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Gentlemen,
In perusing the journal as of late, it seems like many of us are winnowing our babies into one of three groups: keepers, one-offs and emergency-use-only.
With that in mind, I'd like to propose another acronym, BCB, or Booty Call Baby, for the latter category. I myself realize I have several of these, and they are usually hot-bodied little treasures, but will never make it into the realm of steady, regular rotation. They will never be ones that I deliberately make time for, but on the other hand I don't want to let them drift away.
Opinions?
Scott
Sorry, my brothers!
Did I miss the memo? I just read Fred's post, and it seems that this is already in play, at least by him. Bright minds and all that!
Carry on,
Scott
John G Smith
07-18-13, 17:01
Revvo,
This is a great idea! Don't know why I didn't think of it before. Right now I have my "gear" scattered among several hiding places, which I sometimes change and then forget about, affording me a very Bracing shot of adrenaline until I find whatever it is, usually my phone. My one hesitation is that it brings all the incriminating evidence against you into one very convenient place, should it ever be found. Sort of like the "doomsday" packs the Bush administration was urging us to put together in case Bin Laden ever came calling, but in reverse. Instead of saving our lives, discovery of this kit would surely end it.
But I like the "grab and go" aspect. Out of curiosity, what all do you keep in there?
ScottI agree with both points. Having a singular toolkit makes it easier for deployment and docking operations. But on the off chance you get interrupted on the way to the garage (maybe your SO happens to be outside when you come home) , you basically have a nuclear device strapped to your chest or sitting in the car. I also take the "scatter" approach with my gear. With this approach you probably run a higher risk of a single piece of a evidence getting exposed at some point but there's less risk of a catastrophic failure.
But to be honest, I've been trying to avoid having any "physical" gear to deal with around the house. I don't use a burner phone. I use a GV# which can be destroyed remotely within a few minutes if I have access to a computer. I don't keep any condoms, massage lotions, or toys around. If I buy them it's for a one-time use, then I toss them or let the SB store / keep them. Everything else of note is digital and I regularly do a "fire drill" to practice quickly scrubbing and locking accounts. If I ever sense there's a real danger of serious exposure or trouble, I can basically scrub my digital activities in 15 minutes via laptop or smartphone.
It's really just a matter of staying diligent and not getting too relaxed. You can have the greatest scrubbing / cleanup routine but it doesn't do any good if you get sloppy or complacent (which is exactly what happened to me). Your routine though should tailor your individual situation. Revvo said his SO is very short, so putting things in a high place in a room she never visits works well. For me, even though my SO is short she regularly uses foot-stools to reach high places and she goes through various parts of the house randomly, there's no "off-limits" zone for her. But when it comes to tech and computers, her knowledge is very minimal, so keeping things digital is safer for me than having a burner phone lying around somewhere. So your routine should really counteract your SO's strength and weaknesses.
Excellent points John G. Definitley play to your SO's weaknesses. Miine is not the thorough type. So this helps.
Since I use GV. I do not have a lot in my kit. Just condoms and Visa Gift Cards. So it is quite simple. I travel as light as I can. Little to keep track of.
Nothing is foolproof there will always be risk.
Revvo
GeorgeRichmond
07-18-13, 22:49
Excellent points John G. Definitley play to your SO's weaknesses. Miine is not the thorough type. So this helps.
Since I use GV. I do not have a lot in my kit. Just condoms and Visa Gift Cards. So it is quite simple. I travel as light as I can. Little to keep track of.
Nothing is foolproof there will always be risk.
RevvoGreat comments by Revvo and John. I plan to use GV and hoping there is no back tracing to your personal info.
Scott: Yes, I am married. But my big problem is not getting my needs satisfied. My SO acknowledge that as well.
I am enjoying this world but one problem though.
SDs that I met. Are pro UTRs. They told me the allowance upfront and when I reduced my amount, they reduced their time and frequency. Like 2-3 hours per meet and only twice a month. All of you in same boat? This is local only. There are SBs who can meet all day but allowance is too high. The one in NJ, is otherway around. Allowance is secondary. Though I assume is required. She asked me 1 time and then. Never discussed. But spent all day with her. Outdoor followed by indoor activities.
At this time. Have 1 good local SB, but clock watcher. And pro. Like to get allowance first. Which kind of disappointing, even after 2 meets by now.
I use GV for txting and calling. But I have only 1 cell which is used for business. So need to be careful. I fwd the txts from GV to my cell and try not to call using my cell. Calling is big problem. As my BB doesn't allow calling using Google voice. I may have to get a burner phone.
HollywoodGuy
07-18-13, 23:02
I am tired of all these detective stories. Lets see some pics.
Greg,
Pay for everything you can with cash. Cash is your best friend. I've gotten discounts on hotel rooms when I show up and say I'm paying with Bennies. I've also gotten the clerk to erase my info from the computers. Look into Greendot cards, both for yourself and your babies. You can buy them with cash and refill them that way as well. Use them to book rooms online, pay for your meds (if you need them) , and use them when checking in for the "incidental charges." When you register the one for yourself, you will need to give them an address (I use my work one) and a valid SS. This is the one hole in the cloak of invisibility, but it is a small one unless your wife hires a lawyer, in which case your goose is cooked anyway. It won't be the point of first exposure if you've done everything else right as outlined in the clubhouse journal in past pages. And train yourself to throw away all receipts immediately, keep a "scrubbed" car, and clean out your pockets every day before you come home. Make it an inflexible routine and you lessen the chance of blowing your cover.
I forget if you told us, are you married?
ScottF. Scott points out the MAJOR hole with Green Dot. You have to use a valid SSN. Years ago I was able to get one by saying to the rep I forgot my SSN. I ditched that card once I married. And I wish I hadn't. Since the Patriot Act. Trying to get a card without a SSN is a no-go now, or my social engineering skills aren't what they use to be.
If you ever need to get a credit report for a mortgage / refinance etc, the Green Dot is going to show up. Then, you have some splaining to do Lucy if your wife or SO looks at the credit report.
I put a fair amount of time in attempts to find a card that is renewable and you don't have to provide a SSN. Most of what I found were very sketchy cards for people to gamble online.
What I do now is reserve rooms with a personal card that has my office address, and pay in cash at check-in. Be careful that the type of reservation ISN'T pre-paid. Also be sure and pay at check-in. Some hotels now run your card at midnight.
There's a small risk with the above approach as the hotel does a card validity check. A private detective would have to be really good to get that info. If the info is even kept (I originally thought not. But now a days I think everything is kept).
So, brothers, an unexpected twist in my journey. Pardon the novella.
Given that this pretty much violates all of the rules and collected wisdom here, I do not recommend that anyone follow in my footsteps. Although I would be interested to hear of those that did and had good outcomes.
I also apologize for how light on details I'm going to be. Perhaps I'm being excessively cautious (which will be laden with irony in a moment) , but the less identifiable the incident, the more comfortable I feel about mine and my SB's anonymity. I'll also ask that why'all give me some benefit of the doubt. I did think long and hard about doing what I did, and we had a very long heart-to-heart talk about where this was going to go before I took the leap.
So, without further ado.
Like most of you, I find "deep cover" to be an intense challenge. For me, also a source of stress. But when a thermonuclear event hangs in the balance, you do what you have to. And I've been doing a decent job of it, with the exception that if hotels suddenly started posting their nightly guest list to the Internet I'd be totally cooked.
But then, in the process of arranging a visit to the FC, I ran into a combination of logistic hurdles that had me over a barrel. This particular visit had been planned, cancelled, planned again, cancelled, and the ducks were finally in a row. So when things started to go awry, I was very motivated to keep things on track, which is partly how I ended up where I did.
The overall shape of the situation was that the initial logistic hurdle was pretty much going to guarantee a blown cover. Additionally, at least for this somewhat unique visit, there were some other sudden complications that were most easily solved by just dispensing with deep cover.
Which is exactly what I did.
I already knew where she worked, almost exactly where she lived, and it was clear that I could at least make life very complicated for her if I wanted to. During our heart-to-heart, I mentioned this and assured her that I had no desire to or interest in doing anything remotely like that. But the fact remained that I'd really only be comfortable if there were some "Mutually Assured Destruction" dynamic in place. So to her credit, my SB broke her cover first, before I even committed to doing so myself. She also told me some of her deeper secrets (which were verifiable later) , the nature of which made it even more clear that if I wanted to cause trouble, it would cut deep.
Of course, a young SB always has much less to lose than a SD in a stable family.
But as I've read time and again here, the odds of sustaining deep cover with a long-term SB go down over time. So in some ways this was just another point on the risk continuum, and was probably inevitable anyway. It helped that even though the MAD was still asymmetric, it wasn't as asymmetric as most.
While I've only known her for a couple of months, we've communicated every day. Her biggest fault seems to be that she suffered some unusually harsh consequences to what were fairly normal lapses in adolescent judgment. Yet despite it all she has a sweet disposition, and there isn't the faintest whiff of vindictiveness. Which in the end was what finally tipped me.
So we traded peeks at our ID's, and rather than a hotel I took her to my guaranteed-to-be-empty-for-the-duration house. This introduced new dimensions to deep cover-leaving no trace in the house, not attracting notice of neighbors, etc. Having her there was a weird mix of relief yet new stress. So future home visits will be very rare. But in this specific case it made it much easier for me to maintain appearances.
So here I am, in this very unexpected place. On one hand, it feels like a big weight off my shoulders: only one deception to manage now. My SB made it very clear she understood what a big deal this was, and was honored (her words) to be able to share in a piece of the world I inhabit. If my demeanor didn't make it obvious that I lead a comfortable if unglamorous life, seeing it in person certainly should have.
On the other hand, I'm keenly aware that I've potentially added another fuse to the time bomb. But the time bomb was there to begin with, and there's innumerable ways it could blow. From the war stories here it seems like it's usually the thing you *don't* see coming that sets it off.
One could argue that perhaps I shouldn't be in the bowl to begin with. My deep cover collapsed in a matter of months. I certainly wouldn't be able to multi-task like some of the superstars on here. I'm fortunate to have found one very nice situation, and I'm enjoying it while it lasts. It's unclear that once it inevitably passes that I would have the fortitude to do it again. With the mind-bending memories we're making in the meantime, I'm not sure I'll have the need.
Be more careful than me out there.
Great comments by Revvo and John. I plan to use GV and hoping there is no back tracing to your personal info.
I use GV for txting and calling. But I have only 1 cell which is used for business. So need to be careful. I fwd the txts from GV to my cell and try not to call using my cell. Calling is big problem. As my BB doesn't allow calling using Google voice. I may have to get a burner phone.If you forward GV to phone registered to your name, Google can make the connection easily.
I use GV and a burner phone. I only forward to my phone prior to a meeting. I give my burner number to women whom I trust enough not to become stalkers or such. A rare few over the years have been given my personal number.
I like GV because I can also send and receive txt on my computer. To prevent Google from connecting the account to real me, I use a Virtual Machine (VM) that is used ONLY for mongering. The VM is encrypted on my laptop. I VPN (VPN account purchased via a gift card) from the virtual machine at boot. This way, hopefully, my mongering account cookies and IP's are never connected to the real me.
While the above seems pretty paranoid,"only the paranoid survive" as said by Andy Grove. The good of the above is that I think it does a reasonable job of keeping a wide moot between real me and monger me. The down side is I've noticed lately that making online purchases while VPN'd are often denied. In those cases, I usually am able to make the purchase from my burner phone.
I'd be curious to hear from any divorce lawyers on what and what can't be subpoenaed in a civil divorce case.
I had a bad month last month, and so I tried to spend what free time I had building my bench back-up.
One thing I've noticed about SD4M is that it is MUCH easier to get a response from women than compared to AM, but the flake factor is much higher. Part of this is that I need to adjust my game a bit, and I think also part of it is that the women are motivated differently. But, I've had several girls just vanish after I thought the email / txt'ing was going well. Is this normal?
As for rebuilding my bench, earlier this week I thought things were going well. I had five solid potentials:
1. 22 yod Jamaican fresh off the boat. 7/8/7?
2. 26 yod AA with her own car and place. 7/7/8?
3. 21 year old Dominican 10/10/7?
4. 19 year AA 8/9/8?
5. 19 year AA 9/9/9?
#1 wanted $500 per meeting after a week of great txt'ing. I passed.
#2 has vanished which is a shame as being able to host would have removed LOTS of logistical issues.
I had a M&G scheduled for #3 today, but she cancelled. I suspect a better prospect emerged as she's new. She wants to skype with me next week when I'm in LA. I guess she's keeping her options open.
I had a M&G with #4, and things were going well. I might have pushed a little too much after the M&G, and now she's "moving to NYC". She never had a SD before, and I think she was expecting that sex wasn't going to be involved.
#5 is still an enigma mostly. We've set a dinner date for when I return from LA. We'll see where it goes.
On the non-SB front, my greek MILF has returned. My KAL hottie that wants to start a family still wants to meet until she can find Mr. Right. I think she just likes crashing at my corporate apartment in Santa Monica!
One thing I've noticed about SD4M is that it is MUCH easier to get a response from women than compared to AM, but the flake factor is much higher. Part of this is that I need to adjust my game a bit, and I think also part of it is that the women are motivated differently. But, I've had several girls just vanish after I thought the email / txt'ing was going well. Is this normal?I feel you on the Flakes brother. I have always been the want it here now, and I want more type of person. So flakes have been a great character builder for me.
They have always frustrated me. I was on SA but found too many crazies and pros. I prefer SDFORme but the flake factor can be high. The younger the higher the flakes, the hotter the higher the flakes, the newer to the game the higher the flakes. Many times it is just a hot chick getting a better offer. Imagine what it would be like if you were young beautiful immature and guys were making you all kinds of offers all over the place. What would you do?
It is a challenge. I have fucked a lot of them and still go into phases where they just don't seem to respond well. So yes tune up your game. Stay confident and remember. There will be another 100 more babies on that site tomorrow. And the next day and the next.
I need to learn more from Hollywood on qualifying and getting that part right.
Good luck. Keep writing.
Revvo
HollywoodGuy
07-19-13, 15:13
F. Scott points out the MAJOR hole with Green Dot. You have to use a valid SSN. Years ago I was able to get one by saying to the rep I forgot my SSN. I ditched that card once I married. And I wish I hadn't. Since the Patriot Act. Trying to get a card without a SSN is a no-go now, or my social engineering skills aren't what they use to be.
If you ever need to get a credit report for a mortgage / refinance etc, the Green Dot is going to show up. Then, you have some splaining to do Lucy if your wife or SO looks at the credit report.
I put a fair amount of time in attempts to find a card that is renewable and you don't have to provide a SSN. Most of what I found were very sketchy cards for people to gamble online.
What I do now is reserve rooms with a personal card that has my office address, and pay in cash at check-in. Be careful that the type of reservation ISN'T pre-paid. Also be sure and pay at check-in. Some hotels now run your card at midnight.
There's a small risk with the above approach as the hotel does a card validity check. A private detective would have to be really good to get that info. If the info is even kept (I originally thought not. But now a days I think everything is kept).Put the green dot in the girls name? Have her make the purchases, room rentals, etc.
HollywoodGuy
07-19-13, 15:15
I had a bad month last month, and so I tried to spend what free time I had building my bench back-up.
One thing I've noticed about SD4M is that it is MUCH easier to get a response from women than compared to AM, but the flake factor is much higher. Part of this is that I need to adjust my game a bit, and I think also part of it is that the women are motivated differently. But, I've had several girls just vanish after I thought the email / txt'ing was going well. Is this normal?
As for rebuilding my bench, earlier this week I thought things were going well. I had five solid potentials:
1. 22 yod Jamaican fresh off the boat. 7/8/7?
2. 26 yod AA with her own car and place. 7/7/8?
3. 21 year old Dominican 10/10/7?
4. 19 year AA 8/9/8?
5. 19 year AA 9/9/9?
#1 wanted $500 per meeting after a week of great txt'ing. I passed.
#2 has vanished which is a shame as being able to host would have removed LOTS of logistical issues.
I had a M&G scheduled for #3 today, but she cancelled. I suspect a better prospect emerged as she's new. She wants to skype with me next week when I'm in LA. I guess she's keeping her options open.
I had a M&G with #4, and things were going well. I might have pushed a little too much after the M&G, and now she's "moving to NYC". She never had a SD before, and I think she was expecting that sex wasn't going to be involved.
#5 is still an enigma mostly. We've set a dinner date for when I return from LA. We'll see where it goes.
On the non-SB front, my greek MILF has returned. My KAL hottie that wants to start a family still wants to meet until she can find Mr. Right. I think she just likes crashing at my corporate apartment in Santa Monica!On SD4ME, get 'them when they sign up and meet them within a few days or lose them most of the time. Unless they are UTR
I feel you on the Flakes brother. I have always been the want it here now, and I want more type of person. So flakes have been a great character builder for me.
They have always frustrated me. I was on SA but found too many crazies and pros. I prefer SDFORme but the flake factor can be high. The younger the higher the flakes, the hotter the higher the flakes, the newer to the game the higher the flakes. Many times it is just a hot chick getting a better offer. Imagine what it would be like if you were young beautiful immature and guys were making you all kinds of offers all over the place. What would you do?
Good luck. Keep writing.
RevvoFlakes have a direct correlation to young new listers. I have lost 3 18 to 19 yr olds in the last month. I swore I wouldn't do teens anymore but they are so irresistible. The new posters get a huge amount of attention from us all. We all know to jump on them fast and hard. Also for me it is nice to break one in if she is truly naive. The scenario is probably the same for us all. You chat them up quickly and text back and forth. Then you make a M&G appointment all within a week. The day of the meet she goes silent. 3 times I tell you this month! Everything seems perfect and she says she is excited to meet, and boom! Gone. I agree with Hollywood that you have got to meet them in the first day or two. They get cold feet, get a million other offers, and blow you off. Many of them come back around because they find the grass is not greener with the fantastical offers. Mr Big bangs them and moves on. Those of us who are looking for longer term SBs have to wait out the flush before they circle back around.
John G Smith
07-19-13, 19:04
Walruscl. Yes, it's been mentioned that with Long Term SBs, it's very likely they'll eventually find out your real identity. Either there will be a slip-up on your part, hotel receipts, car registration, and etc or you'll just flat out tell her. If you know her personality type (a non-vindictive person) and there's mutually assured destruction, then disclosing IDs can be a non-lethal risk. And you really shouldn't do such disclosures until you've had your first argument, so you know how she acts when she's agitated or upset with you. And even then, I wouldn't show my LT SB directly where I live / work. I'll still let her try to figure it out, so there's some degree of uncertainty.
I've had three SBs know my real identity. Two were long-term SBs and one was a resourceful Pot SB who found a chink in my cover. With the two LT SBs I never had any problems and I had a lot of info on them as well. With one of them we've remained good friends and I know she would never do anything to harm me or my family. I had some info on the Pot SB, but I wasn't really comfortable with that situation so I quietly let her lose interest in me.
Once you cross the line and a SB knows your identity, then you MUST make sure when the arrangement / relationship ends that it's mostly on good terms. And even if the breakup is a bit rocky initially, you need to make sure you smooth things over within a couple of months so there's no lingering bitterness. After all, once a SB knows your identity she can theoretically pop into your life unannounced at a moment's notice at any time. A month from now or 2-3 years from now. And you never know, a nice girl today could end up being a Nando1 a few years from now. That's why so many guys here say NEVER blow your cover because there's no going back. There will always be a liability hanging out there.
That said, I totally feel you about the headaches of basically maintaining two covers. It's why despite the advice in this thread, once I'm with a LT SB who I trust more or less, I let her know my real name and do limited disclosures. It just makes my time together with her a lot more relaxing and less stressful. Generally with a LT SB, I may spend the whole day with them and it's just much easier not having to hide hotel bills, paying for alcohol, watching how I refer to myself in conversations, and etc. It's a definite risk, but we're all taking risks when we enter this lifestyle. It's just about the type of risks you're comfortable with accepting and avoiding unnecessary risks. The latter is subjective though. One man's necessary risk is another man's foolish errand.
Hernando bro,
I hear you, bro. Last month, I scored none. Zero SB. Got tons of text / mails. Similar to you, I messaged them first day they joined, and got a lot of interactions. Once M&G is scheduled, radio silent. Learned from my past experience, I texted them a couple of hours before the M&G, and told them that I won't be there if they won't send me a confirmation. Beside young SBs, several MILFs were like that as well.
In fact, I got a text from one of these MILFs 3 am in the morning asking me to book a room for her and her daughters because her ex is scaring them. I texted her back in the morning saying that I am not comfortable of doing it since we never met. This MILF: we scheduled M&G 3 times before and she backed out all.
I stopped renewing my SDFM account and is taking a break now.
Flakes have a direct correlation to young new listers. I have lost 3 18 to 19 yr olds in the last month. I swore I wouldn't do teens anymore but they are so irresistible. The new posters get a huge amount of attention from us all. We all know to jump on them fast and hard. Also for me it is nice to break one in if she is truly naive. The scenario is probably the same for us all. You chat them up quickly and text back and forth. Then you make a M&G appointment all within a week. The day of the meet she goes silent. 3 times I tell you this month! Everything seems perfect and she says she is excited to meet, and boom! Gone. I agree with Hollywood that you have got to meet them in the first day or two. They get cold feet, get a million other offers, and blow you off. Many of them come back around because they find the grass is not greener with the fantastical offers. Mr Big bangs them and moves on. Those of us who are looking for longer term SBs have to wait out the flush before they circle back around.
Well, as I said, I wouldn't recommend that anyone follow my footsteps. But your insights are worthwhile and helpful, and your good luck with previous SB's is reassuring.
Waiting for an argument is a good idea. I did a rather pale imitation of that during our heart-to-heart, where I asked her what her reaction would be if I told her right now that I wasn't able to continue the relationship. While it's not as good as the argument litmus test, the response I got seemed sincere and was reassuring.
As for showing where I lived, there were at least short-term reasons to do that. And long-term, once she knew my rather unique last name, everything about me is a quick Google away. Since there would be very little uncertainty, I opted for trust-building in hopes that when eventually things wind down, it's a soft landing.
Also good advice is to bring things to closure on friendly terms. Failing that, she will be vulnerable to my knowledge of her personal history for some time to come. The calculated risk is that by the time that leverage fades, so would any interest on her part to make trouble for me.
I'll be the first to admit that I may very well come to regret this decision. Should that come to pass, I can only hope that it will be in the form of stress and damage control rather than the triggering of a thermonuclear event.
But as you say, the risks are plenty, and comfort zones vary.
Thanks much for offering your insights. Wish me luck.
Walruscl. Yes, it's been mentioned that with Long Term SBs, it's very likely they'll eventually find out your real identity. Either there will be a slip-up on your part, hotel receipts, car registration, and etc or you'll just flat out tell her. If you know her personality type (a non-vindictive person) and there's mutually assured destruction, then disclosing IDs can be a non-lethal risk. And you really shouldn't do such disclosures until you've had your first argument, so you know how she acts when she's agitated or upset with you. And even then, I wouldn't show my LT SB directly where I live / work. I'll still let her try to figure it out, so there's some degree of uncertainty.
I've had three SBs know my real identity. Two were long-term SBs and one was a resourceful Pot SB who found a chink in my cover. With the two LT SBs I never had any problems and I had a lot of info on them as well. With one of them we've remained good friends and I know she would never do anything to harm me or my family. I had some info on the Pot SB, but I wasn't really comfortable with that situation so I quietly let her lose interest in me.
Once you cross the line and a SB knows your identity, then you MUST make sure when the arrangement / relationship ends that it's mostly on good terms. And even if the breakup is a bit rocky initially, you need to make sure you smooth things over within a couple of months so there's no lingering bitterness. After all, once a SB knows your identity she can theoretically pop into your life unannounced at a moment's notice at any time. A month from now or 2-3 years from now. And you never know, a nice girl today could end up being a Nando1 a few years from now. That's why so many guys here say NEVER blow your cover because there's no going back. There will always be a liability hanging out there.
That said, I totally feel you about the headaches of basically maintaining two covers. It's why despite the advice in this thread, once I'm with a LT SB who I trust more or less, I let her know my real name and do limited disclosures. It just makes my time together with her a lot more relaxing and less stressful. Generally with a LT SB, I may spend the whole day with them and it's just much easier not having to hide hotel bills, paying for alcohol, watching how I refer to myself in conversations, and etc. It's a definite risk, but we're all taking risks when we enter this lifestyle. It's just about the type of risks you're comfortable with accepting and avoiding unnecessary risks. The latter is subjective though. One man's necessary risk is another man's foolish errand.
Now that is something that I would never do. Now mind you, that list is very short, but it's definitely on there. I will say this out of all the ones I've been with. 4, I have given my real info to and 2 have gotten it either by taking advantage of minimal information I gave them or by being sneaky and going through my items.
One case she decided she didn't want to continue and in the other case she was my extorionist! I will give my first
BT.
Well, as I said, I wouldn't recommend that anyone follow my footsteps. But your insights are worthwhile and helpful, and your good luck with previous SB's is reassuring.
Waiting for an argument is a good idea. I did a rather pale imitation of that during our heart-to-heart, where I asked her what her reaction would be if I told her right now that I wasn't able to continue the relationship. While it's not as good as the argument litmus test, the response I got seemed sincere and was reassuring.
As for showing where I lived, there were at least short-term reasons to do that. And long-term, once she knew my rather unique last name, everything about me is a quick Google away. Since there would be very little uncertainty, I opted for trust-building in hopes that when eventually things wind down, it's a soft landing.
Also good advice is to bring things to closure on friendly terms. Failing that, she will be vulnerable to my knowledge of her personal history for some time to come. The calculated risk is that by the time that leverage fades, so would any interest on her part to make trouble for me.
I'll be the first to admit that I may very well come to regret this decision. Should that come to pass, I can only hope that it will be in the form of stress and damage control rather than the triggering of a thermonuclear event.
But as you say, the risks are plenty, and comfort zones vary.
Thanks much for offering your insights. Wish me luck.
I feel you on the Flakes brother. I have always been the want it here now, and I want more type of person. So flakes have been a great character builder for me.
They have always frustrated me. I was on SA but found too many crazies and pros. I prefer SDFORme but the flake factor can be high. The younger the higher the flakes, the hotter the higher the flakes, the newer to the game the higher the flakes. Many times it is just a hot chick getting a better offer. Imagine what it would be like if you were young beautiful immature and guys were making you all kinds of offers all over the place. What would you do?
It is a challenge. I have fucked a lot of them and still go into phases where they just don't seem to respond well. So yes tune up your game. Stay confident and remember. There will be another 100 more babies on that site tomorrow. And the next day and the next.
I need to learn more from Hollywood on qualifying and getting that part right.
Good luck. Keep writing.
RevvoWell said on all points. We call can learn from Hollywood.
Interestingly enough the 26 yod that vanished reappeared last night. Evidently an emergency back home (west coast). She broke her Google Voice cloak and txt'd me from her real phone number so I'm pretty sure its legit.
The other bonus here is she's not looking for sugar. She has a professional job, her own condo, and car. She just wants a little romance and passion without complications.
Flakes have a direct correlation to young new listers. I have lost 3 18 to 19 yr olds in the last month. I swore I wouldn't do teens anymore but they are so irresistible. The new posters get a huge amount of attention from us all. We all know to jump on them fast and hard. Also for me it is nice to break one in if she is truly naive. The scenario is probably the same for us all. You chat them up quickly and text back and forth. Then you make a M&G appointment all within a week. The day of the meet she goes silent. 3 times I tell you this month! Everything seems perfect and she says she is excited to meet, and boom! Gone. I agree with Hollywood that you have got to meet them in the first day or two. They get cold feet, get a million other offers, and blow you off. Many of them come back around because they find the grass is not greener with the fantastical offers. Mr Big bangs them and moves on. Those of us who are looking for longer term SBs have to wait out the flush before they circle back around.Very true. The 19 yod that I had the M&G with said that the first guy she met made LOTS of promises and never delivered. Told her to quit her job and he'd cover her with an allowance which never materialized. She said almost didn't come back to the site, but decided to do so one last time. We're still in contact I've switched to a longer game just in case she doesn't go to NYC.
I thought I'd post a short bit on doing SB diligence.
I've seen several posts where brothers have google'd names, phone numbers, email addresses, and images as part of their diligence process. This is easy with Spokeo and a number of other services. Another aspect of diligence is determining if your SB is really where she says she is. I've caught more than a few on AM who were half-way around the world from where they say they were located.
Yahoo right now is the only major email system where you can trace the sender's IP address. Although, I've noticed that some times even Yahoo is now blocking the sender's IP. What isn't widely known is that you can easily geo-locate with Skype. Just google 'skype resolver' and you'll see a few web sites listed. I use skype2ip. Org myself. Skype has a little known issue where you can usually determine a user name's last IP address. This easily gives you the location via any number of geo-location databases. Skype2IP has a link you hit and brings up a map.
One important point is that the geo-location of the IP address some times isn't all that accurate. It may point the main office of Comcast or Verizon at times. If that happens, there are other ways to verify a general location with an IP address. If there's, interest I can post more info.
The most important aspect though is to remember that this can be done to YOU just as easily. This is the main reason why I VPN (Witopia or PIA) ALL of the time. $70 / yr is cheap insurance.
BR
Any SD's near Louisville, KY message me asap for a potential gold mine.
What's interesting about this is the different experiences and perspectives we bring. BigTigger you are one of the superstars, and seem to have pretty much done and seen it all. So you've seen the types of SB's for which full disclosure would be suicide. Understandable then that would be just somewhere you'd never want to go.
In my short experience, I've come across one UTR, a pair of seemingly-harmless MILFs that I just couldn't quite get comfortable with, a HCB that also seemed "off" and then I think got cold feet, a number of GPS's the were stillborn early, and another young MILF that was almost to closing the deal when I overreacted to a situation that really didn't seem right.
On the last one, I'm still not sure whether it was an overreaction or my BS detector being turned up and actually getting a positive reading. I know that when I did more due diligence, she hadn't done sufficient deep cover to prevent me from finding her Facebook page. What I found there was disturbing enough that I'm glad it fell through. Even if it had proceeded, I don't think I ever would have had an inclination to break cover with her.
With my current (and yes, only) SB, I just got none of those vibes at all. Hopefully my usually-reliable judge of personality is still on target.
I'm glad to hear the insights. It's sounding like the community opinion is that while it was a really risky thing to do, breaking cover with the right SB is not automatically fatal.
Now that is something that I would never do. Now mind you, that list is very short, but it's definitely on there. I will say this out of all the ones I've been with. 4, I have given my real info to and 2 have gotten it either by taking advantage of minimal information I gave them or by being sneaky and going through my items.
One case she decided she didn't want to continue and in the other case she was my extorionist! I will give my first
BT.
Wow, WTF? What kind of scumbag would do that? I mean really, even if the SD was sincere (which is a stretch), there are all sorts of reasons for either party to want to bail. In which case the SD goes his merry way and the SB is out of a job.
Hopefully she was smart enough to see through that before too much damage occurred.
Just, wow.
Very true. The 19 yod that I had the M&G with said that the first guy she met made LOTS of promises and never delivered. Told her to quit her job and he'd cover her with an allowance which never materialized.
As a relatively long time member of this forum, mostly with posts in the Northeast and a bit in Montreal & Las Vegas. I have just found this SB thread in the last 3 or 4 days. I've gone back on this sb thread and read for hours. I am soaking it up like a sponge. Great material. I'm 67 and would love being a SD to a gorgeous young bb. Wish I had the cash and the 'game' to become a full fledged member. Though not going to happen. I will stick with my $160 an hr. Asian BP girls.
About a year ago at Harrah's in Atlantic City I had the privilege of playing a crap table that happened to also have a man of about 70 or so who was no doubt 'with' arm in arm a beautiful young bb of about 25. I felt he was the luckiest sob I had seen in a very long time. She was gorgeous but not overdressed at all, with the GND look. The thought of that older guy with her has been in my memory bank since that night. .
Anyway to the subject of the above title.
I have found this (new to me) web site called you jizz live dot com. You have to be a member to chat with these beauties, who are from many parts of the world but mostly Eastern Europe, Russia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Hungary, etc. And USA. The age range is 18 to? But mostly at the younger range and you do not necessarily have to pay the outrageous minute to minute fare. Some of them (not all!) are very willing to chat for long periods of time for no pay (and I always am truthful of my age), even though the admin's at that site do not appreciate free chat at all. Actually the cam girls portion of the fare is a very minimal amount. They are working, often completely naked and doing practically anything you want for a horrendously small amount of hourly pay. I'm telling you some of these girls are absolutely beautiful AND in need of money!
The reason I bring all this up is I am guessing some of these girls could be enticed into the Sugar Bowl by a few of the regular contributors of this thread. A little 'game' is needed. But the rewards could be gratifying.
I'm just not sure that for some bb's the step from camgirl to sb is too big a step and implies more than they are willing to accept?
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. Also will continue to read this thread with enthusiasm.
Looking16
I have found this (new to me) web site called you jizz live dot com. You have to be a member to chat with these beauties, who are from many parts of the world but mostly Eastern Europe, Russia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Hungary, etc. And USA. The age range is 18 to? But mostly at the younger range and you do not necessarily have to pay the outrageous minute to minute fare. Some of them (not all!) are very willing to chat for long periods of time for no pay (and I always am truthful of my age) , even though the admin's at that site do not appreciate free chat at all. Actually the cam girls portion of the fare is a very minimal amount. They are working, often completely naked and doing practically anything you want for a horrendously small amount of hourly pay. I'm telling you some of these girls are absolutely beautiful AND in need of money!
The reason I bring all this up is I am guessing some of these girls could be enticed into the Sugar Bowl by a few of the regular contributors of this thread. A little 'game' is needed. But the rewards could be gratifying.
I'm just not sure that for some bb's the step from camgirl to sb is too big a step and implies more than they are willing to accept?I spend alot of time in southeastern europe for work, and have been in Russia, Czech Rep, and Ukraine as well. There is actually a much higher likelihood that girls there would accept a sb / sd relationship. They actually refer to it as being "sponsored". The problem is that the odds of getting a tourist visa for any of them to visit you here is practically zero. That means going there for the reward. Which is not as challenging or expensive as it sounds, but you're limited to relatively short relationships.
HollywoodGuy
07-22-13, 03:36
I have found this (new to me) web site called you jizz live dot com.Looks like you have to leave a CC # to log in. Says they won't charge it. Whats up with that?
Looks like you have to leave a CC # to log in. Says they won't charge it. Whats up with that?Hollywood, That is true yes. I have a card registered with the site and have used it on occasion. Sometimes I have no will power and girls seduce me into their bowl. .
Once registered you are free to browse and chat with girls on the site free of charge. Pay only when you choose to go 'private'.
It's just a different front for Streamate, and a dozen other cam model sites with internet models from camsharks, KGB studios and others. If you want a live sex show, the gold shows might be a good value, but don't fool yourself, the girls are here to make money and you will never meet one in real life.
I already knew where she worked, almost exactly where she lived, and it was clear that I could at least make life very complicated for her if I wanted to. During our heart-to-heart, I mentioned this and assured her that I had no desire to or interest in doing anything remotely like that. But the fact remained that I'd really only be comfortable if there were some "Mutually Assured Destruction" dynamic in place.
So we traded peeks at our I'd's, and rather than a hotel I took her to my guaranteed-to-be-empty-for-the-duration house. This introduced new dimensions to deep cover-leaving no trace in the house, not attracting notice of neighbors, etc. Having her there was a weird mix of relief yet new stress. So future home visits will be very rare. But in this specific case it made it much easier for me to maintain appearances.Mr Walrus,
Forgive me if what I am about to say sounds harsh, but honestly I really do think you need to re-examine your situation and what you are attempting to do to your life in the short / mid / long-term.
From an outsiders perspective this looks to me like the actions of someone who secretly is wishing to get caught. Perhaps that is the case & obviously none of us here on this board has picture-perfect marriages, if we did we wouldn't be here right?
However let me just ask you to be honest with yourself & suggest that if ending your marriage is indeed something you deep down wish to do, there are a lot cheaper & less embarrassing avenues to go about it than be caught in an affair!
Let's give your Sugar-baby the 100% benefit of the doubt for a moment. She rates as high as possible on the Nando-scale & she truly is one of the hidden gems out there right?
You made a not-so-overt threat against her prior to disclosing your identity with the concept of "Mutually assured destruction" to keep you safe. Here is how the dynamic of your "MAD" standoff works at present:
You are holding a pair of dull chopsticks to her throat, and she has a sawed-off 12 gauge pointed at your crotch!
She has SO MUCH less to loose than you do, it's not even funny!
Now go into the bathroom, look yourself directly in the mirror & repeat this phrase 10 times:
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
"This is a woman who fucks guys for money"
This one completely has you by the short & curly hairs & you are just giving it to her willingly.
My man, if I were you I would hope beyond hope she really is one of the 'cool' ones and try to end this as softly as possible & then try (pray) that you can walk away. Hell, you may even have to sell your house & move to another city. I would turn this into a platonic friendship as soon as possible & you may even have to keep the sugar going for a while to lighten the blow with her.
Conversely, you may need to start doing things to make her be the one to want to break it off. That would be your ideal out right now. Perhaps stop showering for a few days before each date? Show up drunk to EVERY meeting. Confess to her our hidden desire for 'golden showers / scat play'. Find out a way to get yourself a permanent case of E. D. (Perhaps by watching large quantities of Hungarian Grandmother porn prior to each encounter?) , so that each 'sexual' encounter turns into an embarrassing / awkward situation for both of you. Etc Etc.
Whatever it takes man, but honestly I do not see a happy ending in your future if you continue down this path.
Again, I apologize for sounding harsh. It is not my intention to judge you unfairly. I simply want you to come out of this with your skin intact!
-Chi
the girls are here to make money and you will never meet one in real life.I agree with the fact it will not be me. Not enough cash or game. From reading so many of the stories in this thread about young sb's with older men, we all know it can and does happen regularly. And yes with girls from the aforementioned site it is also possible. More than likely the strike-out avg would be high for sure but some are only one step away from sb status.
The biggest advantage is seeing them live on screen and can decide in short time whether to pursue.
They are all in 'need of money' and would love a much easier life style.
Again just my honest opinion.
Gentlemen,
I was working at home the other day, and had, among other things, my burner phone out on the desk, along with my real phone, calculator, and ipod. In other words, surrounding my laptop were a number of similarly-sized devices, when my SO walked in suddenly and unexpectedly, with no time for me to grab the burner without her seeing the motion. I pretty much wet myself at that moment, but kept my cool long enough to palm the burner when her attention was diverted.
I honestly thought there was no way she could not have seen it, and was walking on eggshells for the next few days. This happened last Wednesday, but since then all has been sweetness and light, so I now believe the Sugar Gods were smiling on me, and I am in the clear, thank the lord.
I did, in my panic, come up with what I think will be a more-than-plausible strategy should this ever happen in the future, which I would like to share with you all. Later on that day, I went to the drugstore and bought an identical pay-as-you-go phone to the one I use for Sugar Business, scuffed up the outside on the pavement, and threw all the packaging, including the battery, into the trash.
My thinking was this: if my SO was waiting to lull me into a false sense of security, then ask me about the burner she saw on my desk, my play would be that I found it in the parking lot, and was hoping to see if I could either figure out who it belonged to, or to see if I could use it myself, but the battery was missing, and I hadn't gotten around to throwing it out yet. I would then produce the "decoy" phone, hand it to her, and let her do with it as she wanted. Obviously, this would require a great deal of sange froid on my part, but I have rehearsed it enough in my head that I believe I can pull it off.
Since she has not said anything yet, I am holding on to the decoy against the time when I might slip up again, although I have to admit that the jolt of adrenaline I experienced when she walked through the door is not anything I want to feel again, ever. I am back to my standard safe practices routine, and have even found a new hiding place for my "kit" under the dashboard of my car, which my SO never drives.
I share this in the event that some of you may want to get out ahead of a potential situation by buying your own decoy phones and just hanging on to them. Mine cost $15, a staggering bargain compared to the cost of a divorce.
In the immortal words of Brother Revvo,
Be careful out there!
Scott
"The biggest advantage is seeing them live on screen and can decide in short time whether to pursue.
They are all in 'need of money' and would love a much easier life style."
The only problem with that is, if she gives out her personal contact information, she looses her job (if the site finds out). I can't imagine one willing to risk it, but if you "got game" enough, have at it man!
HollywoodGuy
07-23-13, 03:53
"The biggest advantage is seeing them live on screen and can decide in short time whether to pursue.
They are all in 'need of money' and would love a much easier life style."
The only problem with that is, if she gives out her personal contact information, she looses her job (if the site finds out). I can't imagine one willing to risk it, but if you "got game" enough, have at it man!As long as you can group chat for free it could be worth it sometime. And they don't ding your card. You might get a month or two free before they block your IP.
As long as you can group chat for free it could be worth it sometime. And they don't ding your card. You might get a month or two free before they block your IP.I've been on there for a long time, haven't used the card for 6 months, not blocked yet.
And for those who think these girls all do it because they need the money so badly, find one named DDDiamonds and ask her for a video tour of her Mansion there in Puerto Rico, Ask her to include the garage with her Mazzarati and her hummer. As well as the backyard pool and hot tub.
I've been on there for a long time, haven't used the card for 6 months, not blocked yet.
And for those who think these girls all do it because they need the money so badly, find one named DDDiamonds and ask her for a video tour of her Mansion there in Puerto Rico, Ask her to include the garage with her Mazzarati and her hummer. As well as the backyard pool and hot tub.For those that think these girls are all rich. Chat with 100's of others. Just sayin.
(For those veterans on this board with legitimate posts to make. My apologies. I will not post about this again.)
Gentlemen,
I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!
To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.
Feel free to disagree,
Scott
Gentlemen,
I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!
To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.
Feel free to disagree,
ScottI definitely Agree!
So here is how things have lined up this week
ATF #1
10/10/10/8 Since we've renewed our relationship things are pretty good. She doesn't like to kiss so I have downgraded her to an overall 8. Otherwise she is a perfect 10. Her body is AMAZING! It is truly a joy to watch her in the nude.
Backup Babies (BB) SB #1 and 2 got the pink slip this week. They are too expensive for the mediocre experience. They are both BBWs and carry a little too much weight for me. They are both willing to provide on call services so if things got desperate I could always do that.
POT # 1 is on deck tonight for a M&G and is a 80% FC. She is a 28 yr old WF 8/9? She has kids and requires a hotel, so I am giving her $300 total which includes FC, gas, and sitter. Unfortunately she can only stay a few hours to play. But that should be enough to get the job done (hand, face, and vagina) If she is loving she could take the place of ATF in the lineup. Emotional connectivity counts for a lot even over a perfect 10.
SB # 1 is a 9/9/9/7 She is 22 with a blisteringly good body and cute face but has a baby and smokes heavily. So the overall experience is so so. If she lived closer I would make her a fuck buddy.
So there it is. I have 2 sure things and 1 almost in the bag. Three is the most I can afford and service properly and still take care of family and work business.
HollywoodGuy
07-24-13, 17:54
I like the nando scale. It really made me re-evaluate some of my choices.
This rating system is only my own. It is actually far more nuanced, but kept brief for easy reading.
1. Girls that go on the SD sites just to fantasize. Could be any age but mostly younger. OMG time wasters.
2. GPS girls. Enough said.
3. SW's or Escorts. If thats what you like, who am I to judge.
4. Wannabee's. Not good enough looking to be an SB. They're willing, you're not.
5. Dancers. Even though I date one. I met her before she became one.
6. UTR girls. Sometimes refered to as booty call girls. Smart escorts or even SW's will try to pretend they are UTR.
7. MILFS. They are all over the place as far as needs / wants / desires. But not too difficult to bag.
8. Older non pros. Statistically most SD's want 27 to 35 year olds.
9. Younger non pros. 22-26. They already have a few ideas and a little mileage.
10. Very young non pro first timers. 18-22. Never took cash or gifts from anyone ever, you are the first.
As far as age / race / skills / personality / body type / facial beauty / hair / overall style. Everyone here has their own ideal.
I find that harder to rate and see no reason to.
Brothers,
I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?
I await enlightenment,
Scott
And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, lol! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.
Peace.
Somewhere along the line, someone was asking about the security of Google Voice with regard to hobbying. In short, it ain't secure at all. It needs your real phone number to connect calls and texts to your phone, which can be traced to you with a court order. It is true that you can use it without attaching it to any phone at all, but then you need to use a computer for everything, which activity can be traced as well.
It is however, a great convenience for the features, especially the number blocking,"Do not disturb" and different notification settings for different numbers.
You can't get away from a computer completely if you use an iPhone (neither the GV mobile web site, nor the iPhone app let you manage Google contacts, where you do all the good stuff about blocking and notifications) , but an Android phone may. I don't know about that, so you'd need to experiment.
Good luck.
Brothers,
I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?
I await enlightenment,
Scott.
And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.
Peace.For me, UTR has always meant a pro who doesn't advertise, or only advertises occasionally, or keeps only a few familiar clients and doesn't stray from them very often except in special cases.
Whereas a non-pro is just that. Might take some sugar, but doesn't acknowledge selling it per se, even though she is.
I consider the sugar baby I had to have been a non-pro. If she was doing others, she wasn't obvious about it so I would have called her UTR.
HollywoodGuy
07-24-13, 18:32
Brothers,
I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?
I await enlightenment,
Scott.
And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.
Peace.A UTR is a pro on the down low.
Brothers,
I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?
I await enlightenment,
Scott.
And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.
Peace.They are very close indeed. I'd venture the following:
UTR: Is someone who is in it for the money, just doesn't want to advertise. She's the type that will let you refer friends.
Non-Pro: Is someone who needs the money, but wants more of a connection and doesn't want her information shared as she's not doing this as a profession.
Gentlemen,
I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!
To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.
Feel free to disagree,
ScottNot going to disagree. The entire idea of cam-girls, foreign or domestic, seems a little on the silly side to me. No touch interactive porn at escort, or at least street hooker, prices. I don't get it.
GeorgeRichmond
07-24-13, 18:44
Well, as mentioned last week, I am just back from NJ and what a beautiful night with SB. But so far, I have been able to keep my SD name with her. But my SB heard my last name when hotel concierge service called me. And also at dinner reservation. Too bad. With my last name and location, SB can really find my info. This topic has been discussed many times. On this forum, like using prepaid card, requesting hotel under different name. I am almost thinking. Requesting hotel to place it under my pet name. Or something! I want to try that next time. I have not revealed my family status.
I was in a 5-star hotel. And pretty much formal. Got in trouble! But at the end SB is telling me everything about her life. Don't want to open my personal life! Now I am thinking. Is this going to work! Can a good SB. Will like a truth? Can they digest? When I entered in SD / Sb first time. 1 SB. Rejected me after she found out the truth. I don't know this will last longer. Unless I learn to create a complete false identity- credit card / pre-paid with SD name, book hotel under different name, etc. I want to go for 2-3 day long trip. And hoping. To have a plan.
I just can't reveal my real identity as it will call for disaster! 1) I know this SB will leave 2) personal life will get destroyed. Need to go back and look at some of the pros like HollywoodGuy, Scott, Revvo, BiggT have written. I thought I have read entire forum twice and followed up daily basis. But. Need to come up with plan.
To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.
Feel free to disagree,
ScottI agree. Virtual sex? Bah. Waste of time and energy.
Flying to Prague to see someone I'd only met online? Now we're talking sex tourism. Still not the right thread. But I've done variations of this 5 times. Very cost effective. And every one was a simply outstanding experience.
GeorgeRichmond
07-24-13, 23:34
Well, I am going back to old info on our forum and acting now. I just created a brand new gmail account (google+) , FB page, Linkedln. Working on to make a true person and creating a social media image. I want that to come on Google search when someone look for my name. I want to use my SD name! Prepaid card and need to work on a new cell phone.
Well, I am going back to old info on our forum and acting now. I just created a brand new gmail account (google+) , FB page, Linkedln. Working on to make a true person and creating a social media image. I want that to come on Google search when someone look for my name. I want to use my SD name! Prepaid card and need to work on a new cell phone.King,
I book the hotels through Expedia and it asks for who you want the trip booked through? And I put the baby's name. Then use my credit card to make the prepaid reservation. Then I call Expedia customer service and tell them I need my name put on the reservation to check in and I do this on the day of checkin.
When I check in the hotel has her name but will let me check in. And I sit her down in the lobby to play with her phone while I am checking in so she does not overhear anything. Then another nice touch is that a lot of the higher end hotels have installed IP phones with the large display in the room and when you go into the room it has your full name. The name displayed has been my SB's name not mine. Since I have done this.
So this way I have been able to access the room and it be in my SB's name. Worked so far with Expedia and a particular hotel I have been using.
You may want to try this. Almost seems foolproof. But not sure how it will work at other hotels.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo
Greg,
I just used my online reservation, 'flubbed name' method again last night at a 4 star Hilton and it once again worked like a charm.
To refresh: If your real last name is 'Johnson' Book the room as "Janson" or what-have-you. You can pay with your real credit card, and probably even have to show I'd, but as long as you have the internet confirmation # handy they will still book you even if the name is wrong. They kept my 'flubbed' name on the registration, not bothering to change it and I checked on the TV account system when I got in the room. It was showing the 'flubbed' name just as I hoped.
Good luck!
Well, I am going back to old info on our forum and acting now. I just created a brand new gmail account (google+) , FB page, Linkedln. Working on to make a true person and creating a social media image. I want that to come on Google search when someone look for my name. I want to use my SD name! Prepaid card and need to work on a new cell phone.
http://www.facebook.com/clientreviews101
I found this mentioned on USASG | Cincinnati | General Discussion. Read starting 07-22-2013 | #3525 by Strolnarnd. This discussion is evolving. The executive summary thus far is women have been posting anonymous reviews since 2008 complete with our personal info and phone number. I know nothing about how Facebook works so I don't understand the reference about it being difficult for a male to crack into the thread. It seems to be more about an escort-john situation without explaining why any woman could not post on anyone using Facebook.
I don't know how deep into Facebook Google goes. I wonder if a Google of our phone number would turn up a review found at clientreviews101.
Chiguy, I love this idea. I am going to try it and report back.
It makes perfect sense.
Revvo.
Greg,
I just used my online reservation, 'flubbed name' method again last night at a 4 star Hilton and it once again worked like a charm.
To refresh: If your real last name is 'Johnson' Book the room as "Janson" or what-have-you. You can pay with your real credit card, and probably even have to show I'd, but as long as you have the internet confirmation # handy they will still book you even if the name is wrong. They kept my 'flubbed' name on the registration, not bothering to change it and I checked on the TV account system when I got in the room. It was showing the 'flubbed' name just as I hoped.
Good luck!
POT#1 / SB #2.
Last night I overtly registered for a 2 star extended stay hotel with POT # 1, who became SB # 2. Things went well with dinner. She is a 28 yr old I called a 8/9? . She is now a 7/8/8/8 Like so many young MILFs she carries a little too much weight, maybe 20#, but she didn't miss a beat when I offered the hotel / Sugar option and we had a rousing 1 1/2 hour session which she seemed to enjoy. She received my sperm donation BB and to her credit did not leap up and immediately race to the bathroom to cleanse herself of those dirty buggers like so many do. I paid cash but had to give I'd. They said there would be no communication unless I listed an email #, so I should be OK. Again she is a little too heavy to make it as a pot ATF, but I will add her to the dwindling rotation.
ATF # 3 / POT EX ATF #3.
Last meeting was nice but she freaked about a newly developed interest in using condoms. I said " no dice" so I think she is calling it quits again. You can't go backwards and she already doesn't kiss so the nbenefits are being outweighed by the negatives. Too bad because she is such a 10/10. I'll miss her unless she has a change of heart, but I'm getting over the angst.
SB # 1
Is up tonight. She takes it BB and is a looker, thin like I like them.
AllSeasonLv
07-25-13, 16:35
Just a heads up to the Richmond community, girl #1672763 on SA has a pic posted that's NOT her. It was pulled from some ****** site. She sent me some real ones of her and they aren't even close. Too bad. Girl shown in the profile is a real knockout! (Thanks Google Image)
ASL
For anyone going bareback, Plan B is now over the counter.
http://www.planbonestep.com/about-plan-b-one-step.aspx
For anyone going bareback, Plan B is now over the counter.
http://www.planbonestep.com/about-plan-b-one-step.aspxCall me Captain Oblivious, but I thought it had been for some time now. Not needing that sort of thing, I hope I'll be forgiven. (:
/z
For anyone going bareback, Plan B is now over the counter.
http://www.planbonestep.com/about-plan-b-one-step.aspxYeah I fucked up this week. Had a sleepover with one of my favorite SB's went bareback for the firsttime. Did not bother to check if she was on birth control. And sure enough she was not. She never even attempted to stop me. This chick really likes me. She is always trying to do things to please me. Will do anything I want. Made me wonder if she was trying to trap me. Very attractive. Thin and very flexible. Physically and emotionally. Then we are talking about it afterward and she tells me that she had an accident before with her ex husband and would not have an abortion. That is where she got her son from.
At this point I am freaking out. But I don't let her see that. We finish the night and the next day I hold her hand, look her in the eyes, and calmly talked to her about plan B. I explain that is not an abortion pill, it is a form of contraceptive just like birth control pills. In fact many women take two birth control pills the morning after because it acts like PlanB. And that it is over the counter you just go to the pharmacist to get it. She agreed.
I went in and got the pill, she waited in the car, and I bought a bottle of water. Watched her take it. She is very cool. Not into playing games. Now she tells me that in order to avoid this happening again, I can just go bareback, and when I am ready to cum. I can just pull out and cum in her mouth! I shit you not! This one is a keeper.
Amazing you brought this up. It happened on Tuesday. Maybe you guys can learn from another one of my fuckups.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo
Today must have been the day that all the crazy girls on SA sent out winks. I got several, and they all were out of their minds. The first lives 2200 miles from me and thought I might be interested in flying her out for a visit. Of course with a substantial amount of Sugar, and oh yeah, no sex. The next was a local, slightly chubby, mixed girl who said she was looking for an ongoing NSA SD. She wanted to get together today. She let me know that for $$$$ she would be willing to provide oral. For 1000, she could be able to see herself actually having sex. The last one was an attractive blond, whose profile said 5-10k per month and no sex right off the bat. I responded just to see what she would say, and she was happy to have drinks tonight for a modest honorarium of $.5. Who is giving these girls these ideas?
Now she tells me that in order to avoid this happening again, I can just go bareback, and when I am ready to cum. I can just pull out and cum in her mouth! I shit you not! This one is a keeper.If she actually thinks that's effective birth control, her education leaves a lot to be desired. If not, then she could still be trying to trap you. If you believe that's effective birth control, then your education is lacking. Either that or you're letting the little head do your thinking.
The so-call "pre-cum" fluid contains sperm. It's certainly less likely that the lower volume in that fluid will impregnate her, but it's far from impossible.
HollywoodGuy
07-26-13, 10:42
Today must have been the day that all the crazy girls on SA sent out winks. I got several, and they all were out of their minds. The first lives 2200 miles from me and thought I might be interested in flying her out for a visit. Of course with a substantial amount of Sugar, and oh yeah, no sex. The next was a local, slightly chubby, mixed girl who said she was looking for an ongoing NSA SD. She wanted to get together today. She let me know that for $$$$ she would be willing to provide oral. For 1000, she could be able to see herself actually having sex. The last one was an attractive blond, whose profile said 5-10k per month and no sex right off the bat. I responded just to see what she would say, and she was happy to have drinks tonight for a modest honorarium of $.5. Who is giving these girls these ideas?If you look at my ratings list these girls are all 1's (out of a possible 10). Fantasizing and wasting your time.
If she actually thinks that's effective birth control, her education leaves a lot to be desired. If not, then she could still be trying to trap you. If you believe that's effective birth control, then your education is lacking. Either that or you're letting the little head do your thinking.
The so-call "pre-cum" fluid contains sperm. It's certainly less likely that the lower volume in that fluid will impregnate her, but it's far from impossible.You are absolutely correct with the risk of precum and the pullout method.
However, in my older years I have an absolute 5 seconds from the first ejaculatory spasm (the point of no return) until the appearance of ANY fluid at the urethral opening. I know you younger guys have 1 sec at best. Masturbation studies demonstrate your refractory period and it's important to know that. It's not foolproof but it's better than nothing.
Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support.
If you look at my ratings list these girls are all 1's (out of a possible 10). Fantasizing and wasting your time.I agree. I usually respond to a wink with one email, because you never know, but quickly pulled the plug on these three. I have actually hooked up with one person who winked at me, for a reasonable amount of sugar, but in general it seems that if they are sending out winks to every guy on the site, they are not good prospects.
"Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support." Nando.
Something I think is so bizarre is the SB's frequent lack of foresight in using Birth Control of any kind. This has happened a lot in my Quest. Why would a girl who is trolling for a SD who 99. 99% of the time is going to require sex not protect herself? (That excludes the obvious who is attempting to entrap a SD ). But none of the girls I've seen were desirous of a baby. To with They reacted very negatively when late or irregular.
GeorgeRichmond
07-26-13, 13:52
Yeah I fucked up this week. Had a sleepover with one of my favorite SB's went bareback for the firsttime. Did not bother to check if she was on birth control. And sure enough she was not. She never even attempted to stop me. This chick really likes me. She is always trying to do things to please me. Will do anything I want. Made me wonder if she was trying to trap me. Very attractive. Thin and very flexible. Physically and emotionally. Then we are talking about it afterward and she tells me that she had an accident before with her ex husband and would not have an abortion. That is where she got her son from.
Amazing you brought this up. It happened on Tuesday. Maybe you guys can learn from another one of my fuckups.
Lets be careful out there.
RevvoI agree. I was in NJ on business trip and met my SB for 2nd time. She wanted bareback and kept saying don't stop it is ok. I didn't ask why it is but. I decided to do it outside! She is great looking, average but beautiful looking. She could get 9 or 10 if she works on her body. Got hourglass figure and beautiful face, very lively. So I am sold. My problem is, I am getting emotionally attached. And now I know about her a lot. But real problem is she is asking my last name and real info about myself. Well, that is where I am having issues. Can a good SB accept us as SD (with no personal life info?) as-is? I doubt if all can do it specially the ones SBs who are new in this world.
Well be careful. As it is better careful and take precaution than sorry. I would say. Avoid it if you can. I need to learn based on this topic and feedback.
May I suggest surgically altering ones genitalia in order to prevent conception.
Certainly there is a week or so of discomfort involved (coinciding with a few weeks of separation from one's sugar-babies) , however the end result is a lifetime of piece of mind!
(Making a mental note to myself to research masturbatory refractory periods, sounds like a hoot!)
-Chi.
You are absolutely correct with the risk of precum and the pullout method.
However, in my older years I have an absolute 5 seconds from the first ejaculatory spasm (the point of no return) until the appearance of ANY fluid at the urethral opening. I know you younger guys have 1 sec at best. Masturbation studies demonstrate your refractory period and it's important to know that. It's not foolproof but it's better than nothing.
Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support.
John G Smith
07-26-13, 15:10
If she actually thinks that's effective birth control, her education leaves a lot to be desired. If not, then she could still be trying to trap you. If you believe that's effective birth control, then your education is lacking. Either that or you're letting the little head do your thinking.
The so-call "pre-cum" fluid contains sperm. It's certainly less likely that the lower volume in that fluid will impregnate her, but it's far from impossible.Actually pulling out when done properly is only about 2% less effective than using a condom to prevent pregnancy. A condom is about 98% effective (when it doesn't break and spew all your sperm inside her) and pulling out is 96% effective. If you don't believe, read the Planned Parenthood site: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method-4218.htm
Yes with pulling out you need good control, but most of us are older and experienced and aren't spontaneously combusting teenagers.
It's just of course pulling out does nothing to protect from STDs, so that's where your real risk is. But as long as you pee betweens rounds, pulling out is very effective for pregnancy prevention and you don't have to worry about condoms getting loose or breaking.
John G Smith
07-26-13, 15:21
Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support.This is such great advice. Practitioners of the bare-arts should take note.
With my girlfriend SB, we had a little scare a few months ago. I did everything right on my end (pulled out, peed between rrounds, etc). But she was slightly late with her monthlies which freaked her out (and me too to be honest). During this time I found out any accidents she has, she will keep. I respect a woman's right to choose whatever, but obviously I can't have a little JGS floating out there for 18+ years. If there are any accidents, any SB with me needs to be willing to "end" the accident. Anyway, she wasn't pregnant but it was a pretty stressful situation for both particularly because she was going to keep the result of any accident. It made me realize that I need to find out the girl's philosophy on unwanted pregnancies BEFORE I engage in bare activities. If we share similar attitudes, then I just have to reduce my sugar activities for a month while I pay to end the unwanted pregnancy. If our attitudes are different, then I'm basically prebooking a spot on Maury Povich in a few years.
Question for Revvo. When you had to get the Plan B afterward, did you pull out or finish inside her the night before?
Bareback?? Just asking, but really? So many issues!!
Staggered,
Scott
John G Smith
07-26-13, 17:33
Bareback? Just asking, but really? So many issues!
Staggered,
ScottFirst off, I am insane.
Secondly, for me the reduced sensation with condoms makes it difficult for me to perform at my best. With condoms, I often have ED issues. I don't know if I'm allergic to latex or what, but for me there is a night and day difference between sex with condoms and sex without. For me, if I'm spending all this time and money on a SB on allowances, gifts, hotels and etc, it's a buzz kill when the actual sex is mediocre / sub-standard because I'm having issues with the condom. I still use condoms but I'm willing to take the risk going bare if the situation and the girl meet certain standards. I really do envy those of you who can have amazing sex with condoms. It would make this lifestyle a lot easier me if I could.
There is nothing like the sensation of a wet pussy wrapped around your penis. Girls will do anything for money, guys for sex. (some that is)
There are calculated risks in everything worth doing.
Like JG, I pretty much can't get off with a wrapper on after the 1st meet with a SB.
HollywoodGuy
07-26-13, 18:08
May I suggest surgically altering ones genitalia in order to prevent conception.
Certainly there is a week or so of discomfort involved (coinciding with a few weeks of separation from one's sugar-babies) , however the end result is a lifetime of piece of mind!
(Making a mental note to myself to research masturbatory refractory periods, sounds like a hoot!)
-Chi.Vasectomy. Best move I ever made
Vasectomy. Best move I ever madeAlmost likewise. Topped only by asking my wife to marry me, and *not* going home early from strip clubbing that one night. The peace of mind it allows can not be undervalued.
/z
My general rule of thumb is if I am with a woman who is (or who used to be) accepting cash / gifts / etc in exchange for sex in any shape or form, no matter how 'ATF-like' she is, I keep it covered. Period. The surgically altered genitalia is my plan-B!
She's also most likely putting out for other guys who are also paying her & you never know what else THOSE guys may be doing on the side. (just read any other forum on this site besides this thread *shudder*).
I'm not saying anything can compare to BB, but there are many advances in condoms in the past few years that are a lot better than they used to be. Try out brands advertised as 'lambskin' or Lifestyles 'SKYN' brand, Trojan 'Bareskin', etc. They are not perfect, but much better than they used to be. Also try putting some lube on first before the condom, that makes it much more pleasurable as well.
Besides condoms + a little vitamin V make me perform like an absolute rockstar, and have turned more than one sugar-baby into a non-sugar fuckbuddy just because I can go so long & make them have multiple O's before I'm done.
HollywoodGuy
07-26-13, 23:52
Almost likewise. Topped only by asking my wife to marry me, and *not* going home early from strip clubbing that one night. The peace of mind it allows can not be undervalued.
/zIn L. A. 80% of girls are having babies without worrying about the dad being there. Especially the young ones. Should have done it years ago, I was worried it would affect my performance. Totally not true. And the pain was manageable. One week bad. Three weeks minor. By week five, nothing.
HollywoodGuy
07-27-13, 12:45
First off, I am insane.
Secondly, for me the reduced sensation with condoms makes it difficult for me to perform at my best. With condoms, I often have ED issues. I don't know if I'm allergic to latex or what, but for me there is a night and day difference between sex with condoms and sex without. For me, if I'm spending all this time and money on a SB on allowances, gifts, hotels and etc, it's a buzz kill when the actual sex is mediocre / sub-standard because I'm having issues with the condom. I still use condoms but I'm willing to take the risk going bare if the situation and the girl meet certain standards. I really do envy those of you who can have amazing sex with condoms. It would make this lifestyle a lot easier me if I could.Before I can actually have intercourse with a new baby, we have to have the "talk". I only go BB. If a baby flat out refuses I have to respect that, but then I never see her again. So a number of m&g's end on the first date with oral or a HJ. I provide my current std report and vasectomy proof via email prior to every m&g. As many girls are equally concerned about birth control.
In this day and age, bb just seems like a game of Russian Roulette, but with your dick. Same potentially lethal outcome, though.
Just not getting it,
Scott
In this day and age, bb just seems like a game of Russian Roulette, but with your dick.
I agree. But life is all about choosing a course with varying degrees of risk. And this is exactly why I've chosen the sb / sd route. Certainly a lesser amount of risk here than with an AMP / Stripper / Escort.
Spartak,
I certainly understand the issue of risk, and agree that there are levels which we all decide for ourselves we can manage. But this just seems like hubris to me, plain and simple.
Have we so soon forgotten the sad story of our brother Joesparty? In my day, stds were called the gift that keeps on giving, and that seems just as relevant today.
I suppose I will agree to disagree with all you cowboys out there who ride without a saddle, but any buckaroos in the Chicago area, please pm me the profile numbers of your babies so I can steer clear.
Scott
Here is one that took me. Won't give out the details because she may be lurking out there. But suffice it to say she is clever and you have been warned.
Profile says NC but she works Florida and appears to be moving around.
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=profile&pmid=3505948
Revvo
John G Smith
07-28-13, 02:37
Spartak,
I suppose I will agree to disagree with all you cowboys out there who ride without a saddle, but any buckaroos in the Chicago area, please pm me the profile numbers of your babies so I can steer clear.I understand your perspective, but I'm not sure what exactly that would accomplish. You think if we bareback a SB in the Chicago area, you're in more danger? Regardless what we do with her, she could very well be barebacking her boyfriend / husband / lover / co-worker. Whether we saddle up or not with a SB, really shouldn't give you any more or less comfort. If you want any real peace of mind just always wear a cover (which you do) and have her tested regularly. Claiming some of us are putting you in danger is naive and misplaced blame. The real risk is from the girl herself. You have to understand her protection habits, her lifestyle, and have her tested. Just because no one has sent you a profile number of a particular SB in Chicago does not make her any less likely to have a STD or not practice BB in her personal life.
Just so no one forgets.
Gentlemen,
I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.
I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).
I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.
I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.
I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.
Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.
HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org Yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.
I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).
HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.
There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)
I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.
All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.
Regards,
Joe
HIV and Hepatitis C.
Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.
ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)
Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.
HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable
HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,
Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day
Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day
Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.
Trichomonas = antibiotics for a day
So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)Nandoman,
To each his own, but if I were a non-married player in this game my attitudes would probably be a lot different.
As it stands, the thought of bringing home 'the gift that keeps on giving' to my SO, especially considering she is an UNWILLING PARTICIPANT in my activites is a moral-line I just cannot cross.
I honestly do not think there is any excuse I can come up with as to why Mr Happy is covered in infectious sores that she'd buy. And even if she did believe whatever I told her, no excuse would make good the fact that she may have been exposed as well (assuming of course one does actually get sex at home. Miracles are known to happen!).
HIV and Hepatitis C.
Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.
ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)
Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.
HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable
HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,
Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day
Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day.
Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.
Trichomonas = antibiotics for a dayBrothers,
I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!
Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!
In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!
Peace,
Scott
Brothers,
I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!
Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!
In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!
Peace,
ScottGuys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.
Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.
If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.
Also- Plan B is essentially a 'Hail Mary'. Plan B's efficacy is 87. Compare that to withdrawal used effectively at 96% and condoms at 98% and you'll see what I mean. Over the years, I've only had to girl friends (before I was married) have to use Plan B. The first was an incredibly hot Korean MILF in LA who wouldn't agree to a condom. She didn't tell me until after I came that she wasn't on BC. The lesson I learned that night was that you always have the "talk" before going bare.
The talk involves two very important subjects. One. Are you on BC. Two. If you become pregnant will you have an abortion. The answers help me do risk management even though I use condoms.
Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.
Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good!
HollywoodGuy
07-29-13, 01:02
How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good!My live in Pinay does OK by me. LMFAO. But seriously. I have managed a few SB's accounts. Great insight. If those guys knew they were messaging me I don't think they would have been too happy. Hope it was none of you. Not likely as I live in L. A.
UPDATE
This month I stuck to my 3 SB's like glue.
MILF. All we do is fuck. So not much to talk about. Been together almost 2 years.
Live In. Pinay Mistress. I,m her personal slave. But we have a lot of fun. 9 months so far but she was talking about moving possibly : (
Teen Stripper. Almost 5 months so far. Today a wannabe pot SD spent $$$$$ on her and got the pleasure of her platonic company. Better him than me.
To comment on the STD discussion. I will admit to being reckless in the past, but it's been a relief knowing I don"t have to be tested right now. I only have safe sex with my live in and the other two are exclusive to me for now.
John G Smith
07-29-13, 02:53
Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.
Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.
If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.Exactly. If you're extremely worried about your SO catching something, you shouldn't play the game. You can catch certain STDs by receiving and giving oral and as well as with deep french kissing. Just about everyone here engages in heavy kissing with their SB, so you're technically putting yourself at risk to certain types of STDs, which can be passed to your SO. Simply saddling up for intercourse doesn't absolve you from these risks and morally you're still in the same boat as the rest of us because the risk is there even if it's reduced.
This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.
For me, I don't think this lifestyle is for everyone. If you're happily married and you're still planning to have kids, you should probably enter the Sugar Bowl draft at a later time. What happened to Joe was very unfortunate and I feel for him. What made his situation especially difficult was that he and his SO were still planning to have kids. So contracting an STD in that situation is very very serious since there's many implications.
Likewise if you have a happy marriage and you don't want to put it at risk whatsoever, you have to understand every single day in the Sugar Bowl you're rolling the dice on your marriage regardless if you catch a STD or not. For example, Alias left a condom lying around, I left a hotel card in my pants, and F Scott left his Sugar phone in plain sight of his SO. All of this in just the last couple of weeks. These things had no nothing to do with practicing safe sex and yet things still came very close for things to come crashing down for us. The fact is, the longer you play this game, the greater the risk, the greater likelihood your marriage will end or change forever. I'd argue it's not a matter of "If", it's "When".
In my situation at least, I already have kids and there are zero plans for future kids. So if worst case she gets a STD, she'll just take the same antibiotics as me but it won't affect her having kids. Also, our marriage is not in great shape so if we divorce, it's not the end of the world for me. Yes, I'd like to avoid one right now due to financial implications and the kids, but I'm probably subconscious trying to get a divorce because I'm keenly aware that a healthy marriage is completely incompatible and unsustainable with the Sugar Lifestyle over the long-term. Especially with how aggressive many guys here play the sugar game with 4-7 SBs and Booty Calls at a given time, you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be happily married 10 years from now. If some of us still manage to post on this board 10 years from now, I guarantee only 10-20% of us will still be married and of that remaining percent, those marriages will have been drastically altered (getting caught, reconciling, no more trust, and etc).
I've always assumed that if you're in this lifestyle, a part of you willing to let your marriage end or go to shit. If you just maintain one SB and you keep your time and money with her fairly modest, then maybe you can still maintain a happy marriage. But anyone who plays this game aggressively or develops emotional involvement should not fool themselves. Your marriage can and will end as you know it at any moment regardless if you put a condom on or not. This whole lifestyle is an act of risky insane and reckless behavior. Calculating our risks simply delays with various degrees of success the inevitable conclusion.
HollywoodGuy
07-29-13, 11:01
This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.I am scared straight for today. When you"re an addict, it's one day at a time. Today I have a date with my live in. Then I will just work till bedtime. This really is not a joke and I know I am in denial most of the time.
One of my X's got HSV 1 about a year ago. She has a BF, a SD and a sugar couple. They all know she has this and continue to see her. I know she is addicted to kissing and giving oral. I will not see her for any reason. But all this talk is making me uneasy.
Just got txted by a HYM. I know there will be at least kissing and maybe more on the m&g tomorrow.
I'll take 98% effective over zero any day! As has been pointed out, it's not just what you do, but what, and who, your baby's been doing in her spare time that comes into play.
Of course there's no such thing as 100% certainty in life, but I like my odds better than BB by a mile! Plus, I truly wonder if those "faithful" babies really are. I can think of four brothers right off the bat who discovered their SBs were "monogamous" with several other guys as well, and one was going bare with all of them!
To each his own, however. I'll continue to play with a helmet on. Like ChiGuy, I find the slight loss of sensation helps me to last like a porn star. Well, that and a little help from my blue friend!
Peace,
Scott
Igor Mongorsky
07-29-13, 18:26
I did get to meetup with my old "ATF". We partied at my house because I was unable to get the hotel on short notice. We spent the next day and night together. Surreal. It was like it was yesterday even though the last time I saw her was almost three years ago. I suspect sugar was not required (although much appreciated LOL) , but I did give her a $300 gift.
We did participate in BB activities as we have in the past. I don't want to get into a debate about what is "safe" and what isn't (I believe there is a forum specifically for that?). You just have to make a personal decision if the reward is worth the risk to you. In my case, the risk is minimal and the payoff immense. It's different for everybody and a lot is a perception. I see many guys find cheating on their SO acceptable. OK, to me that is crazy. When I was married, I would never ever think about cheating on my wife; the consequences are too great, the chances of getting caught high. She would have cleaned me out good and made the rest of my life miserable. Fortunately, I'm divorced now and escaped with my balls intact.
John G Smith
07-30-13, 05:39
I've already had quite a bit of turn-over from my update in early July. A couple of the SBs I thought showed promise ended up being busts. I also made a push to capture my unicorn this month (a pure Asian SB). I contacted quite a few Asian SBs and I ended up getting some good prospects from it. I also cleverly lured back one of my long-time SBs. But let's first review the pots / SBs from last month.
Busts
Asian MILF. She didn't look quite as good in person. We did a M&G and I could tell we just didn't have the right vibe. After the M&G apparently she deleted my number because when I contacted her a couple of days later she didn't even know who I was even though we had texted frequently a few days prior. She simply told me she was no longer interested and never gave me a reason. I would have liked to have gotten a reason, but I was fine with things not proceeding because we just didn't click well and she was asking for the high end of my budget.
Brown & Busty. A 20 year-old, mixed, very busty. As mentioned in the last update, her pics were old so while she was still very busty, she also put on some extra weight. I had to make a tough decision to have her in my "B Slot" or cut her loose. I decided to cut her loose. Nice girl, but a little too heavy and lived a little too far away.
Idle
Latina Artist. 22 year old petite Latina artist. She's completely new to the Sugar Bowl, so she gets cold feet whenever there is a cool breeze on a hot summer's day. She still keeps telling me she wants to meet but something always keeps coming up where she cancels or changes the schedule. I have other things going on so I can afford to be patient with her, but I honestly don't know if I'll actually see her ever.
Punk SB. 18 year old, Latina / Asian mix. I meet up with her again for a quick car fix. It was decent and it barely cost me anything. She's been pressing to meet more often, but I don't know. I'm just not really into her anymore. Her performance is very limited. We basically just do a couple of positions and she doesn't do any oral. So perhaps I'm bored with her. Not sure yet what I'm going to do with her.
Pots
Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.
Korean SB. 21 year-old Korean American girl. She's a more long-term project. She's also attracted to me, but she lives farther away and has a lot of things going on in her life, so we probably won't be able to meet for a while. But I'm keeping in touch with her because she's very petite and cute.
Returners
Backseat SB. 20 year-old petite Latina. I've been seeing this girl off and on for over a year. She's probably the person I've been in contact the longest in my sugar career. But a few months ago, she decided to end things. I even sent a few feelers every now and then, but she stated repeatedly she was done for good. Normally I respect their wishes when they don't want play anymore, but I just keep fantasizing about her perfect tits and couldn't help myself. So recently I gave her a graduation present with no strings attached. I admit I was being a bit naughty and greedy by trying to lure her in back to the Sugar Bowl. I gave her the graduation present in person but I didn't make any offers. The present itself was nice and also contained some cash. Just enough to show a nice gesture but also to entice that if she wanted more, she knew how to get it. Literally two days after I gave her the graduation present, she asked to meet that night. We met and did our thing and her tits were just as amazing as I remembered. She then contacted me again just yesterday. So I've successfully pulled her back in. A part of me feels a little guilty, but I didn't push her to start things back up. I just provided a little bit of temptation.
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curious
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curiousShe'd have to be WAY above average for me to pay that much per month! .
Pots
Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.Japanese women are very familiar with the sugar bowl. The term in Japanese is enjo kosai. Or compensated dating.
I won't be surprised if she becomes your ATF. The Japanese women I've been fortunate enough to date in my life have been, for the most part, the best lovers I've had. Good hunting!
I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?
HollywoodGuy
07-30-13, 10:56
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. SA says the SB on that site received that amountThis is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.
HollywoodGuy
07-30-13, 11:58
I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?Asian dating sites? Most cultures tend to stick to members of the opposite sex from their culture. The ones that don't almost never date within their own culture. So if an asian / AA / hispanic girl is flirting with you, you probably aren't the first. i would say sugar dating is almost the norm and totally acceptable in most cultures except the USA.
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Just curiousAmateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!
HollywoodGuy
07-30-13, 21:16
Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!Thanks for the props. I also have met a few girls that are not shy at all about the $. But they certainly do enjoy a night of conversation, dinner or hanging out. Sugar comes in all flavors.
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curiousA couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.
So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.
By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"
I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?Being Asian myself I can tell you that it depends on if she is "Americanized" or not. If she was born here or moved here at a young age and grew up here then white men definitely have the best shot, even better than an Asian guy LOL. Of course it all depends on the girl too. Luckily for me I don't like Asian women. :-D
A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.
So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.
By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"I created a fake baby profile when I was first starting out in the Bowl, just to see how things went and maybe pick up a few pointers on how to word my profile, initial message, follow-up, etc. Like you, I was pleased to see how lame most of the texts were, and how a majority of the guys on the site were apparently millionaire Abecrombie models who made 250K a year LOL!
As we all know, one can say anything on the internet, but the proof is in the follow-thru. I have heard stories about guys promising thousands per month, but scamming a "test drive" for a couple Bennies, the "per meet average" of 2K x 8 meets / month, and then vanishing. Soon enough these girls learn the reality of things, and I often have been contacted a week or two after an initial m&g by a baby who was lured away by false promises, only to realize that I was the real deal all along. Fortunately, all it takes is one time being scammed for them to develop a sensitive BS meter.
The key to success, I believe, is to be your honest self, (secret identity nothwithstanding) , polish your text, contact and follow-up, stick to what you can afford, and let the right babies find you. They always do, trust me.
Scott
PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.
Member #5570
07-31-13, 14:16
Scott.
Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?
Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.
Scott.
Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?
Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.Smoke,
Thanks for the compliment!
That's right, average monthly total for all babies. Some months more, some less, but that is the average. I don't see each baby every week, though, but I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's a business transaction.
I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.
I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table lol! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.
For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.
Scott
This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.
That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
Scott
Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
ScottIf you chat with someone who has GPS, say something like "if you find someone who will provide you with (whatever amount) per month, then you take it" and be willing to move on without her. More times than not she'll circle back to you.
Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?
HollywoodGuy
07-31-13, 16:59
Forgetting the obviously outlandish offers even an 18 year old won't believe. But keeping in mind they might consider a legit offer of $$$ - $$$$$ from a real SD. Lately I have been telling the new girls "I realize you are reading all the big money offers. Just remember. You get what they pay for."
I remember an escort I used to see that wasn't worth the $ a date I was paying her. But she routinely got $$$ a date from guys that made her cringe or worse. I do believe this thread is about developing game. I hope I am contributing to that in some way as mine has definitely gone up in the short time I have been here.
HollywoodGuy
07-31-13, 17:22
PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.
So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $ / e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"
I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.
So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $/e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"Hollywood,
You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!
Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$ /e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!
Slow day at work, obviously,
Scott
PS - Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, lol!
Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?I recently spent a few days fishing on CL because I had heard there were still nuggets to be found there and came away with absolutely nothing but spam.
Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?I have a friend here in Chicago who has astounding luck on CL, but I haven't managed to attract anything other than Eastern European (fake) hotties asking for my cc# so they can buy a plane ticket to come to the US and fuck me forever, other fakers from who-knows-where trying to trick me into verification sites where I pay to "prove I'm real", and the occasional guy who just wants to blow me but is pretending to be a girl. It may be my approach, or my text, or who knows what, but I don't waste my time with it anymore. I just let my buddy pass me along to his finds who he's done with.
In my experience, and granted it's limited, the true amateurs get scooped up within moments of posting by experts like my friend. For me, CL takes way more time, effort and game to land a non-pro fish than the Sugar sites, and while it may be cheaper, you have to almost make it your full-time job, just to save a Benjamin. And believe me, the CL girls are not any less flaky or less prone to bolt on you. Hot, non-pro pussy is skittish the world around.
Just my experience,
Scott
Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
ScottScott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!
I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?
Scott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!
I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?Secret, my brother,
We are a national clubhouse, but we just happen to be based in Richmond thanks to our Pater Familias, Literal2, who started this thread. In truth, Sugar Wisdom has no boundaries. Lurkers, if you have anything to contribute, post up! We welcome all contributions, as long as they are civil and contributory. Aggression has no place here, in my opinion.
Scott
I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's
I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.Scottie's game is the way we all need to be playing this. I know I've strived to approach the game the way he teaches us and I have had success beyond my wildest dreams with using very very modest funds.
So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me. I go for very well established women with professional jobs or babies in grad school who have their shit together exclusively.
In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.
I *try* to play the game but let's be honest. Scottie takes this to such a higher league, we just have to sit back and watch in awe!
In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.Chi,
A well-crafted distillation of the right way to go about things, my friend - at least in my opinion. That is if you are fishing for High Quality babies.
Scott
PS - Or in fact, even if you are not. We are all people worthy of respect, are we not? The homeless person at the stoplight is still a human being, after all. It is often just luck and circumstance that she is not sitting in my Volvo, and I am not shaking her cup.
HollywoodGuy
07-31-13, 22:02
Hollywood,
You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!
Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$/e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!
Slow day at work, obviously,
Scott.
PS. Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, LOL!$ = financial.
E = emotional.
P = physical
HollywoodGuy
07-31-13, 22:05
So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.This is it. Just add in some loyalty to the girls and a little humorous perversion and its an equation that works.
ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.
If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.
I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.
By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.
HollywoodGuy
07-31-13, 23:22
After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.
If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.
I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.
By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.I would only add that at least for me if the chemstry isn't instant there usually isn't a second date. All 3 girls I see now had sex with me on the first date. And looking back except for a rare one or two it's always been like that. Including both my x wives.
I have a very specific type of girl I am attracted to, and I am a specific type as well. I try to predetermine thier attraction to my type upfront to avoid wasted time. It seems when I try to convince them it leads to nowhere. But I do lay quite a few cards on the table beforehand. And try to get as much relevant (what I consider to be relevant) info from them as well.
I am open to different arrangements, as we all are. So the interview stage can vary. Depending on that, it could go serious or not. But I never seem to stick to the casual arrangements. They either progress or die. I do currently have 2 girls in the convincing mode. And so far no real luck. A few sexy dates. No real commitment from them.
John G Smith
08-01-13, 03:35
As mentioned in the last report, I was scheduled to have a date / FC visit with a 24 (?) year-old Japanese SB. I was looking forward to it because it would not only be my first full-blooded Asian SB but my first time specifically with a Japanese woman in my personal life or mongering. I have to say, the experience lived up to much of the hype.
While she is new to the Sugar Bowl, as some of you correctly pointed out,"compensated dating" has been around in Japan for a long time. Some studies have estimated over 30% of high school Japanese girls have been in some form of a "compensated" relationship. Though those relationships didn't always involve sexual relations.
So we met directly at the FC and she walked in through the door, she looked even better than I expected. She's tall (maybe 5'9") , thin and long legs. I'd probably give her a (9/9) , (face / body). We talked briefly but I could tell she was ready to go. She didn't need any warming up. What was amazing is that just simple rhythmic touches would have her writhing in ecstasy. Most women I've been with, you generally have to stimulate the pleasure areas to really get them going, but with this girl it was like almost her whole body was a pleasure zone and she would respond to every touch. I don't even think we kissed that much but I didn't even notice since almost every touch was passionate and sensuous. And when things picked up the pace, she became more aggressive and it took every ounce of my energy to keep pace with this sexual creature. At risk of upsetting a few of the brothers here, I'll leave out some of the remaining details. But suffice to say things got very wild toward the end.
We actually just ended up just having one round but then we laid around naked stroking each other for about a hour or so and talking. Then we parted ways since it was a weekday afternoon.
My Euro Baby is my gold standard and I compare everything to that. That experience will be very hard to top. But this experience came awfully close and some ways exceeded it. My Tokyo SB probably has more sexual intensity (ie. She's more of a freak, LOL) than the Euro Baby. But the Euro Baby is probably a tad bit hotter and the conversation flowed a tad bit easier. However with my Tokyo SB we already worked out the financial part of the arrangement, so that's in order and she's happy. BTW, I should mention I didn't give her an allowance at the FC. She agreed to meet first and then I would help with some school expenses afterward (This basically confirmed to me she wasn't a Pro). But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.
We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.
On a side note, I know I'm speaking from somewhat limited experience but it really does seem like the foreign SBs who've only been in America for a few years make for some of the best sugar babies. Obviously it depends on the native country, but Eastern european countries, certain Asian and Latin american countries the women there will treat you like a king because their cultures still value men and women are raised to treat their men well. Young American college women here are still a great piece of ass. But many of them need to be taught to be sexually adventurous / passionate and others have the attitude they're doing you a favor. There's always exceptions, but if you manage to run into a foreign-born SB, definitely jump at the opportunity.
I'm just glad that since I've streamlined my docket, I can now afford my Tokyo SB. Not just by giving her the agreed upon allowance items, but also to afford the small touches like gift cards and etc, which will make the arrangement more organic and less transactional.
JGS,
I'm overjoyed to hear this news. I was actually reviewing your post from earlier last night & was going to ask you how this went.
Sounds like an idillic situation. A taste of something exotic, obviously easy on the pocket book, and an intense experience all around.
I suspect you have 100's of jealous readers giving you mental high-fives at the moment.
Congrats!
Smoke,
I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.
I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table LOL! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.
For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.
ScottThe secret that Scotty (and a few others) share involve real life dating techniques ignore the short term to gain a loyal long term Baby.
Most of us married guys can not engage in dating per se. The possibility of going to movies, concerts, even restaurants is fraught with hazard. So my game is limited to being a nice, sweet, loving guy while I am asking her if she is ready for the FC. I know I scare many new SBs away by my gentlemanly aggressive approach in going to the FC after a M&G, but it is what it is. If I were single it would be fun to sport these youngsters around to nifty activities.
Scotty, you are married so I don't know how you are able to date at home anyway. I can understand road trips hundreds of miles away though.
Before my sugar involvement I will never forget a friend who was divorced (50s) showing up at a Country Club Gala with the hottest young blue eyed blond I've ever seen. Nobody could believe it but now I know that she was a SB (or a high level escort ).
Member #5570
08-01-13, 13:22
I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.
Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.
Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.
GeorgeRichmond
08-01-13, 15:16
I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.
Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.
Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.Looks like we are in the same boat. Married with kids. I m back into the game to find new SB as my local one is not contacting me. She is 30 yr old and one of my long distance one in NJ (which I dated twice) is 24 yr old. But am thinking about 1-2 hour drive is little safer than local. I met my friend he told me he saw me in a restaurant with someone. I told him that was college student that we are working for a project. But need to sort local vs outskirts or long distance. To get 18/19 it might be better to go out of reach but I agree it takes lot more M&G
But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.
We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!
You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!
Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .
Smokarz / Hernardo,
Completely agreed with you. And on the same boat with you two. I tried to get those 18/19 babes, but no luck because I just can't do "regular dating" with them. MILF are better, but still some MILFs are asking for crazy sugar amount in San Diego.
I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.
Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.
Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.
FotoGuy1970
08-01-13, 16:44
The two best SBs I've had yet both came from them responding to CL ads I had placed. I've found CL overall much more rewarding than SA.
John G Smith
08-01-13, 19:58
Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!
You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!
Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .Thanks ChiGuy and BikeRider. I've had some up and downs recently and a legit Long-Term SB has seemed very elusive in recent months. It's still too early to tell, but I might have finally found a perfect fit with my Tokyo SB. We'll see.
As for as squeaking, she definitely made some unique sounds. But it wasn't as exaggerated as you might see in some of the Japanese porn. My Tokyo baby is also a bit of a talker when things heat up and she would alternate between saying things in English and Japanese, which honestly made the experience even hotter.
John G Smith
08-01-13, 20:17
I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.
So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.
Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.
I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.
GeorgeRichmond
08-02-13, 01:14
I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.JGS.
Well said. I think only MILF or pros will go to FC directly. I was lucky to travel twice to NJ and had heck of a time. I was behaving like single and absolutely was not worries anywhere. Obviously NJ is 5-6 hours from RIC. My problem is don't travel that often. But I agree, those who travel for business. You can have lots of fun.
HappyHunter44
08-02-13, 01:34
I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.
So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.
Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.
I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.I second this post. I just started in the SB world and its straight to the FC for me. Other stuff way too risky.
I also would like to thank everyone here that guided me in my adventures. Would not have started without you. Nothing to report just yet, but have a couple SBs I am working on. One MILF and another single. Both 25, or so they say. One sounds like she is still married. Need super undercover for that one.
John,
I have tried about the multi-hour distance SBs (actually, is a freebie) for a year or so. It was fun and rewarding, but it is getting too risky over time. I was spending more and more time away from home (because it was FUN) , and I can "smell" that SO is getting curious about me being so busy. So, I ended the relationship painful but it was a wise call.
Now, I am pretty much up front w / the pot about going to FC (or M&G at a coffee shop). This cuts down my selection significantly. I had two SBs who can host at their place, which is one of the ideal situation as going to hotel is risky as well.
Buz travel is great! I was traveling every 2 months internationally before 2009 (damn financial breakdown.) , and I had freebies / gfs in multiple cities. Great time back then.
I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.
So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.
Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.
I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.
I went to spend the night with SB # 1 as usual and her phone was turned off, so I didn't keep up with my burner. In the AM I couldn't find it so it either fell out or she nabbed it when we went for a snack. I also didn't have the PW feature on so she could access all my black book and numerous texts with many other girls. There was no I'd info leading to me and she was never in the car alone so I know she didn't rifle through my papers. She might have seen / felt it on the floorboard under her feet and been curious. She said cars in her apartment complex were broken into so maybe some itinerant gypsy thief was skimming cash and saleable items.
Speaking of :
SB #1 Is getting a little Nando 1 and asked for her 1st advance. I do "trust her" so I might prepay. If I get scammed it won't be a big loss. She has no meal requirements so the total tab is 250 all night. She is a hot little spinner but is not sexually adventurous. She does willingly receive my BB donation.
SB #2
Is a weekly appointment for a few hours but it does cost me 300 plus dinner. She is a little chubby so I am interviewing a super hottie.
Pot #1
Is a 9/9? Asian. I love Asians so I hope I can nab her. She will be in big demand so I give her a 20 % chance. Again I will be bargaining for a fast trip to the FC.
WG (working girl)
I might replace SB #2 with a WG since it is transactional and there is no pretense to wine and dine . She is really a one or two hour girl anyway so I have to drive 1 1/2 hrs each way ,treat to dinner ,then don't get the all night pop, so it deserves rethinking .
WG#1 is my old time fav ,reliable, BB ,GFE .
WG #2 is a hot blonde referred to me by a friend . I will see if she is available . No travel or dinner saves me prob $100 minimum
Member #5570
08-02-13, 15:15
I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.
I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.
Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?
HollywoodGuy
08-02-13, 18:47
I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.
I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.
Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?I think most agree that sd4me is more nando 1 territory. I like it because it has a lot of young AA spinners that ready willing and able.
FotoGuy1970
08-02-13, 19:22
I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.
I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.
Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?I've tried SD4M for their 3 day free trials on a couple of different occasions and I didn't have any success at all. I actually like SA an awful lot but my success rate has been awfully low there when I fish locally. On the other hand, when I used SA to fish for temporary SBs for a Vegas trip, my cup was overflowing with responses. So I suspect my lack of success locally with SA has more to do with my area than anything else. My best two SBs yet have both come from CL ads that I posted. Though CL has its own problems, I still favor that over either SA or SD4M.
I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.
I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.
Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?I truly believe, as has been said, that SD4Me and SA vary according to geographical location, and of course, what kind of baby you are looking for. In my area, Chicago, I very much prefer SA over SD4Me, both in terms of quantity, but more importantly, quality. A while back I took advantage of the 3-day trial period on SD, (which turned into a 45 day access glitch, yay!) and found at least 75 to 80% of the babies on there were pros. In all fairness, my hot nursing student and my HYM both came from there, both of whom I continue to see, and both of whom are happy with a lower dose of sugar than my SA babies.
Now that I think of it, both of them are insatiable in bed as well. Hmmm, I may need to rethink this LOL! I do find the intellectual level of babies on SA to be higher, and thus the "added intangibles" package is greater. For me, at least, I want a connection that goes beyond the FC, and I find that, on a whole, the babies on SA are better educated, more well-rounded, and less in the Nando 1 territory.
I think the advice I would give to any new brother is to try them both and see which one you prefer, knowing things vary by area.
And, as always, don't forget to write!
Scott
HollywoodGuy
08-04-13, 05:26
How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL
John HandCock
08-04-13, 08:29
How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOLUs newbies at least me don't have a lot to report. I have been a member of SD4M for a month now and I'm just not feeling the love LOL. I have had one M&G and that was from CL, which I thought went well. This was a married lady who has a shitty husband with 2-3 kids that needed help. She had just gotten off work and had 15 minutes to meet before having to be home. We ended up making out in the car, and she was very eager to take it to the next level when she left for home. Upon getting home she sent me a text that she couldn't wait for the next meeting and from there it went south.
I think she had a morality attack because I stressed to her that if she had any hopes for her marriage that she shouldn't do this because no matter how careful she was sooner or later the husband would find out. I would text and it would be hours before she would reply, then she was just too busy to make another meeting so after a week of this I gave up on her. The closest Sb to home to contact me is 1/2 hour drive, a 36 year old with kids that needs help, but there again has decided to try a second job before trying the SB route. I have had a bunch of ladies contact me that are 4-5 hours or further away but not going to get into the traveling mode for this. I cast my net for a 50 mile radius and there is over 100 pages of SB in this range and I have sent out numerous messages but as yet have not received any responses from the ladies close to home. Starting my 2nd month of SD4M and will evaluate what I want to do at the end of the month. This is why most lurkers don't post because we really have nothing to contribute.
How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOLLBs (Lurker Brothers) ,
It is time to come out of the shadows and contribute! Even if it is only about POTS, it would be nice to hear of your experiences. I know you are out there, don't be shy!
Waiting,
Scott
Does anyone use one of the paid reverse phone lookup services when doing background? None of them are free, and I am not sure it's worth paying for. I was wondering if anyone had tried one and could comment on it.
Member #5570
08-04-13, 15:24
I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .
Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.
I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.
Needs help with her $1500 rent.
Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.
266494
I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .
Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.
I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.
Needs help with her $1500 rent.
Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.
266494Smoke,
You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!
Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.
I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even wanted two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade ... well, you get the point.
All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.
In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.
In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon!! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!
Fingers totally crossed,
Scott
HollywoodGuy
08-05-13, 02:17
Smoke,
You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!
Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.
I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even wanted Two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade. Well, you get the point.
All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.
In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.
In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!
Fingers totally crossed,
Scott1500 in any decent part of LA will get you a shitty 2 BR apt or a decent 1 BR or a nice studio. Nice but not awesome. Thats why I try to stick to the burbs.
HollywoodGuy
08-05-13, 03:25
I cast my net for a 50 mile radius and there is over 100 pages of SB in this range and I have sent out numerous messagesSort by "last visit" and hit up every girl that was on within the last 48 hours.
John HandCock
08-05-13, 08:29
Sort by "last visit" and hit up every girl that was on within the last 48 hours.Thanks for the advice, will give that a shot and see what happens.
Member #5570
08-05-13, 11:09
Scott. I am not surprised if her rent is 1500 a month, again do I really care if it is? .
A decent downtown 2BR apartment in my area can easily command at least 1200. She used to have a roommate, but the roommie moved out. Or so she said.
She's asking for help with her rent, not pay it for her. This girl got a job. LOL.
Like you said Scott, I proposed a weekly allowance so we can test things out, which she gladly accepted. I am having her come to the FC to see me this Weds so will see.
Member #5570
08-05-13, 11:13
Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?
I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?
Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.
So, consider this an invitation to post away.
I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .
Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.
I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.
Needs help with her $1500 rent.
Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.
266494I live in a resort town with very little to no decent jobs outside of waiting tables, working in hotels, government or healthcare. The joke here is that it's a great place to live but BYOJ. Bring your own job. A decent 2 bedroom apartment here costs at least $1, 000 a month. Sorry if I seem a little down here, but my last two Pots quoted me prices of $500 and $1, 000 PER VISIT! $175 for 2 visits per week? Maybe I should consider moving!
Member #5570
08-05-13, 11:45
Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?
I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?
Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.
So, consider this an invitation to post away.
Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?
I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?
Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.
So, consider this an invitation to post away.Smoke,
Hollywood, Tigg and a few others have been more than generous with sharing, but I, for one, have never felt comfortable asking my babies if I could take pics, and in fact I can't even conceive of a way to broach the subject without having them immediately jump up, slap me, get dressed, and head out the door. This may be my own hang-up, but there it is.
The one time I did post pics, which were sent to me by a POT, I immediately regretted it, so I'm not going to be a good source for you, sadly. I agree though, I think it's nice to put a face to a name, but I would hope the clubhouse journal would not become overrun with slide shows, since one member's ATF could easily be another's WTF, and I would hate for this beautiful thread to become another pitched battlefield!
Just my opinion,
Scott
John G Smith
08-05-13, 18:18
This subject came up a couple of months ago, so I'll just repost what I said then:
Nice to see pictures here.
And I don't want to discourage people from posting pics, but I'll give you guys my reasons for not posting pics just so you can evaluate both sides of it.
The people who post in this forum I think are mostly honorable men / mongers / SDs. Unfortunately, for every poster in this thread there are 10 lurkers who read this board many of which don't even have an account on the site. They're not bound by the ethics of our little brotherhood here. For example, if some lurker recognizes a girl from a picture I post, he could be a jerk and contact her on the SD site / email / txt and point her to this topic. Now this SB knows my full diary of activities and it's a big breach in my cover because someone can now connect my face to my forum account. Even if she doesn't know my full identity, having her know my forum account is a risk because she could cause havoc if she ever did find out my identity.
Also, the vast majority of us are using the same three sites to find SBs and fish in the same ponds as many of the lurkers. The more pictures you post, just increases the odds that someone will recognize a baby you're seeing.
Again I'm not trying to discourage people from posting pics, but you should just be aware of the risks involved. If you're married or have a high-profile job, you probably should refrain from posting pics. If you're single and own your own business then the risks probably aren't that bad.
HollywoodGuy
08-05-13, 18:22
Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?
I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?
Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.
So, consider this an invitation to post away. Understandable most guys dont post. If i was married I dont think I would either
I'm with Scotty on this one. If I like the girls I don't want to disrespect them, if I don't I don't want them to disrespect me.
Hey? I just realized I'm a SENIOR now WooHoo.
SB #1
Is collapsing into Nando 1 territory. She is a hot number but is getting unreliable and a prepayment has resulted in a cancelled appointment. Now, she has a really good reason and if it is true I feel bad for even thinking it. But, I've been there before. We'll see.
SB #2
Is a very reliable performer. She is bright and cute albeit a little chunky. She is a good BFD (body fluid depository)
Pot #1.
Is an exotic (Asian / AA) looking AA 23 yr old with a drop dead body I'd call her a 9/10? She will call me later so I can see if she is educated or ghetto. I'm going for it in a few days.
Pot #2.
Is a 10/10? Asian who is 22 and tickles my fancy. I am hot on Asians. She is open to a M&G.
Pot #3
Is also Asian and is a 8/8?
She is experienced and says all the right things for an ideal SB.
5 Pots were interviewed the past two days and there is a lot of GPS going around. I don't mind because they all appeal to me and I can't handle the ones on the slate already.
Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?
I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?
Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.
So, consider this an invitation to post away.No for me, too. I told her I wouldn't share them, and that's pretty much that.
In general, I don't think I would anyway, for reasons others have stated. Unless somebody was to give explicit permission, that is.
Member #5570
08-05-13, 22:56
I see some very solid reasons not to post pics.
I'll refrain myself from posting additional pics of the babies.
With most of my babies, I have no problem getting pics and videos of our FC sessions. But those are for my private collection. LOL
GeorgeRichmond
08-06-13, 00:15
I see some very solid reasons not to post pics.
I'll refrain myself from posting additional pics of the babies.
With most of my babies, I have no problem getting pics and videos of our FC sessions. But those are for my private collection. LOLSM bro.
How are you able to get videos and even get pics? I never asked but I thought / felt SB will say no due to privacy. Also, I don't intend to. As you never know. What could get us in trouble. No evidence is better.
But still wondering.
KG
GeorgeRichmond
08-06-13, 11:07
I did renew my SA membership and trying to find POTs. Met 1 at see-ville and little more out of my taste. After meet-and-greet, I was debating to go to next level but decided not to pursue. Reason, there are 2-3 potential pots.
I am supposed to meet someone. 2 hours drive but awaiting to get clearance. (received last message on Sunday). It's been challenging with new SBs (young) to get good reply. Sometimes, I feel cryptic message or never sure if I will ever see them.
Ohh well. Let's see have 1 more POT. Will see where I go.
Lot's in DC area. But just hate that much drive and traffic. Local crowd in Richmond is evaporating.
Member #5570
08-06-13, 12:39
I asked politely after the first or second FC date. Saying something along the line of 'our meeting had been so much fun, may I capture those moments next time me meet'.
So far, I haven't been rejected.
Another candidate for the list of flakes and game players: SA #1651878.
Been working her for a few weeks, everything was going very well and she was very anxious to meet. A time and place was agreed upon and everything was a go till just before the time I arrived. Did not answer the "I'm here" text, did not show and have not heard anything since. So why is this different than many of the other young flakes? She was much to willing and anxious to meet. All week she was anxious. And the place I picked to meet was not crowded at all so she was never there and left. She had no intent on showing.
Red flags? In hindsight, she was very talkative and open but would never send any current pics other than the first emailed, very vanilla photos. One was the same she has in the ad. A good chance it's not even her, although I could find nothing out of the ordinary in my research. She said her phone was terrible but she would try. Even the crappiest phones take pretty good pics. And if I pushed, she ignored it. Oh well.
On the plus side, the #2 POT I had scheduled after her was outstanding! Texted her I was early, we met and it was a great M&G! 23 year old college girl that looked way better than her pics and wants to please daddy for not a lot of sugar. Life is good!
I guess I should thank the Ms. Flake, since I would not have met #2 if she had not agreed on a M&G and played her silly game! Would flowers be appropriate? Ha ha!
Be Safe.
Strict
HappyHunter44
08-06-13, 18:03
Another candidate for the list of flakes and game players: SA #1651878.
Been working her for a few weeks, everything was going very well and she was very anxious to meet. A time and place was agreed upon and everything was a go till just before the time I arrived. Did not answer the "I'm here" text, did not show and have not heard anything since. So why is this different than many of the other young flakes? She was much to willing and anxious to meet. All week she was anxious. And the place I picked to meet was not crowded at all so she was never there and left. She had no intent on showing.
Red flags? In hindsight, she was very talkative and open but would never send any current pics other than the first emailed, very vanilla photos. One was the same she has in the ad. A good chance it's not even her, although I could find nothing out of the ordinary in my research. She said her phone was terrible but she would try. Even the crappiest phones take pretty good pics. And if I pushed, she ignored it. Oh well.
On the plus side, the #2 POT I had scheduled after her was outstanding! Texted her I was early, we met and it was a great M&G! 23 year old college girl that looked way better than her pics and wants to please daddy for not a lot of sugar. Life is good!
I guess I should thank the Ms. Flake, since I would not have met #2 if she had not agreed on a M&G and played her silly game! Would flowers be appropriate? Ha ha!
Be Safe.
StrictI just went through the same thing with two POTs from SD4M. Worked on them for weeks. They seem all excited to meet, even asking me about when and where. Then when the week comes to meet. Zilch. All goes quiet. I think too many play in the waters until they realize "oh no, he wants to really get in my pants" and freak out. Been through this 4 times now and it clearly is not the money, they simply cannot follow through giving up the goods.
Mr Strict just netted a HCB for "not much" sugar. How do you define not much? The standard fee I seem to pay is $$1/2 for an all nighter plus xtras like dinner. I am still perplexed how you guys get these babies in the sack for less?
The central Va SA girls seem to want more, but Strick operates in my zone. I guess I am embarrassed offering less so it really is my problem.
Fickle babies have dissed me twice this week. SB#1 had a good excuse if it's believable, and #2 came down with a "bug" earlier today. I am getting horny about now.
Pot #2 became #1 for tomorrow. She is my first AA and boy is she hot! I hope she works out
Two Asian Pots from Nova have flaked due to GPS They want $2-3000 / month.
Member #5570
08-06-13, 19:48
I just went through the same thing with two POTs from SD4M. Worked on them for weeks. They seem all excited to meet, even asking me about when and where. Then when the week comes to meet. Zilch. All goes quiet. I think too many play in the waters until they realize "oh no, he wants to really get in my pants" and freak out. Been through this 4 times now and it clearly is not the money, they simply cannot follow through giving up the goods.I haven't had a flake yet, where I showed up at the appointed time / place and they didn't.
I am curious, what were the ages of the flakes you guys encountered? However, I did experience a few instances where we were plan on meeting and they went dead silence the days leading up to the date. But then again I was asking them to drive over an hour to come see me, and these were the 18/19 yr olds.
I am working on a really hot looking HCB. 18yr, just graduated HS and moving to my town for college. She's about 2hr away from me at the moment, but when she moves here she'll be about 45min away. I am trying to get her to drive to me so I can sample the goods before she moves here for college which is end of month.
Member #5570
08-06-13, 19:52
Mr Strict just netted a HCB for "not much" sugar. How do you define not much? The standard fee I seem to pay is $$1/2 for an all nighter plus xtras like dinner. I am still perplexed how you guys get these babies in the sack for less?
The central Va SA girls seem to want more, but Strick operates in my zone. I guess I am embarrassed offering less so it really is my problem.What is the definition of "not much" sugar? This is too broad, until we have a standard definition or Strict can clarify.
Is it < $ per meet, $, or $$?
Not much sugar to someone, might mean moderate sugar for me, and perhaps lots of sugar for someone else.
I've always try to keep my babies at $ per meet. Sometimes less than $ per meet, but generally I try not to go there if the baby is decent quality.
HappyHunter44
08-06-13, 19:55
I haven't had a flake yet, where I showed up at the appointed time / place and they didn't.
I am curious, what were the ages of the flakes you guys encountered? However, I did experience a few instances where we were plan on meeting and they went dead silence the days leading up to the date. But then again I was asking them to drive over an hour to come see me, and these were the 18/19 yr olds.
I am working on a really hot looking HCB. 18yr, just graduated HS and moving to my town for college. She's about 2hr away from me at the moment, but when she moves here she'll be about 45min away. I am trying to get her to drive to me so I can sample the goods before she moves here for college which is end of month.Never got to the "no show" part. They flaked right at finalizing plans. Ages 18, 25, 25, 27. One I understand because she is still married, but the others were like ready to go and then nothing. So really more like your dead silence experiences. Guess it is time to rebuild the list of POTs.
GeorgeRichmond
08-06-13, 21:24
Another candidate for the list of flakes and game players: SA #1651878.
Been working her for a few weeks, everything was going very well and she was very anxious to meet. A time and place was agreed upon and everything was a go till just before the time I arrived. Did not answer the "I'm here" text, did not show and have not heard anything since. So why is this different than many of the other young flakes? She was much to willing and anxious to meet. All week she was anxious. And the place I picked to meet was not crowded at all so she was never there and left. She had no intent on showing.
StrictMr. Strict
Thanks for letting me know. I was supposed to meet SA #1651878. I am glad to know as she stopped replying when I asked for place. One down.
I wish I can find the same pot #2 like you found. We are in the same area.
I like to share flakes or fake one profiles. I think this way we can save time and money.
KG
HollywoodGuy
08-06-13, 22:14
I found a girl on sd4me about 2 weeks ago that fit my demographic. A 21 year old AA HCB (5'5" 125) on summer break that lived nearby. I haven't done a m&g in about 2 months due to financial constraints and just seeing my regulars. I sent her my m&g letter and she sent me her phone number. I finally followed up yesterday. She had already dropped off the site and said she couldn't remember who I was when I first txted her.
After refreshing her memory she seemed eager as she took the train for 30 minutes to a nearby station. I took her to lunch and she agreed to a 2 hour session for a $. Right at that moment my daughter txted and said she needed to borrow my car to go to the doctor as hers was in the shop. This prevented me from being able to take her back to the train on time. We went back to the car and made out a little, she said I was cute and asked if she was a good kisser.
We agreed to meet later and I took her back to the train station. Later came and went. No txt. So she went from a definite lets do it, to MIA. That is the closest I have come to doing it and then not doing it. Shows you why following up so fast is so important. These newbie girls are very flighty and can get cold feet very fast. Quick follow up is so critical.
HollywoodGuy
08-06-13, 22:23
Another quick story. Last year I met another 21 year old AA girl, about a 7/8/9/10. We met about 6 times and banged like porn stars every-time. Suddenly she went MIA. I txted her a couple weeks ago and she told me she had some fond memories and then begged off. These things happen.
I'm still around. Life and work have been rather overwhelming. Fortunately I have my ATF back in the saddle, so life is good. I do have MsNurseBooty still in the harem, but seeing her less and less. After the extortionist, I've decided I'm never breaking up with another SB. I'll just be undependable and cheap and they will eventually leave me, LOL.
I do see both sides of the picture discussion. My own selfish reason for showing is to one, put some meat behind my stories and two since you guys are the only one that I share this lifestyle with, I look for the high-fives from my fellow brothers when I get a good score (Hey I can admit I have an ego). This can be hit or miss as not always do people actually comment on the photos.
I'll still say hello every now and then and by all means keep the stories cumming!
BT
John G Smith
08-07-13, 07:05
The last several weeks have been interesting in that I haven't really gone on any of the SD sites that much, yet I have more pots that I can handle right now. I'm trying to keep my stable to just 2-3 SBs, but I've had several SB pots from out of the woodwork contact me in recent weeks.
Collegiate SB. This was my failed experiment from the late winter. I invested a lot and basically got nothing in return. I already mentioned she contacted me recently just "to chat". I played it cool and friendly, but made no effort to start anything up again. A week or two went by and then she contacts me in the middle of the night saying we can finally have sex if I give her x amount. It was short notice and the middle of the night, so it was a no-go. I followed up a couple of days later and offered her a lower amount. She declined for now, but in a 6 month period she went from NEVER willing to have sex to willing to give it up for the right price. Though she said she returned to me because I was a gentleman and not a creeper. A few months ago, I probably would have paid x amount to sleep with her, but since then I've found girls who I have much better chemistry with. So I have a take it or leave it attitude with her now. But with the current trajectory of things I imagine I'll sleep with her by the end of the year. She seems to be having more and more money issues while at the same time she's seems to be getting more willing to put out.
I've had several other pots txt or email me who saved my info from correspondences many months ago. I even did a OKCupid experiment 6 months ago and a little college hottie finally responded out of the blue the other day. I already made the sugar daddy pitch to her and she seems intrigued but wants to talk more for a while before deciding to forward or not. The nice thing about her is that she's fresh and hasn't officially joined the Sugar World. Depending how this goes I might revisit the OKCupid experiment.
Anyway, it's nice having all these residual babies. It's just too bad I don't really have the time or money to explore all of them. Just always remember that even if a potential arrangement breaks down in negotiations due to disagreements on allowance, just remain a gentleman and move on. Don't get huffy and pushy. Chances are she might contact you again after she's encountered numerous fakes, flakes, and creepers.
Member #5055
08-07-13, 07:51
Will improve as college starts!
I did renew my SA membership and trying to find POTs. Met 1 at see-ville and little more out of my taste. After meet-and-greet, I was debating to go to next level but decided not to pursue. Reason, there are 2-3 potential pots.
I am supposed to meet someone. 2 hours drive but awaiting to get clearance. (received last message on Sunday). It's been challenging with new SBs (young) to get good reply. Sometimes, I feel cryptic message or never sure if I will ever see them.
Ohh well. Let's see have 1 more POT. Will see where I go.
Lot's in DC area. But just hate that much drive and traffic. Local crowd in Richmond is evaporating.
Mr. Strict
Thanks for letting me know. I was supposed to meet SA #1651878. I am glad to know as she stopped replying when I asked for place. One down.
I wish I can find the same pot #2 like you found. We are in the same area.
I like to share flakes or fake one profiles. I think this way we can save time and money.
KGI also had many texts / emails with her and got to the details about the M&G. She flaked the day of the M&G and went dark. I see she is back on line. Either she (this type) is a fake baby or is extremely conflicted about doing this. Her pics show "her" to be my type of HCB. Maybe she is a frat bro or even a SD with a fake SB profile trying to get some research
Anyway, it's nice having all these residual babies. It's just too bad I don't really have the time or money to explore all of them. Just always remember that even if a potential arrangement breaks down in negotiations due to disagreements on allowance, just remain a gentleman and move on. Don't get huffy and pushy. Chances are she might contact you again after she's encountered numerous fakes, flakes, and creepers.I have also had several residuals pop up of late. I'm on SA and have a generic pic up as a private photo. When a SB asks for a pic I grant permission for them to view it, or sometimes I just include permission with my initial email (haven't really seen a difference in response rates one way or another). Recently I went in and revoked permission to review the private photo to a bunch of girls that I never heard back from. When you do that the system sends them an email notifying them that the permission was revoked. That email has piqued some interest. Since then I have been contacted by two of the girls that had not previously responded, and one more has reviewed my profile. Trying to set up a M&G with one of those two now. I also just got a response to an email I sent out two months ago. You just never know what drives the girls to contact you when they do.
Member #5570
08-07-13, 13:25
I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .
Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.
I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.
Needs help with her $1500 rent.
Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.
266494So the theme of this board the past couple of days is 'flake'. In the interest of keeping my post on topic, I am happy to report that this Pot turns out to be a flake.
We were supposed to meet today at noon. Yesterday morning we were still texting like crazy. By late afternoon, she stopped responding to texts. This morning, no response whatsoever from my texts and voicemail. She went completely silence about 18 hours before our date.
I will lay low and check back with her in a week to see what happened to her.
HappyHunter44
08-07-13, 14:13
So the theme of this board the past couple of days is 'flake'. In the interest of keeping my post on topic, I am happy to report that this Pot turns out to be a flake.
We were supposed to meet today at noon. Yesterday morning we were still texting like crazy. By late afternoon, she stopped responding to texts. This morning, no response whatsoever from my texts and voicemail. She went completely silence about 18 hours before our date.
I will lay low and check back with her in a week to see what happened to her.Ditto. My POT life in a nutshell. I must thank all the seniors who posted before in getting me ready for such behavior. I made sure I sent confirmation emails, no sugar before FC, and held a serious deep cover. The confirmation email is key because it does save a trip and paying for the FC. A big money-saver!
EasyGoingJ
08-07-13, 14:46
Hello brothers, I'm afraid I fall into the category of lurker, I read here regularly but haven't posted much because I haven't felt I had anything useful to add. I'm in " C'ville " and am happy to exchange or share any info or perspective, long time in the bowl, just not very active now. Anybody in the area please get in touch and hopefully something good will come along to share.
Thanks
HollywoodGuy
08-07-13, 17:10
Ditto. My POT life in a nutshell. I must thank all the seniors who posted before in getting me ready for such behavior. I made sure I sent confirmation emails, no sugar before FC, and held a serious deep cover. The confirmation email is key because it does save a trip and paying for the FC. A big money-saver!I never pay for the motel until we are in agreement in the parking lot outside.
GeorgeRichmond
08-07-13, 22:08
Qn: Should I ask SB what they want as allowance or should I set my offer upfront?
I had a nice meet-and-greet with a good SB today. Lunch went well. There was no plan afterward as it was just M&G. At the end I asked the POT to send me expectation via email. It was double my offering. Didn't realize in my local area, comparatively small town, allowances are going upto 1k per meet. Uhh. I am either earning less or something is wrong with the market. Well. Even in DC, the asking are not that level. Anyway, I said thank you and putforward my offering. That's it.
Not many POTs. But still looking. My old pot is there as backup but want to see non MILF for once. Will keep posted. I need to learn about allowance offering and making attractive.
HappyHunter44
08-07-13, 22:58
I never pay for the motel until we are in agreement in the parking lot outside.I have not got that far yet, but will do the same. Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
08-08-13, 01:08
I have not got that far yet, but will do the same. Thanks.You will. LOL. And then tell us all about it. Actually I have done a few m&g's in the parking lot. Only been turned down once that I can remember. I remember because she had agreed to the $ and then said it was $$$. So I passed after driving 37 miles. Next she talks her way into my house a few weeks later. Says its $$. I did some making out and it was dead. Nothing worse than a hot girl with awesome lips that can't kiss. Sent her on her way. Next a few more weeks go by and she says ok to the $. But the lackluster kissing killed it for me. She looked like Beyonce. No shit.
Well, all of a sudden Pots are coming out of the woodwork! It is good and bad. I know we all are looking for that new taste of honey different from the same-ole-same.ole, but I have a comfort level ($$) with 2 regulars who are a good little drive out of town. I feel safe going out in public 1 1/2 hrs away and they take care of business.
Now just this week I have 3 very realistic Pots who seem motivated and one new SB. Both my regulars flaked on me this week for ostensibly good reasons. The problem is one I prepaid so she owes me a session before I move on to greener pastures. I know, we all advise against it but I "trust" her to make good. Stay tuned.
SB#3 (formerly Pot # whatever, I lose track)
She is my first AA 23 yr old 10/9/8/10. Wow! Now I get what Hollywood is talking about. She is quiet, shy at first, sweet, and doesn't have sex on the 1st date. Bottom line, we ended up working the sheets and she was very vocal, appreciative, and can't wait for an encore. What a body! What a kisser! She is definitely in the rotation and I may let one go.
Pot #1
Is a 20 something pregnant girl 8/8? We have a M&G for next week. I am turned on by Pregnant girls, especially if they can give up a little breast milk during the exercise portion of the session. We will see if this bears fruit.
Pot #2
Was #1 a 10/10 Asian HCG who is looking like she won't be available when I need her to be. Too Bad because I could see her as an ATF candidate.
Pot #3
Is a beautiful 28 yr old blonde in my area, so it's a little sketchy having one so close to ground zero. Plus she would be the 4th in an active rotation of 3. Preg Pot would make 5 and I definitely can't sustain that long term $ wise.
So life is good for the moment. A good reason to keep extras on tap is that they seem to flake on moments notice so you always have someone to take up the slack.
The take home message for guys having a dry spell is that we all do, then it rains. It is the nature of the business.
I am a noob monger and have been reading the forum for about a month now. First, I would like to say "thank you" to all different those who have posted. I will try to learn from your past errors but cannot guarantee that I still won't screw up at times.
I have sent out about 20 emails and got back about 7 replies. After trimming off the fat, I have the following.
POT#1 is a reply to a CL post. She is a SWF 21yrs 5'6" 125lbs blonde with blue eyes. Her picture is plain but she does have potential to be a beauty. I think she is a Nando1? She has just moved into the area recently and is pushing to meet soon. She agreed to $ per visit 1-2 times a week. I think she is hard up for funds at the moment. But don't know what her story ia yet. Set a MnG for tomorrow lunch. She has asked for $30 for gas money when we meet. Face body attitude skills 8/9/6?
POT#2 is a SWF 21yrs 5'5" slim brunette / blonde. She is a dead ringer for BlakeLively. Sultry smile and flowing hair. I am a sucker for long hair. From her profile she seems to want a mentor / gf type of relationship. She is currently a waitress but would like to move up in life. I have set up a MnG for Monday coffee. She is 1hr away but I have many cousins and friends scattered throughout the area. I have to be careful. I am a noob but I have high hopes for this one. I already broke code and have started texting her with my phone. I know. I need to get a disposable. First on my list after I aquire more funds. 9/9/9?
POT#3 is a SWF HCB 22yrs curvy (chubby?) Redhead Irish / Sicilian mix. She goes to college in my city so I need to be extra careful of where we go. We are just emailing at this point but she seems friendly and willing. I hope to set up a meeting in a few days. 7/7/8?
That is all for now. Critique anyone?
MoJo
This week brought a flurry of activity for me, and none positive. I had lots of Pots this week, including a couple of "residuals" as described earlier, and converted none. In addition, there is unrest with my active SB's; and I may soon be back at square one. The rundown:
SB1. My Asian-American girl has been my recent favorite, despite not sizzling when it comes to sex. She is beautiful, funny and a great date and I thought the sex was improving. Lately she has been busy a lot, I suspect she may have found another SD and is juggling the both of us. I could be okay with that if my time was not suffering, but it is. I will see her tomorrow and if this trend is not changed I will consider cutting her loose.
SB2. Tattoo baby has a personal health issue that is significant and she is rightly focused on dealing with it. I can only wish her well.
SB3. My booty call girl is still around, just not of the caliber to be a "Quality SB".
POT1 is a 26 year old white spinner. 6/9/3. Her profile picture wasn't clear on the face but featured a rocking hard spinner body, just what I am looking for. We emailed for a few days and the attitude seemed much better than the 3 I have assigned now, and we discussed a potential weekly arrangement for $$ for 2-3 meetings. After a bit a M&G was set for Sunday evening. I drove 45 minutes to see her and had to detour to pick her up walking from her apartment at the last minute when she texted to say she didn't have a ride to the agreed upon location. I was disappointed with the appearance, particular some very poor dental work, but was willing to look past it at first. We went to a local place for a drink, and she was all over the place. She was obviously uncomfortable and kind of abruptly decide she was ready to leave the restaurant and have me drive her home. Once in the car she calmed down a bit and I got the conversation back on track. She said that she would be open to meeting a couple of times a week, and asked what I was willing to do per visit. Based on our previous conversation I said $ per visit. She was obviously unhappy and so I dropped he off. Later that night she texted that I made her feel like a cheap hooker. I responded with an apology, wished her well and deleted her number. Two days later she texted me again and said she was over it. I asked if she was sure and she replied she was over the insult and would be willing to meet again, but without anything physical. I said that I would be happy to meet her for dinner or drinks again, no sex and no sugar, to allow her to get comfortable. Her response was that she needed financial assistance right away and we would see about anything else down the road. Her number has now been deleted permanently.
POT2 is 22 years old, white 8/7/8. This was my most promising POT. She told me that this was her first venture in the sugar world, had been on a few meetings but had not met anyone promising till me. We had a good M&G with easy conversation, and by the end she had agreed to the FC and it seemed like we had a good connection. I asked her about her bills, which were modest. We agreed to meet again soon without finalizing the sugar discussion, which turned out to be a mistake on my part. I had asked how she was introduced to this and she told me that her roommate had a SD and had encouraged her to give it a try. When I got home she texted me that she had a great time, wanted to meet again soon, and oh by the way how much could I offer? I asked if she was okay with a per visit arrangement and her initial response was okay. I offered $ per visit, twice a week, which would cover the rent and phone bill she had talked about. There was a delay and then she pushed back that she needed 1k per month, so I suggested $.25 a visit. Another delay, then a request that I give her an allowance of 500, twice a month. I suspect that she was being coached by the roomie while forumlating her responses. I thought about it and told her I was not comfortable with that to start, hoping she would meet compromise, but radio silence since then. She may still come back, but I am considering this a loss.
POT3 is also 22, white. 6/6/8. This was an issue of old pics. Texted for over a week until we finally set up the M&G. At the restaurant I estimated her to be at least 20 lbs heavier than when her photos were taken. She is not obese, just definitely heavier than I prefer. She mentioned in passing that another person she met had offended her by asking how old her pictures were and commenting on the change in her weight. After we ate we sat in my car for a few minutes and kissed, and I am pretty sure that she was very ready to go right then, but I had a later commitment. I told her I would be in touch. She texted later and indicated she was okay with a per visit arrangement. I wasn't sure if I was interested at all, but responded with $ based on her kissing ability. She came back with an expectation of $$, so I thanked her and passed.
POT4 is 26, white. 7/7/8. We emailed briefly and then her communication choice was to talk, so we had phone conversations for a few ays. She was very bubbly and upbeat. We set a M&G for lunch, met and had a nice time, though once again the pics were old and there had been some weight gain. During the course of our conversation she made several comments that indicated to me that she might not be open to the physical part of the arrangement, mentioning how "inappropriate" many of the texts or emails she received were. I decided to let it play out for a while rather than address it then. She asked if I was okay with 'helping with the bills", and I assured her I was. After our meeting she called me and was insistent on setting a time for another date, and suggested that she come to my place to make dinner together and hang at the pool. I thought that was a good sign and agreed, planning to cover the allowance topic in person this time when she came over. I also thought that if she came to my place it was a pretty good indication that she was open to sex. The day we were to get together, she texted me asking for about $$$$ for a couple of bills that were coming due. I responded and asked what she had in mind for help with her bills going forward and how often she planned on getting together (basically, should I expect to get hit for that kind of cash every time I saw her). She hemmed and hawed and finally suggested I help her out with these bills as a friend and we would work the details out later. I told her I needed to think things through and that I thought it would be best if we rescheduled. Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.
All in all, a very frustrating week!
Brothers,
I am on vacation in SC, and am enjoying myself immensely gazing with interest at all the fine, fine pussy there is to be seen. With the family, so I am on my best behavior, but it is fun to see a hot baby and wonder / imagine what it would be like! It adds a whole new dimension to a voyeuristic pursuit.
Keep up the good work, and great to see some new members posting up.
Peace,
Scott
I am a noob monger and have been reading the forum for about a month now. First, I would like to say "thank you" to all different those who have posted. I will try to learn from your past errors but cannot guarantee that I still won't screw up at times.
I have sent out about 20 emails and got back about 7 replies. After trimming off the fat, I have the following.
POT#1 is a reply to a CL post. She is a SWF 21yrs 5'6" 125lbs blonde with blue eyes. Her picture is plain but she does have potential to be a beauty. I think she is a Nando1? She has just moved into the area recently and is pushing to meet soon. She agreed to $ per visit 1-2 times a week. I think she is hard up for funds at the moment. But don't know what her story ia yet. Set a MnG for tomorrow lunch. She has asked for $30 for gas money when we meet. Face body attitude skills 8/9/6?
POT#2 is a SWF 21yrs 5'5" slim brunette / blonde. She is a dead ringer for BlakeLively. Sultry smile and flowing hair. I am a sucker for long hair. From her profile she seems to want a mentor / gf type of relationship. She is currently a waitress but would like to move up in life. I have set up a MnG for Monday coffee. She is 1hr away but I have many cousins and friends scattered throughout the area. I have to be careful. I am a noob but I have high hopes for this one. I already broke code and have started texting her with my phone. I know. I need to get a disposable. First on my list after I aquire more funds. 9/9/9?
POT#3 is a SWF HCB 22yrs curvy (chubby?) Redhead Irish / Sicilian mix. She goes to college in my city so I need to be extra careful of where we go. We are just emailing at this point but she seems friendly and willing. I hope to set up a meeting in a few days. 7/7/8?
That is all for now. Critique anyone?
MoJoWelcome to the Bowl MoJo! We all look forward to hearing about your experiences. You will screw up guaranteed, but the important thing is to keep the errors to a non terminal level. As we all say, read the entire text of this thread 2 times, then read it twice more and you will avoid many of the problems we have encountered in our journey.
I assume you are Married and older? (or have a SO)
Playing in your home pond is extremely risky if you want to go out and entertain these Babies. The non Pros want to be wined and dined, taken shopping, etc. You need to have plausible deniability if you are spotted. But it is hard if you are older than the baby by 10 yrs or more. (40 in my case) , especially if you are holding hands, smooching, and acting silly. I would advise against dating closer than 60 miles so that your homies won't pop over for dinner out. Some guys in bigger markets can get away with it, like Chicago, NYNY, Boston, DC. But still. I ran into a next door neighbor in London a few years ago. What if I was squiring a 20 yr old Babe around? Busted!
Watch out for Nando 1s. If they are desperate enough they could be a nightmare for you. If they want gas money, babysitter fees, etc this can add up, so by the time you cover that plus a hotel you are already out $100+ and the Baby hasn't even gotten her taste yet. You also have to factor in dinner and drinkls, and your gas if you are traveling. It is not a cheap hobby.
A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away. 5) get a burner immediately. 6) be realistic budgeting all the expenses, not just her sugar. And finally, read the thread.
Good luck and as Scotty says, don't forget to write.
GeorgeRichmond
08-09-13, 10:08
Well, well, I met POT yesterday, had coffee, lunch and then went to movie. There was some hesitation of going to room. But after 5-10 mins discussion, she was ok. SB- SWF. 20 (going to be 21 next month), found out that she is dancer. I didn't know until that time. In the room. But very attractive, little more than average size but 5, 10" like the height, all natural-Ds. Well, my little-head couldn't wait. And we moved forward. Good night but no oral and ok kissing. She said, not much into kissing. Well. It was 2 hour drive, worth driving, little high on damage. But no regret. Will have to think about next meet.
HappyHunter44
08-09-13, 10:55
A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away.Wow, great summary of essential "save your a*" criteria. Thanks. Hope to have something to report soon.
GeorgeRichmond
08-09-13, 14:39
Old topic. But some update. I called one hotel for my a future meeting with a SB, in another city. I didn't want to disclose my real name and it is a pretty high end hotel. So I told them specifically, I want to use my business name (told them to use SD name) on reservation. Just my preference and that is what need to be reflected. Bingo: I got reservation under than name. So let's see how it goes.
So my so called SD name is reflected. On reservation. And hopefully that works. Yes, my credit card went through with real name. (spelled last name little differently, like added extra letter) and so far so good. Let's see how this trip goes. I never done this. 1-2 day out with SB. Still several things to worry. Like rental car and other things like food. But this is all inclusive. If they use my SD name. To call me. In the hotel I am still covered.
Google voice, txt. Still working like charm. Have not tried to get a burner phone but might do it.
More to come.
Welcome to the Bowl MoJo! We all look forward to hearing about your experiences. You will screw up guaranteed, but the important thing is to keep the errors to a non terminal level. As we all say, read the entire text of this thread 2 times, then read it twice more and you will avoid many of the problems we have encountered in our journey.
I assume you are Married and older? (or have a SO)
Playing in your home pond is extremely risky if you want to go out and entertain these Babies. The non Pros want to be wined and dined, taken shopping, etc. You need to have plausible deniability if you are spotted. But it is hard if you are older than the baby by 10 yrs or more. (40 in my case) , especially if you are holding hands, smooching, and acting silly. I would advise against dating closer than 60 miles so that your homies won't pop over for dinner out. Some guys in bigger markets can get away with it, like Chicago, NYNY, Boston, DC. But still. I ran into a next door neighbor in London a few years ago. What if I was squiring a 20 yr old Babe around? Busted!
Watch out for Nando 1s. If they are desperate enough they could be a nightmare for you. If they want gas money, babysitter fees, etc this can add up, so by the time you cover that plus a hotel you are already out $100+ and the Baby hasn't even gotten her taste yet. You also have to factor in dinner and drinkls, and your gas if you are traveling. It is not a cheap hobby.
A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away. 5) get a burner immediately. 6) be realistic budgeting all the expenses, not just her sugar. And finally, read the thread.
Good luck and as Scotty says, don't forget to write.Thanks for the advice, bro-mongers.
Yes I am married and in my early forties. I love my SO but just not physically attracted to her anymore. She never lost that pregnancy weight and its been seven years. Its great for her when we have sex because I last so long and she has multi O's but not so much for me. I love my SO hut I just don't want to have sex with her. Oxymoron, eh? Am I all alone on this boat?
I work second shift and have the mornings til 2pm to monger so that doesn't leave me the option of long distance mongering. I am shooting for 1 and half hour radius at max. I must be asanine and insane to play so close to fire but that's where it is the warmest. I am from Brew-town so I should have enough of a playground. I like that there are two major colleges and four minor ones located within the county. If ya'll have any specific strategies or advice. I am all ears.
UPDATE.
POT#1 Swf is shaping to be a Nando1. She flaked an hour before the meet with an email saying she overslept. Not buying it. Will have to let this one go I think. She has been emailimg like crazy to make it up but with long periods of silence in between. I am thinking drugs. Will have to ask her.
POT#2 SULTRY blonde blakelively has been texting well and have set up MnG coffee for Monday. She is an hour away but I have cousins galore there so I have a cover story ready just in case. Its not foolproof but will pass almost all inspection. I digress but PM me for details if interested. We seem to have a lot in common and she really wants to learn new things. Keeping my fingers crossed and buying condoms. :)
POT#3 IRISH HCB is also a nanny. Lots of emailing and really is intelligent and determined. We also have a lot to talk about and am in the process ofscheduling a meet. Her profile says 'curvy' so I am tempering my expectations. I am having her send me a full body pic. Question. When is ir a good time to send out my picture to them? I am no slug but neither am I a model. Think "Bollo" from Enter the Dragon.
POT#4 SWF blonde tall and slim with tattoos. Sent me a bikini pic and she has a toned body with C cups and a tight ass. 8/10/8 for now. She is a waitress and has her days free. Good coincidence! We have been emailing and meet is set for next Thursday.
What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?
I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one :)
Take care and have fun,
MoJo
Brothers,
I am on vacation in SC, and am enjoying myself immensely gazing with interest at all the fine, fine pussy there is to be seen. With the family, so I am on my best behavior, but it is fun to see a hot baby and wonder / imagine what it would be like! It adds a whole new dimension to a voyeuristic pursuit.
Keep up the good work, and great to see some new members posting up.
Peace,
ScottEnjoy the view Scott! And remember as you are observing those perfectly toned and tanned bodies with melt-your-heart accents, a high percentage of them will be more than happy to take care of all your needs at a price much less than the Windy City. Come back after Labor Day for some off season rates from the locals!
HollywoodGuy
08-09-13, 22:56
What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?
I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one.
Take care and have fun,
MoJoAre they shaved smooth and do they have good kissing skills. If they they yes to those 2 questions I am more than half way home. Oh, and do they agree with $ per date.
HollywoodGuy
08-10-13, 00:29
This week brought a flurry of activity for me, and none positive. I had lots of Pots this week, including a couple of "residuals" as described earlier, and converted none. In addition, there is unrest with my active SB's; and I may soon be back at square one.I have gotten pretty picky about the pics. Been fooled a few times myself.
Member #5570
08-10-13, 08:54
So the theme of this board the past couple of days is 'flake'. In the interest of keeping my post on topic, I am happy to report that this Pot turns out to be a flake.
We were supposed to meet today at noon. Yesterday morning we were still texting like crazy. By late afternoon, she stopped responding to texts. This morning, no response whatsoever from my texts and voicemail. She went completely silence about 18 hours before our date.
I will lay low and check back with her in a week to see what happened to her.A little bit of a crazy day on a rainy Friday.
So, after getting back from a M&G, which I will discuss later, I decided to send a txt to this AA HYB just to say hi. 20 minutes or so later, I got a strings of txts from her apologizing and begged me not to be mad at her. She told me she got cold feet and asked God for guidance, to give her a sign if she should go ahead and meet with me and get fucked. So God gave her a sign and blew out her transmission. LOL, not sure how much of that I can believe but it's not unusual for a non pro to get second thoughts and backed out.
So, being the gentleman that I am LOL. I played cool, and told her I completely understand her situation and apologize to her for being too direct and quick to get her panties off. So, I offered her a lunch date (at the FC) of course and nothing more. I gave her a list of restaurants near my work place and asked her what she likes me to get and she picked a chicken ceasar salad from Boston Market. I then asked her if she like desert, and she said 'depends on how things go, I might have you for desert'. LOL, her words so we'll see. Lunch date is Monday.
Another AA pot. So, I went to a M&G with his really hot AA spinner. She's 5'5 about 110 22yr old. In college and work as a hair stylist. I kid you not, she got an ass and set of tits like they belong to Byonce, and thick luscious lips. Think of her as a mini Byonce.
This is a first for me, getting a girl into the FC and failed to get her panties to drop. This MG didn't start well at all. First, she arrived almost an hour late. I was pissed, each time I txt her she kept saying she's almost here. Finally I sent a txt and told her I am going back to work, so she called me and said she's about 5 min away. So I decided to hang around a little longer, sure enough about 7 minute she arrived at the hotel. Gave her room number and she came right up. Once I open that door, all is forgotten. She's damn hot. Tight blue jeans, with mini tight tank tops, and long thick curly hair, smelled great. So we hug, and made our ways to edge of bed, sat and talk for about 30min, with a bit of light touching and caressing in between.
Long story short, after 30 min or so of talks. I gently asked her if we should have some fun and she bluntly responded NO. I just broke out laughing and said she's painfully straight. Well, we did agreed to a M&G only though.
We had a few more giggles over her response then got up and leave. But before exiting out the door, she asked if she could give me a kiss, so we hug, kissed and I got to grab that thick ass before we departed.
I sense a bit of GPS in this girl. Told me she wants to go back to college and finished her BS, and also want to start her own salon and would like a daddy to help with that. I told her I can only help with her bills, LOL. I wouldn't hold too much hope on her, but damn I would love to get her panties on the floor at least once. I will txt her next week and she if she's up for another visit at the FC, but only this time with my dick in her pussy. LOL
HappyHunter44
08-10-13, 11:54
A little bit of a crazy day on a rainy Friday.
So, after getting back from a M&G, which I will discuss later, I decided to send a txt to this AA HYB just to say hi. 20 minutes or so later, I got a strings of txts from her apologizing and begged me not to be mad at her. She told me she got cold feet and asked God for guidance, to give her a sign if she should go ahead and meet with me and get fucked. So God gave her a sign and blew out her transmission. LOL, not sure how much of that I can believe but it's not unusual for a non pro to get second thoughts and backed out.
So, being the gentleman that I am LOL. I played cool, and told her I completely understand her situation and apologize to her for being too direct and quick to get her panties off. So, I offered her a lunch date (at the FC) of course and nothing more. I gave her a list of restaurants near my work place and asked her what she likes me to get and she picked a chicken ceasar salad from Boston Market. I then asked her if she like desert, and she said 'depends on how things go, I might have you for desert'. LOL, her words so we'll see. Lunch date is Monday.
Another AA pot. So, I went to a M&G with his really hot AA spinner. She's 5'5 about 110 22yr old. In college and work as a hair stylist. I kid you not, she got an ass and set of tits like they belong to Byonce, and thick luscious lips. Think of her as a mini Byonce.
This is a first for me, getting a girl into the FC and failed to get her panties to drop. This MG didn't start well at all. First, she arrived almost an hour late. I was pissed, each time I txt her she kept saying she's almost here. Finally I sent a txt and told her I am going back to work, so she called me and said she's about 5 min away. So I decided to hang around a little longer, sure enough about 7 minute she arrived at the hotel. Gave her room number and she came right up. Once I open that door, all is forgotten. She's damn hot. Tight blue jeans, with mini tight tank tops, and long thick curly hair, smelled great. So we hug, and made our ways to edge of bed, sat and talk for about 30min, with a bit of light touching and caressing in between.
Long story short, after 30 min or so of talks. I gently asked her if we should have some fun and she bluntly responded NO. I just broke out laughing and said she's painfully straight. Well, we did agreed to a M&G only though.
We had a few more giggles over her response then got up and leave. But before exiting out the door, she asked if she could give me a kiss, so we hug, kissed and I got to grab that thick ass before we departed.
I sense a bit of GPS in this girl. Told me she wants to go back to college and finished her BS, and also want to start her own salon and would like a daddy to help with that. I told her I can only help with her bills, LOL. I wouldn't hold too much hope on her, but damn I would love to get her panties on the floor at least once. I will txt her next week and she if she's up for another visit at the FC, but only this time with my dick in her pussy. LOLMy Pot #1 (that I had dropped already. See previous posts) emailed me last night after flaking with a similar story. It did not involve God, but the reason she said was she got confused. OK, I get that. I then told her to let me know when things are possible, and she responded that sounds good.
Just out of the blue a few hours later, I emailed her saying if she is in a money bind then let's make things simple. We meet; we horizontal bop; I gift $. Holy crap, she responded that sounded easier than the whole SD / SB thing. Go figure. Looks like a UTR in the making.
I will continue to develop the idea in her head. It is possible she has not thought through what she said. So she is back on the game a bit.
HappyHunter44
08-10-13, 12:10
My Pot #1 (that I had dropped already. See previous posts) emailed me last night after flaking with a similar story. It did not involve God, but the reason she said was she got confused. OK, I get that. I then told her to let me know when things are possible, and she responded that sounds good.
Just out of the blue a few hours later, I emailed her saying if she is in a money bind then let's make things simple. We meet; we horizontal bop; I gift $. Holy crap, she responded that sounded easier than the whole SD / SB thing. Go figure. Looks like a UTR in the making.
I will continue to develop the idea in her head. It is possible she has not thought through what she said. So she is back on the game a bit.I just realized I do not think I identified this babe as POT #1. There were four pots I was dealing with. She is the main one who texted me for the time and place to get together. I went silent (work related) for a couple days, and she texted me saying she hopes I am still meeting her. Sounded promising.
Then when the day before comes, she flakes and no response to the confirmation text. Now she wants back into some game. Will play this one carefully.
Coming to you with a new handle as old one caused problems.
BB. Interesting frank discussion from all. Thank you to all who contributed. I really enjoy BB. Have done it for years with SO. And have the big V so no concern with little ones but also cannot bring anything home without nuclear apocalypse. Will try adjusting my new SBs on raincots and using the lube advice. I find if going greek it doesn't matter but that's pretty rare.
On allowance, I started at $$/visit and almost all said yes. But that was tough to hide in cash so slowly ratched down as I would be reluctant to pay the $$ and go for lower price. I expect multiple hours if not overnite from all. Had a recent interesting experience with 2 SBs. SB3 who I told I moved out of town emailed do I come back to visit. I emailed her I do but financial situation had changed and sugar would be "very limited". Says she doesn't care. Look her up. Mid 30's and not beautiful. Guess things are tough.
SB13. More about her later, again a 30 yo MILF who reminds me of Reese Witherspoon. Great tits. Ducked out early on 3rd date but texted a few days later can she come over as she has "needs". Told her she is out of sugar sequence so little to be had and she replied that's ok. So late evening booty call. She is flaky but at least doesn't want to marry me like SB 10. More on that one later.
Lately had M&G with late 30's POT. My guess 40's. Who stuck to $2K / month. Her $$$$$ solution was one nite a month of whoppee and one nite a month meet and greet. WTF. I really don't need anyone to tell me I am witty. I need you on all fours. Not sure if she gets any takers. Will have to ask.
Update you as I can but keep the faith guys. This sure is an interesting corner of the world!
Re: SO We prob shouldn't get married, it always gets old We all feel that way.
Send a pic after good convo has been had and she seems interested. Girls are not as visual as guys and what matters the most is security (aka money)
The M&G is primarily a getting a feel for each other. Chit chat and thrill them with your rapier with, then near the end ask if they would like to see you again. If the answer is yes then ask her what she would like to get out of a relationship with you. We differ on whether to discuss sugar beforehand, but I think it is important to make sure you are in the ballpark. If they like you they are more likely to cut you a better deal, so M&G is good. If you are not a hot guy or particularly agile conversationalist she might require more sugar. I like to rule out the GPS girls brfore wasting my time and valuable courting dollars.
Sounds like you are off to a good start!
Thanks for the advice, bro-mongers.
I love my SO hut I just don't want to have sex with her. Oxymoron, eh? Am I all alone on this boat?
POT#3 When is ir a good time to send out my picture to them? I am no slug but neither am I a model.
What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?
I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one.
Take care and have fun,
MoJo
So I still feel like I have been smiled upon by angels. My one-and-only SB is as sweet, attractive, eager-to-please, sensual, and voracious as ever. Last week we had a FC session that was five hours long, which was only briefly interrupted by some much-needed breaks and a couple of showers. And afterwards she was thanking *me* over text, with adjectives like "mind-blowing" liberally applied.
The Time Machine effect is simply stunning, and I feel like I've been transported to the college experience I wish I'd gotten but obviously never did. Even in the best of times with my SO, a five hour session with three pops for me and "I lost count" for her? I never even remotely considered something like that to be possible.
This weekend I had carefully arranged to be able to do an overnight, a rarity given my family schedule. Last-minute she contacted me that a chronic medical issue she's been having cropped up again and she was concerned she wouldn't be able to "perform". A perfect storm of the miscommunication-via-text, an inability to arrange a time to talk over the phone to mitigate the damage texting was causing, and a really bad workday for her almost nixed the whole thing.
In the end we managed to sort it all out. To help take any unclear expectations off the table, I offered that we could keep intimate activities to a minimum and skip the sugar if that made her feel more comfortable-she had repeatedly offered the latter so I took the hint. And boy what a weekend: dinner, a romantic walk-along-the-river, movie, then to bed. Our vow of celibacy crumbled pretty damned quick, and any concern of performance issues were quickly discovered to be baseless. Right up there with our previous encounter.
The kicker was in the end. Since this encounter turned out to be as intimate as ever, I decided to give her the token present I had already wrapped, which also contained the sugar. She balked, and after explaining my reasoning I offered that she could think it over and decide whether to keep it or not, whatever was most in her comfort zone. She later texted me that she had meant to give it back, didn't want the sugar to be part of this weekend's experience, and to not bring anything next time we meet. Uh, wow.
So I've been thinking about the nature of the relationship. While the baseline arrangement is a SD / SB pay-for-play, it reminds me more of what back-in-the-day would be called a "mistress". The latter often included financial help, if perhaps not as clearly defined as it is with SD / SB. But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.
While this may be angels-on-the-head-of-pin, where does she stop being a SB and start being a mistress?
To that point, I have no desire or plans to build a cadre of SB's-I can barely manage just one, and right now I'm damned happy with what I get out of this deal. While she could turn out to be an Oscar-worthy actress, all signs indicate that she's grateful for the financial help but really isn't in this for the sugar. She seems to get much more out of the companionship with a kind and mature individual, the emotional connection and support, the life-coaching and mentoring I provide, not to mention the "mind-blowing" sex.
What an interesting trip this has been so far.
As Revvo says,"be careful out there". To which I add, be more careful than me.
Great to see so many new guys. Love the stories. Been on vacation myself and trying to back off any new prospects for now. I have been told by more than one veteran on here not to burn the candle too much.
On the hotels I always wait to book it at the time of the date with a new one and I like to use Trivago or Hotwire. Had good luck with both of them. Of course if it is a reliable baby then I can book in advance.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.Why meeting a SB at home (even if single) is a bad idea until there's a high degree of trust / comfort built up. If she's desperate enough to resort to BP, then who knows what she'd do knowing where you live!
Glad you lucked out on this one!
I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.
I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?
Also - I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are ... $5K - $10k a month .... I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.
But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.I'll qualify the above remark that I have no plans to renege on the original deal unless there was some external factor outside my control. I'm as certain as one can possibly be that the funds are being used for constructive purposes. By happenstance, I was there when she paid her deposit at the local community college last month. So in my earlier musings of the "mistress" category (and as I've mentioned in earlier posts) , I'm quite happy to be giving some financial assistance since by all accounts it appears to be a worthy cause.
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 14:46
I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.
I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?
Also. I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are. $5K. $10k a month. I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.Actually the drop down choices just confuses the girls. They have limited choices for low dollar amounts. If you check the stats on how many choose the lowest option it's a very small number. They are subconsciously being guided to a larger amount than they would have never dreamed of. In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.
In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.
ICantGetNo
08-12-13, 17:20
The operators are on to something with their verified ID, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified ID service. Did it result in an increase in attention?
I thought the verification was worth it. For any POTs that were hesitant, I would allude that I've been "vetted" and am as legit as you'll get on SA. I think it put more than one SB at ease.
Member #5570
08-12-13, 17:24
Quick question.
Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?
Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.
Thanks,
Quick question.
Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?
Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.
Thanks, I've been paying cash for Vanilla Visa Gift Cards, which are one-time prepaid debits with a $500 limit. Works well for me, although she has to deal with the "last dollar" problem with the money broken up into discrete chunks across a bunch of gift cards. A bit inconvenient, although she has yet to complain.
If things stay stable after my SB and I both adjust to our new, busier schedules this fall, I'll look into having her get a Green Dot card. It's refillable, has a higher limit, and I can remotely send her money using refill codes I buy with cash. The latter would make going to an allowance a lot easier if that starts to make sense, and dodges the last-dollar problem.
Quick question.
Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?
Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.
Thanks, I looked into this more than a bit when I re-married. My hope was to find a card that wouldn't show-up on my credit report. Other than a few very shady off-shore cards, it was an epic fail.
The re-loadable ones at CVS etc. Usually have a monthly charge, and they require the SB to register the card etc. The best I found when I looked was American Express' Serve card. The SB still has to register, and you can add Green Dot Money Paks. I double checked just now and they don't have a monthly fee, and there's no ATM fee if you use it within a specific ATM network.
I'm meeting with a POT this week with whom I may set this up if things go well.
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 18:26
quick question.
Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?
Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.
Thanks, greendot card
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 18:29
I have been experimenting off and on with just chit chatting a girl first and then when it seems there is some rapport hitting them up with the $ amount. This usually leads to dead silence and a lot of wasted time. I normally put my $ amount in the first message. Much better. I can send out as many messages as I want and then only have to qualify as to personality etc afterwards
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 19:50
In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.It's just like on sd4me where they ask for income level and the girls confuse that its supposed to be their income level not the guys.
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 20:43
ME. Intro Letter to a 19 year old
HER. Well I'll be honest with you, I need financial help. In my opinion its very minor. I do need to pay off student loans. I'm letting you know this because of your last paragraph (which talks about the compensation). I'm not looking for a monthly allowance or anything. But this is important to me.
ME. Yeah. I know those loans are a lot. Nobodies is less than a few thousands. You need a big time SD.
HER. Yea, I need 2 thousand. I've already paid most off, but it isn't easy.
ME. And even if we connected and I saw you once a week. That would only be $400 a month.
HER. Why only $400 a month? Please, explain to me. I've never done this before.
ME. I pay $100 a visit. Whether its an hour or two or the whole day. Plus any normal dating expenses if we go out, like dinner or a movie (except I rarely take them out. And if I do I start to subtract that from the $ per visit). You can get more from some guys, maybe guys you aren't that attracted to. But thats kinda how it works. Guys with game don't pay alot. Just enough so you realize they are serious.
HER. When can we go out? (time to double close)
ME. And yr not a player. Just a sweet nice girl that needs a little help combined with having a good time.
HER. Yea I'm not a player, I've never been and don't know how to be one. I'm just a daddys girl!
ME. Txt me at xxx-xxxx.
For me this is rare. Usually they see my offer and delete it or just say "ok, when can we meet." I do a lot of pre-qualifying in the letter as I do not have time for a lot of chit chat, endless emails, or multiple or failed M&G's. I,d rather wash them out fast (and maybe I do lose a few good ones). but in sales I was taught to look for a friendly handshake. If I have to do a lot of convincing, seriously, it takes the energy out of me. I want a lay down (literally. LOL) BTW. this girl and any girl with an affirmative response has already agreed to some sexual contact to start getting sugared. I will wait to date number two for intercourse if I have to. That's my one giveaway. But I don't think it's a coincidence that all 3 of my current regular SB's went for it on the first date. The chemistry combined with their urgency sealed the deal.
Follow up since I been writing this.
ME. thats the kind of a girl i can appreciate.. i only really date 18 or 19 year old black or mixed girls. Maybe they need to get out of their shell, wanna open up to someone they feel safe with. Like to kiss and cuddle, and of course a lot more with the right guy, a guy that knows what a girl wants and needs.
HER. Well I'm 19 , I mean I like to make out and stuff like that . Lol. of course I like to have sex . I'm not a super freak though , lol . And I'm only shy at first .
ME. I know babe. thats what I,m here for .. to understand those things and be gentle until I don't have to be.
She just txted me
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 21:35
Messaged a hot latina MILF about a week ago. She reads my message and deletes it. I see today she checks out my profile. I send her an off the cuff message.
"I, m not all bad. LOL. Just when you need me to be."
She messages back with her number.
I like to keep it short and sweet and straight to the point.
We're txting now.
Any brother have any interactions with these two lovelies. http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
They initiated the conversation with a wink. Emails are well written, self-deprecating, and a bit funny. Yet- I remain skeptical. I'm taking my time with them, and treating it as a night at the movies. Pure entertainment.
If others have positive or negative (more likely) encounters, please PM me.
Some other good POT's. We'll see where things go
HollywoodGuy
08-12-13, 22:28
Any brother have any interactions with these two lovelies.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
They initiated the conversation with a wink. Emails are well written, self-deprecating, and a bit funny. Yet- I remain skeptical. I'm taking my time with them, and treating it as a night at the movies. Pure entertainment.
If others have positive or negative (more likely) encounters, please PM me.
Some other good POT's. We'll see where things goThis
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
Flipped to this.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/loginfailed.php
Maybe you have to be a member to see the profiles?
GeorgeRichmond
08-12-13, 22:40
For me this is rare. Usually they see my offer and delete it or just say "ok, when can we meet." I do a lot of pre-qualifying in the letter as I do not have time for a lot of chit chat, endless emails, or multiple or failed M&G's. I, the rather wash them out fast (and maybe I do lose a few good ones). But in sales I was taught to look for a friendly handshake. If I have to do a lot of convincing, seriously, it takes the energy out of me. I want a lay down (literally. LOL) BTW. This girl and any girl with an affirmative response has already agreed to some sexual contact to start getting sugared. I will wait to date number two for intercourse if I have to. That's my one giveaway. But I don't think it's a coincidence that all 3 of my current regular SB's went for it on the first date. The chemistry combined with their urgency sealed the deal.
She just txted meHollywoodGuy Bro.
This is amazing to me. I am getting trained. I am offering initial high allowance outside my comfort zone. Now I learned. I wish I had this training before. But, this was a great lesson to me. For me, I offer and girls keep raising. I need to make my plan, marketing sales speech ready.
Thanks bro
GeorgeRichmond
08-12-13, 22:46
This.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
Flipped to this.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/loginfailed.php
Maybe you have to be a member to see the profiles?If you have SA account, just login as base member. Use the profile number search 1605126 and it will show you the profile.
I pulled it and no feedback from my side. Yes, if you find at good allowance and they appear as stated, it might be a fun ride.
Good Luck,
Greg
HollywoodGuy
08-13-13, 03:54
Messaged a hot latina MILF about a week ago. She reads my message and deletes it. I see today she checks out my profile. I send her an off the cuff message.
"I, m not all bad. LOL. Just when you need me to be."
She messages back with her number.
I like to keep it short and sweet and straight to the point.
We're txting now.So I am replying / updating the post. So we met for drinks but nobody drank. We talked for 2 hours. She refused to let me pay for her parking and ordered nothing, so the bill to me was $5 for my appetizer. Stunning tanned Latina. Hard to call her a MILF as she has no kids and the body to prove it. About 5'3" 100 lbs and D cups, probably implants but who cares. Some LFK and roaming hands. She only wants to civi date? Only been in the states about 7 years. I have to say I really am thrown off a bit by her independence. We made a 2nd date.
HollywoodGuy
08-13-13, 04:32
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-2153022-Babyxprincess-Hollywood-California-SugarBaby
I know she is at least $$$ a visit.
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-2153022-Babyxprincess-Hollywood-California-SugarBaby
I know she is at least $$$ a visit.$$$ for a dinner and a few hours in the FC with that would be a bargain IMHO. Escorts of her caliber in LA want $1k / hr.
Of course if she has GPS, then it would be a colossal waste of time.
I'll take a run at her next time I'm in LA and KAL isn't around.
This.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
Flipped to this.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/loginfailed.php
Maybe you have to be a member to see the profiles?Looks like it. Apologies
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-2153022-Babyxprincess-Hollywood-California-SugarBaby
I know she is at least $$$ a visit.Damn HG she is hot!
I bet she is a lot of trouble. How do you know about her?
Did you do her?
Revvo
Any brother have any interactions with these two lovelies.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1605126
They initiated the conversation with a wink. Emails are well written, self-deprecating, and a bit funny. Yet- I remain skeptical. I'm taking my time with them, and treating it as a night at the movies. Pure entertainment.
If others have positive or negative (more likely) encounters, please PM me.
Some other good POT's. We'll see where things goI pulled up their page and have not encountered them.
But re: dancers / strippers I've had 2, both exceedingly good experiences. These girls can make 1000s / night if they are good, so a SB for $ to $$$/night is a bargain. The lifestyle is lucrative but takes it's toll on them, and they get wrapped up in the sex, drugs, and rock &Roll lifestyle.
ED #1 (exotic Dancer)
22 yr old WF 8/8/7/8 practicing dancer I picked up off SDFM. She was down for the FC after a M&G at Starbucks for $$ plus hotel. I tried to turn her into a SB but she wasn't up to it. Just wanted to do the 1 hr hooker thing. She took me BB but had very little emotional involvement. That ended after a few more dates.
ED # 2
I recently consummated a M&G in the FC. She is a 10/10/10/10 former dancer in a hot market. The damage was $$1/2 and well worth it. She is my ATF # 4. I was shocked because I felt that I would not be in her league since she seemed too perfect, but she was cool with it I'm jacked about this one. She is on my regular rotation.
HollywoodGuy
08-13-13, 12:24
Damn HG she is hot!
I bet she is a lot of trouble. How do you know about her?
Did you do her?
RevvoI remember chatting with her about 2 years ago. When a girl is on an SD site for years, their level of compensation is usually over my head. If they say they are a dancer, usually over my head. If they are a hot blond with a good body, usually over my head. If they say their hobby is shopping, usually over my head.
Here is a profile that I include for the clubhouse's collective amusement. This chick defines GPS in anyone's book.
SA # 1704734
GeorgeRichmond
08-13-13, 13:44
Here is a profile that I include for the clubhouse's collective amusement. This chick defines GPS in anyone's book.
SA # 1704734I totally agree. I looked at it and thought the same. I didn't dare to even send a wink. 50+ to start with. And looks like high demands.
Member #5055
08-13-13, 14:51
The face / profile looks familiar. Perhaps our resident sleuth and image guru Fotog has some idea of who she is?
Here is a profile that I include for the clubhouse's collective amusement. This chick defines GPS in anyone's book.
SA # 1704734
Member #5055
08-13-13, 14:57
Sa # 1002540.
Arrangement I am Seeking
I'm Seeking:
Sugar Daddy
I Expect:
Open - Amount Negotiable
Description:
I'm looking for a nice man who is interested in being financially dominated by me, this may include teamviewing and blackmail. Don't message me unless you're willing to commit to something. I am a queen and will be treated as such, no disrespect will be tolerated, you will be ignored and blocked.
I am not in a position to meet up in real time, but I can verify my identity if needed
venmo and giftrocket are my preferred ways of receiving payments
here is a profile that i include for the clubhouse's collective amusement. This chick defines gps in anyone's book.
Sa # 1704734
This morning I get a text from SB3, my booty call girl. She is $ per visit (but I've been giving her an extra 20 for gas because she has to drive all the way across town to see me) extremely accommodating, but just not ATF material. I haven't seen her in a week or so, and this morning I got a text from her that started out with "IDK if you're looking for another SB". I thought at first she was complaining about me not seeing her, but it turns out she has a friend she had told about our arrangement who wants to get into the bowl! What's a SD to do? I had told SB3 when we met that I had one other baby that I see on an infrequent basis, taking a page from HG's book, and she was okay with it. Anyway, I've asked for a pic and will probably meet up with her as soon as I can fit her in.
SB3 is a little over my ideal weight but by no means BBW, and she says this girl is similar. I seem to have a lot of baby fat girls falling into my lap. I will continue to do my duty until I happen across the hot spinner I know is out there!
HollywoodGuy
08-13-13, 17:28
This morning I get a text from SB3, my booty call girl. She is $ per visit (but I've been giving her an extra 20 for gas because she has to drive all the way across town to see me) extremely accommodating, but just not ATF material. I haven't seen her in a week or so, and this morning I got a text from her that started out with "IDK if you're looking for another SB". I thought at first she was complaining about me not seeing her, but it turns out she has a friend she had told about our arrangement who wants to get into the bowl! What's a SD to do? I had told SB3 when we met that I had one other baby that I see on an infrequent basis, taking a page from HG's book, and she was okay with it. Anyway, I've asked for a pic and will probably meet up with her as soon as I can fit her in.
SB3 is a little over my ideal weight but by no means BBW, and she says this girl is similar. I seem to have a lot of baby fat girls falling into my lap. I will continue to do my duty until I happen across the hot spinner I know is out there!Fill up your pipeline and then start aiming higher
GeorgeRichmond
08-13-13, 19:34
Here is the flake SB profile: 1703578
Came to see for Meet and greet. I went to order and she ran away. I just don't get it. We agreed for allowance and it was first M&G. Then decide for next date.
Again, I could see that this sb is planning to rob someone. Stay away. Fake stories (looking for birth family for year, friend had baby etc) , and fake information about what is happening.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1703578
Greg
GeorgeRichmond
08-13-13, 20:18
I met this SB (Profile 1690540). Complete GPS. Please watch out. Have a heck of story. Like already in relationship but her SO agreed to be ok. She will need to discuss every meet with her SO. They have open relationship. Whatever that means.
I asked will you even disclose location, hotel, etc. Answer- Yes. Ok. No for me. Allowance in 1K per meet. Sorry no no for me.
Ok, so I live up in the Boston area and we don't have a Sugarbaby thread on our board so I had not even heard of this until I saw your thread pop up on the USASG home page. Have read quite a bit. And I'm jealous. Or, perhaps I should be hopeful. Hopeful that I can find the same kind of success up here in the Boston area as some of you are finding in VA. Have you heard one way or the other about whether these sites (SugarD or SA or AF or ANYthing) have the same successes up in New England?
Also, despite my trying to find the answers on my own, I can't figure out some of these acronyms. What is a Nando1? Or an FC? Or a Pot?
Thanks for any response. PM is fine if that's what you prefer!
-TG23
HollywoodGuy
08-13-13, 23:19
Ok, so I live up in the Boston area and we don't have a Sugarbaby thread on our board so I had not even heard of this until I saw your thread pop up on the USASG home page. Have read quite a bit. And I'm jealous. Or, perhaps I should be hopeful. Hopeful that I can find the same kind of success up here in the Boston area as some of you are finding in VA. Have you heard one way or the other about whether these sites (SugarD or SA or AF or ANYthing) have the same successes up in New England?
Also, despite my trying to find the answers on my own, I can't figure out some of these acronyms. What is a Nando1? Or an FC? Or a Pot?
Thanks for any response. PM is fine if that's what you prefer!
-TG23LOL. FC is my favorite, but I never use it in my posts.
WoodSlinger
08-14-13, 00:45
Ok, so I live up in the Boston area and we don't have a Sugarbaby thread on our board so I had not even heard of this until I saw your thread pop up on the USASG home page. Have read quite a bit. And I'm jealous. Or, perhaps I should be hopeful. Hopeful that I can find the same kind of success up here in the Boston area as some of you are finding in VA. Have you heard one way or the other about whether these sites (SugarD or SA or AF or ANYthing) have the same successes up in New England?
Also, despite my trying to find the answers on my own, I can't figure out some of these acronyms. What is a Nando1? Or an FC? Or a Pot?
Thanks for any response. PM is fine if that's what you prefer!
-TG23Girls are the same everywhere there is need. Boston is a big town, try your hand at CL to warm up, watch out for pros, have a little game and you'll be balls deep in no time.
PS. I wish I could spends some time in Bean town. Those Irish chicks are hot!
ME. Intro Letter to a 19 year old
HER. Well I'll be honest with you, I need financial help. In my opinion its very minor. I do need to pay off student loans. I'm letting you know this because of your last paragraph (which talks about the compensation). I'm not looking for a monthly allowance or anything. But this is important to me.
ME. Yeah. I know those loans are a lot. Nobodies is less than a few thousands. You need a big time SD.
HER. Yea, I need 2 thousand. I've already paid most off, but it isn't easy.
ME. And even if we connected and I saw you once a week. That would only be $400 a month.
HER. Why only $400 a month? Please, explain to me. I've never done this before.
ME. I pay $100 a visit. Whether its an hour or two or the whole day. Plus any normal dating expenses if we go out, like dinner or a movie (except I rarely take them out. And if I do I start to subtract that from the $ per visit). You can get more from some guys, maybe guys you aren't that attracted to. But thats kinda how it works. Guys with game don't pay alot. Just enough so you realize they are serious.
HER. When can we go out? (time to double close)
ME. And yr not a player. Just a sweet nice girl that needs a little help combined with having a good time.
HER. Yea I'm not a player, I've never been and don't know how to be one. I'm just a daddys girl!
ME. Txt me at xxx-xxxx.
For me this is rare. Usually they see my offer and delete it or just say "ok, when can we meet." I do a lot of pre-qualifying in the letter as I do not have time for a lot of chit chat, endless emails, or multiple or failed M&G's. I, the rather wash them out fast (and maybe I do lose a few good ones). But in sales I was taught to look for a friendly handshake. If I have to do a lot of convincing, seriously, it takes the energy out of me. I want a lay down (literally. LOL) BTW. This girl and any girl with an affirmative response has already agreed to some sexual contact to start getting sugared. I will wait to date number two for intercourse if I have to. That's my one giveaway. But I don't think it's a coincidence that all 3 of my current regular SB's went for it on the first date. The chemistry combined with their urgency sealed the deal.
Follow up since I been writing this.
ME. Thats the kind of a girl I can appreciate. I only really date 18 or 19 year old black or mixed girls. Maybe they need to get out of their shell, want to open up to someone they feel safe with. Like to kiss and cuddle, and of course a lot more with the right guy, a guy that knows what a girl wants and needs.
HER. Well I'm 19, I mean I like to make out and stuff like that. LOL. Of course I like to have sex. I'm not a super freak though, LOL. And I'm only shy at first.
ME. I know babe. Thats what I, m here for. To understand those things and be gentle until I don't have to be.
She just txted meHG, you & many more on this forum got more game than Jordan in his prime with the 6 rings to go with it. I find myself copying and pasting some of the nuggets on this forum onto a notepad to use on these babies. I had some success on SA but once my membership expired so did I. I went the cheap route on SD4me by signing up for the free trial & once it expired, I would only contact the total access members but not much luck there. I have wasted $ 120 or so on AM but no response from the babies on there. When the funds get right, I will revisit SA & put the skills I have learned to the test. Keep the stories coming.
GeorgeRichmond
08-14-13, 09:13
Why someone agree to meet for M&G and then they do showup but in middle of the meet, they runaway without saying anything? What do they get?
This happened to me yesterday. College SB verified, nursing student, came for the M&G. She responded my txt (. Everything started or ended with "haha"). May be this is a joke for this college SB in Midlothian / chesterfield area.
SB stayed for 15 mins or less and when I went to get coffee. She just ran. Well, they could just say "I don't think it is going to work out" or something.
Anyone had this experience?
KrustyDawg7
08-14-13, 10:44
Why someone agree to meet for M&G and then they do showup but in middle of the meet, they runaway without saying anything? What do they get?
This happened to me yesterday. College SB verified, nursing student, came for the M&G. She responded my txt (. Everything started or ended with "haha"). May be this is a joke for this college SB in Midlothian / chesterfield area.
SB stayed for 15 mins or less and when I went to get coffee. She just ran. Well, they could just say "I don't think it is going to work out" or something.
Anyone had this experience?Stopping by on this forum as we don't have a similar one on the Roanoke page. I worked the ads on SD4ME for several months, paying the full access fee. I paid by money order since I heard that they wouldn't quit charging a CC once they got the number. So that is the first piece of advise don't use a CC. I met several women both in person and by email / text. Most seem to be amateurs but there are a lot of thieves and scams. Many of the same requests for money pop up right away. They need a greendot to pay their phone bill, or whatever. That's a sure sign to walk away. Some gals will text but they say they can't talk by phone. WTF? It might just be a guy pretending. Always search the photo images on Goog or Tineye, that should be a clue if it's a scam. A couple of gals I met didn't like me (older, fatter) and it was M&G and then "so long". I have since met one nice woman and been dating for several months, but there is a lot of hassle, cash drain, drama and extra effort that goes into the relationship. Not sure I would recommend it to anyone.dawg
Sorry for the rabbits Greg. I've had many flakes and no shows but no runners so far. The young girls I believe aren't mature enough to handle rejection so many they got cold feet when the reality of what they are doing hits them, or you weren't their cup of tea and they couldn't confront you. My suggestion is to be as up front and safe as possible re: pics and descriptions. I know when I meet a Pot who is way heavier than their 10 yr old pics I am pretty turned off and angry. Perhaps you are too good looking and intimidate them.
RE: TG23.
Boston should be a mecca for prospecting. Each area has it's own personality so you have to check the various boards. I have found that SA is by far the best source for HYBs in central / northern Va. SDFM is sparser but there are good catches to be found there as well. Re: CL and BP, I would be very careful. Some members have had good luck there but I think the risk is higher with LE and Pros.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Ok, so I live up in the Boston area and we don't have a Sugarbaby thread on our board so I had not even heard of this until I saw your thread pop up on the USASG home page. Have read quite a bit. And I'm jealous. Or, perhaps I should be hopeful. Hopeful that I can find the same kind of success up here in the Boston area as some of you are finding in VA. Have you heard one way or the other about whether these sites (SugarD or SA or AF or ANYthing) have the same successes up in New England?
Also, despite my trying to find the answers on my own, I can't figure out some of these acronyms. What is a Nando1? Or an FC? Or a Pot?
Thanks for any response. PM is fine if that's what you prefer!
-TG23I just did a search of the Boston area of 18 to 29 yr olds and there were more than 1200. Sign up for SA and do an advanced search re: your specific search characteristics. I think your cup will runneth over with POTs
Review the forum for all the acronyms included herewith.
GeorgeRichmond
08-14-13, 13:18
What are the precautions I should take in car renting, multi-day hotel booking with SD? Also, any of you give guidance on allowance? Let's say 2 day-2night week-end with SB. Do you offer a different allowance for being with you 24x7 for 2 day? I never done over night or over longer time. Have few meets with SB and now planning for longer time.
Also car renting. Heading to different city and will need to rent a car. Thinking about personal info, exposure, etc.
Tips. From pros or experienced is much appreciated. Will report once this trip is done (scheduled in 2 weeks).
Hello bro-mongers, it has been an up and down week for me since my last post. Only one of four POTs didn't flakeout. Here is the story.
The sultry BlakeLively Pot is the only one who panned out. So far. She lives about an hour away and we had planned to meet at 10am at a Starbucks. I call her before I leave in the morning, but it rings and rings then voicemail. I leave a message then text her that I am on my way. She texts back right away and says she is excited to meet. I arrive about 20min early to recon and find a good spot. I text her that I am here. She texts back and says she has car problems, her battery is dead and she is asking neighbors for a jump start. I ask her if it would be easier for me to just come to her place. She says great and texts me the address. I am about 5 minutes away when she calls and asks if I could pick up a Verizon card for her because her phone is almost dead. I say ok. I had already bought her a card and chocolates to give to her, but I opt to give her the card instead. The card and chocolates can be saved for another time. I show up and she greets me with a long hug. She is a few inches taller than me (fine with me) and she smells great. Her place is a studio and she has two cats. The place smelled of cigarettes and it was not in good shape. Closet doors off the hinges and a few fist sized holes in the walls. She apologizes for the look of the place, but I understand since this was not planned. I take off my shoes and use the bathroom, because I drank a lot of soda and to check that no one else was here. The bathroom was nice and it smelled like her. We drink the wine I brought and talk for 3 hours. She laughs at my sarcasm, tells me I am handsome, and touches my arm or hands every once in a while. We are sitting on her bed the whole time and I am trying to get an impression of her instead of making a move. Dumbass me. When I get ready to leave she comes over and hugs then and kisses then french kisses me. We do a lot of heavy petting and tongue wrestling for a while. I would've gone further but I was going to be cutting it close to get to work on time. I pull away and tell her I have to go. I will see her next week as we had discussed. She says there will be a lot more next time then. I fight off the urge to stay and head out. She tells me to text her when I get back to know that I made it safely.
I text her after I get back to work and while she is at work. Off and on throughout the night depending on the pace of work. Everything is going great. I think.
Next day I text and barely get any response from her. She says she slept in late and had thing son her mind. I inquire and she lays out all her troubles and financial woes. I tell her to take it easy and just focus on the most urgent need. She tells me she has no place to live after the month is over. She already owes for this month yet. Her work has been reducing her hours and bla bla bla bla. Then silence for a few hours. She texts back eventually and says her phone is giving her problems texting and calling.
I try calling her today and the phone is no longer in service. I do not know how a Verizon card works with disposable phones so I am just waiting.
In the meantime, I have had 10 more responses and am busy texting and screening them.
Damn. Does it get any easier? I don't want to get older faster.
Take care and have fun.
MoJo
HappyHunter44
08-14-13, 16:06
Why someone agree to meet for M&G and then they do showup but in middle of the meet, they runaway without saying anything? What do they get?
This happened to me yesterday. College SB verified, nursing student, came for the M&G. She responded my txt (. Everything started or ended with "haha"). May be this is a joke for this college SB in Midlothian / chesterfield area.
SB stayed for 15 mins or less and when I went to get coffee. She just ran. Well, they could just say "I don't think it is going to work out" or something.
Anyone had this experience?Wow, you may have just saved me the same thing. I think I know who it is. Been talking to a nursing student in the same area. She has the same attitude at the end of her emails, but uses LOL. Sorry about your experience. However, thanks for reporting it.
Luvinlife1963
08-14-13, 16:54
I met one in Va Beach and she did the exact same thing. We texted a lot and most of it ended with LOL or haha. I went to her house so I'm not sure it was the same girl or not. But it sure sounds like it.
Wow, you may have just saved me the same thing. I think I know who it is. Been talking to a nursing student in the same area. She has the same attitude at the end of her emails, but uses LOL. Sorry about your experience. However, thanks for reporting it.
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