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Son House

12-14-02, 13:41

There were lots of SWs and LE on Van Buren last night after 9:00. The LE has started closing off the side streets next to the Capri making it difficult to turn around and keeping most of the SW on Van Buren. All the action last night was between the Desert Wind and the liquor store east of the Capri. Saw a couple white or light skinned Hispanic girls that really stood out. A blonde and a red head that, from what I saw, wouldn't get in anyone’s car. Has anyone had them?
I ended up picking Lonnie & Tiffany in front of the liquor store. Both black, very cute & well built. I actually only wanted Lonnie, but her, what turned out to be an obnoxious and not willing to work, friend-jumped in too. Lonnie is very cute and slightly darker than the other girl if you see them working together. We agreed to a full hour, cum as many times as I could with both of them, including them eating each other out for $150. They originally wanted $200.
Okay date. I was right in my feeling Lonnie was the better of the 2. She ate her friend out for 30 minutes while I banged her from behind and received a CBJ from Tiffany. Got the full hour and came twice, but they kept complaining about there pimps and the stroll and shit I didn't wanted to hear about. Tiffany was really obnoxious and became unwilling to do anything, but get ate out by her friend. At one point she was talking dirty and out of nowhere yelled in my ear. Didn't get the drug feeling from her either-she’s more on the crazy/dangerous side. Luckily, Lonnie was hot and did most of the work.
Afterwards, they both wanted rides to opposite ends of town. Guess who got left. Lonnie appoligized for her friend and gave me contact info on the way home. Full cost was $180 since the Desert Wind saw me bringing 2 girls in and charged $30. $30 and they wouldn't give me a key to the room. Fuckers!

I have no problems that couple of black hookers in a motel room cant make me forget. Stop wasting your time in Mesa...

The House

GhettoC

12-14-02, 14:10

Anyone know of any action on 19th Ave? I used to see some SW north of Glendale up to Peoria. Latley seems its dead......

SuperDick

12-14-02, 18:23

I havent seen any action on 19th ave for a long time, may want to try 15th ave and hatcher area/sunnyslope.. also want to try 27th ave from VB to northern.. some action there.....

Merlin Magician

12-14-02, 22:26

Cruised Hatcher today on a whim. Went from Cave Creek to 19th Ave. Did not see a thing. Went down 19th Ave. toward Indian School. it was dead as hell. Nada, zilch.

Went toward Glendale and found one wore out old crack ho at the Food City on Bethany Home and 27th Ave. I passed.

Took a look up 27th Ave to Northern and found a real clean looking cutie blonde at the intersection. Went to turn around and go back to closer examine and maybe negotiate. Some dude on a Harley scooped her up. Oh well...

Merlin Magician

12-15-02, 13:21

Took another run down 27th Ave. last nite. Went from McDowell to Northern. Nothing around Indian School which was unsual. Saw two prospects around Northern. One was a skanky 40's red head which I have seen on 35th Ave and Glendale on some days.

The other was a trashy little 30's blonde jiggling and jumping around like she was high as hell.

I was hoping to catch the tall leggy brunette with a trim ass I've seen in the area of 43rd Ave and Glendale for a couple of years. She is a druggie but those incredible legs go to her armpits. She sometimes goes by Michelle. Others in the know say she goes by Donnie also.

I went home and watched Sopranos re-runs.

SanDawg

12-15-02, 16:57

azanluver,

Don't I wish each was performed to completion. No, each was a succession that led to the finale. First the HJ, then BBBJ, then CFS, then she whips off the jimmy and BBBJ till CIM. I like your idea better, but don't know if I could ring the bell that many times in such a short time frame.

SanDawg

Azanluver

12-15-02, 17:16

Sandawg
Thanks for the info. I would be impressed if you could have pulled off all 3, I know I wouldn't be able to. Still sounds like a good deal and worth the visit.

SuperDick

12-16-02, 01:54

well, merlin, i think i may have found the trashy blonde, i spotted a small petite blonde, really cute, wearing sunglasses??!! at night, lol... she was around the area of 27th ave and northern, i spotted her, picked her up, really nice demeanor, didnt see high at all, gave me a nice cbj for $20, good deep throat action and ball licking, and even moaned, she also have me access to roam her body and play with her tits, and bald shaved pussy, would have offered $40 for fs, but the cbj was great, was wearing a black beanie cap, has freckles, no makeup 30 years old...pretty fun time....

Buster Cherry

12-16-02, 21:27

Superdick, I know that girl. Yes, she is a damn good deal. Prolly the best CBJ on 27th Ave. Seems like when I see her tho, she is high most of the time. She is a very nice person. Too bad she is a doper.

Ossano

12-16-02, 22:21

Looks like the St. action is picking up. The holidays... But there are some gals lookin for cash, eh? I have to give all of mine to the friends & family (I'm not pissed about it tho - I have fun eleven & 1/2 months a year). I get my bonus in Jan, so I should have some fun then! So, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! Valerie (prev post) doesn't want public posts right now, but that situation may change. I'll keep up on it (esp. the "UP"). Carolyn, I have had sporadic contact with, but no date. I'll keep tryin'. I should release her # right now, but I'll try a couple more times. Must go to a Scotts. escort with the bonus check in Jan. (& I know the one!). BE SAFE! HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! Prolly post next Yr...

UnTold

12-18-02, 00:10

Son House: Everything around 27th Ave and VB is mostly car dating. There are several factories and many dead end streets north and south of VB that accommodate car dating. Stay as far away from VB as possible. Also don’t go down the side streets of which you picked up the girl. LE tends to usually cruise up and down the Avenues the girls congregate on, then circling back to VB a few blocks over. I have found that taking ladies north on 31st Ave across I-10 to the residential areas a few blocks north of McDowell road is great for car dating. Most of them never mind as long as you take them back to there general area’s. Since the streets north of McDowell and the Ave’s east and west of 31st Ave are not known SG’s, there is not much of an LE problem in that area. It is also a bigger area to play hide your car in. After this post, LE is probably going to more cruising on McDowell now!

UnTold

12-18-02, 00:15

I also finally made it to the new massage establishment in Youngtown. The Body Work Shop at 113th Ave It closes early at 9PM, as I found out the other night. I went there about 9PM and the last two cars in the parking lot were pulling away. The place is located near a retirement home and some medical offices.

I finally went another day at a time when they were open. WARNING: Don’t do like I did and walk in the wrong door, because you will be stepping into a podiatrist’s office next door. Although there is a big BANNER saying MASSAGE on the building, the doors are not marked that well.

The massage rates are competitive with pretty much the rest of the valley, no problem there. The massage I received was very good, although it was a little rushed. The lady I saw said she get $250 for extras, and no FS. Well I thought, jeez, this place is owned by Glendale Massage and their other two places are known to be SPENDY on the extras. Why did I maybe assume that this Body Work Shop would be any different?

After my slightly rushed massage, I finally talked her into a nude BBBJ for $160 which I figured was better than the $250 she first quoted. I must say, other than the Scottsdale PRICES in Youngtown, I got a very good massage with a very nice finish from a good looking shapely young lady! I may try a different girl in the near future to see if SPENDY is the norm at Body Work Shop or it may be YMMV as I have seen at their 59th Ave Kneading Muscles Massage.

Since I had not heard any reviews of this place yet, I figured I was going to be a the test mule. I saw good looking ladies, just not worth the dollars, especially if no FS is available.

Mystic Pimp

12-19-02, 01:01

Here's a question for you Valley residents: Which city in the valley (besides Phoenix) is the best place to go for "adult" entertainment in any form? If you think Phoenix itself is the only place to go, what's the reasoning for that?

UnTold

12-19-02, 03:55

NotoriousPoppa: In my humble opinion, I would say PHOENIX. Rationale: The "adult" entertainment industry has so much more to chose from in Phoenix as compared to some of the surrounding "one horse towns" so to speak. Too many people and too much to keep track of, so you tend to get more mileage for your dollar as compared to Scottsdale, Glendale, Mesa or Tempe, where the ESTABLISHMENTS in the neighboring cities have less competition, so sometimes they tend to hold you hostage.

For example, try a table dance at Scottsdales BABES titty bar. Then go to Candy Store in North Phoenix. SAME caliber of ladies, but in Scottsdale the girls air dance for you for 10-20 dollar tips. At the Candy Store you get some serious bump and grinding on your third member for just 5 dollars. Same goes for Massages, Escorts, (INCALL and OUTCALL) etc. etc. Just like anything else, in Phoenix, YMMV in some places, but it just seems to be the trend that outlying towns tend to rip you off, especially in Scottsdale, where some of the ladies think they got some body parts lined with gold!

I have noticed that the STREET ACTION in the outlying towns, which are more novice to the street walking scene than PHOENIX's Van Buren; you can land a foxy lady for the same amount as a crack-ho hooker in central Phoenix. (Try Avondale's or Goodyear's Buckeye Road, Mesa's Country Club and Main, or even Tempes University and Mill Road. Although it is rare to see a lady in those outlying areas, they are usually prime young ladies with more of the girl next door look when you find them.) (You could include Hatcher and Central in Sunnyslope, but I believe that is still a part of Phoenix!)

So I don't think Pheonx is the only place to go, it just seems there is more variey and competiton that keeps more dollars in your pocket as you romp around the valley. Bottom line is Phoenix may give you, "More Bang for your BUCK!" There is so much more out there, and once you get you KINK on, you tend to know where to go for your particular flavor of "adult" entertainment you want, and know what town it is in.

badmojo

12-19-02, 19:40

UnTold: I totally agree except most of the Asian massage places are in Scottsdale. The only good one in Phoenix I can think of is that one on Central south of Camelback. That is if it's still there, I haven't been in awhile. Scottsdale has One Spa, Rainbow, JSpa & Yen just to name a few. Most are also priced well, especially if they know you. At least that's been my experience.

SummerSausage

12-20-02, 17:49

Being a west side resident, thought I'd mention that I've seen a pick up of activity around Northern/Glendale and 19th/35th ave. The quality is poor though, 2 maybe 3 with the top being 4. I know this because that is how many teeth they have. Dropped them off right after the courtesy look. My crusing is during the day time so I'm sure there is more activity at night.

Tried around Hatcher and found several SG but also poor quality.

Untold, I found that massage parlor you mentioned. Just checked prices etc. There is also two more not far away from that spot. One is on 111th ave. and the other is a Viet shop just South off Grand and about 112th in a strip mall. Tried that one about 6 weeks ago or so. the cutest little thing worked and I think lived in the back room. No extras provided but the excitement and good massage just about killed me.

New AMP (chinese) I checked out on 59 and T-bird. No FS and all other extras high priced. Good looking ladies though and HJ for good. Also checked out another AMP on or about 35th or 43rd aves. north of Bethaney I think. Had a cute Korean greet me at the window. Was brought to a room and then a older white chick 5 or 6 came in. Deflated the blood sausage quickly. Was given the usual overtures for extras but I declined.

Sausage

UnTold

12-20-02, 18:11

badmojo: The Asian Massage places are OK, but I used to use PATAYAH when it was located near Thomas and 40th St. I have been to several countries throughout Asia and I know that these U.S. versions of Asian Massage establishments can't even hold a candle to their Asian counterparts. The Asian establishments here are nothing more than parodies of the real thing, so I don't enjoy them as much. PATAYAH was the closest to to the Asian experience as I had seen, but still not even close by those standards.

I always had a WILD EXPERIENCE everytime I went to an Asian MP in Asia, I just wish the Arizona Asian MP's could do the same. A true Asian massage would be AWESOME if these ladies got their shit together. From my experience and from other's stories, YMMV when seeing these ladies in Arizona.

Regardless of my overseas experience, I agree with badmojo, you can still have lots of FUN at local Asian MP's; just call me JADED and sort of biased to what I want from them and what I know I can get from them.

Merlin Magician

12-21-02, 12:50

Summer Sausage, that place on 43rd north of Bethany is now the Red Butterfly. Used to be Zuchiki Accupressure. New operator there now but sounds like the same routine as before. You get a great massage from one lady but then she brings in the "bell ringer," so to speak.

In my experience there before, this was the case and they managed to con me into more time. I got a fabulous massage from a Philipino lady. She noticed that extras may be necessary. She said, "No worry. We take care of you." Then, of course, the "ringer" came in and she was topless dynamite. Nina was her name. She was Korean. It was well worth the run.

I wonder where is Nina now......sigh...

There is another place south of Bethany on 43rd Ave called Stressed Out Massage. I saw a very cute and petite Asian therapist in their lobby yesterday. My friend has tried it but he says service is rushed and extras are maybe reasonable. He said his therapist was not really much above a 5.

Buster Cherry

12-22-02, 13:07

I read about the massage places in Youngtown (by Sun City). Took a snoop- around look Saturday and found 4 or so. Uni Day Spa on 112th St, the Bodywork massage on 113th st., the Viet Nam Lady on 111th, and one I didn't expect, Margie's behind a dress shop at about Youngtown and 111th. I'm willing to bet if I go back and look further, I may find more.

Even a blind hog can uproot an acorn once in a while.

Did a little checking on the VietNam lady and Margie's but no info available. Anybody?

Buster Cherry

12-22-02, 13:15

As to the high number of massage licenses in Scottsdale (142) I got my answer where I did not think to look. A lot of Hair Salons and Nail Salons also have massage licenses and these are not the "traditional" punter oriented establishments. So this is to say that there are not a high number of Rainbow Spa/One Spa type operations in Snootsdale, although there are still more than plenty to go around.

SuperDick

12-23-02, 02:46

looks like the VB street scene picked up a bit just before xmas.. got RIPPED off . by this light skinned black girl called destiny or something, blonish hair, thick about 140 pounds, but she has these HUGE 40 DDD natural tits!! (she told me her measurements) she agreed to $60 suck and fuck, but then in the room she said titty fuck?? what, i just started laughing.. i asked her how much for regular sex, she said $200 , i laughed even harder... anyway, she wasnt going to give up the pussy for less than $200, so we did a cbj and a nice titty fuck for $60, i was a bit pissed off.. and i told her i would post about her on the internet..

UnTold

12-23-02, 12:45

Superdick: At least you got some kid of action. About a year ago, I made the biggest mistake of being LAZY. A young blonde, very good looking and did not look like the usual run down crack head offered her goods to me. She wanted a room, but said if I got her a room at a motel away from VB, a nicer motel/hotel, and not one of the by the hour ones, she would consider it part of my date's payment. She said she was going to stay there the rest of the night, and I could stay for awhile (which I assumed meant until I nutted!) She even let me pick out a motel, so I figured she was OK. After I thought about this, I told her I did not like the idea of renting a room in my name for her, and I was not going to be responsible for the room after I left. She said, "No problem, I'll get the room, I got ID, you just wait out front while I get the room key." and she said it with such sincerity, I let her take the 60 dollars into the lobby. I could see the lobby from where I was parked. (Here is where I should have gone in with her, hence me being lazy and trusting!) Well she walked right to the front desk, chatted with the gal for a few seconds, then walked around the corner out of view. I went it to the lobby after a few minutes and the gal at the front desk said she just asked where the bathroom was. I figured I may be jumping the gun; she just may have had to go to the bathroom. So I waited another few minutes and then went into the bathroom. No one was in there. As you probably figured, she was gone, with my 60 bucks in hand. The gal at the front desk said she did not come back. I said thanks and left. I immediately drove around all of all the exits of the motel and then some of the side streets. She was GONE.

I heard later that this girl and a few others were pulling these similar scams. They used excuses in trade for the date; they needed a room for their babies, kids, to get away from their horrible pimp, etc. etc...

(I had a friend who was the night manager at one of the 24/7 convenience stores on VB. You can learn a lot about the SG's in that area since many of them shop there. Also you would be amazed of how many SG/SW's you can get hooked up with, or even their phone numbers when visiting a friend working at a 24/7 convenience store on VB!)

But Superdick, at least you GOT something for your money. I got TAKEN and that was it!

And BTW, I think I may have posted something about this SCAM back when it happened on some of the forums, but nothing really happened, she was still ripping people off. (Well I heard from several girls that she is no longer on the streets of Phoenix, rumor was she scammed and pissed off the wrong dude, and no one had seen her. Personally I think she left Phoenix to another city to play her games.) I just don’t think that if you even threaten them about POSTING on the internet, most SG’s really don’t have the internet or even care. Also many a SG uses a different name every time you asked them. So Mildred today is Becky tomorrow, so posting their names has no effect. I even remember picking up a nice looking, big breasted Hispanic girl on 27th Ave and VB on several different occasions. One day she was Precious, and a week later she was Mariah. She gave me a few other names, and even remembered that I was Mike. (Mike is not my name either!) Same lady, same BBBJ, same FS, same price, just different names.

I do have to admit, Posting does help us punters from getting a raw deal. I don't know how many hobbyists who read these forums were probably aware of my posting last year, and saved them from a SCAM, as many will now be aware of Superdick's lady in his current posting, but there are many a hobbyists in the valley who do not use the net and many a SG who does not care. So thanks for the posts, but next time, I would not even waste my breath to tell the lady about posting about her. Most could care less but you may never know and get one psycho wench that will perceive giving her bad reviews as a threat and you could get knifed or something worse. If I am pissed, I just like to leave first, and then talk trash later. VB is not a very friendly street, even though it can be a fun street too.

JimmyDR

12-23-02, 12:51

Most motels I have visited, I gave a fake name and paid cash. I paid for a room 3-4 times, a few times in NY, once in Florida, checking in with the girl, hanging around an hour or 2 then leaving. I think we all got ripped off at least once, paying and waiting for her to return.

I carry a digital camera and take pictures these days. Plenty of places to post them.

Mystic Pimp

12-23-02, 15:07

Hey thanks to those of you who have given me input on "adult entertainment" around the valley. It's sad to see that there really isn't much in the west valley, compared to Phoenix and the east valley (this is only because one of the people I visit the most in metro Phoenix lives in the west valley). As far as the street scene goes, I've never really driven around the west valley looking for action. I've pretty much driven around downtown Phoenix, Tempe, and Mesa areas (mostly because there are more freeways in the east valley area).

Son House

12-23-02, 18:48

Hit the strolls a bit this weekend. Trinity, that I posted on before has been at 27th & Indian School. Specifically 1/2 to 1 block north of the intersection at around 10 PM. Saw her 3 times in 3 days on both sides of the streets. YMMV with her-so read previous post. Saw a definitely drugged out white girl with brown, or maybe red, hair by the fire department on 27th south of Northern. She was waving at traffic going by so I don't think this was the discreet clean blonde that Superdick posted about. She was about 20 pounds overweight. If you guys can post specific location and times of where these SG are at, I'll continue to do the same.

VB was about normal for the winter months. 2-3 good looking Black SW, an average white girl, and a bunch of jet trash & crack monsters. The white SW I saw many times was by the Blue Moon. Blonde, but kind of squatty and plain looking. Sunday I saw the Tiffany with an East Indian girl by the Desert Wind. This is not the Tiffany that I posted on in the summer, but the shitty light skinned girl from last week. I stopped and tried to get the East Indian Girl, but she was new and Tiffany was doing all the talking. When I told her that she wasn't invited and I only wanted her friend, she demanded to see at least $100. Fuck that. Did anyone see or get this girl? Her face was bad, but she was tall, thin, with huge tits. I finally picked up a fine black SG named Chaunte at the corner east of the Blue Moon. Another girl from San Diego, she knew Lonnie and Tiffany from previous post. Chaunte could pass for Lonnie's twin. Agreed at $50 for a CBJ at the Desert Wind. She wanted $100 for FS and I was tempted, but declined. Good service, but she said she's leaving town soon.

Hears a tip... I wanted Chaunte to lick my balls. She wouldn't, like most SW. I asked why... she said no protection. I took the garbage bag out the can, tore piece off, put it over my balls and Bam! She had no problem. I still had dry balls, but the heat from her mouth was great. Felt the same as a CBJ compared to a BBBJ.

The House

IkneadU

12-23-02, 22:01

Here's wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year :o)

Malissa and I will be offering $100 flat rate for 30 minutes of massage the way you like it all day tomorrow, Christmas Eve. All inclusive/no tipping required for your pleasure ;o)

We'll be open during the day and closed tomorrow evening and all day and night Christmas Day. Better come in now for that holiday stress relief :o)

~Brandy~
602-482-1255
www.brandysmassage.com
www.malissasmassage.com

Merlin Magician

12-23-02, 22:47

Santa says: Ho Fuggin Ho Fuggin HO!!

IkneadU

12-24-02, 03:07

I got yer 'Ho fuggin' Ho' right here Merlin and I know how to use it. Just wait 'til I get a hold of your sugar plums ;o) LOL

SuperDick

12-24-02, 03:24

thanks for you advice untold, i will keep that in mind, son house, it does look like 27th ave is picking up steam, especially around northern ave... i saw about three sgs the other night, but they all looked really ragged and cracked out... i spoke with an old latina, (old meaning i have seen her around for two years) she is 20 now, and she mentioned that thomas ave between 43rd and 51st ave is hopping with hot latina hoes.. i will have to check it out after the holidays....

SanDawg

12-24-02, 15:19

Son House,

Dude, that trash bag thing, what made you think of that? Laughed my ass off so hard my girlfriend walked in and almost caught me reading your post. Creativity at it's best. You're a stud!

UnTold

12-24-02, 18:49

JIMMYDR: If I was going to the motel with a lady I knew, i.e. someone I was having an affair with so my ol' lady would not find out, I would have no problem getting the motel and trying a fake name, and leaving her to sleep it off after I left. I have done that before. But for some SG/SW, no way do I even want to attempt to get a room at a DECENT motel for her to stay AFTER I leave. The hotel has camera too, and with my luck, I would get fugged twice! Call me a bit paranoid but I don't trust one of them!

As for another West Valley spot, I have seen a many latina SW's and a few white crank ho's walking on Glendale Ave from Grand Ave (59th Ave) west to 67th Ave. I have had them wave me down, but I have not stopped yet. Be aware that the Glendale PD is right around the corner on 58th Ave.

Buster Cherry

12-25-02, 20:06

I cruised the hot spots today. Saw very little. I did see a couple of die hard crack ho's at 59th Ave and Glendale. Nothing on 27th Ave. VB was bare. Thomas was clean. I also saw a kind of "tubby" ugly Redhead on 16th st by Edgemont. What I mean by "tubby" is she had a bare belly button and midriff but with a beer belly biggern mine.

All were ohhh soooo skankeeee...

Buster Cherry

12-27-02, 10:55

Damned if I didn't find Farm Girl last night at 59th Ave and Glendale. She said she is working west on Glendale these days. OHHHYEAHHHH close to home. WOOHOOOO!!

2nd Chance

12-28-02, 19:50

I travel back to phoenix every now and then. Came back for Xmas and went looking. I've been out browsing 27th ave from Northern-IndianSchool. I've also looked at Thomas from 43rd-51st, and Glendale from 59th-67th. For the last week, I've seen very little. Not like 6months ago. I've even hit VB. Found a collection on 44th and VB at the gas station. Nothing worth stopping for. I went out between 11pm and 4am. Perhaps it was because of the holidays. Maybe they all took time off? Or, where they all busy with you guys?!? Ha ha!

SuperDick

12-29-02, 05:44

a lot of it has to do with hit or miss, just pure luck sometimes. With the fiesta bowl in town and a big car show next weekend, i am really really surprised that more hoes arent around.. I did see that big busted destiny on vb yesterday afternoon, wore a yellow tube top, showing off her huge 38 DDDs... i didnt stop for her...i happened to be in the northwest valley, well, off 27th ave and northern, saw this cute white/mexican woman, tracy i think, 20 years old about 5'3' 140 pounds, a bit thick, brown hair, really innocent looking, nice small c cup tits and a great round thick ass.... she said her "car broke down" needs money to go back to cali, blah , blah, i asked her what she charges, she said, i dont know you tell me.. i was a bit leery, but we conversed more, and i said all i got was 40 bucks.. she said , thats it?? i said yeah, being the cheap bastard that i am, lol... so kind of pouted and then said, oh ok... she agreed to FS, which was cool.... the service was pretty good, great cbj, she had a tougue piercing.. good deep throat action and ball licking... we then did missonary and doggie style, pounding away at that big bubble ass.. she wanted to make more money, so i dropper her off on east vb around 18th st....

SummerSausage

12-29-02, 15:08

Merlin,

I have been to the Red Butterfly twice once under each name. However that is not the plave I was refering to. I went back to find the place again. It is on the east side of the street and is named Tokyo Massage or Spa or something. It is not on 43rd or 35th ave but on 51st ave just north of Bethany. Sorry for the confusion. I guess I can find my way better in the mountains and desert.

Been pretty quite on the wester front. Will be looking for the farm girl as that is close to home.

What time of day/night is she out normally?

SS

SuperDick

12-30-02, 02:26

I am going to do a strip bar review, centerfolds caberet, located around 21st ave and peoria, now has "private room dances" in the back... You pay a fee ( i think either $15 or $20) to get into the "private room" .... this allows you to get special high mileage lapdances... The private room dances are $15 per song before 8pm, and $20 per song after 8pm.. again, YMMV, but i was genuinely impressed.. I got about 3 privates from Charlene, i think, she is mex/white mix, brown hair, great round ass, cute and of course, 36 DD natural tits!!! Lets just say there was a lot of groping and fondling going on.. most mileage i have had in a strip bar in phoenix in quite a long time, almost as good at ABC in the old days... Also 27th ave from northern to thomas has picked up, saw a two white girls around northern, and some white pros on camelback, about 6-7 in looks.. by the way "charlene" at centerfolds in the same dancer that used to work at Hi liter about three years ago....

Merlin Magician

12-30-02, 10:41

Summer, I've noticed the Tokyo Massage Studio on 51st Ave and MAryland. I was trying to figure out from your previous posts if that is what you were talking about.

Anyhow, is it a good deal or no? Do you give it a Pink Pussycat or a Dead Fish?

SummerSausage

12-30-02, 15:53

I got the bait and switch pulled on me!

I'd say dead fish! But the white girl that did the massage really tried to get at my Summer Sausage! Her looks made it a beenie weenie though!

SS

OU812

12-30-02, 16:08

Greeting, I tried this escort/massage place in Scottsdale called
Jasmine, Mariah and Cara Personal Consultants near 60th St. &
Thomas. Their web page is http://hometown@aol.com/mariah
andjasmine/fullservice.html. If you like latinas then these women
will take good care of you. They have a special that is suppose to go thru 12/31/02 for $150. You can check their web page
and call for directions. I was with Jasmine and boy was she
nice and tight.

Hope to hit the streets tomorrow night and see if I can find a few
gems out there. I saw this Light complexed latina about 18-20y.o. with light blond hair about 5'6', wearing tight jeans walking near 12th street and VB on Friday about 3pm. Stopped and pick her up but she wanted $100.00, I told maybe another time and dropped her off. She looked good though, maybe I can
get her down to $70 or $80.

Happy New Year

Mystic Pimp

12-30-02, 18:55

Correction on website URL...it is http://hometown.aol.com/mariahandjasmine/fullservice.html[

QUOTE]Originally posted by OU812
Greeting, I tried this escort/massage place in Scottsdale called
Jasmine, Mariah and Cara Personal Consultants near 60th St. &
Thomas. Their web page is http://hometown@aol.com/mariah
andjasmine/fullservice.html. If you like latinas then these women
will take good care of you. They have a special that is suppose to go thru 12/31/02 for $150. You can check their web page
and call for directions. I was with Jasmine and boy was she
nice and tight.

Hope to hit the streets tomorrow night and see if I can find a few
gems out there. I saw this Light complexed latina about 18-20y.o. with light blond hair about 5'6', wearing tight jeans walking near 12th street and VB on Friday about 3pm. Stopped and pick her up but she wanted $100.00, I told maybe another time and dropped her off. She looked good though, maybe I can
get her down to $70 or $80.

Happy New Year [/QUOTE]

Mystic Pimp

12-30-02, 18:59

"personal consultant"...damn, interesting way to put it... sounds real professional...can it be the next P.C. term for "escort"? hehehe... whatever works.

Buster Cherry

12-30-02, 21:52

Guess what!! Niether URL comes up on the personal consultants. AOL musta found out they was sellin pussy and cut em off.

2nd Chance

12-30-02, 22:19

Yo, Superdick. I happen to stop by Centerfolds and tried out their VIP area. Nothing special. There are two, what I consider, good couches. Unfortunately, there are also two camera pointing at them. Had a great dance with a gal on the floor, and we "tried" to gave a better dance in the VIP, but it just wasn't happening. Sometimes, it's too crowded... mostly, the cameras are an intimidator. But, if you want to give it a try, here's a suggestion.... wear a dark shirt and dark loose-fitting shorts. Light color shirts/pants "glow" with the black light hits and it's very obvious when it's being "unzipped". I was sure hoping for some really good dances, but like you said, mostly good groping.

2nd Chance

12-30-02, 22:21

Was cruising up 27th ave and Indianschool and saw a latina in tight jeans and a denim jacket. Pretty nice all around. Wasn't sure if she was a SW so I didn't stop, but I did see her out twice during my 4 hour tour of the hotspots. Anyone know if she's a SW?

Mystic Pimp

12-31-02, 03:44

that is sucky...

Ossano

12-31-02, 08:01

Well, Happy New Year. I searched for that website on AOL (I am a member), & no soap. They have contact info on the T. E. Rev. board, though. I think I am going to try it out myself later this month…. Have some info to report on the SW scene. I haven’t found much on 16th, so I have been checking out 27th. I found a couple of finds, one good, one not bad. Last week I stumbled upon a 20 yr old named Rachel near 27th & Camelback while I was looping around to check out another girl… White, brown hair, C cup tits, 5 ft, BBBJ & hot nasty CFS for $50… She was a find, has no contact info but I know where she lives so I made arrangements tomorrow night for a follow up… Looking forward to that one if she shows… Went out this morning, saw one on 16th, brunette, but I couldn’t get her, someone else did… Had on a white coat, looked good. Went out to 27th, saw one hot white tall brunette at 27th & Camelback around 2:30AM, saw her getting into a car, didn’t see her again. I think I saw her at a bus stop near 27th & Bethany last week, E of 27th, anybody know about this one? There were a few girls out around 27th & Camelback but they disappeared quick. Not much LE out either. Found one near 27th & Orangewood, Sandy, Hispanic, a little older, but a good BBBJTC for $35. Got contact info but I am taking that with a grain of salt these days…

Buster Cherry

12-31-02, 10:33

Yes very prudish, those AOL assholes. Very priggish of them, I say...

UnTold

01-01-03, 13:28

AOL just is plan for LAMERS who either don't know dammit about internet or people who know internet commands and functions and are just too plain LAZY to learn and get a real ISP. AOL prides itself on EASE of use and PROTECTION of your kids from bad things. Well it is so squirrelly of a program now, that any AOL'er trying to migrate to a standard ISP is lost becasue there is no SINGLE BUTTON for mail, censoring the kids, or Instant Messages. Also where did that little "You Got Mail" guy go?

All I know AOL goes too far with the censorship in the chatrooms and on their webpages; their so uptight to what you can do, post or say that even Jesus Christ himself would feel restricted!

So a bunch of ladies advertising Massage, Erotic Fun or even SEX... Oh my what heathens they must be, have them stricken from the pages at AOL - this behavior is a rampant violation of the TOS (Terms Of Service) "So it was written, so it shall be done!"

(Please, everyone, before you flame me, remember this is all tongue in cheek. I don't hate all AOL'ers, I just hate AOL's tactics and overpriced features)

UnTold

01-01-03, 14:01

I went to the Gun Shop on (Arizona Sportsman) on 7th Ave and Camelback recently. The guy in the shop has a sighting scope aimed at the store across the street. (Not one that goes on a rifle, one used more like a telescope for checking target hits.)

Anyway, I asked what he was looking at so intensely. He said hookers! Well low and behold; I looked through the scope, hookers. We are talking midday (About 1PM) and there were several SG’s hanging out near or behind the convenience store across the street. Some Latinas and Black women. He said the use that store as pickup and then use the Red Roof Inn next to the convenience store to do their deeds. The guy told me to hang out in that parking lot, and the ladies will come. Only thing I am waiting until the GUN STORE is close. These guys are bored and watch the street with scopes. Some of the gun store guys though it was cool, but some were animate about their hatred for the “street scum” working across the street! Just be aware of who is watching you if you attempt to try these ladies. I prefer no unwelcome witnesses!

I was also told in another forum-e-mail that AMBER (http://www.naughtyamber.net or http://www.geocities.com/naughtyazescorts/SexxxyEscort.html ) and VANESSA34D ( http://www.geocities.com/vegas_slim2003/34D.html ) use this hotel as their INCALL location. I don’t have first hand experience about the Red Roof Inn as their point of operations, but I have attempted to see either one of these two young ladies with no luck so far. (There has been a bunch of fair to negative reviews in several forums about these girls, but I wanted to find out for myself due to the mixed reviews; but again no such luck yet.)

(BTW - There is a run down Strip Club on that corner called Teasers. Still five dollar table dances and you get lots of mileage for your dollar.)

Merlin Magician

01-01-03, 17:37

I figured out the Tokyo Massage Studio is not open anymore. I have been scouting it since last week and never see activity there, day or night. The guy at the convenience store next door says he never sees anyone there.

So...if they are a bait shop, maybe they get a fish?? Sounds like they do cut bait but don't fish? (or something like that)

WorldTraveller

01-01-03, 21:18

Heard all over on the Tucson news the other day that Tempe has been steadily cracking down on the SW off of Apache, they said that there have been over 100 arrests made dealing with prostitution in that area........maybe that is why the SW have been so scarce?

SuperDick

01-02-03, 05:36

hope everyone had a great new years..... I went on a street scene mission, since rent is due on the 1st, there would be more girls out.. I cruised up 27th from thomas to northern, it was really dead, no action.... went on the west side 59th ave and glendale, still no action............ so i went down VB, found some real gems out there, seems like there are some out of towners from east coast and midwest coming here, probably for the fiesta bowl and car show clients, lol...
I saw this really hot looking white girl around 15th st.. Passion , from michigan, real girl next store looks, innocent.. 20 years, about 5'7' 125 pounds, slim body, put some perfect natural D cups.. she was wearing a denim jacket, no bra, and tight jeans, .. she asked for $100, i just laughed, and then she kinda smiled and said, you mother f---kers are damn cheap.. but not in a snotty way, mind you, but in a humorous way... I told her , hell i am a cheap bastard, i can give her $60 for FS.. she kinda thought about it and hopped in the car.. back at the room she took off her clothes, great body...she then gave me a quick cbj, porno style, she stared at me while she sucked away... we then did some doggie style, pounding away her her nice firm ass, while grabbing her supple D cup tits.. we switched to missionary, and she pulled her ankles past her knees while i banged away on her hot twat.. it was a good session... . dont know how long she will be in town...she said she is the "top *****" on the street..uhh ok..

a little later , i was looking around again..i guess i wanted to get in some more action for the first of the year.. i saw this black lady, goes by the name of queenBee or something, she is from east coast, Haitian or something, she had a jacket on ..and black tight pants, i was trying to figure out how big her chest is.. she said, hey i have got nice natural breasts for you!! she said she was like 36 DD really amazing choclate tits.. she wanted $100 too, but then quickly dropped to $60.. i was like hmm all i have is $60 total, since i just spent $60 a few hours ago..she said ok lets go... we will go to a place i know ,, i wasa bit leery, but we found some spot way on the south side of town.. she gave me a nice BJ and good ball licking and sucking. then i pounded her doggie, she was moaning, acting i think, lol.. while i played with her ass... sticking a finger while i pounded away, she then sucked on her melon tits while i jacked off.......she was cool, then only weird thing was that i asked her for her number, and she said if i called her then she would have to charge me $200 for full service?? what, i just said i will see her on the streets... lol...

OU812

01-02-03, 20:29

I decided to spend new years eve checking out the street scene,
I got me a room on VB thinking it would be a great night, but it
wasn't. There was alot of LE all over the place, one would go by,
then a minute later another would be going by again. I did see
some pretty hot women out there around 7-7:30pm, but that was
when I was checking in, and I thought that they would be out
there for awhile. I saw this black girl wearing a red jacket and
white short shorts being harrassed at the gas station on 24th
street & vb, cruised around alittle because I figured she would
make her way on down vb is she wasn't picked up yet. Man,
there was a swarm of cars trying to pick her up near 22nd street,
I think she got in ford bronco that stopped in the middle of the
street, just past 16th street the LE stopped that bronco. I think
they were watching that girl. After that the streets were dead!
After midnight, I saw this light complected girl around 18th street,
nice looking, again a swarm of cars, she talked to a few but
ignored me.

So I went on the west side 19th ave & vb and pick up Francetta,
a latina girl with nice breasts, nice face. I remember fucking her
last new years. She was okay, did the job. But kind of wanted me to hurry up, before she liked the way I fucked for a long time.

Anyway, this will be all for now. Happy New Year, and Hunting.

OU812

Merlin Magician

01-04-03, 00:03

I am eating crow pie right now. I finally went back by the Tokyo Massage Studio at 51st Ave and Maryland. It was open tonite.

I popped in to check out the ladies and to see if they had a Jacuzzi. Yes they have a Jacuzzi, a small one, but it is nice. Rates are good; 30 min. starts at $35.00.

AND... in checking out the ladies, I find Nina there. Nina used to be at Zuchiki before the new owner took over. Helluva bonus. Nina is Oriental dynamite, no shit. Highly recommended. She sure knows how to take the spring out of my pebbleflipper.

Attention, BUSTER CHERRY!! I found NINA!!!

BeaverRetriever

01-06-03, 00:34

I have noticed many Sexy BSW on East VB around 22nd - 24th Street lately. Hooked up with Keysha twice for two very good times. She is very nice and a true professional at her trade. She even had a room to go to the 2nd time I met her. She had a friend Tiffany that wanted to tag along for additional fees of course. I believe it is the same one from earlier posts. I opted for Keysha only and left very satisfied!! Keysha is somewhat tall and thin with long black hair. Very, Very sexy ass and legs!!!!

Azanluver

01-06-03, 03:41

Merlin

What kind of rates does Nina charge for extras?

Merlin Magician

01-06-03, 10:41

About Nina at Tokyo: I'll answer this way;

If anybody here has ever read my posts in this forum, I am loud and vocal about high dollar scabs and rip offs.

If I post reviews of certain places and providers, and I approve of them, rest assured that costs for services are generally reasonable and very fair for the market area.

In sum, places I recommend are affordable and fair, and you don't hear me screaming about Nina.

GhettoC

01-06-03, 11:47

Saturday crusied 27th Ave for a while. Lots of action. Best time to come out is around 2:30PM (more choices). Anyway picked up a BSW wanted $40.00 for a FS. However, after we stopped at a stop light around Bethany Home Rd. She saw her Regular and said, "sorry but maybe next time, I can make $200.00 right now. By..." and jumped out of my car!

Weird huh? Anyway good scean now on 27th Ave.

Son House

01-06-03, 13:25

Cruised VB on Saturday afternoon around 3:30 p.m. SWs everywhere. BeaverRetriever- that was definitely the same Tiffany. I saw her out trying to get in on other girl’s dates too. I found Leslie just east of 24th on the north side street by the hospital/jail. She’s a blonde Hispanic/malato looking girl. She resembled Mariah Carey. Definitely hot. Agreed on $100 for half- &-half at the Desert Wind. Unfortunately, pretty bad service. Very rushed. I wish I had met with one of the other SW on Saturday. There was certainly enough to choose from.

The House

WorldTraveller

01-06-03, 21:54

Tried incall with Diana who has an ad on eros and also has her own website at azdiana dot com. $200 per hour all inclusive, she has a nice apartment off of Mcdowell and the 101. She met me at the door in lingerie and was as her picture showed, maybe she has lost some weight. She is a more mature provider and does not have a killer body, but has great titties and an attitude to match. Total GFE, totally relaxed, no clock watching, no pressure, bbbj was great, did several positions. I think she will do anal as well for the same price, she was talking about it as if she really liked anal. Would visit Diana again, like I said, she is not a knockout, but had a wonderful attitude and a very comfortable apartment to play in. She did talk about several other providers that are the killer body, younger ones, but switch prices or raise them after starting.

I will try try her again when I am in phoenix and have some time to kill, maybe will try some anal next time.

UnTold

01-07-03, 00:32

Merlin: I am on the same wave length as you. Since so many people, including LE, read these forums giving away vivid details of the best massage providers and the extent of the extras, would be letting the cat out of the bag.

Some people just don't understand that if we ALLUDE to something great about a provider, that is a good thing and they are reasonable and usually provide excellent services at a value (and not necessarily CHEAP) price. We all should ALERT on the scams and give the glorious (and sometime hideous) details of the rip-offs. Even just lousy services of these providers are good to be reported! I rather pay 20 bucks for a kick ass BBBJ than waste 10 bucks on a lousy BBBJ, or even worse waste 20 bucks on two different lousy ones in a row in my quest to find a good provider. Or even worse to waste 40 bucks on 4 lousy BBBJ’s from 4 different ladies who suck. (Excuse the PUN) Regardless on what sort of sexual kink you are looking for, these forums are supposed to help us find good providers; but on the same note, not provide so much information that LE can use to shut them.

More and more of these ladies seem to think it is easier to cash and dash and rip off your hard earned money than to provide good solid service. You can still get quality service at a fair price in Phoenix but you just got to read to what others write in these forums.

I know this more applies mostly to providers who are based out of massage establishments, business fronts, or even their own homes; but we should be aware of some of the things we describe with the SW’s too (Sort of a double edge sword, damned if you do and damned if you don’t!)

SuperDick

01-07-03, 04:20

hey son house, did leslie have a friend from new york, haitain, named queen bee? you should hook up with her, offered full service for $60, great natural DD tits, friendly, good service.. I cruised up VB last night for some window shopping, and counted 20 , yes 20 hos out there , between 16th st and 40 st.. Is it just a coincedence that since a Democratic governor took over officially yesterday, the number of hos on vb increased?? Thank god for the democrats!!! lol....

Mystic Pimp

01-07-03, 18:37

I agree with you on the "detailed information" front...

Originally posted by UnTold
Merlin: I am on the same wave length as you. Since so many people, including LE, read these forums giving away vivid details of the best massage providers and the extent of the extras, would be letting the cat out of the bag.

Some people just don't understand that if we ALLUDE to something great about a provider, that is a good thing and they are reasonable and usually provide excellent services at a value (and not necessarily CHEAP) price. We all should ALERT on the scams and give the glorious (and sometime hideous) details of the rip-offs. Even just lousy services of these providers are good to be reported! I rather pay 20 bucks for a kick ass BBBJ than waste 10 bucks on a lousy BBBJ, or even worse waste 20 bucks on two different lousy ones in a row in my quest to find a good provider. Or even worse to waste 40 bucks on 4 lousy BBBJ’s from 4 different ladies who suck. (Excuse the PUN) Regardless on what sort of sexual kink you are looking for, these forums are supposed to help us find good providers; but on the same note, not provide so much information that LE can use to shut them.

More and more of these ladies seem to think it is easier to cash and dash and rip off your hard earned money than to provide good solid service. You can still get quality service at a fair price in Phoenix but you just got to read to what others write in these forums.

I know this more applies mostly to providers who are based out of massage establishments, business fronts, or even their own homes; but we should be aware of some of the things we describe with the SW’s too (Sort of a double edge sword, damned if you do and damned if you don’t!)

RUN26T9

01-08-03, 18:44

Looking for value for money?
First the bad points. A poxed face and medium small loose tits. Now the good points. Very, very submissive!!! 5'3" aprox 100 lbs. 35 yo white with light brown med. long hair. Perky littly pink nips and a bulging but tight pussy. (I never ran across a pussy quite like this one)

FULL service, (mouth, pussy and/or ass. Rimm...if your ass is clean...etc.) for $30 pr. hr. + room (if wanted). V.B. & 20th St. area.

I have been doinkin this one for about a year now, and she finally agreed to let me post about her.

If you're intrested in pokin this one or have any questions, email me. For more details or how to contact her, my addy is run2_6t9@yahoo.com

Please, NO S & M.

Son House

01-09-03, 00:05

Just finished with Jessica. Met her in front the Arizona motel on VB. I saw her on Saturday absolutely stopping traffic everywhere. She's tall, cute, white, long dark straight hair, with a slender shapely body. Just turned 20 and looks like she could be in a Lenny Kravitz video. She in from LA for the next few weeks. Saw her working with a black girl on the south side of VB between 22nd and 32nd at 7:00 pm. Someone has had to have seen her; she definitely stands out and lets most guys pass. I asked her why and she said she doesn’t like getting picked up on the stroll itself. So get her attention and pull into the one of the motel driveways. Overall good cheep service. She suggested half-&-half for sixty, no rush. Extremely fine body when she got undressed. Good attitude and let me hit it from behind. A true find.

RUN26T9-thats a pretty brave post for the 1st time. Welcome. I'm sure you'll have lots of responses.

Superdick-thanks for the info. I'll post results soon. Now go find Jessica.

The House

UnTold

01-09-03, 02:15

I was out around 8PM and I decided to cruise down VB. I cruised between 19th Ave and 35th Ave. I noticed LE was out and picking on the SG’s and the Hobbyists on the corner just a block west of the AutoZone.

I was just about to go over I-17 when I saw this fine skinny young lady standing across from the cemetery. If she was an SG, she looked almost like Jail Bait. I passed her as I was a little suspicious as to if she may be an LE decoy. I came back around to get a second look and she was gone. I looped around just west of I-17 near the PEP BOYS and did not find her. I figured someone else must have got to her, so I was just about to call it quits and head east down VB toward 20th to 44th Streets when I saw a tall blonde walking near the PEP BOYS. Not as nice as the other girl, a little rough in the face, but built real healthy (Not skinny like most of the Crack HO’s). She goes by Kim. She had some massive tan tits I played with for a few minutes. I opted for a $20 BBBJ and she swallowed so I gave her a few dollars for the tip.

She offered full service among other things, but I was already paranoid with LE in the area. Tonight's cruise was on a whim. I did not want to get a hotel/motel and I did not want to get caught humping her in the car; so I just got the BBBJ. She gave a really good BBBJ, just as good as or better than I have gotten from some ESCORTS or MASSAGE providers.

I went home after that, so I never made it to VB on the east side.

RUN26T9

01-09-03, 16:46

Sun House, FYI. Yes, this is my first post since Jackson re-did the forum early last year. But definantly not my 'first' post. YGM

WorldTraveller

01-09-03, 18:57

Seems that 19th Ave and Indian School area were hopping today, there was a lady hitchhiking with a suitcase just south of Indian School, had alot of makeup on, looked pretty hot, I am guessing she was working, not sure about the suitcase. Seems that everytime I see a hitchhiker/sw lately my boss is in the truck with me and I can't at least pull over to check things out and see if they are working or not. Oh well.....seems to be the same when I see alot of activity, someone is always with me, when I am alone I see nothing.....go figure......

I have given alot of thought to the subject of detailed information being posted. There have been several cases were I have confirmed what others have posted about a certain provider, but have not posted my details about them for fear of LE ruining a good thing for me. It is a jungle out there.

OU812

01-09-03, 20:34

I checked out the east side last night 7th st. to 44st. and there
were alot of black & hispanic out about 9-10:30pm, it was raining
a little, I saw some nice fine ass black SG just past 32nd st. and
before 32nd st. I tried to pick up one of them but other guys
had the same idea. I did pick up this white near 22 nd but then
she wanted $100, she said that she normally charges $200. I
thought forget that and returned her to where I picked her up,
I sorry but I forget her name. Didn't get nothing that night.
Just thought I would check in with what I saw out there. I that
what the black girls normally charge by the way? Later.

Joe Blow

01-10-03, 12:22

Was driving down VB Thursday afternoon, about 3:30 and there were A LOT of girls out there! All the way from about 12th on down to 40th. I guess it was the nice weather. I saw a nice looking young blonde, med length hair, nice bod, along with many other prospects. However, I was only window shopping so no details to give, but I find that time of day is good hunting!

Buster Cherry

01-11-03, 20:09

I took a run on the main ho streets today.

Starting out on the way toward Chandler from Glendale, I spotted a nice blonde working at 27th Ave and Camelback. Problem was she looked way too damn young to be legal, but she had all the motions down like a seasoned pro.

Came back through Mesa and checked out Main all the way from Country Club to the 101. I found two really nice tall blondes working along from extension to the 101. Up close they look like real crack ho-like tho. Nothing on Apache at Tempe.

Decided against my better judgement to go down VB from 52nd st to 16th st. I did spot some really nice ladies between 40th St and 16th St. I'll bet I saw at least 20 out working today at 2:30. Took a close looksee at all of them. Out of the bunch, I'd say 15 were dancer quality like 8 and 9 grade. the other 5 were 4's and 5's. Damn near made me go to the ATM. Best selection I've seen in a long long time.

Warning about frequenting VB, I was at 27th St. when some black guy come running out from one of the motels there. he was dressed only in his skivvies and he was animated all to hell. he obviously had just ingested meth and was wired to beat shit. He leaped up on the hood and top of a Mercedes and stomped the top in and the hood. He put his foot through the sun roof window. He then jumped onto the front of a delivery truck and kicked in the hood of that one too. As I drove off he was jumping on a Cavalier which he really damaged.

Went up 16th to Indian School nothing. Indian School west to 27th Ave. Right at 19th Ave one really nice 8 Blonde. At 23rd Ave I see a knockout blonde in black. SHe is a 10. I looked real close. I pulled up in the Arco lot to peek and she talked a few minutes and some old fart in a Caddy grabbed her up.

Back up 27th AVe and saw a nice Latina by the flea market behind Lou Grubb Chevy.

In all it looks like today was a buyers market for great pussy in Phoenix.

Kolt_az

01-15-03, 12:01

I suppose from the lack of recent post over the past couple of days only is due to the fact that everyone has been busy with the great weather filling the sidewalks with plenty of action.

Was taking a drive on VB at 2:00pm yesterday and there had to be at least 20+ ladies between 20th and 32nd St. On my way out of the area though I saw several PPD heading into the area.

Times must be good as this morning around 8am there was still a number to choose from.

SuperDick

01-15-03, 13:03

the great weather has really brought out a lot of the hoes.. however, i did a quick drive last night, around 11pm -1am, and it was DEAD on VB.. Looks like the cops swept out the hoes during the nighttime....

27th ave from indian school to camelback had some decent action near the bus stop........

Mystic Pimp

01-15-03, 13:20

It seems some of the ads in the Arizona Connection website are thinly veiled "escort" ads. Don't know if anyone else catches this, but that's my opinion. Most of those ads that seem to be for "escorts" are based around the valley.

UnTold

01-15-03, 15:33

superdick: I have been told by several of the SG's I know or seen in the past that Phoenix LE does most of the VICE stings on TUES and THURSDAY night. I have heard this from more than one SG. Whenever I go down VB I have noticed too many cop cars on those nights. They are also out there on special events too, i.e. Fiesta Bowl. I have seen as many as eight cars are rushing from spot to spot on Tues or Thurs nights. On these Tues and Thurs nights LE is harrassing any and all SG/SW's they can find. It seems they are mostly focused on them, and not so much on the CLIENTS, (JOHNS.)

The reason it LOOKS like there are more LE out on the weekends is that there are about 20-30 of us trying to gang up on a single SG. So the cops sit there and pluck us off one by one. There are probably less cops on weekends on VB but more lights because several HOBBYISTS are getting caught. So on the weekends they seemd to be focused on going after the CLIENT (JOHN) and not so much the lady.

(HINT to NEWBIES - You see 30 guys making looping U-Turns on VB to get ONE lady, KNOW THIS: The cops sit around like LIONS in AFRICA. They follow the herd from a distance. They stalk them a little. They wait for the lamest antelope in the herd to fall behind or screw up and then jump to a kill. DON'T BE the LAMER on VB and get caught!! All those cars making u-turns just alerts the cops to something going down. AVOID THE HERD OF CARS!!!)

Now of course both SG's and CLIENT's get busted any night of the week, it just seems there is a differnet shift of focus as to to who LE is targeting will depend on the night of the week.

HENCE is why I prefer off nights which is Sun, Mon or Wed.

This is all IMHO!

Merlin Magician

01-15-03, 21:30

I wonder about if cruising VB is such a hazard, then is cruising the various motels in that area maybe more fruitful? Surely the girls in residence are attuned to traffic and gawkers in the parking lot. Since motels are private property, it may be a situation where LE could be thwarted somewhat and not alerted to street traffic indicators.

Just a thought.

Mystic Pimp

01-15-03, 21:49

Here's a good question, why is it you guys cruising on Van Buren always seem to go after ONE girl? And why go 30 (or whatever) at a time? Untold makes you guys sound like sheep. And I bet the girl ain't that hot, or even worth it. I've never heard of anything like this anywhere else in metro Phoenix, or here in the Tucson area.

Originally posted by UnTold
superdick: I have been told by several of the SG's I know or seen in the past that Phoenix LE does most of the VICE stings on TUES and THURSDAY night. I have heard this from more than one SG. Whenever I go down VB I have noticed too many cop cars on those nights. They are also out there on special events too, i.e. Fiesta Bowl. I have seen as many as eight cars are rushing from spot to spot on Tues or Thurs nights. On these Tues and Thurs nights LE is harrassing any and all SG/SW's they can find. It seems they are mostly focused on them, and not so much on the CLIENTS, (JOHNS.)

The reason it LOOKS like there are more LE out on the weekends is that there are about 20-30 of us trying to gang up on a single SG. So the cops sit there and pluck us off one by one. There are probably less cops on weekends on VB but more lights because several HOBBYISTS are getting caught. So on the weekends they seemd to be focused on going after the CLIENT (JOHN) and not so much the lady.

(HINT to NEWBIES - You see 30 guys making looping U-Turns on VB to get ONE lady, KNOW THIS: The cops sit around like LIONS in AFRICA. They follow the herd from a distance. They stalk them a little. They wait for the lamest antelope in the herd to fall behind or screw up and then jump to a kill. DON'T BE the LAMER on VB and get caught!! All those cars making u-turns just alerts the cops to something going down. AVOID THE HERD OF CARS!!!)

Now of course both SG's and CLIENT's get busted any night of the week, it just seems there is a differnet shift of focus as to to who LE is targeting will depend on the night of the week.

HENCE is why I prefer off nights which is Sun, Mon or Wed.

This is all IMHO!

SuperDick

01-16-03, 02:39

good post untold, yeah i have have from a few SGs and a former SG that Tues and Thurs nights are vice nights... stay away from the hoes on those nights.. As far as 30 or more johns following one SG, yeah it is kinda crazy, but usually, there are only one or two really hot SGs out there at any given time... Usually when i see like 4 or 5 cars lined up for one sg, hell yeah, i ususally back off. ......... Poppa, have you ever been to SoCal or Sunset Blvd in Hollywood? The johns do the same damn thing there too, and also on Chicago on Cicero Ave south side.....

Mystic Pimp

01-16-03, 03:14

Never been to SoCal, would like to go there at some point.

UnTold

01-16-03, 04:01

merlin magician: I have tried the MOTEL gig a few times. You have a few factors here due to some of the guys in the office either HATE or are in CAHOOTS with the SG's.

What I mean is that you have a better chance of getting ripped off in the motels that line VB than if you played tag with LE. As for the ones that live off the hookers, they turn a blind eye to what is going on. If you get bum rushed by a bunch of pimps, it could be trouble. I rather take my chances evading LE than deal or be trapped by cracked out HO’s and PIMPS.

As for the motels that DON’T CATER to SG’s: I had the unfortunate pleasure of getting my door almost kicked in by a motel security guard who saw me go in with a lady. The only problem was she was a friend who wanted to get it on with me and I figured the motels on VB don’t ask for ID. We were coming down VB after partying on Mill Ave. We both did not want our significant others to find out what we were up doing so we got a motel on the way home. The overzealous security guard thought he had a JOHN and HOOKER. When he finally figured out were telling the truth, he apologized. We left and the motel I did not give me my money back; as they figured she was not my wife, and I not her husband. They guessed we were not going to complain anyway. (It was one of the one’s near Blue Moon Strip Club.) They said they were calling the police if I had any complaints.

True the motel is private property, but the guys in the offices of these places have been dealing with the street life for years and each motel office have different allegiances to these working girls. I have seen LE raid the motels too. Unless you know bona-fide which motel does what, I rather avoid them and not be trapped in the parking lot or motel with my pants down.

ALSO I don’t think the INFORMED from here do the multi-car chases of the ladies as much as the UNINFORMED who don’t read these forums.

UnTold

01-16-03, 04:23

NotoriousPoppa: I was not exaggerating when I stated 30 cars, I have seen accidents from all the cars jamming the street.

I watch a guy trying to get to a lady from a side street, he just ran the stop sign and jetted out onto VB. It was so quick, he T-BONED a car heading east on VB, then 3 other cars from both east and west directions T-BONED him. (I just happened to be a few cars back, just trying to ride past the traffic. If I had bee going any faster, I would have gotten T-BONED myself) With all that going on, dudes were still trying to pick up the ladies in the mess. The ladies eventually loaded into cars and were whisked away, and this poor guy smashed into someone’s car and then got T-BONED. He came up empty on the ladies too.

True, more usually it is less than a dozen cars flipping around to catch one or two ladies that are uglier that HELL! I have also seen the same action on 27th Ave, North of Indian School Road. That is usually no more than a half dozen cars flipping around. As for some of the other hot spots in Phoenix, you see maybe a few cars getting after one girl. VB is the only road where traffic just about stops when a SG hits the street!

I have been to Tucson on several occasions, and the only time I every saw any SG create some traffic jamming action was one white SG wearing some serious hot pants and strutting up the road from Curves Cabaret. I go to Tucson once in awhile for business and pleasure. I have always found when I go out looking for SG action, I am always disappointed due to the lack of action down there.

Merlin Magician

01-16-03, 10:59

Notorious, you and all the Tucson punters need to come and take look at our "ho" streets. I was out last weekend and saw many many fine looking babes. One run down VB revealed more fine honeys than I've seen in all of 5 years in Tucson.

Tucson is a vast wasteland when it comes to street pussy in my book.

SummerSausage

01-16-03, 11:19

Went to J-spa to see my favorite the other day ……………. it was vacation time, so I checked out the new Oriental Accupressure on Curry. Kind of set back from the road a bit. Went inside and was greeted by a nice slim (Chinese) girl ………… I think.

Really nice place inside as compared to the outside, which looks like a former auto repair place. I took the 30-minute massage and received all the normal AMP services. Good table shower …….. washed all the dirt and grime off!

The room was good sized. I also noticed a VIP room with what looked like a Jacuzzi. Will have to ask about that in the future. Also had a steam room.

I will go back for more treatment and check out the rest of the girls and facility.

SS

Mystic Pimp

01-16-03, 12:31

Well, the few times I have cruised on Van Buren I have seen really ugly crackhead hos...I have seen a few girls worth pulling over for, and yeah, a lineup of cars prevents that from happening. But then again, I haven't done the Van Buren thing a lot, cuz I always seem to see a LOT of cops when I traveled there. Also due to time constraints, and the "strip" that most people cruise. I would go as far east as the Loop 202, and usually no further west than 35th Ave.

I have NEVER seen any street action in the west valley when I was there, and the only place I've seen SG's outside of Phoenix has been on Apache Blvd in Tempe (and maybe Main St in Mesa). Personally, I prefer to drive on some of the east valley's main streets, they seem to be similar to Tucson's main streets.

Tucson is a hit-and-miss environment when it comes to street action, I will agree that there's probably more available in Phoenix. But check out the Tucson board before coming to the conclusion that there's nothing available down here. If there's anything Phoenix has over Tucson, it's the number of freeways around, so if one has to get out of the "hood" quickly.

One quick question, I thought Van Buren was going through some redevelopment. If this is true, what would you say are the east and west boundaries of the redevelopment? I haven't been there in a while, but I remember a lot of construction between downtown (7th St) and Loop 202.

UnTold

01-16-03, 15:11

NotoriousPoppa: VB is only good from about 43rd Ave east to 7th Ave, then pretty much the cops run off any streetwalkers between 7th Ave east to 7th Street. Sort of a DMZ for HO's. Then the action picks up again going all the way from 7th St to 44th Ave. They are building some nice business buildings and hotels down by 44th Street. There area a bunch of the old roach motel torn down and empty lots. They are supposed to revitalize it.

Be aware of a few things though. On 7th Street from VB to Loop 202, those ladies are not always what they seem. They are mostly shemales. Also from 7th Street to 16th Street many of the Latinas are actually Latinos too! (This is the section of VB where Danny Bonaduce from the Partridge Family beat up a shemale hooker either before, after, or during a BlowJob!)

And yes the girls are pretty bad at times, but I have had my share of HOTTIES on this strip. I have patience so i can lurk and watch for a nice one, or one I know from before. I see your point on Phoenix, but I do cruise many Phoenix areas, but resort to west valley as I am a west valley resident. I have punted over on the east valley and scored hotties over there too.

I go out MANY, MANY, nights and come home disappointed in Phoenix. So my reference to disappointment in Tucson meant that in the few times I do go there, I usually come up empty. The hit or miss environment of the street action makes it harder for me, as I don’t have as much time or patience as I do in Phoenix. Remember when I am down there for business, so I am not really out hunting ladies, it just ends up being a side note to the real reason I am down there; never the sole purpose. In Phoenix, I go HUNTING with that as the sole purpose for leaving the house! So no bad was meant by my comment!

If I ever went to Tucson with the sole purpose to punt, I would do my research before hand, as I did in the past. I had cut and pasted stuff from WSG and other forums and printed it off my laptop to use as reference. It is just hit or miss down there.

You seem to fall into the same situation when you punt up here with time constraints is about the same as I feel down there. Not enough time to crusie it all and get a good hit. I am sure if I your Tucson knowledge or you visa-versa with my Phoenix knowledge, we would do well in each other's town.

But enough on Tucson, I don't want to get flamed for too much of Tucson in the Phoenix forum!

Son House

01-16-03, 18:39

Picked up Pleasure on Saturday night on the corner by the Blue Moon. White SW with thick long straight brown hair, slender body, with c or d cup tits and a face that wasn't bad either. Agreed on $60 for half-&-half. Not bad service. She did have a little gut going on and a huge bruise on one of her legs, but she is on VB- It is the ghetto. I saw her out last night with another SW on 28th & VB. I've also seen Leslie a couple times in the past few days, but didn't stop. With so many SW out recently, unless the service is great-fuck it, I'll choose another. The petite Puerto Rican SW- Trinity has been out between 18th & 22nd everyday. You can spot her because although she's really pretty, she has facial features like a cocaine monkey. I love looking at the disappointment on the little chimps face when I slowly pass her by and wave her off. Read previous post about 4 pages back and you'll see why.

It's been a tricks market for the past 2 weeks. Every time I've gone out recently I've scored. None were crack monsters(Sucking the Devil’s dick) or ugly. If there has been 30 cars on each SW, I wouldn't know cause I'm the 1st. I am curious to find out if anyone has actually been arrested for this hobby in Phoenix? We post about LE a lot and were all out a lot. Who's been caught and what happened? Also, does Phoenix have a police blotter report listing all the arrest made by zip code or anything similar? Someone’s got to know.

The House

Mystic Pimp

01-16-03, 22:01

Untold: I won't flame you on Tucson references in the Phoenix forum. I just use it as a comparison to what I'm used to down here. Most of the time I go up to Phoenix to party anyway.

I wish I could get more info on the strip club scene there. I liked this one dancer at an all nude place (which was also an adult video store) that is near 40th St and University (I think that's the right area, I know it's by the airport). I know about the ripoff places by the airport with the "fruit" in their names.

Maybe the Phoenix forum should have a separate section for "Van Buren St"...it seems that's where most of you guys who post on here visit.

Merlin Magician

01-16-03, 22:29

Notorious, you are talking about Mr. Tease, located a block or so west of 40th st. and University. It's still a ripoff joint and dangerous too I may add. The madam lady there (the redhead) was involved in a murder with her son last year in Tempe. Scary people. The guy who was killed had been hanging out there. You'd be safer in the Blue Moon on VB but not by much.

Also I cruised up 27th AVe today about 5:30 PM and I saw many nice ones out doing business. I also saw some I'd not touch even with Notorious Poppa's dick (OK laf dammit). I also spotted LE lurking in car washes and behind buildings wherever there were girls.

Nice Latina at 27th Ave and Bethany home, Nice blonde working south of 27th Ave. and Glendale. Also a knockout redhead about 18 wearing a short maroon dress, long legs, and on rollerblades. I was tempted... ALso spotted one old but friendly and absolutely toofless crack ho blonde working at 27th Ave and Maryland.

Mystic Pimp

01-16-03, 22:35

*LOL* Merlin...pretty funny. Well, I was only there once, the girl I got a dance from was nice. What's the going rate for table dances at nude establishments versus topless? Or does it all vary? I didn't spend a lot that day, cuz of time constraints.

So with the N-S avenues and streets, what would you say is the boundary for street action? Same question for E-W streets besides Van Buren.

SuperDick

01-17-03, 01:36

I was out on "vice night" again.... It was really dead, a few decent one here and there between 16th st and 40th st and VB... I spotted my old friend Queen Bee, the Haitian, at a bus stop.. She wanted to get a room, i said hell no, we will go somewhere quiet, she offered $100 for FS, but i countered with $60, she gave a nice covered bj, ball licking, and different positions, she has great natural chocolate 36 DD tits, nice person, smiles and laughs alot.. she should be in town for a few months..
i would say the boundaries are 16th st to 40th st on VB, 7th st to 16th st on vb is kind of TVs, Shemales, and scary crack hos....
On 27th ave, i have seen action all the way from indian school to northern.. some action also on 19th ave from indian school, all the way up to peoria... 7th ave between camelback and indian school, may have some action too, i think because of a women halfway house there or something.. i did see this cute brown hair lady , looked 20, looked like an ASU college coed, really pretty, around 27th ave and indian school.... was whisked up fast....
I havent been busted in a long time, i have been harassed a few times, but never busted... However, in the past few months, i was followed by LE twice, once when they saw me stop on a side street, the LE followed me for about 2 miles on 16th st, then turned around.. another time they followed me from 16th st to central ave on vb.. they basically are just saying "get off VB and go the fuck home!!! lol..

WorldTraveller

01-17-03, 09:08

Was on VB yesterday about 2:30pm, saw one black SW being arrested near the Exxon at 24th, maybe about 19th saw LE harrassing another SW, down near 32nd, saw to HOT black SW's with hard little bodies, being harrassed at the circle k. I think yesterday was LE day!!

Merlin Magician

01-17-03, 21:29

Poppa I don't go into the titty bars much so I can't tell you a lot about prices. I'm more into safety issues and also I also don't like to go there because I'd rather be able to touch and fuck for similar money. That's why I stick to the MP's. If I wanted to be teased, I could do that for free at my office.(laf)

But there are some decent places like Eve's Tease at about 32nd ave and Indian School. I think table dances are about 15 bucks or so. Really pretty and friendly girls too. There was mention in a Phoenix board of another titty place at 7th Ave. and Camelback (s e corner just west of Arizona Sportsman)) that is pretty reasonable with fairly nice girls. The Highliter at 12th ST and Camelback (a block or two south) is safe but you'll spend about 20 bucks per table dance. Christie's Cabaret is also safe at 32nd St and Washington.

Mystic Pimp

01-17-03, 23:05

I hear you about being teased in strip clubs...hey if anyone can tell me about average prices for table dances in Phoenix area clubs (whether topless or fully nude) please let me know.

I have never done the massage thing, so I don't know if it's worth it or not. Do any ladies actually give a decent massage? If so, I might check out a couple...

Also, hope you guys are accurate when it comes to the numbered streets and avenues in the Phoenix area, ie. I wouldn't want to go somewhere that's on 7th Ave when it's really on 7th St.

UnTold

01-17-03, 23:41

NotoriousPoppa: The ones Merlin told you are alright, but I like to go to a titty bar to get a beer and enjoy the view. I don't like EVE's TEASE because most of the FULLY nude club’s in phoenix cost about as much as a good massage. There is the 5 to 10 dollar cover, the 2 SODA minimum at 6 to 8 dollars per soda or juice. (No alcohol allowed) on top of tipping at the stage, then the VIP room of 40 bucks or more for the VIP ROOM and that does not include the 10-20 dollar per lap/table dance. In some clubs table dances can only be done in the VIP room and not in the regular seats near the stage. So after a little touchy feely, you are out what you could have paid for a great massage and a BJ.

Stay with the ALCOHOL served titty bars. Usually the cover is cheaper, you got alcohol, the topless table dances are done at the table, and are usually cheaper than the FULL NUDE clubs.

I use them as a warm up or cool down after to a massage. Phoenix’s little secret is the CANDY STORE on Union Hills and Cave Creek Road (Just a few miles south of the Loop 101 off the Cave Creek Exit) and they are “5” dollar table dances and the ladies are HOT! They are only a notch down from Christie’s ladies, and that is supposedly the best in the valley. The other “5” dollar table dance bar is TEASERS on 7th Ave and Camelback. It looks like a old biker bar; it is safe but the bar and some of the the ladies have seen some miles. Lots of GRINDING at TEASERS, probably more grinding than you can get at the CANDY STORE.

As for the rest in the valley, depending on the bar you hit, YMMV.

I use the CANDY STORE when I visit any of ATOH’s three establishments, since all three MP’s are on Cave Creek going south to Dunlap. I use TEASERS for Mid-town and several of the places around Central Phoenix.

I use the bars to compliment my massage from time to time. It makes for one relaxing night! Now don't make a night of it in the clubs and spend more than one or two massages worth of coin there. A small cover, a few beers, a couple of dances at 5 dollars and you should get away with about 40 to 50 bucks spent. If you go during the day, there is no cover at the two places I mentioned, so a beer, and 3 dances, you spent a 20 spot!

Merlin Magician

01-18-03, 12:27

Poppa, if you have not tried the massage scene in Phoenix, you absolutely do not know what you are missing. As I have said many times, Tucson is a vast wasteland for quality massage. Read back in the posts on what buster cherry, untold, and myself are saying about the best massage places in town.

I'd hate for you to come to Phoenix and on your first foray, get ripped off if you accidently go into Fantasy island, Sliders, or any massage place near the airport. I'd hate it if you accidently went to one of the more ligit places looking for "extras" and come away embarrassed. (been there-done that)

Start with the places we recommend and you will be ok. In fact, it will open up a whole new world for you. You may even decide to move to Phoenix. Ready availability of quality massage providers is why I'm here instead of Texas (or Tucson).

Even though I don't particpate with street girls, (except in Sydney) Phoenix has a great variety of girls working VB, E. Thomas, .27th ave, and 16th St..

j-man

01-18-03, 17:53

I have been active and thaought that I should finally post again.

I stopped by Phoenix Massage on 27th ave and Indian School, NW corner. Saw Angel, said that only a 35 min massage available, it was 40 till the hour, she was a good looking latina, nice body, great tits, Could be a D cup. I agreed, got a 25 min massage. We chatted all the way thru the massage, asked if I visited any other MPs, I mentioned a few and the stories and names of the owners and so on. I beleive she was doing her due diligence about the LE problem here. Told me to roll over and ask if I wanted I want a Swedish Massage,pointing to her hand, a deep massage, pointing to her mouth or a theraputic massage, touching her groin, (I may have confused the names of the massage with the body part, but you understand) 80 130 and 200 dollars respectively, she came down a little but she new that she was good looking and this was not her first time pricing the grade A. I took the FS, she left and came back, Nice Nice tits, she climbed on top did the oral thing for a few min. and wanted to get on bottom. Like I said this is not her first time, so as I was working it she was a great actress, the movement the moans and the best part was her screaming "fuck me fuck me harder" Now I like the AMPs and I go often but this chicka was fun and worth the money, I know that alot of you like variety. I just thought that this was a jewel. Also, I would call to make sure she is there to see. She said she works some where else a couple days a week. Was it worth the money, I am torn, I mean the best looking women I have had were always free, I seem to just pay the 8's and below, somethings is wrong here, but she was at least an 8 on my book. Someone try her and let me know if I am on track with the number system or I have lost my friggin mind paying so much.

later

Mystic Pimp

01-18-03, 19:25

It sounds like the story is the same with Phoenix and Tucson, the topless bars are better than the all nude places. So do they have drink specials at any of the topless places? It's good to know they have $5 table dances available in places there. Thanks for the advice.

Originally posted by UnTold
NotoriousPoppa: The ones Merlin told you are alright, but I like to go to a titty bar to get a beer and enjoy the view. I don't like EVE's TEASE because most of the FULLY nude club’s in phoenix cost about as much as a good massage. There is the 5 to 10 dollar cover, the 2 SODA minimum at 6 to 8 dollars per soda or juice. (No alcohol allowed) on top of tipping at the stage, then the VIP room of 40 bucks or more for the VIP ROOM and that does not include the 10-20 dollar per lap/table dance. In some clubs table dances can only be done in the VIP room and not in the regular seats near the stage. So after a little touchy feely, you are out what you could have paid for a great massage and a BJ.

Stay with the ALCOHOL served titty bars. Usually the cover is cheaper, you got alcohol, the topless table dances are done at the table, and are usually cheaper than the FULL NUDE clubs.

I use them as a warm up or cool down after to a massage. Phoenix’s little secret is the CANDY STORE on Union Hills and Cave Creek Road (Just a few miles south of the Loop 101 off the Cave Creek Exit) and they are “5” dollar table dances and the ladies are HOT! They are only a notch down from Christie’s ladies, and that is supposedly the best in the valley. The other “5” dollar table dance bar is TEASERS on 7th Ave and Camelback. It looks like a old biker bar; it is safe but the bar and some of the the ladies have seen some miles. Lots of GRINDING at TEASERS, probably more grinding than you can get at the CANDY STORE.

As for the rest in the valley, depending on the bar you hit, YMMV.

I use the CANDY STORE when I visit any of ATOH’s three establishments, since all three MP’s are on Cave Creek going south to Dunlap. I use TEASERS for Mid-town and several of the places around Central Phoenix.

I use the bars to compliment my massage from time to time. It makes for one relaxing night! Now don't make a night of it in the clubs and spend more than one or two massages worth of coin there. A small cover, a few beers, a couple of dances at 5 dollars and you should get away with about 40 to 50 bucks spent. If you go during the day, there is no cover at the two places I mentioned, so a beer, and 3 dances, you spent a 20 spot!

Mystic Pimp

01-18-03, 19:26

I've never tried the massage scene anywhere...sounds like I may be missing out though...:)

Originally posted by merlin magician
Poppa, if you have not tried the massage scene in Phoenix, you absolutely do not know what you are missing. As I have said many times, Tucson is a vast wasteland for quality massage. Read back in the posts on what buster cherry, untold, and myself are saying about the best massage places in town.

I'd hate for you to come to Phoenix and on your first foray, get ripped off if you accidently go into Fantasy island, Sliders, or any massage place near the airport. I'd hate it if you accidently went to one of the more ligit places looking for "extras" and come away embarrassed. (been there-done that)

Start with the places we recommend and you will be ok. In fact, it will open up a whole new world for you. You may even decide to move to Phoenix. Ready availability of quality massage providers is why I'm here instead of Texas (or Tucson).

Even though I don't particpate with street girls, (except in Sydney) Phoenix has a great variety of girls working VB, E. Thomas, .27th ave, and 16th St..

Mystic Pimp

01-18-03, 19:29

Many of the places you guys recommend, whether they be topless bars or massage parlors, do any of them have decent freeway access (like within 1 or 2 miles of any major freeway)? Just curious. Also curious to the average prices at massage parlors. Thank you.

Mystic Pimp

01-18-03, 20:09

For those of you who go looking for hookers in Tempe, this is what the city council is doing these days with undercover cops there. Check out the link.

http://www.arizonarepublic.com/news/articles/0118chiefsmoke.html

Merlin Magician

01-18-03, 21:33

Notorious, You are going to have to drive the ground streets to get to most of the parlors. The ones close to I 10 are in vacinity of the airport and you know what we say about that area....

Just remember that north-south avenues are the west part and north-south streets are the east part of Phoenix. Once you learn the major east-west streets its pretty easy to get around.

The A Touch of Heaven shops are not that hard to get to. You can go up I 10 to I 17 to Dunlap and go back east to 7th St where Cave Creek begins at that intersection. Take a left onto Cave Creek and look on your left a block or so north for ATOH. You would have driven past their Dunlap store a block or so before reaching 7th St. Cave Creek store is farther up just past Cactus on the right in a little strip center.

If you have not done the massage store thing before, this is where I recommend you start. Outstanding service at a reasonable price.

UnTold

01-18-03, 22:07

Merlin is pretty much right. As for CANDY STORE... take I-10 NORTH to I-17 NORTH, and get off 101 LOOP EAST and then south on the CAVE CREEK EXIT. If you know how to get to 101 LOOP from the EAST valley, take it WEST to CAVE CREEK EXIT. CANDY STORE is about a mile or so south on CAVE CREEK and UNION HILLS.

As for the other ATOH shops, continuing down CAVE CREEK SOUTH as it turns WEST, you will pass all 3 ATOH shops (2 on CAVE CREEK and 1 on DUNLAP where CAVE CREEK ends)

As for TEASERS, take I-10 to I-17 NORTH and get off CAMELBACK ROAD and go east a few miles to 7th AVE. It is on the southeast corner of the intersection. (When you get off I-17 you are at about 23rd AVE)

AS for the MP's, I found a site with a list of several establishments mentioned in these forums. Use MAPQUEST to map out their locations. I don't remember where I found this list, but it has many of the MP's in the valley.
http://www.fza.com/massage/04013.htm

mmd

01-19-03, 01:52

About a year ago, I was in PHX, found a decent black SW on west VB, we pulled into a small alley, I made the stuppidest mistake ever, something I always am aware of, but I had a few to drink, and blew it... I left my wallet in my back pocket... she slamed a rubber on me, which I didn't complain because she was doing a good job... she was very agressive and pulled my pants down further... I heard a noise, it was her taking the cash out of my wallet.... I grabed her hand, and all I could get where my credit card reciepts. I got my wallet back with my cards, I was just out about $50, I told her to get out of my car and she said, your tripin'.... about that time a truck pulled up real slow... I was very SCARED... well, she got out, and all I ended up losing was a $50 spot... could have been much worse... Dont missunderstand me, I know most of the rules to this game, I have had a few SWs in my day, but just saying guys... be carefull, and try to pick your spot to do your thing, if you go to hers... you could get jacked!

I tried again about 6 months later in around the same area... another black girl, but she was very hot... nice boots and mini skirt! She got in and immediatly said to go to the store to get condoms... she had a decent sized purse that also made me weary, well I said, no condom just a bbbj... she said you sick mother F**** she got out and left the door open.... well I closed it, and saw a different girl coming, I was gonna try my luck with her... well the original one came back and was gonna mace me if I didn't leave... I pulled out of the parking lot just in time since my window was down... this was a huge can of mace too. I have had girls in 4 cities, but these where the closest calls ever for me, Im sure you guys are aware, but be carefull on VB, I lived in PHX for a while and still visit, but have only had 1 successfull bj! Its too bad because everytime I see the highest quality, but also have the biggest risks! I guess it comses with the territory!

Stay safe guys!

UnTold

01-19-03, 20:29

After leaving one of the local MP’s, I decided to check out a few hot spots on the way home. I pulled onto 27th Ave from Camelback road heading south. There were 7 Phoenix PD squad cars in the same parking lot as Jack in the Box. I drove south to Indian School and not one SG out. I figured, hey, this is Sat Night; there are usually ladies out and about, regardless of LE. The cops were out in forces on that tiny strip and not one lady. I looped around for a few times JUST TOO SEE, as I would not chance punting! NO LADIES, just cops.

I continued down 27th all the way to VB, and sure as heck 6 different LE cars across from the FOOD CITY on 27th Ave and VB harassing several SG’s and clients while hauling them off. I was going to turn EAST on VB to head for the streets, and I figure NOPE, I’ll just go west and go home. By the time I got to 35th Ave, I seen 3 more LE cars coming up the road from 35th Ave. That made 9 total cruising VB between 27th and 35th Ave.

I figured I got a great massage with the finish I like, so I would not roll the dice and try my luck. I just watch for a few minutes and went home! LE was out on a roll!

UnTold

01-19-03, 20:38

mmd: There are a few rules I abide by that were broken

ONE - Never leave your wallet on you. Hide it in the truck, back of your vehicle, console, somewhere where she can’t get to it. Any other jewelry, watches, or anything else of value, hide them in vehicle. DO NOT LEAVE in POCKETS! Only have the MAX you want to spend in your pocket, nothing more.

TWO - Never ever go to a place the lady suggests. Always pick spot you have canvassed before hand. If she does not want to go, leave her. There are more where she came from.

THREE – Never, ever chase the ladies while DRUNK. Be aware! If LE did pick you up, they got not only got you for the solicitation but pound you with either DUI or DWI charges! I can deal with a solicitation charges, but the DUI/DWI charges suck even worse!

OU812

01-21-03, 16:10

FYI - Last weekend I picked up this latina near 36th or 37th
street on VB, near some rundown motels. It was about 8am
in the morning. I didn't see no one out and decided to chance
it with this SW. She had black hair just past her shoulders
about 5'3", looked like a druggie now that I think about it. She said she had a place, but I told her I wanted to go back to my room nearby. I paid her $40 she got naked, but wanted me to wash up before she gave me head. Well, as I was doing that she got dressed and threatened to mace me with pepper spray. I asked what she was doing and grabbed my clothes and ran into the restroom. She wanted another $20 from, I had to decide if I wanted to beat the shit out of her and create a scene or give her the $20. After about 10 minutes in the restroom I gave her the
$20 and she left. She did try to spray me but missed. Anyway,
just thought I would give this info out in case anyone runs
across this *****. She works close to that bill johnsons on VB.
Wears a black leather jacket or something like that. I have
decided to stick with the massage parlors even if it is a little
more.

Merlin Magician

01-21-03, 21:20

OU8 that one sounds like a prime candidate for some dude to get pissed and send her silly ass to the morgue.

I remember a cash and dash ***** here two years ago who got pinned by a Rambo knife to the lawn of a one of the local motels.

That guy is now in the pen and she is in Potter's Field.

Last one tried to mace me took flying lessons. In 1982, in Odessa
Texas, one lady tried to learn to fly between the 3rd floor balcony and the pool deck of a Ramada Inn. Damned if she didn't get up and run. I still have her mace cannister.

gpoggioli

01-22-03, 00:54

hi all, does anyone know when the best time to hang out at hatcher to see the beauties?

Merlin Magician

01-22-03, 10:54

GPO, you catch the ladies on Hatcher at most any time. Depends on when the needs from their drug habits kick in.

But...beauties? I guess beauty IS in the eyes of the beholder. Over the years, I have met some of the ugliest skank ho's on Van Buren who are really pretty nice people who are beautiful on the inside. I've also met some very pretty ones who were venomous and heartless as hell to the core.

ZeoPro

01-22-03, 22:51

Just curious..... If you go hunting on VB and happen to bag something.. what is a good, safe, cheap motel to go to?

Milkyway

01-23-03, 04:43

Nice board here. I guess I go out 3-4 times a month looking for lovly ladies, it's nice to have this place to pick up ideas for new locations to check out. I dont do the MP things its to expensive in my opinion. My usual thing is to check out VB from 44th st to 34th ave. Usually sticking in the Aves. I think I'll check out the sites tonigth since its not to late yet. ;) Anyone ever spoted and Asian women out and about? Hispanic Women make a nice substitue for them but there is nothing quite like a lovly asian woman to make my day.

Mr. Bing

01-23-03, 04:59

Untold:
I absolutely agree with you about the Candy Store
Great value for your $$. Can't believe more poeple don't talk about it.

Cruised by the West spots from 11.30pm to 1.30am:
27th ave dead except for one john gettin busted aroun Indian School.
West VB dead
35th ave and VB 1 blonde but LE just around the corner
back on 27th ave 1 crack ho and still some LE around
West Glendale dead

I just got back from a month break and was getting excited about your previous posts on how it had picked up but tonite dead.
Wrong hour maybe...

Inaz

01-24-03, 03:04

Well - its been a while since I posted...but have been busy recently.

Noticed things have picked up a lot on VB. Seems very active during the day and early evening. I usually stick between16th and 40th but I have seen some decent SG as far as 48th. Here are some details...

Couple weeks ago...Picked up Jessica by the Taco stand on 22nd(?) the one before the overpass. She almost blew me off because she thought I was a cop but I convinced her otherwise. She has brown hair and a killer body! Small, perfect shaped tits...I was knocked out! We went down to the Desert Wind. She did 1/2 n 1/2 for 60...what a deal!

Week or so ago...picked up Trinity by the same Taco stand. She was cute and nice body...but not real friendly. Went to Desert Wind and did business...that is about all I can say about that.

Just last Friday - saw a smiley blonde on VB inthe AM....then later on Scottsdale Rd around noon. She was in sweat suit...but ran into that night on VB in a nice short dress and heels. Her name is Thousand...got a kick out of that. We got a roomand got busy...she smelled great :) and looked great...loved the blomde hair and southern accent!

Seems to be more girls out lately and decent quality along VB for a change.

Mystic Pimp

01-24-03, 14:21

So is that 16th St, 40th St, 48th St, east of Central Ave that you are referring to?

Originally posted by inaz
Well - its been a while since I posted...but have been busy recently.

Noticed things have picked up a lot on VB. Seems very active during the day and early evening. I usually stick between16th and 40th but I have seen some decent SG as far as 48th. Here are some details...

Couple weeks ago...Picked up Jessica by the Taco stand on 22nd(?) the one before the overpass. She almost blew me off because she thought I was a cop but I convinced her otherwise. She has brown hair and a killer body! Small, perfect shaped tits...I was knocked out! We went down to the Desert Wind. She did 1/2 n 1/2 for 60...what a deal!

Week or so ago...picked up Trinity by the same Taco stand. She was cute and nice body...but not real friendly. Went to Desert Wind and did business...that is about all I can say about that.

Just last Friday - saw a smiley blonde on VB inthe AM....then later on Scottsdale Rd around noon. She was in sweat suit...but ran into that night on VB in a nice short dress and heels. Her name is Thousand...got a kick out of that. We got a roomand got busy...she smelled great :) and looked great...loved the blomde hair and southern accent!

Seems to be more girls out lately and decent quality along VB for a change.

Frank Africa

01-24-03, 17:49

After reading all of these stories about "cash & dash" all I can say is - why not patronize a reliable incall girl like Lucy Lee? She may cost a bit more but is hassle-free.

Mystic Pimp

01-24-03, 18:49

Here's a question on escorts: how much info do U think is "enough" to give an escort, and how much is too much? I can accept them screening guys, I suppose they shouldn't fuck just anybody, but there's gotta be some good balance somewhere.

j-man

01-24-03, 20:00

streets are east and avenues are west.

Justwatching

01-24-03, 20:31

While I have noticed there has been a pick up in activity on VB as aptly described on this board, I have also noted a pick up of LE activity as well.....to curtail this influx of birds into our community.

Given that this is my regular route home and I do enjoy the change in scenery everyday, I noted nearly seven LE vehicles out on the streets. It does appear that the operatives are going high-tech themselves....with all facilitators/participants using cell phones as their AWS (Advanced Warning Systems).

Merlin Magician

01-24-03, 21:23

"curtail this influx of birds" ????

I'm assuming you mean the fuckbirds not the snowbirds...

Merlin Magician

01-24-03, 21:43

poppa:

If it's a street, its a north to south road located east of downtown. Central runs north-south through downtown . It's where all the tall buildings are...

Avenues are the north to south roads west of Central.

The atypical Phoenix rent-a-pussy cruise usually begins on east Van Buren at about 52nd St. all the way toward the west, on through downtown, to about 51st Ave. on the west side. A total ground street run of about 9 miles one-way. Some days it's good; some days it's bad.

From VB you will intersect 27th Ave on the west side. You can cruise up 27th Ave from VB all the way to Northern. It "peters" out ( no pun intended) north of Northern.

You will also intersect 16th St. from VB and you can cruise north to about Indian School and that's about where the pussy usually gets scarce.

Going up 16th St., you will intersect Thomas. You can cruise Thomas back east to about 44th St and you will find many girls working, especially Buster Cherry's famous "Farm Girl."

You can cruise up 27th Ave and take Thomas west to about 67th Ave and find a few girls. Go further up 27th Ave and try Glendale going west. After 43rd Ave, you will see many ladies working. all the way to 67th Ave or so. Around 59th AVe west, you will find the cream of the "crack ho" crop.

Bon appetit'.

2nd Chance

01-25-03, 02:07

Occasionally, I've cruised VB from 27th ave to 51st ave... I've never seen very much. I don't ever recall seeing anything from 35th ave to 51st ave. It seems way too dark to see anything! Has anyone found any action beyond 35th ave heading west on VB? Any lookers or just crack ho's? About what time is best for cruising to the west?

UnTold

01-25-03, 03:37

2ndChance: You ask if there is anything happening west of 35th Ave on VB. The answer is YES. It is very rare, but once in awhile you see them in the area mostly across from the Chinese Food Restaurant. They hang right at that first or second block past 35th Ave on the north side of the street. I have also seen them in the front parking lots of the businesses running west toward 43rd Ave. I have seen them using the trailer parks more near 43 also. I have seen a mix from hot white, Latina, and blacks, all varieties from awesome young ladies to CRACK-HO’s.

BUT the only time you will see them between 35th and 43rd is if a few other things are happening. When LE is bashing everything EAST of 35th Ave, When it is hotter in the summer, (One of the girls told me it is cooler down by the trees in front of the businesses) or when on occasion VB east of 35th Ave is saturated with women (Which again is mostly during the summer)

I have seen some nice young white girls working last summer at 67th Ave and VB in the Tolleson area, and as far west as MC 85 (Buckeye Road) in Avondale / Goodyear. Again that is mostly in the summer.

I live south west of the central Phoenix, so I know the resources going toward Buckeye. Pretty much Litchfield Park Road and MC 85 (Buckeye Road) is the furthest west I have seen any women.

I have made a few connections with some of these extreme westside ladies and they are about the same as anything else along VB.

UnTold

01-25-03, 03:56

I will say I found two other obscure places for SG's.

Last week, I was up on Bell Road by the Horse Track (near 19th Ave) and there was two white and very young SG's working that section of the street. They were using the car dealerhips as a place to hide between pickups. I was watching them from one of the bars nearby. (I was not out punting, just happened upon these two ladies by coincidence)

Another place I saw some black and latinas a few nights ago was on Hatcher in the Sunnyslope area. It was about 1 AM and there was about 2 or three of them working on Hatcher between Central Ave and 7th Street. Frst time I had not seen anyone working this street in awhile. I did not try these ladies as I was drinking and I try to refrain from picking up ladies with alcohol on the breath. Just another thing for LE to bust ya for.

Mr. Bing

01-25-03, 04:31

Untold: Was your first sighting (19th ave and Bell) during the day or at night? Weekday or weekend?
Have you seen them again since?

Live around the area and would pefer this over VB...

atredwood

01-25-03, 04:38

Coming to Phoenix and requst help.

I'll be attending a conference in May at the Sheraton Wild Horse Pass Resort and Spa. This appears
to be on I-10 where Maripoca switches from North to South.

Since I don't know the phoenix area, the post about locations
are uncomprehensible to me.

Is there a place where I can get a FBSM, no FS or French near by that anyone can recommend?

Mystic Pimp

01-25-03, 14:22

Thanks to you guys who helped me out w/ my questions. Interesting that there's activity in north Phoenix. I know a few people that just moved to the Sunnyslope area you describe. I have never driven in there (I'd usually take one of the freeways if I'm going that far north). I don't really think of Glendale having a lot of hookers, I used to go by there a LOT, and never see anything. I usually take a road atlas of metro Phoenix when I go up there, I think I can figure out all the main streets. So do you guys ever find anything on little streets that run parallel to the main roads (ie a block north or south of Van Buren)?

j-man

01-25-03, 14:45

I have picked up a wide variety of women in North Phoenix. I have picked up 5 or 6 nice ladies South of Thunderbird on Cave Creek Rd. I have seen them off and on all the way to Dunlap, I have also picked up several on 7th St north of Dunlap. And Bell Rd, i have picked a up girls from 26th ave all the way to the 51, but it is sporadiac at best. but the quality seem higher and it definitely isn't the crack ho's of VB. I would not driver a long way to cruise Bell Rd, since it is hit or miss but when i have been in the area and looking I have been fairly successful. These dates have all been past 6 or 7 and as late as 1 or 2 am. Hope this helps.

j-man

01-25-03, 14:49

What does FBSM stand for, my mind is blank.

Merlin Magician

01-25-03, 20:46

Lemme guess:

FBSM Full Bore Sado-Masochistic?

SuperDick

01-25-03, 23:16

Bell Road, eh?? wow that is far up north!!! I did see some action around 19th ave and peoria, by the ampm, young 20 year old latina a few months ago.... You can find certain areas of action at other places other than the Famous VB strip...

19th ave between thomas all the way up to peoria has some sporadic hit and miss...

also 7th ave between camelback and indian school...

27th ave and indian school seems to be picking up lately....

I am going for a jaunt on the east side, mesa/tempe area. main st from price all the way to country club...anyone else know of any action on the east side of town???

Son House

01-26-03, 02:34

My God was there a lot of action on East VB tonight. I counted at least 25 SW at 9:30 pm. Saw a white girl(6) working with a Oriental girl(7) between 16th & 18th streets. A little crouching tiger-hidden dragon action was tempting, but I'm so glad I waited. Saw a black girl(4-with a loud mouth) working with a Hispanic or light skin black girl(8) in a school girl outfit. There were lines of cars, but they were hardly getting in any. The black girl was doing all the talking, but wouldn't get in the car to discuss or let her friend leave by herself. Did anyone try them? The best of the best was Barbara. My God! I found her sitting at the bus bench just east of 32nd by the old Denny's. This hot white girl had all these black pimps and drug dealers around her so I was leery at first. She was also dressed well. Not typical VB ho clothes. I got her attention and she walked down to the parking lot and met me by herself. Damn this girl was smoking. Long blonde hair, cute face, good young body, but absolutely the biggest natural titties I’ve seen on a girl with her frame. If it’s Saturday night and your reading this, go find this girl. She just got out. She said she used to dance at Christy’s. We ended knowing some of the same people from another club and she totally topped notch. She wanted $100 for FS and $80 for a CBJ. I talked her down to $60 for the ladder. We went to the desert wind, but they had no rooms available; that much action tonight. Received good service, for the car, with no rush. Had a great time playing with her tits and I can’t wait to get this girl in a room. She got a black jacket on that somewhat hide the cannons that will become obvious once she joins you. Good luck.

The House

UnTold

01-26-03, 06:29

Mr. Bing: What I saw on Bell Road, was just a few hours after Sunset, between 7PM and 9PM, and it was on a weekday. I just happened to be going from the Steel Horse Saloon to Coyote Wild. I went over the ther 3rd bar behind the Coyote Wild (I forgot the name of the 3rd one, but this one's entrance faces Bell Road.) when I say them. It was last week and I have not been back there since. It was, I think, Thurs!

I was out tonight around 10PM and I saw two Crack HO's as I was going west on Glendale Ave toward Grand Ave. They were a little nasty, but if I would have had more time tonight, I may have attempted. (I was going to a friend's place, no time to get mixed up with the SG's tonight.)

SuperDick

01-26-03, 15:22

son house , thanks for all the info.. yeah VB sounded like it was hopping the other night, lots of hoes everywhere.. this Barbara you are talking about sounds familiar, like that one girl passion or something from Detroit, Michigan, young, 20, blonde, huge natural 34 D tits, great body.. but this is a different female, man hook me up!! lol.... anyway, i will take a drive down the track today for some pre super bowl action...

WorldTraveller

01-28-03, 23:54

alot of action today on 27th Ave. and on 35th Ave., also alot of LE action. I saw several SW's turned around to get another look at a blonde on 27th south of glendale, she was way animated and obviously drugged out of her mind, just as I was getting a better look at her, LE made a U-turn to come back to check her out, as I drove back by a few mins later, he had her up against the car harrassing her. Saw a few on 19th Ave between Peoria and VB. Did alot of driving today, but no buying.

IkneadU

01-29-03, 01:28

FBSM = Full Body Sensual Massage :o)

SanDawg

01-29-03, 02:45

Anyone have any insight to the Hidden Valley Health Club? I saw it while surfing azmassage. Any insight would be appreciated.

SanDawg

WorldTraveller

01-29-03, 10:20

Hidden Valley is a part of ANIMA Day Spa. I can only say this, if they are priced anything like ANIMA they are very expensive. I have been there, GREAT massage, however, any extras were well above the "normal" phx. area prices (they are somewhat negotiable, yet still higher). Mind you, the massage was excellent!

I understand that the only way you can get a "membership" to Hidden Valley is if you go into ANIMA and request info from your massage therapist. I had full intentions of doing that, but after I was quoted the high prices from extras, I decided against even asking for further info.

If anyone has further information, please post...

SanDawg

01-29-03, 20:14

WorldTraveler,

Thanks, I think you just saved me some time and money. I'm assuming same type of price structure with sliders?

Buster Cherry

01-29-03, 21:28

SanDawg, yes you are correct on Sliders. Very high dollar. Also, add Ultimate and Fantasy Island in Scottsdale to the very high dollar list.

I always say the difference between $150 F/S and $350 F/S is $200.

SanDawg

01-29-03, 22:10

BusterCherry,

Thanks for the heads up. Damn, for 350 she'd have to make me cum til I look like a raisin, then turn into a bottle of Jack and a burger. I'm just kinda tired of the Asian thing (I'm Asian myself) and looking for new twist to the MP game. Back in San Diego it's all AMP. Thanks for the info, you guys have saved me a ton of money.

SanDawg

IkneadU

01-29-03, 23:52

SanDawg, ssssssshhhhhhh! I finally hire an Asian therapist for some variety because I hear so much about their services being so pleasurable and you're 'kinda tired of the Asian thing'? No! Say it isn't so! LOL

Just kidding...I just thought that "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" so I just hired 'Ti' to fill that spot for the guys who enjoy the Asian ladies. She's Chinese and claims to not like working for the AMP's.

Joe Blow

01-30-03, 10:37

Once again, the afternoon on VB was bustling! Drove down about 3:00 from 7th to 40th and spotted lots of people, and not one LE. Nobody else notices this? They all seemed young, too! :)

j-man

01-30-03, 13:53

I was out yesterday, I agree, there were alot of SW's out on VB, and no LE, I must have seen20 of them yesterday east of central during the mid to late afternoon. Alot of young black women.
When I finally had time to partake, it was past midnight, so I cruised West VB. Lots of girls, correction lots of skanky ho's, maybe twenty or so up and down the drag. No cars, no cops, just drove up and down till I found a suitable one. Choose well, got quite the hummer( bbbj) for 20.00 only regret that I didn't stop and break it, could have got the same for 15, maybe less. Buyers Market. I asked the girl where all the LE was, she said that there was a shooting earlier at the Circle K on W VB the one catty corner from the Food City. But after that they just disappeared. Have to love paper work. LOL.

Good Hunting.

SlimShady2K

01-30-03, 23:58

Has anyone ever had anytime w/ this chick named Derinda? She has a website @ http://groups.msn.com/SpreaDMewide/ I'm just wondering cuz I would like to see about a get together with her, just see if anyone has had some good experience(s) w/ her. Also wondering what the average escort is charging for an hour in metro Phoenix.

WorldTraveller

01-31-03, 10:24

Another Report on ANIMA Spa.......This one not so good, went back to try again, got another little latina hottie, named Angela. As I was laying there face down getting my massage, sometimes she would get her crotch right on my elbow and grind a bit on my elbow. Throughout the whole session she would kinda sigh, like she was disgusted that she hadda miss some tv show, or would really rather be doing something else, Only massaged my back, nothing else. When she was "done" there was no offer of extras, and when I asked if that was it, she said you paid for an hour, your time is up....funny thing, when I was getting dressed, I noticed several condoms in a bowl on the table.....maybe I didn't give the right signs during the massage? I have really never run into this before, so I am not sure what to think. Maybe next time, if there is one, I will just lie on the table face up instead of face down....Help me here guys, what did I do wrong? or was it just an "off" night?

Merlin Magician

01-31-03, 21:31

Worldtraveller: Sounds like you just got fucked without a condom. Spread the word. Us punters have to fight the ripoff artists.

If you belong to Dave's list, be sure and post your findings there.

Azanluver

01-31-03, 22:07

What ever happened to Pattaya that used to be on Thomas? I heard that it moved to Scottsdale. If so, where? Are the same girls still there?

Thanks

Buster Cherry

01-31-03, 22:52

Azan:
Pattaya moved to Scottsdale. It is now called Phuket. It is located south off Camelback about a block, maybe closer to Saddlebag Trail. Its due east of Fairy Massage. Same girls I hear.

IkneadU

01-31-03, 23:02

WorldTraveller, it sounds like you got it right when you said that she "would really rather be doing something else". Either she made BIG money before you came along and she didn't feel that she needed to make anymore, she was PMSing and couldn't handle being civil about it or she just wanted to be a ***** for the sake of being a *****. Either way, she shouldn't have taken you if she didn't want to give it her best.

SuperDick

02-01-03, 06:52

it looks like the average escort charges at least $200 an hour for fs.. there is this real cute 18 year old hottie on eros.com that looks sort of like kelly osborne, (if you think she is cute, lol) that charges $200, and doesnt ask for tips.. lucy lee on eros.com charges $250 for fs. and has gotten some good reviews on various escort websites....

Egg

02-01-03, 12:45

Hello phoenix,

I’ve been in town on business for 4 days (and nights!) and have to say you have a superb scene here. Here are some observations…

Van Buren East Side (16th St-40th St). Friday night at 9 pm saw 25 girls from 3-4 to 9-10; many looked very hot, dressed in mini skirts or short shorts. This was typical of most afternoons & evenings I was in town.

Van Buren West Side (7th Ave-35th Ave). Friday night at 8:45 pm saw 7 girls from 3-4 to 9-10. The girls on this side are usually a little skanky, but there is the occasional gem.

27th Ave – zilch – searched numerous times – saw one sw (?) getting into a car

16th Street – zilch – searched numerous times

Peggy - 26 Thomas around 24th Street 3pm - natural redhead, cute, freckles, saggy tits & flabby pussy. Charged $50 bbbj then cfs in car; invited back to her apt, then disappeared; left shoes.

Sonya 31 West Van Buren near trailer park @ 27th Ave – bbbjtc $20 – long dark hair, good skills, good attitude. Didn’t swallow. I think she’s an amateur working when needed to pay the rent.

Cocoa – 11:30 pm -Patience rewarded, after I had been looking for over an hour. 24 years old black girl. 10 for looks, 10 for body, 10 for attitude. $60 for cbj & cfs in multiple positions, very firm C cup tits & rippling abs; from Cuba, very tight pussy. $15 tip. Got her phone # but she wasn’t in when I called. Rooms with Asia, a Vietnamese girl who I met on the street – very attractive. Cocoa is a consummate professional, gives excellent service and charged me a price below what she can command given her looks, body and service. Highly recommended.

Candy – 22 12:30 am – W VB at 25th – I bought her a coffee, then went for cbj and cfs in car for $13. ‘nuf said. Avoid.

Sugar – 24 – E VB at 24th – 9 pm - 9 for looks, 8 body, very slender & shapely body with A cup tits, very good cbj and cfs. Lovely pussy, with ring through labia. Very tight, multiple positions, very skillful. Finished with missionary. Highly recommended. Got her # and hope to use it.

Beware! I picked up one tall blond with great legs in a mini skirt with curly ringlets who was…a he (I always check). I dropped him off on the next side street.

Note: a couple of the girls I met who are working the streets in Phoenix are true pros who have taken this business to the next level. I talked with 2 who said they are making $1,000 a day! They have a business plan that any CEO would envy (do the math). They don’t do drugs, they take care of themselves, they own homes & multiple cars, they practice totally safe sex, and they go out on the street every day, then give extraordinary performances 8-10 times a day. You gotta admire that kind of grit and backbone and success. Sure, I get my piece of this girl’s pussy for my hard-earned $60 or $70, but think about it: she’s bringing home a cool $250-300,000 a year (that’s a lot more than I make – and totally tax-free). I see these girls as highly successful entrepeneurs, ultimate risk takers and gutsy true street warriors. I wouldn’t dare do what they do. These girls deserve real respect.

In general LE was light, but I did see a couple of guys getting hassled (or busted - I didn't stop to check out which LOL). Also, several times saw girls being given a lecture about the ddangers of hooking... I'm sure that did a lot of good. Stay alert out there!

egg from Massachusetts

SuperDick

02-01-03, 15:58

egg, amazing in depth report about the positive side of the business... sounds like a lot of action out there.. i guess i always miss the good action, i was around vb east at 1130 pm, only saw like 5 sws, and lots of johns... today, the rent is due, so, i guess it will be very busy out there... will give a report later..

SlimShady2K

02-01-03, 16:43

Originally posted by superdick
it looks like the average escort charges at least $200 an hour for fs.. there is this real cute 18 year old hottie on eros.com that looks sort of like kelly osborne, (if you think she is cute, lol) that charges $200, and doesnt ask for tips.. lucy lee on eros.com charges $250 for fs. and has gotten some good reviews on various escort websites....

Thanks for the info on escort pricing.

Merlin Magician

02-02-03, 00:46

Looks like Egg was a very busy boy in his 4 days in Phoenix. Sometimes, it takes an out-of-town boy to see things from an entirely different perspective.

He wound up with more pussy than any of us get in a year on VB. I guess us Phoenicians are too damn cautious about LE stings.

Good work Egg!

Mighty Spearsman

02-05-03, 11:51

Dear SlimShady2K:
From personal experience, I can vouch for what Superdick has said about Lucy Lee - she's one of the few truly reliable ladies in Phoenix, definitely not cash-and-dash like many of them. Look forward to a report from you soon!

Egg

02-05-03, 12:50

hello phoenix,

Thanks for the postive feedback. I miss the vb action - I'm stuck down here in Tucson and there's been zero street action. Hit nogi one night for a good time, which I'll write up in that forum. Has anyone else run into any sw's who are working at the level of professionalism I described in my earlier report?

egg

Ossano

02-06-03, 01:20

Well, I haven’t been out much lately but with the weather being nice (but not in the last few days) it must have brought out the girls (judging by the posts). I decided to have a look on VB. Started looking around 5:30 PM, & since it was a windy, chilly day I figured the girls wouldn’t be out late. Traffic is a little heavy, but I saw no LE at all while I was down there (I was there from 5:30 to around 7). The girls were out. I missed on 3 (yes, you have to be quick) but I was patient, given the traffic. Checked out VB from 16th to 24th, & I saw 2 white blond hotties lining up cars down 18th St. Looked like they were choosy, & they had good reason to be. I saw 2 fine looking black girls at 22nd, started to go around, & saw a blond walking down the side street 2 blocks north on 23rd during the go around. Turns out she was heading to “work”. Name was April, B cup, pierced tongue, good BBBJTC for $40. No #. Given all the women out there (I counted about 11), It was the best I have seen VB in some time. Will have to check VB again during that time period while the getting’s good.

azroadhog

02-07-03, 02:25

Egg, I've known Sonya for near 20 years. She will do $15 BBBJ and $20 FS if you tell her thats what you will pay. She will not rush you and by far is the best "cheep" date you can find on the west side. Please treat her right and she will really get in to it with you.

SuperDick

02-08-03, 02:10

what does sonya look like, i think i may have dated her, we only do bj for $20, always covered, she has dark brown hair, about 5'6' 120 pounds, thin build, b cup, looks indian/mexican features, gives nice slow deep bj, with great ball licking.. she always looks real DRUGGED out all the time, so i always wrap it up...

the east side looked real good tonight.. saw some thick black SW with big real DD tits, a good mix of white black, hispanic and even one busty asian... also saw a slew of 5 black sws around 44th st and vb as well...

azroadhog

02-08-03, 02:19

Sonya also has long hair to mid waist and you can see scaring on her arms and body from when an old boyfriend threw boiling waster on her. She is rather tall and skinny and will normaly hang from pennypinchers to 27th ave. She is dark latino and likes to greet yuo with "hey babe how ya doing".

SuperDick

02-09-03, 21:04

the VB east side scene is looking good, a lot of "diversity" on the street... A good selection of black, hispanic and white ladies to choose from...... I went down to 44th st and VB and saw this thick, dark skinned black named Demetria from Atlanta, very large chested to say the very least, measurements of 44DDD!!!!! wow.. yeah theyre real... she is about 5'7" 155 pounds, kinda big, but a great attitude, got FS, cbj for $60, multiple positions, doggy style, a pretty good time.....
Today i saw this cute mixed black lady named Tiffany, from san diego, she is really hot, black japanese mix, about 5'1" 120 pounds, b cup breasts, great skin, beauiful face , and a thick j lo booty... offered $60 for fs, for nice bj and doggie style, but was rushed, said i got 10 minutes, kept looking at her watch... If you like the jennifer lopez look, then she is for you..
Hey Son House, i ran into Barbara or Barbie, blond, really skinny, but huge TITS!! i was amazed, she quoted $100, and wouldnt budge.. what is the deal with her again???? anyways, take care..

buddaman

02-10-03, 23:23

Man, I wish I was back in Phoenix. Have been in Seattle area for last year and the action up is is really poor. Hard to find anything due to the cold weather at night. Most girls are out during the day and that makes it hard for someone who works.

You guys have it made with the great weather.

Mr. Bing

02-13-03, 02:00

Not much posting lately...
I went to check out the candy store tonite.
1st time in several months.
I felt the quality of the girls really went down, and the songs are a lot shorter. Still a good deal for 5$ but not as good as it used to be.

atredwood

02-14-03, 03:23

Has anyone had any experience with Five Star Massage?

I have been referred to them by one source but would like other opinions.

Thanks

mcgeorge40

02-14-03, 11:56

Hey all. I cruised VB last night in the pooring rain. Nobody was out. No cops, barely any girls, and no other mongers (that I could tell anyway.)

Saw this really cute black girl down by 30th street somewhere. Across the street from a circle K. Tried to pick her up. Took two tries. She was VERY, VERY cautious.

She said she would only do it in a motel. She didn't car which one. She just said she wanted a room for an hour. (This could be because I drive a Miata-- FS would be difficult. I would've taken a BJ though...)

Anyway, she was about the sweetest streetwalker I've ever dealt with. Pretty baby face; as nice as can be. Said her name was "Desiree." Said she was 18- I definitely believe that.

She was wearing jeans and a raincoat. The only negative was that when she took off her clothes, she had a BIG FAT ASS. Not really appealing in the body department, but she WAY MADE UP for it on personality. (Isn't that how life goes?)

She asked for $60 for FS. I didn't try to negotiate; and didn't really care how much she asked for. I was horney, and I had a hell of a month as far as work goes.

She actually insisted on slowly removing my clothes. She propped up a pillow for me, and put on a porno channel. "You like porn? Sit back against the pillows baby, watch some porn while I suck your cock."

She did a CBJ expertly. She asked me if I liked my balls licked. Of course, I replied, who doesn't? So she licked and sucked my balls for a good 15 minutes!!! She gave me head for a while and then hopped on board. I barely moved through this whole thing. I was totally being pampered.

She didn't rush me one single time. She never looked at a watch or answered or cell phone when it rang. She insisted that I could have the whole hour (that I paid for the room) if I wanted to.

I haven't picked up a SW in a few years-- ever since I discovered Nogales. However, if this is what the SW scene is in Phoenix, screw taking that drive!

j-man

02-14-03, 18:00

Went out last night, to enjoy the rain and drive around. i saw quite a few SW on West VB. A couple of pickers nothing much else, cruised for quite a while. 27th ave and 16th St all dead. About 9:00 pm I cruised past 40th St and there was a definite 9 wearing all black and bonde hair. Nice very nice. I swung around thru the double tree parking lot and she was talking to another girl, The other girl came to the car. She was about a 7 to 8 so I didn't complaing , she was a professional from the circuit, gave a dallas phone #, 40 for Cbj, high, but I told here that I had nver paid that much in my life, she asked me if I am one of theose 20 kinda guys and I said we mostly have 20 and 15 dollar type of girls here. I told her she looked worth 40 and she proceeded, nice a good 20 min bj no complaining and all action very nice personality. I will call her, she said fs was 100 in a room so we will see and I will post back to let my fellow hunters know

J-man

driven

02-14-03, 20:28

What was the girl's name J-man? I met a dallas girl said her name was Courtney who fit your description last month at the post office. Nice pierced nipples, fs was 100, and she provided the room. Service was not rushed and finished on her tits. She was working in town for fiesta bowl, but was staying around for a few weeks (guess the weather was nice). Lost her number unfortunately.

CoolGuy

02-15-03, 00:04

I was in Phoenix last week for business. So I did some online chatting before the trip and met this woman in the chatroom. It's amazing how many people are looking for company there. Anyway, I gave this woman bad information (subtracted 10 years from my age, added 3" to my height and reduced my weight by 20 pounds), told her where i was gonna stay and asked her to meet me there. To my surprise, she was there when I was checking in...lol. She never said anything about why I look different from the description I gave her in the chatroom. Anyway, we had nice dinner and I got her drunk well then it was back to my room. She pretended to be little reluctant but we started with massage and ended up doing couple of positions. She got up and left at about 2 AM. My first experience with chatroom.

Mystic Pimp

02-15-03, 21:07

Originally posted by CoolGuy
I was in Phoenix last week for business. So I did some online chatting before the trip and met this woman in the chatroom. It's amazing how many people are looking for company there. Anyway, I gave this woman bad information (subtracted 10 years from my age, added 3" to my height and reduced my weight by 20 pounds), told her where i was gonna stay and asked her to meet me there. To my surprise, she was there when I was checking in...lol. She never said anything about why I look different from the description I gave her in the chatroom. Anyway, we had nice dinner and I got her drunk well then it was back to my room. She pretended to be little reluctant but we started with massage and ended up doing couple of positions. She got up and left at about 2 AM. My first experience with chatroom.

Interesting...I have checked out Yahoo groups and MSN groups, and also the Arizona Connection (magazine and website) to try to meet people off the internet. Although I feel AZ Connection is the only personal site worthy enough to subscribe to.

Metal_Mickey

02-16-03, 03:34

It seems that, in Phoenix at least, everyone knows that Van Buren is the place to go for a quick score. We know it; the girls know it; and Sheriff Joe (i.e. LE ) knows it. But what about other local establishments? Any of the bars and/or taverns connected to Van Buren worthwhile hunting grounds? I, for one, don't like endlessly driving up and down the street and would prefer a place indoors where girls are known to gather from time-to-time much like in LA, SF, and Vegas. What do you think?

DavePHX

02-16-03, 18:34

Geeze, so much dangerous street scene interest here.

With all the great low cost private providers in Phoenix, no offense, but it just seems so silly to me to be chasing street hookers who may rob you, be cops, have diseases. for a fast romp in a sleezy hotel..

I guess some folks love the thrill and your sharing good info here. And if all you want is a 10 minute blow job for $20, there are no other good options, but the risks just seem too high for most of us.

Recenly we had a health alert on the Phoenix Private List about a provider that was working with someone. But when she developed an infection, was dragged to the hospital and then refused to disclose what the apparant STD was, she was kicked out of safe situation and is probably on the streets since responsible sexworkers refuse to let her work.

Just one example of the high risks on the street and condoms are not the answer many STD's are not stopped by a condom.

Dave in Phoenix

Murphy85737

02-17-03, 06:50

There's an independent visiting town who is very attractive and reasonably priced, from escorts*com - www*escorts*com/viewProfile.asp?h=BustyBlonde_Phoenix , if you get in touch with her, please treat her with respect. I've seen her in ABQ and had a wonderful time. Be safe.

Ossano

02-17-03, 22:22

Interesting post, Dave. The owner of TOP (&U know who that is, I think) told me the same thing! She was just over here & we had a conversation about it. BTW, she gave me permission to mention her service here, but that’s as far as I will go. Any more info, mail me at: atlas7424@juno.com . It must be hell keeping up with all the sites nowadays: ***, PERB, TERB, Whorenet, Thatmall, Redzone, Phxgold, Azoutcall, Escorts dot com, locallust, 4ebonygirls, Taylorlynnco.com to mention a few. I have more, but as U know, LE is lurking. Don’t want to go to Sfredbook .com either. These things cost money, but I know of sites that make them available for free. Yes, I do have excellent sources on the PHX scene myself. U have only posted a total of 8 times here, vs. more on other sites. I keep an eye on U, & the owner of TOP 2!
P.S. What about Rose, eh?

j-man

02-17-03, 23:14

Iwas out today from 5 to 6 pm, 16th to VB there were a few Sw out, all uggggly. I went down VB the east and there were several around 20th St. Some really nice ones. I kept going on down VB, three LE cars at different locations all talking to girls. I thought this is going to be bad. Kept driving and nomore LE I saw 5 or 6 girls that were really nice, then I decided to go past 40th and VB to just see. There have been some really high quality girls out, and I found one all the way to 48th st. goes by marissa. Good BJ no rush nice tits and let me see the shaved pussy. FS is avail for a bill, she has a car and will do OC, Not a bad deal.
I am paying way to much , but the quality is so good lately, Now I don't mind a 10 dollar w hre giving a 10 dollar bj but I am starting to enjoy the not having to worry about the girl in the car. For a girl worth 30 or 40, no problems or no worries. I hate to spend it but I am starting to understand the economics, Better Quality, nicer pussy , more time, and all have contact numbers. So I think I am getting what I am paying for. But only time will tell.

btw what is TOP

Good Hunting.

SuperDick

02-18-03, 01:32

thanks again for the report dave in phx, i love your website and the boards, and have learned some valuable information ...... as far as the street scene goes, yes, it can be dangerous, and yes, i have been ripped off before, and had some problems in the past... but, as far as "cash and dash" rippoffs go, many of the massage parlors and outcall services are just as bad as the sgs.. at least with the sgs you are usually only out abou $20-$80 at the most, where as outcall escorts can take you for $500 or more... I look as it as preference... you can get FS with a hot 19 year old with big DDD tits for $60, or you can go to a "safe establishment" and pay upwards to $300 for a hour of sex... JMHO.....By the way, a lot of beautiful women out there tonight.. may try to get with Deseriee, with the BIG ASS, lol.....

SuperDick

02-18-03, 05:46

by the way, there is a CAMERA on the streetlight, across the corner from 19th st and vb.... if you look closely , you can see the camera up there.. I DONT THINK its there to catch speeders or red light runners..... FYI....

SlimShady2K

02-18-03, 18:04

You usually get what you pay for, however, getting ripped off is not as bad with $50 as it is with $500...so I guess either way, there's no guarantee you will get what you're looking for.

BTW Superdick: Do you mean 19th AVENUE as opposed to 19th STREET? And a lot of areas have been installing cams on their streetlights (usually at traffic signals).

SuperDick

02-19-03, 01:31

Nope, its at 19th st and VB, right across the corner where the hos hang out.. One of the SGs said that put in there to monitor activity on that corner.. There may even be a microphone around there as well.. .... . If you look up at the street light, (located on the northeast side of the street) you will see the camera....

ChillWilly69

02-19-03, 01:36

Originally posted by j-man

btw what is TOP

Good Hunting. [/i]

I think he means TOH (Touch of Heaven) up on Cave Creek.
Great place to get the kinks worked out, specially if you are a BBW fan.

A link to TOH is on arizonamassageNOTTHIS.com

SlimShady2K

02-19-03, 17:47

Originally posted by superdick
Nope, its at 19th st and VB, right across the corner where the hos hang out.. One of the SGs said that put in there to monitor activity on that corner.. There may even be a microphone around there as well.. .... . If you look up at the street light, (located on the northeast side of the street) you will see the camera....

It's nice to know the city of Phoenix is strapped for cash but still has enough $$$ to "monitor" a hooker hangout...let's not forget raiding adult clubs too. I guess that means the city of Phoenix is 100% crime free!!

SuperDick

02-20-03, 04:43

i know it feels good, but please try to avoid the bareback blowjob, there is a syphilis outbreak in phoenix, so please, avoid blowing hot loads in the mouths of the sex workers, thank you for your support...
please use condoms for oral, anal and vaginal sex, please..

wlkingdude

02-20-03, 14:19

Devildames?

Hello, I'm new to the forum and am going to be up in Phx for a meeting. Have any of you used any of the girls from devildames dot com? Specifically Kristy?

WorldTraveller

02-21-03, 21:40

Tons of action and SW's on Van Buren yesterday afternoon, LE was more or less non-existant yesterday. Saw a hardbody latina at the circle k on 44th and VB, she was very selective, she had bad acne scarring on her face, someone snatched her up fairly quickly, later I saw her further east, walking under the 143.

Cruised Apache, yesterday and today, nothing at all.

Today, I actually saw a cop on his knees behind a bush at the entrance to an office building at 40th and VB, he had binoculars and was watching 2 hot young latinas that were walking west. His partner was waiting with the car just on the other side of the wall. I am not sure if these latinas were working on not, they continued to walk west eventually I saw them near 32nd, still walking. Saw a real hot SW walking west towards the light @ 40th and VB, by the time I turned around, she was gone, nice ass coming out the bottom of her short shorts. Same story, the good ones get snapped up quick.

On another note, and I hope it was not someone from this board, I saw a guy up on 19th pull over and proposition a girl that was obviously NOT a SW, looked more like I high school girl with a backpack, she waved him off once, he pulled up further and said something she waved him off again....This girl was giving NO signs, lloked like a friggin bookworm, no mistaking her for a SW...the reason I am sure he was hitting on her is that I saw him looking at every damn female on the street, slowing, looking, doing every damn thing but driving......I dunno, I have a pretty good idea what a SW looks like, the actions, the dress, etc etc etc.....get a life pal!

DavePHX

02-22-03, 07:23

Superdick

You make good points. However for locals in the know or on the private list we avoid all the Pheonix scams and just go to the zillions of great providers mostly in the $150-200/range with tops about $300 full price no tipping games. A bit more expensive than Tucson typically is but far safer and for full hour with escort in Phoenix.

Or the zillions of massage parlors but at great differences in price. But you have the honest great indepednent LMT's that offer great massage and extra's at a reaonsble cost.

Personally I prefer Toronto... but can't just fly away that often! Really miss the great full cotact strip clubs in Mississaguga and the nude-reverse parlors where which is even in the bylaws.

But for us in Phoenix... there are many good options also.

Dave in Phoenix

DavePHX

02-22-03, 07:30

Ossano

Yes TOP has had many favorable reviews of different providers on the private list for many years at a very reasonable cost. BTW, I gave them the name TOP years ago. "The Other Place" as opposed to another very popular incall is what I started calling them on the list.

I don't lurk here much since I am totally against the street scene and I keep very busy with keeping up with all the weekly reports on the private list.

Rxxx.. She never wants her name even mentioned on a public board as most don't that are share about on the private list. Sadly vice cops in Phoenix have monitored public boards for years and have set up many stings so we have to share more privately.

The public providers tend to charge a "risk premium" or cator to the many out of towners that find them and don't realize there are far less expensive options. But not all the public gals are scams, some are outstanding. But just picking someone off a website can be very risky for scams in Phoenix.

Dave in Phoenix
http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.sexworktoronto.com
http://www.touchangels.com
http://www.libchrist.com

Son House

02-22-03, 15:21

Hooked up with Lonnie from San Diego last night through her contact info. $100 for half & half. A little pricey, but friendly and unrushed. I've posted on her before, she's really hot. 20 years old, black, firm body and very cute face. She's been working Indian School and 32nd street on the north side of Indian School. You won’t find a hotter black girl out there.

The House

lala

02-22-03, 16:32

Dave

Just wanted to give my 2cents on your comment about the rates of providers. I charge 250 only because it seems to be the going rate here in Phoenix. It also keeps my phone ringing and I dont even think of it as a "risk premium" charge more like a deal of a lifetime charge. I have seen alot of people from your list and they dont mind paying the rate and also 90% of my clients are locals not out of state visitors. Its the repeat business I get from the locals (God bless their hearts) that keeps my bank account fat. I know this post won't matter to anyone but just wanted to give you sum info because sometimes it sounds as though you speak for all hobbyist which I know you dont but thats all for now but also wanted to say that Ive seen some great guys from this board and Im having a "deal of a lifetime rate for WSG users" lol...call me for the rate 602-301-2189 anytime after 900am mon-fri

licks n sucks,

LUCY

"Cum get a taste of Juicy Lucy"

Buster Cherry

02-22-03, 20:57

I cruised Van Buren today scoping out the ladies. And Ladies, there were. By the bezillions. Well maybe not that many but...

About 23rd St by the taco place, the cops had about 8 girls lined up and were grilling the hell out of them. There was a few really fine honeys in that crowd.

Looked at the now infamous camera on the street lite at 19th St. and VB. It's there alright. There is prolly a cable buried to the north because that mobile looking house directly 1/2 block north is a kinda sorta police sub station. At this site, there were many fine delicious looking pussies walking too.

Cruised up Thomas and sure as hell, my famous farm girl was out working the area around 36th St.

Saw a couple really nice ones on 27th Ave and Missouri and a little farther south around that little latin grocery there was really nice white girl in tight white pants. I couldn't get her to talk to me. Maybe it was my J B Hunt hat.

DavePHX

02-23-03, 09:42

Lucy
Thanks for your comments. But your in the range I quoted, up to $300 is common but lots in the $150-200. So your in the middle at $250, you have probably built up a good clientel, attact locals and have had lots of good reviews.

But often the travel winds up paying $400-500 if they just go to a yellow page ad, or get many of the less than honest markup provides often found on Eros and some of the other boards.

There are also local honest gals on Eros, but most are markups or other scams whose real cost is far higher than your $250/hr.

From the more private escorts on the list that are in the $150-200/hr area I can only think of one that actively posts on public sites and none that have websites. Most that are more public charge higher rates and take more LE risks. I probably am forgetting some exceptions but I think overall that is true.

Also for escorts like you that have been public for a while, you build up repeat business and can charge what the market will bear to keep you as busy as you want to be.

I have been surprised that ... the AzHot group that is so popular especially Rexxxx hasn't increased from $150/hr, since they are so popular. But R says she is committed to provider service at an afforable fee for the not so rich person and I highly respect her for that.

Dave in Phoenix

SlimShady2K

02-23-03, 21:15

For those of you interested, I've seen a few escorts advertising on Yahoo. Some of them have their rates listed. I found them searching profiles or thru Yahoo groups.

SlimShady2K

02-23-03, 21:38

For you Phoenix area residents, an interesting article on a strip club in Guadalupe:

http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0223stripclub23.html

If you can't reach the link, the story is below:

Strip club and Guadalupe getting ready for Round 2

By Nena Baker
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 23, 2003

On a map, Guadalupe looks like a convenient southeastern suburb of Phoenix, one square-mile situated neatly next to Interstate 10 and Tempe, the Valley's hotspot for collegiate sports and rollicking nightlife.

Location, in fact, was a key factor when the owners of Christie's Cabaret decided to buy a former Bob's Big Boy at the northern edge of Guadalupe and turn it into their second Valley strip club, due to open this month.

At a public meeting, the club's owners described how Guadalupe afforded easy access to their target market of business travelers and upscale Valley residents seeking to sip cocktails while watching nearly nude dancers.

Residents of Guadalupe, a pocket of 5,300 Yaqui Indians and Hispanics, many impoverished, didn't fit the characteristics of Christie's customer base.

Meanwhile, the community, as Christie's owners learned, didn't think much of the proposed "gentlemen's club."

Therein lies the rub.

Twice now, in two years, Christie's, operating as Out West Ventures LLC, has filed federal lawsuits against Guadalupe for standing in the way of the club's business plans. Christie's seeks $30 million in damages, detailed in its lawsuit as an annual loss of $2 million for 15 years, because the town council opposed its liquor license application.

The Arizona State Liquor Board subsequently denied it, citing the town's opposition, among other reasons.

"There were just too many licensees in that immediate area," said John Teefy, a Liquor Board member. More than a dozen liquor licensees operate within a half-mile of Christie's.

Guadalupe has filed a motion to dismiss the suit, scheduled to be heard in July.

Christie's operates nightclubs in several states, but it's unlikely that its owners have encountered a community quite like Guadalupe.

It is a place seemingly untouched by time.

A marketplace, a school, a community center, a Yaqui temple and Our Lady of Guadalupe Church weave a way of life that's closer to that of a rural Mexican village than a metropolitan suburb.

More than a quarter of the population lives in poverty, according to the 2000 Census, and the remainder aren't far off. The median household income in Guadalupe is $30,089 a year, compared with $45,358 for all of Maricopa County.

Last fall, a lighted baseball diamond was completed through donations from the Arizona Diamondbacks and Arizona Public Service.

Christie's is more than 500 feet from the ballfield, a requirement for establishments serving liquor. But the field is visible from the cabaret's property, said Socorro Bernasconi, co-founder of the Coalition for the Protection and Safety of Our Children in Guadalupe.

Christie's owners have shown no respect for Guadalupe and its desire to improve its lot, said Bernasconi, 63.

She worries that young, single mothers from Guadalupe, 40 percent of whom live in poverty, will be drawn to work at Christie's, a business she believes exploits poor women.

"What I call the degradation of women, (Christie's owners) call freedom of expression," she said.

Christie's is staking its claim against Guadalupe on constitutional grounds.

It asserts the town is hostile toward adult cabarets, which it describes as "constitutionally protected expressions." Guadalupe opposed a liquor license, the suit says, as retaliation for a federal judge's earlier decision that Guadalupe's zoning laws restricting adult businesses were unconstitutional and should be overturned.

"But for the town's negative resolution," Christie's lawsuit states, the business would have obtained the liquor license.

Christie's owners and lawyers declined to comment for this article, as did Guadalupe town lawyers.

Adult-oriented businesses have found success across the country challenging municipal restrictions in federal courts, legal experts said.

But Christie's latest lawsuit against Guadalupe, which also seeks to bar Town Council members from opposing a liquor license when the owners re-apply, faces an uphill battle, said Jonathan Entin, a professor of law at Ohio's Case Western Reserve University.

"The town might well have a legitimate defense based on the notion that it is allowing the club to exist," albeit without a liquor license, he said.

Under Arizona law, juice bars can offer totally nude dancing to adults. But it's no secret that revenues from juice don't come close to those from spirits, which is why Christie's is seeking damages from Guadalupe.

It was the Liquor Board, not the town, that ultimately denied Christie's liquor application, said Town Manager Tom Morales, who described Christie's lawsuit as "frivolous."

With or without alcohol, Christie's isn't a good fit for Guadalupe, town leaders said.

"The kids in our community told us they wanted a town that was free of blight and drinking and all of the garbage," Councilwoman Veronica Flores said. "So the council has taken a stand of zero tolerance on anything we believe will negatively affect the community."

That includes opposing all new liquor license applications since 1995, not just Christie's, Flores said.

Every Friday morning, Bernasconi and other coalition members hold a prayer vigil on the sidewalk near Christie's. They carry signs that say "Respect Women" and "Respect Guadalupe."

Bernasconi said she expects Christie's, whose owners have spent $2.5 million readying the property, to open soon. "But I have to keep faith that maybe they can be touched to see they don't really need Guadalupe."

Bill Methvin, the manager of Christie's Cabaret in Phoenix, said the Guadalupe location is preparing to open without a liquor license.

For now, Guadalupe and Christie's co-exist, though neither much likes it.

Bernasconi said she was offended last Christmas when Christie's representatives gave bicycles to children from Guadalupe.

"They act like they can buy us or intimidate us," she said. "But they don't know Guadalupe."

SuperDick

02-24-03, 03:31

i found a nice streetwalker that goes by the name of Amanda, i ran into her about two months ago, she is 20, from midwest i think, blonde, cute face, about 5'7" tall, 120 pounds, and some great natural DD tits... wanted $100, offered $60, but settled for $80, nice covered bj, then sex missionary, great thing about her is that she likes to masterbate her bald pussy by you pound away at her tight twat... the visual is nice, a cute baby face with blonde pigtails biting her lip, while her big natural melon tits bounce around, i got off pretty fast, .......... found her around blue moon area, 33rd st and vb..

Adventurous1

02-25-03, 20:21

Dave - you stated:

"I have been surprised that ... the AzHot group that is so popular especially Rexxxx hasn't increased from $150/hr, since they are so popular. But R says she is committed to provider service at an afforable fee for the not so rich person and I highly respect her for that."

You go on to say that:

"Rxxx.. She never wants her name even mentioned on a public board as most don't that are share about on the private list. Sadly vice cops in Phoenix have monitored public boards for years and have set up many stings so we have to share more privately."

I am assuming that these both are the same service. What is to keep the cops from monitoring your list also? I'm sure that they could come up with the $100 fee you charge from taxes and fines that we all pay.

No offense intended, just curious...

Steelheart

02-25-03, 20:51

Hooked up with a great girl on Saturday night.
She is Native American, Chinese and French about 5'7, 145-150, dark hair and nice 38DD's. She is in town for a couple of weeks and she hangs around the 7-11 at 52nd St & VB
Guy's she is one of the friendlist I have meet in that area and she will treat you very well. Her name is CeCe and she is a very upbeat and positive girl. Treat her good and she will do the same.
She also has a couple of friends coming to town tomorrow.
Have fun and be safe.

Frank Africa

02-26-03, 12:02

Dear lala a/k/a Juicy Lucy:

You are correct in saying that Dave does not speak for all hobbyists, also that your $250 charge for a true full hour hour (as opposed to a 45-minute hour like some girls charge) is about the market rate.

But you may not realize that many guys (like me) pay $250 and say good things about you both because (1) you provide good service and (2) more importantly, you are honest and are not a "cash and dash" type. I for one would rather pay you the $250 and get good value-for-money rather than pay $150 and take a chance on a stranger. I just hope that you stay the way you are and don't "go over to the dark side" as they say in the Star Wars movies.

One interesting thing about the Phoenix board is the number of providers who post here - you, Brandy and friends, etc. Most WSG boards seem to have only guys making posts.

Keep up the good work, and stay honest!

WorldTraveller

02-26-03, 21:03

Decided to try out Anima (A.N.M.A.) spa again to make up for my past bad experience there.......well.....it was a real joke this time.

Saw Samantha, a fairly cute latina, paid my $60 at the door for 1 hour.

She came in made some small talk and asked if I wanted to tip for anything extra ahead of time, she then proceeded to quote me $360 for topless manual release....I was in total shock, I exclaimed that previously I had paid $150 for everything. She said everyone charges differently. I laughed, got dressed and left. I didn't even stay for the massage.

Lesson learned......(making note) NEVER GOING TO ANIMA AGAIN!

I would suggest that everyone else stay away as well, why should we encourage this by patronizing them??

Frank is dead on, when there are providers such as Lucy in town that provide an excellent service (and consistent) for a reasonable price, why try out others?? After I left I was looking for Lucy's number, but didn't bring it to phoenix with me. Oh well next time Lucy!!!!!!

Merlin Magician

02-26-03, 21:45

Anima Spa again. I guess you learned the hard way once more, World Traveller.

The local boards have not had much on them. This is the second bad report that I've seen on them. The Dave's List guy has had a few positive comments on them in the past. According to what he had been posted previously, the Anima owner wanted to provide quality honest service etc., since they were just starting up. Either they are fuggin crooks, or their girls there are solidly bespoiled by all those old rich farts on Scottsdale who will pay Anima's exorbitant asking prices.

Like my ole grandpa used to say:" The difference between a twenty dollar piece of ass and a hundred dollar piece of ass is eighty bucks.

Quality? Sure as hell doesn't look like it to me. Bad reports; High fuckin prices; Poor service. I've pretty well made up my own mind about this place.

Mystic Pimp

02-26-03, 22:15

Originally posted by merlin magician

Like my ole grandpa used to say:" The difference between a twenty dollar piece of ass and a hundred dollar piece of ass is eighty bucks.

Ain't that the truth!!

IkneadU

02-26-03, 23:42

Sorry to hear about your 2nd bad experience at Anima, WorldTraveller...but with all of the other choices available out there (ones with good reviews ) why go back? I could understand it if someone from Anima found out about your first bad experience and asked you to let them make up for it but that is the ONLY reason any of these places should be given a second chance at your time and money.

We all have off days and make mistakes but outrageous pricing is not a mistake...they don't just 'slip' and say $360. That is a set decision on their part and it will continue to be as long as they have guys coming in to pay it allowing them to get by with it.

The reason I try to keep up on the message boards (and even continued one that closed on arizonamassage.com on my own site) was to be able to see what should and shouldn't be done in the business to keep a good happy clientel coming. You guys deserve the best that we can provide at the most reasonable prices ;o)

DavePHX

02-27-03, 03:19

Originally posted by Adventurous1
I am assuming that these both are the same service. What is to keep the cops from monitoring your list also? I'm sure that they could come up with the $100 fee you charge from taxes and fines that we all pay. No offense intended, just curious...

There are two Rxxxx's (The Madam and the other). But there are many providers on the list that would not want any reviews on a public board.

From my discussions with attorney's and from a discussion of a vice cop with the husband of a provider (cop didn't know of her activities) there is no gurantee that the list couldn't be used but LE would have to commit civil fraud to do so. It is private E-mail with a privacy agreement and oath you have to sign before you get on the list. LE would need a serach warrent to get info just like to get regular mail. There is nothing illegal about the list its protected Free Speech so no crime. This was confirmed many years ago when a vice cop told husband of provider they were aware of it but couldn't use it.

Again I warn people this is no gurantee against entrapment but since the list began in 1998 there has never been an LE problem that I know of.

And of course.. I do not recommend anything illegal, just legal companionship, mutual massage, etc for any fee. Anything other activity if become friends can not be legally paid for in any way (unlike in Canada and most of the rest of the world).

Dave in Phoenix

DavePHX

02-27-03, 03:28

Originally posted by WorldTraveller
Decided to try out Anima (A.N.M.A.) spa again to make up for my past bad experience there.......well.....it was a real joke this time

This is in line with reports back in early January. I am curious when you were there. Owner has cracked down on thls at least for those on you know what...

Since then there have been some good reports both on them and their sister place which is FS.

I am curious if this just happened recently or back in early January. I do not have any reports on Samantha.

If recent I would appreciate your reporting it to me for use .. you know where... by E-mailing me at dave@davephx.com or just giving me permission to use your post here (I do not otherwise use posts from any other board)

The owner montiors and is a list member wanting to solve problems and changed things when these high priced experiences were reported in January. They went to a flat fee basis far lower than yours. But someone can be cheating when in a private session.

Dave in Phoenix

WorldTraveller

02-28-03, 02:19

Anyone has my permission to use my post as they see fit, within reason.

Brandy, I agree with you, however, I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt, I know that you replied to my original post about ANMA. Like I mentioned previously, my first experience there was wonderful, the second, was horrible, the third I was hoping would be good again. Much to my dismay, it was not....I WILL NOT go back! Period!! It kinda goes back to the old addage of word of mouth, if someone gets good service, they tell a few people, if they get bad service, they tell EVERYONE!

I could care less what the owner of ANMA thinks or does for that matter, I would NEVER recommend that ANYONE go there. If he or anyone else wishes to contact me, My Email is Arizonaharleyman at yahoo. com. As far as I am concerned his employees are a direct reflection of him.

Brandy, I would appreciate it if you would email me directly, I would love to see you, but I am rarely in Phoenix during the hours in which you are available. Lets try to figure a time?

Dave, I was there THIS week! I did have a wonderful experience there in the month of January, and a horrible one as well (within 3-4 days of each other). As far as their "sister place" I inquired about that, and was told that they had no memberships available for Hidden Valley Athletic (according to Samantha) However, after my last experience, I am not so sure I would want a membership at Hidden Valley Athletic (Based upon the rates "quoted" at ANMA, their "Sister Company") . Count me as someone who gives the benefit of the doubt, but got screwed 2 times in a row......Shame on ME!

Okay....so.......what has EVERYONE learned here at WSG??? DON'T Patronize A.N.M.A. Day Spa....wait, maybe you didn't get that!! DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY AT A.N.M.A. aka: Anima Day Spa!!!!!

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, A.N.M.A. aka: Anima Day Spa is a RIP-OFF JOINT and should not be patronized by anyone on this or any other board! I repeat, the owner ALLOWS his employees to RIP-OFF customers!!!!!!! I am sure that he will allow Samantha to continue this practice, as he probably gets a cut of the RIP-OFF $$.

Okay, I am willing to drop this and figure I lost the Entrance fee of $60, consider that the owner of A.N.M.A. aka: Anima Day Spa clipped me for the price of a massage. Lesson Learned!

Next trip to Phoenix hopefully I will see Brandy!!! :)

DavePHX

02-28-03, 02:31

WorldTraveller

That is what I wanted to confirm that it was recent.

Based on your permission, your report, my comments, and most of your reply will be included you know where.. in Sunday's update.

Dave in Phoenix

Consumed

02-28-03, 03:41

I have just recently moved to Phoenix and am very new to the area. Can anyone tel me where the best place to find SW is? I am also very new to this, so any advice on how to pick up Sw wouyld be very helpfull. Thanx.

SlimShady2K

02-28-03, 14:42

Was in Phoenix spur of the moment on Wed night/Thu morning. Picked a bad time to go looking for street action, as it was raining on and off most of the night. Pretty much dead on all the streets I was on, saw one female try to flag me down on VB west of 32nd St. VB looks a little less ghetto than I remember it a year ago (at least, between downtown and Loop 202). The lighted street signs are a nice touch, easier to read when it's pretty bad weather outside. There seems to be a Circle K or something at every other light...I remember the police car parked at the one on 32nd St and VB, that's one reason I passed on the chick I saw (she didn't look all that attractive either). BTW are there many adult video stores/shops open 24 hrs in the valley? Curious.

SuperDick

03-01-03, 20:10

checked out the scene on "payday" first of the month, rent is due, and the hos should be out in force.. the weather finally cleared up for the weekend, and there were some nice selections out there... VB from 16th st to 40st has some nice white, blacks and latina SGs.. I decided to stick with a favorite, queenBee, from east coast. she was in jail for a month, she told me that she was sitting in a johns car, in front of a circle K, on VB, and while he was getting some Money from the ATM, LE pulled up, whisked her out of the car, and said she was under arrest... what a bunch of bullshit, the john was NOT undercover LE, and when he came back out, the cops explained what happened , they were doing a sweep, and he, was NOT arrested.. pretty fucking crazy, to say the least.... I really dont know what do to, i think i may just park somewhere near the hotels and walk VB, try to set up dates that way... be VERY careful out there... the date went well, i got some half and half from her, for $50, great doggie style, ball licking and some good BJ.... she is about 5'2" dark skin, about 135 pounds and big natural 36 DD tits...

goforit

03-02-03, 03:52

Went down to VB last week, found Arrayana at 44th St. She is light skinned black, with as full a figure as possible without being fat. She has lots of little scars accross her face and shoulders from pimples, pox, or other, but well healed. Wanted $200, got 100 and she provided the hotel room.
She was exceedingly protective. She gave a CBJ then doggie, but kept her fingers in the way to keep a feel on the condom.
Looks:7
Attitude:7

Now I need to comment on two previous visits, both of which ended in ripoffs. Both started with a careful pickup and touch exchange. I offered $40 for half and half, and both accepted. The first directed me to a room near 30th, where she chatted around and eventually got inside, got the fee, and then ran out. The second directed me to a hotel where she got me to get a room, got the fee, and ran out.

I now follow additional procedure like you find in the Nogales reports. I remove the ring. I put wallet and extra keys away. I try to get my own room.

By the way, I had some false starts near 35th and VB because SWs didn't want to go all the way to Desert Wind. Are there inexpensive and permissive places nearer to 44th?

Merlin Magician

03-03-03, 10:30

Looks like Goforit hit upon a couple of the more crude cash and dashers.

Warning ladies! Keep it up and you will run across some asshole who will not take it so lightly. It's virtually guaranteed.

Remember two years ago, an escort lady tried tried to dash on a dude at an east VB area motel. She did not expect him to chase her out the door and across the motel property. She did not expect to get caught. She did not expect him to be armed with a big Rambo knife. She did not expect he would be able to use it well as he did. She did not expect to wind up in an unmarked grave in Potter's Field. He did not expect to wind up in the pen.

Merlin Magician

03-03-03, 10:33

Also, in scoping out the camera corner at VB and 19th St., I still find plenty of ladies wiggling their asses right under the camera. Unreal....

StreetFiend

03-03-03, 12:43

There has been a lot of good action on VB here lately. Most of my best success has been from 32nd to I think it is 56th ST. Less LE up in that area, and the girls seem more willing to get in your car. Some of the girls on the lower end of VB , 19th ST to 24th ST, are a joke. They will pass-up 20 or 30 cars and still will not get in a car. I do not know how they plan on making any money.

Also, has anyone noticed that many of the girls are from Texas. I have picked up 5 or 6 SW's in the last couple of months and they all said they were from Dallas or Houston Texas. They also said they were out here because it was too cold to work in Texas. Isn't Phoenix weather great!

Gun Runner

03-03-03, 19:31

Ran into a gal a few nights ago, she goes by the name Lynette. Blond with green eyes. Looked a bit freaked out/paranoid. Wanted me to taxi cab her around to pick up some "Stuff"... Said she'd do anything after she got her fix... Needless to say I booted her ass out of my car at the next block....

SlimShady2K

03-03-03, 21:36

Phoenix weather wasn't great last week when I went there. Next time I go, I will stick to the east side of VB.

SlimShady2K

03-03-03, 21:42

Originally posted by mcgeorge40
Hey all. I cruised VB last night in the pooring rain. Nobody was out. No cops, barely any girls, and no other mongers (that I could tell anyway.)

Saw this really cute black girl down by 30th street somewhere. Across the street from a circle K. Tried to pick her up. Took two tries. She was VERY, VERY cautious.

She said she would only do it in a motel. She didn't car which one. She just said she wanted a room for an hour. (This could be because I drive a Miata-- FS would be difficult. I would've taken a BJ though...)

Anyway, she was about the sweetest streetwalker I've ever dealt with. Pretty baby face; as nice as can be. Said her name was "Desiree." Said she was 18- I definitely believe that.

She was wearing jeans and a raincoat. The only negative was that when she took off her clothes, she had a BIG FAT ASS. Not really appealing in the body department, but she WAY MADE UP for it on personality. (Isn't that how life goes?)

She asked for $60 for FS. I didn't try to negotiate; and didn't really care how much she asked for. I was horney, and I had a hell of a month as far as work goes.

She actually insisted on slowly removing my clothes. She propped up a pillow for me, and put on a porno channel. "You like porn? Sit back against the pillows baby, watch some porn while I suck your cock."

She did a CBJ expertly. She asked me if I liked my balls licked. Of course, I replied, who doesn't? So she licked and sucked my balls for a good 15 minutes!!! She gave me head for a while and then hopped on board. I barely moved through this whole thing. I was totally being pampered.

She didn't rush me one single time. She never looked at a watch or answered or cell phone when it rang. She insisted that I could have the whole hour (that I paid for the room) if I wanted to.

I haven't picked up a SW in a few years-- ever since I discovered Nogales. However, if this is what the SW scene is in Phoenix, screw taking that drive!

What motels rent rooms by the hour there? It would be good info for me next time I go up to Phoenix.

StreetFiend

03-04-03, 00:01

SlimShady

Phoenix weather wasn't great last week when I went there. Next time I go, I will stick to the east side of VB.

I was out this weekend March 1 and 2, and both nights had rain. In fact Saturday it started to rain fairly hard for about an hour and then all of the sudden it stopped. What was funny was about 5 min after it stopped raining a bunch of SW's where out on the streets. Sunday there was a slight drizzle off and on and that didn't stop most of the girls from working. Good Luck

SuperDick

03-04-03, 04:07

I know that Desert Winds (19th st and vb) Log Cabin (26th st and vb) and Copacabana (27th st and Vb) all rent rooms by the hour, copa charges $20, desert winds charges $20 but wants photo id , and log cabin charges $25.. overall, i like Desert winds, pretty clean rooms, nice tv, working ac and heat, and nice beds... the other places, log cabin and copa, look like crack houses, (not that i really know, never smoked crack, but you know what i mean, lol)...

SlimShady2K

03-05-03, 22:38

Originally posted by superdick
I know that Desert Winds (19th st and vb) Log Cabin (26th st and vb) and Copacabana (27th st and Vb) all rent rooms by the hour, copa charges $20, desert winds charges $20 but wants photo id , and log cabin charges $25.. overall, i like Desert winds, pretty clean rooms, nice tv, working ac and heat, and nice beds... the other places, log cabin and copa, look like crack houses, (not that i really know, never smoked crack, but you know what i mean, lol)...

Thanks for the info

SlimShady2K
slim2kshady2000 at yahoo dot com

Consumed

03-06-03, 01:55

Just wondering if anyone can give me any tips on how to pick up SW. Also what happens if you get caught by LE?

wiggums

03-06-03, 19:44

Originally posted by consumed
. Also what happens if you get caught by LE? Go directly to JAIL!!! Do not pass GO! Do not collect $200!!

Ed...

03-06-03, 19:53

Originally posted by consumed
Just wondering if anyone can give me any tips on how to pick up SW. Also what happens if you get caught by LE? Getting caught playin the street is worse than you can most likely imagine, unless you have no family, no job, and no future.

Go to the main page, archives, usa section. There are tips and info for the entire hobby, makes for a good start. WARNING- my life changed dramaticaly 4-5 years ago after reading that stuff, not sure whether good or bad - LOL.
Ed...

Merlin Magician

03-07-03, 10:46

Consumed:

You play a highly dangerous game picking up street girls. The reports you read here on the street girls are somewhat glamorized and may result from a few and far between quality encounter.

You run a high risk of LE involvement, not only from a sting but by new innovations in surveillance techniques.

You can be fined and jailed for a mandatory time like 5 days or so. Your vehicle can be confiscated. Your picture may soon wind up on a public news medium as it would already be on the jail roster which is public. Already in Tucson, you can have your picture in the paper under the John arrests section. You can catch all kinds of nasty diseases and there is a huge VD epidemic now in Phoenix.

Bottom line: Go where it's safe. Stick with the parlors. You can usually get what you want in most of them. Check the ads in the NEW TIMES or the BEAT. Also Check the local boards and websites online like AZ Massage and A Touch of Heaven or Pink PussyCat and see which providers are legit and reasonable. You will spend more $$ each time, but it is well worth it to avoid the extreme perils of dealing with street girls.

Justwatching

03-07-03, 11:31

The street scene can be risky...but can also be rewarding. I guess it all depends upon risk tolerance. If one does like risk..or the thrill of discovery...then I would concur the safe route is is the MP. There are certain days that LE is more predominant than others. Here are some pointers:

- Conduct effective surveilience of the area before you hit the target. Do not be afraid to loose a target...another opportunity always comes around.
- Watch to see if this individual target appears to be a seasoned entrepreneur or a novice.
- Often better to engage target off the street..like a gas station, parking lot etc..safer in my opinion.
- Pick the more desolate spots versus the more travelled spots...and the other postings on the board would give you those suggestions as well.

Goodluck

Joe Blow

03-07-03, 12:58

There are MANY SW here from all over the place. Areas where you would never expect them to be - Sunnyslope, Granada, Tempe - the LE is freaking out. I know this as a FACT. They are really concentrating on the SW scene right now, so you have been warned! Stick with the parlors, if you ask me.

SlimShady2K

03-07-03, 15:22

Originally posted by Joe Blow
There are MANY SW here from all over the place. Areas where you would never expect them to be - Sunnyslope, Granada, Tempe - the LE is freaking out. I know this as a FACT. They are really concentrating on the SW scene right now, so you have been warned! Stick with the parlors, if you ask me.

Where are Sunnyslope and Granada? There any chicks in other parts of Tempe besides Apache Blvd?

As far as being a "hobbyist" goes, I compare it to alcoholism or drug use. Many of us need our "fix" so to speak, whether it be on the street or elsewhere.

Hargow20

03-07-03, 16:06

Picking sw's is fairly safe so long as you follow some simple rules.

Survey the area before you pick up girls unless you know the area well.

Try and go with girls you know that way you know they are not cops.

Ask the girls to get in your car. Don't offer them money on the streets.

Try and familiarize yourself with the area. This way you know where the cops can hide.

Ivel

03-07-03, 20:13

I agree with Hargow20,

Using caution and being familiar with the area and recognizing regular SW helps keep you from getting in trouble. It's no guarantee but it helps.

It may also depend on where you are at and the local ordinances. I too just ask the SW to get in the car or just offer them a ride. If they don't get in, I drive away. Technically, that is not soliciation of prostitution. Solicitation of a ride maybe. There are ordinances against that believe it or not. But like I said, it depends on the local ordinances. In some places they will arrest or issue a citation to a SW just for trying to flag down potential customers. (Sol a Ride).

I don't know what ordinance applies in Phoenix. Maybe someone can enlighten us. Any LE out there care to chime in? :) It's still daylight out there and you got nothing better to do until nightfall. :) I'll buy you a Krispy Kreme. What is the violation on picking up a SW and just offering her a ride in the Phoenix area?

If you get stopped by LE, do they considered that to be Solicitation of Prostitution? Do they arrest you, give you a citation in Phoenix if you get caught/stopped for just offering a ride to a SW? Anybody?

Ivel

Hargow20

03-07-03, 20:49

I am not sure if Phoenix has a intent to solicit law like Oakland does??

WorldTraveller

03-07-03, 21:00

If you are freaked out by all of this SW stuff, you can try incall.....

I saw Lucy Lee today and what a total treat that was. I have been meaning to see her, but never know what my schedule is for coming to phoenix.

Lucy is all her website advertises her to be and more!

She has a great attitude. loves what she does and it shows. She has a great, private incall location, very nice! Total GFE, everything you would want a GFE to be!!

Looking forward to visiting her after I get back from Europe, maybe I can learn some more Braille. (that was for you Lucy! lol)

Happy hunting guys, I am leaving to check out the FKK Clubs and Partytreff Clubs in Germany!! Will follow up with reports in that section!

Adventurous1

03-08-03, 05:25

DAVE IN PHOENIX -

Yes I agree that using the verbage itself in your list for direct LE action isn't necessarily the risk involved as much as it could just be used by LE for intelligence reports and targeting purposes to identify providers and learn of their methods for setups and stings.

Again as you point out, much time, effort, and public funds are being spent on this activity that in most of the world is legalized and controlled. Only the crazy cat and mouse game as is played here will produce some peripheral victims in what otherwise would be a victimless and mutually benefical relationship between two consenting adults.

Buster Cherry

03-08-03, 11:29

Somebody earlier here posted about where is Sunnyslope and Granada.

My best guess on Granada is the area on 16th St a couple of blocks north of McDowell where Granada crosses. This area is common ground for SW's.

Sunnyslope is Hatcher, a couple of blocks north of Dunlap, mostly from about 7th Street west to 19th Ave.

Tempe has always been good hunting on Apache Blvd from MCClintock east to where it enters Mesa and becomes Main. Then Main from there on east through downtown Mesa to about Ellsworth.

JohnnyBlazze

03-09-03, 02:09

I was in Phoenix last week and did a tour of VB. when I got there I was stunned by all the LE action all over the place. In a matter of minutes I saw at least 8 LE drivin or hiding out in little spots here and there. On a happier note - the weather was good - and there was a lotta fine ass walkin the Ave. I saw a couple latinas hangin out togethere - they were hitting a corner for like 2 -3 hours - but they never got picked up - I'm thinkin they were vice - but they looked no older than 21.

azroadhog

03-09-03, 05:56

For those of you who may not have as many years of indulging in this hobby, let me give you a few tips. In Phoenix the vice cops can not expose themselves to prove they are not a cop. But if the girl asks them to pull it out they can be arrested for "soliciting indecent exposure". Also, the girls can be arrested for engaging in conversation which leads the vice office to "believe" the girl is a prostitute and working the street. This charge is generally very weak, but will get her off the street for a day. Another tactic is a "John Roll" where the cops will wait for you to finish a date and pull you over after you drop off the girl. They will tell you they have the girl and she has admitted to dating you. This is a lie. They want you to implicate the girl when they really do not have her in custody. If you admit to the act, they will pick up the girl and arrest her, then they will summon you to testify at a trial. Best to not say anything. Say you were talking about the Suns game. You must always be careful when car dating to check for vehicles following you. Don't start anything until you are sure you are safe. The vice cops will sneak up on you while in the act and arrest you. Don't leave any "evidence" such as condoms or their wrappers when you leave the place you parked. Carry an empty cup if the girl has to spit, don't let her do it out the window or open the door. They will watch you and know you are ready to leave when the see the door open. I hope this give you something to think about as you enjoy the hobby. Just be careful and watch you mirror. I know it’s hard sometimes when you are engrossed in conversation with a hottie, but better be safe than sorry!