around. I might maybe see her again as she drives and just came straight to my house. No drama from her. Just not all that I need to be really turned on. Probably need to stick to the black girls to really keep me going. I really didn't want to see her at noon. But that was the only time she could make it and I just had to see how I felt about her. She has an interesting appeal. I guess the chemistry wasnt all there even though I wanted it to be.
I was going to start a spreadsheet and check my biorhythms and see if that had any effect on my desire. And then how my performance was in relation to that. This week I find I am just a little down. Whenever that happens I get all paranoid and think, OMG this is it, I am officially over the hill, but then I bounce back a day or two later. I dont wanna get too hung up on my ATF. So the search continues. My three regulars are an eclectic and congenial group. Not a hater or jealous one in the group. I could get a big house in vegas (its so damn cheap to live there) and then live with all three of them and start some kind of internet reality show. LOL
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 17:44
Here are two willing POTS. Miss crossed legs (kinda bony the way I like em) says she is good for a $ (looks to be a real SB). The other one (UTR) says $$ for the first date and then a $. Thats not likely to happen but she has some awesome lips. White girls just don't have the lips. LOL.
Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience). I could train her slowly to follow my script and she did her best, but for now I am undecided. About 5'4" 100 lbs, 19 and a nice girl. About a 7 all around. I might maybe see her again as she drives and just came straight to my house. No drama from her. Just not all that I need to be really turned on. Probably need to stick to the black girls to really keep me going. I really didn't want to see her at noon. But that was the only time she could make it and I just had to see how I felt about her. She has an interesting appeal. I guess the chemistry wasnt all there even though I wanted it to be.
I was going to start a spreadsheet and check my biorhythms and see if that had any effect on my desire. And then how my performance was in relation to that. This week I find I am just a little down. Whenever that happens I get all paranoid and think, OMG this is it, I am officially over the hill, but then I bounce back a day or two later. I dont wanna get too hung up on my ATF. So the search continues. My three regulars are an eclectic and congenial group. Not a hater or jealous one in the group. I could get a big house in vegas (its so damn cheap to live there) and then live with all three of them and start some kind of internet reality show. LOLVery pretty body! Did you find her on SA Hollywood? I'm not local to her but would love to see her face if she shows it on her listing.
FotoGuy1970
03-14-15, 18:08
The passive SB I started seeing at the tail end of last year is out of the picture. Her communications had slowly been deteriorating until one day she just finally stopped responding. I saw on her FB page that she had started seeing a new BF a week or two before our last date, so I thought that may have had something to do with her going silent. But now I see her on SA most every day, so I suspect she was displeased with me and / or current arrangement. She was far from being the best SB I ever had, but her expectations were low and she was likable, she just needed to work on her FC skills a lot. Can't say I miss her too much, in all honesty.
So a few weeks later, I signed up for SA again and started using HWG's 5-step method. So far I've had a lot of no responses (but they have my email addy in my initial message, so one never knows when they may decide to reach out and contact me after my SA sub lapses). I've had a few that progressed past the initial messages but never lead to any M&G.
One success I did have with the method led to a first-timer SB who lived about an hour away. M&G led straight to FC. Fun time was had by both of us, I felt there was genuine chemistry and connection. I thought for sure she'd be a great SB for quite a while. Fast forward a couple of weeks later and following a long and complicated series of events I won't go through here, she ended up taking an advance from me and taking off. I have frequently given this advice to the brothers who ask if they should give an advance to a girl: "Listen to your gut and follow your instincts". The two times before this I had given advances to other SBs, it worked out just fine, but not this time. My big head was telling me not to trust this girl and that she was going to rip me off, but I ignored it and went ahead anyway. So now I'm minus the advance (which wasn't all that much) and she's minus getting sugar on very regular basis. And since she has no job, her theft hurts her a lot more than it does me. What are some of these girls thinking?
In the meantime, I'm still trying HWG's suggested method, but my area is a shallow pool to fish in. I have been talking to a really sweet girl who lives about an hour away. Was supposed to M&G this weekend, but she had to cancel and she seemed genuinely upset about it. Hopefully next weekend then.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 19:04
In the meantime, I'm still trying HWG's suggested method, but my area is a shallow pool to fish in. I have been talking to a really sweet girl who lives about an hour away. Was supposed to M&G this weekend, but she had to cancel and she seemed genuinely upset about it. Hopefully next weekend then.Just an FYI. Every girl I have met in the last 6 weeks has been using the 5 steps. I am going to keep doing this until I find a better way. Of course I do customize when needed to fit the situation. But mostly (like 90%) its by the book.
FotoGuy1970
03-14-15, 19:17
Just an FYI. Every girl I have met in the last 6 weeks has been using the 5 steps. I am going to keep doing this until I find a better way. Of course I do customize when needed to fit the situation. But mostly (like 90%) its by the book.I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 21:13
I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.I did so a search for someone on here recently and did see the pickens were a lot slimmer in his area. I am sure in those cases the girls do want more cash and less pressure.
HollywoodGuy
03-14-15, 21:40
The cross legged girl just emailed me her phone number. I found her IG and can see she is a clothing designer and a HYM. All looks very normal. Now I got my hopes up.
And she is a spinner. Got to stick to what works. The lips girl turned out to be a pro. Big surprise. So I shined her on.
HoyaSvnFgr
03-15-15, 00:31
Curious what the average term is with a SB before you guys call it quits. I had a great month with the first SB that I gave a monthly allowance. She was an absolute 10 in bed, but things are starting to fade. The chemistry was great, she seemed good with the cash I provided and the dinner dates. For a minute, it seemed like we were actually dating. I've noticed her communication has started to fade. I'm not sure if it's because our agreement didn't meet her specifications or if she got a higher offer.
My rule of thumb is to never ask a SB about other guys, but I suspect she has another SD. She goes dark some times. Not that I pry or make inquiry, but I picked up on the vibe. I'm deleting her from my contacts and moving on. I've noticed lots of new POT in my area. I suppose the hunt begins again.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-15, 03:52
Very pretty body! Did you find her on SA Hollywood? I'm not local to her but would love to see her face if she shows it on her listing.https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e5fdb4f8/view?interests-favorited-me
She was down for $$ no problem. If she was an SB I would have had to seriously consider her. But that is a dream.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-15, 13:02
Went on a failed M&G last night with an older but petite Latina. It wasnt totally wasted as it was very near my ATF who is still on her cycle but that didn't stop us from having a one hour makeout session in the car before I went home. Our relationship has progressed to the mutual "I love you" stage. Something I know is abhorrent to most of the brothers here. But it's what I actually strive to achieve in any LTR with my SB's. I know all the arguments against that. But the greatest one for it is the quality of the sex. It cant help but improve. Risk and reward. Its a balancing act for sure. Also being single it doesn't carry the same weight that it would for someone with an SO.
The very lithe ballerina pictured a few posts back is messaging me this morning. She is a true NP first timer. One reason I like these younger girls. How much mileage can they possibly have at 18 or 19? I know a lot of guys will say they cant be any good in the FC. But that is many times only due to inexperience. If a girl has natural ability and the desire to learn they can be a superstar for daddy. And this girl has already expressed an interest in doing just that. Many star athletes are very young, this is no different, being their coach and mentor only solidifies the bond between SD and SB.
More yucky stuff a lot of guys would run from. LOL. But if you are just gonna find em, fuck em, and forget em. Well that seems like a waste to me considering all the time it takes to find the "right" one. And yes you will have to kiss a lot of (insert any term you like) before you find your princess.
Member #5570
03-15-15, 16:31
I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.I have been out of the bowl for quite a while, and only show up on this forum sparingly.
Could a brother be kind enough to point me to this infamous method? I will start going back the pages and see if I can find them, but if you have a post# that would be a huge help.
Thanks.
HollywoodGuy.
Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience).
This spinner white girl is what I like! It goes to show that we each have our own needs, wants, and styles.
HoyaSvnFgr.
Curious what the average term is with a SB before you guys call it quits. I had a great month with the first SB that I gave a monthly allowance. She was an absolute 10 in bed, but things are starting to fade. The chemistry was great, she seemed good with the cash I provided and the dinner dates. For a minute, it seemed like we were actually dating. I've noticed her communication has started to fade. I'm not sure if it's because our agreement didn't meet her specifications or if she got a higher offer.
The Babies are doing the same thing we are --always looking. Plus they also have SOs, BFs, and other SDs. Probably she found a better deal (I am looking for that elusive FB, who is content with meeting me in the FC for an hour or two.
My Drive is satisfied with twice / week. My performance is dictated by chemicals. Actually, if the Dick is hard the drive is there LOL.
So my full on Sugaring approach is based on the time and financial availability, which at the moment is one to two times / week. Chemically, I can sustain an erection for 3 hours strait, but can only Cum once. I've never had the luck / skill to have multiple O's. How nice would that be? I read that many of you guys are able to do that. So after delivering my load I lose the desire to keep on even though the hard on continues. As JL said, power pounding allows me to delay orgasm for a long time. If she likes it and responds with appropriate screaming and hollering I love it. But I personally slow it down to a slow sensual pump with deep and passionate kissing when I am ready to let the big dog eat. Often I would Cum, then continue in multiple positions --whatever my SB needs and wants to get her nutt (s) . Fortunately (for my needs) I have never had a Baby whose needs far exceeded mine. I like delivering multiple O's to her delaying mine until I am ready to finish it and she seems satiated.
As always YMMV.
My Drive is satisfied with twice / week. FYI blood pressure medicine can cause ed and lower your testostorone levels. Found this out the hard way. Diuretics turned me into a spaghetti noodle kinda scary.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-15, 21:47
Went out and saw the cross legged girl from yesterdays post. We met in a public place and I could see her coming from a block away with that perfect pixie body of hers. All 5'4' and 102 lbs of it looking like my dream come true. A 25 year old island girl. We went for a quick bite and then drove till I found a quiet deserted spot nearby. This led to a 2 hour makeout session in the car with lots of OTC action. She said she was on her period and that she hadn't shaved. So it was a double no go. In the end I gave her 40 for a wax and a planned FC date for midweek.
No matter how many girls I see, when I find a tiny spinner with awesome kissing skills its game on. She is an SB with one prior SD that ended a year ago. Hasn't had sex in 2 months, so I am expecting a wild ride. I give her an 8 all around so far. We talked a lot about sex and I also told her about having a couple other SB's as we had the condom discussion as well. But we are all good and ready to rock.
After yesterdays lackluster performance in the FC I can see it was all about the chemistry. This girl today had me hard just off her kissing skills. A young guy could get hard looking at Macys ads for Juniors. But this old timer needs the total package.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-15, 21:51
This spinner white girl is what I like! It goes to show that we each have our own needs, wants, and styles.Her body is fine. Its more about her skills and personality. She may have a better body than the girl below, even though they are the same height and weight. The white girls is more evenly distributed with a very flat tummy. But the girl today was like ooh la la over the top sexy sexy sexy. Just having a cute white girl riding on top while I reach around and deeply finger her ass isn't always enough.
HollywoodGuy
03-15-15, 22:21
This is why it works when it works. Just got this now.
"A $100 a date is completely reasonable and makes sense considering you are looking for a connection with someone".
Normus Johnson
03-16-15, 15:37
FYI blood pressure medicine can cause ed and lower your testostorone levels. Found this out the hard way. Diuretics turned me into a spaghetti noodle kinda scary.
Same drugs I'm on. Same result.
I ended up buying Cialis from China and I take them like candy when things are going crazy. Hell of a lot cheaper than the real stuff and only use when I need it.
The girls in KH8 love it. ( A strip Bar in LA where HWG lives... )
Normus Johnson.
HollywoodGuy
03-16-15, 21:40
Got a M&G with the one on the right for tonite. Another legit dancer in hollywood. The smoking hot one on the left is her sister I think. Anyway she is so excited. She is 20, 5'3" and tiny. The M&G from yesterday will recommence on Friday for the real thing. She is getting waxed on wednesday to prepare. Can't wait for that one. And my ATF is suddenly hospitalized. It may be a while till I get to see her. Without my ATF and my MILF long gone my time is suddenly open to meet new babes.
DavidTheSancho
03-16-15, 22:40
This one agreed to do the M&G in the FC. I guess that makes her a UTR, but I post any girl on here that was met on a SD site. She is about a 7, but the pics make her look like an 8. Maybe she will surprise me. When they are 18 I cut them a little slack.How did it go with this girl? I messaged her a while back but ended up getting together with another girl instead.
HollywoodGuy
03-17-15, 01:56
How did it go with this girl? I messaged her a while back but ended up getting together with another girl instead.She messaged me and said she was ready to hook up asap. And then nothing. Go figure. The one I just posted below had dinner with me tonite. She had a perfect little body. If you like little girls that is. Might see her again as she only lived 10 minutes away and she seemed pretty chill.
DirtyDeeds38
03-17-15, 12:26
Ok, ole buddies, some of the stuff being written here, is questionable at least. I mean we all long for the days of the past when we could literally shoot our load 5-7 times in a night, but I doubt any of us over 40 still have that capacity.
For the average SB, some self control, lasting it out, the experience we have gained, maybe being able to go a few rounds throughout the night and morning is suffice. But what I'm talking about is that one in a hundred true nympho, who once her motor gets going, if it's not already simmering all the time to begin with, never shuts down. The problem is, girls like this, know they are this way and will generally develop a nose for seeking compatible men to fuck. They end up having been with lots of men who can keep up and then when they get with one of us, declining men due to age, they are not completely satisfied.
The last SB I was with would typically go something like this. I would rip her clothes off, pin her down in some fashion and finger and go down on her until she came at least 4-5 times, sometimes with toys, but those usually came later on. She enjoyed the vigorous two finger Gspot stuff that would make her squirt and as you know, that can be tiring, almost as much as fucking itself. She liked her pussy fingered really hard and fast and that is demanding physically. So in this process, while I might have had a rock hard erection to begin with, due to the workout I was giving her it would fade. After maybe 20-30 minutes of this and her having had several orgasms, shed start begging me to fuck her. Only I wasn't ready now and she could not comprehend this. She got frustrated and would say things like, "how can you make me cum like that so much and not be hard and turned on for me. That right there is undoubtedly something that would have been the case if I were still 25 or so. At this point, I need a little direct stimulation and it seemed to annoy her. So there is one difference.
So anyhow, she'd play with me for a bit and I'd be hard and fuck the living shit out of her until I was winded and it was time for me to either cum, or lose my erection from being tired. (this is where I think being in great cardio shape would definitely have helped. As Jez mentioned) by fucking her this way, she had many more huge orgasms. And then I'm finally finish. I'd move to toys for her and more going down and fingering etc, then she'd be screaming for me to fuck her again and I'd still be recovering. This told me she was obviously used to something else. I am like, WTF, I just worked you over for 90 minutes straight, I know you came at least 15 times, and you still want more? The novelty in being with a girl like this wears off quick and it becomes work and makes you feel like less of a man. But I would just think back to the others and recall those same efforts being too much and just chalk her up to being a freak of nature and not let it damage my ego. Even though I know lots of women are this way. My point is, I think I'm where I can take on a girl like this a few times a week maybe, but not every night. She needs a fucking machine to stay fully happy. And she's had them before. But those days are gone for me.
This is one small aspect of being in the bowl that can impact you psychologically. Pride aside, we all slow down and can only do so much stay on top of our game. But a vigorous exercise program with a very healthy diet can help a lot.
" WTF, I just worked you over for 90 minutes straight, I know you came at least 15 times, and you still want more? The novelty in being with a girl like this wears off quick and it becomes work and makes you feel like less of a man" Deeds.
That experience does not appeal to me. It is too much work. Prostaglandin injections are the answer for long lasting erections. The problem is- -for me it lasts 3 hours- -rock hard no matter what I am doing. So if I have a 60 to 90 minute session with my SB, which is enough for my tastes, then I have this increasingly painful erection for 2 more hours. But it NEVER fails and I am always up and ready to go. It also nicely delays orgasm so I can pound the shit out of my Baby for as long as my lungs and her desire hold out. I do get winded so have to take a breather before getting back to it. Think about it guys, If you jumped rope for 60 seconds straight you will be exhausted. Manic fucking is no less energetic. So my workouts include an exercise on an exercise ball in the ventral supine position pumping for multiple sets of 20 as hard as I can go. The gym rats look at me a little funny but I think the guys know what's up LOL.
Think about it guys, If you jumped rope for 60 seconds straight you will be exhausted. Manic fucking is no less energetic. So my workouts include an exercise on an exercise ball in the ventral supine position pumping for multiple sets of 20 as hard as I can go. The gym rats look at me a little funny but I think the guys know what's up LOL.Just curious about the ventral supine position pumping with exercise ball. Is the ball under your feet so you're in a pushup position?
Just curious about the ventral supine position pumping with exercise ball. Is the ball under your feet so you're in a pushup position?Think fucking positions. I embrace the ball for balance with knees on the mat and go at it. You get a good core workout too and you develop your fast twitch muscles. Obviously other positions would round out your muscle development. Try to work up to a duration that you are exposed to IRL. Time your fucking by the clock. Most of us would be surprised at how short a period of time we go at it intensely. You have to be in darn good shape to pound a girl for 20 straight minutes, not to mention longer.
There are benefits to using a floor model fake vagina masturbation device . If you are erect looking at porn or whatever(prob not at the local gym ) you can work on your strength and endurance while orgasming as well .
HollywoodGuy
03-17-15, 18:16
Ok, ole buddies, some of the stuff being written here, is questionable at least. I mean we all long for the days of the past when we could literally shoot our load 5-7 times in a night, but I doubt any of us over 40 still have that capacity.Think quality over quantity. A nympho I used to date (that never masturbated less then 2 hours a day) once reported back to me that she just had the best 5 minutes of sex in her life with some guy. And she meant it. She was grinning from ear to ear.
A MILF I dated for a while in my prime (who also masturbated a minimum of two hours a day) told me she lost 2 husbands due to her sex drive. She was fine with the sex and did not want to get divorced. But they weren't and got tired of hearing all that buzzing after they were done. Like you said these girls know their bodies and they also know (or should know) what's realistic. And in a "relationship" their feelings usually outweigh their physical needs. Meaning they are satisfied emotionally. So unless YOU feel like less of a man because they masturbate every chance they get, then its not really a problem.
My entire life I have always been a cum once and I am done kind of guy. So I learned early on how to delay my orgasm. Now I don't need to do that, as nature took over a long time ago and allows me to go as long as I want. If I am just looking for a release then 45 minutes could be fine. If I am in love or just super hot for a girl I may go 60 to 120 minutes. Anything more than that and boredom sets in. And I tell every girl upfront its a one shot deal. It's one reason I never do overnites. I don't think I have ever lost a girl due to not keeping up. Its more of a guy problem, similar to penis size. And as far as sugar babes. Hey, it's your dime. Spend it the way you like. Try focusing on submissive girls that do what they are told and are grateful to do it. Quality over quantity.
HollywoodGuy
03-17-15, 20:28
Just one more thing to add. I think a lot of guys on here go for spells of either no sex or unsatisfying sex. The result is when they get a nympho they go overboard. Its a one time thing but very believable. We have all been in situations where we fucked our brains out here and there. But its not happening everyday. How many times have we all fucked a girl under the table once or twice and then lost interest? Newness and dry spells can produce some amazing results. I know sometimes if I am going to go out for the first time with a hot new babe, I may try to save up a bit for her or pop an extra see tab for assurance.
I have had a couple PM's telling me I was a liar. Why lie here? It's not going to get me any extra pussy.
I was surprised (and simultaneously glad) at the level of discussion my comments about performance, cardio, and exercise got. I also got some PM interest in asking me more about specific exercises, so I thought I'd share a few things here.
First let me say I believe heart health is key to sexual performance. Not just to increase endurance and combat fatigue, but simply for maximum circulatory efficiency, which probably affects the ability / propensity to get hard and stay hard more than anything else. Everyone is different, but I know that two things seem to really impact how often (and for how long) my cock gets hard: regular cardiovascular exercise and alcohol. That's right, some say alcohol is a boner-killer, but I never get "drunk" per se. Before sex I like to drink just enough to get the blood-thinning effects. After both exercise and drinking, I can actually see the effects of increased blood flow as my veins respond to it. Obviously either one done to excess is not good for you and can impact you negatively -- too much alcohol can damage your arteries, and likewise too much exercise has been shown to increase chance of heart disease. Everything in moderation. I actually scaled back to vigorous exercise 5-6 times a week to trying to do it no more than every 2 days, sometimes every 3 days for this very reason.
For me, the key to cardio is simply to do anything that elevates your heart rate for an extended period of time (running, cycling, etc.). Some people find running boring, I listen to music when I do it and kind of get "in the zone", I find it extremely addictive. For me the important thing is to keep the heart rate up for 30-40 minutes -- the total time the heart rate is elevated, I feel, is more important than the distance you cover and the speed you run. Just for reference I would run that at varying speeds between about 6 - 8 mph, which I guess is about average jog pace? I'm not sure. The idea here is not to overdo it -- you don't need to train for a marathon, in fact they say most marathon runners have already damaged their heart. Don't do that. Also, if you are new to cardio work please research separately what your starter goals should be and take your own personal health history into consideration. The runner's heart rate monitors are good tools to have in the toolbox (the kind you wear around your chest under your shirt), and can help you to not over-do it. They can broadcast your heart rate to an iPhone / iPod or if you're on a treadmill at the gym (much easier on the knees and joints), the chest band will send your heart rate info to the treadmill display. If you're really new to this I think I would recommend getting one of these. Also you need a GOOD pair of running shoes. Good running shoes are almost always in the $100-170 range, and even when the bottom tread is good you need to switch them out about once a year running 3 x a week. The materials get compressed from the impact and continuing running on them can lead to injury even if the shoe still looks almost new. A good running store can help you try out models (they often have a treadmill you can try them on). I already have a brand / model I like and I order them discounted online.
Now some people have knee or other injuries that make running impossible. Try cycling. Weather can get in the way so you may need to join a gym. Its a good idea anyway (more on that later). Just understand that the overall exertion from riding a stationary bike usually doesn't work your heart as much as running, so you may need to go longer. I personally find stationary bikes boring, I don't know why. I can run on a treadmill until I keel over but 30 minutes on a stationary bike and I'm dying to get off. Real bikes outside in decent weather I can ride all day long. Just a matter of personal choice I guess.
With all this, I have to say, a lot of people will say they already get exercise doing yard work or just by walking around all day and staying active, etc. Yes some activity is better than none but just keep in mind that ITS NOT THE SAME as doing 30-40 steady minutes of cardio work. Sure you are burning calories, maybe sweating and making parts of your body sore by doing yard work, but it is a very different scenario from something like taking your heart rate to 160-170 and holding it there for half an hour. In fact I just pay someone to do yard work or handyman shit because it would remove some of my energy or enthusiasm for doing the type of exercise that pays off much better in bed.
Another benefit from running / cycling: your leg and ass muscles become god-like both in strength and endurance, which gives you some serious pussy-pounding-power in bed in addition to the heart+boner benefit. But it's not all good news, runners sometimes have knee, shin, hamstring, calf, ankle or foot problems. I can claim some level of experience with more than one of those. The biggest line of defense is stretching. I have a tendency to not stretch enough, which I've been trying to remedy over the last few years. I now stretch both before and after running and yes it does reduce aches and pains. When I was younger I discounted the importance of stretching, and I've realized how wrong I was as I got older.
I also recommend getting a thera-band (its like a large rubber band used for physical therapy). When you put it around your ankles, then lift each leg to the side with resistance, you can feel muscles in your butt and hip start to get tired, and the next day muscle soreness in spots you didn't know you had. This is a technique to strengthen hips / glut muscles (which oddly help prevent knee pain), but it also makes you fuck better in bed.
On to weights. If you wear the heart rate monitor I mentioned above while you lift weights, you might be surprised what your heart does while lifting (because you are focusing on the resistance of the weight and what you feel in the affected muscles) and it doesn't seem like something that would increase your heart rate a great deal. But yes, it also supplements the cardio workout. Just be aware that it does not replace the cardio aspect altogether. Honestly if I only have time for one, and my goal is to increase sexual performance, I would do the cardio first. Weight lifting is very important too, though, especially as you get older, because it increases your natural testosterone production. This has long been the recommended "therapy" for aging men that do not want to lose their sex drive but don't want to take potentially dangerous growth hormone, etc. It's not just about impressing people with your muscles, it's about feeling younger and hornier longer. So for that reason weight lifting should be something you do. Just be sure to learn how to do it in a way that won't cause you injuries -- I really don't want to send someone who has no experience with this into the gym all gung-ho and they end up hurting themselves. Knowing how to do it in a way that is beneficial without overdoing it takes some practice so please start out slowly, learn how to do the exercises correctly, and don't plan on learning them all at once (you don't need to). Your goal should be to be a little bit sore the next day, not extremely sore or feeling miserable. Don't forget to stretch and be sure to understand the exercise you're doing and why. I am being somewhat flippant in my description of this because I grew up during the fitness craze of the 80's, learned most of what I know about weight lifting back then, and it's somewhat second nature to me now. Someone just starting out now might do well to start with a trainer, or at least spend a lot of time researching on you tube first.
Someone, I think Deeds mentioned vigorous 2-fingering of SBs and how physically demanding it can be. One trick I could offer there: most of the exercises and stretches that are used for carpel tunnel, tennis elbow or other sports related arm issues are excellent for making you better at vigorous fingering. There are a number of them, probably best left to Youtube for examples rather than me trying to explain them. Our fingers, forearms, elbows etc. Tend to get abused on a day to day basis anyway. Stretching has helped me a lot over the years.
That's all I've got for now, on the subject of fitness.
HollywoodGuy
03-18-15, 00:19
I had a crush on this girl at one time. I don't crave porn starts but she was the real deal.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e54cd231/view?search-recently-active
I,ve seen a few on the SD sites here and there in my area.
HollywoodGuy
03-18-15, 02:47
Hollywood rocker / baby girl in search of her Daddy. Boy did she luck out. LOL.
And hopefully me to. She is so ready. Says the oldest guy she's dated is 22.
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HollywoodGuy
03-18-15, 03:32
I was surprised (and simultaneously glad) at the level of discussion my comments about performance, cardio, and exercise got. I also got some PM interest in asking me more about specific exercises, so I thought I'd share a few things here..After my hernia surgery a few years ago I stopped working out. I do a ton of stair climbing and eat right. , But my Dr tells me all the sex I am having is doing wonders.
After my hernia surgery a few years ago I stopped working out. I do a ton of stair climbing and eat right. , But my Dr tells me all the sex I am having is doing wonders.I've had that surgery too (it was actually due to heavy exercise). Very common surgery for athletes, I'd almost say inevitable. But the surgery itself is a walk in the park -- I was back at the gym only a few weeks later. Hopefully that wasn't your reason for giving up exercise.
Eating right is important too (I didn't even cover that in my message but probably should have). I have to say though, stair climbing is only good for you on a machine where you are always going up. Walking down stairs is bad for the body and a ticket to knee replacement surgery in the long run. Also you would need to continuously do the upstairs climb for about half an hour to get the same cardio benefit. Here and there throughout the same does not have the same effect.
Doctors would rather you go to them for ongoing revenue purposes than to solve issues the free and natural way. They want you to take the latest boner pills or hormone therapy, because quite simply they do not profit from healthy people, they profit from sick people.
HollywoodGuy
03-18-15, 14:20
I've had that surgery too (it was actually due to heavy exercise). Very common surgery for athletes, I'd almost say inevitable. But the surgery itself is a walk in the park -- I was back at the gym only a few weeks later. Hopefully that wasn't your reason for giving up exercise.
Eating right is important too (I didn't even cover that in my message but probably should have). I have to say though, stair climbing is only good for you on a machine where you are always going up. Walking down stairs is bad for the body and a ticket to knee replacement surgery in the long run. Also you would need to continuously do the upstairs climb for about half an hour to get the same cardio benefit. Here and there throughout the same does not have the same effect.
Doctors would rather you go to them for ongoing revenue purposes than to solve issues the free and natural way. They want you to take the latest boner pills or hormone therapy, because quite simply they do not profit from healthy people, they profit from sick people.Well its 80 stairs round trip just to get to my front door. Gave me some pretty tight legs. As far as pills, its either that or fall down on the job. Also got lipo on the belly. Gave me a 4 pack, the rest is still buried under some baby fat. But no ones complaining. One reason I think I can date all these spinners. I have a male spinner mentality. In the midwest where I am from, everyone always said I looked too thin or sick. In hollywood they say I look like a rockstar. And there is a female spinner mentality. I always tap into it as fast as possible when I meet one. Its like a bonding experience.
Well its 80 stairs round trip just to get to my front door. Gave me some pretty tight legs. As far as pills, its either that or fall down on the job. Also got lipo on the belly. Gave me a 4 pack, the rest is still buried under some baby fat. But no ones complaining. One reason I think I can date all these spinners. I have a male spinner mentality. In the midwest where I am from, everyone always said I looked too thin or sick. In hollywood they say I look like a rockstar. And there is a female spinner mentality. I always tap into it as fast as possible when I meet one. Its like a bonding experience.I like to be as thin as I can get. Getting too skinny or too fat has never really been a problem for me, I have the kind of build that can tolerate a 25 lb weight difference before anyone even notices I've gained or lost. The realities of work (sitting a lot) make a 6-pack a goal that is possibly achievable, but I guess I don't want it bad enough to put in the effort. But, I have my "comfort zone" weight and then my "optimal" weight for picking up women. Getting rid of the last 5-8 lbs of "comfort zone" weight seems to bolster female reactions in my favor. Experiments with my weight have all been done in civy dating world, I'd imagine that success with SBs would be less affected if I let myself go a bit since financial support is part of their motivation. But when it comes to sex, to me fat just gets in the way (whether its on her or on me), so in general I want to minimize it. I like my women thin and fit, and the fitter I am the more sexual energy I think I have.
HollywoodGuy
03-18-15, 15:36
I like to be as thin as I can get. Getting too skinny or too fat has never really been a problem for me, I have the kind of build that can tolerate a 25 lb weight difference before anyone even notices I've gained or lost. The realities of work (sitting a lot) make a 6-pack a goal that is possibly achievable, but I guess I don't want it bad enough to put in the effort. But, I have my "comfort zone" weight and then my "optimal" weight for picking up women. Getting rid of the last 5-8 lbs of "comfort zone" weight seems to bolster female reactions in my favor. Experiments with my weight have all been done in civy dating world, I'd imagine that success with SBs would be less affected if I let myself go a bit since financial support is part of their motivation. But when it comes to sex, to me fat just gets in the way (whether its on her or on me), so in general I want to minimize it. I like my women thin and fit, and the fitter I am the more sexual energy I think I have.No doubt. And the positions you can get in if you are fit, with a spinner, make it so much better all around. But girls are far less concerned with our bodies than we are with theirs.
Beachesnole02
03-19-15, 10:39
No doubt. And the positions you can get in if you are fit, with a spinner, make it so much better all around. But girls are far less concerned with our bodies than we are with theirs.As a long time yo yo guy with weight, I will affirm HG on women not being as concerned. I have gotten calls from chicks wanting to get laid when I was heavy, I have gotten them when I am trim, no change in frequency that I could tell.
As a long time yo yo guy with weight, I will affirm HG on women not being as concerned. I have gotten calls from chicks wanting to get laid when I was heavy, I have gotten them when I am trim, no change in frequency that I could tell.They don't care $$ talks.
Just for the record, no legitimate SB would ever invite you to her place for the first meeting. If she does that, she is a hardened pro.I have to respectfully disagree with this particular point. My best SB ever (and longest SB relationship) invited me to her place for our first meet. To say it was amazing would be an understatement. I brought wine and cheese and after the first glass calmed our nervousness, we went at it like rabbits for hours. I popped at least 4 times. She was a foreign grad student (I didn't know that at the time) who I think genuinely needed the cash, but also wanted the sex. She was in her 30's, not interested in marriage or children and her sex drive was unbelievable. I may have mentioned her in the past. I still miss her. I will admit that her residence was in a secure building in a nice part of town, and it would definitely have been sketchier if she was in a house in a no-so-great area. But I don't think any SB who invites you to her place for a first meet is necessarily a scammer or thief.
She was also clearly not a hardened pro. It was pretty obvious I was the only Daddy she had, and we progressed to overnights and dinner dates and even the occasional long Saturday night into Sunday brunch combo. She was available anytime I wanted to see her if she was not working. All for the same low amount I left her (without ever discussing it) when I left after our first marathon session. In fact, she was grateful for every ounce of help. She was going home before Christmas, and I popped in to drop of a very inexpensive gift. I was really just planning on dropping off the gift and being on my way. But sShe was so thrilled, she literally couldn't stop thanking me and before I could say boo, she had dropped to her knees and had me out and in her mouth. I told her I didn't have any allowance, and she didn't care. It really about showing appreciation for the gift. A hardened pro would not have acted in any of the ways she did.
Norm!
HollywoodGuy
03-19-15, 14:51
I have to respectfully disagree with this particular point. My best SB ever (and longest SB relationship) invited me to her place for our first meet. To say it was amazing would be an understatement. I brought wine and cheese and after the first glass calmed our nervousness, we went at it like rabbits for hours. I popped at least 4 times. She was a foreign grad student (I didn't know that at the time) who I think genuinely needed the cash, but also wanted the sex. She was in her 30's, not interested in marriage or children and her sex drive was unbelievable. I may have mentioned her in the past. I still miss her. I will admit that her residence was in a secure building in a nice part of town, and it would definitely have been sketchier if she was in a house in a no-so-great area. But I don't think any SB who invites you to her place for a first meet is necessarily a scammer or thief.
She was also clearly not a hardened pro. It was pretty obvious I was the only Daddy she had, and we progressed to overnights and dinner dates and even the occasional long Saturday night into Sunday brunch combo. She was available anytime I wanted to see her if she was not working. All for the same low amount I left her (without ever discussing it) when I left after our first marathon session. In fact, she was grateful for every ounce of help. She was going home before Christmas, and I popped in to drop of a very inexpensive gift. I was really just planning on dropping off the gift and being on my way. But sShe was so thrilled, she literally couldn't stop thanking me and before I could say boo, she had dropped to her knees and had me out and in her mouth. I told her I didn't have any allowance, and she didn't care. It really about showing appreciation for the gift. A hardened pro would not have acted in any of the ways she did.
Norm!After literally hundreds of girls. Its hard to generalize. Girls are all over the map. Normally I don't go inside a lot of girls homes as their parents probably wouldn't appreciate that, but anything is possible. But have picked up plenty from their parents front door (practically the equivalent) and gone straight to the FC, whether that was the car or my home. I am continually surprised and entertained by some of the things that happen in the bowl.
IluvSmellyFish
03-19-15, 21:37
It's what we all look for. NormGerd, I've been there. One of my first pots that became an SB was a Polish born foreign girl. We fucked like rabbits until her requests got larger. (eg she wanted clothes on top of her allowance which got increasingly more difficult to manage).
Long story short, they are out there- you just have to find them before they become greedy.
I have to respectfully disagree with this particular point. My best SB ever (and longest SB relationship) invited me to her place for our first meet. To say it was amazing would be an understatement. I brought wine and cheese and after the first glass calmed our nervousness, we went at it like rabbits for hours. I popped at least 4 times. She was a foreign grad student (I didn't know that at the time) who I think genuinely needed the cash, but also wanted the sex. She was in her 30's, not interested in marriage or children and her sex drive was unbelievable. I may have mentioned her in the past. I still miss her. I will admit that her residence was in a secure building in a nice part of town, and it would definitely have been sketchier if she was in a house in a no-so-great area. But I don't think any SB who invites you to her place for a first meet is necessarily a scammer or thief.
She was also clearly not a hardened pro. It was pretty obvious I was the only Daddy she had, and we progressed to overnights and dinner dates and even the occasional long Saturday night into Sunday brunch combo. She was available anytime I wanted to see her if she was not working. All for the same low amount I left her (without ever discussing it) when I left after our first marathon session. In fact, she was grateful for every ounce of help. She was going home before Christmas, and I popped in to drop of a very inexpensive gift. I was really just planning on dropping off the gift and being on my way. But sShe was so thrilled, she literally couldn't stop thanking me and before I could say boo, she had dropped to her knees and had me out and in her mouth. I told her I didn't have any allowance, and she didn't care. It really about showing appreciation for the gift. A hardened pro would not have acted in any of the ways she did.
Norm!
Ran into my 1st babies mother one morning when picking her up for breakfast! Dumbass me parks too close, mom opens the door to see what her little angle was doing, looks me straight in the eyes not 20' away. Kept calm, off we went. She had a bit to explain but wasnt an issue for me.
About a minute away from meeting an aunt of another baby. That would have been a lot more akward given the situation, A lot more.
After literally hundreds of girls. Its hard to generalize. Girls are all over the map. Normally I don't go inside a lot of girls homes as their parents probably wouldn't appreciate that, but anything is possible. But have picked up plenty from their parents front door (practically the equivalent) and gone straight to the FC, whether that was the car or my home. I am continually surprised and entertained by some of the things that happen in the bowl.
I have to respectfully disagree with this particular point. My best SB ever (and longest SB relationship) invited me to her place for our first meet. To say it was amazing would be an understatement. I brought wine and cheese and after the first glass calmed our nervousness, we went at it like rabbits for hours. I popped at least 4 times. She was a foreign grad student (I didn't know that at the time) who I think genuinely needed the cash, but also wanted the sex. She was in her 30's, not interested in marriage or children and her sex drive was unbelievable. I may have mentioned her in the past. I still miss her. I will admit that her residence was in a secure building in a nice part of town, and it would definitely have been sketchier if she was in a house in a no-so-great area. But I don't think any SB who invites you to her place for a first meet is necessarily a scammer or thief.
She was also clearly not a hardened pro. It was pretty obvious I was the only Daddy she had, and we progressed to overnights and dinner dates and even the occasional long Saturday night into Sunday brunch combo. She was available anytime I wanted to see her if she was not working. All for the same low amount I left her (without ever discussing it) when I left after our first marathon session. In fact, she was grateful for every ounce of help. She was going home before Christmas, and I popped in to drop of a very inexpensive gift. I was really just planning on dropping off the gift and being on my way. But sShe was so thrilled, she literally couldn't stop thanking me and before I could say boo, she had dropped to her knees and had me out and in her mouth. I told her I didn't have any allowance, and she didn't care. It really about showing appreciation for the gift. A hardened pro would not have acted in any of the ways she did.
Without paging back to recall the full context in which I said that, if I'm not mistaken I think the poster was talking about someone he met who quickly invited him over, as-in "come on over sweetie" or that sort of thing, so I was mostly trying to warn him that this sort of thing can get you robbed, hurt, arrested or killed.
To your point however, I was really summarizing that particular situation. Are there situations that "fall outside the norm?" (no pun intended, but yes surely there are).
Encounters with real SBs have a lot in common with civy dating (both in their mind and in ours). So, whenever something happens in the bowl, either to us or through reading someone else's experience, it is often useful to put it into the context of plain-old-dating to see if it makes sense. And, sure, I have met women who were not after money who met me at their place first. A couple of years ago I met a stripper who didn't have a car, and for our first date she asked me to pick her up at her place (where she was still living with who she said was her ex-bf and his male roommate), so I drove right up front and picked her up as her roommate gawked, standing right there on the porch as she got in my car. She was annoyed with his desire to watch us take off, and was concerned he would run his mouth. She insisted her relationship was over anyway, but did not want to live with gossip. She was not a pro and to the best of my knowledge had never hooked up with a strip club patron prior to that night (she was very young and new to dancing). Even with casual bar hookups, I've had some take me straight back to their place for a round of fucking, some of which had advanced degrees with great jobs and certainly were not hardened pros.
It sounds like in your particular case you met an SB who was viewing the M&G as more of a date (which is how I like them to view it) than the kind of "come on over sweetie" danger sign I was alluding to. I'm also guessing that she did this because of conversations you had with her up to that point that gave her a comfort level (either that, or being foreign she was so new to the country that she brought habits and mannerisms with her to this country that betray my earlier definition). I don't know which country she was from, but foreign girls often have very different ideas about online socialization and even sex. She may have also had the "bobbing for greencard" habit that I've noticed (and also adored) in so many foreign college students, where they are feeling a bit rushed to hook up with some financial stability before their school visa runs out. There is really no way for you or I to know her background before she came to this country, and because in some countries prostitution is a way of life, we never really know her background. I've been there, done that, and enjoyed the benefits of foreign students studying here without over-analyzing the matter, so I don't intend to start now, I just wanted to say that the particular case you described wasn't really the type of thing I had in mind when I said what I did.
In general, I would be very suspicious of any girl found on an SD site who is okay with doing the M&G inside her place of residence. There is a chance you may strike gold, but more than likely it is an indication that she is not concerned about her potential new SD being a needy stalker type that just won't go away. This could be because her place of residence is fleeting (short term rental thus she doesn't care), which is more likely in a pro than anyone else, it could be because she feels completely safe (maybe an on-campus dorm while her roommate is away? I've been in that situation), or it could be that she just hasn't yet thought of the stalker possibility.
So, while it's true that it's unfair to say she is always a hardened pro if she invites you over for the M&G, I'd say this is not a typical scenario with a responsible young lady, and in most cases we should be suspicious of any girl who doesn't want to meet in a public place first.
HoyaSvnFgr
03-20-15, 00:36
I put my jersey back on. I'm officially back in The Sugar Bowl. This time taking my time before doing M&G. Also, picking the top of the crop. I put my photo up on my profile and I'm getting more traffic than I could ever imagine. Even spinners that I tried to link up with before are coming around now.
I met up with this one spinner that sort of was playing hard to get before. We meet up and go shopping. She spends her own money, she even had a wad of cash. She booked a hotel for us to crash after a night of partying. We get to the hotel and she's on her cycle. Nonetheless, she gives me oral over and over and over again all night. I may have came 4 times and then passed out. I've since been trying to set up the FC and she mentioned something about she'd need $1 K and how she gave me a sample.
I never did a lot of research on POTS, but she let her guard down. I gathered she used a fake name and some sort of cell phone number disguising app. I pull up her info and her criminal record is pretty surprising for a good looking 21 year old. She's got a couple of DUI's and a battery charge. Great mugshot pics though. I think I'll pass on the work required for the FC, but she's a hottie. She's probably batshit crazy and would key my car, but I'd imagine she's an awesome lay.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-15, 01:34
I got flaked on by the white rocker girl. No problem. Started chatting up a few girls on SA on my down time. Three 19 year olds and a super hot 27 year old in my neighborhood. One of those 19 year olds is a virgin. So she says. never had one.
Got my date with my new island girl tomorrow nite. My ATF got out of the hospital but wont be well for a few more days. So I am gonna do all 4 or 5 M&G's as fast as I can.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-15, 15:33
After messaging all those girls last night due to getting flaked on, I was horneee. So I went to my ATF at midnite for a 2 hour car date in her driveway. It was smoking hot. Suddenly she asks me "are you looking" And I am like you mean for a new girl? She says yes. So I tell her I am and that I interviewed about 5 to 10 in the FC since I met her. But that none of them worked out or made it to the third date. She said just hearing about it was getting her hot. And she wasn't lying as I had my finger inside her while we were talking and I suddenly felt it get a lot wetter. She then gave me one of the best BJ's she has done so far in 40 dates. I was so high (on the sex) I forgot to pay her. But we are more on a monthly arrangement anyway.
There are some awesome girls out there. So far I have gotten 20+ girls (all between 18-21 except 2) on SA in the first 6 weeks to agree to my $ a date. Meaning I have their phone number which I am only asking for after they agree, just so I don't forget where they are in the qualifying process. The one tonite (my new island girl) already knows the score in the bigger picture. I told her about my regulars and lifestyle because I think she might have a shot at a future. She is getting waxed just a few hours before our date tonite.
HollywoodGuy
03-20-15, 17:42
Here is a pretty one. An 18 year old mixed girl. She is down for the adventure.
I'd say she is an 8+ in any guys book. Look at that smile.
HollywoodGuy
03-21-15, 04:16
Just got back from a very strange date. The super hot island girl was super weird even though she looked good, had on a tight mini and had a fresh wax. But the chemistry was not happening. After an hour of awkwardness in the FC I just took her home. She didn't ask for any money. And apologized for her unsugarlike behavior. I just think she really wants a BF and not an SD. And I just wanted a booty call. Thank god for my ATF. After I dropped off said island girl I swung by her place for a quick BJ and came home. I have many many M&G's to do and I am determined to find a new SB. So there you have it.
Hey guys,
Haven't been active in this forum and am just getting started in the bowl. Been following some of HG's advice (thanks HG) and am about ready for the first meet and greet. Any advice on how direct to be with the communication setting up the date? Need a little "sales" help. LOL.
Seniors, feel free to give me a good dose of we-told-you-so. Newbies, learn vicariously from my pain. The danger of wanting the unicorn, the one with whom who have a connection, but of course on non-traditional terms. Be careful, you might get it. The human connection takes a life of it own, often in unexpected ways.
So my SB takes a winter-break road-trip with some school chums this week. Throw in some alcohol, two guys who have a crush on her, one of which she's gotten along with real well in the past year. Well, at a club one night the alcohol flowed, some mutual admissions of affection were made between her and the latter guy, culminating in a BJ in the mens bathroom. Apparently the rest of the trip was of the hold-hand / cuddle behavior, which was overt to the rest of the group. Puppy love, near as I can figure from what I'm hearing.
So I get these panicked texts about how she doesn't know what do to, doesn't want to leave me but things were suddenly swell with her college buddy. She was set to visit me the next day so I calmed her down until we could really talk.
I went into the discussion expecting that the inevitable had happened-she finally connected with a peer and was ready for more normal civvy dating. In fact, that's how I always imagined the most positive outcome. From a position of pure self-interest, there's much less risk of collateral damage if she's choosing to move on to someone else than me pushing her away. So I was ready to encourage and support that direction.
But alas, she is in too deep with me, and as this episode is making clear, I am in too deep with her. She can't give me up for something that may or may not be the right thing. As I heard more about what happened and the dynamics with this guy, my take was that it would work for awhile, but then she'd be right on my doorstep again. She mostly talked herself out of it, but I didn't argue either. Part of me wonders whether I lost a chance at a clean break, but mostly I think it would have been temporary and in the long run cause more complications.
The day ended up with lots to discuss, most of it leaning my direction, and lots of cuddle time. Her next step was to break the definitive news to her road-trip fling.
I knew that over the next few days she'd be navigating the tricky waters of unwinding her mixed messages to the group and to her crush in particular, which she understandably was not looking forward to. Those few days go by with lots of radio silence, though the communications that did happen seemed pretty back-to-normal. Then she announced that she was hanging with the group and feeling really shitty, even though it sounded like things were going to blow over.
So that's that, right? I wish.
After our talk where she made it pretty clear that she was not leaving and was just going to have to suck it up with her peers, I still couldn't shake the anxiety. We all know how conflicted people (especially women) will feel one thing with one person then something totally different when with another. So I knew better than to believe that this was the last of it. I'm sure the anxiety was unfounded, but Sugar Bowl Time Machine had unexpectedly transported me back to the old "is she going to pick me?" purgatory / hell. How pathetic is that?
This, brothers, is the danger when it gets too deep. I care way too much about this. It's not the type of thing where I'm itching to just run off with her, since I know better than to think that would work out. But she fills many needs, not just physical, and when that eventually comes to an end it will be painful. And episodes like this eat up way too much mental and emotional energy that are better spent elsewhere. Fortunately they are rare.
Seniors, feel free to give me a good dose of we-told-you-so. Newbies, learn vicariously from my pain. The danger of wanting the unicorn, the one with whom who have a connection, but of course on non-traditional terms. Be careful, you might get it. The human connection takes a life of it own, often in unexpected ways.
So my SB takes a winter-break road-trip with some school chums this week. Throw in some alcohol, two guys who have a crush on her, one of which she's gotten along with real well in the past year. Well, at a club one night the alcohol flowed, some mutual admissions of affection were made between her and the latter guy, culminating in a BJ in the mens bathroom. Apparently the rest of the trip was of the hold-hand / cuddle behavior, which was overt to the rest of the group. Puppy love, near as I can figure from what I'm hearing.
So I get these panicked texts about how she doesn't know what do to, doesn't want to leave me but things were suddenly swell with her college buddy. She was set to visit me the next day so I calmed her down until we could really talk.
I went into the discussion expecting that the inevitable had happened-she finally connected with a peer and was ready for more normal civvy dating. In fact, that's how I always imagined the most positive outcome. From a position of pure self-interest, there's much less risk of collateral damage if she's choosing to move on to someone else than me pushing her away. So I was ready to encourage and support that direction.
But alas, she is in too deep with me, and as this episode is making clear, I am in too deep with her. She can't give me up for something that may or may not be the right thing. As I heard more about what happened and the dynamics with this guy, my take was that it would work for awhile, but then she'd be right on my doorstep again. She mostly talked herself out of it, but I didn't argue either. Part of me wonders whether I lost a chance at a clean break, but mostly I think it would have been temporary and in the long run cause more complications.
The day ended up with lots to discuss, most of it leaning my direction, and lots of cuddle time. Her next step was to break the definitive news to her road-trip fling.
I knew that over the next few days she'd be navigating the tricky waters of unwinding her mixed messages to the group and to her crush in particular, which she understandably was not looking forward to. Those few days go by with lots of radio silence, though the communications that did happen seemed pretty back-to-normal. Then she announced that she was hanging with the group and feeling really shitty, even though it sounded like things were going to blow over.
So that's that, right? I wish.
After our talk where she made it pretty clear that she was not leaving and was just going to have to suck it up with her peers, I still couldn't shake the anxiety. We all know how conflicted people (especially women) will feel one thing with one person then something totally different when with another. So I knew better than to believe that this was the last of it. I'm sure the anxiety was unfounded, but Sugar Bowl Time Machine had unexpectedly transported me back to the old "is she going to pick me?" purgatory / hell. How pathetic is that?
This, brothers, is the danger when it gets too deep. I care way too much about this. It's not the type of thing where I'm itching to just run off with her, since I know better than to think that would work out. But she fills many needs, not just physical, and when that eventually comes to an end it will be painful. And episodes like this eat up way too much mental and emotional energy that are better spent elsewhere. Fortunately they are rare.You might want to consider meeting new POT SBs and re-establish your perspective. Doesn't mean you have to drop your current ATF but anytime a SD places all their physical, emotional, and financial chips on one SB there is a greater chance for eventually being in too deep. Sincere best of luck and I hope you get an outcome that is favourable to you.
You might want to consider meeting new POT SBs and re-establish your perspective. Doesn't mean you have to drop your current ATF but anytime a SD places all their physical, emotional, and financial chips on one SB there is a greater chance for eventually being in too deep. Sincere best of luck and I hope you get an outcome that is favourable to you.Yeah, I've considered it, but only fleetingly. I barely have enough time for this one. Even if I could magically make another perfect-match SB appear on the scene I'd have trouble juggling them. One SB, job, household, kids, etc is more than I can handle already. The thought of the time and energy required for the M&G process is just too much.
My current plan is to let this one play out, make the most of it, and deal with the emotional consequences best I can when it ends. This ride has been sufficiently intense that it's unclear that would even enter the bowl again. This experience is a pretty tough standard to meet in terms of how good things can be, but also a cautionary tale on the emotional investment that can come along with it. This episode was a wake-up call that I need to actively moderate my affections towards my unicorn.
Yeah, I've considered it, but only fleetingly. I barely have enough time for this one. Even if I could magically make another perfect-match SB appear on the scene I'd have trouble juggling them. One SB, job, household, kids, etc is more than I can handle already. The thought of the time and energy required for the M&G process is just too much.
My current plan is to let this one play out, make the most of it, and deal with the emotional consequences best I can when it ends. This ride has been sufficiently intense that it's unclear that would even enter the bowl again. This experience is a pretty tough standard to meet in terms of how good things can be, but also a cautionary tale on the emotional investment that can come along with it. This episode was a wake-up call that I need to actively moderate my affections towards my unicorn.I have trouble keeping track of each of the brothers' individual situations, so I don't remember if you have an SO (but I assume so since you mentioned household and kids). Assuming you do have an SO, I would just say you've gotten yourself in way too deep emotionally. There are far worse potential consequences to doing this than you've experienced thus far. What you're experiencing is just a normal type of jealousy that occurs whenever someone's been creeping around your back stairs. You've got time and money invested with her and you don't want to share her, you also want confirmation that she wants you bad enough to leave the other dude. The feeling itself is perfectly normal, but it behooves you to get control of it.
I'm sure someone, somewhere, occasionally emerges from an SB arrangement with a legitimate and fulfilling LTR or marriage (assuming that's what they want), but saying they are the minority is an understatement. I'm going to say not even 1% have a chance at their SB flipping into a faithful / loyal companion for life. The very fact that the girl ever positioned herself as an SB indicates an innate feeling of entitlement to things she did not legitimately earn herself -- rather she expects to receive support in exchange for her beauty. Long term, her beauty will fade but her sense of entitlement will only grow. Sugarbabying reinforces that sense of entitlement and sets them up for a lifetime of GPS for as long as they remain hot looking, and a lifetime of bitter, moody horrors beyond that point.
So, all of us should go into this hobby with NSA as a top priority, and that means sometimes pulling ourselves out of the danger zone, possibly even with the moral support and advice of brothers here. Once emotional strings form, it's time to do something to cut them. It's not always easy to be disciplined enough to do it. I had such an immediate connection with my last SB that it took me weeks to stop texting her and wishing I could see her again from the time I forced myself to stop. But time does heal these situations, and faster than you think.
In your case it sounds like she has given you a perfect window of opportunity to do what you need to do. First of all, it was nice of her to be honest with you about what happened, but the fact that it happened is grounds for letting her go. And, since she is somewhat distracted / conflicted right now, you can do so without guilt of worrying about hurting her, you can devote all your energy to dealing with your own addiction to her.
I would agree with others that the best immediate medicine is to go shopping for a new one, one without all the strings. There's always another one out there that's hotter than the one before. Just try to get in the habit of moving to the next one before getting in too deep.
Yeah, I've considered it, but only fleetingly. I barely have enough time for this one. Even if I could magically make another perfect-match SB appear on the scene I'd have trouble juggling them. One SB, job, household, kids, etc is more than I can handle already. The thought of the time and energy required for the M&G process is just too much.
My current plan is to let this one play out, make the most of it, and deal with the emotional consequences best I can when it ends. This ride has been sufficiently intense that it's unclear that would even enter the bowl again. This experience is a pretty tough standard to meet in terms of how good things can be, but also a cautionary tale on the emotional investment that can come along with it. This episode was a wake-up call that I need to actively moderate my affections towards my unicorn.Good advice from the brothers, but hard to do. I had an intense relationship with my ATF years ago. I was insane and would have run off with this SB 40 yrs my junior--for both of us a disaster. I haven't found the same thing years since. So I guess what I am saying is to allow this relationship to run it's natural course-whether she stays or goes. If she stays work on separating yourself emotionally -not that she would know, but you have to be able to deal with LAB (life after Baby). You might need some counselling. I heard pole dancers are good therapists LOL. I agree you should make time to add another SB to the mix. It won't be the same but you do need the perspective.
HollywoodGuy
03-22-15, 17:58
This, brothers, is the danger when it gets too deep. I care way too much about this. It's not the type of thing where I'm itching to just run off with her, since I know better than to think that would work out. But she fills many needs, not just physical, and when that eventually comes to an end it will be painful. And episodes like this eat up way too much mental and emotional energy that are better spent elsewhere. Fortunately they are rare.I unfortunately have gotten in too deep with a few girls. Lived with three already. Now I keep it cool. And always let them know upfront that I am nobody's B word. No offence. But as far as feelings. If I let mine get carried away then I am ready to pay the price. But having one baby is always a recipe for disaster.
you also want confirmation that she wants you bad enough to leave the other dude. The feeling itself is perfectly normal, but it behooves you to get control of it.Yes, SO and kids. And this was indeed a wake-up call to work on emotional detachment.
I'm sure someone, somewhere, occasionally emerges from an SB arrangement with a legitimate and fulfilling LTR or marriage (assuming that's what they want), but saying they are the minority is an understatement. I'm going to say not even 1% have a chance at their SB flipping into a faithful / loyal companion for life. The very fact that the girl ever positioned herself as an SB indicates an innate feeling of entitlement to things she did not legitimately earn herself -- rather she expects to receive support in exchange for her beauty. Long term, her beauty will fade but her sense of entitlement will only grow. Sugarbabying reinforces that sense of entitlement and sets them up for a lifetime of GPS for as long as they remain hot looking, and a lifetime of bitter, moody horrors beyond that point.As for her chances of a LTR in her life, I can't say. A seriously broken home is a huge hindrance to that. But I will say that I am completely certain that she is essentially not an SB, as generally understood by this board.
At the time we met she was in dire straits and was down to very few options. She had little choice but to accept the sugar, and I went out of my way to frame each one as a gift as much as possible. We went a little over a year in a standard sugar arrangement, during which time her situation improved by several orders of magnitude. It's not ideal, but it can at least be called stable. It's been six months since there was sugar involved. She has left the door open to the notion that I might help her again if she gets underwater, but other than that there is no discussion of it.
She has high aspirations and know she has a lot of work to do to achieve them. "Entitled" is about the last adjective that applies to her. A lot of support she gets from me these days is more of the "mentor / life-coach" variety.
So while you brothers who work the bowl more actively than I can claim a lot more insight into the dynamics of a typical SB, I can confidently say from both my own instincts and what I've read here is that she's not at all typical. I'd have to say that this has all but completely moved into the category of "affair", but without the usual threat to the main relationship. I didn't want to go there, but here I am nevertheless.
In your case it sounds like she has given you a perfect window of opportunity to do what you need to do. First of all, it was nice of her to be honest with you about what happened, but the fact that it happened is grounds for letting her go. And, since she is somewhat distracted / conflicted right now, you can do so without guilt of worrying about hurting her, you can devote all your energy to dealing with your own addiction to her.
I would agree with others that the best immediate medicine is to go shopping for a new one, one without all the strings. There's always another one out there that's hotter than the one before. Just try to get in the habit of moving to the next one before getting in too deep.For better or for worse, I'm already in pretty deep, and I don't think it's in much danger of getting deeper. We have both openly acknowledged that there is no long term future. There have been a couple of times where one or the other of us have considered ending it, and the emotional pain stirred up was about the same as this last episode. So the calculus is that having needs fulfilled for a longer amount of time won't have much effect on the pain of splitting up, so it keeps on for now.
Again, I could be wrong, and may come to regret all of these decisions. But I just wanted to share my cautionary tale. Especially the irony that even the unicorn carries its own issues.
(and this is not intended to be argumentative, just clarifying how my situation is atypical).
If she stays work on separating yourself emotionally -not that she would know, but you have to be able to deal with LAB (life after Baby).LAB is a good way to put it. And frankly, as much affection as I have for her, it would mostly be the hole she'd leave behind that causes the most emotional distress. No reason to pop open GV to see if there are any messages. No looking forward to the mini-escapes in the FC. Nobody to talk to about the trials of a stressful family life.
But I'd be kidding myself at this point to deny that there wouldn't be a more personal element to the emotional trauma. That part I can work on. The gap left behind is more difficult, the only real option being another SB. Again, I don't consider that a viable option right now. When LAB finally does arrive, I'll probably opt to see how well the gap heals before I subject myself to the perils of the bowl.
HollywoodGuy
03-22-15, 21:58
Ok. It's time for the lurkers to report. I have gotten PM's from people I have never even seen post here. And that's fine. But its like the same 10 guys doing all the posting. So please, entertain us with your stories of hunting and conquest. Pics are also appreciated. Or how about everyone give us their version of a 10. Not in the FC, just in the looks dept.
lets see there are lots of possible 10's. How about 5'5" about 105. Dark hair, green eyes. Small face, hands and feet. B cups and medium to dark skin. Worked out physique and doesnt talk much. lol. Or all that on a black girl with naturally straight hair. sexy
Strikeout.
I recently traveled to one of the southern states. I had a week in town and wanted to meet up with a few ladies. But I was unsuccessful. I actually use my account on SA a few weeks in advance and to chat up with a few ladies to arrange something during my visit. I sent out some messages to a bunch of ladies. I managed to gain the interest of five ladies.
Lady 1: We talked and chatted for a while. We even did some video chats. I managed to meet her for dinner at a restaurant. She had agreed previously that we would hand out for some private time for a late night stay over. But she change her mind after dinner. Apparently she had some things to do and could only stay for a short period of time. The most I manage to get was a covered BJ, which did nothing for me. I was feeling good about this one and I thought I had found the one. I could meet up with for my future trips to area. I took a risk and give her some funds to handle a bill. She spoke with me a few time via text messages. But I never heard from her again. I don't know, I just thought she was different and that I could build some type of trust with her. And to show her I was legit. So it would be much easier for me the next trip. *****.
Lady 2: We talked constantly via text messages and even chatting on the phone a few times before the trip. She sound excited and ready to meet me. But when I arrived either she either busy hanging with her friends or she went silent in between text messages for a long period of time. The last time I manage to speak with her and ask if she was wanted to meet up, she stated that she had a doctors appointment and couldn't meet up. After that I didn't even bother talking with her anymore. It was a waste of my time.
Lady 3: We talked constantly, she sent me pictures every other day. This is the one that I thought I had nailed down for the trip. But a day before my trip, she went silent and I didn't hear back from her again until the trip was over. She knew I was coming to town and knew how long the trip was for. I don't even understand this one, I really thought she was serious about meeting. After all the pictures and constant messages back and forth.
Lady 4: I had this one designated as my back up straight to the FC type of deal. My plan was to only contact her if things didn't go well with the other ladies. After I wasn't getting the response I had hoped for from Lady 1 and Lady 2. I called her and she was willing to meet up right away at a hotel. We had talk before about me providing compensation but not an exact figure. Before she came she ask how much she was getting, so I replied how much you want. She said $$ I declined. It double the maximum amount I was willing to spend and that didn't even include the room. She said I could afford her, and I hanged up afterwards.
Lady 5: After things went bad with lady 4, I called up this lady. We hadn't talk for about two weeks. This was my last ditch attempt to salvage something from my one month membership for entertainment on the side for this particular trip. She was willing to meet and I got the directions to her place. But things didn't go as plan. My intentions was to leave immediately but something came up and I had to delay for about 1. 5 hrs. I finally made to her place. She came out and we chatting in the car for a few minutes. She said she was expecting me to come right away and that her roommate was on her way home from work. So, I asked about some action in the car. She was uncomfortable so we drove around looking for a secluded spot, I couldn't find anything. So she started talking about how her roommate was on her way right now and she had to go. But ask if I could give her some money to pay her phone bill. I basically told she didn't do anything and I don't see why I should pay a bill when she could even give a BJ, her complaint was that the car windows wasn't tinted.
I don't even know what to say other than to just call it a learning experience. You know to actually be able to tell which girls are actually serious about meeting. I think if I was local and had more time cultivate something I would had some success because a lot of the females lost interest after finding out that I would only be visiting. But I tried counteract it, with future trips to the town but I was unsuccessful.
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Walrus, I feel for you! I'm in the midst of trying to seperate from my unicorn. 5'9", 125#, beautiful long lt brown hair, no kids, great connection, perfect in my eyes. Too perfect, I'm always thinking about her, way too much. I've come to the same conclusion that the others are offering, find another one. #2 (21,5'4", 110 lbs) and #3 (MILF spinner) all doing fine and still in the regular rotation but not near the connection as #1. Loaded some credits on the SB site, 1st m&g tomorrow night. Ill update if she doesn't flake. I'm sure if I devoted half my baby energy towards the SO, things would be great. But then I would be stuck with an anti-spinner mid 50's love life. Yeh, that aint for me anymore. I've got the bug I guess.
LAB is a good way to put it. And frankly, as much affection as I have for her, it would mostly be the hole she'd leave behind that causes the most emotional distress. No reason to pop open GV to see if there are any messages. No looking forward to the mini-escapes in the FC. Nobody to talk to about the trials of a stressful family life.
But I'd be kidding myself at this point to deny that there wouldn't be a more personal element to the emotional trauma. That part I can work on. The gap left behind is more difficult, the only real option being another SB. Again, I don't consider that a viable option right now. When LAB finally does arrive, I'll probably opt to see how well the gap heals before I subject myself to the perils of the bowl.
Again, I could be wrong, and may come to regret all of these decisions. But I just wanted to share my cautionary tale. Especially the irony that even the unicorn carries its own issues.
(and this is not intended to be argumentative, just clarifying how my situation is atypical).Understood. I actually thought she sounded atypical of a female in general when she so readily admitted to blowing a guy in the men's room. A lot of women (SB or not) have trouble being totally honest about the naughty things they do, and the fact that she came right out and told you says things about her that I can't really speculate about without knowing her. It could mean she has an exceptional amount of courage and integrity, or it could mean that she doesn't understand what raunchy behavior that is (I can't think of a less sanitary place to do anything sexual than a public restroom at a club), or it could mean something in between that nobody's thought of yet.
Actually the dilemma you're faced with right now doesn't seem all that terrible in the big scheme of things. I read about these guys with pregnancy scares, stalkers and extortionists and having been to those dark places myself in the past, it actually stresses me to read their stories and to watch them struggle with them. It seems to me you just have to figure out how you want to handle the situation in your own mind, so if it helps, you could always be glad she's got these other urges or activities going on that makes her not a direct threat to your household life.
I just know that when I look back at all the women that gave me headaches, internal dilemmas to struggle through, and what not, the main regret I have in retrospect is spending as much time with each one contemplating the situation I was in at the time. With almost everyone of them, the moment I made the conscious decision to stay away from them, I almost immediately hooked up with someone better. My big regret is not tearing myself away from them sooner. The only recent exception to that was when I split up for a while with my current GF. In that case I felt that, despite being free to tap into new and strange pussy, I was ultimately less happy than when I was together with her (thus the reconciliation). I figured that's how I knew I was really in love, when I missed her even as I was banging some new poon. If this girl is of that same ilk to you, then maybe she's worth the ongoing investment of time, but in my case it was only worth it to go back to my GF because I had made a decision to try and make a future with her. If I knew for sure it wasn't going to work out long-term, I'd drop her tomorrow and go back to sport fucking.
HollywoodGuy
03-23-15, 01:53
Speaking of 10's. This one lives a few blocks from me and agreed to meet. An admitted UTR with a full-time job. And she is pretty. Wish I could show you but need to protect her anonymity. She is an 8/10 for sure. It's very rare for me to get one this luscious. And I don't have her yet. But with a UTR I am going to get something. LOL. I guess most girls with a body like this, just can't help but get suspicious of any guys intentions. Sorta like being born rich.
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HoyaSvnFgr
03-23-15, 02:36
Is there a such thing as too much? The communication with my spinner fleeted. Amazing raunchy sex and I totally dominated her. It was awesome and then I got emotionally attached, which I suppose was my downfall. I jumped back in the bowl head on and lately have been taking no prisoners.
Last night, I met up with a 6/10, but amazing BJ. Once this girl gets started she never removes my cock from her mouth. I feel bad because I never offer her any $. We hit the bars up, and typically end the night at her place for the FC. Routinely, I leave out in the middle of the night.
This week, I've got several M&G's set up. I've never had to buy so many condoms in my life. I'm noticing I'm now having performance issues. I really have to step my game up in case another spinner comes through. With 8/10 - 10/10 SB's my adernaline is pumping so high that I perform a few hours straight. I'm afraid I might be draining myself out. I workout 2-3 times a week, but lately with the average SBs I don't have the all night drive.
Should I slow down or try to get a script for the Blue Diamond pills? Anyone know a reliable place to purchase them online. I've never tried them before.
DirtyDeeds38
03-23-15, 13:57
The need for variety and experiencing the known that new pussy brings and how the new ones will respond to me is overwhelming my senses again.
To refresh, my current SB, has basically turned real GF. She is hands down madly in love with me, wants a life, future and to move away with me on a moments notice. She begs for my attention daily. She is a spinner, as crazy kinky sexually as they come, loyal, loving, but not without her own problems. Body a solid 9, face an 8, overall a meek, submissive, college girl who does not quit!
So this bodes a new question for the forum. I like to believe I have an unbelievable nose for a girl leading me on, being fake, If it goes real, I will test them in every conceivable way possible. I have done that with this girl and she keeps coming back. My contributions are now very minimal, but she does want me still to give her money, but she is NOT greedy and never asks. She also wants me to put her up in a place, my offer, but now she needs it, etc.
The question? Can girls like this really dupe even us more seasoned veterans? Or can they truly be this genuine? I feel some of her loyalty might be based out of being a somewhat fucked up emotionally and insecure as is often the case with many of these girls. But I also feel she is genuine and would make a long life with me. As long as I could get my dick hard that is, as there is no way in hell this one goes without sex for more then a day or two.
I'm on the fence about letting her go. It will likely get messy, but I just have visions of fucking random women, getting all the experience I was not allowed in my youngers years. That temptation is overpowering what long standing SB has meant to me. I feel dark and evil in a way, but I am a man with a hunger for variety. Sexually. She would be ANY of you monger's dream. She will do any fucking thing to please her man and she does in such a way. She begs for my cum in a passive, feminine docile, submissive way. She just has that true nature about her we all dream of. But at the end of the day, even a girl like this can get old. I know if I let her go, I'll have some regrets. I'll want her back, I know myself.
Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.
Rant.
Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.
In terms of whether they are genuine or fake, at the end of the day it doesn't matter much if they believe what they said at the time they said it. They change their mind so often that it makes the truths of yesterday irrelevant to the truths of tomorrow.
As far as motive to walk away, I can only tell you that in all the girls I have dated or banged (it's quite a few, because I've been sexually active since my early teens), there is not one that I intentionally cut loose that I regret doing so. There are a couple that just didn't work out for various reasons that were great women and I miss them sometimes, but in terms of the ones where I just said "I'm done", it never did anything but benefit me. They almost all begged me to stay at first, but what happened over time was a lot more interesting. After their pain died down, most of them either contacted me out of the blue (or maybe I saw them somewhere later) saying they just missed the sex and wanted to get together just for a retro fuck. I will say that sometimes during a retro fuck, you have to be prepared for them to start crying, reminisce about old times and the mistakes they think they made, etc. But it's their nature to try to reach for more. Women want what they can't have. If you've dated them in the past and they developed strong feelings for you, those feelings will never really go away and if you bang them occasionally afterward you may need to deal with their emotions on a smaller scale, but if that doesn't bother you, then just know that dumping them only makes them more attracted to you, so their pussy will continue to be available when you want it, at least until they get involved with someone else seriously.
The only thing I don't like about retro fucks is the potential emotional drama after the sex, but that is very specific to the individual and they don't all do that. There have been many cases where I said point blank "well, you know I ended our relationship because I don't want to be serious with anyone, I just want to play around", and sometimes they respond to the effect of "well that's fine I'm okay with just being fuck buddies". It just depends on their outlook on life and what else they have going on.
DirtyDeeds38
03-23-15, 15:16
In terms of whether they are genuine or fake, at the end of the day it doesn't matter much if they believe what they said at the time they said it. They change their mind so often that it makes the truths of yesterday irrelevant to the truths of tomorrow.
As far as motive to walk away, I can only tell you that in all the girls I have dated or banged (it's quite a few, because I've been sexually active since my early teens), there is not one that I intentionally cut loose that I regret doing so. There are a couple that just didn't work out for various reasons that were great women and I miss them sometimes, but in terms of the ones where I just said "I'm done", it never did anything but benefit me. They almost all begged me to stay at first, but what happened over time was a lot more interesting. After their pain died down, most of them either contacted me out of the blue (or maybe I saw them somewhere later) saying they just missed the sex and wanted to get together just for a retro fuck. I will say that sometimes during a retro fuck, you have to be prepared for them to start crying, reminisce about old times and the mistakes they think they made, etc. But it's their nature to try to reach for more. Women want what they can't have. If you've dated them in the past and they developed strong feelings for you, those feelings will never really go away and if you bang them occasionally afterward you may need to deal with their emotions on a smaller scale, but if that doesn't bother you, then just know that dumping them only makes them more attracted to you, so their pussy will continue to be available when you want it, at least until they get involved with someone else seriously.
The only thing I don't like about retro fucks is the potential emotional drama after the sex, but that is very specific to the individual and they don't all do that. There have been many cases where I said point blank "well, you know I ended our relationship because I don't want to be serious with anyone, I just want to play around", and sometimes they respond to the effect of "well that's fine I'm okay with just being fuck buddies". It just depends on their outlook on life and what else they have going on.As always such sound and thorough advise from Jez! The part about never having regretted leaving one, kind of hit home with me. I have found the same to be true, but memory always fades me on that front and I think no girl better can come along and like you said, they usually do. Very true, in that women always want, what they can't have.
I'm parting ways and firing back up my SA account so hopefully I can have a new girl lined up to dive into to help me forget. One thing that I will not miss, is how sex, albeit on par with the best I've had, was quickly turning to work with this girl. How the fuck can a girl cum 30-50 times without tiring? My arms, cock, tongue and brain is seriously warped. I need a nice juicy tight responsive pussy that melts after she cums 3-4 times and needs some cuddles or something for a while. This girl wore me out.
Member #5055
03-23-15, 15:48
I have an old friend NSA friend from Richmond. Cute petite black girl spinner, upper 20's. Who is having some problems in OH.
She needs to get out -- and quite frankly do a casual date or two and get fucked a few times. Some modest $$ will also help her.
She is very intelligent and does a mean massage!
I introduced her to SA. And helped set her profile up so it reads well.
If there are any guys out there (SMs only) that are white gentlemen -- salt and pepper hair also helps -- then I will try to get you to the front of the line.
I will only hand out her SA I'd number to those I can see are local to her -- and of course you need an SA account.
Thanks in advance - please PM me.
GW.
FotoGuy1970
03-23-15, 15:48
A couple weeks ago, I found myself doing two back-to-back M&Gs, both non-local:
The first was in her early 20's, very cute to me personally but I could see why some guys would not go for her. Never had a SD before, previous M&Gs with other guys had been disappointing. But through texts we have really good chemistry so I'm thinking this could be a keeper. We met for lunch and it went great. Couldn't do much else besides a M&G because she had to be elsewhere, but I thought for sure this would be the start of a great relationship. But since then her communications have been slowly but surely dropping off. I suspect she's getting cold feet about getting physical with an older guy but she still enjoys talking to me on some levels.
The second was all but guaranteed to go to FC right after M&G. Her pics I had seen must have been older as she had definitely put on a bit of weight, but not enough to make her look unattractive. She's mid 20's, single mom, sex fiend, submissive, just wants to please daddy. We had a good M&G, went off to the FC where we spent half the night. She conveyed nearly 100% submissiveness and willing to try things she's never done before. A bit heaver than I like once the clothes come off, but still not bad at all. Her personality, skills, and eagerness make up for her lack of a petite body. We plan on seeing each other again very soon.
The need for variety and experiencing the known that new pussy brings and how the new ones will respond to me is overwhelming my senses again.
Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.
Rant.Deeds, I always think a bird in the hand, etc. Can you reduce your availability to her in some way while still enjoying her incredible assets? The other way to avoid a complete meltdown is Hollywood's way. Admit to a desire to bring other players on board.
The next option if you going for a full break is to line her up with Board members in your area to provide continuity of care.
The need for variety and experiencing the known that new pussy brings and how the new ones will respond to me is overwhelming my senses again.
To refresh, my current SB, has basically turned real GF. She is hands down madly in love with me, wants a life, future and to move away with me on a moments notice. She begs for my attention daily. She is a spinner, as crazy kinky sexually as they come, loyal, loving, but not without her own problems. Body a solid 9, face an 8, overall a meek, submissive, college girl who does not quit!
So this bodes a new question for the forum. I like to believe I have an unbelievable nose for a girl leading me on, being fake, If it goes real, I will test them in every conceivable way possible. I have done that with this girl and she keeps coming back. My contributions are now very minimal, but she does want me still to give her money, but she is NOT greedy and never asks. She also wants me to put her up in a place, my offer, but now she needs it, etc.
The question? Can girls like this really dupe even us more seasoned veterans? Or can they truly be this genuine? I feel some of her loyalty might be based out of being a somewhat fucked up emotionally and insecure as is often the case with many of these girls. But I also feel she is genuine and would make a long life with me. As long as I could get my dick hard that is, as there is no way in hell this one goes without sex for more then a day or two.
I'm on the fence about letting her go. It will likely get messy, but I just have visions of fucking random women, getting all the experience I was not allowed in my youngers years. That temptation is overpowering what long standing SB has meant to me. I feel dark and evil in a way, but I am a man with a hunger for variety. Sexually. She would be ANY of you monger's dream. She will do any fucking thing to please her man and she does in such a way. She begs for my cum in a passive, feminine docile, submissive way. She just has that true nature about her we all dream of. But at the end of the day, even a girl like this can get old. I know if I let her go, I'll have some regrets. I'll want her back, I know myself.
Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.
Rant.It has been my experience that they can do a 180 on you and forget the past. It is the estrogen they live with. Ultimately I've found the best way is to not get too close. Close is okay, but "too" is what I'm talking about. At the end of the day, like in business, you've got to have walk away power from a deal.
HollywoodGuy
03-23-15, 18:06
At the end of the day, like in business, you've got to have walk away power from a deal.Truer words were never spoken. You have to ready to walk even if it hurts, and sometimes it does.
So, while it's true that it's unfair to say she is always a hardened pro if she invites you over for the M&G, I'd say this is not a typical scenario with a responsible young lady, and in most cases we should be suspicious of any girl who doesn't want to meet in a public place first.I appreciate your perspective. The truth is, I was nervous as heck going to her apartment. That being said, we did not have a whole lot of conversation before we met. A couple of emails on the website, and then a brief exchange of texts. This was a number of years ago. But she was not looking for a green card, as she was not interested in marriage or children. She was just a grad student or post doc fellow (I forget which) working in a low wage job in her field, in an expensive city. She needed help, and since she didn't really date, sex. It worked out great for her. But like I said, she was older, and I think that made all the difference in both our comfort levels. But she was clear she didn't event want to be my girlfriend. But we drank a lot of wine, ate a lot of cheese and crackers and had a great time.
So while we are on the subject of where to go to meet a POT, I am extremely uncomforatble picking a young one up at a parent's house. Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.
Norm!!
Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.
Norm!!I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.
Copper Fool
03-23-15, 21:47
Tell her to be out front, roll up to her, open the door, she gets in, drive away. Wave to mom and dad as you leave. As long as you she and you act as it is normal, they will too.
I appreciate your perspective. The truth is, I was nervous as heck going to her apartment. That being said, we did not have a whole lot of conversation before we met. A couple of emails on the website, and then a brief exchange of texts. This was a number of years ago. But she was not looking for a green card, as she was not interested in marriage or children. She was just a grad student or post doc fellow (I forget which) working in a low wage job in her field, in an expensive city. She needed help, and since she didn't really date, sex. It worked out great for her. But like I said, she was older, and I think that made all the difference in both our comfort levels. But she was clear she didn't event want to be my girlfriend. But we drank a lot of wine, ate a lot of cheese and crackers and had a great time.
So while we are on the subject of where to go to meet a POT, I am extremely uncomforatble picking a young one up at a parent's house. Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.
Norm!!
Understood. I actually thought she sounded atypical of a female in general when she so readily admitted to blowing a guy in the men's room. A lot of women (SB or not) have trouble being totally honest about the naughty things they do, and the fact that she came right out and told you says things about her that I can't really speculate about without knowing her. It could mean she has an exceptional amount of courage and integrity, or it could mean that she doesn't understand what raunchy behavior that is (I can't think of a less sanitary place to do anything sexual than a public restroom at a club), or it could mean something in between that nobody's thought of yet.She has honesty and integrity to a fault. Honesty was the one thing she insisted on very early. (somehow she justified the cognitive dissonance that honesty wasn't an option with my SO).
As for the raunch factor, her immediate comment after telling me about the BJ in the restroom was: ". And I would not recommend it, by the way!" Then again, you can look back in the thread to see some of the way-out-there things we've done. And that's not the half of it, since I do have my scruples and don't want to overshare for all the usual reasons.
She's a unicorn because she's a perfectly sweet girl, has a good moral compass on the issues that matter, and can carry an intelligent conversation. Yet has a sex drive that is just crazy.
Actually the dilemma you're faced with right now doesn't seem all that terrible in the big scheme of things. I read about these guys with pregnancy scares, stalkers and extortionists and having been to those dark places myself in the past, it actually stresses me to read their stories and to watch them struggle with them. It seems to me you just have to figure out how you want to handle the situation in your own mind, so if it helps, you could always be glad she's got these other urges or activities going on that makes her not a direct threat to your household life.I've been extremely lucky to have found her amongst the other options that would have ranged from unsatisfying to outright disasters in the making. And at this point it's not much of a dilemma. We're back on track for now, my anxiety about it going the other way has passed.
After window shopping for the past 3 months, yesterday I decided to jump back in with a premium membership. And what do you know? I have 3 M&G's within 2 hours. And, 2 POTS which I will explain after the M&G's.
Tonight was #1. 27 y/o 7/9/?/? Pick her up at her place (can't drive now because of a dui) and we go to the other side of town to a Dunkin Donuts for coffee. Turns out she is the ex of a guy I know from the neighboring FD. Yikes! Well, I figure I'm going to plow ahead anyway. Pretty girl, big tits and a mouth I would love to have around my cock. We sat and talked for almost an hour before we got to the sugar discussion. Here's where it goes bad. She says she has had a couple of SD's in the past and they gave her $400 per date. I counter with $150. That pretty much ended it all. She wanted me to meet her half way but I decided to stand my ground. She's going to think about it and if she changes her mind she will let me know. I take that as NEXT!
Tomorrow afternoon I have a cocktail M&G with a 44 y/o ebony milf. She reminds me of Diamond Jackson if any of you guys watch porn. Not exactly what I am craving, but I think she could be a nice find. We will see how this one goes. I have found that the older one will sometimes accept lower sugar and host since they are usually not inundated with e-mails and offers from hundreds of other mongers.
Pot#3 is a 26 y/o 10/9/ Breakfast with her on Wednesday. E-mailing and texting with her has been very easy. We have not discussed sugar, but I now have a feeling she might be GPS. Another one that has had a SD before. This seems to be a common denominator in my experience. Anyway, depending how well we hit it off I may go up to $200 if she is hosting just to see how good she is. Of course, even that may not be anywhere near enough. I hope this works out as she has told me several times how she is very open minded. And we all know what that means.
So, now on to the other POTs. The warden and I are planning to move to Florida the end of this year. We are closing on a house the first week of April, so I know exactly where we are going to be. That being said, I have started the hunt in that area. I have come across 2 pots so far. The first is a 38 y/o MILF 7/8/?/? I have e-mailed her and spoke on the phone so far. Honestly, I'm not really feeling it with her but I guess I will keep her on the backburner just in case.
The other pot is a 29 y/o 8/9/?/? Very cute 5'3" average build blonde. I spent much of today e-mailing with her. I find her extremely easy to talk to. She says she is tired of dating guys her own age. The typical stories of how they don't know how to treat a lady her age. Another one that has had a SD before, so I am worried about the sugar discussion. She said she has had a bad experience in the past, stalker maybe?, so she's not ready to text or provide any more pics than what is on her profile. Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me. I plan on seeing her after the warden leaves since I will be there for a few weeks without her getting the place ready to move into.
So, my brothers, this brings another question to mind. Do you guys find that if they have had a SD before, regardless of age, the sugar expectation becomes much higher? I seem to be running into that more these days. My usual way of handling it is to explain that I can't afford that much at one time. But, with the lower sugar per date I can see her more often and thus the total could actually end up being more. Of course, that is a lie, but that's what I tell them. So far, it's only worked once. Is there a better way to handle that?
As always, thanks for any advice or comments. I will post the outcome of the above as things progress.
SkyHigh688
03-23-15, 23:05
I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.I am new to SD world. Just started this month in Detroit. I picked up a young girl from her parents place. It felt weird, I had a good time with her at my place that evening.
Been there, done that. I mentioned before about mom peeking out the door to see where her baby was headed out too. I pulled up in front of the apartment, WAY too close. I'm sure she could tell my eye color when she looked straight at me. Lesson learned, always picked her up a few places down after that. I've seen one of my current babies at her apartment shared with dad. Very close call with aunt stopping by just as we were pulling out. Not much I can say about that one beyond stupid.
I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.
M&G as planned this evening at a nice local bar. Early 30's (oldest baby thus far), 5'4", very well put together. Masters degree, very well spoken, actually talks non stop! Open to any topic and we explored a lot of areas. Looking forward to next meeting, wow, just what I needed to get my mind off of number 1. Walrus, try stepping away from yours for a bit, it may give you another viewpoint.
Walrus, I feel for you! I'm in the midst of trying to seperate from my unicorn. 5'9", 125#, beautiful long lt brown hair, no kids, great connection, perfect in my eyes. Too perfect, I'm always thinking about her, way too much. I've come to the same conclusion that the others are offering, find another one. #2 (21,5'4", 110 lbs) and #3 (MILF spinner) all doing fine and still in the regular rotation but not near the connection as #1. Loaded some credits on the SB site, 1st m&g tomorrow night. Ill update if she doesn't flake. I'm sure if I devoted half my baby energy towards the SO, things would be great. But then I would be stuck with an anti-spinner mid 50's love life. Yeh, that aint for me anymore. I've got the bug I guess.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-15, 02:30
Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me. One thing I have learned on this board and only recently put into practice is its ok to invest some time here and there with a reluctant girl. Many times they back out but sometimes they do come through. As long as I am not spending cash to do it. Here and there I will throw a $ at some girl hoping to get lucky. I have done it 3 times in the last six months. All to no avail. I have a nerdy NP spinner that is slowly coming around that I have been messaging with for 6 weeks. I used to just go straight for the FC everytime so my percentage of UTR's was higher. And I am not bored of them by any means but I like to have first time NP's as well. Even if I have to wait a little.
In the past the idea of spending weeks to woo some SB seemed ludicrous to me. As so many throw themselves at you. Even first timers. Plus I am a big believer in instant attractions. It doesn't hurt if you feel like the girl just cant wait to be touched by you.
Also I am totally on budget this month as my ATF's discounting has offset any extra expenditures. Any reckless spending by me at this time would shame me. So I have to stay focused. I am tempted to drop SD4M except there aare a lot of hot UTR's on there, So still using both.
I wouldn't normally put this kind of effort into a SB, but, since I can't meet up with her until the end of April anyway I figure it's worth making the time investment via e-mail and text to build up chemistry and try to lure her in. A bad experience with a former SD will make any of these girls very cautious moving forward. That is where she is at. So, I need to build up her trust and fortunately have the time to do so. She is very sweet and fun to talk with.
Parents: Be very careful when dating 18 -20 yr old Girls and picking then up at home. I did so one time and nothing happened. The Daddy was in the yard working on a jacked up truck and I slid by 20 ft away. Any (normal) parent would think it extremely weird and objectional for a senior citizen to pickup his teen daughter --for what?? You do not want a confrontation. I advise parking out of sight and let the SB walk to your location. A 10/10 Hispanic I had a M&G with walked 1 mile since her Daddy would have flipped if she was doing this.
Experienced SBs: Funny that this comes up on the Board today. I am in talks now with a cute 20 yr old whose former SD paid her a lot more than my offer. It is hefty but not GPS, so I can believe it to be true. Actually, I paid my former SBs more than I offer now but my finances are not as secure either.
HollywoodGuy
03-24-15, 12:37
Parents: Be very careful when dating 18 -20 yr old Girls and picking then up at home. I did so one time and nothing happened. The Daddy was in the yard working on a jacked up truck and I slid by 20 ft away. Any (normal) parent would think it extremely weird and objectional for a senior citizen to pickup his teen daughter --for what?? You do not want a confrontation. I advise parking out of sight and let the SB walk to your location. A 10/10 Hispanic I had a M&G with walked 1 mile since her Daddy would have flipped if she was doing this.
Experienced SBs: Funny that this comes up on the Board today. I am in talks now with a cute 20 yr old whose former SD paid her a lot more than my offer. It is hefty but not GPS, so I can believe it to be true. Actually, I paid my former SBs more than I offer now but my finances are not as secure either.I have never found this to be an issue. Just park a couple blocks away or meet at a local public place of their choice. I have had the approval of a few parent over the years as well. As the apple doesn't always fall too far from the tree.
DirtyDeeds38
03-24-15, 13:24
Long story short, I laid down the foundation for the dump so I can get back into the selective sugar bowl. (see prior post).
My SB / GF went nuts. Had a total breakdown. Went something like this. Her clutching me, scratching at me, trying to kiss my face off as she trembled in tears running down her body crying out she's]d wait for me forever and could never let another man so much as touch her, I showed her what love is and to be wanted for real. On and on the breakdown went. Screamed out all her deep seeded emotional issues. Tore off in her car screaming, crying and came back. Laid down on the ground trembling, crying until I comforted her. Then she asked me to dominate her one last time. Said she would go home and wait for me to figure myself out. Crying out how she could see her entire life with me and so on. Can't go five minutes without contact from me. As we lay on the ground making out and I'm about to fuck her right there, some cops showed up and shined their lights on us. Asked is everything was ok, then believe it or not, the one cop, "said resume, just keep it decent. Haha. We fucked right there, my knees are raw from the ground. Crazy night.
I think it's safe to say this girl is real with me. But I'm holding me ground and can't do a life of craziness. The girl is golden and ten years earlier, I'd take her away. I'm just too old for this kind of life of drama and such. I feel like shit today, but it has to be done.
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