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Cephlapod Love

12-05-16, 20:25

OK, so was looking on line for confirmation of recent prostitution busts on MDA and found this article and video!

http://www.wect.com/story/31765938/the-life-who-is-buying-prostitutes

It is quite instructive as it shows what NOT to do when dating off of BP. Too many of "the rules" were violated!

Here is what I see.

1. Dude walks in the room and there are two ladies in there. BIG RED FLAG! Very few LE decoys will be alone as they could get injured before help could get there! Violation of Rule #16.

2. Then the genius guy actually recognizes one of the Undercover LE girls and says you look just like XYZ! The girl calmly says she is my sister and we are twins! Yeah, right, an LE twin sister is hooking off BP? Give yer head a shake dude! WAKE UP! Think with the Big Head and get the F out of there! It is laughable, he says out loud when I came in the room I said that is Agent XYZ sitting there and if so I am in big trouble! Jeez, dude, when you see that, beat feet out of there! This is just pure stupidity! Guy has ZERO Spidey senses and can't think on his feet for sh*t! Hope others aren't driven by the little head? If so it is time to back off, memorize the rules and take baby steps.

3. When the dude came in the room, he failed to put the safety chain on the door! See it on the right edge of the frame? Rule #18 Of course, read the text and they mention a dude that DID that and LE immediately broke the door down! But if he didn't mention sex for money, or put money out by that point, they have nothing on him and the video evidence to prove such! Oh unless he talked sex for money via text and carrier his cell phone in with him to the date!

4. Obviously he failed to do some recon of the motel as other Johns were staged in the p-lot and agents were in a nearby room so they had access to break the door down! Rule # 15.

5. He never did anything like a cop check, so putting money out or talking about what he wanted to do was idiocy ! Rule #19.

I dunno. Risk management! Learn here or the school of hard knocks!

CL
Mongering looks easy, good, consistently safe mongering is anything but easy!

BallMustard

06-19-17, 18:22

http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_b2a553d0-f4d9-5412-b282-c14b975ccac0.html

DatishKray

06-20-17, 23:00

http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_b2a553d0-f4d9-5412-b282-c14b975ccac0.htmlIt's about time this scum was caught. She posts SO many fake posts on backpage where she pretends to be a completely different girl. It's gotten so bad I stopped bothering with most providers that were hosting in Newark.

Cephlapod Love

04-10-18, 12:35

Indictment Shows Backpage Facilitated Prostitution, But its Shutdown Will Still Hurt Sex Workers

Samantha Cole
Apr 9 2018, 5:15pm

Friday, USA Law enforcement agencies seized Backpage.com, a classifieds website where people posted, among other things, ads for sexual services. Since 2004, when the site went online, it's been a lifeline for consensual sex workers as a place to vet clients and seek help from the community.

The Department of Justice unsealed the charges against Backpage on Monday: A 93-count indictment names seven people, including Backpage co-founders Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin. The indictment lists 50 instances where ads were alleged to have facilitated prostitution and also accuses Lacey and Larkin of money laundering. The full indictment can be found here.

Backpage was shut down soon after the passage of FOSTA, a bill passed last month that will make websites more liable for what users do and say on their platforms. Advocates for FOSTA held up Backpage as the poster-villain for why they claimed we need stronger anti-trafficking protection. Representative Mimi Walters, who supported the bill, applauded it for causing the shutdown on Twitter.

Sen. Kamala Harris, who's waged a years-long battle against Backpageshe brought felony pimping charges against Backpage CEO Carl Ferrer in 2017 and co-sponsored SESTAhas been silent on social media about the site's seizure.

But FOSTA isn't even law, yet: The president still needs to sign the bill, so Backpage was shut down without the statute in place.

The indictment against Backpage does not look good. It summarizes 17 experiences where alleged victims of trafficking passed through the site, and details email correspondences between Backpage staff about how to discuss escort services on the platform. Cosme Lopez, a spokesman for the USA Attorney's Office in Phoenix, told AZ Central that several of the victims were as young as 14 years old. But while Backpage was imperfect and had many flaws, sex workers say that it became critical to their businesses and their safety. Backpage wasn't good, but it was what they had to work with.

Canada-based sex worker at asbinvancity told me in Twitter direct messages that this bill is already impacting her work, even though she's living and working outside the US. Before Backpage's seizure, she was able to screen clients using it. Now, people ask her for services she doesn't provide, people with blocked phone numbers call her, and would-be clients try to reach her through various apps. "The predators are out and about trying to get {sex workers} to lower rates," she said. She has raised her rates to help weed out these clients.

Backpage was an imperfect solution to the problems facing the sex work industry, but for many workers, it was a life raftbeing able to vet clients and post one's own ads freed them from relying on abusive agents and clients. It was the kind of platform that workers warned would be destroyed in FOSTA's wake, and they were right: Even in the days and weeks following its passage in Congress, multiple sex work forums shut down their sites proactively, and even a few tangentially related forums did the same, including fringe-preference dating sites and the Craigslist personals section.

"The impact on sex workers has been immediate: people are pushed out into the street where they're at greater risk of violence, and they are afraid to seek help because their work is criminalized," Jessica Raven, executive director of DC-based advocacy group Collective Action for Safe Spaces (CASS), told me in a Twitter message. "For those who relied on websites to screen clients and engage in sex work, they've lost income that they needed to pay for housing. ".

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gymwam/backpage-taken-down-read-indictment-doj-fbi

Full Indictment here:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf

WhyKnot1081

08-17-18, 11:05

http://www.wboc.com/story/38906073/9-arrested-in-seaford-prostitution-bust

Shampoo55

08-23-19, 15:19

Pgilmo

08-24-19, 17:06

Looks like there was a bust in Newark recently.

On August 8, 2019, officers from Newark Police Street Crimes Unit conducted a reverse prostitution sting targeting individuals attempting to patronize a prostitute. Using various undercover investigative means, officers received contacts from approximately 60

It sounds like these were online adverts.

Anyone have access & can post the full story? Or other reports or info?On August 8, 2019, officers from Newark Police Street Crimes Unit conducted a reverse prostitution sting targeting individuals attempting to patronize a prostitute.

Using various undercover investigative means, officers received contacts from approximately 60 different phone numbers looking to patronize a prostitute within several hours.

During the operation, officers arrested two males for patronizing a prostitute. Both subjects were released on Summonses.

Chief Tiernan has stated that prostitution is not a victimless crime. Often women involved are forced into the activity. Locations, where prostitution occurs, are also frequently the scene of violent crimes and drug use.

The information provided above is from a City of Newark administrative report.

http://firststateupdate.com/2019/08/newark-police-received-60-calls-during-reverse-prostitution-sting/

MorganLuv

09-01-20, 04:44

https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/comments/ceh4m4/showgirls_international_agency/ did someone check them?

MorganLuv

09-13-20, 13:48

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MDFootLover

12-17-20, 21:04

https://outline.com/HSUWb3

Member #7332

04-10-23, 00:09

Antipooh

04-10-23, 06:22

Shampoo55

04-10-23, 14:22

Is it just me, or does this sound like a date gone bad?

Not a fan of car dates. Did it once in millville, NJ and the girl just looked too young so I took her home before doing anything.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/two-charged-with-murder-in-shooting-death-of-man-in-glasgow/article_4293d188-5cfe-54f7-946f-a79e22908fb8.html Two charged with murder in shooting death of man in Glasgow

By Josh and Jane Newark Post

Two people accused of gunning down a motorist in Glasgow last month were arrested Saturday night at a Walmart in Elkton, Md. , police said.

Sierra XYZ, 28, of Newark, and Charles ABC, 44, of Felton, were both charged with first-degree murder, conspiracy and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony. ABC was also charged with possession of a firearm by a person prohibited due to a previous violent felony conviction. Both were jailed after failing to post more than $1 million cash bond.

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Not sure how one gets this as a car date gone bad? Could have been a robbery, car jacking or some other thing gone bad?

BUT if it were a date gone bad, it strongly suggests one use good OpSec when car dating. So, forgive me, another opportunity to step up on the soapbox and provide some "learning" for any newbies or lurkers.

So, as the rules state, I never go to a location the girl selects, I select the location and don't let her know where we are going. I try to maintain control by choosing the location. Also, I make some random turns and take an unusual path to "a spot" to watch and make certain no one is following.

I NEVER scoop a girl if there is some dude around, even Ashley when Paul is tagging along, she needs to separate before I'd scoop.

So IF this was a date gone bad, I suspect that with proper OpSec the whole thing could have been avoided. If that was the case, apparently the dude made some mistakes and paid with his life! Sad.

Like I always say, two ways to learn, "book learning" by reading rules and avoiding the mistakes others make / made, or "experiential learning" or making the mistakes on your own. Why would you risk your life because you refuse to learn from others?

Hey, mongering "looks" easy, but continued, successful and safe mongering is anything but easy.

Just saying.

WTF! Cash Bond? $1 mm Those two ain't going anywhere for a while. Even the Bondsmen want 30% on Cash Bond.

WeatherMan2

04-10-23, 15:32

Two charged with murder in shooting death of man in Glasgow

By Josh and Jane Newark Post

Two people accused of gunning down a motorist in Glasgow last month were arrested Saturday night at a Walmart in Elkton, Md. , police said.

Sierra XYZ, 28, of Newark, and Charles ABC, 44, of Felton, were both charged with first-degree murder, conspiracy and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony. ABC was also charged with possession of a firearm by a person prohibited due to a previous violent felony conviction. Both were jailed after failing to post more than $1 million cash bond.Yoooo that is riann from Elkton / Newark. Holy shit. I saw her like 5 times past 6 months. I actually saw her in February at the deluxe inn in Elkton. I never would have suspected something like this with her. She didn't even seem to be on drugs. Maybe the boyfriend was just super jealous and took it out on that unlucky young man. Could have been me or any of us that was seeing her.

Shampoo55

04-10-23, 20:43

https://dsp.delaware.gov/2023/04/09/update-suspects-arrested-delaware-state-police-investigating-homicide/

Update- Suspects Arrested* Delaware State Police Investigating Homicide

Date Posted: Sunday, April 9th, 2023

Delaware State Police arrested Charles ABC, 44, of Felton, DE, and Sierra XYZ, 28, of Newark, DE for murder and related charges following an incident in March.

On March 19, 2023, at approximately 5:53 a.m., New Castle County Police Department responded to a possible traffic accident on Old County Road. When officers arrived, they located an adult male victim suffering from a gunshot wound inside a vehicle. An examination of the scene revealed that the shooting occurred near the 2400 block of Old County Road, which is within the jurisdiction of the Delaware State Police. The victim was pronounced deceased at the scene.

Further investigation determined the victim pulled onto private property and was parked on Dolphin Drive with a female inside his car. A suspect then parked his vehicle behind the victims and approached him while in the drivers seat. The victim attempted to drive away but was shot by the suspect, causing him to crash into a wooded area. The passenger in the victims vehicle and the suspect then fled the scene together in the suspects vehicle.

Through investigative means, Charles ABC and Sierra XYZ were determined to be the suspects in the homicide. On April 7, 2023, warrants for the arrest of ABC and XYZ were obtained. On April 8, 2023, Charles ABC and Sierra XYZ were contacted in a vehicle in Elkton, Maryland by the Harford County SWAT members and members of the Cecil County Sheriffs Office. During the arrest, the suspects attempted to flee in their vehicle, but were quickly apprehended after crashing it inside a parking lot.

After being medically cleared from an area hospital the suspects were transported to Troop 2 where they were each charged with the following crimes:

Charles ABC

Murder 1stDegree (Felony)
Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Felony (Felony)
Possession of a Firearm by Person Prohibited with a Prior Violent Felony Conviction (Felony)
Conspiracy 2ndDegree (Felony)

ABC was arranged by the Justice of the Peace Court #11 and committed to the Howard R. Young Correctional Institution on a $1,085,000 cash bond.

Sierra XYZ

Murder 1stDegree (Felony)
Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Felony (Felony)
Conspiracy 2ndDegree (Felony)

XYZ was arranged by the Justice of the Peace Court #11 and committed to the Delores J. Baylor Womens Correctional Institution on a $1,065,000 cash bond.

Delaware State Police Investigating Homicide

The Homicide Unit is still actively investigating this incident. Detectives are asking anyone with information regarding this case to contact Detective D. GHJK by calling 302-365-8441. Information may also be provided by sending a Private Facebook Message to the Delaware State Police or contacting Delaware Crime Stoppers at 1-800-847-3333.

Shampoo55

04-10-23, 20:55

Further investigation determined the victim pulled onto private property and was parked on Dolphin Drive with a female inside his car. A suspect then parked his vehicle behind the victims and approached him while in the drivers seat. The victim attempted to drive away but was shot by the suspect, causing him to crash into a wooded area. The passenger in the victims vehicle and the suspect then fled the scene together in the suspects vehicle. Now this detail / part sounds more like a date gone bad!

So sounds like ABC followed the victim and XYZ to where they were going to do a date. Either that OR he had GPS tracking of her phone.

So the OpSec things one could do in this situation:

1) Take measures to make sure you are not followed.

2) Ask the girl to turn her phone off until the date is over, or make sure she isn't texting your location to an accomplice.

3) NEVER park where you can't get away, don't box yourself in. Have seen quite a few reports where dudes think parking in a dead end street is a great idea, er until they get boxed in. Make sure you have ample room to get away if something goes down.

4) While you are doing a date, keep an awareness of your surroundings. One reason I hate car dates, as I am always looking around to see who is coming or not. Don't let anyone pull up on you!

5) Maybe this was a pre-arranged location that XYZ directed the victim to drive to for a date. That's one of the rules, NEVER go to the girl's spot because accomplice could be waiting or at least knows where to find you!

6) If you are gunna get robbed, give up the cash and perhaps the car. Those can be replaced, your life can not.

Member #7332

09-10-23, 23:18

This one used to post frequently on stg.

This is a prime example of spidey sense. Almost ended up there but just didn't feel right. Also, it was at the fairview. I'll never go to a place like that.

https://dsp.delaware.gov/2023/09/05/troopers-arrest-multiple-suspects-on-drugs-and-weapons-offenses/

Savage302

09-11-23, 19:15

Yoooo that is riann from Elkton / Newark. Holy shit. I saw her like 5 times past 6 months. I actually saw her in February at the deluxe inn in Elkton. I never would have suspected something like this with her. She didn't even seem to be on drugs. Maybe the boyfriend was just super jealous and took it out on that unlucky young man. Could have been me or any of us that was seeing her.I remember seeing this in the news when it happened and I usually don't forget a face. Looks like she put some weight on. I've seen her post many times in Elkton and always wanted to go check her out as she was a hottie with a body. But I don't do go to those hotels anymore unless I'm getting the room. These girls always have a roommate and someone in the bathroom. And I also don't do car dates anymore because of things like this article and cash and dash. This absolutely sounds like a "Date" gone wrong. A lot of these girls boyfriends do get jealous from time to time and some even do rob certain individuals they feel are vulnerable. Glad I never went to Riann or Natalie for that matter. Was actually wondering what happened to Riann as she suddenly stopped posting and I had her on my to do list. Looks like her only way out of Baylor is to snitch out her Co D.

Savage302

04-09-24, 13:16

It's been reported that the guy in the below link raped a few of the working girls in New castle. Paige "Deanna " being one of them. I heard from reliable sources that Paige was raped, drugged, beaten up badly than raped again. Also heard from another girl that use to trick at the super lodge that she was also raped by him. So this guy is a monster and obviously is now where he needs to be.

https://6abc.com/amp/andrew-manny-williams-charged-with-multiple-counts-of-rape-in-new-castle-county-delaware/14603706/

Espad67

07-11-25, 15:01

https://www.easternshoreundercover.com/news2/unlicensed-massage-business-investigated-for-illicit-activity-in-seaford.htm

J Richard

07-27-25, 16:46

Never been there, but. . .

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/man-charged-in-strong-arm-robbery-near-newark/article_8847d0a9-3741-4959-8e81-e58bd42a9624.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=nextdoor.com&utm_campaign=nextdoor_news

Armed robbery Newark.

Jayke00

08-08-25, 20:21

DarkMatter5168

04-29-26, 09:25

Nate0110

04-29-26, 11:36

I don't typically frequent the massage places but I thought I'd share this.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/owner-of-newark-area-massage-parlor-arrested-in-human-trafficking-crackdown/article_f89aed0c-1730-4332-855f-9eea41758988.htmlThis is the first article to make me pause going to AMP's. Arresting the mongers? Legally, if they kept their mouth shut nothing to worry about the one mongers name is in article at the end. That is a problem. 2304 Carpenter Station Road was becoming a goto for me. Again, may be time to pause.

Shampoo55

04-29-26, 12:32

Owner of Newark-area massage parlor arrested in human trafficking crackdown

The owner of an unlicensed massage parlor near Newark was arrested last week as part of a nationwide initiative aimed at cracking down on human trafficking.

Police raided the Relaxing Asian / Moon Spa, located at 1919 Capitol Trail, on April 23, according to Master Cpl. XXX YYY, a spokesman for the New Castle County Police Department.

The owner, LLL SSS, 56, of Newark, was arrested. Authorities also located a 45-year-old woman there who is believed to be a victim of human trafficking.

Police searched a Newark house associated with the business and seized $25,000 in cash, $42,000 in gold bars and coins, $16,000 in silver bars and coins, jewelry, two vehicles, a handgun and 36 grams of marijuana.

SSS was charged with promoting prostitution, money laundering, operating an unlicensed massage establishment and criminal nuisance. She was jailed after failing to post $31,000 cash bail.

A 17-year-old boy found at the house was charged with possession of a firearm and ammunition by a person under 21. He was sent to a juvenile detention center after failing to post $10,000 cash bail.

The raid in Newark was part of Operation Coast to Coast, a coordinated nationwide enforcement effort involving more than 250 law enforcement agencies across 30 states.

"The operation, one of the largest anti-human trafficking initiatives ever conducted in the United States, was executed simultaneously with the goals of identifying victims, apprehending traffickers and sex buyers, and seizing criminal proceeds," Chambers said.

Throughout the country, Operation Coast to Coast resulted in the identification of 129 human trafficking victims, including 11 minors and one adult who was seven months pregnant. Investigators also detained 86 men, arrested 53 sex buyers and executed 108 search warrants, including 36 at illicit massage businesses. In addition, more than $500,000 in criminal assets were seized, including cash, gold, silver and vehicles.

In Delaware, the initiative included the New Castle County Police Department's Drug and Human Trafficking Investigations Team, the Delaware Division of Professional Regulation, Delaware Department of Justice, Delaware Anti-Trafficking Council, Homeland Security Investigations and the Elsmere Police Department.

The other raid in Delaware took place at TH Rainbow Spa, located at 2304 Carpenter Station Road in Wilmington. There, authorities located another human trafficking victim and arrested owner MMM CCCC, 44, of Wilmington, and an alleged customer, AAA BBBB, 36, of Aston, Pa.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/owner-of-newark-area-massage-parlor-arrested-in-human-trafficking-crackdown/article_f89aed0c-1730-4332-855f-9eea41758988.html

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So where was ICE? Did they nab the illegal immigrant?

DarkMatter5168

04-29-26, 15:23

This is the first article to make me pause going to AMP's. Arresting the mongers? Legally, if they kept their mouth shut nothing to worry about the one mongers name is in article at the end. That is a problem. 2304 Carpenter Station Road was becoming a goto for me. Again, may be time to pause.I especially like the term "sex buyers". It's very. Factual.

If this game was legal it would be a lot safer for all involved. There will always be a black market I guess but I sure wish I wasn't looking over my shoulders for conducting business with another consenting adult.

BerryMcCockinr

04-30-26, 16:33

I especially like the term "sex buyers". It's very. Factual.

If this game was legal it would be a lot safer for all involved. There will always be a black market I guess but I sure wish I wasn't looking over my shoulders for conducting business with another consenting adult.That consenting adult may be a minor and / or human trafficked. Pretty sure that's why they arrested the mongers.

Shampoo55

04-30-26, 22:34

That consenting adult may be a minor and / or human trafficked. Pretty sure that's why they arrested the mongers.Unless someone has access to the charges or other inside info, we just don't know what is the situation. Not sure it helps the community to guess as to what happened.

IF the dude admitted to paying for sex then he likely gave up his 5th Amendment rights and got jammed up. This is why it is important to understand how to behave during encounters with LE.

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA?si=WDsDZ1c7tRFQmAp6

Most of the "girls" in AMPs are pretty mature women so under-aged is not very likely. And if the girl was trafficked, that has nothing to do with the dude getting a massage from her. Look up the definition of trafficking. It includes force, coercing or fraud to do commercial sex acts. Unless that dude has some control or leverage over her, there is no way he's guilty of Trafficking.

https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking/what-is-human-trafficking

The general problem is that everyone assumes that each and every girl in an AMP must be trafficked. {or that ANY girl engaged in sex work must be trafficked} I mean after all ask any woman and they will tell you NO ONE does sex work out of choice, they must be forced or coerced or something. And the general public doesn't distinguish sex work from 'trafficking' so the system looks like it is doing something when it shuts down sex work in the name of "trafficking."

Sorry, not being combative, just like to keep it real around here.

DarkMatter5168

05-01-26, 00:15

That consenting adult may be a minor and / or human trafficked. Pretty sure that's why they arrested the mongers.That's why I would like for the hobby to be legal. And also why I don't frequent the massage places, I don't know that I'm dealing consensually.

BerryMcCockinr

05-15-26, 14:30

Unless someone has access to the charges or other inside info, we just don't know what is the situation. Not sure it helps the community to guess as to what happened.

IF the dude admitted to paying for sex then he likely gave up his 5th Amendment rights and got jammed up. This is why it is important to understand how to behave during encounters with LE.

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA?si=WDsDZ1c7tRFQmAp6

Most of the "girls" in AMPs are pretty mature women so under-aged is not very likely. And if the girl was trafficked, that has nothing to do with the dude getting a massage from her. Look up the definition of trafficking. It includes force, coercing or fraud to do commercial sex acts. Unless that dude has some control or leverage over her, there is no way he's guilty of Trafficking.

https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking/what-is-human-trafficking

The general problem is that everyone assumes that each and every girl in an AMP must be trafficked. {or that ANY girl engaged in sex work must be trafficked} I mean after all ask any woman and they will tell you NO ONE does sex work out of choice, they must be forced or coerced or something. And the general public doesn't distinguish sex work from 'trafficking' so the system looks like it is doing something when it shuts down sex work in the name of "trafficking."

Sorry, not being combative, just like to keep it real around here.Just going by what the article said.

"Authorities also located a 45-year-old woman there who is believed to be a victim of human trafficking.

Throughout the country, Operation Coast to Coast resulted in the identification of 129 human trafficking victims, including 11 minors and one adult who was seven months pregnant".

Not sure what they got the mongers for but obvi they need proof. And apparently you can be liable for trafficking even if you weren't aware and should have known. Same if the girl lies about her age or you didn't know her age.

Shampoo55

05-15-26, 14:49

Not sure what they got the mongers for but obvi they need proof. And apparently you can be liable for trafficking even if you weren't aware and should have known. Same if the girl lies about her age or you didn't know her age.Sorry I'm not down for speculation as it has a negative effect on the community that is needless.

Please explain to me how one as a patron "can be liable for trafficking even if you weren't aware and should have known"?

From the US Department of Justice.

What is Human Trafficking?

Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons, is a crime that involves compelling or coercing a person to provide labor or services, or to engage in commercial sex acts. The coercion can be subtle or overt, physical or psychological. Exploitation of a minor for commercial sex is human trafficking, regardless of whether any form of force, fraud, or coercion was used.

So how does a monger going into an establishment to get a massage or body rub end up in the "compelling or coercing" side of things? Sure LE can charge anyone with anything, but a patron getting charged with trafficking seems like a real STRETCH of the laws and in fact a novel application that likely would not survive scrutiny.

Nowhere in the article does it say there were under-aged girls in Delaware. Most of the girls that end up in this area are well above 21, because if you look closely you'll see the wrinkles. Since Asians always look younger to western men, where a 35-yo looks to be 21, I can't imagine what an under-aged girl would look like and not be easily detected.

If there are other facts, please share.

BerryMcCockinr

05-15-26, 15:46

Sorry I'm not down for speculation as it has a negative effect on the community that is needless.

Please explain to me how one as a patron "can be liable for trafficking even if you weren't aware and should have known"?

From the US Department of Justice.

What is Human Trafficking?

Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons, is a crime that involves compelling or coercing a person to provide labor or services, or to engage in commercial sex acts. The coercion can be subtle or overt, physical or psychological. Exploitation of a minor for commercial sex is human trafficking, regardless of whether any form of force, fraud, or coercion was used.

So how does a monger going into an establishment to get a massage or body rub end up in the "compelling or coercing" side of things? Sure LE can charge anyone with anything, but a patron getting charged with trafficking seems like a real STRETCH of the laws and in fact a novel application that likely would not survive scrutiny.

Nowhere in the article does it say there were under-aged girls in Delaware. Most of the girls that end up in this area are well above 21, because if you look closely you'll see the wrinkles. Since Asians always look younger to western men, where a 35-yo looks to be 21, I can't imagine what an under-aged girl would look like and not be easily detected.

If there are other facts, please share.I didn't mean mongers were arrested for trafficking, just that's why they busted the place. I responded to DarkMatter who was talking about conducting business with another consenting adult. Hence they bust these places b / c some are not consenting adults. However, apparently you can be liable for a crime, although yes generally you would have to know. See attached.

Never said that place had underage girls just speaking in general, as they found 11 minors throughout the country. But it has happened in the area, we all know about WHFT.

Shampoo55

05-15-26, 16:48

I didn't mean mongers were arrested for trafficking, just that's why they busted the place. I responded to DarkMatter who was talking about conducting business with another consenting adult. Hence they bust these places b / c some are not consenting adults. However, apparently you can be liable for a crime, although yes generally you would have to know. See attached.

Never said that place had underage girls just speaking in general, as they found 11 minors throughout the country. But it has happened in the area, we all know about WHFT.

No you responded to my post - check the posts.....Hey not looking to debate anyone, just think we need to read the stuff carefully.

That first line of you picture needs some context - as does everything with the law.

yes, engaging in commercial sex with a trafficked person is a crime in the United States

What this says to this chair is that because "commercial sex" is a crime in the USA then it is also a crime with a trafficked person. It also means it is a crime with a non-trafficked person. IT does NOT imply that commercial sex with a trafficked person makes that person liable for the crime of trafficking. I would want to dig more into the EXACT details of the reference. Learned from a boss long time ago that one needs to go to the original source of something and be careful relying on someone else's interpretation. So ChatGPT summarized that in a way that is to this chair is miss leading. Prostitution is illegal in all of the USA, but a few counties in NV. So it would make sense to define further what has been summarized.

And this position, that one is not guilty of "trafficking" is supported by that second paragraph. A person has to knowingly engage in commercial sex with a trafficked person.

But who on this site going to a parlor is looking for sex?? Aren't most going for a legitimate service. Massage / body rub?

In Delaware solicitation is illegal but is a misdemeanor crime.

MansRuin

05-18-26, 17:45

No you responded to my post - check the posts.....Hey not looking to debate anyone, just think we need to read the stuff carefully.

That first line of you picture needs some context - as does everything with the law.

yes, engaging in commercial sex with a trafficked person is a crime in the United States

What this says to this chair is that because "commercial sex" is a crime in the USA then it is also a crime with a trafficked person. It also means it is a crime with a non-trafficked person. IT does NOT imply that commercial sex with a trafficked person makes that person liable for the crime of trafficking. I would want to dig more into the EXACT details of the reference. Learned from a boss long time ago that one needs to go to the original source of something and be careful relying on someone else's interpretation. So ChatGPT summarized that in a way that is to this chair is miss leading. Prostitution is illegal in all of the USA, but a few counties in NV. So it would make sense to define further what has been summarized.

And this position, that one is not guilty of "trafficking" is supported by that second paragraph. A person has to knowingly engage in commercial sex with a trafficked person..To add there is some states that also charge RICO.

I've been through this. But I have a very specific taste in girls. Show up wrong place you're list of charges will be attempted rape, solicitation, trafficking, traveling to meet a minor, if you had a video and camera and agreed to what was going to happen add add porn production, throw in two bottles of lube and plan b and bag with panty collection.

Yeah. All class A and B felonies. If you're lucky they drop it all but the solicitation.

Shampoo55

05-19-26, 15:37

To add there is some states that also charge RICO.

I've been through this. But I have a very specific taste in girls. Show up wrong place you're list of charges will be attempted rape, solicitation, trafficking, traveling to meet a minor, if you had a video and camera and agreed to what was going to happen add add porn production, throw in two bottles of lube and plan b and bag with panty collection.

Yeah. All class A and B felonies. If you're lucky they drop it all but the solicitation.Wow! That sounds pretty extreme and out there, but never surprised at what LE might do. Sorry for your bad experience!

Years ago we had a dude who got jammed up on drug felonies when girl came out of trap house and hopped in his car for a pre-Arranged date. She had just bought, abandoned drugs in HIS car and claimed she bought them for him.

But what you described, Sounds like the script from the old Hansen TV show, "To Catch A Predator. " Was that in DE or somewhere's else? What is the background to that situation. An online advert? Contact through social media? Some kind of LE sting operation? AMP?

Inquiring minds want to know.

MansRuin

05-19-26, 17:51

Wow! That sounds pretty extreme and out there, but never surprised at what LE might do. Sorry for your bad experience!

Years ago we had a dude who got jammed up on drug felonies when girl came out of trap house and hopped in his car for a pre-Arranged date. She had just bought, abandoned drugs in HIS car and claimed she bought them for him.

But what you described, Sounds like the script from the old Hansen TV show, "To Catch A Predator. " Was that in DE or somewhere's else? What is the background to that situation. An online advert? Contact through social media? Some kind of LE sting operation? AMP?

Inquiring minds want to know.I'll put it this way they are a lot less forgiving if you're looking on social media. The stg ones not always and it depends on the state as long as you don't show up 80-90% you're ok. If you're talking of course chances increases even without meeting but most that does was very vulgar, sent or ask for pictures. Stg of course. If you're looking on social media for specific types of girls whole different ball game. They are more likely to charge even without meeting.

But d'S Can and will twist a simple charge into something much worse. Usually for leverage to deal.

If you play with fire you will get burned when it comes to specific girls.

BerryMcCockinr

06-12-26, 22:06

No you responded to my post - check the posts.....Hey not looking to debate anyone, just think we need to read the stuff carefully.

That first line of you picture needs some context - as does everything with the law.

yes, engaging in commercial sex with a trafficked person is a crime in the United States

What this says to this chair is that because "commercial sex" is a crime in the USA then it is also a crime with a trafficked person. It also means it is a crime with a non-trafficked person. IT does NOT imply that commercial sex with a trafficked person makes that person liable for the crime of trafficking. I would want to dig more into the EXACT details of the reference. Learned from a boss long time ago that one needs to go to the original source of something and be careful relying on someone else's interpretation. So ChatGPT summarized that in a way that is to this chair is miss leading. Prostitution is illegal in all of the USA, but a few counties in NV. So it would make sense to define further what has been summarized.

And this position, that one is not guilty of "trafficking" is supported by that second paragraph. A person has to knowingly engage in commercial sex with a trafficked person.

But who on this site going to a parlor is looking for sex?? Aren't most going for a legitimate service. Massage / body rub?

In Delaware solicitation is illegal but is a misdemeanor crime.LOL you really like to argue about nothing. I orginally responded to darkmatter, post 30, and then you responded to me. Point being, I said *apparently* you *can* be liable. Feel free to fact check the should have known standard and get back to us, Mr. KnowItAll.