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http://kankakee.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/daddy-cum-fuck-me/435529085301
Hugh scam operating out of a house off 17 on baseline road. Ask to see the $$ at the door, grab out of my hand, then texted and said she was calling the police. This was my only trip to this city. Be careful.
http://kankakee.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/daddy-cum-fuck-me/435529085301
Hugh scam operating out of a house off 17 on baseline road. Ask to see the $$ at the door, grab out of my hand, then texted and said she was calling the police. This was my only trip to this city. Be careful.Anytime someone asking for $ is big time red flag. When that happens. GTFO!!
RationalityLoL
05-08-20, 05:48
http://kankakee.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/daddy-cum-fuck-me/435529085301
Hugh scam operating out of a house off 17 on baseline road. Ask to see the $$ at the door, grab out of my hand, then texted and said she was calling the police. This was my only trip to this city. Be careful.Dude you could do so much worse to her than she did to you. You could get a burner number and snitch to the police on her and have her shit raided. LOL!
Dude you could do so much worse to her than she did to you. You could get a burner number and snitch to the police on her and have her shit raided. LOL!I would drive my car through her door.
What happens is that after you put your money on these gift cards you call her. Then she'll ask for the code number on that gift card. Now she has your money and you never see or hear from her again.I almost fell for that scam about 2 months ago. The "escort" said she would only take a $200 sephora gift card due to the pandemic. At the time it sounded a little reasonable.
Fortunately I didn't get a sephora gift card (I'm a dude, I have no use for that) but insteadI got an Ebay gift card but it was still $200. Once I got to the "hotel" she said she was staying in, she started asking me to scratch off the card and send a picture of the code. That's when I stopped thinking with the little head and asked her for a verification picture of the outside of her room. Of course they started stalling and saying they won't service me if I don't send the code so I left. I'm stuck with an Ebay gift card but I'd rather have the gift card than be out the $200.
I almost fell for that scam about 2 months ago. The "escort" said she would only take a $200 sephora gift card due to the pandemic. At the time it sounded a little reasonable.
Fortunately I didn't get a sephora gift card (I'm a dude, I have no use for that) but insteadI got an Ebay gift card but it was still $200. Once I got to the "hotel" she said she was staying in, she started asking me to scratch off the card and send a picture of the code. That's when I stopped thinking with the little head and asked her for a verification picture of the outside of her room. Of course they started stalling and saying they won't service me if I don't send the code so I left. I'm stuck with an Ebay gift card but I'd rather have the gift card than be out the $200.Some currency exchanges can cash out gift cards. Check around to find one.
If a provider doesn't accept cash as payment avoid her and move on. And never ever pay upfront before you start the session. She insists on payment upfront just walk out.
Some currency exchanges can cash out gift cards. Check around to find one.
If a provider doesn't accept cash as payment avoid her and move on. And never ever pay upfront before you start the session. She insists on payment upfront just walk out.The are a few online sites that provide that service as well, card cash. Com for example. You may lose 10% or so but better than nothing. Even if you tried to sell the cards on eBay you would be hit with high seller and PayPal feels that may be closer to 20%.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/body-rubs/1740649
Taylor sure looks hot! No reviews, but she has multiple ads with the same number (ending in xx83), and I feel more comfortable trying a new massage provider in these situations. It's not that big of a deal, but she definitely wasted my evening.
We talked via text on Thursday and she agreed to meet Friday after 5:30 pm but she wouldn't give me an exact time or cross-streets to gauge travel time. She kept saying "Yes, that's perfect! So I kept communicating with her. By 9:00 pm, I realized she had ghosted and wasted my time. Maybe YMMV but sharing info helps everyone here.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/body-rubs/1740649
Taylor sure looks hot! No reviews, but she has multiple ads with the same number (ending in xx83), and I feel more comfortable trying a new massage provider in these situations. It's not that big of a deal, but she definitely wasted my evening.
We talked via text on Thursday and she agreed to meet Friday after 5:30 pm but she wouldn't give me an exact time or cross-streets to gauge travel time. She kept saying "Yes, that's perfect! So I kept communicating with her. By 9:00 pm, I realized she had ghosted and wasted my time. Maybe YMMV but sharing info helps everyone here.Chick in the first pic is an instagram model.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/body-rubs/1740649
Taylor sure looks hot! No reviews, but she has multiple ads with the same number (ending in xx83), and I feel more comfortable trying a new massage provider in these situations. It's not that big of a deal, but she definitely wasted my evening.
We talked via text on Thursday and she agreed to meet Friday after 5:30 pm but she wouldn't give me an exact time or cross-streets to gauge travel time. She kept saying "Yes, that's perfect! So I kept communicating with her. By 9:00 pm, I realized she had ghosted and wasted my time. Maybe YMMV but sharing info helps everyone here.Well will you newbs learn??
StanleyStankas
06-02-20, 07:26
From an old horny fossil like myself, however I have been offline for awhile, well online but not on a computer to see this stuff properly so I started reading this thread. Please, please, please (that's three pleases), newbies, wannabes, also rans, 30 watt successes take this advice to heart! And more importantly use it! The guys on this site offering their advise have lived through most all of these scams and rip offs! They give for the sake of giving so that we all can get exactly what we paid for and not some bs that these women and their bf's, pimps, lowlife scumbag hanger oners spew out and expect us to fall for! I for one thank each and very dude on here that is helping us all! Stosh. Out with peace, safety and health to all of the fellaz out there!
From an old horny fossil like myself, however I have been offline for awhile, well online but not on a computer to see this stuff properly so I started reading this thread. Please, please, please (that's three pleases), newbies, wannabes, also rans, 30 watt successes take this advice to heart! And more importantly use it! The guys on this site offering their advise have lived through most all of these scams and rip offs! They give for the sake of giving so that we all can get exactly what we paid for and not some bs that these women and their bf's, pimps, lowlife scumbag hanger oners spew out and expect us to fall for! I for one thank each and very dude on here that is helping us all! Stosh. Out with peace, safety and health to all of the fellaz out there!Some have to get ripped off themselves to learn their lesson, despite what us older guys tell the new guys. My one piece of advice is to never pay a girl upfront before you start playtime. If she wants money upfront just walk away. Some guys on this board threw me under the bus for saying this. I'm not sure exactly why. I guess giving sound advice to some is some how insulting.
Veteran2019
07-10-20, 13:43
Had the worst experience of my life! Erika or Erika Belladona had me over for an incall. When I came in, she was very nice and asked for the donation. Then, after a few minutes of chatting and no service, she went into the bathroom and locked the door. After 10-15 minutes of waiting, I knocked on the bathroom door and she said she was calling the police to say that I violated her if I didn't leave. She of course had the money and I couldn't do anything about it. I thought about making a scene but she asked for a picture of my face earlier on so I was scared of the repercussions.
Please, everyone, stay away from Erika in Chicago. She does incall's out of a hotel in the South Loop, mid 20's, Mexican (has a strong Mexican accent), blonde hair, 5'4, light skinned, and skinny. I think she tours in other states and possibly Florida / New York as her number is 786. That's not her in the picture but very similar hair and body.
Her ad is https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/3424888.htm?cat=1.
StanleyStankas
07-10-20, 16:34
Had the worst experience of my life! Erika or Erika Belladona had me over for an incall. When I came in, she was very nice and asked for the donation. Then, after a few minutes of chatting and no service, she went into the bathroom and locked the door. After 10-15 minutes of waiting, I knocked on the bathroom door and she said she was calling the police to say that I violated her if I didn't leave. She of course had the money and I couldn't do anything about it. I thought about making a scene but she asked for a picture of my face earlier on so I was scared of the repercussions.
Please, everyone, stay away from Erika in Chicago. She does incall's out of a hotel in the South Loop, mid 20's, Mexican (has a strong Mexican accent), blonde hair, 5'4, light skinned, and skinny. I think she tours in other states and possibly Florida / New York as her number is 786. That's not her in the picture but very similar hair and body.
Her ad is https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/3424888.htm?cat=1.She is playing the wrong game imo. You personally did the right thing and just left. There are some crazy people on both sides of this business and sometimes threats can be countered with violence. That one pro I knew as a "friend" was personally involved in an attack. She would only give me a few details. Now she was completely legit and offered a GFE and was all the way professional. However, one of her tricks physically attacked here at a session. I won't go into details, however when I went to pick her up for actually a real date something she previously told me and I witnessed myself was that she only kept a very dull knife around. She had no other knifes for food other than that one. This woman that is reported here is really going to have problems if she keeps up this behavior. Too bad because generally speaking eros is pretty good about legitimacy. Anyway thank you for reporting this.
FirstTimer7
07-10-20, 19:22
Had the worst experience of my life! Erika or Erika Belladona had me over for an incall. When I came in, she was very nice and asked for the donation. Then, after a few minutes of chatting and no service, she went into the bathroom and locked the door. After 10-15 minutes of waiting, I knocked on the bathroom door and she said she was calling the police to say that I violated her if I didn't leave. She of course had the money and I couldn't do anything about it. I thought about making a scene but she asked for a picture of my face earlier on so I was scared of the repercussions.
Please, everyone, stay away from Erika in Chicago. She does incall's out of a hotel in the South Loop, mid 20's, Mexican (has a strong Mexican accent), blonde hair, 5'4, light skinned, and skinny. I think she tours in other states and possibly Florida / New York as her number is 786. That's not her in the picture but very similar hair and body.
Her ad is https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/3424888.htm?cat=1.Having a blank listing is already a red flag. You should report her on eros.
StanleyStankas
07-10-20, 21:12
Having a blank listing is already a red flag. You should report her on eros.And would encourage that as well. Like I say generally speaking I believe eros tends to be legit compared to many that are out there. I know ter was great for reviews, however many good sites did go south in our current environment.
LongDStyle
07-23-20, 11:12
Not sure if she's been reported on in here but I saw her earlier last year a few weeks after she started posting. Came to my apartment which isn't in the best area. She asked me if I was alone, not on the phone but after she gets there in my lobby which kind of seemed red flagish. Things get started and she says she isn't full service, so it turned into an above average in damage BBBJ. Took me the entire time plus a few moments extra to finish as I expected and donated for FS. Her ride / pimp was blowing her phone up barely 5 minutes into session which made me think she was originally going to do some sort of cash and dash. But since I lived in an apartment and had a roommate home at the the time in the other room, she felt she had to perform. She kept making excuses and telling him she was on the way down. Every time I see her add she never mentions she isn't FS. I've also noticed she gets bad reviews and takes them down. She no longer sees AA even tho she only is in majority AA areas which is bizarre as well. If you want just an expensive BJ go for it. But beware. I’m not noticing she posting again.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/52753859/
StanleyStankas
07-23-20, 12:33
Not sure if she's been reported on in here but I saw her earlier last year a few weeks after she started posting. Came to my apartment which isn't in the best area. She asked me if I was alone, not on the phone but after she gets there in my lobby which kind of seemed red flagish. Things get started and she says she isn't full service, so it turned into an above average in damage BBBJ. Took me the entire time plus a few moments extra to finish as I expected and donated for FS. Her ride / pimp was blowing her phone up barely 5 minutes into session which made me think she was originally going to do some sort of cash and dash. But since I lived in an apartment and had a roommate home at the the time in the other room, she felt she had to perform. She kept making excuses and telling him she was on the way down. Every time I see her add she never mentions she isn't FS. I've also noticed she gets bad reviews and takes them down. She no longer sees AA even tho she only is in majority AA areas which is bizarre as well. If you want just an expensive BJ go for it. But beware. Im not noticing she posting again.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/52753859/Your instincts were spot on. Curious as to what you said when she was in the lobby about being alone. I am sure she felt the roommate in the other room and the original plan with her scumbag human garbage "friend" was to either cash and dash or he was going to get inside with her assistance somehow and start ranting and raving about some bs that he is her bf and caught you two together all of this after she had cash in hand. So yea, I am glad you got at least some service out of her as imo you were lucky to get even that. It was a set up that went bad after she realized someone else was in the apartment. Also since your area was sketchy as you indeed mentioned she thought she could get away with this bs and none would be the wiser. I for one thank you very much for bringing it up. So if anything comes out of this in a positive you have taken the time to alert the rest of us about this c**t. Hopefully this b*tch and her dumba** bf see this! Stosh. Play, however do it safely all. When in doubt do without! Please!
Here is another one requesting a deposit.
AVOID.
https://harlothub.com/united-states/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/224-310-3179-2588047.html
Here is another one requesting a deposit.
AVOID.
https://harlothub.com/united-states/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/224-310-3179-2588047.htmlWell those pics are of Amber Hahn, a pretty well known cam girl and amateur porn star. She's definitely not an escort though and she's definitely not from around Chicago. So yep, probably should avoid this one.
StanleyStankas
07-23-20, 14:03
Well those pics are of Amber Hahn, a pretty well known cam girl and amateur porn star. She's definitely not an escort though and she's definitely not from around Chicago. So yep, probably should avoid this one.And don't be as dumb as I was by trying to help a cam girl by telling her that her pix, images, bio were stolen. It just doesn't work, it won't get you free time nor laid! I have to smell my burning flesh on the oven to confirm yes indeed the oven is hot! Yep that stupid! No good deed goes unpunished! Stosh.
And don't be as dumb as I was by trying to help a cam girl by telling her that her pix, images, bio were stolen. It just doesn't work, it won't get you free time nor laid! I have to smell my burning flesh on the oven to confirm yes indeed the oven is hot! Yep that stupid! No good deed goes unpunished! Stosh.That did work out for me once, several years ago. I saw a post on Craigslist with pics of a then-well-known escort with someone asking if anyone knew who she was, yadda yadda. I figured obvious creepy stalker, so I sent her an email to let her know. She ended up inviting me over to go full BBFSCIP MSOG for free. One of the hottest fucks of my life. (She's long out of the biz and I don't think was known for this particular "service", so not posting her name publicly.).
SleepOdyssey
07-26-20, 00:51
Had the worst experience of my life! Erika or Erika Belladona had me over for an incall. When I came in, she was very nice and asked for the donation. Then, after a few minutes of chatting and no service, she went into the bathroom and locked the door. After 10-15 minutes of waiting, I knocked on the bathroom door and she said she was calling the police to say that I violated her if I didn't leave. She of course had the money and I couldn't do anything about it. I thought about making a scene but she asked for a picture of my face earlier on so I was scared of the repercussions.
Please, everyone, stay away from Erika in Chicago. She does incall's out of a hotel in the South Loop, mid 20's, Mexican (has a strong Mexican accent), blonde hair, 5'4, light skinned, and skinny. I think she tours in other states and possibly Florida / New York as her number is 786. That's not her in the picture but very similar hair and body.
Her ad is https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/3424888.htm?cat=1.I wonder if the ladies that do this do it with every single client they meet or are selective somehow maybe based on looks or something? This kind of thing is probably not as common as it is with ladies on sketchier sites or on the street, but I could be wrong. It just makes me wonder. It's just another example that you shouldn't trust the VIP or "verified" ads and should still be on your toes.
People like this are setting themselves up for something very volatile if they ever meet the wrong type of person.
StanleyStankas
07-26-20, 18:21
That did work out for me once, several years ago. I saw a post on Craigslist with pics of a then-well-known escort with someone asking if anyone knew who she was, yadda yadda. I figured obvious creepy stalker, so I sent her an email to let her know. She ended up inviting me over to go full BBFSCIP MSOG for free. One of the hottest fucks of my life. (She's long out of the biz and I don't think was known for this particular "service", so not posting her name publicly.).What this was was this really hot young petite spinner blonde and I forget now where it was posted. Might have been lc as this had been a few years now. She was insistent that she did not know what I was talking about, meaning it just didn't register so she was not calling me an a**h**e or anything, however it was frustrating as I was trying to explain to her that her images, ad, et al were hijacked by someone probably a bait and switch scene and that she might be concerned. Nope! Not even close! So yea your situation worked out and I am sure that this provider you mentioned really appreciated you (obviously she really did!) as that post really leaned towards stalking. The pro I knew had issues with that and some dudes were very persistent meaning they hired private investigators and they also harassed her and her real family. So yea once again I will state what was told to me by cpd and caps and all of the sucker freebie volunteering I did down in the west loop. Once in the life and maintaining oneself in the life they will literally do anything to protect their real identity, not get locked up or not be physically beat up. Which goes back to another great post on here. Some of these providers that do these cash and dashes or start freaking out about calling LEO are going to hook up with the wrong hobbyist one day and it's all going to go very bad real quick. People can wind up dead for less. All imo stosh. It's hot out boyz! Watch your 6 on the streets of chi! Be well all. Play and play safe please!
JohnGalt365
07-27-20, 22:14
I understand not wanting any trouble especially if this was your home, but no way should you have let her leave with $400. I'm not advocating violence, that would be her choice, but one way or another the money stays. The lesson I guess is not to invite scumbags that you've never met before into your home. And if you're throwing around that kind of money for a piece of ass do some research on the provider.I'm thinking of throwing around that kind of money and am doing exactly the research you suggest at this moment with her and that's why I am reading it. Of course it's TGTBT but God damn have I had bad luck on this Chicago scene. No ripoffs or robberies but dead end after dead end for a month. Can anyone suggest something good looking and outcall for the love of God? I've got ya back in Ohio I promise.
I'm thinking of throwing around that kind of money and am doing exactly the research you suggest at this moment with her and that's why I am reading it. Of course it's TGTBT but God damn have I had bad luck on this Chicago scene. No ripoffs or robberies but dead end after dead end for a month. Can anyone suggest something good looking and outcall for the love of God? I've got ya back in Ohio I promiseIn light of what's currently going on girls are probably seeing their regs.
FirstTimer7
07-28-20, 01:22
And don't be as dumb as I was by trying to help a cam girl by telling her that her pix, images, bio were stolen. It just doesn't work, it won't get you free time nor laid! I have to smell my burning flesh on the oven to confirm yes indeed the oven is hot! Yep that stupid! No good deed goes unpunished! Stosh.You might not get anything in return but you might help remove the imposter's post. Not sure how escort site reporting works but if they post on social media like twitter, if the cam girl / escort is well known, there will be plenty of white knights that will help report the account.
LongDStyle
07-28-20, 12:25
Not sure about you all but I find it suspicious when a provider that does outcalls asks what town or neighborhood I live in. I tell them the exact one, not the next one over or nearby. That's one of the first things often asked before age, race, law enforcement affiliation, etc.
So why after we discuss service and donation and the ask for the address they sometimes either go silent, don't show up, or I've had them tell me that I'm too far. To tell me I'm too far after I already said what small town I'm in is strange. If it takes 45 minutes to get to me then most likely anywhere in my town is 40-50 minutes from you. This is why I don't give my exact address ever. I haven't had any problems but I wonder with some ads are they a set up. They know you have cash, at least a couple hundred and now have your address.
FirstTimer7
07-28-20, 20:56
Not sure about you all but I find it suspicious when a provider that does outcalls asks what town or neighborhood I live in. I tell them the exact one, not the next one over or nearby. That's one of the first things often asked before age, race, law enforcement affiliation, etc.
So why after we discuss service and donation and the ask for the address they sometimes either go silent, don't show up, or I've had them tell me that I'm too far. To tell me I'm too far after I already said what small town I'm in is strange. If it takes 45 minutes to get to me then most likely anywhere in my town is 40-50 minutes from you. This is why I don't give my exact address ever. I haven't had any problems but I wonder with some ads are they a set up. They know you have cash, at least a couple hundred and now have your address.I don't know about them but if it's a shady area or an area theY are unfamiliar with, then I'll be skeptical too, especially since it a small town, they can't find enough research. Or if they know someone in that town or within the area. Telling you that you are too far is just an excuse.
LongDStyle
08-05-20, 16:09
Agreed to outcall, gave nearby address. Originally said it would take 20 minutes, that turned into an hour. First red flag, when she claimed she arrived I go outside and it's a SUV with 3 brown skin guys in it. They had been circling a few minutes prior I noticed. I stopped responding. Never saw her pull up or saw her in the car. Too many guys anyway. The house I directed them to is empty so I know they weren't visiting someone else. Play safe guys.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/53041162/
LongDStyle
08-20-20, 18:01
I know it's been said repeatedly but never send deposits or money upfront. Saw this on CL and figured I share here. Looks like the author of it must have sent before seeing.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/res/d/thief-you-have-been-warned/7181046063.html
George Stark
11-12-20, 20:06
This witch had good comments once upon a time, but it turns out that was 8 phone numbers ago. She's way too tweaked out to do anything, won't start, then won't finish, just wants to argue, plus she "hosts" on a sofa in the living room of a place where there's lots of other people, with whom she has running discussions while not taking care of business. Also kept saying "You look just like him" without saying who. Totally weird shit.
I knew she'd been using multiple numbers, but I counted it up and it's at least 8 or 9 since September. I wish I'd done that before.
Since she changes phone number so often, here's some pics. She uses some heavy filters, she doesn't look as good as these pics, plus, she's really scrawny with a belly. Pregnant or too much shitty living, I got no idea.
From this https://chicago.rubratings.com/151189.
Ad description in case it gets taken down and you need to search for it.
RELAX and REVIVE! Experience erotic massage with an exotic beauty! YES these are my real pictures or your massage is FREE!
Total relaxation and sensuous pampering awaits. Enjoy unrushed stimulating rejuvenation with a fun, sexy, open minded beauty.
Great atmosphere totally discreet and private upscale INCALL & Outcall Jacuzzi, Shower, or Hot Towel treatment available.
Same day appointments preferred. OUTCALL to your location with advance notice.
Rates are by the hour.
Call Stacy.
It's a man pretending to be a woman with an elaborate bait and switch. Also will try and threaten you if you attempt to leave. There is also a camera set up in the living room.
Terrible visit! The worst that I have had in a long time!
1) She says that she doesn't do quick visit but decides to see me for. 7 She asked a million questions in text before before the visit. I should have followed my first mind and canceled.
2) Now she does looks like her pictures, but she looked like she just woke up when I get in the room. Also, the cat had so hair stuble on it that it felt like sandpaper.
3) I asked to use the restroom but she says that her "sister" is in there. I tell her that that's ok but she won't let me in there. I'm guessing that a dude was in there.
4) The review on the other site stated that she does a BBBJ. This is not true. She starts off with a half hearted CBJ but it so bad that I only get up to half mass.
5) She stops after a couple on minutes so I try to get some cowgirl action. She tells me that she doesn't do that and turns around for doggy. The smell was so bad that it took away the half mass that did manage to get up.
6) She gives me a another weak CBJ for a few minutes. I asked her to finish this way and she tell me no that she doesn't do that even in the bag and states that I was lucky that she even saw me for. 7.
7) I give up and get dressed. She hands the person in the bathroom the money, show me to the door, and tells me to be safe.
Total waste of time and money! Stay away!
https://yolo.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/55846550/
Terrible visit! The worst that I have had in a long time!
1) She says that she doesn't do quick visit but decides to see me for. 7 She asked a million questions in text before before the visit. I should have followed my first mind and canceled.
2) Now she does looks like her pictures, but she looked like she just woke up when I get in the room. Also, the cat had so hair stuble on it that it felt like sandpaper.
3) I asked to use the restroom but she says that her "sister" is in there. I tell her that that's ok but she won't let me in there. I'm guessing that a dude was in there.
4) The review on the other site stated that she does a BBBJ. This is not true. She starts off with a half hearted CBJ but it so bad that I only get up to half mass.
5) She stops after a couple on minutes so I try to get some cowgirl action. She tells me that she doesn't do that and turns around for doggy. The smell was so bad that it took away the half mass that did manage to get up.
6) She gives me a another weak CBJ for a few minutes. I asked her to finish this way and she tell me no that she doesn't do that even in the bag and states that I was lucky that she even saw me for. 7.
7) I give up and get dressed. She hands the person in the bathroom the money, show me to the door, and tells me to be safe.
Total waste of time and money! Stay away!
https://yolo.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/55846550/This is the second negative review for her. There was one a few weeks ago in the Escort Reports thread. Sorry you had to go through that bs.
Al Melrose
12-08-20, 16:30
This is the second negative review for her. There was one a few weeks ago in the Escort Reports thread. Sorry you had to go through that bs.This is just a copy of a report in the South Suburbs.
This is just a copy of a report in the South Suburbs.True, they did suggest that I move the report here but that other site actually let a bad comment go through from another hobbiest.
Her ads say island party girl or something similar. Location on the Westside, near Oak park.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/57260658/
She'll bring you into a room, and stall for a moment until a dude comes in, she runs out, the guy wants additional $ to let you out.
LongDStyle
12-31-20, 03:59
Arranged to meet earlier, don't know how I missed the second review. I usually don't expect girls to use real or current pics most of the time. If they do use their own pics they are filtered, old, have a flattering angle, are photoshopped or cover the face or something they don't want you to see. I see reviews all the time saying the poster isn't the girl in the pics but the poster will still be an attractive girl that in the same age range and ethnicity. I took a gamble this time and it was a fools errand. She got to the hotel I arranged to meet in lobby. I didn't tell her what I had on or my appearance, I just kept walking. Dodged a bullet.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/57282398/
Call Me Slappy
01-01-21, 15:45
But I don't think you'll be meeting Brandi Love by answering this ad.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/208274
And if you actually do, you lucky bastard!
But I don't think you'll be meeting Brandi Love by answering this ad.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/208274
And if you actually do, you lucky bastard!I wonder how many guys will give it a shot anyway LOL.
Arranged to meet earlier, don't know how I missed the second review. I usually don't expect girls to use real or current pics most of the time. If they do use their own pics they are filtered, old, have a flattering angle, are photoshopped or cover the face or something they don't want you to see. I see reviews all the time saying the poster isn't the girl in the pics but the poster will still be an attractive girl that in the same age range and ethnicity. I took a gamble this time and it was a fools errand. She got to the hotel I arranged to meet in lobby. I didn't tell her what I had on or my appearance, I just kept walking. Dodged a bullet.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/57282398/Come on man look at those pics.
ReadyForRub
01-02-21, 17:22
Arranged to meet earlier, don't know how I missed the second review. I usually don't expect girls to use real or current pics most of the time. If they do use their own pics they are filtered, old, have a flattering angle, are photoshopped or cover the face or something they don't want you to see. I see reviews all the time saying the poster isn't the girl in the pics but the poster will still be an attractive girl that in the same age range and ethnicity. I took a gamble this time and it was a fools errand. She got to the hotel I arranged to meet in lobby. I didn't tell her what I had on or my appearance, I just kept walking. Dodged a bullet.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/57282398/When she walked by, did the floor vibrate, or crack?
George Stark
01-12-21, 20:55
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/3173005186/1
Phone number in URL.
Never answers any texts. Doesn't answer phone, but you get back a text *immediately* - like before you even hang up!
Text is: "Hey I'm star qv100 hh200 hr300 bare is for hour sessions only INcalls / outcalls".
But any further texts still receive no response.
It's a damn shame, I'd *love* to get with the girl in those pics!
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/3173005186/1
Phone number in URL.
Never answers any texts. Doesn't answer phone, but you get back a text *immediately* - like before you even hang up!
I just posted this in another thread as well, but when someone lists Chicago as their destination, I tend to think fake. This is a big city. The providers who are outcall but will cover a lot of ground tend to list a lot of neighbourhoods but the incall are always specific (either intersections or parts of the city or specific neighbourhoods). But maybe I'm missing something.
https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/have-you-been-a-bad-boy/36447990. She goes by Sandra and the listed number is 312-XXX-0000.
Same person in the pics but looks much more dishevelled and works out of a very messy basement. Will take money then proceed to act like she will begin agreed upon services before proclaiming she has to go before providing any service. When asked for refund she retorts that if I didn't leave she would have someone come down to harm me. After some back and forth she calls down some dude from the ground floor and before he fully makes his way down I left.
Unfortunate situation but hopefully this post will help prevent others from falling prey to such practices. I have another provider I will post about shortly in a proceeding post.
Had a dream that https://callescort.org/773-225-7565 is the ad and the number in the ad is 773-XXX-7565.
Agreed to services in car near providers house. Just shortly after beginning to initiate services gets call from "her roommate" says that her food she ordered arrived and that she was the only one who could pay for the food as the order was associated with her card. Left the car and never came back. Responded 40 minutes later after I was already home to "hurry up and come back outside because its cold and she cannot wait outside for a longtime" I suspect her "roommate" is in on this trick and calls her shortly after she leaves as an excuse for her to leave.
George Stark
01-15-21, 02:05
Missy. From zero to b_i_t_c_h in nothing flat.
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/7737463172/1
Missy is featured in the BBFS thread. And, Yes, I know she has good reviews.
She's in an apartment building near Laramie and Cermak. She has me come around the back to avoid "nosey neighbors".
We negotiate, we start. Everything is going swimmingly. She's a great kisser, she was smiling, and she is super responsive to a finger on her clit.
Then Chrissy knocks on the door, Missy steps out, comes back in and says she'll give me back $40, but we're going to have to have a shorter session, because "the maintenance guy is coming in, he's always trying to see what I'm up to". The mood is goes sour. She starts giving me a BBBJ, but toothy. It's not doing the job because I'm too pissed off. After a while she hands me $20 saying "I'm keeping $20 because I did bare". I said fuck you, you do bare with everyone, it's in all yr reviews. She makes some snotty comment. I leave.
In retrospect, I think it makes no sense that the maintenance guy was insisting on coming in, but we still had another 15 minutes, but not another 45 minutes. I think Chrissy took a call from someone who was going to spend a lot more money on them than I was. That's why this is in the Ripoff thread.
Have been talking to her for over a month and thought I would give her the benefit of the doubt though she was in way out in dekalb.
She said she recently had a baby and is working hard to make ends meet.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/57758283/
Got to location and noticed she's in an apartment building on Ridge Cir.
Also noticed that its a downtrodden low income housing building based on the tenants in the lobby.
She keeps me waiting for more than 15 mins and I should have turned around then. Finally go to a messy room in the basement 022 and am welcomed by the girl in the pic but she has no teeth at all.
However what is under the clothes looks nice to play with and obviously am not thinking with the right head and see the flush in the toilet doesn't work either.
I did change my mind to settle on a qv instead of the hh I originally intended to.
We get started after taking care of the donation. Everything is going swimmingly till when she says she won't take her bra off as her tits are sore. She gives a lame head job which doesn't get me hard at all. Then my fingers start roaming south and she says her clit is sore. Puss was clean and it was warm inside. She wants me to do it with a limp dick and I ask her to go down on me again but she refuses. At that point I loose all interest and realize where this is going as she doesn't want to work for it.
I think these girls know how big a turn off and makes one go limp when you get a guy pissed off. That's why this is in the Ripoff thread.
George Stark
01-17-21, 18:47
I remember when this was a slow-moving thread. Shit's getting real.
Separately, please consider downloading and uploading pics from the link (if any) for your victimizer. (I haven't always done this, will in the future.) Individual posts at various sites are short lived, the links often go dead in a hurry. Thanks.
LongDStyle
01-19-21, 07:50
Had a dream that https://callescort.org/773-225-7565 is the ad and the number in the ad is 773-XXX-7565.
Agreed to services in car near providers house. Just shortly after beginning to initiate services gets call from "her roommate" says that her food she ordered arrived and that she was the only one who could pay for the food as the order was associated with her card. Left the car and never came back. Responded 40 minutes later after I was already home to "hurry up and come back outside because its cold and she cannot wait outside for a longtime" I suspect her "roommate" is in on this trick and calls her shortly after she leaves as an excuse for her to leave.She's been reviewed here before. Me and another monger here saw her (separately) although the encounters were a few years ago it seems things usually don't change with these types. I was actually wondering about her since I see her post from time to time. Surprised she hasn't came across the wrong person by now or changed her ways. I'm wondering if her roommate is her friend / pimp from some years ago.
LongDStyle
01-19-21, 07:56
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/3173005186/1
Phone number in URL.
Never answers any texts. Doesn't answer phone, but you get back a text *immediately* - like before you even hang up!
Text is: "Hey I'm star qv100 hh200 hr300 bare is for hour sessions only INcalls / outcalls".
But any further texts still receive no response.
It's a damn shame, I'd *love* to get with the girl in those pics!I saw her year before last in an outcall in the city. The person in those pics is real, as in a real local provider that I didn't have a bad encounter with.
George Stark
01-19-21, 23:33
I saw her year before last in an outcall in the city. The person in those pics is real, as in a real local provider that I didn't have a bad encounter with.Thanks for this.
Do you know if her number then was 3173005186?
One of the comments on LC was: "Why Is she always changing hey number? ", so I guess the odds are against that.
After reviewing my texts, it's possible I jumped the gun and she's not a bot, just very quick with one canned response (possibly an auto-reply?) which was repeated, and very slow with other responses, one of which I slept through. She actually did respond to one text, after all, said she was in Hammond.
Maybe I'll give that another shot, see if I can get a verification pic out of her after all.
LongDStyle
01-20-21, 11:33
Thanks for this.
Do you know if her number then was 3173005186?
One of the comments on LC was: "Why Is she always changing hey number? ", so I guess the odds are against that.
After reviewing my texts, it's possible I jumped the gun and she's not a bot, just very quick with one canned response (possibly an auto-reply?) which was repeated, and very slow with other responses, one of which I slept through. She actually did respond to one text, after all, said she was in Hammond.
Maybe I'll give that another shot, see if I can get a verification pic out of her after all.That might be the number it was either that or a 773 number. At the time I saw her she had 2 separate ads with different numbers. Same pics on both and she would usually post them on the same day maybe a few minutes up to an hour apart. She has a South Asian look to her. I had bare service with her but she didn't tell me until we got ready that I had to pull out. Her donation was just a tad above my normal comfort zone. Other than that I had no complaints at all. She rode me a little unenthusiastic and there was no facial kissing. If I didn't have to pull out I'd see her again but I don't think she did bare often at all. I think I only got it because it was at least my 3rd attempt from a different number making the request so it might've just been the right circumstances that led to it. So YMMV with her.
George Stark
01-20-21, 14:00
That might be the number it was either that or a 773 number. At the time I saw her she had 2 separate ads with different numbers. Same pics on both and she would usually post them on the same day maybe a few minutes up to an hour apart.
I've seen others do that. Never quite saw the point, but whatever.
I had bare service with her but she didn't tell me until we got ready that I had to pull out. Her donation was just a tad above my normal comfort zone. Other than that I had no complaints at all. She rode me a little unenthusiastic and there was no facial kissing. If I didn't have to pull out I'd see her again but I don't think she did bare often at all. I think I only got it because it was at least my 3rd attempt from a different number making the request so it might've just been the right circumstances that led to it. So YMMV with her.Well, she's actually volunteering bare in her auto-reply, so apparently that loosened up a bit. But no kissing at that price would be a deal-breaker to me.
Guess I'm just going to have to re-contact and see what's really up.
Pulling out isn't a problem for me, I feel about that the same as about swallowing: once that shit is out of me, I don't care where it ends up. In fact, I think I'd rather pull out of BBFS: imagine one of these witches as the mother of your child?
McLovin3232
02-07-21, 12:19
Obviously not the girl in the picture and money demanded if you try to leave. Same story as other post I wish I'd read before going. Had to leave $100 to get out.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/205369
Obviously not the girl in the picture and money demanded if you try to leave. Same story as other post I wish I'd read before going. Had to leave $100 to get out.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/205369What do you mean "had to leave"? Did someone strongarm you or blackmail you?
McLovin3232
02-08-21, 20:44
What do you mean "had to leave"? Did someone strongarm you or blackmail you?Pretty much. Short story, don't visit.
George Stark
02-13-21, 23:17
Missy and Chrissy. Different day, same shit.
So another bad review on them in LC, (after mine), from 1/28, so it doesn't look like the guy will post it here.
Similar deal to my experience: everything is going swimmingly, but shortly after start, there's a bullshit excuse and the session is over.
https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7737463172
Phone number in URL.
Images: 1) overview, 1/11 is me. 2 - 5: 1/28 review.
Missy and Chrissy. Different day, same shit.
So another bad review on them in LC, (after mine), from 1/28, so it doesn't look like the guy will post it here.
Similar deal to my experience: everything is going swimmingly, but shortly after start, there's a bullshit excuse and the session is over.
https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7737463172
Phone number in URL.
Images: 1) overview, 1/11 is me. 2 - 5: 1/28 review.That's a shame, I've read a lot of good stuff about them up to now. Of course, now Listcrawler will delete the negative review and ban you, like they always do, the scumbags.
Missy and Chrissy. Different day, same shit.
So another bad review on them in LC, (after mine), from 1/28, so it doesn't look like the guy will post it here.
Similar deal to my experience: everything is going swimmingly, but shortly after start, there's a bullshit excuse and the session is over.
https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7737463172
Phone number in URL.
Images: 1) overview, 1/11 is me. 2 - 5: 1/28 review.Why not write it as a comment as well so more people see it on that site?
George Stark
02-14-21, 16:35
That's a shame, I've read a lot of good stuff about them up to now. Of course, now Listcrawler will delete the negative review and ban you, like they always do, the scumbags.They're great until they aren't. Not worth the risk and money. Fuck those biatches. The guy who posted the review on 1/28 paid $320 and got 20 minutes! $960 per hour. Fuck that noise!
I put my neg up on 1/11 and I haven't gotten banned yet. I'm not sure all the girls know to check their reviews or to flag them for deletion.
Plus it's easy enough to make a new account, I've been through a bunch of them!
George Stark
02-14-21, 16:38
Why not write it as a comment as well so more people see it on that site?I probably tried that. I know I have with other biatches. It seems to have become more difficult to get negative comments to show up on EB.
George Stark
02-17-21, 02:44
AMIRROR. AVOID! DANGEROUSLY CRAZY.
This biatch, avoid!
As I said in only a slightly different context: " Any one of these girls can go full retard at any time".
This one did. First visit was ok. She seemed a little tightly wound, that's a red flag boys. I should have written her off then, but texting afterwards she seemed utterly, totally cool with everything.
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/7085604946/1
https://sumosear.ch/phone/708-560-4946
Phone number in URLs.
I went to see her at a hotel last night. Even though I was later than I said I'd be, she was just getting situated in her room.
She commented that she didn't like me seeing where she put everything.
When I checked to see that the equivalent of the door chain was on she said "NO that stays unlatched so that if somebody needs to come in to save me from you they can kick the fucker down". I now realize that I should have left at that point.
Then she wanted to tell me about her day, which sucked. I let her.
All this took half hour or more, probably significantly more. She was naked from the waist down so I was just enjoying the view.
Then we started, and things seemed to be OK. Then 15 minutes into the session she says "your times nearly up". I say "We just started" she says "hey you had my companionship, I don't have to be having sex the whole hour", I said "Yes you do, that's what I paid you for".
She had previously said she'd do the same stuff for the same money. But it didn't work out that way. Trying to point that out to her was worthless. In fact, saying anything to her was worthless. Any disagreement with anything she said just made her crazier.
She starts shouting. In a hotel room. Also calling some body (or pretending to) to tell them all the bad stuff I'm doing (which I wasn't) I put my clothes on and leave. This ***** follows me down the hall naked to the elevator, , continuing to to talk loudly. She looked like she wanted to get in the elevator, with me I dissuaded her from that. Elevator opens in the lobby, there she is still naked, talking about how she's got the call records, how it's all on surveillance, all kinds of crazy shit. She may have mentioned the police, she also said something at some point about how I shouldn't try and report her for prostitution. It was completely crazy.
Stay away from this one. Any time a chick acts in the least bit odd, or oversensitive, or easily angered, it's time to get out of dodge and *not* go back.
This shit didn't used to be this hard. But there were some red flags.
Hobby Lover
02-17-21, 13:20
I would have shit my pants.
Thanks for the warning. I avoid young providers for this reason. You just don't know what you will get. Sorry you went through that.
AMIRROR. AVOID! DANGEROUSLY CRAZY.
This biatch, avoid!
As I said in only a slightly different context: " Any one of these girls can go full retard at any time".
This one did. First visit was ok. She seemed a little tightly wound, that's a red flag boys. I should have written her off then, but texting afterwards she seemed utterly, totally cool with everything.
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/7085604946/1
https://sumosear.ch/phone/708-560-4946
Phone number in URLs.
I went to see her at a hotel last night. Even though I was later than I said I'd be, she was just getting situated in her room.
She commented that she didn't like me seeing where she put everything.
When I checked to see that the equivalent of the door chain was on she said "NO that stays unlatched so that if somebody needs to come in to save me from you they can kick the fucker down". I now realize that I should have left at that point.
Then she wanted to tell me about her day, which sucked. I let her.
All this took half hour or more, probably significantly more. She was naked from the waist down so I was just enjoying the view.
Then we started, and things seemed to be OK. Then 15 minutes into the session she says "your times nearly up". I say "We just started" she says "hey you had my companionship, I don't have to be having sex the whole hour", I said "Yes you do, that's what I paid you for".
She had previously said she'd do the same stuff for the same money. But it didn't work out that way. Trying to point that out to her was worthless. In fact, saying anything to her was worthless. Any disagreement with anything she said just made her crazier.
She starts shouting. In a hotel room. Also calling some body (or pretending to) to tell them all the bad stuff I'm doing (which I wasn't) I put my clothes on and leave. This ***** follows me down the hall naked to the elevator, , continuing to to talk loudly. She looked like she wanted to get in the elevator, with me I dissuaded her from that. Elevator opens in the lobby, there she is still naked, talking about how she's got the call records, how it's all on surveillance, all kinds of crazy shit. She may have mentioned the police, she also said something at some point about how I shouldn't try and report her for prostitution. It was completely crazy.
Stay away from this one. Any time a chick acts in the least bit odd, or oversensitive, or easily angered, it's time to get out of dodge and *not* go back.
This shit didn't used to be this hard. But there were some red flags.
George Stark
02-17-21, 14:45
I would have shit my pants.
Thanks for the warning. I avoid young providers for this reason. You just don't know what you will get. Sorry you went through that.The older ones are (maybe) less crazy, at least on the surface, but can be far more devious. Mongering out of Listcrawler just isn't for the faint of heart. I may be on my way to the agencies.
George Stark
02-17-21, 16:12
I tried again to post a negative comment on the Missy & Chrissy ad on LC. I just cannot get a negative comment to show up, even though negative reviews do go right through. This isn't the first time either, a previous biatch I panned here, I also couldn't get a neg comment to show, that included using multiple IDs in multiple browsers through different VPN connectons. That was in November. That's ok, she's disappeared since then. Good riddance.
I probably tried that. I know I have with other biatches. It seems to have become more difficult to get negative comments to show up on EB.
The older ones are (maybe) less crazy, at least on the surface, but can be far more devious. Mongering out of Listcrawler just isn't for the faint of heart. I may be on my way to the agencies.The fourth picture from inside the car her eyes tell the story, she looks spaced out. I try to avoid users at all costs, they've been to jail 40 times getting arrested for prostitution nude in the lobby of a hotel means nothing to them, just another day.
LongDStyle
02-19-21, 12:14
Missy and Chrissy. Different day, same shit.
So another bad review on them in LC, (after mine), from 1/28, so it doesn't look like the guy will post it here.
Similar deal to my experience: everything is going swimmingly, but shortly after start, there's a bullshit excuse and the session is over.
https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7737463172
Phone number in URL.
Images: 1) overview, 1/11 is me. 2 - 5: 1/28 review.I saw Missy last week of January and had a great experience. I only went for a quick date however as I had a feeling anytime longer would be wasted but she did everything I requested. I did try contacting her again last week and got no response. I wouldn't do anything longer than a half hour with them but after hearing this I might avoid. They were a good bargain too for what it was worth.
George Stark
02-20-21, 19:21
I saw Missy last week of January and had a great experience. I only went for a quick date however as I had a feeling anytime longer would be wasted ... I wouldn't do anything longer than a half hour with them but after hearing this I might avoid. They were a good bargain too for what it was worth.Yeah, me and the other guy both had a good time for 15 or 20 minutes. The whole deal is bullshit, though. I'm certainly avoiding, but I have no choice: when a girl is a biatch, I tell her so in no uncertain terms. (That's part of what made that Amirror biatch so insane. That word just drives black chicks totally over the top. But that POS was a lost cause from the get-go. Nothing that I was willing to do was going to make that work.) Once they burn me, there's no going back and no more mister nice guy. I have apps with a bunch of numbers, I do NoShowNoCalls on their asses, too.
Sometimes I consider calling one of these shits back and saying I'll see them again if and only if I don't pay until after the session. Because some of them were fun before they fucked up. But having totally slimed them online, I really don't trust them with the family jewels. Or that they won't just start screaming "rape".
I slimed Missy and Amirror on the oThER site, too. Had to create an entry for Amirror to do it.
Still can't get a negative comment or review to stick on listcrawler.
I saw Missy last week of January and had a great experience. I only went for a quick date however as I had a feeling anytime longer would be wasted but she did everything I requested. I did try contacting her again last week and got no response. I wouldn't do anything longer than a half hour with them but after hearing this I might avoid. They were a good bargain too for what it was worth.Sounds like Missy and crew are legit you just have to have the right game plan. QV or HH only and don't call them biatches. I think I can manage that in exchange for a rare doubles double creampie.
George Stark
02-21-21, 17:06
Sounds like Missy and crew are legit you just have to have the right game plan. QV or HH only and don't call them biatches. I think I can manage that in exchange for a rare doubles double creampie.
There's lots of words to describe this behavior. "Legit" is NOT one of them.
They're ripoff biatches. After seeing multiple instances, we know it's clearly *planned*. When your hhr turns into 10 minutes, are you going to be ok with that? Because it *will* happen. We shouldn't be rewarding that behavior. And when they short me, they *are* biatches.
Shits like Missy are why ths thread exists. Can't wait until her karma catches up with her. Time to do another NSNC on that ****.
There's lots of words to describe this behavior. "Legit" is NOT one of them.
They're ripoff biatches. After seeing multiple instances, we know it's clearly *planned*. When your hhr turns into 10 minutes, are you going to be ok with that? Because it *will* happen. We shouldn't be rewarding that behavior. And when they short me, they *are* biatches.
Shits like Missy are why ths thread exists. Can't wait until her karma catches up with her. Time to do another NSNC on that ****.I'm not sure what happened with you and Missy / Chrissy. I've seen them many times and they've never rushed me, and always gave me as many pops as I could handle. Yeah, the drug use is very apparent, but being drama free with good service is hard to find at that price point.
George Stark
02-21-21, 23:50
I'm not sure what happened with you and Missy / Chrissy. I've seen them many times and they've never rushed me, and always gave me as many pops as I could handle. Yeah, the drug use is very apparent, but being drama free with good service is hard to find at that price point.As noted below, it's not just me. And it's not drama free anymore, apparently.
As noted below, it's not just me. And it's not drama free anymore, apparently.I just saw them last week. Completely drama free. I was even an hour late, and they helped me find parking. Didn't rush me during the session (1 hour), and even gave me a hot towel in between pops to clean up.
c0baltBlue
03-07-21, 19:41
Freaky Mary the ripoff.
This ad is a rip-off artist who will try to get you to send a deposit. If you do, the woman doesn't show up.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chi...scorts/2308889
You are warned.
Freaky Mary the ripoff.
This ad is a rip-off artist who will try to get you to send a deposit. If you do, the woman doesn't show up.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chi...scorts/2308889
You are warned.Looks like she already vanished and is on to her next alias.
LongDStyle
03-08-21, 03:26
Freaky Mary the ripoff.
This ad is a rip-off artist who will try to get you to send a deposit. If you do, the woman doesn't show up.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chi...scorts/2308889
You are warned.Same theme on repeat, no surprise that happened when you sent the deposit. As soon as I saw that word I already knew how this movie was going to end. Out of 150 situations, I might hear of one where the girl actually old up her end. If enough of you keep doing this it may become standard practice for them to start asking for deposits. There are girls I've seen in the past now asking for them. I have no remorse when I hear of it, unless you're new to the hobby it should be known what the risk is. I'm not here to berate I'm just saying use your noggin more fellas.
c0baltBlue
03-08-21, 08:33
Same theme on repeat, no surprise that happened when you sent the deposit. As soon as I saw that word I already knew how this movie was going to end. Out of 150 situations, I might hear of one where the girl actually old up her end. If enough of you keep doing this it may become standard practice for them to start asking for deposits. There are girls I've seen in the past now asking for them. I have no remorse when I hear of it, unless you're new to the hobby it should be known what the risk is. I'm not here to berate I'm just saying use your noggin more fellas.I did not personally get taken but know the guy that did.
The ad is still up.
http://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/2308889
JustAMonger
03-08-21, 08:48
Freaky Mary the ripoff.
This ad is a rip-off artist who will try to get you to send a deposit. If you do, the woman doesn't show up.
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chi...scorts/2308889
You are warned.Yep, photos, rates, services, Etc. too good to be true. You can say anything you want when you're going to rip somebody off with the deposit.
LongDStyle
03-08-21, 10:41
I did not personally get taken but know the guy that did.
The ad is still up.
http://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/2308889Thank you for sharing and the heads up, again I didn't want to sound demeaning as we should be encouraging dialogue here. But as mongers we have to realize we control the industry. If a provider has a set price and no one sees her, she's forced to either lower her requests or find other work. There have been women I've seen posts for weeks and I contact them from different numbers and you can tell if she lowers her donation she's not seeing many people but of course many do raise the donation over time but that's either due to demand or her donation being too low in the first place or perhaps a new pimp. But just like any consumer we control the market. I remember when providers didn't ask for deposits ever. Then remember my first encounter and I was tempted but decided not too. I asked advice from someone in here and haven't looked back.
I did not personally get taken but know the guy that did.
The ad is still up.
http://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/2308889I reverse searched two of the images and they are stolen from various porn sites of porn star Naughty Alysha. Obvious scam.
Guys,
It's occurred to me that all the ads now that say deposit is necessary is because some of you are actually allowing this to be a thing. Please fellow hobbyist, stop falling for that crap. Even if things pan out it opens a box you can't close. Deposits should never happen. I laugh when I hear that and keep moving. It's a scam 90% of the time and I don't know about you but my money is not worth the 10% risk. Please I beg stop sending random people deposits so this trend can stop. It's a ripoff.
Dwill.
Hi, I'm visiting Chicago this weekend. I found these two interesting sites: chicagoescorts.com and escortschicago.com. I contacted them and one of them asked for deposit. I almost fell for it until I read the posts in this forum. I just wonder if they are legit or scam. Anyone tried? Thank you.
LongDStyle
03-21-21, 19:21
Besides the TGTBT rates and pictures some of these ads display, another red flag is a provider stating incalls and outcalls are available with no location given. I'm aware some providers use both but an ad that doesn't say which suburbs of if they are in the city or not is vague. Some will ask for your address then ask for a deposit. Easy to move on and say no but this is also good reason not to give your exact address. I received a shakedown text from a number I've never contacted. I've also received pictures of the location I've texted in attempt to put me in fear. Always be in guard and stay safe guys!
DrPepper2976
03-21-21, 19:42
Hi, I'm visiting Chicago this weekend. I found these two interesting sites: chicagoescorts.com and escortschicago.com. I contacted them and one of them asked for deposit. I almost fell for it until I read the posts in this forum. I just wonder if they are legit or scam. Anyone tried? Thank you.There arent really any reviews of any girls from these sites AFAIK, so I would say neither is legit.
Most provider ads that I've responded to (text or phone call) don't give their location right away. Unless they determine I'm serious about making an appointment.
If a provider posts her location in her ad that's definitely a red flag for a police set up or robbery.
LongDStyle
03-21-21, 20:47
Most provider ads that I've responded to (text or phone call) don't give their location right away. Unless they determine I'm serious about making an appointment.
If a provider posts her location in her ad that's definitely a red flag for a police set up or robbery.While I do generally agree. Many providers will at least say they are in the northwest suburbs, south suburbs, etc. If they are doing incalls they may say a nearby town or even the city they are in. I've come across some legit providers that list "everywhere" or "all over" as their location and the price increases if they have to come farther. However I'm just noticing ads that say both incall and outcall with no price difference or any indication where the incall is a red flag. These ads will say what fits your need or criteria just get that deposit. They will agree to any request, fetish or desire. A scammer won't say I'm only doing incalls, that would limit the number of potential people they can target.
Most provider ads that I've responded to (text or phone call) don't give their location right away. Unless they determine I'm serious about making an appointment.
If a provider posts her location in her ad that's definitely a red flag for a police set up or robbery.That doesn't make sense. Shouldn't we know the potential location we are coming to? It's like you guys just say anything sometimes. Even a general location like a street name or suburb.
Guys,
It's occurred to me that all the ads now that say deposit is necessary is because some of you are actually allowing this to be a thing. Please fellow hobbyist, stop falling for that crap. Even if things pan out it opens a box you can't close. Deposits should never happen. I laugh when I hear that and keep moving. It's a scam 90% of the time and I don't know about you but my money is not worth the 10% risk. Please I beg stop sending random people deposits so this trend can stop. It's a ripoff.
Dwill.I second this. If a provider asks for one I skip to the next one.
LongDStyle
03-22-21, 17:13
That doesn't make sense. Shouldn't we know the potential location we are coming to? It's like you guys just say anything sometimes. Even a general location like a street name or suburb.Right providers will list a nearby intersection even in some cases. And most of these girls want you to be ready when you contact them and preferably not be more than an hour away. Really only the higher end women even take appointments. The scams that run by incall will tell you the incall is close to you. If they say they are 40 miles away they know chances are you'll move on.
Right providers will list a nearby intersection even in some cases. And most of these girls want you to be ready when you contact them and preferably not be more than an hour away.The ones I've seen do that. At the very meeting I drive to the closest major intersection to her location per her request. Then I text her to describe what that major intersection looks like. Gas station, restaurant, or other business. This way she knows I'm close by. Then she'll text me her exact location.
When she gets comfortable after the first few initial meetings, when I make an appointment I'll set a day and time that's good with her and show up.
McLovin3232
05-12-21, 19:10
The site in Belmont Cragin is a rip off. Not the girl. They demand money to leave. Dodgy area.
They have other ads for Persian princess, Curvy Tinker. Same scam artists. Avoid.
Hpprandson
05-13-21, 16:53
I second this. If a provider asks for one I skip to the next one.I am afraid that I fell victim recently as well. Someone who goes by Jane Wish on Snapchat. Said that she would meet at the hotel then (from downstairs, so she said) wanted $100. Sent it. She wanted verification. Then she asked for more saying pay before she got upstairs. I told her that it was a scam and she sent me a pic from downstairs at the hotel along with showing her location on Snap. Stupid me. Fooled me twice. Then she wanted more to "reimburse her for the toys she bought. " Lesson learned the hard way, times two. If you see Jane Wish on Snap, run.
ChiTownGuy23
05-14-21, 19:58
I am afraid that I fell victim recently as well. Someone who goes by Jane Wish on Snapchat. Said that she would meet at the hotel then (from downstairs, so she said) wanted $100. Sent it. She wanted verification. Then she asked for more saying pay before she got upstairs. I told her that it was a scam and she sent me a pic from downstairs at the hotel along with showing her location on Snap. Stupid me. Fooled me twice. Then she wanted more to "reimburse her for the toys she bought. " Lesson learned the hard way, times two. If you see Jane Wish on Snap, run.Sorry to hear that. I started following her Snap after somebody on here said that he met her and said that she was new to this and was doing BBFS. I tried setting up a meeting with her but she would never get back to me until hours later so I've never met her but she kept sending me Snaps and saying she was available and when I commented on one of her pics she sent a picture of her sitting in a salon saying that she was next and she was short $50 and asked if I would send it to her. Fuck that. Didn't respond and won't mess with her after reading this post.
LongDStyle
05-17-21, 00:17
I am afraid that I fell victim recently as well. Someone who goes by Jane Wish on Snapchat. Said that she would meet at the hotel then (from downstairs, so she said) wanted $100. Sent it. She wanted verification. Then she asked for more saying pay before she got upstairs. I told her that it was a scam and she sent me a pic from downstairs at the hotel along with showing her location on Snap. Stupid me. Fooled me twice. Then she wanted more to "reimburse her for the toys she bought. " Lesson learned the hard way, times two. If you see Jane Wish on Snap, run.Wow good info, she tried hard with the pic from the hotel lobby. Very bold in my opinion. You probably could've got her if you stuck around the lobby and confronted her. Maybe best not if she was that bold she may have had someone with her. I was about to pull the trigger but when she sent me her incall location which was far from me and a TGTBT price I had a feeling it wouldn't be worth the trip.
Al Melrose
05-17-21, 02:42
Wow good info, she tried hard with the pic from the hotel lobby. Very bold in my opinion. You probably could've got her if you stuck around the lobby and confronted her. Maybe best not if she was that bold she may have had someone with her. I was about to pull the trigger but when she sent me her incall location which was far from me and a TGTBT price I had a feeling it wouldn't be worth the trip.A few weeks ago I added her on snap. She asked where I lived, I replied Lombard.
I saw a snap about a week later that she was available for incall. I asked where, she replied Lombard. I admired the record keeping she / he must do.
LongDStyle
05-17-21, 10:53
A few weeks ago I added her on snap. She asked where I lived, I replied Lombard.
I saw a snap about a week later that she was available for incall. I asked where, she replied Lombard. I admired the record keeping she / he must do.She sent me an address of an apartment building in Oak Brook near the intersection Routes 83 and 56.
HanginBalls
05-19-21, 23:12
You guys may think my posts are bs. This one is not! She currently posts as Ryder on LC in Schaumburg area and Rockford in the older 40 category. Don't do it. You've been warned!
Hpprandson
06-01-21, 16:14
She sent me an address of an apartment building in Oak Brook near the intersection Routes 83 and 56.There are a couple on snap with that same price structure that ask for prepay. Will not make that mistake again. But I did have a good experience with Jaydee Star on Snap -- which might be why I got overconfident. Jaydee is super cute. Seemed pretty nice too. You do not have to pay up front. But she has rules for everything (including which side of the bed you put your clothes on, literally) and a price for every upsell. Her advertised prices are cheap, but by the time you have finished, you have paid full fare. But at least she is real. And very sexy. But my success with her led to my overconfidence with Jane Wish and now I just want to get the word out.
George Stark
06-05-21, 14:53
Posted here:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-Reports&p=5383477&viewfull=1#post5383477
Fat, dishonest, won't repeat, cannot recommend.
Maya: https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/7086655949/1.
Friend (no ads, gave me this number): (708) 677-1243.
MaxPower03
06-06-21, 09:23
There are a couple on snap with that same price structure that ask for prepay. Will not make that mistake again. But I did have a good experience with Jaydee Star on Snap -- which might be why I got overconfident. Jaydee is super cute. Seemed pretty nice too. You do not have to pay up front. But she has rules for everything (including which side of the bed you put your clothes on, literally) and a price for every upsell. Her advertised prices are cheap, but by the time you have finished, you have paid full fare. But at least she is real. And very sexy. But my success with her led to my overconfidence with Jane Wish and now I just want to get the word out.Sorry to hear that you got scammed by her ass because she's still constantly sending Snaps saying that she's available to meet up. I'd be all for it if I hadn't read more than one report that said she's nothing more than a scammer.
Al Melrose
06-06-21, 15:24
Sorry to hear that you got scammed by her ass because she's still constantly sending Snaps saying that she's available to meet up. I'd be all for it if I hadn't read more than one report that said she's nothing more than a scammer.The 300 for overnight screams scam. Nice snaps though.
FurinRumble
06-09-21, 15:15
Went through screening process, paid 25% deposit since I didn't have three references. Scheduled something for yesterday at an apartment on Streeterville, told me to pay her the rest of the money before she would come down and see me, I told her I didn't feel comfortable to do that at all and the best I could do is to pay her at the lobby once she comes down, then she blocked me without refunding me the money.
https://tryst.link/escort/missveraliu
Went through screening process, paid 25% deposit since I didn't have three references. Scheduled something for yesterday at an apartment on Streeterville, told me to pay her the rest of the money before she would come down and see me, I told her I didn't feel comfortable to do that at all and the best I could do is to pay her at the lobby once she comes down, then she blocked me without refunding me the money.
https://tryst.link/escort/missveraliuWas it worth it for some pussy? Paying deposit for incall because you didn't have references?
Was it worth it for some pussy? Paying deposit for incall because you didn't have references?Her own profile says she is in San Diego.
Never ever pay a deposit or upfront with these hookers. You'll never get your money back and you'll get no sexual service of any kind. The only time you pay her should be when you're done. She wants a deposit before you see her move on. She wants money upfront before you and her play walk out on her. When you have your money in your possession you call the shots. When she has your money she calls all the shots. Tell me which side would you rather be in?
When a WG can get your money without providing you a sexual service she's laughing at you.
FurinRumble
06-09-21, 23:14
Never ever pay a deposit or upfront with these hookers. You'll never get your money back and you'll get no sexual service of any kind. The only time you pay her should be when you're done. She wants a deposit before you see her move on. She wants money upfront before you and her play walk out on her. When you have your money in your possession you call the shots. When she has your money she calls all the shots. Tell me which side would you rather be in?
When a WG can get your money without providing you a sexual service she's laughing at you.I guess I learned it the hard way.
told me to pay her the rest of the money before she would come down and see me, https://tryst.link/escort/missveraliuHad you sent the rest of the money, the result would have been the same. Before you spend big bucks, best to see if they've been reviewed. And She has None!
Had you sent the rest of the money, the result would have been the same. Before you spend big bucks, best to see if they've been reviewed. And She has None!Reviews do help in making your decision either way. In a first time visit it's always best to pay afterward. Even hookers with rave reviews can rip you off like a street hooker.
Lynda in willowbrook a AA chick & is a total scam. Not the chick in the pics at all short haired ratchet. Up sells you, says she only gives CBJ for. $ says she won't let you inside her kitty because it just got pierced yeah ok. Try's referring you to her friend close by to finish you off. STAY AWAY!
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/63320416
IndigoWalk
06-14-21, 00:11
https://chicago.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/classy-discreet-vip-in-outcall/891585375896
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/chicago/63326749
PM me if you want digits / Address on 55 XX and Winthrop. I didn't think they allowed apartments that bad up there.
It's been several years since my brain ignored multiple red flags in a row. I've ignored one or two in a row in the past with predictable consequences, but this one was all on me. For the noobs like me, here's the flags (and how I ignored them in my foolishness).
1. Multiple posts, different pricing, all above market. (maybe low volume?
2. A little too nice on the set-up. Not business-like. (maybe low volume?
3. Gated door. Delayed meet. (but a big apartment building that is supposed to be Air BNB so who knows?
4. "that guy" - the guy you say to yourself, if this is a scam, he's definitely part of it. Comes out the door just when she needs 5 more minutes, and hangs around impatiently. (I was 50/50 on bailing at this point. So close. 5 more minutes and I was gone).
5. I'm eyeing "that guy" and he knows it. Is being fidgety. Actually looks at his wrist that has no watch. He leaves gated area to go smoke, but never leaves the area. That's not normal for Edgewater (But I'm vested now, she is here- I doubt they knew how close I was to bailing. Literally 30 seconds to 1 minute).
6. She comes down. Looks good until I look down; bleeding scabs on her legs. Like literal blood running down her legs. (OK. At this point brain not functioning obviously, should have walked).
7. Shittiest place I have ever seen. And I have been to a lot of places that people have called shitty on this site and said "oh, not so bad" - the place. Crack pipes on the tables, was worried about needles on the couch and bed.
8. Overly talkative about this, that and the other- building report, all while inching towards the door after taking my donation (slow motion I watched this happen and I swear I was simultaneously putting my shoes back on. There wasn't any doubt what was happening).
My bad for ignoring the warning. Out $$. Hope others can learn from the experience. Even when you see it happening it can be tough to disengage.
For those that say I should not have prepaid, fair enough. Another on me, but I sense had she not fled, "that guy" was coming up to finish the con. As I read in another post once, I find putting the cash out to take some of the tension off. To each his own.
RideMyFace
06-14-21, 10:10
Sad to see her doing this, she supposedly used to provide legit service. This is at least the second ripoff report I've seen on her now. Sorry for the loss but at least you got out safe, how exactly did the scam finish if you mind sharing? She just ran out the door or what? Hopefully word gets out on her and she loses all business, I hate scammers in this hobby.
George Stark
06-16-21, 19:16
She's crazy, too. I tried connecting a few weeks back. She'd respond to texts. After an hour and a half, or 5 hours, or 13 hours. When I pointed out that I'd been ready to come down when I texted, but wasn't anymore after the long delay, she's like: "I'm blocking you bitxh".
All in all, you're lucky you only lost time and money. Clearly a hater.
Lynda in willowbrook a AA chick & is a total scam. Not the chick in the pics at all short haired ratchet. Up sells you, says she only gives CBJ for. $ says she won't let you inside her kitty because it just got pierced yeah ok. Try's referring you to her friend close by to finish you off. STAY AWAY!
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/63320416
Went through screening process, paid 25% deposit since I didn't have three references. Scheduled something for yesterday at an apartment on Streeterville, told me to pay her the rest of the money before she would come down and see me, I told her I didn't feel comfortable to do that at all and the best I could do is to pay her at the lobby once she comes down, then she blocked me without refunding me the money.
https://tryst.link/escort/missveraliuYou can report her to tryst. They are super serious about removing scammers.
Lynda in willowbrook a AA chick & is a total scam. Not the chick in the pics at all short haired ratchet. Up sells you, says she only gives CBJ for. $ says she won't let you inside her kitty because it just got pierced yeah ok. Try's referring you to her friend close by to finish you off. STAY AWAY!
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/63320416Why don't you guys leave reviews / comments so other guys know?
Why don't you guys leave reviews / comments so other guys know?Some review sites allow girls to delete comments, which why you may see an ad with 1 or 2 comments like "I didn't think her pu $$why smelled" or "she didn't have try to scam me" but you can't see the actual negative comment or review.
Some review sites allow girls to delete comments, which why you may see an ad with 1 or 2 comments like "I didn't think her pu $$why smelled" or "she didn't have try to scam me" but you can't see the actual negative comment or review.You should still leave a review even in the off chance it gets deleted. Not everyone knows about this site.
George Stark
06-17-21, 16:17
You should still leave a review even in the off chance it gets deleted. Not everyone knows about this site.Often on listcrawler, you get banned when a girl has your comment removed. It's not too hard getting back in as a new user, but it's a PITA.
I've also had it happen that my acct there was in a state where no comments or reviews that I submitted would appear.
You should still leave a review even in the off chance it gets deleted. Not everyone knows about this site.A review on that website is useless. And often times, honest reviews are deleted if they are bad, and often times, providers and their handlers review themselves. So a review there is meaningless. If anyone reviews someone, please add the review to these forums.
A review on that website is useless. And often times, honest reviews are deleted if they are bad, and often times, providers and their handlers review themselves. So a review there is meaningless. If anyone reviews someone, please add the review to these forums.Exactly. That's an ad site, not a review site. So even though they have "reviews", it's in their best interest to delete all the bad ones so hookers will continue paying them for advertising.
Exactly. That's an ad site, not a review site. So even though they have "reviews", it's in their best interest to delete all the bad ones so hookers will continue paying them for advertising.I've seen various girls on the site with negative and positive reviews so this just sounds like skepticism.
George Stark
06-18-21, 15:52
Exactly. That's an ad site, not a review site. So even though they have "reviews", it's in their best interest to delete all the bad ones so hookers will continue paying them for advertising.The girls post for free.
Sometimes negative reviews disappear, sometimes they don't. No real consistency.
But yeah, it pays to be skeptical.
I've seen various girls on the site with negative and positive reviews so this just sounds like skepticism.The girl or handler has to proactively be monitoring and deleting, if you see a mix it's because the girl doesn't care or know reviews exist.
The girl or handler has to proactively be monitoring and deleting, if you see a mix it's because the girl doesn't care or know reviews exist.This is correct.
Review sites like USASG and the other big one advertise as being review sites, and the other one charges a membership fee (or makes you write content for free days).
Listcrawler is an advertising site. They don't make any money off of reviews or review content, their business model is based around hookers buying advertising. So why would it be in their best interest to leave up negative reviews if a pimp or hooker asks them to remove it? Reviews on that site should be taken with a truckload of salt because they're not objective for this reason.
I tried to set something up with Katrina. https://tryst.link/escort/katrina.
I should have just accepted that I would end up falling victim like others. I have no clue if the person on the other end of the number is really her or not. She would not follow through with a verification picture. I waited for an hour in the parking lot, which charged to be there, as she was sort of responding. She just kept saying she would be ready and that she needed to get back. She gave me the same situation where she had to suddenly head out and would not be back for 30 minutes right at the agreed time.
Do not trust her. She will not pick up and she just runs you for the little money. Extremely fake.
P.S. : Her PayPal does match a Facebook account that has the same pictures and there is an arrest report from late last year with her and cocaine.
MeLoveuLonTime
06-21-21, 09:51
I tried to set something up with Katrina. https://tryst.link/escort/katrina.
I should have just accepted that I would end up falling victim like others. I have no clue if the person on the other end of the number is really her or not. She would not follow through with a verification picture. I waited for an hour in the parking lot, which charged to be there, as she was sort of responding. She just kept saying she would be ready and that she needed to get back. She gave me the same situation where she had to suddenly head out and would not be back for 30 minutes right at the agreed time.
Do not trust her. She will not pick up and she just runs you for the little money. Extremely fake.
P.S. : Her PayPal does match a Facebook account that has the same pictures and there is an arrest report from late last year with her and cocaine.Cash in person only. That'll save so many people time and money.
Cash in person only. That'll save so many people time and money.I thought I ask her what happened and she has been responding and answering me. I believe what she is telling me is honest, but others can take it for what it is. Basically, she is saying she has high anxiety and it overwhelms her.
I thought I ask her what happened and she has been responding and answering me. I believe what she is telling me is honest, but others can take it for what it is. Basically, she is saying she has high anxiety and it overwhelms her.I deal with cam models everyday that have a variety of social issues and anxieties. None of them are thieves.
I deal with cam models everyday that have a variety of social issues and anxieties. None of them are thieves.If she's not a thief she will the money back plus some for wasting your time.
If she's not a thief she will the money back plus some for wasting your time.Don't want to pile on but I have a feeling he's going to pay up again, sad story. Sad story. Send me $$ for the room and I'll make it up to you.
If she's not a thief she will the money back plus some for wasting your time.There is no way I am defending her, the title of my post was "Then Return The Deposit".
I was pointing out that I work with sex workers that have their issues but are not thieves.
The person he that he paid a deposit to and effectively robbed by is a shank *****.
I doubt that Katrina would return it. I have no power to get the money back from PayPal and therefore, she would not have to do anything nor deal with an repercussion other than a bad report here.
Honestly, guys, if you did see her before, you are lucky. If you have not, do not bother with her. She will just make up some story and not see anyone new. I bet she has a real job and is only doing this to get a bit of money here and there from others.
A WG will never give money back to you. You younger guys and newbies playing in this game have a lot to learn.
A WG will never give money back to you. You younger guys and newbies playing in this game have a lot to learn.Just consider it lesson learned. Sometimes you have to lose a few bucks.
https://twitter.com/RedrosesGfe
I hope that anyone who is interests in see Jennifer please do not. She will just make up an excuse and not follow through her promise. She is just a scammer.
I know we should be doing a deposit, but I thought after several messages back and forth, that she would not disappear on me. I was wrong.
I should start treating every single escort as the same. I need to stop giving these girls the benefit of a doubt.
LongDStyle
06-28-21, 17:32
https://twitter.com/RedrosesGfe
I hope that anyone who is interests in see Jennifer please do not. She will just make up an excuse and not follow through her promise. She is just a scammer.
I know we should be doing a deposit, but I thought after several messages back and forth, that she would not disappear on me. I was wrong.
I should start treating every single escort as the same. I need to stop giving these girls the benefit of a doubt.That's part of the plan, she got you to trust her. No amount of communication should give you comfort in sending a deposit. I'm guessing you new mongers won't be happy until deposits become a normal part of the hobby. Communication has ended for me without deposits being involved, no way I would think sending money in advance would change that. She has what she wants and you have nothing to show.
You're just giving her free money and getting no sex in return. It's your money. Spend it as you wish.
I pay the old fashioned way. In Cash and after I'm done playing with her. Not upfront before we play. She wants money upfront I walk out.
https://twitter.com/RedrosesGfe
I hope that anyone who is interests in see Jennifer please do not. She will just make up an excuse and not follow through her promise. She is just a scammer.
I know we should be doing a deposit, but I thought after several messages back and forth, that she would not disappear on me. I was wrong.
I should start treating every single escort as the same. I need to stop giving these girls the benefit of a doubt.You paid a deposit again to another girl? Twice now? You that desperate?
https://twitter.com/RedrosesGfe
I hope that anyone who is interests in see Jennifer please do not. She will just make up an excuse and not follow through her promise. She is just a scammer.
I know we should be doing a deposit, but I thought after several messages back and forth, that she would not disappear on me. I was wrong.
I should start treating every single escort as the same. I need to stop giving these girls the benefit of a doubt.I have been following her for a while on twitter. She occasionally dm's me with a sob story, asking for cash. Needs food, just escaped an abusive bf, car broke down, needs hotel room. She also has several twitter handles, but I still want to get my lips on those massive tits. Can't seem to make it happen, because I'm a cash in person guy.
I have been following her for a while on twitter. She occasionally dm's me with a sob story, asking for cash. Needs food, just escaped an abusive bf, car broke down, needs hotel room. She also has several twitter handles, but I still want to get my lips on those massive tits. Can't seem to make it happen, because I'm a cash in person guy.So many people these days are demanding that a deposit will protect both the provider and client from robbery and assaults. I am so confused how this reason makes sense these days. She has messaged me about the sob story of her bf kicking her out. I just blocked her.
https://tryst.link/escort/katrina
If anyone has been seeing my post, I was able to meet Katrina. She has told me what is going on and that she is pregnant. I was respecting her wishes, but she would only reach out to me to see her either when I was starting work or during lunch. I got to see her only to take her out for lunch and cover the hotel room with the understanding I would see her that night.
She would then blow me off and text me the next morning saying she lost WiFi or had fallen asleep. I am tired of her now after 4 days and I believe she is now just avoiding me when I never got to actually spend time with her.
Guys, please avoid her. She is using drugs, has her life in all chaos, and she will just cash and dash if possible. If you do arrive at her location, she won't answer her door or she would just ask you to wait to clean her room or something. She is just trying to throw as many excuses.
AVOID!
Apokalypto
06-30-21, 05:35
https://tryst.link/escort/katrina
If anyone has been seeing my post, I was able to meet Katrina. She has told me what is going on and that she is pregnant. I was respecting her wishes, but she would only reach out to me to see her either when I was starting work or during lunch. I got to see her only to take her out for lunch and cover the hotel room with the understanding I would see her that night.
She would then blow me off and text me the next morning saying she lost WiFi or had fallen asleep. I am tired of her now after 4 days and I believe she is now just avoiding me when I never got to actually spend time with her.
Guys, please avoid her. She is using drugs, has her life in all chaos, and she will just cash and dash if possible. If you do arrive at her location, she won't answer her door or she would just ask you to wait to clean her room or something. She is just trying to throw as many excuses.
AVOID!I'll second this, I've never given a deposit. Like EVER, but for some reason some positive reviews here earlier I had my eye on her. She not only ghosted me when I was at her place but then had the audacity to make lame excuses actually exactly the same as above!! I told her I was going to review her and make sure nobody else is dumb enough to send money / deposit. She then told me no please come now, I was working so she knew I wouldn't just leave everything to go to her just to be ghosted again.
Please AVOID.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/232714
IAmTheManyo
07-03-21, 10:54
Avoid at all costs. Just a scam to get you to pay cash via app when arriving at the supposed incall. The POS running the scam will promise everything and even send pictures of the women in the ad:
https://www.craigserotica.com/atlanta/female-companions-for-men/34719.htm
https://adultsearch.com/illinois/chicago/female-escorts/2455783
The number is (302) 503-0887 but that will likely change. Fortunately I only lost time on this one. My loss is your gain.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/232714Same pictures, new ad. Scam an robbery.
https://chicago.rubratings.com/225315
ThroatSeek77
07-07-21, 02:48
Thanks for this.
One of the comments on LC was: "Why Is she always changing hey number? ", so I guess the odds are against that.
After reviewing my texts, it's possible I jumped the gun and she's not a bot, just very quick with one canned response (possibly an auto-reply?) which was repeated, and very slow with other responses, one of which I slept through. She actually did respond to one text, after all, said she was in Hammond.
Maybe I'll give that another shot, see if I can get a verification pic out of her after all.I had two good encounters with this one in 2021 but lately she's been impossible to get ahold of.
Both in Gary in her apartment. First encounter was covered FS. Second encounter was BBFS and I CIP. I asked her if she would do BBJ only for less than the BBFS rate and she said the rate is the same, that was a huge turn off and disappointment but it is what it is. She told me she travels between Chicago and NWI with regular clients and she doesn't post much. She's worth it but impossible to get a hold of.
Another one at it with the deposit scam.
Instagram account, ryanna. D26.
Extremely detailed description of services.
Then the pitch to send 1/2 to PayPal.
Her pics are hot. PLEASE do not fall for it.
We need to starve these scammers out.
ThroatSeek77
07-21-21, 11:45
I had two good encounters with this one in 2021 but lately she's been impossible to get ahold of.
Both in Gary in her apartment. First encounter was covered FS. Second encounter was BBFS and I CIP. I asked her if she would do BBJ only for less than the BBFS rate and she said the rate is the same, that was a huge turn off and disappointment but it is what it is. She told me she travels between Chicago and NWI with regular clients and she doesn't post much. She's worth it but impossible to get a hold of.Got a new line on her. I'd advise saving it because she's a post deleter.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/64607167
I had two good encounters with this one in 2021 but lately she's been impossible to get ahold of.
Both in Gary in her apartment. First encounter was covered FS. Second encounter was BBFS and I CIP. I asked her if she would do BBJ only for less than the BBFS rate and she said the rate is the same, that was a huge turn off and disappointment but it is what it is. She told me she travels between Chicago and NWI with regular clients and she doesn't post much. She's worth it but impossible to get a hold of.Any idea if she is still around? She is beautiful but I was only able to see her once before COVID. I've texted the number I have for her but she doesn't reply. Maybe she left the biz.
George Stark
07-28-21, 19:11
Got a new line on her. I'd advise saving it because she's a post deleter.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/64607167Can't even tell if that's the same chick. Do the tattoos match?
Sanpchat girl asking for the same. Apple Card, Google Card, Paypal.
BeechNut79
07-30-21, 22:27
Another one at it with the deposit scam.
Instagram account, ryanna. D26.
Extremely detailed description of services.
Then the pitch to send 1/2 to PayPal.
Her pics are hot. PLEASE do not fall for it.
We need to starve these scammers out.I'll definitely drink to this. And legitimate escorts should as well as it is giving the whole biz a bad name. But even some on reputable sites are now playing this game. If you must do the deposit thing, FCOL do not send more than 30 percent of total agreed upon package. If they skip out on you they would obviously forfeit the remaining 70.
If you must do the deposit thing, FCOL do not send more than 30 percent of total agreed upon package.Never do the deposit thing. Ever. Even previously legit providers can end up developing drug habits and resorting to scamming clients out of deposits (like Katrina and Bonnie Belle, for example).
BeechNut79
08-04-21, 09:30
Never do the deposit thing. Ever. Even previously legit providers can end up developing drug habits and resorting to scamming clients out of deposits (like Katrina and Bonnie Belle, for example).I was going to create a separate thread for this one but it will fit in here. A couple of days back I made arrangements with Jessica, a provider I saw on the Erotic Monkey site. A $50 deposit was insisted on, and she wanted it done with an eBay gift card, which Inbought and sent her. I waited and waited with no response back, then I found hidden within my email a notation which said that "management insisted on an additional $50 deposit before we could meet. There was no way I was going to fall for this. But she was the bigger loser here because she lost out on the 200 we had agreed on. What do you make of all this? The idea of deposit is or at least should be as a safeguard against no-shows. And yet she was the no-show here. Told her that the only way I would remotely consider seeing her would be if she would knock off 50 in order to make good on deposit. I may have lost 50, but she lost out on 200. Do they think we can just go out and pluck money off some tree? Seems so. She told me she was independent, so what is she referring to as "management "?
Escorts work for us, but many if not most act as though it's the other way around. They are setting the rules and conditions, and if you give them an inch they will do everything they can to take a mile. Do you feel as I do that they will continue doing and getting away with this as long as the activity remains technically illegal?
Salvadore Pike
08-04-21, 11:21
I was going to create a separate thread for this one but it will fit in here. A couple of days back I made arrangements with Jessica, a provider I saw on the Erotic Monkey site. A $50 deposit was insisted on, and she wanted it done with an eBay gift card, which Inbought and sent her. I waited and waited with no response back, then I found hidden within my email a notation which said that "management insisted on an additional $50 deposit before we could meet. There was no way I was going to fall for this. But she was the bigger loser here because she lost out on the 200 we had agreed on. What do you make of all this? The idea of deposit is or at least should be as a safeguard against no-shows. And yet she was the no-show here. Told her that the only way I would remotely consider seeing her would be if she would knock off 50 in order to make good on deposit. I may have lost 50, but she lost out on 200. Do they think we can just go out and pluck money off some tree? Seems so. She told me she was independent, so what is she referring to as "management "?
Escorts work for us, but many if not most act as though it's the other way around. They are setting the rules and conditions, and if you give them an inch they will do everything they can to take a mile. Do you feel as I do that they will continue doing and getting away with this as long as the activity remains technically illegal?I would say that girls like this are not escorts in the first place, they are simply thieves. She did not lose out on 200 because she never intended to meet you. That was just bait to get you to send the 50. The 50 was all she wanted, not the 200. Thankfully you did not fall for the additional 50. You did the right thing by posting of your experience, regardless of any embarrassment you might have felt. Not every hobbyist reads this or similar boards, nor keeps track of every ripoff report and their associated ads, so she will likely snare several more victims. If things dry up, all she has to do is run ads with a different set of fake pictures, new name and phone#.
I have sent deposits a couple of times, however that was several years before Backpage, etc. My experiences were with highly reputable providers and it never even entered my mind that I would be ripped off. Advertising sites were more limited then, most ladies were legit and cared about their reputations, and there were many bulletin boards where bad publicity could really impact a girl's career. There may still be a small number of upper tier ladies who ask for deposits that are legitimate, unfortunately the bad apples have ruined it for everyone else. The best advice now is to NEVER, EVER provide anything of value before a meeting, be it money, gift card numbers, premium snapchat or OF memberships, etc.
Edit: it appears we cannot spell out what OF is.
BeechNut79
08-04-21, 12:46
I would say that girls like this are not escorts in the first place, they are simply thieves. She did not lose out on 200 because she never intended to meet you. That was just bait to get you to send the 50. The 50 was all she wanted, not the 200. Thankfully you did not fall for the additional 50. You did the right thing by posting of your experience, regardless of any embarrassment you might have felt. Not every hobbyist reads this or similar boards, nor keeps track of every ripoff report and their associated ads, so she will likely snare several more victims. If things dry up, all she has to do is run ads with a different set of fake pictures, new name and phone#.
I have sent deposits a couple of times, however that was several years before Backpage, etc. My experiences were with highly reputable providers and it never even entered my mind that I would be ripped off. Advertising sites were more limited then, most ladies were legit and cared about their reputations, and there were many bulletin boards where bad publicity could really impact a girl's career. There may still be a small number of upper tier ladies who ask for deposits that are legitimate, unfortunately the bad apples have ruined it for everyone else. The best advice now is to NEVER, EVER provide anything of value before a meeting, be it money, gift card numbers, premium snapchat or OF memberships, etc.
Edit: it appears we cannot spell out what OF is.I know what it is but many now online can't spell out two or four. That being said, I went to someone's hotel s few weeks ago and called one I planned to meet with when I arrived. She told me that I needed to send a deposit before she could give me her room number. Come on! The idea of deposit should be as a shield against no-shows. I wasn't a no-show; I was already there!
There still isn't a dearth of review boards. TER and them still have them but you do have to pay to acc s them. The woman I mentioned in the last post has 7 reviews on them but so far have not paid to access them. I would think she'd have to be reputable in order to have that many.
As she claims to be independent why would she even mention "management." A curve ball a baseball pitcher would be proud of?
Things were better when the original Backpage was going. Most of the ladies you could access by phone at that time so you knew they were legit. Makes me wonder if the trend toward more and more texting set the tone for more scamming in and of itself. Too bad they dug their own grave with their carelessness. This is one of the ways we have paid for their huge mistake.
I was going to create a separate thread for this one but it will fit in here. A couple of days back I made arrangements with Jessica, a provider I saw on the Erotic Monkey site. A $50 deposit was insisted on, and she wanted it done with an eBay gift card, which Inbought and sent her. I waited and waited with no response back, then I found hidden within my email a notation which said that "management insisted on an additional $50 deposit before we could meet. There was no way I was going to fall for this. But she was the bigger loser here because she lost out on the 200 we had agreed on. What do you make of all this? The idea of deposit is or at least should be as a safeguard against no-shows. And yet she was the no-show here. Told her that the only way I would remotely consider seeing her would be if she would knock off 50 in order to make good on deposit. I may have lost 50, but she lost out on 200. Do they think we can just go out and pluck money off some tree? Seems so. She told me she was independent, so what is she referring to as "management "?
Escorts work for us, but many if not most act as though it's the other way around. They are setting the rules and conditions, and if you give them an inch they will do everything they can to take a mile. Do you feel as I do that they will continue doing and getting away with this as long as the activity remains technically illegal?You have to understand that you will find 1 escort who will not scam with the deposit for every 1000. That means, it is just better not to do the deposit. There are many posts about when to pay and what you get.
Option 1 (deposits): When you do this, you need to review the escort and read between the line. If they ask for things like gift cards or claim it is verification fee to deter from LE, then it is a scam. The other thing to note is that at this point, the person has the money, she does not have to work as hard to get things. Most likely will get less in your meet.
Option 2 (pay at entrance / start): When you meet and they ask for the money upfront, there is a decent chance that the provider is not going to do everything agreed on or put much effort. She has all the money at this point, so she is now focusing on getting you out as quickly as possible.
Option 3 (pay some at start / rest at end): This might work to help keep her motivated on putting effort, but she will be focusing on how to get the rest or just accept that she got some of the money. It might ruined the mood.
Option 4 (pay at the end): If you meet an escort and she does not as for the money right away and trust you will pay in full at the end, these are super rare to find, then she is focusing on the experience and not planning to cut things short. Best results.
There are exceptions to all these options, but in short, deposits to pay for the verification step, management, or must in be gift cards are usually scams.
BeechNut79
08-04-21, 18:15
You have to understand that you will find 1 escort who will not scam with the deposit for every 1000. That means, it is just better not to do the deposit. There are many posts about when to pay and what you get.
Option 1 (deposits): When you do this, you need to review the escort and read between the line. If they ask for things like gift cards or claim it is verification fee to deter from LE, then it is a scam. The other thing to note is that at this point, the person has the money, she does not have to work as hard to get things. Most likely will get less in your meet.
Option 2 (pay at entrance / start): When you meet and they ask for the money upfront, there is a decent chance that the provider is not going to do everything agreed on or put much effort. She has all the money at this point, so she is now focusing on getting you out as quickly as possible.
Option 3 (pay some at start / rest at end): This might work to help keep her motivated on putting effort, but she will be focusing on how to get the rest or just accept that she got some of the money. It might ruined the mood.
But with the latter, safer option the ladies are usually the ones priced out of the average person's pocketbook. Average rate in this market is around $400 an hour. Most of the posters here seem to indicate that they can't afford that either. All I really want is one to spend a reasonable amount of time with at reasonable price who is not a scammer.
With all its faults the original Backpage was far better than the clones that came along since the original's forced closure. Texting wasn't as big a thing yet and most of the ladies answered the phone so you knew they were legit. Now all they do is text and despite what some say it is to me a big red flag, a smokescreen. I mostly traverse the site called YesBackpage because it seemed most active. But over the past few days I have noticed the volume of ads is down quite a bit. Could it be that the site is cleaning house and getting wise to the scammers.
I touched on this in another post but said that the most I would advance per gift card, etc. Would be 15 percent. She would still lose the other 85 if she wasn't honest in her dealings.
The woman I mentioned in the last post has 7 reviews on them but so far have not paid to access them. I would think she'd have to be reputable in order to have that many.It would be helpful if you could provide a link to her them ad. Regarding her 7 reviews, they could be fake. Also if you post 2 reviews over ThER, they give you 1 month free access to the full reviews. Each additional review gives you another 15 days.
I'll definitely drink to this. And legitimate escorts should as well as it is giving the whole biz a bad name. But even some on reputable sites are now playing this game. If you must do the deposit thing, FCOL do not send more than 30 percent of total agreed upon package. If they skip out on you they would obviously forfeit the remaining 70.You like giving away free money huh?
I get it. More providers are moving to deposits, but I will never pay a deposit. If enough dudes stay put and don't do deposits, there will be providers who are good. And as Beechnut posted early, if they would talk on the phone maybe they could ask some questions to gauge flaky clients. I also understand that they are getting a lot of bullshit calls so there isn't an easy answer. But I find it funny how many guys have multiple posts, yet still post about being burned on a deposit. I learned 2 days after I joined this site: never pay a deposit unless you are booking a reputable and well-reviewed porn star, which is too rich for my wallet.
StanleyStankas
08-05-21, 09:49
I get it. More providers are moving to deposits, but I will never pay a deposit. If enough dudes stay put and don't do deposits, there will be providers who are good. And as Beechnut posted early, if they would talk on the phone maybe they could ask some questions to gauge flaky clients. I also understand that they are getting a lot of bullshit calls so there isn't an easy answer. But I find it funny how many guys have multiple posts, yet still post about being burned on a deposit. I learned 2 days after I joined this site: never pay a deposit unless you are booking a reputable and well-reviewed porn star, which is too rich for my wallet.In that the deposit in many cases is a result of looky looks known as time wasters. Well it may have started out that way however on the provider side it now as reported here is also scammers that have no intention of providing a stated service.
The only time I would ever do a deposit is with a reliable and established agency, like YWSM, CCG, ECE, etc. That I have done business with before. They have a business reputation to maintain and in this hobby, good word of mouth is the lifeblood.
But agencies like this rarely ask for deposits because they want to have as much distance with the clients as possible to shelter both of us from LE. Also, they have our RS2 K, P411, and so on to report us to if we flake out and waste a girl's time.
I would never do a deposit with an independent. Not even with a provider I've been seeing for years. Look at Bonnie / Scarlett, Katrina, and others. Girls who were super reliable then just flipped out with an out of control drug habit.
George Stark
08-06-21, 17:30
Re: deposit scams
Do you feel as I do that they will continue doing and getting away with this as long as the activity remains technically illegal?They'll keep doing it as long as suckers fall for it.
BeechNut79
08-06-21, 20:32
You like giving away free money huh?Not by choice for sure but it's getting more and more like there is no other Chou because just about everybody is doing it. As I have already stated, most escorts act as though we work for them even though they work for us as we are paying them.
BeechNut79
08-06-21, 20:37
It would be helpful if you could provide a link to her them ad. Regarding her 7 reviews, they could be fake. Also if you post 2 reviews over ThER, they give you 1 month free access to the full reviews. Each additional review gives you another 15 days.First of all I can't give a review on someone I never saw. You can find her by doing a search on Jessica, and it will pull up everyone on the site by that name. She is on the fourth page of Jessicas. On the Erotic Monkey site. Obviously a few had better luck than I did.
The woman I mentioned in the last post has 7 reviews on them but so far have not paid to access them. I would think she'd have to be reputable in order to have that many.Several TER reviews doesn't indicate reliability. They could all say she's terrible. Why not just buy a month of VIP so you can read them? If you're planning on spending $200/ hr, $25 for the VIP is more than worth it. Especially since you already got scammed out of your $50 "deposit".
Could you link us to her ad?
Not by choice for sure but it's getting more and more like there is no other Chou because just about everybody is doing it. As I have already stated, most escorts act as though we work for them even though they work for us as we are paying them.Stop trying to justify giving free money to hoes for no work by trying to make it seem like everybody does it. You don't need pussy that bad. Thats why these hoes get away with ripping people off.
"Oh it's just money I got so much". Giving deposits just to know the room number when you're downstairs smh.
First of all I can't give a review on someone I never saw. You can find her by doing a search on Jessica, and it will pull up everyone on the site by that name. She is on the fourth page of Jessicas. On the Erotic Monkey site.I asked for a link not your review. Followed your directions led to this Jessica, only Chicago based Jessica on the 4th page: https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/jessica-escort-chicago-782535.
That first pic looks like veteran porn star Ava Addams, no tineye nor yandex hit on it. But the second pic, Oh Yeah! Ava Addams:
https://vipergirls.to/threads/2983871-Ava-Addams-Rainy-Daze-BTS-(x109).
41 yrs old Ava is still active in the porn industry, but doesn't escort.
George Stark
08-07-21, 18:00
Not by choice for sure but it's getting more and more like there is no other Chou because just about everybody is doing it. What are you looking at, that you think everyone is doing this? Except for outcall, they're not, and they won't unless guys keep letting them.
I don't know if guys here are paying deposits for outcalls. I do see lots of girls asking for those, but I never do outcalls, so I have no idea about the reality of that. Maybe it's more typical with agencies?
First of all I can't give a review on someone I never saw. You can find her by doing a search on Jessica, and it will pull up everyone on the site by that name. She is on the fourth page of Jessicas. On the Erotic Monkey site. Obviously a few had better luck than I did.Is it too much effort to just copy and paste her link? I am not sure what your objective is with the attitude and thought process you are projecting. There are as many ideas on how to approach hookers as their are mongers, your current set of ideas don't seem to be leading to success.
BeechNut79
08-08-21, 00:08
I asked for a link not your review. Followed your directions led to this Jessica, only Chicago based Jessica on the 4th page: https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/jessica-escort-chicago-782535.
That first pic looks like veteran porn star Ava Addams, no tineye nor yandex hit on it. But the second pic, Oh Yeah! Ava Addams:
https://vipergirls.to/threads/2983871-Ava-Addams-Rainy-Daze-BTS-(x109).
41 yrs old Ava is still active in the porn industry, but doesn't escort.We have a bingo.
A woman working the phones taking deposits off of chumps can make enough bank to feed her habit or whatever.
No to deposits period I don't care if it's a local or touring provider.
Until the boarder reopens and I can go to Toronto I'm looking north to Madison.
A reliable market of well reviewed providers.
DrPepper2976
08-08-21, 10:51
Is it too much effort to just copy and paste her link? I am not sure what your objective is with the attitude and thought process you are projecting. There are as many ideas on how to approach hookers as their are mongers, your current set of ideas don't seem to be leading to success.Yes apparently it is, but its not too much energy to go out of his way to spam an inbox with hate filled speech when a link is requested, likely a troll.
George Stark
08-13-21, 00:37
Until the boarder reopens and I can go to Toronto I'm looking north to Madison.
A reliable market of well reviewed providers.It's interesting that you say that, I've heard differently from others here.
A woman working the phones taking deposits off of chumps can make enough bank to feed her habit or whatever.
No to deposits period I don't care if it's a local or touring provider.
Until the boarder reopens and I can go to Toronto I'm looking north to Madison.
A reliable market of well reviewed providers.
It's interesting that you say that, I've heard differently from others here.I've mongered in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Vancouver was so-so but the other cities were great places for the hobby at the time I was there. Especially Toronto. And especially for me because I love Indian and Middle Eastern girls and Toronto has the best collection of those kinds of girls of anywhere I've been to.
PghTraveler
08-13-21, 11:20
Madison is a wasteland. There are *maybe* a handful of good providers, and they're hard to reach. Lots of d*pe fiends and ROBs. Check the Madison forum and you'll see how lousy it is.
Until the boarder reopens and I can go to Toronto I'm looking north to Madison.
A reliable market of well reviewed providers.
Madison is a wasteland. There are *maybe* a handful of good providers, and they're hard to reach. Lots of d*pe fiends and ROBs. Check the Madison forum and you'll see how lousy it is.I remember at one point people on the BBFS forum were describing Milwaukee as a wonderland. Only been once, found meeting girls pretty easy, but not sure if that was the norm there or if it is still like that.
George Stark
08-13-21, 16:06
I've mongered in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Vancouver was so-so but the other cities were great places for the hobby at the time I was there. Especially Toronto. And especially for me because I love Indian and Middle Eastern girls and Toronto has the best collection of those kinds of girls of anywhere I've been to.Right, I was responding to his apparently favorable comment about Madison.
Right, I was responding to his apparently favorable comment about Madison.Oh right. Don't think I've ever hobbied there now that I think about it.
PghTraveler
08-13-21, 18:42
Montreal and Toronto are amazing, and the donations are ridiculously reasonable by Chicago standards. Gorgeous brown girls of all varieties, BBBJTC, for under $250. Sigh.
I've mongered in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Vancouver was so-so but the other cities were great places for the hobby at the time I was there. Especially Toronto. And especially for me because I love Indian and Middle Eastern girls and Toronto has the best collection of those kinds of girls of anywhere I've been to.
PghTraveler
08-13-21, 18:43
Don't try! Not worth it. Now Milwaukee is probably better. I've been meaning to head over to see Macie, who definitely sounds like she's worth the trip.
Oh right. Don't think I've ever hobbied there now that I think about it.
Hey mongers. Long time member. Been out of the hobby a while. Tried to hit up Vivica since she was close. I had seen her postings for a while and st one point she did have reviews. This was under a new number apparently. Agreed to a hhr incall BBBJ with photos for $. 5. She sounded very hot on the phone and looked great in the pictures in her ad. Got to her location and called her. She said she would come out and get in my car and drive with me around back. (1st sign in hindsight it was a scam.) There was plenty if street parking so I declined. I walk up and she pokes her head out two doors down. So I walk up. She does the LE check and I reciprocated. She is the provider in the pictures however the pictures have to be a few years old because she looked pretty worn. She lead me to the back porches up the stairs past a girl sitting on them. (She will come into this later.) We get to the second floor balcony and she tells me her dealer will be dropping off some hemp for her. She tells me we can't go in to her apartment because she has a dog and it would be dangerous to be alone with it. (Funny, I don't hear a dog. Guess that's the 2nd sign.) She tells me she needs the donation to pay her dealer. I politely declined. She asks me if I trust her to which I reply no. She then offers me to hold on to her phone. (Sure, you can give me your iPhone for $5.) I take her phone out it in my pocket and keep my hand in my pocket so she can't grab it back and give her the donation. Now she wants her phone back. I tell her to give me the donation back and I will give her the phone back. She declines. So then I tell her to go meet up with her dealer and I'll be right her with her phone. This goes back and forth for 15 minutes. BTW her dealer hasn't showed up. I tell her if she would have just done what we agreed upon we would probably have been close to done by now. She then hands me back. 3 of the donation and says the girl on the stairs will do what I wanted for that. So I walk down the stairs to the girl and introduce myself. Her name is Diamond. I tell her what Vivica said and ask if she will stand in for her instead for. 3. She agreed but it will be a CBJ and done right here on the stairs. Now I'm just curious about this. So I give Diamond the. 3 and she pulls out a cover and goes to work. I give Vivica her phone back and get somewhat of what I wanted from Diamond. In hindsight this was the stupidest thing I have done at a meet up and I'm quite frankly lucky I didn't get jumped. But a part of me is sick and tired of providers playing games I stood up for myself. I'll post the link to her. I would only expect it to be up briefly. I did screenshot it and will share it if allowed.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/65638133
Now I'm just curious about this. So I give Diamond the. 3 and she pulls out a cover and goes to work. I give Vivica her phone back and get somewhat of what I wanted from Diamond. In hindsight this was the stupidest thing I have done at a meet up
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/65638133First, it's good that you stood your ground with the money and then the phone. Second, the part of the quote I kept above represents why you did it: the experience. You wanted to see what would happen and now you have a funny story to tell even if the whole situation was annoying.
DrPepper2976
08-14-21, 12:32
Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).
ChiTownGuy23
08-14-21, 13:17
Don't try! Not worth it. Now Milwaukee is probably better. I've been meaning to head over to see Macie, who definitely sounds like she's worth the trip.Not sure if you're aware but Macie spends mostly weekdays in Chicago as well.
Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).Agency gets busted maybe LED can get your history no matter what agency does.
Worker for agency goes rogue and bad stuff happens.
CC company doesn't like agency and doesn't approve transaction.
Too many " What Ifs" for me to give them my CC info.
George Stark
08-16-21, 18:21
First, it's good that you stood your ground with the money and then the phone. Second, the part of the quote I kept above represents why you did it: the experience. You wanted to see what would happen and now you have a funny story to tell even if the whole situation was annoying.I'd have been highly tempted to give her back her phone in pieces. Obviously, though, I hate to escalate in unknown territory. But it would definitely have crossed my mind. Probably enough to at least threaten it in order to get all my money back. As it stands, he spent $. 5 to get a CBJ *outside*.
Fukk these biatches.
Leaving a paper trail is never a good idea. Ask Matt Gaetz.
Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).
Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).There is a GQ or ESPN article about how to be a college football booster, the main theme of the article was. If you're doing something illegal pay in cash.
Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
https://callescort.org/309-550-6549
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/66811401
Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).I've never used a CC with Modeling Avenue (I didn't even know Sandra took credit cards) but I have with 2 kg and another agency and I don't think it's a big deal. The business name that shows up on the credit card bill is always something totally benign like a cleaning service or a generic consulting firm, so it's easy to fly under the radar. It's not like it's going to show up on your credit card bill as "Prostitute service" LOL.
Beware of Instagram scammers. Sending deposits or having you buy a gift card and then have you send a photograph of it. They do not need the pin code to drain it.
My recommendation is to amuse yourselves waisting as much of their time as possible. They will say anything in text to get you to advance money.
Jenny24434 is an example of one of these thieves. BTW, the will appeal to you saying, it is for their own safety.
DO NOT GET RIPPED OFF.
I've never used a CC with Modeling Avenue (I didn't even know Sandra took credit cards) but I have with 2 kg and another agency and I don't think it's a big deal. The business name that shows up on the credit card bill is always something totally benign like a cleaning service or a generic consulting firm, so it's easy to fly under the radar. It's not like it's going to show up on your credit card bill as "Prostitute service" LOL.It won't be a big deal until someone ties names to the credit card numbers and then ties them to an escort agency and then posts it on the internet so your name comes up tied to an escort agency in google searches. At that point maybe it is a big deal and maybe it isn't depending on your career and relationship status. Me Ill stick to cash.
Beware of Instagram scammers. Sending deposits or having you buy a gift card and then have you send a photograph of it. They do not need the pin code to drain it.
My recommendation is to amuse yourselves waisting as much of their time as possible. They will say anything in text to get you to advance money.
Jenny24434 is an example of one of these thieves. BTW, the will appeal to you saying, it is for their own safety.
DO NOT GET RIPPED OFF.Annoying, but as you said a lot of fun to mess with.
Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
https://callescort.org/309-550-6549
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/66811401I had pretty much the same experience a couple of weeks ago. Talks herself up but when you get there she wants nothing to do with you. It was so bad I ended up leaving after 10 minutes. Worst experience in years.
Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
https://callescort.org/309-550-6549
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/66811401I'll bet this will be the last time you pay a WG upfront.
BeechNut79
09-30-21, 09:41
Annoying, but as you said a lot of fun to mess with.I have heard that line too. Also that they don't take cash because they were once robbed by doing so or that they were hit with a bunch of fake bills. I don't believe that I have ever had any fake bills in my possession. What do you feel is behind all this? BTW, the girl you mentioned was listed as being in Austin, not Chicago.
TwilightCircus
10-04-21, 15:12
Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.
I'll bet this will be the last time you pay a WG upfront.A few years back I picked up this SW near Lincoln & Devon. Gave her .6 and drove off to crack house. Groped me 4 a sec and promised 2 return. Fifteen minutes goes by and I'm ready to write it off. She comes flying out to my car, gets in and apologizes. I told her I thought she was ditching me. In a moment of honesty she told she had planned to but after feeling me up she wanted to experience the Ivory Python! She asked 4 another. 6 and I can fuck her all night long. We head to her shithole and dives for my schlong. She's gagging the whole way and asks if I'm a one shot guy. I assure her "No" and I blow in her mouth. She jets out after I park. I thoughts she was going to run but just gets out to spit. While inside her dump she lights up, disrobes and tells me to pound her pussy. She exhales as I part her canal. She screams in ecstasy and drops the pipe. A few pumps later and she's gushing like a guy. She turns over in mish and tells me to give her that big dick! She's maybe 5' tall and 95 #s soaking wet. Surprisingly she's wide and deep with pea size tits and eraser nipples. We fucked till dawn and woke up to a nice BBBJ. After guzzling down my morning dew I asked her how many guys she's burned. She said, "All of them". A few days later I picked up this pig and told her about my story. She told that was her mother and that she flew back to her hometown. Needless to say I indirectly fucked a mother / daughter combo!
Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.
StanleyStankas
10-05-21, 14:45
She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.Yep, typical mo imo. This reminds me of a vietnam amputee vet on the vegas boards under the rip off section. Dude held his own, pulled out a weapon, all legal of course and said ok you can go my money stays! Eventually the local po po was called and it did get resolved. But to keep it all easy. No upfront cash like that unless it's someone that you have dealt with and know she is reliable and you will repeat. She won't ditch on one to miss ten more times. However, yep the advice on here is generally strong and should be adhered to imo. Stosh stay safe gents and keep the cash in your pocket until the little guy has been addressed properly!
DrPepper2976
10-05-21, 16:02
It won't be a big deal until someone ties names to the credit card numbers and then ties them to an escort agency and then posts it on the internet so your name comes up tied to an escort agency in google searches. At that point maybe it is a big deal and maybe it isn't depending on your career and relationship status. Me Ill stick to cash.I used 2 kg for years, they had a cc scanner phone attachment like numerous small and portable businesses. I get your concern and it can be good, but you should probably avoid all businesses and use cash only with your paranoia on verified and reviewed agencies.
Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.
A few years back I picked up this SW near Lincoln & Devon. Gave her .6 and drove off to crack house. Groped me 4 a sec and promised 2 return. Fifteen minutes goes by and I'm ready to write it off. She comes flying out to my car, gets in and apologizes. I told her I thought she was ditching me. In a moment of honesty she told she had planned to but after feeling me up she wanted to experience the Ivory Python! She asked 4 another. 6 and I can fuck her all night long. We head to her shithole and dives for my schlong. She's gagging the whole way and asks if I'm a one shot guy. I assure her "No" and I blow in her mouth. She jets out after I park. I thoughts she was going to run but just gets out to spit. While inside her dump she lights up, disrobes and tells me to pound her pussy. She exhales as I part her canal. She screams in ecstasy and drops the pipe. A few pumps later and she's gushing like a guy. She turns over in mish and tells me to give her that big dick! She's maybe 5' tall and 95 #s soaking wet. Surprisingly she's wide and deep with pea size tits and eraser nipples. We fucked till dawn and woke up to a nice BBBJ. After guzzling down my morning dew I asked her how many guys she's burned. She said, "All of them". A few days later I picked up this pig and told her about my story. She told that was her mother and that she flew back to her hometown. Needless to say I indirectly fucked a mother / daughter combo!I was wondering what happened to the troll. Does your mommy know you browse this website? You have to be over 18 to be on this site, so shoo.
Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.Absolutely, just say no and walk away, there are plenty of others around.
She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.I'm curious if anyone has tried to wait her out. She's obviously moved from her apartment to a hotel. If you just sat back, turned on the TV and waited. At some point, she's going to return.
Another move, look through her stuff and see what might be worth bargaining: "I've got your jewelry" "your clothes" or whatever. $200 if you want it back.
IndigoWalk
10-05-21, 21:27
Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.Don't call it a hotel if it isn't. It's 55 xx and winthrop. Any one that DM 's me I will help out scope the string ass boyfriend. He's high as a kite and easy to identify when he comes out 5 min before and hangs around. My best advice is avoid. Second best is call me as I am local and can be your spotter and you can buy me coffee to throw at them after you get ripped off.
I was wondering what happened to the troll. Does your mommy know you browse this website? You have to be over 18 to be on this site, so shoo.I guess the Admin gave up banning him, the kid just makes more accounts.
Don't call it a hotel if it isn't. It's 55 xx and winthrop. Any one that DM 's me I will help out scope the string ass boyfriend. He's high as a kite and easy to identify when he comes out 5 min before and hangs around. My best advice is avoid. Second best is call me as I am local and can be your spotter and you can buy me coffee to throw at them after you get ripped off.LOL! I forgot about the coffee story. That was some funny shit.
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StanleyStankas
10-06-21, 09:47
Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.Maybe one day (probably not) these c**ts will get with the program and understand that on our side we will shower them with funds if they would just do what they said they were going to do. Scammers get outed here and other places and that road will generally lead to a dead end. I keep going back to the pro I knew as a quote un quote friend she just never f**ked around with the service and did what she said she would do. Now, imo she was in real life bat s**t crazy, however no when she would show and tell me all the money she made by just being nice to guys and delivering what she said she would do I was astonished. Some people just don't get it! Stosh be safe gents.
Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.Learn from this mistake paying upfront.
Maybe one day (probably not) these c**ts will get with the program and understand that on our side we will shower them with funds if they would just do what they said they were going to do. Scammers get outed here and other places and that road will generally lead to a dead end. I keep going back to the pro I knew as a quote un quote friend she just never f**ked around with the service and did what she said she would do. Now, imo she was in real life bat s**t crazy, however no when she would show and tell me all the money she made by just being nice to guys and delivering what she said she would do I was astonished. Some people just don't get it! Stosh be safe gents.Perhaps this forum needs yet another user blog or sub forum to name all these girls who will fuck before being paid that so many of the users her claim to know. Have any of them actually been named yet? Why are they the biggest secret on this board?
Perhaps this forum needs yet another user blog or sub forum to name all these girls who will fuck before being paid that so many of the users her claim to know. Have any of them actually been named yet? Why are they the biggest secret on this board?Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl.
B.
Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl..I won't disagree in principal with any of that but why is it that so many of these guys preach that everyone follows their advice to not pay until afterwards, why should they care what we do as long as they have their secret little harems with girls willing to wait until after the deed? We have a special place to discuss BBFS, seems like that would be more of a closely guarded secret than girls who will put out without being paid up front. If you look at post history some of these guys have never given out any relevant information on any specific girl but they sure soak up the boards knowledge and give give advice on how other guys handle their business.
Say you go to a girl and she refuses to do the deed without money up front, and before you can get away her pimp confronts you, than what? I have never read of that happening, don't you think it is a little strange that with all the mongering going on that something like that never happened? Why wouldn't these guys report on it?
What if she says pay first, you say no, and she wants a cancellation fee, at that point neither of you wants to fuck and she is going to go nuts on you. Has that never happened to these guys? Why wouldn't they report on it with names? I knew a high end girl with misleading pics that had that happen a number of times and it was discussed on the boards with her name, but we should believe that it has never happened to these guys?
So another, she doesn't get paid upfront and you get done and don't think her asking price is worth it and give her less. So she goes nuts on you, or pimp issue from above happens, has that never happened, if so why has it never been reported?
Its easy to say you only pay only at the end, and easier to never give any details like it has never gone bad. Do you believe that those possible things I brought up have never happened if these guys pull their stunt on every girl they see? Why do they never report on it?
KhadaDick555
10-07-21, 14:32
Even though I am an experienced monger I ignored my brain and paid upfront deposit to Amber Lynn. Half hour before appointment she asked for 30 more minutes then cancelled due to some leak at her place. This was two days ago still hounding her to return my $$. Please do not employ her services.
K.
Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl.
B.A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.
DMichaels69
10-07-21, 18:33
Especially at AMP's as they can be the queens of shorting time. When asked of me I always say I pay after and I figured they would not walk away from money. In some cases I was right and they agreed with me but other cases they did not and walked away from the money. I learned this the hard way when I agreed to pay upfront and I was grossly shorted on time and she could have cared less. I was at a AMP recently and the girl had a huge case of GPS as she was very good looking. I walked away from that one. Now some would say that some mongers screw the girls by dine and dashing and that is unfortunate. Not sure how to mitigate that one.
A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.
George Stark
10-07-21, 18:45
Its easy to say you only pay only at the end, and easier to never give any details like it has never gone bad. I have many times requested the success rate with paying after with a girl that a given guy seeing for the first time. All such requests have been completely ignored, from which I deduce that the success rate is vanishingly small, and that I'll lose more good opportunities and waste more time than just looking for well reviewed girls and paying how they wish. I also suspect that the guys talking that crap are on BS, or that they have only actually succeeded with a really tiny number of providers. I like more variety.
In one case, I had problems with a girl. She was a spectacular fuck and suck, (Jessica, when she wasn't too fucked up, was amazing) so rather than just striking her from the list, I told her that going forward, I'd never again pay her ahead of time. I saw her once after that on those terms and it went OK. The next time I went, she tried to be clever and demand up front payment and I walked out on her.
As far as listing the names of girls who will allow paying after, I don't even need that. A good trustworthy review or 2 is enough for me. It's really only relevant for me when going to see someone I haven't seen and who has no trustworthy reviews.
I have many times requested the success rate with paying after with a girl that a given guy seeing for the first time. All such requests have been completely ignored, from which I deduce that the success rate is vanishingly small, and that I'll lose more good opportunities and waste more time than just looking for well reviewed girls and paying how they wish. I also suspect that the guys talking that crap are on BS, or that they have only actually succeeded with a really tiny number of providers. I like more variety.
In one case, I had problems with a girl. She was a spectacular fuck and suck, (Jessica, when she wasn't too fucked up, was amazing) so rather than just striking her from the list, I told her that going forward, I'd never again pay her ahead of time. I saw her once after that on those terms and it went OK. The next time I went, she tried to be clever and demand up front payment and I walked out on her.
As far as listing the names of girls who will allow paying after, I don't even need that. A good trustworthy review or 2 is enough for me. It's really only relevant for me when going to see someone I haven't seen and who has no trustworthy reviews.My suspicion is that if in fact these guys are getting away with their tactic that they are bottom feeders that seek out girls who are vulnerable due to a variety of bad life decisions and behaviors and these guys are opportunists trying to manipulate them. To each their own but since none of these guys will put names out there on a board where guys are sharing all kinds of other information its all kind of a myth and urban legend maybe even a fantasy anyways.
Even though I am an experienced monger I ignored my brain and paid upfront deposit to Amber Lynn. Half hour before appointment she asked for 30 more minutes then cancelled due to some leak at her place. This was two days ago still hounding her to return my $$. Please do not employ her services.
K.She has been discussed quite a bit here on her looks, social media posts, photos, performance, following through with appointments, and deposit issues. Did you do any research on her or were you just taken by her 15 year old pictures, or social media posts. I follow her twitter for laughs.
A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.Thanks for the advice. Would you mind providing links to the last couple of girls who allow paying after? Thanks in advance to the links!
B.
Whatever girl you guys see I suggest you pay after playtime is over. I learned my lesson early in this game. After my first pay upfront rip off I made sure going forward it was my last.
A girl can have one million awesome reviews. And that's great. I'm still paying her after playtime is over. She insists on money upfront I got no problem walking out. I might be missing out on a great time with her. At least I'll walk out with my cash and not get ripped off.
George Stark
10-08-21, 13:07
Don't hold your breath. I went through 5 pages, 250 of his posts. Not a single review of a girl, leave alone one who accepts payment afterwards. He's talking smack.
Thanks for the advice. Would you mind providing links to the last couple of girls who allow paying after? Thanks in advance to the links!
B.
I haven't seen her but figured I'd share what I read on TER - 363775.
Took money and then threatened to call the police.
https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/9759285.htm?cat=6209
Don't hold your breath. I went through 5 pages, 250 of his posts. Not a single review of a girl, leave alone one who accepts payment afterwards. He's talking smack.I figured as much when I asked for specific links to girls who accept payment after services. An hour later after my reply to him asking for links he makes similar comments without addressing my question. No response publicly and no private message could be found in my inbox. It was a way of calling him out I suppose. I am glad you did a research of his prior posts, it saved me the trouble. I am only following up here for the other readers so they may draw the same conclusion as you and I have drawn, RonM is not being helpful on this forum which purpose is men helping men find women for sex. He just might join hangingballs on my ignore list.
B.
How do you amass 2700 plus posts on this forum and since I've been on here, they've all been peddling the same advice of "pay after"?
Paying after is something I've never heard or seen in my life until I saw people mention it here. I'm not saying it's not real, but maybe is varies based on how you met the girl.
I can 100% tell you that mid-range and higher girls ($300+ hr) have a very specific routine and will have no problem telling you to leave if you don't follow it. You come in, go to the bathroom, shower, leave the money in the bathroom, she goes in, cleans up and grabs the money. Or you leave it to the nightstand and go to the bathroom. Something like that.
Lower end girls? Who knows. I guess it's possible but not worth the risk of things escalating. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been ripped off.
Spas sometimes function that way. At CLM I've paid the fee upfront but in the flow of things we'll start doing stuff and we don't settle up until after. That's the closest I've ever come to "pay after".
Paying after is something I've never heard or seen in my life until I saw people mention it here. I'm not saying it's not real, but maybe is varies based on how you met the girl.
I can 100% tell you that mid-range and higher girls ($300+ hr) have a very specific routine and will have no problem telling you to leave if you don't follow it. You come in, go to the bathroom, shower, leave the money in the bathroom, she goes in, cleans up and grabs the money. Or you leave it to the nightstand and go to the bathroom. Something like that.
Lower end girls? Who knows. I guess it's possible but not worth the risk of things escalating. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been ripped off.
Spas sometimes function that way. At CLM I've paid the fee upfront but in the flow of things we'll start doing stuff and we don't settle up until after. That's the closest I've ever come to "pay after".Agree. The most common scenario with me is I leave the envelope someplace conspicuous and then go wash up. A handful of times the girl asked me for the money right away, but that's less common and usually only happens with the lower priced ones. The mid to upper range ones usually seems to be the first scenario. I don't like talking about money, so I don't often revisit the ones who ask for it up front.
Some guys are just scumbags who like to pull a dine and dash, so that's how they wind up not trusting us. I'd be paranoid too.
I've never been ripped off, but I really do my homework.
Just to be clear;.
I've always paid the full price for an escort's services when the session is over. Never have I "Dined and' Dashed" on an escort. That would be a terrible thing to do. I pay afterwards to prevent from getting ripped off. It's always good to have some sort of control and leverage when dealing with these girls. High class or otherwise.
DrPepper2976
10-09-21, 16:27
Paying after is something I've never heard or seen in my life until I saw people mention it here. I'm not saying it's not real, but maybe is varies based on how you met the girl.
I can 100% tell you that mid-range and higher girls ($300+ hr) have a very specific routine and will have no problem telling you to leave if you don't follow it. You come in, go to the bathroom, shower, leave the money in the bathroom, she goes in, cleans up and grabs the money. Or you leave it to the nightstand and go to the bathroom. Something like that.
Lower end girls? Who knows. I guess it's possible but not worth the risk of things escalating. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been ripped off.
Spas sometimes function that way. At CLM I've paid the fee upfront but in the flow of things we'll start doing stuff and we don't settle up until after. That's the closest I've ever come to "pay after".I guess that's part of the difference between agency and independent.
Agency girls have been nice in the past to me where we have chemistry in both talk and play, and have "gone right to it" on subsequent visits, and I pay before I leave; once, both the girl and I forgot I paid and it wasnt until I was heading to my car I remembered and went back to pay (I don't want to ruin those "relationships".
Only once has this happened with an independent because I was a regular and again had good chemistry, we got going right away and I paid before leaving.
I guess that's part of the difference between agency and independent.
Agency girls have been nice in the past to me where we have chemistry in both talk and play, and have "gone right to it" on subsequent visits, and I pay before I leave; once, both the girl and I forgot I paid and it wasnt until I was heading to my car I remembered and went back to pay (I don't want to ruin those "relationships".
Only once has this happened with an independent because I was a regular and again had good chemistry, we got going right away and I paid before leaving.Ill bet that a decent percentage of guys have forgot to pay upfront with girls they have seen before and have good comfort levels with and I would put myself in that group but that is due to trust, comfort and forgetfulness with both parties, The people advocating paying at the end here have no trust in the providers without the leverage of payment after services are rendered. Just about exact opposites.
Besides posting about girls that are a rip off, it would stand to reason to post ways to prevent getting ripped off. Not paying upfront and you not paying for a room until she arrives at the agreed upon location.
I'll bet if all of us paid after instead of upfront 90% of the rip offs wouldn't happen. IMO.
You don't have trust at the very first meeting. Through repeat visits trust is built up. How many visits it takes before trust is established depends on her and your comfort level. Even with trust you still have to keep your guard up. I still and always will pay afterwards.
RideMyFace
10-10-21, 11:41
I will chime in with my experience as well. I will go with the consensus here that any girls you see through EB or STG (and obviously higher end as well though my experience there is limited) you will have a worse time or more than likely will be asked to leave if you refuse to pay until after the session. I'm sure some girls might put up with that but I would imagine it would be the minority of girls so you would spend way too much time setting up a date then going to see some girl then leaving immediately since you didn't want to pay until after. So IMO that is a pretty awful strategy to avoid ripoffs. Once you have seen enough ads over the years you can do a pretty good job of filtering legit from not and avoid all out ripoffs for the most part. I want to add that lackluster services are much more common than outright stealing and is a much bigger problem when seeing new girls, but that's another discussion.
On the other hand when it comes to SWers, in that scenario it is pretty much essential you pay after or you are inviting a ripoff of some sort, but again that is another story than this discussion. One last bit of info to add about ripoffs from my experience, I have had hundreds of dates over the past 5 years or so and I believe I have been actually stolen from 3 times. Two of those happened where the girl asked me to meet her outside (both at lower end motels) then we went up to the room and some pimp comes in almost immediately with some story that sees you out with no service or money. So anytime a girl asks to meet outside I am a little weary because of this, I'm guessing the plan is / was to have the pimp (s) get a look at you before they decide to rob you. That being said I have had dates where they met outside and it was fine, but its very rare for a girl to do this and if they do, be extra cautious is my advice.
Ill bet that a decent percentage of guys have forgot to pay upfront with girls they have seen before and have good comfort levels with and I would put myself in that group but that is due to trust, comfort and forgetfulness with both parties, The people advocating paying at the end here have no trust in the providers without the leverage of payment after services are rendered. Just about exact opposites.That's definitely happened to me with some regulars. We eventually stopped even discussing money or time and just got into it. Most of the time I remembered to leave the money there. Sometimes she didn't see where I put it and asked me later, but sometimes I would forget, but always made good so there was never a problem.
But again, that's not the same as "never pay anybody upfront ever". I can't imagine any of the hundreds of girls I've seen would have been ok with that. Certainly none of the dozens of girls I've reviewed on this site.
I was curious to see the review history of the people advocating for this "don't pay upfront" philosophy, but strangely I couldn't find any reviews. Like. . .any reviews. Makes me wonder if it's more of a philosophical advocacy than an actual practice.
Maybe I'm not understanding the advantages of paying upfront. Can you pay upfront guys tell me?
1) You actually get to have sex with the provider!
2) You don't get kicked out of the room.
3) You don't get blacklisted as a time waster.
4) Not get mocked for horrible advice.
Maybe I'm not understanding the advantages of paying upfront. Can you pay upfront guys tell me?
Member #1117
10-10-21, 16:05
Maybe I'm not understanding the advantages of paying upfront. Can you pay upfront guys tell me?In my years of the hobby, if a girl asks for it up front I will give it. Why? Because very rarely do I see a gal that hasn't been reviewed. Also, out of my years I can count on one hand getting screwed over. Straight up cash and dash with comical car chase. Two decided to change the agreed terms, one running out to a car. Most women are afraid of us mongers cashing and dashing, which honestly I believe happens way more than you think.
I get that you want to protect yourself from getting ripped off but you make the woman uneasy by doing that. Obviously, if you see a woman multiple times it usually isn't an issue. I would probably change my tune if it happened repeatedly but for me it's 99% success rate.
Maybe I'm not understanding the advantages of paying upfront. Can you pay upfront guys tell me?It puts their mind at ease and takes money off the table as an issue immediately. They're not thinking about whether I am going to stiff them or if I brought enough. It gets it out of the way and we move on.
It's the default routine and what they all expect and what 99% of men who visit them are comfortable complying with.
I've never heard or seen a scenario where a known girl has deviated from that just because a guy was already there and tried to coerce her but I've heard plenty of stories where girls have refused service to a guy who refused to pay upfront and subsequently blacklisted him.
There may be girls around who are newer, lower end, or have varying states of desperation who are more flexible but it is not worth alienating a lot of well reviewed women to try that on. You do that to the wrong girl and you'll end up locked out of the legit market entirely and stuck with $60 qv women forever.
Most are valid points.
You lose your advantage by paying upfront. You guys have been lucky so far. I was a pay upfront proponent at the ground level in this game. But when I got ripped off paying upfront that experience changed my perspective in the game. I'm going to still pay after the session is over. If I miss out on a great time with a girl that wants payment upfront, then so be it. There are plenty enough girls in this game to see. Your money is the only leverage and advantage you have when dealing with these girls. Just be careful paying upfront.
I can't remember if I wrote this in my review of Julia / Jules in Rogers Park but I gave her the money right when I walked in. I knew she was legit (reviews were good, she's older, there's video of her on EB). She told me when I handed the money that she likes seeing 30+ guys so much more because they understand what's happening. She stopped seeing guys in their 20's because they're haggling over money, showing up drunk, and just generally acting like idiots. But she led with the money thing. But I haven't messed with street walkers. I can see why that would require a different approach.
Most are valid points.
You lose your advantage by paying upfront. You guys have been lucky so far. I was a pay upfront proponent at the ground level in this game. But when I got ripped off paying upfront that experience changed my perspective in the game. I'm going to still pay after the session is over. If I miss out on a great time with a girl that wants payment upfront, then so be it. There are plenty enough girls in this game to see. Your money is the only leverage and advantage you have when dealing with these girls. Just be careful paying upfront.Who are some of your favorite providers in the area?
Most are valid points.
You lose your advantage by paying upfront. You guys have been lucky so far. I was a pay upfront proponent at the ground level in this game. But when I got ripped off paying upfront that experience changed my perspective in the game. I'm going to still pay after the session is over. If I miss out on a great time with a girl that wants payment upfront, then so be it. There are plenty enough girls in this game to see. Your money is the only leverage and advantage you have when dealing with these girls. Just be careful paying upfront.I agree 100%. These women seem to think that since they own the pussy that they are in charge. I feel that by not paying upfront, we control the situation. If they don't like it, fine, I can go get pussy elsewhere. The problem fot the women is that most of them need your money for their next night's room fee and their next fix. Do not allow them to have the power!
IndigoWalk
10-11-21, 17:17
I agree 100%. These women seem to think that since they own the pussy that they are in charge. I feel that by not paying upfront, we control the situation. If they don't like it, fine, I can go get pussy elsewhere. The problem fot the women is that most of them need your money for their next night's room fee and their next fix. Do not allow them to have the power!I'm a pay upfront kind of guy. Here's some examples of why I think that's the best approach:
These {Car dealerships} seem to think that since they own the {cars} that they are in charge. I feel that by not paying {the car dealership} upfront, we control the situation. If they don't like it, fine, I can go get {a car} elsewhere. The problem fot the {Car dealership} is that most of them need your money for their {rent and employee payroll}. Do not allow them to have the power.
I don't think many car dealerships are going to let you drive off in a car without cash down, and / or a contract. Those are the defined limits of the transaction. And the shady used car dealers that rip you off are going to go out of business reasonably quickly / and we have ways. Like YELP, (or TER or this board) of finding out about them. That's both "reasonable and customary".
Even if you substitute {restaurant} in the above you are going to end up paying, maybe a discounted rate, maybe not, unless you dine and dash. Maybe no tip, but everyone is going to work towards a mutually agreeable transaction within the defined limits of the reasonable and customary roles of the seller and the buyer relationship. Some things the restaurant just can't or won't do. But you don't get to order a Filet Mignon from McDonalds and not pay for the Big Mac you just ordered and was given to you.
There's a lot of strong language in this thread like "advantage," "leverage", "control" & "power" that seem like they go well beyond the reasonable and customary limits around mutual consent. It's not how I roll, but I understand we are all here for different reasons.
I agree 100%. These women seem to think that since they own the pussy that they are in charge. I feel that by not paying upfront, we control the situation. If they don't like it, fine, I can go get pussy elsewhere. The problem fot the women is that most of them need your money for their next night's room fee and their next fix. Do not allow them to have the power!Grand Slam, Touchdown, Slam Dunk!
Someone finally understands what I'm saying.
I'm a pay upfront kind of guy. Here's some examples of why I think that's the best approach:
These {Car dealerships} seem to think that since they own the {cars} that they are in charge. I feel that by not paying {the car dealership} upfront, we control the situation. If they don't like it, fine, I can go get {a car} elsewhere. The problem fot the {Car dealership} is that most of them need your money for their {rent and employee payroll}. Do not allow them to have the power.
I don't think many car dealerships are going to let you drive off in a car without cash down, and / or a contract. Those are the defined limits of the transaction. And the shady used car dealers that rip you off are going to go out of business reasonably quickly / and we have ways. Like YELP, (or TER or this board) of finding out about them. That's both "reasonable and customary".
Even if you substitute {restaurant} in the above you are going to end up paying, maybe a discounted rate, maybe not, unless you dine and dash. Maybe no tip, but everyone is going to work towards a mutually agreeable transaction within the defined limits of the reasonable and customary roles of the seller and the buyer relationship. Some things the restaurant just can't or won't do. But you don't get to order a Filet Mignon from McDonalds and not pay for the Big Mac you just ordered and was given to you.
There's a lot of strong language in this thread like "advantage," "leverage", "control" & "power" that seem like they go well beyond the reasonable and customary limits around mutual consent. It's not how I roll, but I understand we are all here for different reasons.Do I get to take the provider for a "test drive" to see if she's right for me? For a sit down restaurant, we pay after the meal. That's what the pro pay-after crowd is saying. You don't pay for a steak in advance & out comes a shriveled, burned piece of meat. No one's saying not to pay. The issue is whether the chances of you getting what you paid for is better dependent on when you pay. And that works both ways for the provider too.
Since girls who accept pay at the end of a appointment seems to be the most closely guarded secret on the board then maybe there is another way to get names attached to this subject. I am sure that all of you guys with your secret harems of pay later girls must not bat 100 percent with your strategy then what is your batting percentage? Now since you aren't willing to give up the names of your fabulous secret harems how about naming the girls who would not go along with your plans so we can either seek them out or eliminate them from future consideration if we are seeking out our own secret harems of pay later girls. Some of you must have got tired of some of your pay later girls and dumped them in favor of new pay later girls, why can't you give their names up?
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