Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia [Archive] - Page 3

Supereloquent

09-09-09, 01:22

Was this comment really necessary?

You talk about eating a SW's pussy? You are really dumb

Guess you forgot with girls on the street its all about the money

Dumbass

Do a post but save the racial bullshit comments

I respectfully disagree. It isn't "always" only all about the money. Money is a factor to be sure but some SWs really like sex with the right client(s).

I don't think Cooky was being racist in his comments. He was stating what I believe to be a fact of life. BSWs are "different" from WSWs and I don't mean just the way they look or the color of their skin. There are exceptions to every rule, but IMHO most BSWs are generally freakier and less inhibited and genuinely enjoy sex. I don't pretend to know the reasons why. I am sure some cultural anthropologist has done a study on it and could explain it to us.

As for eating a SW's pussy, that's not for me thanks. Hell, I won't even kiss a SW. But I often go for a BBBJ so it would be hypocritical of me to say that I don't expose myself to risks. I have been mongering a long time and have also had my cock sucked BB by more civilians than I could count, and I never have contracted an STD or anything close. I either have been extremely lucky, or I have an incredibly healthy immune system or both. I have never in my life had as much as a cold sore, indigestion or heartburn. Nor have I been ill with anything, not even a common cold, since I was in elementary school. Eating SW pussy or kissing is still a tad over my particular line, but far be it from me to criticize anyone who enjoys it.

PS: Welcome back Cooky. Nice to see you aren't letting the flamers get you down. Nice post for your comeback.

CookyJar

09-10-09, 00:35

I don't think Cooky was being racist in his comments.You can be certain.

You are right, for some, race will always be an issue. I consider myself to be very lucky, I don't have a racist bone in my body. Unlike some members of my family, who have felt it necessary to pass (and I don't blame them), I do embrace my blackness. In this matter I do agree with that famous golfer, both of my parents contributed equally to my being.
CookyJarI was trying to encourage other mongers to try something different. This isn’t the first time I have tried to get others to reach out beyond their comfort zone. You’d be surprised by the number of guys out there who wouldn’t touch Star simply because she’s black. For the most part they are not racist. Most are just limited in their thinking and their appreciation of what’s beautiful.

I noticed that when I posted a picture of a nice WSW there was always a large response. But, when I post a picture of a pretty brown skinned HSW or a dark skinned African American girl the response is always light. There are a number of senior posters in the Philadelphia forum who never comment on non white girls. They seem to always find something to say about the WSWers, but never have anything to say about the non-WSWers. The only non-white girl pictured in the Philadelphia “Photo Index,” is a light skinned/white HSW. I am not calling anyone racist. I don’t think that they are racist. I really don’t. I do think that they have never learned to see the beauty in Black Women. They aren’t racist. They probably wouldn’t have a problem dating a pretty mixed black girl with Caucasian features. They probably think that the black women who have participated in the “Miss America” contest and won were pretty. These girls (like me) came from mix parentage. For most white mongers, in their minds, it is okay for a black girl to be thought of as beautiful if she has blue eyes and light skin. Star is beyond their concept of beautiful. Star is a beautiful African American Goddess, that’s the point I was trying to make. She’s ghetto, but she doesn’t bite.

CookyJar

PS: Below are pictures of some pretty black woman.

Supereloquent

09-10-09, 01:59

I was trying to encourage other mongers to try something different. This isn’t the first time I have tried to get others to reach out beyond their comfort zone.... Most are just limited in their thinking and their appreciation of what’s beautiful. Amen.

I would extend your encouragement to try something "different" to chubbies, MILFs and SWs who may not be the prettiest. It doesn't take a Miss America type 10 to have a great time. In fact, some great looking women are terrible in the sack. Skill, attitude and enthusiasm, at least with me, is 90% of the equation. I come across many below average looking women, both SW and civilian, who are both sex freaks (and enjoy it) and can suck the proverbial chrome off a trailer hitch. The bottom line is was it a sensual/sexual experience you had FUN with and would repeat.

Supereloquent

09-10-09, 02:51

The only non-white girl pictured in the Philadelphia “Photo Index,” is a light skinned/white HSW. I am not calling anyone racist. I don’t think that they are racist. I really don’t. I do think that they have never learned to see the beauty in Black Women.In all deference to and appreciation of DukePV's outstanding efforts in building the Photo Index and keeping it current, I don't believe there has been a deliberate slight of any particular kind of SW. The Photo Index, as currently constructed, is specifically for the K. It is my experience that the vast majority of daytime SWs on the K are white (I will have to waive my judgment of the night time scene there because I am predominantly a day monger.) Duke misses some every now and then, to be sure, and I have pointed them out to him in PMs and he has always conscientiously and kindly eventually included them. I am sure it is a laborious, time consuming and sometimes thankless job to keep the Photo Index up to date. I am also sure anyone could miss a few. It was my original suggestion that the Photo Index be archived by stroll and have a rating system, all of which Duke incorporated (Davey suggested archiving by year, which Duke also included). I think these changes have made the Photo index much more user friendly and useful. So far, as I said, the only stroll represented is the most populated and most popular one, and my personal favorite: the K. The Camden, Old York and Torresdale strolls have not yet been added. The Camden stroll probably has the most pics and reports after the K, substantially due to the efforts of CookyJar. But all good things, I am sure, will come in time.

Duke originally stated that he wanted to limit the Photo Index to young SWs who were reasonably good looking. I respectfully disagree here because IMHO there are some below average looking SWs and MILFs with above average performance and they should definitely be included. I think that even the sub-par performers, regardless what they look like should be included so we all know what to avoid. A SW rating system with photos is not just a beauty display, it is a catalog, even though I realize that is more work.

I still think annual rankings, such as a top 5 or top 10 list every year (with honorable mentions), a tradition Cooky Jar had started, is a great and fun idea. It would be my suggestion in this that there be separate rankings for looks and performance, and rankings within categories (for example: Looks: separate rankings for face, tits and ass, and an overall category; Performance: separate rankings for BJ, fucking, attitude and an overall category; and, of course, a designation for "Miss Congeniality").

As far as the white, non-white issue, I briefly looked through 2009 and the only non-white SWs on the K I would definitely include, regardless of the criteria, are Star, Jazmine, Moyua and Nelly (ie?). I know I have likely missed a few.

Have fun out there. I wish you all good hunting. Try sampling from the full menu; you never know if you will like a dish until you have tried it. And, above all, be careful. :-)~

Supereloquent

09-10-09, 03:34

I happened to be downtown today and made a run up the K around 5:30 PM. It wasn't my intention to do any mongering as I didn't have the time. I was just window shopping.

Some observations: 1. There were NO LE foot patrols; this was the first time in a very long time that I have seen an absence of LE presence on foot the entire length of the K. Is this a change others have noted or was I just hitting an odd part of the day? There were the usual heavy car patrols. 2. There was NOTHING south of Lehigh. Usually there are a few SWs in the vicinity of the Huntingdon Station or around Letterly/Jasper, but there were zero. That was unusual, especially since there didn't seem to be an LE inhibiting factor, and it was prime rush hour, when south of Lehigh usually has some representation. 3. SWs were at the usual places north of Lehigh: the Woodshed and Cambria, Ontario/Russell, Venango, Sedgley, Castor and back on Jasper. One odd thing was that every single SW I saw was someone I had never seen before. There was a lot of "new blood" and no familiar faces. Another odd thing was the congregation at the Sedgley corner of 4 SWs: a W young chubby, a W MILF, a W emaciated drowsy eyed probable druggie and a thin BSW. Usually SWs on the K hang out solo. That makes sense both to avoid standing out to passing LE and to avoid the direct competition; less fetching SWs clearly don't want to be on a corner with others and have the dishonor and wasted time of being picked up last. I have seen 2 on a corner or walking together from time to time, but almost never packs of 3 or 4.

Have all our daytime favorites retired or gone into hiding or become creatures of the night? Or was this just an odd sampling which could have been improved with a few more passes? In any event, I thought all the new blood was worth commenting on.

CookyJar

09-10-09, 22:37

…I don't believe there has been a deliberate slight of any particular kind of SW. The Photo Index, as currently constructed, is specifically for the K. It is my experience that the vast majority of daytime SWs on the K are white… :)~

I don’t believe that anyone is deliberately slighting particular SWers. There are just a few woman of color working the “K,” - all the more reason to feature them proudly (especially if they are attractive). Charlee, Tiny, Myah, Kanda, Moyua, Nelly and Star are all women of color who visit Kensington Avenue.

The index is by no means meant to be comprehensive. …

Generally I like to include young WSWs with a reasonably nice face & figure who work on the “K”. Naturally this involves a lot of subjective judgments and there are some exceptions or oversights (Rocelle and Torresdale Jessica, for example).

Below (In the Quote) is part of my reply to DukePV.

I would also suggest that you continue to include all races and nationalities. The girls on the avenue are mostly WSWers and HSWers. However, there are rare to be found BSWers. It would be more prudent to say a girl was excluded because of her appearance rather than her racial make-up. (If anyone knows of a cute BSW, with a nice personality, who works on Kensington Avenue, please point her in my direction.)

Keeping up with all of the Philadelphia photos can’t be easy. Even after doing my own search, though my own files, I over looked a couple of girls. I forgot to include Nelly (a long time provider) and Moyua (posted within the last year) in my list of missing girls.

You are so right, “this involves a lot of subjective judgments.” I, personally, have been happy with your selection up to now and will be happy with your future choices for inclusion, whoever they are.

CookyJar

I am using Duke’s “Photo Index,” as an example of what I think is a oversight made by most white mongers. .

And I am still happy with the girls Duke opted to include in the “Photo Index.” However, please note that there are still no Brown or Black skin girls in the Index. Nelly nor Moyua ever made it into the Index. I honestly do not believe Duke to be racist. I believe Duke (like many others) does not believe Nelly or Moyua is appealing, or even cute, or fairly attractive. In my own humble opinion, both Nelly and Moyua rank higher on the SW scale then some of the white girls featured in the Index. That is my own subjective view. We may never know if Miss Star would have made it into the “Photo Index.” The Index has been archived.

There are few BSWers on Kensington Avenue, that’s the truth. And of the few that do walk the Avenue, most do not rate recognition. I never expected Myah or her sister Kanda to be featured in the Index. I would have thought Charlee and Tiny would have made the list. And Nellie and Moyua certainly should have been included. And it is likely that the only HSWers that did make the list are there by mistake, exception or oversight. It is my subjective opinion that Charlee is just as pretty and has a better body than Leila or Amy two average looking WSWers who made the Index. And if Carol made it, why didn’t Tiny – both are chubby girls. And why is that the only two (I made a mistake saying there was only one) HSWers to make the list have very fair skin.

Once again, I am not saying anyone is racist. That’s not the point. I am saying that maybe some guys might be well served if they took a second look at what’s nice.

CookyJar

PS: This is just an observation – something to think about.

CookyJar

09-13-09, 12:38

Now that I have added together all of the pieces – I cannot get enough of her.

CookyJar

When I first decided to post pictures of Stefany I thought she was a new girl to the forum. I was wrong.

…She wasn't the cutest SW I had ever seen but she looked like she had a great body…

Stephanie turned out to be one of the all time great BJs....a perfect, long, sloppy, varied DT BBBJCIMSW.....YUMMMMMMMMM!

…it was really special for Stephanie to get me so hard, tease me so well, suck me so expertly and have me cum and explode like it was my first one of the day. Yeeeeeehaw!

Stephanie gets one of my rarely awarded 5 star BJ ratings.

After my date with Stefany I ran all the way home and checked my computer to see if anyone had mentioned her in the forum. I was half way through typing this review before I remembered that I had left my car down on the “K.” So I ran back to my car and drove back. On my car dash was the note Stafany had written with her number. It was then I read the name Stafany had written next to her phone number. I had searched for the wrong name. I had done a search for Stacy and not Stefany or Stephanie. I slowly drove back home. My second search determined that Stefany/Stephanie was indeed well known by the members of this forum. But, I was left with one redeeming thing, IMHO, of all the pictures of Stefany posted by the member of this forum – mine are the best.

SuperElegent; please forgive this comparison. I mean no impertinence to you or anyone. I make this claim as I proclaim my love for her. Maybe my eyes are clouded by my love. But, I believe I have the definitive pictures of your Stephanie/My Stefany . And still, much to my own regret, my own pictures do her no true justice. In my eyes she is a beauty, surpassing all other beauties. And her tits, such boobs on such a small frame, dare I say more than I am in love.

Stefany is amazing. She brings a new meaning to the term GFE. She is the submissive wife greeting her man naked at the front door. She is the horny girl next door giving out blow jobs after school. She is that sexy co-ed who hides in college dorms until after lights out. She is the receptionist giving BBBJs under desk. She is the hot hooker who fucks brains out. She is the girl of wet dreams.

Stefany’s DT BBBJCIM technique was beyond belief. She was able to get me so hard; I could have pounded nails with my dick. I thought I’d bust right threw the condom. The girl fucks like a tiger. Earlier she had confined in me some of her preferences. I knew what she liked and how she liked it. In the doggie position, I grabbed the little mudsharks’ hair and pulled back trying to get control of this wild beast. With my hand wrapped in her thick hair, I pulled back like I had hold of a horses bridle; she twisted and tossed as I got deeper into her pussy. Stefany does doggie like a ***** in heat. (Like the fool that I am, I slapped her ass and thought to myself, “Ride em cowboy.”) Exhausted, I pulled out because I didn’t want to nut so soon. Stefany remained in the doggie position, head resting on her arms and her ass poked up in the air – her asshole puckering in and out. I told her she had better stop that or I was going to give her what she was asking for. She said, “Come on.” I said, “Next time.” I slapped her hard on her raised ass and roughly pushed her onto her back. She grabbed her legs around the ankles and pulled back. (Even in this position, if I had had the proper lube I could have rammed my dick straight up her ass.) My dick head found her pussy and slipped inside. She was so wet and tight it was like being in a teenage virgin. She moaned loudly and whimpered, sucking in and I exploded. Then the girl had the nerve to whisper, “Did you like me,” just like virgins do after their first fuck. To weak to think of a better smooth answer, I said, “Yeah,” as I let the full weight of my body down on top of her and rolled to the side.

While driving to our date, Stefany and I discussed sexual acts that we’d either done or would like to performed. W e talked about what men like, what women like, what I like and what she likes. By the time we got to the notel we were so relaxed in each others company it was like being with a true girlfriend. Would I date her again? Yes. In fact I already have and our second date was just as good as the first. YMMV

CookyJar

CookyJar

09-13-09, 14:56

Stephanie gets one of my rarely awarded 5 star BJ ratings.

Thanks for warming her up Supereloquent. I'll take over from here. LOL

CookyJar

Supereloquent

09-16-09, 20:09

It gives me no pleasure to make a bad report on a SW but when one experiments with new SWs sometimes they are booms and sometimes they are ok and sometimes they are busts. Sarah was a bust.

I was noticing a lot of new blood on the Ave so I decided to sample some. Two SWs were standing at the M street corner, a young chubby and a MILF all dressed in black. Normally I will go for a younger available option but there was just something about the younger WSWs body language that was telling me to stay away. So I went with the MILF in black. While she looked somewhat appealing on the street and the facial expression and body language didn’t trip any negative radar, Sarah soon proved to be a bad choice.

Sarah had an average looking face but and she seemed to have an ok thinnish body. Her best feature though was an especially nice set of tits. She wasn’t wearing a bra and her tits were big and you could see her nipples poking seductively through her black top, even from a distance. They were especially nice to watch as we drove.

Sarah didn’t set any attitude alarm bells off on our drive to the 10 spot house. She said she was 35 and had recently been laid off as a paralegal at a law firm and I was thinking: great, a relatively amateur MILF who might just enjoy sucking me off with the added benefit of getting paid. We had a very pleasant conversation on the way and I told her I wanted to take some pics and she said that would be fine. I was thinking this might be fun: watching and feeling this former paralegal suck my cock and swallow my cum. What a different experience she would be from the usual addicted druggies on the Ave.

After just a few pics Sarah got pissy and said, “Let’s get down to business.” I took a few more pics while she was sucking and then she got irritated with my taking those pics as well. Her BJ was mediocre at best and she was not even CLOSE to giving me DT or an exciting BJ in any way shape or form. Plus she kept asking me if I was ready to cum yet. That’s a definite mood killer, especially when getting an awful BJ. I actually had to close my eyes and blot her out and fantasize about getting sucked off by the big puffy sexy lips of Angelina Jolie. That eventually made me spout and Sarah promptly was looking for somewhere to spit it out. I have been more than lucky of late with trying new faces on the K but this was the worst BJ I have had in a LONG time. Sarah was the exception that proves the rule; she is the first MILF I have ever encountered that wasn’t an exceptional cock sucker.

The roundup?: Face: 2 1/2 stars (average to slightly pretty; nice lips; looked much better from a distance than up close; Body: 2 stars (thin and nice ass, but paunchy wrinkled belly; even the big tits looked better covered than naked); (Service)Attitude: 1 star; BJ: 1 star; Damages: a Jack (I am glad I didn’t pay her beforehand) ; Overall 1 1/2stars (1 star is an outright ripoff; this was as bad as it gets without something seriously and dangerously negative); Repeatable? Definitely NOT; I would avoid this SW; the only way she makes sense is if she pays YOU; I would rather jack off in the shower. Of course, you never know, YMMV; maybe she might make a great angry fuck. But I have my doubts.

CookyJar

09-16-09, 21:53

…Overall 1 1/2stars (1 star is an outright ripoff; this was as bad as it gets without something seriously and dangerously negative); Repeatable? Definitely NOT; I would avoid this SW; the only way she makes sense is if she pays YOU; I would rather jack off in the shower. Of course, you never know, YMMV.

Thanks Supereloquent,

That’s one of the things that makes this forum so valuable. You just may saved a few of us a couple of bucks. Warding off the bad ones is just as important as pointing out the good ones.

JerryGarcia

09-17-09, 02:54

Supereloquent

09-17-09, 09:26

This girl's been walking the K late at night at least since April or May. I have stopped and talked to her a few times--was real close to doing a date with her on more than one occasion, but something told me to pass on it--she just seemed to act a little weird, and the other girl that she usually walks around with was gruesome. She usually hangs out in the area near Little Lou's and walks back and forth in that area. I was definitely attracted by the large tits as well as the pouty lips and face on her.

Usually my street radar is a lot better. Sarah didn't even trip any warning buzzers on the way to the 10 spot house. It shows you that nothing works all the time and SWs aren't always what they seem to be or what you think they will be like: all the more reason for this forum.

Was the girl with Sarah a young chubby? Her facial expressions and body language were definitely signaling negative vibes.

Thanks, Super for TOFTT--sorry it wasn't any good for you. I guess the positive in all this is we can afford a lousy one once in a while at K prices. If this were some girl peddling herself on CL or Backpage, the damage would be close to $$.

One of the many reasons I like the K is that you can make 10 mistakes and it only ads up to one similar mistake on Backpage or CL, let alone an MP. Plus, I have run into a number of girls on the K (like Gen/Theresa, Nikki/KC and Selena) who charge/charged a LOT more in private service advertisements. I find the K to be a real bargain no matter how you slice it.

I am out of town right now (in Atlanta for medical treatment until late October).

Chriseff, good luck with that.

Supereloquent

09-17-09, 11:57

CJ, I am glad you had as good a time with Stephanie as I have on many occasions: great report and great pics. She is definitely a 5 star sucking and fucking experience and has a 5 star attitude.

I typically ask a SW how she spells her name, especially when there are several possible spellings. "Stephanie" told me this was the correct spelling. We know SWs sometimes change their names (and maybe spellings) but did she specifically tell you or write down that her name was spelled "Stefany?"

I think she had been in Abdul's stable but that has been a revolving door for some others there like Holly, Jaime, Cara, Crystal, Monique and Lily. Is she still working for Abdul that you know of? And can anyone confirm intel on Abdul's current stable?

Supereloquent

09-17-09, 14:30

... you appear to be a semi intelligent fellow. However, you don't honestly believe this skeezer is a freshly unemployed former paralegal do you?

The work involved in becoming a paralegal, and the intelligence required would surely tell her that taking pics with a cock in her mouth can't be a good career move. Unless of course her career is as a cocksucker. This is just another drug addicted skeezer, on the drugs for years, it has just gotten out of control to the point where she is on the K doing any and every dude who comes along, not caring what diseases she contracts or spreads. I guess a vivid imagination helps with the justification of the death that is being perpetuated in this K area. But lets call it what it is.

I don't pretend to believe all SWs' stories or trust them as validation of or excuse for a damn thing. I just relate them as I hear them. Most of what SWs tell you should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

As far as the rest of the poison in your reply: you obviously have a big problem with the "skeezer" SWs on the K, a big chip on your shoulder and a "holier than thou" attitude about the whole scene. This thread is about street mongering. If that's not your thing, find another outlet for your anger, and go piss on somebody else's parade.

Snapper123

09-17-09, 17:32

After a search of photos today, I saw this one. I too had a horrible experience with her back in April. The first time, she was going by the "Kristen". I picked her up by the Somerset station for a BBBJ. Off we went. Same MO; asking for $, wanting to stop at the Chinese restaurant (syringe factory), and telling me to turn left, then right, to no specific address or area. She actually wanted me to stop and park on a residential street, near a school on a school day. Good education!

I took control and found an empty lot. She did perform well on her oral skills. I then returned her to the K near the same el stop. Along the way, she kept asking for more $ and if I would stop here and there.

A few months later, I was scanning CL and called a number for a NE incall (the picture was definitely NOT her). Rate was $100 and she used the name "Daisey". Not bad I thought. I made my way to the Ramada. I received a few calls from her along the way. She kept asking if I was coming. I thought this was not too unusual, because why would she rent the room if I was not going to show.

She called the final time and told me she would meet me in the parking lot. When I pulled in, I saw her, turned around and left. She definitely recognized me, because she started calling out to me. I ran.

I saw her later that same day on the K, near 7-11. She tried to approach me, but I ignored her. I ended up finding Crystal that night and had a good time.

“Little Bits” had great curb appeal: 19 years old, a spinner (5 feet 2, 110), messy but somehow sensually appealing brunette hair, enticing smile, dressed in cute pink shorts and white print top and flip flops, with just enough combination of sweetness and trashiness that screamed out: fuck this little bundle of energy!

My experience with SWs under 20 is that they generally come in 2 flavors: sweet and relatively innocent/ inexperienced and cooperative, or spoiled, conniving, immature little biatches, who view men as marks and need to grow up and understand that some men ARE marks and some had better not be treated as marks if you expect fair and generous treatment in return. Unfortunately, “Little Bits” was not a flavor of sweetness and light.

I found her near the Cambria corner (big surprise!) after my dates Thursday with Gen, Nikki and Ellie. She got in and announced her name as “Little Bits.” She was smiling and bouncy and clearly high on something, but it was cute nonetheless. I was thinking that this could be a wild and fun date. I hadn’t fucked a really young spinner for quite a while and my mind was racing with anticipations. My building excitement quickly turned to dismay as she said flatly,“I need 5 dollars.” I asked what she needed it for and she acted like she hadn’t even heard the question and asked for the 5 dollars again. I don’t know whether she thought I was stupid or what but I didn’t appreciate being played like that from the start. So I asked her if it was to get something to eat or drink (which I have on occasion done on the way for a date) and she said, ”Yeah, I need 5 dollars for that.” So we pulled over to a store and she jumped out and went into the store. Five minutes later she came out and said: “I need 5 dollars more.” I thought 10 was not unreasonable for a sandwich and a drink or something like that so against my better judgment I gave her another 5. The only thing that made me feel easy about it is that she had left her purse and cell in my car. So she came out with a drink and a bag and then hung at the window and said: “I need 30 more.” Well this was getting ridiculous and I was ready to have the big head close the store for the little head on this date. So I simply said, “Look, I already bought you a drink and a sandwich and that’s all you are going to get until our date is over.” So she tried again and said “Well how about 20 then?” And I just refused and told her she could either take her free lunch and go, or make some good money on a date. Then she said, “Don’t worry hon. I will take care of you.” I didn’t appreciate the patronization or the tone and made clear again for one final time what her alternatives were. She finally got in and didn’t say anything more, but the date was off to an icy start.

On the way she had the radio blasting with rap music and was gyrating her arms like she was dancing in a club. She was flying on something. I had to turn the radio down several times (and she would turn it back up) until she finally got the hint that it was too loud for me. My freakin ears were ringing. Then she tried my patience one more time and wanted to stop and have me buy her some cigarettes. Since she again left her purse and cell and was far from her strolling base, I very reluctantly agreed, but this was really beginning to piss me off.

We got to the 10 spot house and she seemed more calm. The CBJ was not the worst I have ever had, but clearly was far from the best. She couldn’t DT and needed some serious lessons in what makes a BJ arousing and exciting, nor did she take direction well. When I entered her I think she had a wake-up call from her high because her pussy was really tight, there was a grimace on her face and she was wincing and biting her lower lip. I usually prefer to enjoy the sensuality of a sexual encounter, even with a SW, but this time it was a rare, perversely enjoyable angry fuck. Whether it was fair or right or not, everything she had done to piss me off was now in my hands to reverse the tables. I pounded her good and hard and watched her painfully twisting face gleefully as I did. Call me a bad person. Call me justified for putting up with all her shit and getting that for which I paid. I was just living out the moment in pure livid lust. I have to give her credit; she never asked me to stop or when I was “going to cum” and I banged her very hard for a good long time and enjoyed every minute of it.

After the date she couldn’t wait to have me drop her off to buy some product (I would have given 3 to 1 odds it was crack). She wanted me to wait for her there and I told her that wasn’t going to happen.

The ratings?: Face: 3 stars; Body: 3 stars (nice body in many respects as spinners go, but covered with marks and bruises); Personality: 2 stars (a 1 would mean she ripped me off or did something else to make her dangerous, and I have only rated one SW a 1 in this category, and the next lowest at 2 was Little Bits, if that is a comparison which tells you anything); BJ: 2 stars; Fucking: 3 stars (ONLY because it was a great angry fuck, not because she was such a great fuck otherwise); Overall rating?: 2 stars (again, my lowest ever, except for an outright ripoff); Damages?: .5, including the lunch and cigarettes which I deducted from her fare; Repeatability?: What do YOU think? YMMV

CookyJar

09-18-09, 00:12

I typically ask a SW how she spells her name, especially when there are several possible spellings. "Stephanie" told me this was the correct spelling.
…did she specifically tell you or write down that her name was spelled "Stefany?"

Is she still working for Abdul that you know of? And can anyone confirm intel on Abdul's current stable?

As many of you know, I am very bad with names. I have gotten into the habit, whenever possible, of asking the girl to write her name and number in a little note pad I keep in my car. I always rip out the page later. I then transfer the info into a word document as part of the title. She wrote Stefany. I won’t be trying to contact her in writing, by mail or in print so I don’t think either spelling really matters. Maybe it matters on this site as a way of identifying the right girl. Then again, I believe a picture is the best way to identify who’s who.

I didn’t think to ask whether she was an Abdul girl. Most of his girls work on the northern end, right? I found her south of Lehigh for both of our dates and just recently I spotted her south of Erie.

Has anyone seen Holly lately?

CookyJar

Supereloquent

09-18-09, 11:47

As many of you know, I am very bad with names. I have gotten into the habit, whenever possible, of asking the girl to write her name and number in a little note pad I keep in my car. I always rip out the page later. I then transfer the info into a word document as part of the title. She wrote Stefany. I won’t be trying to contact her in writing, by mail or in print so I don’t think either spelling really matters. Maybe it matters on this site as a way of identifying the right girl. Then again, I believe a picture is the best way to identify who’s who.

I didn’t think to ask whether she was an Abdul girl. Most of his girls work on the northern end, right? I found her south of Lehigh for both of our dates and just recently I spotted her south of Erie.

Has anyone seen Holly lately?

CookyJar

I guess Stefany/Stephanie likes to vary the spelling. You are right though, a picture is the best identifier. I wish more mongers took at least one photo so we could have positive IDs. Most cell phones now have a camera feature and pics can be uploaded to a computer. While they aren't always the best quality, it would be better than nothing.

I have always picked up Stefany/Stephanie in the vicinity of Abdul's place. You are right that his girls usually work on the northern end of the K stroll. If she is also working south of Lehigh now, maybe she made a break from Abdul's stable.

I saw Holly a few times on the K in her new red hairdo about 2 months ago and then she disappeared. I haven't seen her since.

Supereloquent

09-21-09, 09:59

After a search of photos today, I saw this one. I too had a horrible experience with her back in April.

Yeah, a ride with Little Bits is a trip well worth NOT taking, unless you enjoy getting played and jerked around. There are plenty of other SWs with better skills and no hassle factor on the K.

Supereloquent

09-21-09, 12:03

I think tattoos can be sexy. There is just something about a young SW loaded with tattoos that makes the blood boil. I have seen many SWs with tattoos but never quite as many as Rhonda. She has them everywhere: chest, arms, legs, feet, back, even on her fingers. She also had some interesting piercings on her eyebrow, nose and tongue. And she says she wants to get more.

I found this 19 year old in the Huntingdon area which seems to be the latest favorite daytime summer hangout area for SWs from the burbs. She had an average face, was a bit pudgy and had smallish boobs, but there was something about her presence on the corner that told me she would be a fun time. Per more often than not, my street radar was working to perfection.

My new MO has become taking SWs to a nice notel and having a few hours of fun rather than popping 6 or 7 different SWs in a day. There is nothing wrong with either approach, but when you suck and fuck so many SWs all in one day, they tend to blend together in a blur. It’s the difference between gulping wine and savoring it slowly. I still take newbies to the 10 spot house to try them out. Both approaches can be fun, but variety in all things IS the spice of life and less CAN be more.

Rhonda didn’t seem new to this. She didn’t even ask where we were going as I drove to the notel, and the conversation was pleasantly and surprisingly interesting and intelligent. When we got there and undressed she wasn’t much to look at naked: pudgy and small tits, but the tattoos were certainly interesting and her best feature was her perfectly shaped big round ass and I knew I would be hitting that doggie for a few rounds. She started by sucking my cock and she was a natural. I didn’t have to tell her a thing regarding what I like, as I usually do with many. She knelt in front of me on the floor and had me buried balls deep in her throat and was staring up at me with those alluring eyes while pressing her tongue just right against all the nerve endings on my cock while it was twitching and responding to her expert sucking. I was quickly ready to go and I said to her,” Do you want a big load of my cum, baby doll?,” and she half-smiled as she nodded her head and I blew a hot blast down her throat. I could see her throat muscles undulate to take it all in and she sucked me clean as a whistle, getting every last drop, and giving me a big grin.

We lay together naked on the bed for a short respite before round 2, and she eventually whispered to me: “I’m a bad girl. You want to spank me while you fuck me doggie, don’t you?” It was like she was reading my mind, or maybe she just knows how damn good her ass looks from behind, but she sprang up from a prone position to be on all fours, spread her knees wide and wiggled her ass at me teasingly. I was almost instantly hard, rubbered up and slid right into that hot wet pussy, at first grabbing her ass on either side as I pumped her hard for a few minutes, and then slapped her ass as I stroked her good, alternating hands to get a good slap at each cheek in succession. Her ass looked perfect from behind, so sensually round, with an interesting tattoo right above it. As I spanked her she shivered and was saying, “yes, yes, yes, YES!” with every slap….”Spank that ass! Fuck me good! Pound that pussy!” And then she would moan, and scream and squeak and squeal. And finally, “OMG, OMG. OMG, OMG….Fuck…Fuck….Shit…Fuck….Fucccccck,” as her whole body spasmed and her pussy clenched around my cock and her legs collapsed on the bed. I hadn’t cum yet so I was till hard and placed my legs around either side of her as she was stretched out flat on the bed with legs straight down and together and I held her arms outstretched against the bed and fucked the shit out of her for a few minutes more as she screamed her head off. It felt like naughty rape play because of the position and I whispered in her ear “Take it like a good sl*ut.” And she would scream back, “Yesssss, I am your good little sl*ut. Fuck me. Fuck me. Fuck me HARD!” I poked her good for a few more minutes and then came so hard, I had to put one hand on the top of the rubber to make sure it was still on. I slid off her and onto the bed. I am not a smoker but I knew what it must feel like to want a cigarette at that very moment….LOL.

I knew I would want some more of both her sucking and doggie, and we did one more of each. I could go into more details, but I think you have a good idea from my description above of what happened. I had a bit more staying power each time (no more hair trigger after cumming twice already) and we sucked and fucked for a good long time.

The ratings: Face: 3 stars; Body: 2 stars (she was pudgy, as I said and the tits were small, but the ass was 4 ½ stars); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Overall experience: 4 stars (this would be a totally 5 star SW if she moved a few pounds from her belly to her tits and were a bit prettier, but she was certainly a 5 star performer). Damages?: .75 plus a .5 tip. Repeat?: For sure. She is no Miss America but is definitely a fun time.

Supereloquent

09-21-09, 13:25

Rhonda did a great job sucking my cock and that nice round bottom was sexy to watch as I did her doggie. Just a sampling here, because I took dozens.

Ssssbadboyssss

09-21-09, 16:20

Rhonda did a great job sucking my cock and that nice round bottom was sexy to watch as I did her doggie. Just a sampling here, because I took dozens.

While she's not one who would be described as a classic beauty she's got that rocker chick look that makes her hot. Plus the tattoos give you something interesting to look at while you're fucking the shit outta her.

BadBoy

Billneedscoffe

09-21-09, 18:32

I think tattoos can be sexy. There is just something about a young SW loaded with tattoos that makes the blood boil. Wow she sounds like a hot fuckin time! I never thought much of the Huntingdon section but...... :)

Supereloquent

09-22-09, 09:44

Wow she sounds like a hot fuckin time! I never thought much of the Huntingdon section but...... :)

The Huntingdon area can be hit or miss. The station usually harbors some pretty and skillful talent which tends to be picked up in a hurry. There are some beauties and some real skanks elsewhere. The skanks tend to hang in the vicinity of Letterly, but there are even some worthwhile pickups there from time to time: Carol, Niki and Nellie to name just a few.

Supereloquent

09-22-09, 09:50

While she's not one who would be described as a classic beauty she's got that rocker chick look that makes her hot. Plus the tattoos give you something interesting to look at while you're fucking the shit outta her.

BadBoyYeah, as I said, she was no Miss America in either face or body, but she had personality and skills. Her tats and piercings and even her makeup were those of a Goth rocker chick. They were a nice visual diversion while "fucking the shit outta her."

Supereloquent

09-22-09, 09:55

Stay away Papercut. I saw her First. LOL

CookyJar

Hmmmmmmmm.....so glad to see your ruling on that Cooky. Let's apply that to Stephanie/Stefany....LOL.

CookyJar

09-22-09, 10:20

Hmmmmmmmm.....so glad to see your ruling on that Cooky. Let's apply that to Stephanie/Stefany....LOL.

There is a slight difference. With Stefany it’s love. With Star it’s lust. We’re talking about the possibility of a sister, sister and me threesome.

I guess I’m just a greedy bastard.

LOL

CookyJar

PS: Okay! You win, keep Stefany - you did see her first. I want to be the filling between Star and her sister. I'm foing for the threesome. LOL

Supereloquent

09-23-09, 08:46

Okay! You win, keep Stefany - you did see her first. I want to be the filling between Star and her sister. I'm going for the threesome. LOL

Thanks, and good luck with that "filling" goal ! You are the 3 some king of Philly already anyway, so if anyone can do it you can. I have no excuses to make in that department other than to say that I am so anxious to suck and fuck when I pick up just one SW that I just don't have the patience to find another also!

Supereloquent

09-26-09, 12:13

Hey Freak, I'm definitly a fan of your pics and your site and I've posted as such. Above is my reply to your pics of the lovely Marie. I've gone as far as trying to subscribe to your other site but can't because of some technical difficulities. Hey man love your work and please keep posting,(without the watermark i guess).

President of the Freaklikdat fanclub
BadBoy

BadBoy, you are the exact opposite of all the haters and rock throwers in this forum. You are THE positive and loyal fan of all good contributors. We need more like you. I don't post on here to get attaboys, but getting some positive feedback, support and encouragement from time to time is never a bad thing.

Supereloquent

09-26-09, 12:21

She really can suck a mean one lots of head movement and deepthroating. She let me pull her hair and talk shit to her and let me put both my hands on her head and facefuck her til I busted my nut. She's about 5'4" 115 and early 20's. Well worth a repeat.

Your report makes me want to reconsider occasional night mongering and car dating.

Supereloquent

09-26-09, 13:24

Just to whet your appetites for a report and pic spread to CUM: I hit the grand lottery of all monger lotteries! Imagine a perfect SW something like this: pretty face; lovely, smooth, medium length dark curly hair (that she loves to have pulled, especially when fucked doggie); petite stature (5 feet); spinner flexibility (can reverse spin on top and do a split!); spinner weight (maybe 115); flat, muscular tummy; incredible hooter-like tatas (38DD); a great ass; smoothly shaved puss; big, wet clit; best BJs I have ever had; best fucking experiences of my life (including civilians); and, on top of everything else: a smart, pleasant and invigorating personality and attitude, and a genuine LOVE for dirty talking, being totally sensually and sexually teasing and submissive, role playing, and sucking and fucking. I know CJ is in love with Stephanie, but this one is for ME. CJ, I give up first dibs for first seeing, reporting on and taking pics of Stephanie, if I can only have Tanya. I am both in lust and in love. Oh, just in passing, she is a 19 year old ebony beauty, not that it matters a tiny iota one way or the other.

It will take me a while to start breathing normally again, collect my thoughts to write a full report and organize and edit the pics. I took well over 100 and they are all so good I just might violate my usual recent MO of publishing 20 and show a lot more. I rather doubt that anyone will be complaining if I post "too many" pics of this SW (but I guess stranger things have happened on this forum). I hope this preliminary summary sets your expectations appropriately high for a real treat of a detailed report and pic shoot of one of the best looking and performing SWs I or you are ever likely to encounter.

CookyJar

09-27-09, 00:13

...I am both in lust and in love. Oh, just in passing, she is a 19 year old ebony beauty,

...I just might violate my usual recent MO of publishing 20 and show a lot more.

...I hope this preliminary summary sets your expectations appropriately high for a real treat of a detailed report and pic shoot of one of the best looking and performing SWs I or you are ever likely to encounter.

I can’t wait. I’m already jealous as hell. Post 'em all.

CookyJar

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 10:44

Sometimes you get so lucky mongering you think you have to pinch yourself to make sure it is real. It is so perfect in all respects that you just know you have hit the zenith, and it isn’t ever going to get any better. Well that was Tanya, a 5 star plus date in every single category.

I spotted Tanya strolling on the west side of the K near Castor. That is an odd spot to begin with because most SWs stay on the east side of the Ave (for whatever quirky unfathomable reason). I knew right away that she would be a winner, from her petite 5 foot stature, sassy, sexy walk, perfectly shaped booty in her tight jeans, and, on the flip side, incredible natural tits (38 DD) and an engaging personable smile. I am not necessarily a breast man, but you couldn’t get much better than these. I AM an ass man and hers was perfect. Her body was the best of all possible worlds: petite and light like a spinner, yet with 5 star tits and ass. I also love a great attitude, and I knew from the moment her bubbly personality bounced into my car that this was going to be FUCKING FUN with double capital “Fs.”

This was definitely going to be as long a date as I could arrange at one of my favorite really nice notels. On the way there I learned a few things about Tanya: she is 19 (she seems a lot older; it’s not that she looks old; her face is young and fresh and pretty; but she has a certain intellectual, social, and, as I was about to discover, sexual, maturity about her that transcends anything I have experienced in a 19 year old);she lives in the burbs (she wasn’t specific as to where); she was a business student for a few years but didn’t have the money to continue so she is taking a brief vacation from school to save a little more dough. She learned about the K from a friend whom she used to drive here. She is afraid of all the nonsense that goes on here after dark, so she sticks to daytime strolling in safer areas along the Ave. She said she is not into drugs (I tend to believe her, but I have learned you can’t believe everything a SW tells you) and is just in it for the money, and can get into it and have fun with the right clients; that she genuinely enjoys sex and it isn’t always just a “job.”

She seemed relieved that we were going to a nice indoor place rather than on a car date, or to the quickie places like the 10 spot house or the Carlyle (she was familiar with both and gave a little shudder). She said she was in the mood for some good long sucking and fucking. I don’t know if that was for “show” to whet my appetite as a client or a genuine wish, but it sure made me hard just to hear it!

When we got to the notel she slowly and teasingly undressed, and she dropped to her knees in front of me and started to suck on my cock. I know I was more than ready, but the majority of women (even SWs) are not the greatest cocksuckers, and take a while to get me fully excited. Not Tanya! She had me fully down her throat and was rapidly licking the underside with her tongue as she did, and expertly lightly cupping and tickling my balls with one hand, and perfectly stroking the bottom of my cock with the other in rhythm to her sucking. I almost popped right there in 30 seconds, and I held her head to stop her and told her it was incredible, but I wanted her to go slow so I could enjoy it, that I didn’t want to cum so soon. She giggled and sucked very slowly up and down the entire length of my shaft. OMG, did that feel good! She did that for another 10 minutes and my cock was twitching inside her mouth, it was so ready to go. I grabbed her hair tightly with both hands, fucked her mouth and told her to suck it right to the root, and I held her head there while blasting a hot load down her throat. She didn’t even gag. She swallowed it whole .

We lay on the bed for a bit cuddling and I was feeling sooooooooo rested and content. But after a while she started kissing and nibbling my ear and whispering the naughtiest things (which I LOVE). She whispered that she wanted to ride me. She started to suck me and give me a wet hand job to get me hard again, which didn’t take long to do, slipped a rubber on me and slid right on top. It was incredible to watch her big perfect tits bouncing as she rode me CG. She was biting her lower lip and grabbing her tits and tweaking her nipples, screaming as she rode me. She was very limber and lifted up one leg and swung around on my dick to a split motion across me and then to RCG (perfect spinner move), and I got a great look at that perfectly formed ass pounding up and down on me. I slid a finger up her ass, and she was fucking both my cock and my finger, saying “YESSSSSSSSSSS, fuck me, fuck my pussy, fuck my ass, harder, harder….” And then I started to spank her and she went crazy, almost hissing as she said, YESSSSSSSS, spank that ass. Finger my ass. Pull my hair! “(which I would alternately do between spanks; damn, I needed 3 hands, lol). Finally her whole body spasmed, and she squealed and pitched forward, totally quiet and still impaled on my cock. I still hadn’t cum and I slid out, pulled off the rubber and turned her around to face me on her knees. I told her to suck fast and all the way down, and to hold the cum in her mouth when I shot it (which I snapped some pics of for your enjoyment).

We sucked and fucked for a good 3 plus hours in total. I lost count of the cups but it was in the vicinity of 5 or 6. She loved to tease, talk dirty, play sexy role play games, be teasing and submissive, suggest different things, have her hair pulled, have her tits squeezed, have her nipples tweaked (even bitten; that drove her nuts), gave incredible head, loved to fuck in every position one can imagine and loved to have a finger up her ass. About the only thing we didn’t do was anal because, although she liked her ass fingered, she wasn’t into ass fucking, which was cool with me. Man, I will have to say this was the best and most exciting sex of my life. Part of the reason was that she was so good looking in every way, but the best part was her extremely sensual and sexy attitude. She was really enjoying herself and that made the enjoyment twice as good for me. I was totally wiped at the end and she was lying there with that teasing smile, and I was wishing I had another round in me, but no dice. She had completely sucked and fucked me bone dry.

The roundup? Face: 5 stars (at least on my scale; very pretty even by civilian standards); Body: 5 stars; BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Attitude: 5 stars; overall experience: 5 stars PLUS!; repeatability: YOU BET!; Damages: 1.75 contribution (I thought it was well worth it, she seemed happy with that and I wanted her to be an eager future repeat). It doesn’t get any better than this, mongers, equaled perhaps but never exceeded.

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 10:49

She was SO delectable and sexy to look at!

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 10:56

I couldn't get enough of either looking at her or doing her.

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 10:59

Yum....yum....YUM!

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 11:05

If you don't like all these sucking pics of Tanya, post me something better!.

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 11:12

You gotta love the pics with cum in her mouth!

Tussel

09-27-09, 11:18

She was SO delectable and sexy to look at!
Good post Super, you and CJ make this forum the best. Keep up the good work!

Ssssbadboyssss

09-27-09, 12:19

If you don't like all these sucking pics of Tanya, post me something better!.
I don't think anyone will be able to live up to that challenge. Equal, that's a tall order but maybe. Better, not gonna happen. She's hot Hot HOT, you hit the monger lottery and I know the peanut gallery will talk about price but she's worth it, especially if she's the new Mrs. Eloquent.

Congrats of your Wedding, LOL
BadBoy

PS. I know this is out of order but when's the bachelor party, I think I know where to find some girls with loose morals.

Ssssbadboyssss

09-27-09, 12:33

BadBoy, you are the exact opposite of all the haters and rock throwers in this forum. You are THE positive and loyal fan of all good contributors. We need more like you. I don't post on here to get attaboys, but getting some positive feedback, support and encouragement from time to time is never a bad thing.
I know how much time, effort, and actual work it takes to find em, fuck em, photo em, and forget em all for our amusement. This site is here for a purpose and the guys who go out, take photos, then come back and tell us about it are fulfilling that purpose to the upmost. That needs to be playa congratulated, not playa hated.

Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 12:40

I don't think anyone will be able to live up to that challenge. Equal, that's a tall order but maybe. Better, not gonna happen. She's hot Hot HOT, you hit the monger lottery and I know the peanut gallery will talk about price but she's worth it, especially if she's the new Mrs. Eloquent.

Congrats of your Wedding, LOL
BadBoy

PS. I know this is out of order but when's the bachelor party, I think I know where to find some girls with loose morals.

I guess there are different ways to look at pricing. The normal price on the Ave for FS is .5 and I busted 6 nuts over the space of several hours for 1.75 with a top shelf provider in every way. That averages out to be considerably less per cup than the going rate. So I figure that I didn't pay too much; rather that I got a bargain volume discount. :-)~

As far as a bachelor party goes, what a wild affair that would be with entertainment from the K!

Supereloquent

09-27-09, 14:22

I can’t wait. I’m already jealous as hell. Post 'em all.

CookyJar

I didn't post all of them, but I tried to eliminate as many of the poses that were very close duplicates as I could. Posting 60 pics of one SW will seem excessive to some, and others may not be able to get enough. But IMHO this SW was worth the highest quantity photo spread I have ever done.

CookyJar

09-27-09, 21:33

...IMHO this SW was worth the highest quantity photo spread I have ever done.

And…IMHO, she was worth every penny spent.

It’s the difference between a $50 BJ sitting in a car and a full 3 hour fuck session. It’s the difference between blindly groping a lady in the dark and fondling a real beauty at your leisure. I often wonder how some guys can rant about a girl rushing them during a ½ hour car day. If you are sitting in a car, trying to get a nut, how much time do you actually have before the neighbors, robber or LE interrupt?

(Sometimes a quick car date is necessary. I understand that. On the other hand, sometimes it’s better to take the time and do it right.)

Supereloquent, I ain’t mad at cha. I’m jealous as hell. But; I ain’t mad at cha. LOL

CookyJar

PS: Tanya "Picturep 32" says it all for me. There is no way I’d have settled for a quickie date with this hottie.

Mike 80

09-28-09, 05:01

Castingcouch

09-28-09, 10:16

Supereloquent

09-28-09, 11:00

I love your enthusiasm about Tanya. And you're right she looks like she's having fun too. Thanks for all the the pics and ignore the morons who complain. It's pretty obvious the girl can seriously suck dick. She looks clean and well-kept. Her nails, smile - it all looks appetizing.

Thanks for your comments.

You are right that Tanya was extremely clean and smelled great. She was like doing a girl you picked up shopping at the mall. And she genuinely loved to suck and fuck.

Attitude is 80% or more with me when having sexual fun. A terrific looking SW might act like a cold bi*tch and an average to below-average looking SW might light the hot fires of your sexual imagination. But when a great looking SW has a great attitude there is nothing like it for ultimate mongering pleasure.

I have had some great dick sucking from gals on the Ave. The first one to really ring the 5 star bell for me was Stephanie, but I have been lucky enough to have enjoyed a number of them since who had serious and enthusiastic cock sucking talent. Tanya was every bit as good in this category as anyone I have ever experienced.

I take it that DATY was somewhere on the menu during this marathon session.

I don't DATY with a SW even when she is clean and very well kept like Tanya. I would guess there is no less risk of disease than getting a BBBJ, in which I engage frequently, but it is just a personal choice.

I tend to prefer slender, petite, small breasted girls but I also like variety. Based on what I see here and your report I would happily do Tanya anytime, anywhere.

I prefer variety too and I really like spinners, but my guess would be that maybe 10 to 20% of the K are in this category. Tanya not only had a petite spinner, athletic body with a firm round ass, but her tits were absolutely gorgeous, big and soft and natural. She loved to have them squeezed and pinched and played with and even bitten.

... speaking of smaller petite girls I was on the Ave late tonight...missed on one I really wanted - Carol who I saw crossing K by Huntingdon Station. You may remember Super's photos a while back and I reported on her back in winter time maybe a couple of years ago now, but haven't seen her since. Anyway tonight Carol was looking very good in a sweater and even looked alert in my brief pass by, alertness not always being her strong point Of course by the time I did my circle around manuever she'd vanished.

Carol was a 5 star FS even when she was half asleep. I can't imagine what she would be alike fully alert. (Maybe she needs to be half asleep to perform well...LOL) I have only seen her once since I did her a few months ago, complete with photo shoot. I am glad to hear she is still around. I would love to have a repeat engagement.

The one I specifically went looking for was Stacy/Stacey, perhaps the premier K BBBJ technician (as nominated by Dark Phoenix and myself). Actually K is misleading for her b/c she usually stays off the Ave and hangs out on a side street several blocks below Lehigh. There are a few Stacy's out there but if you're interested check either his or my archived reports for a physical description and the relatively consistent time of night and location to find her. Had no luck spotting her tonight.

It sounds like Stacy/Stacey is worth a try. I usually monger during the day but, like I said, I enjoy variety and several good reports here recently on some "ladies of the evening" on and off the K just might have me sojourning at night a few times in the future. The downside is that my favorite notels have "day" rates....LOL.

Supereloquent

09-28-09, 11:25

And…IMHO, she was worth every penny spent.

It’s the difference between a $50 BJ sitting in a car and a full 3 hour fuck session. It’s the difference between blindly groping a lady in the dark and fondling a real beauty at your leisure. I often wonder how some guys can rant about a girl rushing them during a ½ hour car day. If you are sitting in a car, trying to get a nut, how much time do you actually have before the neighbors, robber or LE interrupt?

(Sometimes a quick car date is necessary. I understand that. On the other hand, sometimes it’s better to take the time and do it right.)

Supereloquent, I ain’t mad at cha. I’m jealous as hell. But; I ain’t mad at cha. LOL

CookyJar

PS: Tanya "Picturep 32" says it all for me. There is no way I’d have settled for a quickie date with this hottie.

She was DEFINITELY worth every penny.

I have avoided quickie car dates of late for the same reasons you mentioned. Fumbling around like a teenager in your car to bust a fast nut with all the "lookout" stress involved just doesn't seem worth it to me compared to stretching out and relaxing on a bed, taking your time, and having some real fun in any way that you choose for hours on end.

I never thought at all that you were "mad' at me Cooky. And there is no reason to be jealous either. Tanya is out there and available for any lucky monger. And you WOULD have to be lucky. She has terrific curb appeal and would not have a long shelf life any place on the K. My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek when talking about being in love, as I am sure yours was regarding Stephanie/Stefany and about being "mad" or "jealous." But both of them clearly are better than most, and are totally worthwhile FS experiences.

I agree that my "pic 32" of her was one of my better shots to reveal her hot body and radiant personality. Here it is again for mongers who couldn't find it or identify it. She looks a lot taller in her pics, but all that lusciousness is packed into a petite, athletic and flexible 5 foot frame.

Baldy Cruiser

09-28-09, 13:49

Me luvs that Tanya!! WOW!!
Built like a brick shit house.

Great pics. Great report. You & Cookie are posting some great stuff!!

BALDY CRUISER :)

Supereloquent

09-28-09, 15:04

Me luvs that Tanya!! WOW!!
Built like a brick shit house.

Great pics. Great report. You & Cookie are posting some great stuff!!

BALDY CRUISER :)

That is high praise indeed coming from you Baldy Cruiser. I am a big fan of your work.

Thanks for labeling my pic of Tanya. What software did you use?

I love the T-shirts that you put on your gals that say "I love Baldy Cruiser."

Silverfox2

09-28-09, 19:44

Super: Absolutely Unbelievable Find. IMHO She May Be The All Around SW That Has Ever Been Posted On Here. Love Everything About This Sweet Young Ebony Beauty. Great Great Job.

Hawk can You Believe This Shit!!! First Cooky with Star now Super with Tanya. Great Stuff Guys. I For One Appreciate Both Your Works Immensely.

Super If By Chance You Have Digits Of Tanya And Can Share, I Would Happilly Pay You A Finders Fee. I'm Very Serious, That's How Much I Would Enjoy Meeting Her. No Disrespect Intended, Just An Honest Offer For Your Efforts.

Let Me Know.

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Hi Silverfox2,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Mike 80

09-29-09, 02:32

Me luvs that Tanya!! WOW!! Built like a brick shit house.Baldy's nailed it. The perfect description.

When I mentioned how I usually prefer petite, small-breasted women, the last thing I was thinking is that anyone could classify Tanya as petite but indeed Super does and (beyond her short stature) I guess I now see his point. One thing I meant by the comment is that I like tight bodies and when you look at the photo Baldy highlights Tanya is amazingly voluptuous but she is also tight as a drum. The thighs, stomach, looks like you could bounce quarters off them. Her breasts must have been sprouting an inch a month during high school. At some point she may have trouble with weight but at the moment, at 19, she is prime stuff. Makes me start humming the old Commodores party starter:

Brick House
Chorus:
She's a brick----house
Mighty might just lettin' it all hang out
She's a brick----house
The lady's stacked and that's a fact,
ain't holding nothing back.

She's a brick----house
She's the one, the only one,
who's built like a amazon
We're together everybody knows,
and here's how the story goes.

She knows she got everything
a woman needs to get a man, yeah.
How can she lose with what she use
36-24-36, what a winning hand!

Chorus

The clothes she wears, the sexy ways,
make an old man wish for younger days
She knows she's built and knows how to please
Sure enough to knock a man to his knees

Chorus

Bridge

Shake it down, shake it down now (repeat)

Supereloquent

09-29-09, 03:11

...the last thing I was thinking is that anyone could classify Tanya as petite but indeed Super does and (beyond her short stature) I guess I now see his point. One thing I meant by the comment is that I like tight bodies and when you look at the photo Baldy highlights Tanya is amazingly voluptuous but she is also tight as a drum. The thighs, stomach, looks like you could bounce quarters off them. Her breasts must have been sprouting an inch a month during high school.

High School? No. Tanya said she started wearing a bra in fourth grade, and she very rapidly grew into a C cup (38DD now). Apart from her big hooters she is definitely a tight little package, 5 feet, 115 with the fit, tight body of a gymnast. She said she was a cheerleader in high school and she could definitely do a split, and did so as she spun around to RCG on my cock!

Supereloquent

09-30-09, 18:31

It's been sometime since I been down the way. I am a walker I do not drive the K. I plan a quick day trip to the K & Somerset this week. My question is this is the Woodshed still open and is there still sw action around the Shed. Or is there another place around ? Can anyone let me know?

Thanks

The Woodshed is still open and, as far as I know, room rental is still available. Last time I checked they wanted .25 for 1/2 hour and the room was dirty and nasty. Maybe it has been cleaned up since I last saw it, but, if not, the only action worth considering there is a BJ or doggie in the standing position. There is usually SW action to be had in that vicinity both day and night, particularly on the Cambria corner, but often right in front of The Woodshed itself.

If you are going to be on foot I would more highly recommend the Huntingdon area. You might have to be more patient there, because SW activity in that vicinity is more sporadic, but if you are on foot you could consider a short walk from there to the 10 spot house. Bring your own cover sheet if you expect to be lying down, because my guess is that the proprietor changes the sheets and covers every blue moon .

Some better options: drive, and go to the Carlyle, much cleaner than The Woodshed and .20 for an hour, .30 for 2 hours and .55 for 24 hours. Or, if you monger in the day, as I do, and want to engage in something longer and more relaxing than a quickie, take a short drive to some of the nicer notels with day rates (.33 "all in" from 5 AM to 4 PM) in Trevose/ Bensalem on Route One near the entrance to the turnpike.

Vegas Black

09-30-09, 20:31

You hit the jackpot my friend.
If you got her digits, you need to make her a regular.
Great report and pictures.

Supereloquent

09-30-09, 20:37

Not that you read this forum to expand your appreciation for literature, but the quote we now know so well as, "Imitation is the sincerest 'form' of flattery," was originally written in 1820 as, "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery," and was the most famous quotation of Charles Caleb Colton, an otherwise obscure English cleric and writer.

Regardless, imitation is my topic and flattery should be the appropriate consequence.

I was struck by something CJ mentioned back in April about the sheer volume of pics he has posted in this forum. At the time he was closing in on 2500; now he is approaching 3000. He said something in that post that reflects my pic taking philosophy as well: it is a "natural way of recording good times." Cooky wondered exactly how many different girls his many pics have included since he started posting here in 2005, and that one day he might scroll down his computer disk and walk down memory lane.

That prompted me to wonder how many different girls I have photographed in the much shorter time I have been posting here. I have a much easier task to figure this out than Cooky. I am approaching 750 total pictures, just counting 2009, so I took a page out of Baldy Cruiser's book, selected a favorite shot of each SW and labeled it with my name and their names (yes, an old dog can learn new tricks; I learned how to reduce the brightness of close-up flash pics, and now I have learned how to use a graphics program to label my pics with text).

So now I have an answer to my question and a "summary" of memories: a collection of one favorite, labeled pic for each of 37 different SWs (soon to be 38; I dated and took pics of another today) whom I have photographed in 2009, thanks to the combined inspiration of CJ and Baldy Cruiser. And what better imitation of ideas could I create or flattery bestow?

So my quandary is this. Is anyone interested in seeing this creation or is it better just left in my own private album? Or, are we better off to wait for a 2009 year end cataloging and vote for the SWs photographed by EVERYONE in whatever categories are desired? After all, we do have DukePV's photo index as a reminder for the voters. What say you fellow mongers?

Ssssbadboyssss

10-01-09, 07:28

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 10:17

Well I'll be the first to chime in. I'm pretty sure I've scrutinized everyone of those pictures in great detail and would love to have them indexed and labeled for quick reference.

Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Thanks for the input. I was ambitiously thinking of setting up three separate galleries. One gallery would be a clothed photo of each SW (I have noted that there are many views of the first clothed shot of any SW I photograph; I would imagine this is because it is an easier way to identify them as they might appear on the street). The second gallery would be one favorite sexy/nude shot each. The third gallery would be one favorite BJ shot each (where I have one; a few draw the line at BJ pics). I could place these photo galleries here in my thread, or start a new thread that would just contain these galleries. It could be a quick reference to all the SWs I have photographed and, from the name on the pic, you could quickly also do a search of the report(s) about her that I have written.

Everyone who has an opinion: let me know what you think.

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 10:39

I was out and about yesterday and had a great date with Nelly (now I know first hand why she is such a favorite of CJ and others). A detailed report and pics will follow.

I am not the most terrific cameraman for street recon, nor is my camera the best for long distance shots. My first attempt at it here will aptly demonstrate these failings. The first SW I tried to photograph saw I was taking her pic and placed a hand up to her face. The other two didn't notice but I was across the street so the pics aren't as clear.

All of these pics were taken at the Cambria corner. The two thin SWs look very fetching. The fat one looks like she is 7 months pregnant but probably is just a natural whale (however, I don't discriminate; many fatties make excellent cock suckers). I didn't recognize any of these SWs. Does anyone have a clue who they are?

Ssssbadboyssss

10-01-09, 16:31

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 18:47

If it were me I'd start a new thread with it and call it SuperE's Wonderful Hooker Emporium. Maybe do something different and instead of archiving by year maybe do it by price, I don't know how difficult that would be but it would certainly be different and interesting. On a more serious note it would have to be done in a seperate thread or else it would be buried very quickly simply because of the sheer volume of posts to your current thread. Also congrats on joining the Nelly club, she's wild ain't she. Can't wait to see the pics. BadBoy

You make an interesting suggestion: to archive the pics by price. But most of my SW encounters are different. Some are for a 2 cup suck at the 10 spot house and some are for a 2 cup FS at the Carlyle and some are for a multiple cup several hour marathon at a suburban notel. I don't tend to have the same kind of date twice, well, except maybe for the marathons. But most of the "prices" are more like donations; I often pay and tip according to the quantity and the quality of the services rendered.

I am leaning towards starting a separate thread because, you are right that any photo galleries/indexes would rapidly get buried and dated here in this thread. At least in a separate thread I could keep them fresh and up to date and easy to access without any other postings in the way. I am contemplating some names for the thread. The name you suggested was tongue in cheek, but I am thinking about something like: "SuperEloquent's SW Pic Galleries." There would be three galleries (maybe 4), arranged alphabetically (to make each SW easy to find): one with a clothed pic for each SW (for street ID); one with a sexy/nude pic for each SW (to get a look at the goods); and one with a BJ shot each (for the BJ pic lovers). One additional gallery I am considering is one spread shot for each SW, since a good look at the kitty seems to get high viewing rates in the Forum Photo Gallery. I need to find out how to keep the thread closed to other postings (as is done for DukePV's Photo Index) so that it doesn't get filled with extraneous other posts other than my editing or adding pics to the galleries. Maybe you could tell me Duke how you set that up with the Admin? Or maybe someone else on the board has some knowledge/suggestions in this regard.

RE: Nelly, I don't know that she is "wild," but she most certainly is warm, personable, accommodating and the girl has SKILLS! She must have had a sixth sense about my being a trustworthy client, even though we had never dated before, because we never discussed price or had money exchange hands until we were finished (and the payment amount was up to me, and I always try to be more than fair in such situations), and she gave me a 1000% effort and service, never hurrying me one damn bit and appearing to sincerely enjoy it herself as well. This girl is definitely a top shelf provider and a gem to date if you have never had the privilege. If the K were full of Nellys it would be a paradise.

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 22:06

Many reports have been written here about Nelly and all have been very favorable. I am not about to break that string. Several photo spreads have also been done, notably by CJ, but Nelly is so naturally sexily fetching that I doubt that anyone would object to one more.

While I monger frequently and would certainly recognize Nelly by sight (which I did), I have never seen her myself on the Ave nor dated her before now. I think this speaks volumes about the hit or miss nature of opportunities on the K.

I found Nelly on the Letterly corner yesterday (Wednesday) in the early afternoon. From the start she was the bubbly, warm personality which has been documented over and over in this forum. We had a very pleasant and engaging conversation on the way to the Carlyle. I was kicking myself that I didn’t have more time. I would have preferred to take Nelly on a marathon date for a few hours at one of my favorite notels in the burbs.

When we arrived Nelly apologized that she would be unable to remove her top, something about having stitches under her left arm. She seemed also to have difficulty raising her left arm. But that didn’t prevent her from doing an excellent job. She had absolutely outstanding BBBJ skills. She had an incredible talent for it and was able to take me to the root with skillful use of her mouth, throat and tongue in a wonderful unison. That, combined with her looking up at me with those sexy brown eyes soon had me squirting a hot load into her mouth. She held it there for a photo, but she is a spitter and not a swallower (no biggie; I never did sense any extra personal satisfaction from swallowers; maybe it is is a sexual humiliation thing for some mongers to know the SW is digesting his load; for me, CIM is CIM). After the first cup I was ready to be sucked hard again for round 2 and Nelly was quite able to get me hard a second time in short order. When she had me again teased hard as a rock with her long powerful sucks, I was ready to plow that plump wet puss, which I did both mish and doggie. Nelly enjoys herself and it is no act. She really gets into it and gets her freak on. She is not a dirty talker. In fact she is a bit sweetly shy that way (or at least she was with me) but she really liked hearing me talk dirty and that seemed to really turn her on. Turning her on turned me on as well and she started to wiggle and writhe and finally to sigh and let out long low moans and little squeaks and screeches. It was a self reinforcing spiral of hot bump and grind lust as I pounded her harder and harder and she screamed louder and louder. It was so sexy to see that finely shaped ass as I fucked her doggie and I said all manner of filthy things, which excited me and also appeared to excite her. I said, “Be a good little sl*ut for Papi…fuck me…fuck me good….fuck me hard.” And her ass would wiggle and pump up and down and I could feel her pussy clenching around my cock as her breathing intensified , and she started to let out little squeals. I kept talking filthy dirty and she kept writhing and loving it and I finally busted a second hard nut, and collapsed on top of her, and both of us were laughing out loud.

The box score? Face: 4 stars (Nelly is pretty, not perfect but certainly better than average); Body: 4 stars (I can’t comment on the tits because she had them covered the whole time; just a bit chubby around the belly and a few body blemishes, but a 5 star ass!); Personality: 5 stars PLUS; BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Overall experience: 5 stars; Repeatability: ANYtime!; Damages: We never discussed price either before or after but I donated .75; that’s a little higher than I would normally pay on the K, even for 2 cups of BJ and FS, but Nelly was sweet and fun and sexy and skillful and accommodating and worth every penny, and I believe in rewarding good SW performance.

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 22:11

The way Nelly looked when sucking was almost as good as it felt.

CookyJar

10-01-09, 22:42

When I mentioned how I usually prefer petite, small-breasted women, the last thing I was thinking is that anyone could classify Tanya as petite…

Tanya not only had a petite spinner, athletic body with a firm round ass, but her tits were absolutely gorgeous, big and soft and natural.

Why don’t both of you guys follow this link “Everybody can’t be a spinner” to see my idea of a spinner.

 lol

CookyJar

Supereloquent

10-01-09, 23:40

Why don’t both of you guys follow this link “Everybody can’t be a spinner” to see my idea of a spinner.

 lol

CookyJar

If Tanya had tiny tits I don't think anybody would be arguing that she wasn't a "spinner." She was 5 feet tall, 115 pounds and she was agile enough to literally spin on my cock and do a split as she did it. Perhaps "everybody can't be a spinner," but is a spinner a girl who is short and thin and "should" be able to spin on your cock, or one who actually CAN?

Trashed201

10-02-09, 05:26

CookyJar

10-02-09, 08:37

…is a spinner a girl who is short and thin and "should" be able to spin on your cock, or one who actually CAN?

You make a good point. The whole thing is relative. One man’s spinner is another man’s porker. I’ve done weights for the better part of my life and consider myself a pretty big guy. Most girls are spinners to me.

All of that is irrelevant. The fact is: I am still a bit jealous and I look for Tanya on my every trip to the Avenue. She’s a hottie with a nice body.

CookyJar

Supereloquent

10-02-09, 09:46

You make a good point. The whole thing is relative. One man’s spinner is another man’s porker. I’ve done weights for the better part of my life and consider myself a pretty big guy. Most girls are spinners to me.

All of that is irrelevant. The fact is: I am still a bit jealous and I look for Tanya on my every trip to the Avenue. She’s a hottie with a nice body.

CookyJar

I knew you were just yanking our chains about Tanya not being a "spinner." It IS all relative. One thing for certain though is that Tanya is no "porker." She's a hottie by anybody's definition. That doesn't mean I haven't done my share of porker SWs. I find the vast majority of them to have superior oral skills. I consider myself to be an equal opportunity and variety seeking monger in every sense of the phrase.

If you want to find Tanya she will most likely be above Ontario during daylight hours. As we both well know the K is very much hit or miss. Just a block differential, or a one minute time delay or advance, could mean you find a gem or lose one. I have known about Nelly, for example, for a very long time but I never once saw her on the Ave until this past Wednesday. I know this wasn't from lack of looking because I monger as much as anybody. I also know that it isn't because she hasn't been around, because others have reported on her, there were some very recent street shots of her, and you have done numerous photo spreads of her (including a few three-somes; if I would have had more time Wednesday I would definitely have picked up a third and headed to a burban notel for a 3-some pic taking, FS marathon).

Very high on my "to-do" list are Star and Moyua. And your latest find, sweet little Stephanie, makes me want to try Camden. So you, my friend, have nothing about which to be jealous. You definitely have some SW notches on your belt that I would like to duplicate.

Mike 80

10-02-09, 13:33

She must have had a sixth sense about my being a trustworthy client, even though we had never dated before, because we never discussed price or had money exchange hands until we were finished (and the payment amount was up to me, and I always try to be more than fair in such situations)That aspect of SW service doesn't get commented on often - mostly likely because it occurs so rarely but it is definitely in my Top 5 things a SW can do to impress me and win me over as a client. It actually might even be the number one thing. It's such an unexpected, trusting, and I'd argue even smart gesture. As you say, when it happens I am always fair in terms of what I give her and will sometimes even pay a bit more than I would have originally. Unfortunately I'm sure some guys take advantage of that situation and will rip a girl off. A couple years ago on the Vegas board I remember getting blasted by someone for not stiffing a SW on Boulder Hwy who never mentioned money before or after and delivered a great marathon FS session. I think I said I gave her $80. There are some real douches in this hobby who ruin it for the rest of us.

Supereloquent

10-02-09, 14:31

That aspect of SW service doesn't get commented on often - mostly likely because it occurs so rarely but it is definitely in my Top 5 things a SW can do to impress me and win me over as a client. It actually might even be the number one thing. It's such an unexpected, trusting, and I'd argue even smart gesture. As you say, when it happens I am always fair in terms of what I give her and will sometimes even pay a bit more than I would have originally. Unfortunately I'm sure some guys take advantage of that situation and will rip a girl off. A couple years ago on the Vegas board I remember getting blasted by someone for not stiffing a SW on Boulder Hwy who never mentioned money before or after and delivered a great marathon FS session. I think I said I gave her $80. There are some real douches in this hobby who ruin it for the rest of us.I TOTALLY agree with you Mike. I think that not mentioning money is one of the best things a SW can do to impress me, and I am always inclined to reward it. A terrific attitude and personality usually goes hand in hand with this, and that was certainly the case with Nelly. It IS such a rare, unexpected and probably smart move with most mongers, the majority of whom are good guys, and more than fair when given the opportunity.

I had a discussion with Nelly on the way back from the Carlyle about how I appreciated her trusting gesture, and I asked her if being so sweet had ever resulted in a ripoff, not that I was encouraging her to abandon her amiable ways. She recalled 2 specific occasions, one where a guy paid her .1 and said that was all he had. The other incident involved a guy who was a friend and a regular, who drove her to a remote spot, did the deed and abandoned her there without paying her. She walked a long distance to the closest street, in heels and a short mini-skirt, and nobody would pick her up even to give her a ride. So she sat on a bench and cried her eyes out. Finally a guy stopped and was good enough to give her a ride without expecting anything in return. I would like to think that I would be someone who would do that.

We talk all kinds of shit here about SWs being druggies and using them, etc. but you would have to be absolutely heartless not to recognize that they are human beings with a life as precious as yours. I don't wish to be hypocritical here. I pay them for sex; I like to talk dirty to them and hear them talk dirty to me; I get off "using" them as pleasure toys. But I also would like to think that I respect them as human beings and would not try to rip them off or harm them in any way. That brand of uncaring cruelty is reserved for the real "douches," as you correctly named them Mike, who ruin it for the rest of us, and make the up front payment a ritual with virtually every SW.

If I were Nelly I would have a hard time being so nice and trusting with anyone, particularly a total stranger, after being ripped off in the ways that she has. She has a strong and congenial character that transcends her life on the streets, and is worthy of our admiration. I hope there is a special place in hell for the 2 mongers who took advantage of Nelly, or at the very least that what goes around comes around to bite them really hard on the ass.

Supereloquent

10-02-09, 22:50

The fat one in white might be Theresa. She's put on a ton of weight if that's her. If it is she gives phenomenal head!

If that is true then it is one more piece of evidence in my contention that "most" chubbies (and MILFS for that matter) are great cock suckers.

Forth Ryte

10-03-09, 07:20

I had a discussion with Nelly on the way back from the Carlyle about how I appreciated her trusting gesture, and I asked her if being so sweet had ever resulted in a ripoff ... She recalled 2 specific occasions,....
If I were Nelly I would have a hard time being so nice and trusting with anyone, particularly a total stranger, after being ripped off in the ways that she has. ... I respect them as human beings and would not try to rip them off or harm them in any way.

Like you, Super, I would not rip anyone off but I have to admit I am impressed with those odds that this trusting soul was ripped off only twice out of how many hundreds of strangers whose cars she climbed into. That does say a lot for most of us out there.

-- Forth Ryte

Supereloquent

10-03-09, 11:23

Like you, Super, I would not rip anyone off but I have to admit I am impressed with those odds that this trusting soul was ripped off only twice out of how many hundreds of strangers whose cars she climbed into. That does say a lot for most of us out there.

-- Forth Ryte

Nellie is 30 (or so she says, and 5 feet 6 and 150 pounds as long as we are on stats), and I don't know how long she has been a SW but only 2 ripoffs DOES say a lot for most of us out there. Of course, I didn't ask her for an exhaustive list. My question was open ended.

I have had a few mediocre experiences, and only a handful of very bad experiences while mongering, but I have never been ripped off or found myself in a dangerous or compromised situation (except one "extortion" attempt by blond Katie; but it was just that, an attempt, and didn't succeed). If my experience is typical then that also says a lot for most of the SWs out there. Of course, I primarily monger in the daytime, and the little experience I have mongering at night tells me that the K is a far different place then in terms of potentially bad things that can happen to you.

We talk about the danger on the K, and the desperation of addicted SWs looking for their next high, and the high crime rate in that area, etc. I personally have never been even slightly touched or threatened by any of that. That doesn't mean that I should let my awareness slacken or let my guard down, because there is a reason for high LE presence in that area and it isn't primarily to deal with prostitution, although we might think that to be the case.

Supereloquent

10-03-09, 12:36

I have petitioned the Admin for a pic gallery that would have limited access (to eliminate extraneous posts) and unlimited editing (to allow ongoing updates). Although he thought my idea was a very good one, apparently the site does not have the software to support such a format.

So I have modified my idea to the following: I will establish a series of pic galleries in a separate thread. The galleries will include one pic each of every SW with whom I have done a photo shoot in the following categories: 1) Clothed (there seem to be many views of these types of pics; my guess is because it is the best way to identify SWs in their natural habitat); 2) Undressed (to get a look at the goods; shots with a good look at the tits seem to get the highest viewing); 3) Naked spread shots (THE most popular hit rate for views in the forum photo gallery); and 4) BJ shots (for you BJ lovers). Each gallery will be separate with one photo each for every SW in the gallery (to eliminate clutter and make it easy to quickly find whatever one seeks). Each photo will be labeled with the SW's name and the galleries will be arranged alphabetically, so you can quickly and easily find a particular SW and/or search on any report(s) that may have been written about her.

I will post this soon and do a quarterly "roundup" on an ongoing basis, with a complete summary every year end. I would only ask that members do not post comments to the galleries, but rather send any comments they may have to my thread here so that the galleries remain ONLY for pics, and make it easy to view and find SWs without having to search through my entire thread here, or have them buried in a pile of postings.

If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions about this, please feel free to comment and/or PM.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-03-09, 13:07

"......"I have had a few mediocre experiences, and only a handful of very bad experiences while mongering, but I have never been ripped off or found myself in a dangerous or compromised situation (except one "extortion" attempt by blond Katie; but it was just that, an attempt, and didn't succeed). If my experience is typical then that also says a lot for most of the SWs out there. Of course, I primarily monger in the daytime, and the little experience I have mongering at night tells me that the K is a far different place then in terms of potentially bad things that can happen to you.

We talk about the danger on the K, and the desperation of addicted SWs looking for their next high, and the high crime rate in that area, etc. I personally have never been even slightly touched or threatened by any of that. That doesn't mean that I should let my awareness slacken or let my guard down, because there is a reason for high LE presence in that area and it isn't primarily to deal with prostitution, although we might think that to be the case.

You've been very cautious and also very lucky. From your obvious intelligence and having read most of your posts, seeing the subtle hints of your cautiousness (following your gut, paying close attention to body language and appearance) also an amount of luck, you've never run into that bad apple. When I say bad, I'm not talking about horrible or no service bad, I'm talking money or your life bad. I had a very bad experience a few months ago that looking back on I shouldn't have walked away from. I really believe being victimized is a way of life on the K and if you spend enough time there eventually someone will try to take advantage of you, hopefully you come out on top when they do but I'm starting to believe it's inevitable. Then I hear a story like Nelly's. I've dated Nelly before and agree with every post about her so far. She's a really sweet girl, I never knew she was victimized in this way, she doesn't show it at all. If I were going to trust a SW she'd be the one. When I first dated her she charged me .2 and I handed her .4 she counted it and immediated handed me the other .2 back like I accidentially miscounted. I told her it's a tip silly and we both laughed and she was very appreciative. She's the type of girl that would restore ones faith in humanity.

Be Safe Gentleman
BadBoy

Mike 80

10-03-09, 13:09

I have to admit I am impressed with those odds that this trusting soul was ripped off only twice out of how many hundreds of strangers whose cars she climbed into. That does say a lot for most of us out there.Yes certainly the vast majority of mongers and SWs are decent people who treat each other reasonably if not with respect. But talking with girls over the years it's pretty clear that there plenty of exceptions. Nelly mentioned two specific incidents to Super. I'd be very surprised if those are the only two bad experiences she's had if she has been doing this for years. Maybe these were illustrative examples, the most memorable, or came first to mind.

Girls talk about guys beating them for no reason or just being way too rough, or of being robbed and physically thrown out of a car after doing the deed or being refused a ride back to the track, or being forced to do things they don't want to do like a SW I met in Philly this year who talked about refusing anal to a guy who was insistent and then when he got her into a doggie position he overpowered her and anally raped her. And of course this doesn't even count the real sickos who murder SWs.

As much fun, sexual satisfaction, and thrills as I've gotten out of this hobby, hearing and reading these stories it's hard to imagine the level of desperation and risk-taking it requires to get into strangers' cars or return to getting back in them after you've had one of these frightening experiences. I know it's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes but never in a million years could I see myself doing it if I were a girl with a nasty habit. I think I'd be more inclined to steal or scam. At least then you're the one dictating terms rather than putting yourself at the mercy of whoever happens to pick you up.

Supereloquent

10-03-09, 15:50

That aspect of SW service doesn't get commented on often - mostly likely because it occurs so rarely but it is definitely in my Top 5 things a SW can do to impress me and win me over as a client. It actually might even be the number one thing.

I was thinking, like you, that a SW not negotiating money or even taking money up front was a rarity. Then I started to take a trip down memory lane, and I realized that I had experienced quite a number of SWs who didn't mention money or ask for it up front. These included, in addition to Nelly, blond Sarah, Dotty, Kitty, Kandi, Melanie, Monica, Courtney, Anna, Tammy, Tina, Natalie, Porsha, Nicole, Deb, Chris, Maria, Melissa, Rhonda, Selena, Strawberry, Torresdale Cheryl, Jamie (not Jaime), Lacey (now MIA), Cathy, Angel and Tanya.

Of course, that was my experience. YMMV

Supereloquent

10-03-09, 17:49

Have you ever truly burned for a SW before you picked her up?. That's one of the virtues of walking the K. You get a long sustained view of a woman and that's when lust can really set in. This is what happened with Crystal.

Search my thread for a report and photo spread I did on Crystal earlier this year.

CookyJar

10-04-09, 00:59

I was thinking, like you, that a SW not negotiating money or even taking money up front was a rarity. Then I started to take a trip down memory lane, and I realized that I had experienced quite a number of SWs who didn't mention money or ask for it up front.

I usually bring up the subject. On a first date with a girl, I usually start off the conversation. After the proper checks, I like to pull over and get to know the girl – feel her out a little. I try not to get too far along before deciding if I really want the girl. I also want to be sure that she is willing/and able to give me what I want. I hate surprises. I like being up front. Upfront, I explain what I want and what I am willing to do for it. I also let them know that if extras are offered and accepted, I will adjust my original offer.

I get all of that junk out of the way, asap. Why? I don’t want to pay for the room and then hear, “I usually charge $50 for a BJ,” or “I don’t do that,” or “Not my face,” and the one I hate the most, “My period is on.” That’s why I get all of the negotiating out of the way from the start. I take charge from the beginning so there will not be any miss understandings later. It’s - Taking care of business first so that there will be no bull shit later.

Of cause, girls like Nelly, Moyua and all of the other girls who know me never speak of money. They know what I want, they know what I expect and they know I’ve got their back (so to speak).

CookyJar

PS: Please notice that I never once said I pay money for pussy. Why? Because I don’t pay for pussy - that’s against the law.

Mike 80

10-04-09, 01:20

I usually bring up the subject.That's true. I'd say at least half the time I'm the one who brings up money. If so it's right at the moment when we're about to get down to business. If she brings it up it's usually early in the conversation while we're driving. I never bring up money then.

I guess the situations I'm talking about, the ones that stick out in my mind, are where I've never met the SW before, we talk, fuck, we get dressed, and even afterward she never mentions money or gives the impression she's demanding or expecting something from me. Obviously she is expecting payment but she's confident and trusting enough of me that she doesn't ask or drop hints. Those are the women that impress the hell out of me and are such a treat. I don't know what it is about those girls who cause me not to feel that I have to bring up money first. Maybe more of them would do it but if I tried but I don't often get that feeling that it's cool with her. And I'd rather have her in a good state of mind while we're doing it rather than wondering if she's going to get cheated or outright ripped off.

PS: Please notice that I never once said I pay money for pussy. Why? Because I don’t pay for pussy - that’s against the law.Well you're CookyJar, you don't need to pay. The free advertising you and Super provide these girls, both of you should be getting all the free pussy you can eat.

Supereloquent

10-04-09, 11:54

I try not to get too far along before deciding if I really want the girl. I also want to be sure that she is willing/and able to give me what I want. I hate surprises. I like being up front. Upfront, I explain what I want and what I am willing to do for it. I also let them know that if extras are offered and accepted, I will adjust my original offer.

Like you Cooky, the first decision I make is if I really want the girl. That isn't just a physical look but is, more importantly, an assessment of attitude. The vast majority of the time my radar is working very well in that regard; however, I must admit that a few times the little head won the argument over the big head, and when that happened I usually regretted it. Even if we have negotiated nothing, then I mention pic taking, and, if we are clear on that, I assume everything else I want is on the table and it usually is. If she looks and seems prime and/or I know her to be excellent, we head for a nice notel. If I am on the fence, or time is an issue for me, then the 10 spot house or the Carlyle is the destination. If she doesn't bring up money I never do either.

I guess the situations I'm talking about, the ones that stick out in my mind, are where I've never met the SW before, we talk, fuck, we get dressed, and even afterward she never mentions money or gives the impression she's demanding or expecting something from me. Obviously she is expecting payment but she's confident and trusting enough of me that she doesn't ask or drop hints. Those are the women that impress the hell out of me and are such a treat.

What you are describing Mike are exactly the experiences I had with the SWs I mentioned.

I don't know what it is about those girls who cause me not to feel that I have to bring up money first. Maybe more of them would do it but if I tried but I don't often get that feeling that it's cool with her. And I'd rather have her in a good state of mind while we're doing it rather than wondering if she's going to get cheated or outright ripped off.

It's all in your head, Mike. Try it more often. They have street instincts too, usually very good ones. If they thought you were the kind of guy to rip them off, they would insist on money up front. I don't know that not working something out up front affects their "state of mind" to be negative. I think the opposite is true; they have a motivation to perform well to be rewarded well. I think most SWs can tell the good guys from the bad guys. I have found that many will trust a "good guy" to be fair. I usually honor that trust with more than fair compensation.

I don’t want to pay for the room and then hear, “I usually charge $50 for a BJ,” or “I don’t do that,” or “Not my face,” and the one I hate the most, “My period is on.” That’s why I get all of the negotiating out of the way from the start.

Maybe I am lucky but I have never paid for a room and then run into someone who says, well I usually get X for this or that. She either has brought up the money subject while driving or not at all, even after we arrive at the room. And only once did I run into that kind of discussion after the deed, but it is just posing on her part, and what leverage does she have then? On that one occasion we came to an amiable compromise.

I have never had a bad surprise of a girl on her period because that is one question I ask her while driving. All have been honest about it so far, and maybe I have been lucky in that department as well because only one did, and it was up to me if that limitation was OK with me, and in that case it was because I was in the mood for a few healthy long sucks.

There is little a SW can "refuse" to do that I care about one way or the other. All of them suck and fuck (at least I have never run into any of them that don't). I don't give a shit if I cum on their face or their tits or whatever, and a CBJ is no big deal even though I prefer BB. Hell, it even allows me to last longer, and since I am relaxing indoors, who cares how long it takes? All I care about is a SW who is really into it, and excites me mentally as well as physically, and that I bust a few hard nuts. If no money has exchanged hands it is in her best interests to perform well in both departments for a satisfactory surprise for her at the end, which she receives if she does.

PS: Please notice that I never once said I pay money for pussy. Why? Because I don’t pay for pussy - that’s against the law.

Me neither, Cooky. I am a law abiding citizen.

...you (Cooky) don't need to pay. The free advertising you and Super provide these girls, both of you should be getting all the free pussy you can eat.

Hear, HEAR! They should be paying US!

Supereloquent

10-09-09, 19:45

Maybe its because cooky and super make it sound like a cakewalk but three forays and I've have to say It's Not. Any input on these issues would be appreciated:

1) Can't tell the pros from civilians. Just when you think you've found a SW, you see she is with a guy or, in my case once, a baby carriage. Believe me guys, the pics help but from a distance. I mean how do you tell?

2) What is the stroll? I've been just driving up underneath the "L" train and eventually it becomes Kensington, but on my best day I saw four 'maybe"s. Am I just off on the geography? Its not like I can put this into my gps.

3) Is there an ettiquitte? I mean when I've seen what looked like a group of three SW talking, I just froze wondering how I might interrupt. A few times even when I thought 'probably' the SW was at a phone or seemed occupied. I'm guessing 'excuse me.' isn't the best approach.

I hope this doesn't sound like a total Gomer but this is daunting!

This is a subject that has been covered many times in this forum with many excellent suggestions, so I won't belabor them all here. I suggest you read the forum very carefully and look for words such as "spotting" or "pick up" or "finding."

However, I don't believe either Cooky or I ever made this process sound like a "cakewalk." If you expect to drive a few times up and down the K and find dozens of prime SWs clearly identifiable, and ready to jump into your car then you will be sadly disappointed. You have to be patient, hard working and lucky.

BadBoy gave you some good advice in response to your questions, but a few things I have said before are worth re-emphasizing for novices:

1) Telling civilians from SWs: If you really want to be safe then stick to known SW pick-up corners and strolls: 1. All the corners north from Westmoreland to Erie; SWs will often be also walking between these corners or back on Jasper north of Venango. 2. The Cambria corner and near the Woodshed 3. The Huntingdon Station and the few blocks south of it, especially Letterly back to Jasper. There are obviously other corners and areas along the K where one can find a few SWs, but, in my experience, 80-90% of them can be found where I designated. At least this is my daytime experience. Other mongers may have a different experience to share for after dark.

If you see a girl and want to make sure she is a SW then look for the following: she will be looking into cars, meeting your gaze, smiling, sometimes even waving or gesturing; civilians just don't do that. If she is just walking up the street and you aren't sure, you can drive just ahead and motion for her to follow you as you turn; if she doesn't she either is a civilian or a SW who just isn't interested for whatever reason. Another technique I sometimes use is to drive ahead a block or so, pull in, get out and start walking back towards her, say hello, and ask her if she is looking for a ride. If she is, there is an extremely high likelihood she is a SW, and I tell her I am pulling around the corner and to follow me there to get in; I NEVER pick up or let off a SW on the K; I feel it is just too much risk of being spotted by LE and hassled).

2) The K stroll? That's an easy one: From Erie and Kensington in the north and south to where Kensington intersects with Front Street. Occasionally this includes Jasper as I have noted above.

3) Etiquette? If I see 3 suspected SWs jabbering away to one another (which would be a rarity; most SWs work solo), I pull over or around the corner within sight. If they really are SWs the most aggressive one will soon be over to your window. If you want one of the others, it is an easy matter to tell her. This approach is true for any suspected SW. If she is working she will be on the lookout for cars pulling over nearby. If she looks in your direction, give a wave or gesture, and, if she is a SW, she will bee-line it to your car.

Fbtom

10-10-09, 01:54

If you see a girl and want to make sure she is a SW then look for the following: she will be looking into cars, meeting your gaze, smiling, sometimes even waving or gesturing; civilians just don't do that.I was on the way to the K today. About 10: 30A. M. Heading south-east on Bridge St., approaching Oxford Ave. Seeing a patrol car checking out a blonde 30's WSW in the opposing corner distracted me to where I nearly ran over a beautiful BSW walking north on Oxford.

At first I thought she was a civi out for a morning jog, but was walking. As she walked in front of my car, she flashed her look and dazzling white smile. I was turning right, but waited to she if she looked back at me once she reached the corner.

Yep, she stopped dead in her tracks next to the mailbox. I apologized for almost hitting her. She looked right at me again, smiling and nodded her head. These were long deliberate glances. There was no traffic at that moment so I guess that we both knew what we were after at this point. She crossed Oxford, walking north on the east side of the street. Being a WM, I never have been with a BW and was not really interested. She was so attractive that I seriously regret that decision. The best that I recall, she was wearing a predominately blue jogging outfit, the top unzipped, and a snug fitting tank top. Hair was light brown and just about shoulder length, with a loose curl perm all over. She was fairly light skinned and had very small perky breasts. Tall and slender, I could see the puffy nips pushing the snug fitting tank top.
She looked a lot like Rachel True in "The Craft".

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1427741440/nm0874086

Never expected to see a SW so far north of the K in this residential area.

I got to keep my eyes and mind open for such opportunities now that I'm more aware of them!

Supereloquent

10-10-09, 10:05

Picked-up WSW on KA and Westmorland. Spoted her on KA near convenience store. It was pretty late/early 01:30 Friday. LEO was
busy stopping cars on KA so be careful. There was a lot of talent out too. Holly is 5'6" very pretty (8), thin/petite, 24yr.

Brown Hair, small breasts with a really smokin little body. Wearing really nice white sting top and navy stretch pants.

I hadn't seen Holly recently. It looks like she is strolling now in the wee hours and has changed her red hairdo to brunette.

Supereloquent

10-10-09, 14:01

I couldn’t believe my eyes when I spotted this great looking SW near Castor. She looked too good to be a SW: very clean and pretty, wearing a nice light green top, a short denim skirt and heels. I just love heels, and skirts too; they are so sexy and so few SWs wear them. She had a naughty girl next door look, with the kind of hot little body you see on an attractive gal in the mall that you just know you will never be able to have. Rather than get scooped by another monger, I risked a puzzled look from a possible civilian, and I smiled and motioned for her to meet me around the corner. I was so glad when she followed.

We had a very pleasant conversation on the way to the notel. She was as sweet and intelligent as she was pretty, and I was getting hard just watching that pretty face and killer bod in the seat next to me in her tight, short denim skirt, and thinking of all the things I was going to do to her. I knew this was going to be a long and enjoyable session, and not just a quick FS. She said she was 26, although she could have passed for much younger. She had been laid off from her job as an accounting assistant and was taking some part time courses. She said she had been doing this on CL for a while but that had become increasingly hit or miss with 50% or more run-arounds and no shows, which was wasting her time because she was traveling to see them. Plus, she had lost her driver which she also used for protection. So, while the K didn’t pay as much per date, at least each date was real and not a waste of time. She said she was wary of the K at night, and was sticking pretty much to days, and it was only taking a few minutes to get picked up (I had no doubt that was the truth; she was definitely eye candy by either SW or civilian standards).

She asked me what I wanted, and I told her I wanted to have a few hours of fun in a nice notel and to take some sexy pics. When she asked what I was going to pay for this I said 1.25, plus a nice tip if the experience was a good one. She asked what a “nice tip” might be, and I said in the vicinity of .5. She seemed satisfied with the pricing and her ability to earn her tip, and that I was a man of my word to follow through if she were really good.

When we got to the notel she sexily posed for me, dressed, undressing and nude. She had a natural posing ability, just like a model, and I didn’t have to give her any direction. The only downside is that she wasn’t into BJ pics so you will just have to use your imagination there. Sorry guys.

She could really give a great BJ: lots of head movement, wet and sloppy, and taking my cock deep, all the way to my pubes as she massaged me with her throat muscles and tongue, and looked up at me with those pretty, wide open eyes. Her perfect technique combined with the great view of that pretty face and body made me cum the first time way before I wanted to. She swallowed every drop and licked my cock clean. That made me so excited that I told her to massage my balls, and suck me, and make me hard again. Within a few minutes I was rock hard, and barely 10 minutes after that I busted another hard nut down her throat.

She had a perfect little body with luscious tits and ass and, after a well deserved rest, I had her suck me hard again before I slipped on a condom and had her mount me CG style. She didn’t just sit there; she bounced up and down on my cock for all she was worth. I could feel and hear the squishing of her tight pussy, and I watched her gorgeous little titty mounds jiggle and her hair wildly fly about, as she rode me hard. She reversed on me and I could watch her perfect ass as she rode me RCG. I slapped her ass and she said “Yesssssss….” every time that I did, and I told her to let me know when she was ready to cum. After bouncing there for a while, she said,” OMG….I…I’m cummmmming.” As soon as she said that I slid a finger up her ass and she squealed in delight, bouncing even harder on my cock. I could feel her pussy tighten and grip my cock and her ass puckered around my finger and she said, “ OMG, OMG, OMFG….shit….fuck…fuck… fuck.” And she pitched forward, slid off my cock and finger and slumped onto the bed. I hadn’t cum yet, so I slid off the rubber and jerked off right near her face, saying, “Open wide like a good girl and take this load in your mouth and on your face.” I squirted a hard hot stream partly onto her face and in her mouth, and she giggled and licked it from her lips and scooped it with her fingers and sucked them clean.

I knew I had at least one more cup left in me. This gal was so good looking and sexy that she could get me hard just smiling at me. Besides, I wanted to fuck this chickie mish and doggie for sure, which I did after about 20 minutes or so. She was so flexible I had her ankles up behind her head and pinned to the headboard as I pounded her hard and deep mish style. She was moaning and screaming and squealing for me to fuck her harder…HARDER. Shit, I couldn’t fuck any harder than I was! I flipped her over and spread her knees so wide her thighs were almost on the bed, and fucked her doggie like there was no tomorrow. I had some staying power after 3 previous cups, but that perfect looking ass and body was having me almost ready to bust another nut in short order. I actually had to slow down a bit to make it last. I slapped her ass to the rhythm of my fucking, grabbed her hair like reins and pulled her head back as I fucked and spanked her, and when I wasn’t spanking her I was sliding a finger up her ass. I finally busted another hard nut and I collapsed onto the bed, breathing hard and sweating like crazy. I thought I was surely finished, but 30 minutes later I was horny again. I just couldn’t get fucking this minx out of my head.

She was so wild that I asked her if she were into anything kinky and she said “sure.” I told her I wanted to put a ball gag on her, handcuffs and fuck her ass, and she said “no problem.” I gave her an enema just to make sure there would be no unpleasantly messy experience, and then I placed the ball gag and handcuffs on her. You get the privilege of seeing that because I took a few pics. I was rock hard anticipating this, and slipped on a rubber. I had her get on her knees facing the headboard and spread her knees as wide as she could and I pulled all her long hair back in a tuft and held her head back as I lubed her with 2 fingers, and slid my hard cock into that tight ass. She started gyrating and moaning and slobbering. Big gobs of spit were escaping from her mouth, forming bubbles like foam around the ball gag, and dripping down her chin. I found this hot to watch as I slid in and out of her ass and what a really nice looking ass it was. (You have the pics to prove it.) She was moaning for all she was worth, and wiggling her ass up and down, and back and forth, as I slammed into her deep and hard, over and over and over. I pulled back on her hair until her head was back at an angle, slapped her hard on the ass, as I almost hissed at her, “Fuck me baby doll, squeal like a good little ass piggie!” And she did squeal, as much as it was possible with that gag in her mouth. Her sounds were muffled but wet and slobbery and sexy. I hit that ass for a good 15 minutes, saying all manner of dirty, filthy things to her, and spanking both her ass cheeks until they were warm and rosie red, and she seemed to love it. I finally busted a nut so hard my whole body was shaking and shivering, and it wasn’t until then that I noticed I was drenched in sweat.

Ratings: Face: 5 stars (others may differ on beauty standards, but I think she was quite pretty even by civilian standards, and certainly by K standards); Body: 5 stars (gorgeous tits and ass; not large, but for my particular taste, PERFECT!); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Attitude: 5 stars; Overall: 5 stars; Repeatability: YES! If I could have just one SW then this would be the one. This is what one hopes for with all the research time and patience spent trolling the Ave.

Supereloquent

10-10-09, 14:03

Beautiful face, beautiful tight, flexible little body!

Supereloquent

10-10-09, 14:05

OMG! That says it all.

Supereloquent

10-10-09, 14:42

Hey- Thanks. Really! I also searched and found some of the previous posts elsewhere on the board that are less geographically specific. Im finding that movies and an HBO documentary series are NOT helpful primers.

I honestly don't know how the hell some of you balance all that goes into the hunt with keeping notes for a report let alone photographs, juggling chainsaws that is!

I would hope my previous reply to you was quite geographically explicit enough for you to find what you want on the K. For those of you who thought this was TOO specific and alerts LE? Don't be so naive as to think any LEO who patrols the Ave doesn't know all of this already. They could shut it all down in a heartbeat if they really wanted to, and it would just move, either to other spots on the Ave or somewhere else. LEOs are good people, by and large, and they usually focus on the right things, like harm to persons and property. But LEO knowledge of what is going on is a prime reason NEVER to pick up a SW on the K. I see some of you unwisely doing that: having a discussion with a SW at your car window, picking her up in plain sight, right on the Ave, or the worst of all, making a U turn on the K to make sure you get to a pretty SW before someone else does. Are you fucking crazy, or just incredibly stupid, or both? You give LE a reason to stop you, either for a moving violation and/or hassle you for picking up a SW. I don't imagine this is happening with experienced mongers. I have been doing this a long time and I have never been stopped by LE even once for any reason whatsoever, and I plan to keep it that way.

As far as "taking notes" is concerned: I don't. I have a great memory and I usually write my reports as soon as I can after my encounters. I write a lot of detail (those of you who aren't interested in that can look at one or 2 photos and glance at my "ratings," which accompany every report.) I can juggle, probably even chainsaws for the right monetary motivation. However, hunting SWs, writing reports of encounters and taking photographs are hardly in a league with juggling chainsaws.

I do want to say one thing about pic taking though. I see a lot more of you recently taking them, both street shots and encounters, and I thank you for rounding out the photographic IDs of SWs on the stroll. If everyone did that, even as little as taking a pic with a camera phone for every encounter, we would have a lot more useful intelligence on the Philly forum.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-10-09, 15:51

OMG! That says it all.
Super I have to say you've outdone yourself. That is the most amazing report I've ever read and the photo shoot, my god man you're a beast. If there were a monger hall of fame you'd sincerly have my vote. In fact I hereby nominate you for monger of the decade. GREAT FIND!!!!! Looking forward to your next mindblower.

Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Hankj1

10-10-09, 16:48

Humpty Dumpty

10-10-09, 16:53

Outstanding pics. I was thinking all SWs were disgusting in Philly from CookyJar's pics. Keep up the good work.

Billneedscoffe

10-10-09, 19:39

That was amazing!

You are truly talented in finding the hottest women around.

What are the best times and areas to spot her?

Larks Tongue

10-10-09, 19:54

OMG! That says it all.

Excellent dream/adventure. She is definitely a keeper. Great find. Well worth the time and the effort.

Permanent Wood

10-10-09, 20:20

Top notch report on a top shelf provider; wonder what she charged on craigslist for an hour?

Supereloquent, did the 1.25 + .5 tip include taking all those photos?

Cypher126

10-10-09, 22:34

That was AWESOME! She doesn't look like she needs to be walking the streets. A face and body like that should be able to find a sugar daddy. Just incredible. I don't street monger, mostly because I'm a wuss, but I would love to get some of her.

FlyGuyEddie007

10-10-09, 23:41

Nice report but I wouldn't of paid a SW that amount if I think we are on the same page by doing so you give them too much and they tell others and they try upselling all over the ave.

Cephlapod Love

10-11-09, 01:02

OMG! That says it all.

Darn dude! Her days of "hit or miss" on CL should be over after those pictures and that review - especially if you are passing out her digits by PM! That should roust up enough business and regulars that she should be done with the Stroll and CL!

Great find! Great lady! Would love to see....

CL

Member #3969

10-11-09, 12:58

Super, WOW that's definitely one of the hottest if not THE hottest sw's EVER. Damn fine job on both the report and the pics. I particularly like numbers 16,19,23 and 26 although they all look great. She has a very cute face and an AWESOME body. I'd love to play with that and along with several others in the area. I am going to have to make arrangements to return to your area.

Thanks for the report and pics and keep up the great work!!

Supereloquent

10-11-09, 13:03

Long time lurker, and I do mean long. I have been a CookyJar fan for a long time, and check out your postings in Philly all the time. This by far, is the best the I have ever seen. Is this a SW or an escort? Keep up the good work.

Hankj1

I have long contended that some of the SWs available on the K are every bit the quality of escorts. In fact, several of them have been escorts once upon a time, and/or currently, such as Holly, Selena, Nikki/KC, Genevieve/Jessica, Tanya and now Justine. Several others are fresh young things from the burbs (Janine, Natalie, Kitty, Melanie, Strawberry, Jerri) and not the usual drug addicted hos for which the K has become famous (infamous?). Even some of the regulars on the Ave, who likely are on something or other, are either good looking enough and/or skillful enough to be equal IMHO to any escort one might hire, and such includes Mandy, Cheryl, Nelly, Carol, Tina (Old York), Blond Sarah, Redheaded Sarah, Jaime, Torresdale Cheryl, Torresdale Jessica, Michelle, Cara/Paris, Redheaded Nicole, Stephanie, Rachel and Niki. This is not to even mention numerous others who may not be the best looking, but have outstanding talents sucking and/or fucking. And all of these are just the SWs I have personally sampled. There are many, many more.

Supereloquent

10-11-09, 13:20

Nice report but I wouldn't of paid a SW that amount if I think we are on the same page by doing so you give them too much and they tell others and they try upselling all over the ave.

I spent 3 hours with this girl, took a bunch of sexy pics and busted 5 incredibly excellent nuts, including a really wild one fucking her ass as she wore a ball gag and handcuffs. She was absolutely gorgeous, really into it and totally excited me to no end. If you think that 1.75 was too much for all of that then you should have a talk with the patrons of CL who likely don't get even NEAR that quality of girl or that quality of experience for less than $$$ for one hour and one nut (maybe 2, if they are REALLY lucky)!

The going rate for FS on the Ave is .5. That would be for a normal, everyday, routine, nothing special 15-30 minute suck and hump with an average looking, average skilled SW. I got 5 times that over a 3 hour period with one of the best looking SWs, with one of the best skill sets and attitude one could possibly imagine. If anything, I think I got a great bargain, and if my monetary reward of her keeps her happy as a loyal and willing provider to ME, then it was money well spent.

Supereloquent

10-11-09, 13:30

Top notch report on a top shelf provider; wonder what she charged on craigslist for an hour?

Supereloquent, did the 1.25 + .5 tip include taking all those photos?Yes, it was an all inclusive price, which FlyGuyEddie007 thought was "too much" and would encourage other SWs to start "upselling."

My contention is that I got a bargain, and that a SW can't "upsell" what she doesn't have. It's not like just any SW can command any price she wants or that all SWs are "equal" or interchangeable. To paraphrase the last line from Animal Farm: some SWs are more equal than others.

Larks Tongue

10-11-09, 14:17

I spent 3 hours with this girl, took a bunch of sexy pics and busted 5 incredibly excellent nuts, including a really wild one fucking her ass as she wore a ball gag and handcuffs. She was absolutely gorgeous, really into it and totally excited me to no end. If you think that 1.75 was too much for all of that then you should have a talk with the patrons of CL who likely don't get even NEAR that quality of girl or that quality of experience for less than $$$ for one hour and one nut (maybe 2, if they are REALLY lucky)!

The going rate for FS on the Ave is .5. That would be for a normal, everyday, routine, nothing special 15-30 minute suck and hump with an average looking, average skilled SW. I got 5 times that over a 3 hour period with one of the best looking SWs, with one of the best skill sets and attitude one could possibly imagine. If anything, I think I got a great bargain, and if my monetary reward of her keeps her happy as a loyal and willing provider to ME, then it was money well spent.You are most correct with everything that you stated. Most AMP's are $.5 for 1hr and one shot. Most CL/BP girls are $.5/$$ for an hour. You got 3hrs and 5 SOG. You got a bargain and a great experience that will be hard to top.

Member #3969

10-11-09, 15:44

Super, you're right and everyone knows it. Don't waste your time defending yourself to some CHEAP idiot. Just ignore them and keep doing your own thing. Some of these guys want an A-list hollywood starlet or pornstar to do them AND to either do it very cheaply. Heck, some of them would expect to get paid for it themselves so again ignore the idiots and don't waste your time.

I spent 3 hours with this girl, took a bunch of sexy pics and busted 5 incredibly excellent nuts, including a really wild one fucking her ass as she wore a ball gag and handcuffs. She was absolutely gorgeous, really into it and totally excited me to no end. If you think that 1.75 was too much for all of that then you should have a talk with the patrons of CL who likely don't get even NEAR that quality of girl or that quality of experience for less than $$$ for one hour and one nut (maybe 2, if they are REALLY lucky)!

The going rate for FS on the Ave is .5. That would be for a normal, everyday, routine, nothing special 15-30 minute suck and hump with an average looking, average skilled SW. I got 5 times that over a 3 hour period with one of the best looking SWs, with one of the best skill sets and attitude one could possibly imagine. If anything, I think I got a great bargain, and if my monetary reward of her keeps her happy as a loyal and willing provider to ME, then it was money well spent.

Guy2073

10-11-09, 16:07

Damn, I am from the other side of the state.

I will trade you our stanley cup for her any day of the week.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-11-09, 17:11

Yes, it was an all inclusive price, which FlyGuyEddie007 thought was "too much" and would encourage other SWs to start "upselling."

My contention is that I got a bargain, and that a SW can't "upsell" what she doesn't have. It's not like just any SW can command any price she wants or that all SWs are "equal" or interchangeable. To paraphrase the last line from Animal Farm: some SWs are more equal than others.
You're absolutely correct Super, a SW can't upsell what she doesn't have, SWs are always gonna try to get as much as they can for their services. The "going rate" is not now or has it ever been written in stone, it's just a standard of comparison. There's no way in hell I'd pay 1.75 for your average SW, that would be outrageous, however this girl is not your average SW. She's the Mercedes of SWs and your not gonna pay average price for a Mercedes.

"Four legs good, two legs better"
BadBoy

Spa Man 1

10-11-09, 19:46

OMG! That says it all.I would love to do this babe every which way.

Lets see some shots of her in action next time.

And give that beautiful ass a little kiss from me.

Member #5237

10-11-09, 20:39

Wow...........what a catch. Great body, beautiful, and apparently willing to go the extra mile for customer service.

FlyGuyEddie007

10-11-09, 22:05

I didn't know it was 3 hours.

JerryGarcia

10-11-09, 23:54

A 3 hour session with a true quality provider would run at least $$$ to $$$$$---plus definite extra for anal. There are a handful of CL or BP girls who would even do an hour for under $$---and people have to remember, what you paid technically was $.25--you elected to tip for excellence. If you got 5 cups and anal from a first class provider, you would likely tip way above the asking price.

All the girls working the K know what the going rates are--and you will almost never find a girl who would even spend a hour with a monger--because they can't wait to get high so badly or they want to get back and make more money.

It is obvious this girl was special--you are not "spoiling" it for anybody by taking care of this girl. If anything, you are ensuring that she remains a DITR (Diamond in the Rough).

Nice work, great pics and great write-up.

Supereloquent

10-12-09, 11:37

I agree that you don't want to be giving an officer any reason to pursue action against you. They might not get you for being a john, but drug stuff they will pursue!

Absolutely! The key words are "might not." LE can pretty much hassle you for whatever reason they might choose. My CYA for that is to avoid the K ENTIRELY for SW pickups or deliveries. I pick up down the block, making sure there is NO LE in sight when I do, and I get as far away from the K as possible before talking money, if in fact money even comes up.

I ask the sw immediately if they have any illegal items with them as soon as they get to the car. Since she is still outside of the car, I can refuse to go any further easier if they say yes. I'll say, "Sorry, no illegal items in my car, so can't offer you a ride".

Unfortunately, SWs lie. SWs with drugs or drug paraphernalia will most likely not admit it if they are asked. They want to make some money, and they have a motivation to get high again. Most will not screw that up by telling you the truth about carrying drugs. But definitely don't let the idiots fire up while you are driving; you might as well post a sign that says, "Stop me LE; I have a stupid passenger, and I am even MORE stupid!" Of course, you have a choice at that point, knowing that they are carrying, to just drop them off and avoid the risk altogether.

You can say "Officer, I don't pay for sex acts, where would you like to be dropped of at?". If she is a working girl or a leo still trying, she may reply "Honey, I'm not a leo, what would you like to do?". At this point, if she is leo, she lied, and that combined with a leo check where exposure and contact occurs would make her case very weak. If she doesn't comply with this check, such as pushing your hand away or saying something coy as "I'll show you once we set the price(or get to the room)". I'll repeat ""Officer, I don't pay for sex acts, where would you like to be dropped of at?".

Assuming you do all that and assuming the LEO decoy doesn't lie when your case comes to court (BIG assumptions), then you MIGHT get away with an entrapment beef ONCE. But the law has changed, bolstered by several Supreme Court cases. Law enforcement decoys are ALLOWED to lie, touch you, have you touch them, whatever, to give you the opportunity to commit a crime. The "touchy feely exchange" many mongers (and SWs) think protects them, DOESN'T! You might read something I posted in the Special Interests sub-forum under: Police Tactics and Legal Issues, and a very intelligent reply to my post by Irish Male2 (an attorney) on the subject of entrapment: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=813574&postcount=119

If you have already been arrested for solicitation in the past, it will be difficult at best to mount an entrapment defense: that you are a person who was not ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment when the opportunity was afforded, and that the decoy did no more than offer an opportunity. If you have already been arrested for this, what chance do you have to show that you are not the kind of person who is ready, willing and able to commit the crime? The point is that even if the decoy offers a price and an act and you say, "yes," then you have broken the law, unless you can demonstrate a reasonable doubt that you had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of the decoy.

You should also know that if you do get pulled over, refuse car searches by saying "I do not submit to being searched without a warrant". Do not leave the car without closing windows and locking it. Leave all items in trunk. For example, your boxed lunch leftovers or even your box of condoms. Anything where they may want to see what is inside. Don't make it easy for them! Know your rights! Even if you don't have anything to hide, don't submit!

Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty. Don't give them anything to use against you! Even if they try to say, we know your out for someone for services. Don't think, "damn, I'm caught" and say anything they want to hear. Once you admit anything, they will pursue you. You can simply reply to all questions saying "I respectfully decline to answer that question. Am I under arrest or am I free to go now?" Your not even required to tell them where you are going or why you are there.

You can assert whatever "rights" you think you might have, but I wouldn't suggest playing tough guy with a LEO. There are quite a number of legitimate reasons for probable cause to search your vehicle and they include: FLIGHT (obviously); FURTIVE MOVEMENTS (like bending over in your car as if you were hiding or getting something, or even being on your cell phone) ; OBSERVATION OF REAL EVIDENCE; ADMITTED OWNERSHIP ("accidentally" emptying the contents of a purse or pockets); FALSE OR IMPROBABLE ANSWERS; PRESENCE AT A CRIME SCENE or IN A HIGH-CRIME AREA (I think the K "qualifies"); ASSOCIATION WITH KNOWN CRIMINALS (like a known SW/drug abuser?); PAST CRIMINAL CONDUCT (is your record squeaky clean?); FAILURE TO PROTEST (LE has it both ways: if you are too resistant, then they have a reason to suspect you may be hiding something and if you are too compliant, you also could be suspected as a person with something to hide; you can't win!).

You can choose to be somewhat revealing if they are somewhat friendly about the stop. Do at your own risk though! Such as "I'm just going to the woodshed" or "to get lunch at xxxx". Even if they ask why you picked up someone. This isn't against the law. Just reply "I just offered her a ride, am I under arrest or am I free to go now?". Even if they are cordial, be cautious, they are out to get you to admit to something.

I agree. Be cordial, but admit to NOTHING. You are just there to grab some lunch, and you were kind enough to give this poor girl a ride.

At 2 AM you might find it more difficult to give a legitimate sounding explanation of what you are doing there. I suppose that looking for a 24 hour ATM or food/beverage spot (like the 7-11) is as good an excuse as any.

What would strongly help your case is if you have a recording device in plain sight of the passenger. If she is a leo, she will know that your not an easy target. If she is a SW, she probably wouldn't care about the device, just make sure she doesn't steal it. In addition, you can say "Your skin is so smooth, do you like that" as you do the exposure/contact check. If she responds to your question, she won't be able to deny the contact. Since the tape would not actually show this action. If she is a leo, she will know that this is being recorded and would have no case. If you get pulled over, the leo will also know your recording the stop. This is not against the law either. If asked about the device, simply say, "I'm recording this conversation for future reference".

Recording every SW conversation is a great idea to deter decoys but it would be one big pain in the ass to do every time, and it would certainly freak out most SWs, who would suspect that you are LE looking to sting them on tape! It is just easier to have every SW get in your vehicle and not discuss money after you have driven for a while and checked thoroughly that there is no tail (like making several turns). A decoy is not likely to get in your vehicle in the first place, and checking to make sure there is no tail is just extra insurance.

Another point, car dates and alleys. I was told that if caught being exposed in public, you can be placed on a sexual predator list. I recommend that you get in a private situation. Just be careful of where you go! I went to two different girls rooms. I did not feel comfortable in either one. I'd rather pay for a local room of my choice from now on. A place where I'm in control of my surroundings.

Be smart and be safe!

My position is pretty clear on this. I hate car dates, not just because of the legal "exposure" risk, but also because it is a stressful and uncomfortable way to bust a nut while constantly checking for LE, passers-by and neighbors. I would sooner pay an extra Ham for both of us to relax nude and in comfort in a place of my choosing (and be in a venue where I can take pics), even if it is just to squirt a few BBBJCIMs. Better yet, take a nicer find to a clean notel for a few hours and have her suck your cock like a Hoover and fuck her brains out for as long and for as many cups as you can manage.

Supereloquent

10-12-09, 18:32

This discussion was started in the Streetwalker Reports thread but I moved a continuation of it here to my thread so as to not clog up the SW thread, which more properly is for reports on SWs.

I got an email from a girl who works on the Ave, who knows me, has dated me, and prefers to remain anonymous, which I will respect. I respect even more that she chose to write to me about this subject and offer her advice. What I found quite intriguing is that she said she reads this site every day and finds it very "interesting" and sometimes even "amusing". She never says anything, because she looks at this site as more for us guys than for the girls ( I would beg to disagree; I think the more enlightened members here would love to have some intelligent perspectives from the girls on the Ave). She had something to contribute on this whole subject of how to avoid arrest for solicitation. She has been arrested a few times, and she said all that "touchy stuff" doesn't work and is no protection whatsoever. Every time she was busted she touched the cop and he touched her. Some advice she said she got from a cop was to ask, "Are you part of any kind of undercover prostitution investigation?" Supposedly that question can keep one out of trouble. If they lie and say "no" and then arrest you, then you have a strong case in court for entrapment. While I have no reason to doubt that she was given this advice from a helpful and reliable source, I still know that an undercover is permitted to lie, and no matter what questions you pose, accepting an offer of sex for a price is against the law. The best defense is simply to always drive with the SW for a good distance, and make certain you are not being followed before any business discussion takes place.

Supereloquent

10-12-09, 18:42

I understand on excellent authority that a SW named "Candy" who sometimes goes by "Dee," recently stabbed an undercover cop. If she is crazy enough to do that, she is a serious danger to all mongers, and you should have your radar up for that one. We don't need to become heroes or junior LE here, but a word to the wise should be sufficient. From what I understand, Candy/Dee is blond, big tits, and older, maybe late 30s to early 40s. There is another younger "Dee" who hangs near Huntingdon, who is harmless, not to be confused with the psycho "Dee".

Ssssbadboyssss

10-12-09, 19:12

......... Every time she was busted she touched the cop and he touched her. Some advice she said she got from a cop was to ask, "Are you part of any kind of undercover prostitution investigation?" Supposedly that question can keep one out of trouble. If they lie and say "no" and then arrest you, then you have a strong case in court for entrapment. While I have no reason to doubt that she was given this advice from a helpful and reliable source, I still know that an undercover is permitted to lie, and no matter what questions you pose, accepting an offer of sex for a price is against the law. The best defense is simply to always drive with the SW for a good distance, and make certain you are not being followed before any business discussion takes place.
I agree Super, the ULEO isn't going to get into the car, I've never heard of it happening. They are coming from the standpoint of their own safety being paramount. The ULEO is not going to risk her ass for a crime that's not even felonious in nature. Some jurisdictions won't even pursue if they direct you to the arrest spot and you go the other way, like I said not worth risking the public safety for a misdemenor, nuisence crime.

Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Fbtom

10-12-09, 21:13

Supereloquent,

Thanks for the break down response to my post setting me straight. Excellent post, thanks also for the link, I learned a lot! For example, I previously didn't know that leo were permitted to engage in that manner legally. So what is the point of the commonly mentioned exposure/contact leo check then? Is there a better way to go about it?

I didn't consider the "tail" potential either. Since I zig zag, and back track often due to getting lost easily, any leo following might die laughing at my frequent nonsense turns.

I will kick out a sw immediately if I found out they have anything on them! I don't want to be a 2nd class citizen! I have no tolerance for drugs due to the legal ramifications of getting caught in the presence of them.

My record is squeaky clean, and I'd like to keep it that way. I don't go down to the K area after 7:00P.M. So the 2:00a.m. scenario wouldn't be an issue for me, but you do make a good point with it.

My pick ups have been on side streets, I will never do this on K or Frankford.

I do have a specific question...

How is being on the cell phone a FURTIVE MOVEMENT? Hell, just about everyone has a cell phone now. Look at how many are using them while your down at the K.

Supereloquent

10-12-09, 22:15

Supereloquent,

Thanks for the break down response to my post setting me straight. Excellent post, thanks also for the link, I learned a lot! For example, I previously didn't know that leo were permitted to engage in that manner legally.

I am glad you found my post and link to be helpful.

So what is the point of the commonly mentioned exposure/contact leo check then? Is there a better way to go about it?

The LE check is pointless, they can let you touch them and they can touch you. The LE check is nothing more than an urban legend. Truth is most likely the ULEO isn't going to actually get in the car with you. The LEO's M.O. is to negotiate thru the window, then tell you to pick her up aroung the corner. Guess who's waiting there. You're best bet is to offer the girl a ride then make a B line outta dodge. Never negotiate thru the window and never discuss sex or money until you're out of the area and certain you weren't followed.

Absolutely on point BadBoy! Don't bother with the touchy stuff. If it makes the SW feel better that you are not LE, then fine, get a free feel of her boobs and snatch, hell, make her show you them too as you drive, but it means nothing in terms of protecting you if she is a decoy. If she got in your car and is driving away with you, that's the only way to "go about" the LEO check, because virtually no ULE is getting into your vehicle, but I always check for a tail just to be 100% dead certain.

I do have a specific question...

How is being on the cell phone a FURTIVE MOVEMENT? Hell, just about everyone has a cell phone now. Look at how many are using them while your down at the K.

The furtive moment PC. The Police on the K have pretty much thrown the rule book out of the window. If think they've got something on you, they will stop you, they will search you, and they'll figure out a reason if they get something on you. If they have nothing they'll let you go figuring that you'll let it live as a no harm, no foul. It works for them because a lot of the citizens they come into contact with consider themselves lucky if they're harassed then set free.

The "furtive movement" or cell phone ploy is the least of your worries. If you read my entire list of legitimate reasons to have probable cause to search your vehicle, just being in a high crime area is one of them! The key is not to be stopped in the first place. Drive on the K like a little old grandmother. Don't be in a hurry to rush those yellow lights. Make sure all the lights on your vehicle work, and don't have as much as a crack in them (and that goes for all your mirrors and windshields). Have your inspection and registration and insurance and all paperwork up to date, not to mention a current license! Don't pick up any SWs right on the K! And don't make any completely boneheaded moves like doing a U-turn in the middle of the Ave to get to a hottie before someone else can!

Stizz

10-14-09, 00:37

Nice find Super. From 90 miles south. If I knew I'd get to spend a few hours with that, it'd be worth the trip. By far the best SW I've ever seen posted on here. Keep up the good work.

Supereloquent

10-14-09, 12:58

I have dated Angie (used to go by "Angel") several times before. In the past she has usually been very dope sick, and almost comatose, but always did a great BBBJCIMSW when she really got down to it.

I had seen her sitting on the blue cement stoop near Westmoreland a number of times in my past several strolls up and down the K, with a hoodie on and the hood pulled up over her head like she was cold. That area is shaded and I guess one could make a case for it being a little colder than being in the sun, but I think her being very thin has something to do with it as well.

When I dated her this past winter she was REALLY skinny, probably down to 85 pounds. She looks much healthier, heavier (although still very thin), and she actually had some cleavage showing where her hoodie was zippered down. Her face looked much brighter and healthier, and she seemed much more alert and animated than I have ever seen her.

I don't usually go for car dates, especially during the day, and I haven't gone for one in a very long time, but I was just feeling like one yesterday (Tuesday) for a nice long suck. I knew Angie would suck me skillfully like a Hoover until I popped, not complain or ask me if I "was ready to cum yet," or any such negative thing. She would take the usual Jack in payment, suck me off well, let me bust a nut in her mouth, and swallow every drop. And that's just the way it happened.

Angie was not quite the A+ BJ she was when half asleep in the past. Maybe being in a stupor with dope had numbed her to the point where she could swallow me whole for minutes at a time. This time she kept gagging on me as she took me DT. It was actually kind of hot, and I allowed her to get her breath and rest when she started to gag, because I was not exactly up for her puking all over me or my car seats. She sucked me for a good 30 minutes. It wasn't that I took that long to cum. We had to endure the usual interruptions of a car date: even though we were parked on a very deserted one-way street, there was an occasional pedestrian, and finally a couple making out on nearby steps ahead of us. I watched them as she got me to the final stages of excitement and I blew a hot load into her mouth.

Angie is pleasant enough, but not the kind of SW I would take to a notel for an long date, or even for FS. I like thin SWs and spinners but she is just a little too scrawny for my extended date preference, even with her increased weight.

The ratings? Face: 2 1/2 stars (Angie is not ugly but certainly not what one might call cute or pretty); Body: 2 1/2 stars (the addition of weight makes her more appealing than 85 pounds did in the past, but she still needs a healthy 10 or 15 pounds to even be a good spinner fuck; her tits are a little better than I have seen them before, but her ass is just way too scrawny IMHO); BJ: 3 1/2 stars (she is capable of a 5 star BJ and has given me such in the past, but she wasn't up to that excellence on this occasion); Fucking: N/A; Attitude: 5 stars (always pleasant; always easy to negotiate with); Overall: 3 stars. Damages? A Jack; Repeatability? Yes, especially for a nice unhurried car date for a BJ at a reasonable price.

I have enclosed an old (2007) photo so you can see what she looks like. I wanted to take some pics, but Angie has suddenly become quite photo shy. She wouldn't even let me take a g-rated face shot.

Supereloquent

10-14-09, 15:59

Nice find Super. From 90 miles south. If I knew I'd get to spend a few hours with that, it'd be worth the trip. By far the best SW I've ever seen posted on here. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the props.

I am a monger who likes almost everything on the menu. Sometimes I just want to munch on some junk food and bust a nut or two. Other times I am up for a 7 course meal with the finest wines, and have a 3 hour, multiple cup, mind blowing FS session with a goddess. Justine is DEFINITELY in the latter category and worth savoring completely, like a lavish and expensive meal.

Supereloquent

10-15-09, 10:58

Hey Badboy,

Thanks for the response. I was thinking like you described. I was second guessing that thought with her comment. That maybe I was missing some protocol. I'd give the room cost as the tip if they had a safe, clean local room to use.

So far I've had four dates, each time they complained about tip. If I wanted to hear complaints, I'd stay home with the girlfriend!

If you want to avoid complaints, then SWs may not be your desired hobby. Many tend to be a bitchy, especially those itching to get high after they extract a fee from you. Your armor has to be pretty thick in that regard. But the only "protocol" regarding payment or tipping is the one you set for yourself.

I usually tip generously if the service is outstanding. However, for an average date, an average fee is sufficient. I have never been pressed for a bigger tip when I offer one, but if a SW who delivers average service asks for one I simply ask, "Don't you think what I paid you was fair?" The response I usually apologetically get is something like this: "You can't blame a girl for trying." I find that if you confront them in a nice way, they back down in a nice way, and there are no hard feelings for either party. You have to be firm but pleasant regarding tipping, just as you should be with negotiating a fee up front. If you find that interchange uncomfortable, you might find mongering full of discomfort because it is part of the game. I love the process of "negotiation" myself and I believe I am very good at it, and in reading what SWs will find acceptable that is also acceptable to me, without detracting from her good attitude and motivation to do a good job. But negotiation is not everyone's cup of tea, either before or after the deed.

Supereloquent

10-15-09, 11:14

I stopped in the Wawa on Castor Ave, near E Wyoming Ave. Got a drink and tried to call a previous pick up to no avail.
I then see a white dirty blond girl, maybe 20-25yrs old, hair pulled tight into a pony tail, about 5'6", 130lbs. Had multiple piercings on ears. I'd say a b-cup breast size, wearing a tight fitting light blue cotton tank top and cotton twill cargo pants walking into wawa. By sight, see looks like a sw.
So I wait for her to come out, somehow I missed her walking in front of my car, so I couldn't get a face look. She proceeds towards a red dodge pickup truck with a jersey plate. My first thought was, "damn, someone got lucky with this sw". Instead of going into the passenger side, she is driving this truck.

Do any SW drive to the area to work it? Or did I just come across a slutty looking civi? Maybe an escort on the way to an outcall? I was pretty damn tempted to approach her while she was sitting in her truck, but what would I have said? Maybe, "Excuse me, do you want to go on a date? I'll pay you for your time"? LOL

Castor and Wyoming is pretty far off the regular stroll area. You can't be assuming that every trashy looking civi is a SW even on the K, let alone 10 blocks away.

Fbtom

10-15-09, 11:29

Castor and Wyoming is pretty far off the regular stroll area. You can't be assuming that every trashy looking civi is a SW even on the K, let alone 10 blocks away.

I agree that it was probably a long shot.
After my experience below, I'm trying to keep my eyes open!
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=878889&postcount=2240

The question is still open, are the sw we see only locals or do some travel into the K area via car? The girl Donna just got of the el when I spotted her. She comes in from the NE philly area.

Supereloquent

10-17-09, 12:06

Some of you may know her as Gianna, the name she uses when she dances. She has also occasionally gone by Jamie, but she signed the register at the Carlyle this time as Jamie Lynn.

I immediately recognized Jamie Lynn walking south from the vicinity of Martin’s. I had dated her previously quite a while ago and had some very nice experiences with her. She said she had cleaned up (drug wise) for about 9 months, and even had an apartment with a girlfriend in the burbs, but she has recently slid back to being a doper again and homeless, and just talking about it was making her depressed and disgusted with herself, so we didn’t stay on that subject long.

Jamie is 25 and has a pretty face and a tight, beautiful spinner body. She says she has been dancing since she was 16 and still does from time to time. Unfortunately some asshole recently stole her purse and cell phone and busted her lip when she tried to fight him off.

We went to the 10 spot house but there was a LE raid in progress, so be very careful at that place fellow mongers. Jamie Lynn wanted to go anyway, seeming oblivious to what was going on, so I knew she wasn’t 100% lucid and paying attention. We went to the Carlyle instead.

Jamie’s clothes were dirty, obviously a result of homeless living, but she went into the bathroom to wash up thoroughly with a washcloth. She smelled fresh and clean, even her coochie, and she even put on some nice smelling body spray. She was cool with pics, and I got a few shots of her attractive nude body, and a few of her sucking my cock, but after these she really got anxious and wanted to get “down to business.” This is not like her, but I could tell she was really on edge for a fix. She had that 100 yard stare in her eyes and she couldn’t stay still. Next time I will make sure she has taken the edge off before we date because she really is a great suck and fuck, and I want to get a lot more pics of her.

Even agitated for a fix, Jamie does a great job sucking cock. She sucked me rock hard. It isn’t quite a DT but she is excellent at it, moving her head from the tip to as far as she can go down with great action, slobbery wetness, and a feeling of being sucked hard like a vacuum cleaner. I almost popped from the great BBBJ (I remembered that she doesn’t CIM, but no biggie), but I wanted to fuck this spinner silly. She is very tight, but when you really get up inside her she loves it and squirms and moans like a wild woman. As I was fucking her mish I told her she was my little cum piggie and she giggled and said, “OMG, that’s cute!” She is flexible and I could bend her legs back to the bed and spread her wide as I pumped her hard and fast. I blasted a hot load and my whole body was shivering and I slid off her and onto the bed.

She started to get dressed, clearly anxious to head for her supplier, but I said I would be ready for round 2 in a few minutes. She wrinkled up her nose as if to indicate that wasn’t what she understood to be the deal, but I said I would give her .75 total and that seemed to be OK. She said she could get high and buy some new clothes. This time I took her doggie and what a view! She has a perfectly formed ass and she wiggled it at me teasingly and spread her knees wide on the bed as I prepared to enter her. I thought mish was fun with her but this morsel was just made to do doggie. I grabbed both ass cheeks and slammed them onto my cock as I drilled her puss from behind, grabbing her by the hair and pulling her head back and slapping her ass. I had a wild 20 minute romp before busting a second very hard nut. I was sweating and out of breath, but felt SO fucking good.

Jamie is the kind of girl you want to take to a nice notel for a long and fun date. But today I didn’t have the time for that and she was obviously a bit edgy and in need of a fix, very unlike her usual sweet and pleasant personality. Jamie is the kind of girl you could trust to fund a high up-front so that the date would be more fun. One date I had with her, I thought I had lost my cell phone, and I was frantically looking for it in my car. She was visibly upset for me and, even though the date was over, she offered to use a nearby pay phone to call my cell so I could locate it in my car when it rang. It must have slid on the floor and to the door, and when she got out it must have dropped to the street, because when she called from the pay phone I could hear it ringing at the curb. She started crying when she came back to the car, because she was thinking that I thought she was trying to steal it. That hadn’t occurred to me even for a second, but it just shows you how sweet and sincere she can be. It was not an act. This girl is one you want to help out. It is a shame she is on dope again. But such is the reality on the K.

Ratings: Face: 5 stars (overlooking the busted lip; she is quite pretty); Body: 5 stars (perfect spinner; the most gorgeous and firm little tits and nipples; ideal shape; flat stomach; scrumptious ass); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Attitude: 3 stars (I account for this by the fact that she was focused on getting high; usually she has a 5 star attitude); Overall: 4 stars (if it could have been a bit more relaxed and not so “drug anticipation tense,” she can definitely be a 5 star date all the way around); Repeatability?: Yes,( but next time I want to make sure she isn’t so anxious for a high, and I definitely want to get a LOT more pics)

Member #3969

10-17-09, 14:36

Super, once again you score! If it's possible and you do play with Jamie again can I please request a couple of ass shots? She does seem like she has a fine one. There's not enough fine blond spinners around here (or most places for that matter) and I'll have to live vicariously through your eyes for awhile. Thanks for the hot pics and keep up the great work!

Some of you may know her as Gianna, the name she uses when she dances. She has also occasionally gone by Jamie, but she signed the register at the Carlyle this time as Jamie Lynn.

I immediately recognized Jamie Lynn walking south from the vicinity of Martin’s. I had dated her previously quite a while ago and had some very nice experiences with her. She said she had cleaned up (drug wise) for about 9 months, and even had an apartment with a girlfriend in the burbs, but she has recently slid back to being a doper again and homeless, and just talking about it was making her depressed and disgusted with herself, so we didn’t stay on that subject long.

Jamie is 25 and has a pretty face and a tight, beautiful spinner body. She says she has been dancing since she was 16 and still does from time to time. Unfortunately some asshole recently stole her purse and cell phone and busted her lip when she tried to fight him off.

We went to the 10 spot house but there was a LE raid in progress, so be very careful at that place fellow mongers. Jamie Lynn wanted to go anyway, seeming oblivious to what was going on, so I knew she wasn’t 100% lucid and paying attention. We went to the Carlyle instead.

Jamie’s clothes were dirty, obviously a result of homeless living, but she went into the bathroom to wash up thoroughly with a washcloth. She smelled fresh and clean, even her coochie, and she even put on some nice smelling body spray. She was cool with pics, and I got a few shots of her attractive nude body, and a few of her sucking my cock, but after these she really got anxious and wanted to get “down to business.” This is not like her, but I could tell she was really on edge for a fix. She had that 100 yard stare in her eyes and she couldn’t stay still. Next time I will make sure she has taken the edge off before we date because she really is a great suck and fuck, and I want to get a lot more pics of her.

Even agitated for a fix, Jamie does a great job sucking cock. She sucked me rock hard. It isn’t quite a DT but she is excellent at it, moving her head from the tip to as far as she can go down with great action, slobbery wetness, and a feeling of being sucked hard like a vacuum cleaner. I almost popped from the great BBBJ (I remembered that she doesn’t CIM, but no biggie), but I wanted to fuck this spinner silly. She is very tight, but when you really get up inside her she loves it and squirms and moans like a wild woman. As I was fucking her mish I told her she was my little cum piggie and she giggled and said, “OMG, that’s cute!” She is flexible and I could bend her legs back to the bed and spread her wide as I pumped her hard and fast. I blasted a hot load and my whole body was shivering and I slid off her and onto the bed.

She started to get dressed, clearly anxious to head for her supplier, but I said I would be ready for round 2 in a few minutes. She wrinkled up her nose as if to indicate that wasn’t what she understood to be the deal, but I said I would give her .75 total and that seemed to be OK. She said she could get high and buy some new clothes. This time I took her doggie and what a view! She has a perfectly formed ass and she wiggled it at me teasingly and spread her knees wide on the bed as I prepared to enter her. I thought mish was fun with her but this morsel was just made to do doggie. I grabbed both ass cheeks and slammed them onto my cock as I drilled her puss from behind, grabbing her by the hair and pulling her head back and slapping her ass. I had a wild 20 minute romp before busting a second very hard nut. I was sweating and out of breath, but felt SO fucking good.

Jamie is the kind of girl you want to take to a nice notel for a long and fun date. But today I didn’t have the time for that and she was obviously a bit edgy and in need of a fix, very unlike her usual sweet and pleasant personality. Jamie is the kind of girl you could trust to fund a high up-front so that the date would be more fun. One date I had with her, I thought I had lost my cell phone, and I was frantically looking for it in my car. She was visibly upset for me and, even though the date was over, she offered to use a nearby pay phone to call my cell so I could locate it in my car when it rang. It must have slid on the floor and to the door, and when she got out it must have dropped to the street, because when she called from the pay phone I could hear it ringing at the curb. She started crying when she came back to the car, because she was thinking that I thought she was trying to steal it. That hadn’t occurred to me even for a second, but it just shows you how sweet and sincere she can be. It was not an act. This girl is one you want to help out. It is a shame she is on dope again. But such is the reality on the K.

Ratings: Face: 5 stars (overlooking the busted lip; she is quite pretty); Body: 5 stars (perfect spinner; the most gorgeous and firm little tits and nipples; ideal shape; flat stomach; scrumptious ass); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Attitude: 3 stars (I account for this by the fact that she was focused on getting high; usually she has a 5 star attitude); Overall: 4 stars (if it could have been a bit more relaxed and not so “drug anticipation tense,” she can definitely be a 5 star date all the way around); Repeatability?: Yes,( but next time I want to make sure she isn’t so anxious for a high, and I definitely want to get a LOT more pics)

Supereloquent

10-17-09, 15:34

Thunderbolt47

10-18-09, 01:06

Thank you Super-E!!

Doodle 029

10-20-09, 22:08

I plan on coming down to Philly to sample the goods. You guys seem to have much more fun than us uo here in New York.
How do I get in contact with Giana? Does she have a phone?

Doodle

Some of you may know her as Gianna, the name she uses when she dances. She has also occasionally gone by Jamie, but she signed the register at the Carlyle this time as Jamie Lynn.

I immediately recognized Jamie Lynn walking south from the vicinity of Martin’s. I had dated her previously quite a while ago and had some very nice experiences with her. She said she had cleaned up (drug wise) for about 9 months, and even had an apartment with a girlfriend in the burbs, but she has recently slid back to being a doper again and homeless, and just talking about it was making her depressed and disgusted with herself, so we didn’t stay on that subject long.

Jamie is 25 and has a pretty face and a tight, beautiful spinner body. She says she has been dancing since she was 16 and still does from time to time. Unfortunately some asshole recently stole her purse and cell phone and busted her lip when she tried to fight him off.

We went to the 10 spot house but there was a LE raid in progress, so be very careful at that place fellow mongers. Jamie Lynn wanted to go anyway, seeming oblivious to what was going on, so I knew she wasn’t 100% lucid and paying attention. We went to the Carlyle instead.

Jamie’s clothes were dirty, obviously a result of homeless living, but she went into the bathroom to wash up thoroughly with a washcloth. She smelled fresh and clean, even her coochie, and she even put on some nice smelling body spray. She was cool with pics, and I got a few shots of her attractive nude body, and a few of her sucking my cock, but after these she really got anxious and wanted to get “down to business.” This is not like her, but I could tell she was really on edge for a fix. She had that 100 yard stare in her eyes and she couldn’t stay still. Next time I will make sure she has taken the edge off before we date because she really is a great suck and fuck, and I want to get a lot more pics of her.

Even agitated for a fix, Jamie does a great job sucking cock. She sucked me rock hard. It isn’t quite a DT but she is excellent at it, moving her head from the tip to as far as she can go down with great action, slobbery wetness, and a feeling of being sucked hard like a vacuum cleaner. I almost popped from the great BBBJ (I remembered that she doesn’t CIM, but no biggie), but I wanted to fuck this spinner silly. She is very tight, but when you really get up inside her she loves it and squirms and moans like a wild woman. As I was fucking her mish I told her she was my little cum piggie and she giggled and said, “OMG, that’s cute!” She is flexible and I could bend her legs back to the bed and spread her wide as I pumped her hard and fast. I blasted a hot load and my whole body was shivering and I slid off her and onto the bed.

She started to get dressed, clearly anxious to head for her supplier, but I said I would be ready for round 2 in a few minutes. She wrinkled up her nose as if to indicate that wasn’t what she understood to be the deal, but I said I would give her .75 total and that seemed to be OK. She said she could get high and buy some new clothes. This time I took her doggie and what a view! She has a perfectly formed ass and she wiggled it at me teasingly and spread her knees wide on the bed as I prepared to enter her. I thought mish was fun with her but this morsel was just made to do doggie. I grabbed both ass cheeks and slammed them onto my cock as I drilled her puss from behind, grabbing her by the hair and pulling her head back and slapping her ass. I had a wild 20 minute romp before busting a second very hard nut. I was sweating and out of breath, but felt SO fucking good.

Jamie is the kind of girl you want to take to a nice notel for a long and fun date. But today I didn’t have the time for that and she was obviously a bit edgy and in need of a fix, very unlike her usual sweet and pleasant personality. Jamie is the kind of girl you could trust to fund a high up-front so that the date would be more fun. One date I had with her, I thought I had lost my cell phone, and I was frantically looking for it in my car. She was visibly upset for me and, even though the date was over, she offered to use a nearby pay phone to call my cell so I could locate it in my car when it rang. It must have slid on the floor and to the door, and when she got out it must have dropped to the street, because when she called from the pay phone I could hear it ringing at the curb. She started crying when she came back to the car, because she was thinking that I thought she was trying to steal it. That hadn’t occurred to me even for a second, but it just shows you how sweet and sincere she can be. It was not an act. This girl is one you want to help out. It is a shame she is on dope again. But such is the reality on the K.

Ratings: Face: 5 stars (overlooking the busted lip; she is quite pretty); Body: 5 stars (perfect spinner; the most gorgeous and firm little tits and nipples; ideal shape; flat stomach; scrumptious ass); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: 5 stars; Attitude: 3 stars (I account for this by the fact that she was focused on getting high; usually she has a 5 star attitude); Overall: 4 stars (if it could have been a bit more relaxed and not so “drug anticipation tense,” she can definitely be a 5 star date all the way around); Repeatability?: Yes,( but next time I want to make sure she isn’t so anxious for a high, and I definitely want to get a LOT more pics)

Supereloquent

10-21-09, 00:15

I plan on coming down to Philly to sample the goods. You guys seem to have much more fun than us up here in New York.
How do I get in contact with Giana? Does she have a phone? Doodle

Jamie Lynn had a cell but it was stolen recently, as I reported. You can generally find her between Huntingdon and Cambria. She is out both during the day and night, but it can be hit or miss.

Forth Ryte

10-21-09, 08:44

I plan on coming down to Philly to sample the goods. You guys seem to have much more fun than us upo here in New York.

Doodle

In New York you can cruise for hours and see nothing at all or maybe a random fugly. Or you can spend the same hours driving down to the K and shop in an SW supermarket any time of day.

I did just recently. Total drive time is under two hours each way. Total sightings on a Sunday afternoon in about 2 hours cruising: Over 20 ranging from TYT's to a few scragglies.

-- Forth Ryte

Mike 80

10-23-09, 19:09

As I was heading south on the K by the 7-11,I spot this incredibly hot-punk rockish gal with jet black hair,jeans & high heels. She had the slutty,but hot look & I made a uturn down one of the many 1 way streets hoping she would still be there on my way back..Nice report and picks, Rook. Serene is new to me but I'm not mongering K anywhere near as much as I have in the past so I'll defer to more currently active K mongers.

I've mongered a fair amount in your city too and would agree that we are very lucky in Philly. You mention surprise that she was good and could actually hold a conversation, and speculate that maybe that means she really is new to the game as she told you she is. That could be true but I've found many K SWs over the years (veterans and rookies alike) who demonstrate above average intelligence and communication skills. Certainly good pickups can be found in Baltimore but the hit rate on good quality, reasonably priced SWs is higher in the metro Philly area (including Camden) than almost any US metro area I know of right now. The fan notes from around the country for CookyJar and Supereloquent's photo sets back that up.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 00:48

Tonight was a drizzly one on the K and I was driving the Ave, on my way from the airport, after a long day flying from LA, that was fraught with flight delays. I don't usually monger after dark, but this was one of those few occasions where the exception proves the rule. I saw a few cute spinners that I hadn't seen before at the usual corners, but by the time I had driven around the block for a second look they were already scooped up. A monger behind me even honked his horn at one of them and picked her up right on the K. That move was one of the most stupid fucking things I have ever seen a monger do. It ranks right up there with making a U-turn on the Ave. I wasn't so desperately in a hurry to pick up a SW that I was going to throw out all caution. Maybe that's why you don't hear any stories in here about LE hassling me. I have been mongering for many, many years and I have never been stopped by LE for any reason and I don't plan to be any time soon.

I recognized Janine. She wasn't at her usual corner, and she explained why. Because of reports in here, LE was aware of her usual hangout spot and had been hassling her, and even knew her name. That gave me pause, because I have, on occasion, reported the specific corner of a SW pickup. While I know that is helpful information to fellow mongers, I will want to weigh the value of that against LE being alerted to it as well. I know it isn't like they don't know what is going on, but if it causes specific trouble for a SW it doesn't do either the SW or mongers any good. So I won't report where I picked her up other than to say it was on the north end of the stroll (which covers a lot of territory). I followed my usual cautious procedure of carefully driving down a nearby side street out of sight of the K.

Janine is so cute and sweet and has a perfect spinner body that I really wanted to take her for an indoor date for FS. But I was on my way back home after a VERY long day and just wanted a nice long BJ car date, which is much easier to have after dark than during my usual mongering hours. In the past I had given Janine less than stellar reviews on her BJ skills, and she was aware of this. She was somewhat disappointed, but recognized that I had treated her honestly and fairly in my reports. She remembered the several times we had dated in the past, and also remembered very well that I was her very first date ever on the Ave. She has come a long way since then.

Janine clearly wanted to erase any misgivings I may have previously had about her BJ enthusiasm and abilities. She slowly and expertly sucked my cock with long deliberate wet strokes, and wonderful use of her hand at the base. She was very unhurried, and sucked me like a gf would to show you how much she wanted to please you and to impress you with her prowess. Even though we were on a very deserted one way street, some asshole kept walking by the car, clearly trying to get a peak. This caused us to stop a few times. While that was bad and an interruption it was also good, because Janine would resume her sucking, and have me rock hard again within seconds. The jerk finally got in his car down the block and drove away, and Janine finished me off by doing exactly as I said, sucking fast and then very slow, and then taking me as deep as she could. It was so sexy to see her cute face and lips buried on my cock, and her little pony tail bobbing to her sucking rhythm, and making a sincere effort to please me. She gave me one of the most satisfying and long lasting BBBJCIMSP I have enjoyed in a very long time.

The ratings? (BTW: Janine gets a kick out of my rating system; she wanted to know how she could get maximum ratings; now there is a SW with a motivation to provide excellent service); Face: 5 stars (Janine is not what one would call "beautiful" but she is definitely cute as a button); Body: 5 stars (on a spinner scale, she is a perfect spinner: cute, firm little tits and nipples and shapely little ass; on previous dates she had been a bit annoyed with my playing with her tits and especially her nipples; on this date she opened up her bra and allowed me free and uncomplaining access; I know she doesn't like too rough a play with her little eraser-like nipples, but it feels so nice to fondle her tits and nipples as she sucks your cock); BJ: 4 1/2 stars (Janine got as close as one could get to a perfect BJ rating; she has the small mouth and throat of a spinner, so she couldn't quite DT me, but in every other way she was superb and certainly gets 5 stars for unhurried and motivated enthusiasm and technique; Fucking: N/A (but I definitely want to take her for a nice long multiple cup indoor date sometime soon, because she genuinely loves to fuck, and now I would say she genuinely loves to suck as well); Personality: 5 stars plus (Janine is a definite sweetie, a real GFE); Overall: 5 stars; Repeatability? No question! (Janine is the type of date you want to spend a long time with cuddling and nuzzling and talking, and not just making it all about "business;" she and I have a very warm personal chemistry and I place a very high premium on that.)

Janine does not allow pics. While IMHO she could certainly make one of the hottest photo spreads in here, I respect her desire to have photo privacy. She is one of a handful of girls on the Ave who is a real gem.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-24-09, 07:23

Tonight was a drizzly one on the K and I was driving the Ave, on my way from the airport, after a long day flying from LA, that was fraught with flight delays..........

Did you get to do any mongering out there? I'm thinking of taking a little vacation to LA and if I do I have to hit Figeroa at least once.

.........Even though we were on a very deserted one way street, some asshole kept walking by the car, clearly trying to get a peak. This caused us to stop a few times. While that was bad and an interruption it was also good, because Janine would resume her sucking, and have me rock hard again within seconds. The jerk finally got in his car down the block and drove away,...............

Do you think this might have been some sort of neighborhood watch? I've heard at least 2 other mongers with the same story,deserted one way street, civilians getting a look see, the civilians dissappear and Uncle LEO coincidently comes to visit. The guys I speak of aren't members here just friends of mine but I'm thinking community activists are trying to coordinate efforts to "clean" up there streets. These incidents happened on the same two block stretch, 5 blocks off the ave, both at night. I know this goes without saying to you Super but to the Juniors out there, watch your 6, be aware of your surroundings, and have fun.

Great Report Super
Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 11:25

Did you get to do any mongering out there? I'm thinking of taking a little vacation to LA and if I do I have to hit Figeroa at least once.

I have always wanted to do some mongering in the LA area, especially after the reports and pics of mongers like Baldy Cruiser. There seems to be a fine selection of SWs in LA. However, this trip was very short, flying in one morning and out the next morning, and my day and evening were spent entertaining clients. Maybe next time.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 11:35

Do you think this might have been some sort of neighborhood watch? I've heard at least 2 other mongers with the same story,deserted one way street, civilians getting a look see, the civilians dissappear and Uncle LEO coincidently comes to visit. The guys I speak of aren't members here just friends of mine but I'm thinking community activists are trying to coordinate efforts to "clean" up there streets. These incidents happened on the same two block stretch, 5 blocks off the ave, both at night. I know this goes without saying to you Super but to the Juniors out there, watch your 6, be aware of your surroundings, and have fun.

Great Report Super
Happy Hunting
BadBoy

I suppose anything is possible. This was about the same area you describe:a one way deserted street (not even any residences), about 5 blocks from the K. Send me a PM regarding the 2 block stretch in question and I will be able to tell you if it matches up.

There was certainly little reason for anyone to be walking on this block at that hour of the evening, and especially circling the block a few times for second and third looks.

But if he was some kind of community watch, there was plenty of time from the first time he passed for Uncle LEO to have shown up and that never happened.

All this nonsense, of course, is exactly why I rarely engage in car dates. I chalk it up to grabbing a Big Mac every now and then, as opposed to going to a nice restaurant. Convenience food and convenience mongering is what it is.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 13:13

Several weeks ago I mentioned that a SW I have dated and have known very well, sent me a PM and shared with me some of her points of view. Several other SWs since then, perhaps motivated by my report of that, have written to me in the same vein, and one has agreed to give me a running anonymous observation of her experiences on the K. I call her my "Deep Throat." If you remember, this was the name Bob Woodward gave to his anonymous "deep background" informant on the Watergate story. What a perfect double entendre nickname for her. When I wrote to her to tell her my new nick for her she thought it was very appropriate and amusing.

Deep Throat is not your ordinary everyday SW on the K. She is from the burbs, very intelligent, and is in this for the money rather than to feed an addictive drug habit. Am I dead certain of that?: no, of course not. I am telling you what she has told me, and I rely on my good instincts and common sense to tell me that it is true. Am I dead certain that everything she is relating to me is true?: also, of course not. But I am guessing she has no particular axe to grind one way or the other, and her stories have as much credibility as those of any monger in this forum. But I did feel it would be both interesting and beneficial for mongers to hear from the other side of the fence.

My assumption going in to this was that most mongers are good guys, perhaps because one likes to think that most people are like you. Deep Throat quickly disabused me of that notion. Apparently there are many mongers out there whom one might categorize as "bad guys." While Deep Throat has fortunately never been robbed, beaten, raped or been the subject of any type of physical harm or abuse, she has had to deal with some characters that you and I probably would not like to deal with if we were in her shoes. Here are just a few examples:

1. The cheapskate: There are apparently many versions of this guy, from the one who wants a BJ to start while driving to the spot (and then doesn't seem to have any money), to the guy who does the deed and says, gee, I only have X, to the guy who gets to the spot and pulls out a wrinkled Linc, and figures he will get away with that, thinking that she is already time committed. No wonder most SWs want to negotiate up front and get paid up front; I suppose we would too in their position. It makes the SW who doesn't talk money up front, and expects fair treatment AFTER the deed all that more special to the "good guys."

2. The cheap thrill seeker: There are apparently many versions of this guy too, from the one who wants the SW to lift up her top and show him her tits and/or pull down her bottoms and show him her puss right there on the street, to guys who want to have a stinky finger (either and/or both holes, and smell and/or taste it? CRIPES!) before deciding to go on a date, to the one who demands that the SW strip naked before getting started, or negotiating or exchanging money.

3. The incompetent/knucklehead: The guy who runs out of gas (and doesn't even have the money to buy any more; so with what was he going to pay for the deed?); the guy who finds a spot to park in plain view of pedestrians, residences, heavy traffic, and/or nearby LE and seems oblivious to the risks; the guy who wants to fuck bareback.

4. The con man: The guy who offers a high price and pays in counterfeit money; the guy who offers one price up front and then negotiates for a lower price on arrival; the guy who wants a lot more than for which was originally bargained (FS for the same price for which a BJ was originally negotiated; multiple cups at the same price for which one cup was negotiated).

It is no wonder even the best and sweetest SWs get jaded in a hurry on the K, and become somewhat hardened. But one thing you might consider: the best SWs service well for repeat business from good customers, and they appreciate it all the more when you are a good client, given all the bullshit with which they have to deal on a regular basis, so the pendulum can swing in both directions. Be a good monger and you just might collect the very best SWs as regular providers.

Permanent Wood

10-24-09, 14:47

Super E, I'm getting hooked on your reports, and Jamie Lynn looks incredible.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 15:26

Super E, I'm getting hooked on your reports, and Jamie Lynn looks incredible.

I appreciate the vote of support.

Jamie Lynn IS a sweetie in every sense of the word: a pretty face, a great spinner body, a wonderful personality and a prime provider. It is a shame she is homeless again and back on dope. But that's part of what makes the K what it is.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 18:17

What goes around comes around. Believe it or not there are good mongers out there, just as there are good SWs, and one generally finds the other. If everyone is just a "mark" to you, to get your next fix, then you will eventually get the clients you deserve: the bad mongers that fit the bad SW that you apparently are.

Supereloquent

10-24-09, 21:24

I think I struck a nerve with a few of the nicer SWs on the Ave, because, after I posted the revelations of "Deep Throat," I was PMed with a number of other stories to add to the list of mongers in the categories of cheapskates, cheap thrills, knuckleheads, con men and the just plain weird and dangerous. It would seem like there is a lot some SWs have to get off their "chests" when given a little encouragement.

So here is Chapter Two from the other side of the fence:

1) One persistently idiotic type of monger is the typically young kid who drives one of those pimped out cars, music "bumpin" loud. You ignore him, because you know that you're going to go to his window and he's going to say, "Shorty, wanna make a coupla dollaz?" And when he says "couple", he means "couple". So, after a lot of time and discretion, you feel it is best to just ignore these kinds when they come around. But boy, they are persistent fools. They'll go around and around a loop 18 times, causing a traffic jam, beeping the horn, yelling things out the window. These are my least favorites! I don't date those types unless I know them because I've taken the chance before. And every time I've said to myself, "This one looks OK, I'll go with this one..." it has proven to bite me in the ass every single time.

2) The infamous walk up date who has not come to you in a car parked down the street. No, instead, he walks up to you and asks, "Yo shortie, got somewhere we can go?" to which I usually reply, "I'm waiting for the bus, sorry," because the girls I know who have decided to go with usually come back robbed, raped by him and 2 of his buddies, and with a black eye. The infamous spot they suggest our date should take place is in an abando they know of or back at the tracks. NOT GOOD! I stay away!

3) Another type tries to negotiate price. If you do negotiate to something somewhat within the fair range, you go with them. They drive around forever and don't like anywhere you suggest to park, yet their idea of a good spot is right in front of somebody's house. They pull out a wad of money and hand you less than the negotiated price. You ask what's up. Their reply is, "Jeez, I thought I had more and I need to get gas". That crap is ridiculous because at that point, they have already wasted a good chunk of your time in which other worthy guys may have come by and wanted to date you.

4) Last Saturday, a nice looking white male pulled up in a Lexus and motioned for me to meet him down the street. So I do and he pulls over. I'm talking to him through the window. He says, "How much to fuck?" I tell him. He says, "How much to do you in the ass?" I reply to that. He says, "Can I take you to my house in Northeast Philly and offered me way over the price I suggested, he seemed VERY skitzy. When something seemed shady, I then noticed that he had his hand down his pants the whole time and that is why he was shaking - because he was wacking off. When he saw that I noticed, he gunned it, nearly ran my foot over and took off up the street. I noticed him about 8 other times that afternoon driving up and down the Ave.

5) There's one guy who comes around and I got into his car and he said that in order to prove to him that I wasn't LE, show him my tits. I did and he then said, "I'm looking for a girl with double D's, sorry." He couldn't have noticed that with my very petite frame and tight shirt that I wasn't DD???? JEEZ!

6) The ones whom you see day after day, going UP AND DOWN, never stopping for anyone. They'll slow up to you, eyeball you, even motion for you to meet them, act like they're pulling around the corner and when you get close to their car, they peel off. They drive around and around and around, day after day. I guess they're window shopping. And I know I'm not scaring them away with my looks because I am not conceited, but I've been told by many dates that I'm one of the best looking girls on the Ave.

Billneedscoffe

10-25-09, 00:21

Supereloquent

10-25-09, 01:15

None of this is directed at you Supereloquent. In fact I am rather overwhelmed by and appreciative of the quality and quantity of information you bring to this forum. I'm just playing detective here.

You can play "detective" all you want and surmise anything you please, but drawing conclusions based upon sketchy evidence doesn't make it so.

I would normally ignore something like this, but I feel an obligation to exonerate Janine from your outrageous supposition. Just so you are more fully informed, Janine doesn't even own a computer and can only discover what is written in this forum indirectly. So there is scant likelihood (and in this case NO likelihood, since I know that for a fact) that she could be writing PMs to me as "Deep Throat." So much for your detective work, although it was never my intent in sharing the viewpoints of a few nice SWs (and several are involved, not just one or 2) to make it some kind of guessing game as to their identities.

As for the criticisms of our "fellow mongers," I can only say that the horrible activities that have been reported to me, and that I posted, are about mongers I certainly would NOT care to call my "fellows."

Supereloquent

10-25-09, 14:28

I guess I have had a craving for "fast SW food" lately because I was uncharacteristically cruising the K after dark yesterday and looking for a BJ car date.

I saw a thin SW on the north end of the stroll with her brunette hair tied up in a bun, and wearing dark blue pajama bottoms (that seems to be a fad among teens I have seen in the mall and a few SWs on the Ave; I suppose it is very practical to slip them off for a car fuck, as are sweat pants).

I can't tell you why I picked up Heather. She wasn't particularly good looking: not ugly, but a classically bumpy Italian nose, VERY South Philly. I suppose it was just street radar; I got a sense from her facial expressions and body language that she might be a fun suck date.

Heather says she is 32, and looks younger than that, maybe mid 20s, so the years have been kind to her. She was apologetic about her hair being all tied up, and a little messy, and wearing the pajama bottoms, but I thought to myself that I rather liked this "rumpled and slutty" look and felt it was perversely appealing. She said she dances at Show 'N Tell on Columbus Blvd., and she pulled down her pajama bottoms to show me a dancer's tat on the side of her ass from her stomach area all the way down to her thigh. She also said she "doesn't do this much," just when she needs a little extra cash. (Sure, that's why she couldn't wait to get back to buy some more rock after our date. She even admitted that she had become hooked on crack 2 years ago for the first time, and now couldn't shake it. Hey, it's the K!)

She negotiated for .3 up front, saying she was "very good" and worth it (like when hadn't I heard that one before!). I told her we would start at .2 and, if she earned a tip, she would get one. She started without payment in advance. I have had that happen to me many times, certainly almost always with SWs I have dated before, but often also with those I have not, so there must be something about my demeanor that appears trustworthy to SWs. I am always impressed by this and inclined to tip them if they provide good service, because I certainly would want up front payment if I were in their shoes, given the stories I have heard from them about the ripoff and cheapskate mongers.

Heather WAS good, as she had promised. She gave a very sloppy, very sexy BJ, with a lot of tongue action and slobbering and moaning. She would flicker her tongue rapidly and lick from all the way under my balls and right up the underside of my shaft (where all the nerves are; they should give some SWs a BJ course), and cup my dick in her mouth for a long wet slide all the way down her throat. Then she would suck up and down on my cock, varying the speeds just right, and occasionally go back to flicking and licking from the base of my balls again. Most girls just suck on you and that's that. While there is nothing wrong with that, if the girl has a good technique, I will have to say that I really enjoyed Heather's quite different and expert approach. She knew her way around a cock (despite the surprise she revealed to me later). It confirms my considerable experience that a SW over 30 tends to be an excellent cock sucker. My only major disappointment is that she didn't allow CIM, but I still enjoyed it very much. She didn't hurry me; she didn't complain or ask if I was going to cum yet; and she kept licking and sucking on me like there was no tomorrow, right up to when I popped.

Heather said she has a "wife" and is a Lesbian and almost never fucks for money, just BJs. But she did say she might consider an exception in my case on a future date. I don't know if that was a line to make me feel good somehow or whatever, but it seemed sincere, and I suppose I should feel flattered. She certainly has a spinner body worth fucking and, call me a dirty old man, but it would be deviantly hot to be fucking an admitted Lesbian.

The ratings? Face: 2 1/2 stars (with a nose job she probably would be very cute, but it is what it is); Body; 4 stars (I didn't get a chance to use it, but maybe on a future FS date); BJ: 4 1/2 stars (excellent technique; CIM would have made it 5 stars, even with a spit); Personality: 5 stars (very personable, easy to talk with and negotiate); Overall: 4 stars; Repeatable?: Yes: for BJ, fucking remains to be seen. As always, YMMV.

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 00:18

Gents, I don't her. But I think she right.95% of all the K ave ho's, SW, cummm pig or whatever. Don't give two shit about us. It's all about the green for Dope & Rock. Sorry, Gents she may be right. Just me thinking out loud. Peace

Without getting into your grammar and math, every time the button on your jukebox is pressed you play the same tired old song. It isn't nearly as simple as you "describe." Anyone with a little experience on the K knows there are some SWs who are only about the green and their next fix; there are some; however, who might be addicted, but still manage to be good providers; and there are some who are just down on their luck and making a few extra bucks. You can't lump them together and paint them all with the same tawdry brush. My experience is that, with a little discretion, you can find many SWs who can be a lot of fun. If it stopped being fun, trust me, I wouldn't be cruising the K AT ALL.

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 00:38

Yes, one man's disappointment can be another man's joy. You may have missed this review (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=823502#post823502) of Heather, with photo.

A lot of her M.O. came out in both reviews.

Thanks for pointing out that she had previously been reviewed. I had missed that. YMMV certainly always applies, but I can see where her general MO has some similarities in both cases as you pointed out. She was not wearing any underwear (as previously reported), and was proud to demonstrate that fact when pulling down her pants and showing me her tat in the car. Here is a pic of her for those who may have missed it in the previous review. You can sort of see the tat I was describing down her left side but her left hand is hiding most of it.

Except for her tiny tits, she has a nice body, taut and streamlined, probably from dancing, especially for a girl in her early 30s who has had a few kids (I was scratching my head over that one since she claims she is a Lesbian....but I guess that was before she figured it out for sure?)

PS: She looks a lot cuter in this pic with a front on view than from the side with her Italian nose. Most people look better 3/4 angle or profile, but she must be the exception that proves the rule.

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 11:47

Congrats, Rook, you lucked on my favorite. This is the same Serena I reviewed a ways back. Since then, you're the first monger to have reviewed her as far as I know. I suspect she doesn't usually have to wait very long to be picked up, but I've nonetheless been surprised that nobody else has commented on what a find she is. Hooked up with her on Saturday night for a FS date and IMHO despite her oral talents, that's the way to go. Total little hellcat. And, as it turns out, she has a wonderful singing voice - as I was driving her back to her place, Tori Amos came on the radio - Serena's a fan - and I got to hear that aside from being quite a pipe cleaner, she's got a hella set of pipes of her own. I have no hesitation of handing out a base 60 for her services, she usually earns a tip and she's got the best disposition I've run into. One of my all time faves and my current fave hands down.

It sounds like both Rook and Dark Phoenix have tapped into a real find here. It never ceases to amaze me how much talent there is on the K. This has got to be one of the best if not THE best stroll in the country.

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 19:03

I moved my further reply and comment regarding this to my thread because CJ's photo thread was getting traffic jammed with this subject, and it either needed to be ended and/or re-routed.

The subject of whether SWs on the K are basically drug addicted skeezy skanks who are just looking for their next fix, and look at all of us mongers as just pathetic marks, or whether they include some good providers who are interested in servicing well to get repeat business, regardless of the reason they want or need the money: this is a subject that probably will never be resolved. Like the blind men experiencing an elephant, we each feel a different part and think we "know" what it "looks like," when we, in fact, just know our little piece of the puzzle.

Cockmaster sent me a PM explaining his point of view and I appreciate that he did that rather than starting an unnecessary flame war over this. I have a tendency to go overboard, and I don't always put myself in the shoes of the poster when making a contentious reply. I didn't have to slight Cockmaster's grammar and math to make my point, and I apologize for that.

I appreciate that Cockmaster has a unique perspective. Few of us have lived on the K, lived on the streets, lived with a SW, used drugs or dealt drugs. We are sheltered from the reality of all that. All I know is that I try to avoid the street skanks who are wasted and fucked up and ONLY focused on smoking their next rock or getting some dope. I would differ with a perspective that 95%, or even as many as 80% of the SWs on the K fit this category, not giving a rat's ass about anything: family...kids..and certainly not mongers. During the day when I monger maybe 20-30% are in this category by my guess. The rest are as I described: relatively good and well worth it to have fun fucking them and getting my cock sucked. If they were all skeezy, skanky, dirty, smelly awful crackheads and dopers who cared NOTHING about doing a good job or getting repeat business from me then I wouldn't go there. The very few I have run into like that never get my business again, and I write a review on them that will keep others away as well.

I appreciate that Cockmaster wrote to me and expressed his point of view and where he was coming from. I guess we can just agree to disagree on this issue.

Motobone

10-26-09, 22:15

Thanks for pointing out that she had previously been reviewed. I had missed that. YMMV certainly always applies, but I can see where her general MO has some similarities in both cases as you pointed out. She was not wearing any underwear (as previously reported), and was proud to demonstrate that fact when pulling down her pants and showing me her tat in the car. Here is a pic of her for those who may have missed it in the previous review. You can sort of see the tat I was describing down her left side but her left hand is hiding most of it.

Except for her tiny tits, she has a nice body, taut and streamlined, probably from dancing, especially for a girl in her early 30s who has had a few kids (I was scratching my head over that one since she claims she is a Lesbian....but I guess that was before she figured it out for sure?)

PS: She looks a lot cuter in this pic with a front on view than from the side with her Italian nose. Most people look better 3/4 angle or profile, but she must be the exception that proves the rule.She looks like my kind of bad little thing. (I love it when the right girl does her hair like that)

Thanks for the pic.

Moto.

Davey1965

10-26-09, 23:01

I would normally ignore something like this, but I feel an obligation to exonerate Janine from your outrageous supposition.

This time I agree with you 100% Super!! That post was not by Janine nor
anyone I ever dated before.

Those posts are from Rachel A.K.A. Sabrina of Teddys Stable. A couple of months ago I got a PM from her talking shit about some of my posts. Some over a year old and not even about her. So I fired back and hammered away. I guess I must have hit a soft spot and maybe upset her a bit too much. The writing is the exact same as what was in the PM's. Now I wish I would have saved them.

Davey1965

10-26-09, 23:31

Without getting into your grammar and math, every time the button on your jukebox is pressed you play the same tired old song. It isn't nearly as simple as you "describe." Anyone with a little experience on the K knows there are some SWs who are only about the green and their next fix; there are some; however, who might be addicted, but still manage to be good providers; and there are some who are just down on their luck and making a few extra bucks. You can't lump them together and paint them all with the same tawdry brush. My experience is that, with a little discretion, you can find many SWs who can be a lot of fun. If it stopped being fun, trust me, I wouldn't be cruising the K AT ALL.

So I agreee with you twice today..LoL !! I've met all types out here over the
years as I'm sure many of us have. Unless you pick up some really wacked
out girls here, most are actually pretty decent and appreciate good customers. I don't get involved with girls out here but neither do I treat
them like they are less than me either. I do know of many who met guys
on the ave who took the chance with them and had success stories. It
really bothers me when I hear stories of guys abusing the girls out there.

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 23:32

I mentioned this situation before in passing about the monger knuckleheads who insist on fucking bareback. Apparently quite a few want to do that. I found the number Deep Throat estimated (60%) to be way beyond what I would have guessed. Are so many guys this fucking stupid? Or do they all just have a death wish? The least of one's problems would be an STD transmission (either way) or pregnancy. But then there is HIV to worry about.

These crazy mongers try to convince a SW that if they pull out before they cum that there is neither a chance of catching or transmitting a disease or getting pregnant. I don't know whether this is their own stupidity in believing this or a belief that the SW is this dumb or both. What I do know is that this is pure INSANITY!

If a SW lets you do it bareback, do you think you are just so extra special that you are the ONLY one with whom she has EVER done this? You are fucking everyone she has ever fucked and everyone they have ever fucked, on to infinity. I can't make up my mind whether to blame the incompetence of sex education in our wonderful public education system, or the fact that there is a vast overabundance of moronic people.

This reminds me of an infamous quote by a boxer who had taken a few too many punches: "Sure there have been injuries and deaths in boxing - but none of them serious."

Supereloquent

10-26-09, 23:54

So I agreee with you twice today..LoL !!

I think we have managed to agree 99% of the time in the past: just one flap and that is ancient history. It is good to see you posting again and to find out who the real Sryan809 is. I am sorry to hear that other mongers have tried to cop your identity and get special favors from SWs, and that you have had to change your street name with some. It could happen to any of us. I hear you about being burned out on the board: giving a lot and receiving very little, except grief. One thing the world has plenty of are assholes, so ignore the crap and enjoy the good stuff.

JerryGarcia

10-26-09, 23:55

I have been doing this (street mongering) a very long time--over 20 years and in many other locations prior to moving to Philly in 1998 and discovering the wonders of the K. I am kind of semi-retired, as I have settled down a bit plus have had some medical issues in the past year--I used to be able to have multis in my younger days--now I am just thankful to get it up and pop off a nut once in a while.

It is a pretty simple equation--you find a girl--if you like her, you look for her again or possibly get some digits. If it is a bad scene, you move on and never go near her. Most of us acquire the experience to learn that the majority of girls on the street want our money and aren't in it for anything else. That is fine with me--I just want what I paid for in return. I will treat a girl as I want to be treated--I am respectful, and hope to be dealt with properly in return. I have enjoyed many wonderful dates along with some lousy ones. Back 8-9 years ago, I used to bring girls I trusted home from the K and have them stay overnight--multi cups and some warmth in my bed at maybe max price of $. Somehow I never had a bad scene with that or a problem--maybe because I honed my instincts first for many years and also made sure I did a few hotel dates with a girl before any overnights.

But I am a realist--some girls are simply not going to be easy to deal with--the street requires instincts and good judgement--none of us want to lose our lives or get arrested over a BJ. That is why this board and the reviews posted are a great tool. If a girl treats me or a fellow monger properly, she is going to get return business. If she flakes out or fails to deliver properly, then few will go back. I only learned these lessons the hard way--there were no boards or Internet for most of my monger career.

I can understand where a girl like Sryan809 is coming from and I don't have a problem with her view or attitude. Like I said, treat everyone with respect and hope for the same in return--if not, pass and move on to the next square. Do your homework, monger carefully and trust your instincts. I strongly recommend you park your car and get out and casually walk up to girls and chat them up to see where they are coming from--that helps build up a little chemistry and weeds out the possibility of a very unpleasant experience. But be smart about doing this--watch out for LE and don't put a girl in an uncomfortable position--also avoid "high traffic" locations.

Study Super's moves and read through how he goes about his monger routine--don't just be mesmerized by the pics he takes--learn from his advice and experience, especially since he is offering it to all on this board.

Supereloquent

10-27-09, 01:31

http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a_russian_treat_that_is_devilishly_sweet_21/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1865579

... I remembered her ad linked above and someone's review that she rushed them also. DAMN, why couldn't I remember that beforehand!?....

So be warned, she is just as pretty in person as the photos show, and she is very pleasant at first, but likes to rush.

If you haven't figured it out by now she was Jonesing, the guest was her pimp/dealer, and when she went to the bathroom she shot up (got high), she had already got what she wanted, and got high. Next she just wanted you to leave so she could enjoy it. Avoid this one like the plague, of course she's gonna rush you, she can't even wait for you to leave before she gets high....

Where have we seen this before? A pretty young thing on the internet who charges 1.5 an hour for a "massage," (probably wanted a tip for anything exciting), and now a doper on the K with a pimp. What makes mongers think the others on the internet are any better? You have a better chance OBSERVING the quality of what you are getting on the K than the anonymity of the net. And even when you get a good look, and a sense of the personality, you can still go wrong. So, much better to go wrong for .2 or .5 than 1.5+.

But, Fbtom....DUDE! Watch yourself out there! I know you are relatively new to all of this, and making an honest attempt to learn a few things. But you have to be more CAREFUL and less naive! You're lucky you weren't robbed, raped, beaten and left for dead.

Fbtom

10-27-09, 01:44

But, Fbtom....DUDE! Watch yourself out there! I know you are relatively new to all of this, and making an honest attempt to learn a few things. But you have to be more CAREFUL and less naive! You're lucky you weren't robbed, raped, beaten and left for dead.

Yes, wise words to be taken seriously! I was very aware of my surroundings and am prepared for most outcomes. The thought of jumping out her second story window was one of them if it came down to it.

I'll be taking the notel route from now on. It is worth the drive and cost to be in a better situation.

This is what I had done with a different date after Kylie and was far more comfortable! I'll post that one up later when I figure out how to get pics off of my new phone.

Supereloquent

10-27-09, 02:00

She looks like my kind of bad little thing. (I love it when the right girl does her hair like that)

Thanks for the pic.

Moto.

I have to love your phraseology. There is something sensually electric to me about a trashy spinner in pigtails saying to me in a cute high pitched voice: "I'm Daddy's cum piggie." LOL

Forth Ryte

10-27-09, 07:50

Study Super's moves and read through how he goes about his monger routine--don't just be mesmerized by the pics he takes--learn from his advice and experience, especially since he is offering it to all on this board.

Good advice, but I want to point out what I think might get overlooked: Super treats the girls respectfully and THAT, in my humble opinion, accounts for a large part of why he gets treated well by so many of the SWs he encounters.

Super and others often say, "YMMV", but what they are telling you is that you may get a wholly different treatment from the same girl based on how YOU treated treat them.

As wise Davey just said on another thread here, "I've met all types out here over the years as I'm sure many of us have. Unless you pick up some really wacked out girls here, most are actually pretty decent and appreciate good customers. I don't get involved with girls out here but neither do I treat
them like they are less than me either. I do know of many who met guys
on the ave who took the chance with them and had success stories. It
really bothers me when I hear stories of guys abusing the girls out there."

-- Forth Ryte

Davey1965

10-27-09, 10:11

I think we have managed to agree 99% of the time in the past: just one flap and that is ancient history. It is good to see you posting again and to find out who the real Sryan809 is. I am sorry to hear that other mongers have tried to cop your identity and get special favors from SWs, and that you have had to change your street name with some. It could happen to any of us. I hear you about being burned out on the board: giving a lot and receiving very little, except grief. One thing the world has plenty of are assholes, so ignore the crap and enjoy the good stuff.

Yes you are correct on us agreeing 99% of the time. I guess my responses
could have been handled differently, but oh well, never said I was perfect.
Most of my displeasure was just with the board antics and Jackson himself.
But took a well needed break and I was actually alerted to the recent
posts by a SW'er (who knows me as Dave) who has internet access and
reads the board. I was like "that little useless dope hoe". So guess I'll have
to keep my eyews open here again :)

Supereloquent

10-27-09, 19:23

I have 5 SWs now writing to me anonymously, inspired by the stories of Deep Throat and anxious to tell their own stories. I suppose this will eventually provide me with enough material to write an interesting book. So I guess you are reading what may some day be known as the first drafts.

Many of them echoed Deep Throat's guesstimate that 60% of mongers want to fuck bareback. In fact, several thought that figure was too low! I have heard stories how it is common for mongers to offer as much as a .5 premium or more to do it bareback. And then there are the stories about the SWs who do this with just about everyone and, surprise!: they wind up giving all their customers gonorrhea. And the idiot mongers have the nerve to complain that so and so SW gave me gonorrhea, like it was all HER fault. Well it serves you right you stupid putz. Consider yourself damn lucky if that's all that you got from her.

Then of course there are the fetishists: the foot fetishists seem to be the most common and they come in many flavors. Some like to suck toes; some like to worship on and suck dirty feet; some think the dirty feet aren't nearly dirty enough and have the SW walk barefoot on the filthy street before they worship and suck on them; some carry around their own assortment of favorite women's footwear, sometimes particularly laced with foot odor.

Apparently there are a number of "mongers" who park along the K within sight of one or several SWs and whack off in their cars. I guess that's the poor man's version of Playboy or Penthouse.

Then there are the truly weird who like to have their balls punched or kicked HARD.

I guess if you hang around on the K long enough as a SW you eventually get to see it all.

Forth Ryte

10-28-09, 07:47

... Those who claim they did seven cups in one day or made a girl squirt five times are amusing but not verifiable and perhaps not truthful.....
why wouldn't a girl go ahead and post her complaints here directly. They would be more credible than coming through a third party who, like the rest of us, might be tempted to embellish the story for entertainment value.....

That was a bit of a backhanded smack at Super's credibility there. So for the record, it was only 7 months ago that there was an incident on the forum where several posts were made under Super's name and they were proven to be bogus. At the time, Super was just getting started as a major poster on this forum. He apologized and explained how another person had used his computer to make those bogus reports. Still, a few posters flamed Super and said he could never be trusted. Some said, let's wait and see if Super turns out to be a fiction writer.

Since then, there has never been a report by Super that anyone has shown to be less than 100% truthful. He has pics to substantiate the most amazing adventures. In a word, gentlemen, he has fully established his credibility and if Coconut Poke is envious of Super's performance ability (aren't we all?) it is no reason to slight the man's credibility.

-- Forth Ryte

Ssssbadboyssss

10-28-09, 14:10

That was a bit of a backhanded smack at Super's credibility there. So for the record, it was only 7 months ago that there was an incident on the forum where several posts were made under Super's name and they were proven to be bogus. At the time, Super was just getting started as a major poster on this forum. He apologized and explained how another person had used his computer to make those bogus reports. Still, a few posters flamed Super and said he could never be trusted. Some said, let's wait and see if Super turns out to be a fiction writer.

Since then, there has never been a report by Super that anyone has shown to be less than 100% truthful. He has pics to substantiate the most amazing adventures. In a word, gentlemen, he has fully established his credibility and if Coconut Poke is envious of Super's performance ability (aren't we all?) it is no reason to slight the man's credibility.

-- Forth Ryte
I agree 100% Forth, and while on the subject in more recent history, a member had several of his original posts completely removed by the admin, since then he's made a 100% turn around and was about to gain some monicker of trust and respect in this forum, at least with me. I'd hate to see that ruined by petty accusations. On another note I consider Super a "friend", of course I don't know him personally but we share alot of the same views amd I'm extreme interested in reading the things he writes. In doing as such I've also noticed, he doesn't take criticism very well at all, he's said it himself. Back handed comments like those are sure to draw a much less than favorable reaction, anyone who reads this thread knows this. If one didn't know better one would think that a certain post were meant to incur that wrath, especially if it were to come from someone who's been known to antagonize others in the past. Well I'm gonna sit back and watch the sparks fly, hopefully it doesn't scare off any contacts.

To you Super, like I said I'm President of the Fan Club, and as President I'm taking all the Club Members to a fallout shelter because we know what's coming, LOL.

Stay Safe, Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Supereloquent

10-28-09, 18:46

Forth Ryte and Bad Boy: Thank you for your support against the petty, backhanded and obviously envious remarks from Coconut Poke. I am a science fiction nut and Robert Heinlein summarized my feelings about CP's post very "eloquently:" "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Members of the board know me to not take much criticism lying down, and perhaps I am mellowing, but I am not inclined to open up my flame thrower full throttle on this 10 time poster who seems to have more time to play detective (badly) and cast aspersions than contribute some useful information.

But, of course, I couldn't resist having a few things to say in passing. CP recently speculated about the identity of a SW who wrote an anonymous post in here. Granted, the post was a complaining and bitter one, but it didn't require someone with little first hand knowledge of the situation to throw in his uninvited two cents and point the finger WRONGLY to someone as being the author. I didn't hear a peep nor an apology from CP after it was fairly conclusively demonstrated by parties in a position to know (Davey and myself) that he was totally out to lunch. And then he wonders why SWs would rather filter their observations through a trusted third party rather than contributing them directly? Because they choose to be anonymous and not have "detectives" on here ruminating about their identities. DUH! CP wants quotes, reprints of the PMs and direct posts from SWs in order that "the original source be closer to the readership." Why? Apparently because he wants to figure out who they are. If the less observant readers in here haven't already figured this out, "Deep Throat" is a composite of several SWs who have shared information with me in confidence. I try the best I can to keep their identities anonymous, as they prefer them to be. They don't have to post directly, CP, just because you think they should, and I don't have to reprint their PMs, share their direct quotes, or write my posts as if your hand were up my back, and working me like a puppet. Nor do I feel the obligation to have editors, co-authors or corroborating sources just because you think I should. (By the way, where were YOURS when you made your false and misleading accusation?).

As to your disbelief of anything I have written in my posts, a few SWs have been unhappy with a less than a stellar review when they discovered such, whether it was directly or through a friend who reads this forum, but even then I have never seen a reaction that I was not telling the truth, and, as a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone with first hand knowledge refuting one damn thing, whether good or bad.

So, disbelieve me all you want CP. In fact, place me on "ignore" so you won't even have to read anything I have to say, and I will be invisible to you. I would actually quite prefer that you did.

Supereloquent

10-28-09, 20:09

I actually hate to do this. Very recently I had a terrific date with Janine and this one was a bust. But it is what it is. Apparently Janine can run hot or cold depending upon how she feels.

I made a telephone date with Janine. She suggested a place to meet and said she would be there "in about an hour." I got there 15 minutes early and nursed an extra large coffee from DD. I knew the meeting place to be close to where Janine lives off the K, so I expected her to be somewhat on time. Twenty minutes after the appointed time, I was getting a bit irritated and called her again. She was still at home! However, she said she would be there in 5 minutes. Twenty-five minutes later she showed up. I was annoyed to say the least. If I was respectful of her time by setting an appointment then I expected her to be respectful of my time as well. Apparently that isn't such a 2 way street with some SWs.

Janine wasn't feeling well. She had a pain in her stomach. I sympathized with that and offered to postpone the date. There wasn't any point in aggravating her pain, especially since I had an indoor FS date in mind. But she said she would be fine and that the pain was probably from something she had just eaten. Even so, she admitted she was going to see the doctor for this in the afternoon. All this should just have sent warning bells off in my head to call off the date. I guess some SWs will tough anything out, even pain; the bottom line is that they just want to make the bucks.

We got to the notel and Janine was having trouble just getting undressed without wincing from the pain. This was turning into a dismal scene, not the erotic and sensual time I had envisioned. I thought that at least getting my cock sucked might be fun given the great job Janine had done last time. But she did a very lackluster and unmotivated job and was clearly anxious to get to the fucking part and get it over with. I mounted her mish and she was obviously in pain. I wasn't sure if that was from her stomach condition or the tight fit. Later she told me it was both. It was not much fun to fuck someone whose face was all screwed up in agony like she was having a kid. In the midst of her wincing and moaning (NOT sensually) she said "Just do what you have to do." That was about as exciting as fucking a wet dishrag. Luckily I was super horny and busted a fast nut. Cumming feels good any way you slice it, but I don't fuck SWs just to get off. I can do that with my trusty right hand. I really do want the girl to enjoy it too and get into it. It's part of the mental fun. Otherwise, I would just as soon fantasize in the shower.

Justine is a sweet girl and has a cute face and a nice spinner body, but I would have to give this experience an overall rating of 2 stars. It really is about the mental as well as the physical for me. Maybe someone else might have enjoyed perversely delivering pain, but I just found it to be a total downer. I would be inclined to date her again only because I have also enjoyed good experiences with her, and even one terrific experience. But I would have to be very honest with her up front about my expectations.

Janine doesn't own a computer but I know she has a friend who reads this forum and clues her in as to the posts, so she is likely to be very disappointed in this review. But if you date me you should be prepared to bring your A game or read/discover the sad truth thereafter. I don't pull punches or play favorites. If you earned a bad rating or a good rating you most likely deserved it, regardless of the reasons.

JerryGarcia

10-28-09, 20:43

I was expecting a much stronger reaction (as you stated, opening up your flame thrower full throttle). Kudos on a well-written and scholarly response.

As far as the "Deep Throat" musings, I am astonished to find that there are mongers who are completely insane? Going bareback has to be the absolutely most misdirected idea that anyone could ever have--I guess there is a whole "new generation" of fools who think they are supermen and apparently never read much about HIV/AIDS.

I can understand BBBJ, as the science on that is supportive of there being minimal risk--but any other form of unprotected sex in this day and age borders on criminal negligence. Hell, I wouldn't bang a girl I picked up in a nice bar without a coat under any circumstances!

Supereloquent

10-28-09, 20:51

Deep Throat thought that it would be fun to hear "reverse complaints" from mongers, things that have irritated them about SWs. I think many of these have been aired on this forum, and I don't think mongers are "shy" about coming forward with such, or wanting to be anonymously hidden and communicating through a trusted third party.

So here is a complaint I haven't seen much of in here that seems to have occurred to me a few too many times in the past week, and that is SW telephone appointment courtesy (or more appropriately the lack thereof).

I already related my story of setting a date with Janine and having her show up 45 minutes late. That really toasts my buns. When I set an appointment time I show up on time and I expect SWs to show up on time as well. If there is a reason I can't make it I have a good excuse and call and let her know and expect the same in return. Being "fashionably late" may be cute for a civi but it doesn't cut any ice with me on the Ave. Otherwise why make a telephone appointment in the first place? One may as well troll the Ave rather than be tied to one spot for 45 minutes waiting. In 45 minutes, with light traffic, I could make 2 complete round trip tours of the K.

The other thing that really ticks me off is making a date with a SW and she calls you sometime before with a cancellation, offering some lame excuse. The worst of these is a cancellation right before the appointed time. Do they think you are stupid? They picked up a date and don't feel like waiting for you. The most obvious of these is when you are already on the K and heading in their direction, about to be there in a few minutes, and they call and say, "Gee, don't be mad at me...but..." If you are a regular (or the SW wants you to be, which, hopefully, is likely if she gave you her digits), then she should treat you with the same priority with which she expects to be treated. OR, she shouldn't have made the appointment in the first place.

Sometimes just cruising the K seems to be the best solution. It's hit or miss, but sometimes no more hit or miss than using the telephone.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-28-09, 21:31

Deep Throat thought that it would be fun to hear "reverse complaints" from mongers, things that have irritated them about SWs.
Well since you asked, I have my top four countdown:

#4 When a SW offers me a phone number that doesn't work. I'm not even talking about it not working the next week or even the next day, I'm talking about calling right there and it's out of service.

#3 Rushing. Saying "Are you gonna cum" or something similar. You say that and we might as well start over. Five minutes isn't gonna cut it. However if you're relaxed and act like you're into it I think it's an added turn on, it enhances the experience and makes me cum faster.

#2 Asking me to drive you to cop. Not gonna happen, I'm willing to risk my ass for some ass, but I'm not willing to drive you up to a dealer and wait while you make a transaction. I'm not naive to the habits of alot of girls out there but take care of that before or after.

#1 Trying to get high in my car. ARE YOU SERIOUS? No it's not okay if you smoke crack in my car, I don't care if I have dark tint, we're on a deserted street whatever. I'm not trying to get booked over your habit. It's one thing if we're indoors and you wanna take care of that before we get down to business, but not outside in the car for all to see.

Happy Hunting, Happy Being Hunted
BadBoy

Supereloquent

10-28-09, 22:07

I spoke with a SW last week who usually provides accurate intel about what is happening on the Ave. She said there is a SW with light brunette hair, sometimes pulled back in a bun, named Robin (Robyn?) who hangs in the Buckius area. Supposedly this SW fucks anyone bareback who wants it, and has been passing around gonorrhea and who knows what else. Does anyone have any more information on this?

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 00:45

Not that what Coconut Poke said bothered me one little bit about providing direct quotations from PMs as enabling the readers to be "closer to the source," but here is a direct quote which Deep Throat apparently didn't mind sharing:

"I got another good two to add. You can quote this, since people seem to think you're lying or something.

A man came today, passed by a few times and pulled over across the street from the train station. I went over, got in and we talked for a minute. He told me he wanted a BJ and I quoted the price. He said, "OK" and said he wanted to see my tits so I could prove I wasn't a cop. I showed him and after that, he says, "Are you going to be here for a while?" I told him that the nature of the game is that I may or may not be, depending on what happens, but that I will definitely be gone by 2. He says, "I need to go to the ATM and get some money and I'd like to come back for you." This has happened to me several times. If you know you're looking for a date, why didn't you do that before you started cruising? And maybe he was just one of those who gets off on seeing tits and wacked off and got a "date" for free.

There is another man who I ran into a while ago. When I approached the window of his car, all I could smell was the strongest smell of urine. It was sickening. I talked to him through the window and noticed many pairs of nasty stained panties laying all over his car. He went on to tell me that he likes to place his hand under a girls crotch, have her pee on his hand as he jerks off with the other hand. When she's done peeing, he likes to follow up with a BJ. CRAZY RIGHT? Um, no thanks!

Another kind that makes me crazy. The guy who shows up with a crackpipe in his hand and is so smoked out of his mind that he can't even talk. What if I was a cop? He'd be busted for two things! I encountered one of them today. He wanted to pay me with crack and I don't smoke. Again, no thanks!"

Billneedscoffe

10-29-09, 01:35

Mike 80

10-29-09, 03:43

Those are excellent lists by BadBoy and Billneedscoffee that capture probably 95% of the things some SWs do that annoy me (or go further than annoying me, like in the case of robbing me) I'll toss in just a few others that come to mind if we're trying to compile a full list:

- Open up your glove compartment or center console without asking
- Fiddle with your radio, change the station, raise the volume w/o asking
- Want to talk through your car window or with the door open before getting in. Please get in immediately and we'll talk once we're rolling.
- Ask to use your cell phone

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 11:28

On the street this SW looked like a prime piece of eye candy. You could even see from 50 yards away that she had a very pretty face. She was also attractively thin with a nice ass, a little tall (maybe 5 feet 7) to be a true spinner, but certainly a nice total package. I went around the block to catch her down a side street and I thought for sure someone would have scooped her up, because she was definitely in the top 5% of SWs on the Ave in the looks category. I felt lucky when I found her still there after my spin around the block, and she looked just as good sitting next to me as she did a good distance away on the K.

On the way to the Carlyle we had a pleasant discussion and she seemed quite warm and personable. Jennifer is 30, although her face could pass for younger. She says she has been working the Ave on and off for 5 years or so and even before that, taking time off here and there. All I know is that I had never seen her before. I would have definitely remembered. She seemed to know that she looks good. She was applying makeup all the way during the drive: lip gloss, eye liner, eye shadow, powder, and even some sparkles. I liked the sparkles especially; there was something about them that seemed slutty and hot. I have seen a few dancers that wear them as well. I guess she was trying to look good because I had mentioned that I wanted to take some pics, with which she was ok.

When we got to the Carlyle, and she started to undress, I had a letdown on my anticipation of what her body would look like. She looked a lot better dressed than undressed. Her tits were tiny and saggy, with thickish brownish nipples (I prefer the cute perky pink ones) and not at all attractive. Her stomach didn’t have stretch marks nor was it flabby, but it wasn’t the taut spinner-like tummy I would have desired. Her ass was a bit saggy as well and looked better in those jeans than naked. And, while I can tolerate trimmed and would rather shaved, a very hairy bush is a turnoff.

Jennifer was up for a few pics but quickly got anxious to get going and she wasn’t game for any BJ shots. She did an above average job giving me a BBBJ, nothing fantastic but certainly not terrible. She couldn’t quite DT me but she had a nice and exciting technique. Fucking her was a bit routine; it made me wish I had finished with her sucking my cock. I almost pulled out and did that. It wasn’t like she was a terrible lay; it’s just that she obviously wasn’t into it, like, ho hum, fuck me good, big boy. Looking at her watch would have been the perfect metaphor, like in the movie Klute when Jane Fonda does that while she is fucking a client and making believe she is having fun.

Ratings? Face: 5 stars (she was very pretty; you can’t take that away from her); Body: 2 ½ stars (give her a boob job, a tummy tuck, plump up and shape her ass, and mow the lawn and she might have a body to match her face); BJ: 3 stars (uninspired ,but nice technique); Fucking: 2 ½ stars (the only really good thing about fucking her was having a pretty face to stare at; you certainly didn’t have to close your eyes and fantasize); Personality: 3 stars (she was 5 stars in the car talking, but 2 stars fucking, where it counts); Overall? 2 ½ stars; Repeatability? I’ll pass (except maybe if I am hungry for a quick car BJ, unless she gets a personality transplant for when she is fucking).

It doesn’t happen very often but Jennifer is proof positive that what you think you see isn’t always what you actually get. I think the best use of her is for her lips to be wrapped around your cock as you watch that pretty face bob up and down on it. I can't dispute that was a hot sight to behold.

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 11:30

I definitely should have shaved her before taking these pics and fucking her.

JerryGarcia

10-29-09, 12:30

I dated Jen at least 7-8 times back well over 5 years ago--she was one of my ATF's. Time and addiction have clearly taken their toll on her--she used to look fantastic without her clothes on. She was always a girl who drifted in and out of the street scene--back in the day, you might not find her for months at a time.

Jen and I had some really nice dates--she performed the best CG on me that I have ever had, and her attitude and personality made it that much better. I remember her riding me sweetly, while smiling down at me and asking me if I liked it.

She was not like most SW's, and a true case of YMMV. I was nice to her, and went out of my way a few times to "help" her out--she returned the kindness in bed.

Glad to know Jen is still amongst the living--sad to see how her looks have deteriorated over time.

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 16:17

Thanks for sharing this, Super. I felt that it made the anecdotes come alive, and seeing Throat's writing style (which was impressive) helped get to know her a little better. I don't need to know her identity; I want to feel her personality.

As stated previously, I admire the quantity and quality of what you bring to the forum. Keep it up. And let us know when your book comes out.

You can be annoying and antagonistic and a pain in the butt, and then have a flip side which is thoughtful, intelligent and appreciative. All I can say is that you are a real puzzle to me yet, CP.

Your observation is right on the money that Deep Throat (in her various guises) is impressive, and is not a typical SW on the Ave. She is smart, is not a drug user (although there is no definitive way to prove such), uses a computer, is an avid reader of this forum, has a distinctive perspective, and exhibits a writing style that shows a better command of the English language than many of the mongers on here.

Ssssbadboyssss

10-29-09, 16:25

I definitely should have shaved her before taking these pics and fucking her.
She does look like she's got Buckwheat in a leg lock. You managed a great total package shot of your subject and you're 100% right, she looks alot better with the clothes on!

Great Report Super
BadBoy

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 16:27

...Glad to know Jen is still amongst the living--sad to see how her looks have deteriorated over time.

Her face is still first rate, but her body has the mileage of a 40 something. You can see for yourself in the pics I took.

I think years on the K are like dog years: you age in some ratio, like maybe somewhere between 3 to 5 to one.

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 16:38

She does look like she's got Buckwheat in a leg lock. You managed a great total package shot of your subject and you're 100% right, she looks alot better with the clothes on!

Great Report Super
BadBoy

OMG...I laughed over that phrase! I must be out of it because I had never heard it before but I looked it up, and it is even in the Urban Dictionary.

Boot camp should be mandatory for SWs, which should include basic hygiene, cock sucking 101 (the drill sergeants should be MILFs), knowing and avoiding the 10 things that most irritate mongers and rule number one: keep the coochie hairless.

Mike 80

10-29-09, 20:43

I dated Jen at least 7-8 times back well over 5 years ago--she was one of my ATF's. Time and addiction have clearly taken their toll on her--she used to look fantastic without her clothes on.Ditto all that. Yes I also dated Jen a few times several years ago but haven't seen her in very long time. Was she in prison or something? Last I remember her she was definitely showing signs of going downhill. If anything she actually looks better here than I remember from those final sightings. As Chriseff says she could be (and usually was) a good provider, looks, attitude, performance. But probably because of her bad habit she wasn't always that good.

I know she was reported on back then and I could swear there was once a picture of her posted as well but I don't see it in Duke's Photo Index. In fact Jen dates back to the time when Duke and Old Dog (now Dr. Strangelove if I recall) were among the primary posters on the Philly boards.

Supereloquent

10-29-09, 23:00

To both, Sryan809 and Bad Girl 1979, I hate being so cold but;

I'd rather be a hammer than a nail.

Sryan809 wasn’t the first. Bad girl was banned in 2008. They won’t be the last.

We should always keep things in perspective. We should not be out looking for love, a wife or girlfriend. It’s just entertainment. Like TV, the movies or a good play, it may be fun and look real; but it isn’t.

CookyJar

Amen, Cooky. Like all entertainment, some is good and some is bad. So, like it or not girls, we are going to evaluate and rate it. It's our money and we can spend it on you, or not. So you can have a piss poor attitude and have piss poor clients or you can have a great attitude and have great clients. You don't think that is true? Read some of the comments in here from the better regular mongers who appreciate and reward excellent service. They will seek you out, treat you decently and pay you fairly. Or, you can decide that doesn't matter to you, and accept the monger dregs you so richly deserve.

Supereloquent

10-31-09, 16:24

As a fellow SW photojournalist I would have to say that you did some terrific work with the Tonya pics. The photos captured different alluring facial expressions and body poses in a way I could only characterize as ART! Congrats, CJ.

Supereloquent

10-31-09, 18:04

Ssssbadboyssss

10-31-09, 20:38

I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates. I had/have some theories about this and I have asked a few of them why they do this, but I am not sure whether I am getting the real reason or the ready "excuse" they would have me believe. The most common "excuse" they tell me is that their feet are cold; but I notice they do this on a hot, sweltering day in summer just as well as a cold day in winter. Another thing I have noticed is that a few of them stuff their pay in their socks, like it is their safe deposit box, so that is a possible reason for some if the socks are long enough. My real suspicion is that it is a psychological protection. For the same reasons many SWs don't like to kiss (because it violates that protective barrier they like to maintain between pure business and true sexual intimacy), I believe that they wear their socks: because in their heads they are not truly totally naked and vulnerable. I could be all wet on this, but what would the big deal be about kissing and touching lips, if they are willing to wrap their lips around and swallow your cock and your cum? That doesn't make any sense unless the reason is totally psychological. I think the same thing applies to socks? What do you think? I will be asking Deep Throat as well.

As soon as I started reading this post I thought "You're never really naked if you have your socks on". I actually say that line quite alot and I do believe it's the reason. I don't think it's safety because if I were gonna rob a provider if she was a SW the first place I'd go is for the socks, if she worked outta hotel it would be behind the dresser. They all seem to hide their valuables in the same manner.( I'm not saying I would rob anyone, just making a point.) I think it's one more emotional barrier that insulates one situation from another.

SW Psychology 101
BadBoy

Member #5237

10-31-09, 23:54

I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates. I had/have some theories about this and I have asked a few of them why they do this, but I am not sure whether I am getting the real reason or the ready "excuse" they would have me believe. The most common "excuse" they tell me is that their feet are cold; but I notice they do this on a hot, sweltering day in summer just as well as a cold day in winter. Another thing I have noticed is that a few of them stuff their pay in their socks, like it is their safe deposit box, so that is a possible reason for some if the socks are long enough. My real suspicion is that it is a psychological protection. For the same reasons many SWs don't like to kiss (because it violates that protective barrier they like to maintain between pure business and true sexual intimacy), I believe that they wear their socks: because in their heads they are not truly totally naked and vulnerable. I could be all wet on this, but what would the big deal be about kissing and touching lips, if they are willing to wrap their lips around and swallow your cock and your cum? That doesn't make any sense unless the reason is totally psychological. I think the same thing applies to socks? What do you think? I will be asking Deep Throat as well.

I too have noticed alot of the girls keep their socks on. My theory is this: alot of people don`t take good care of their feet because they are covered most of the time and they feel why waste the time taking care of them when most people will never see them. As we know, most women of the street have some sort of drug addiction which eventually will affect their appearence. Some will have bad looking teeth, some will have bad skin. If they are not taking care of their skin or teeth, you can be sure the feet are being totally neglected. Next time you see a junkie, look at their fingernails. It`s quite disgusting. And you can be sure their toes look even worse. So maybe it`s a good thing they keep their socks on. What you can`t see, you may not want to see. One more thought. Ever see all the needle marks on a junkies arm? They eventually start shooting up by injecting in their feet. So just imagine what those feet must look like.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 01:07

I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder.

LOL

Supereloquent, I’ve an interesting question I’d like for you to ponder. Who cares? LOL Do you take your socks off during a SWer date? I know I don’t. There are probably lots of reasons why a girl would keep her toosies covered. Some likely have to do with hygiene. Check out the bottom of Tonya’s socks. See those large pieces of filth. Now look at the floor. Foot condoms, think of her socks as foot condoms. There is no way I’d walk bare foot on the floors in that spot. The Carlyle tain’t much better. I was raised to believe that public floors and showers floors were prime breeding areas for athletics feet. Socks don’t offer a lot of protection, maybe that’s the psychological connection. Psychologically, we think our socks offer protection from the filthy floors.

I’ve had a few girls take off their socks for pictures. I can understand that, especially if the girl has freshly manicured feet. I have never known a girl to take off her socks for a short stay fuck session that didn’t involve pictures. Why would she? It’s one least article to find and put on afterwards. It could be and probably is just that simple.

The same goes for hats, boots and spurs. LOL

CookyJar

Moose1968

11-01-09, 03:35

I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates.Ummm...maybe they inject into the veins in the feet instead of their arms. Some will inject between toes too. If they wont take the sock off in the bed, that raises red flags.

Member #5237

11-01-09, 04:07

LOL

Why would she? It’s one least article to find and put on afterwards. It could be and probably is just that simple.

The same goes for hats, boots and spurs. LOL

CookyJar

I once fucked a girl who kept her sunglasses on.....in the motel room........LMAO Looking back, I gained more from that then she did. She was a real weirdo.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 09:15

LOL

Supereloquent, I’ve an interesting question I’d like for you to ponder. Who cares? LOL Do you take your socks off during a SWer date? I know I don’t. There are probably lots of reasons why a girl would keep her toosies covered. Some likely have to do with hygiene. Check out the bottom of Tonya’s socks. See those large pieces of filth. Now look at the floor. Foot condoms, think of her socks as foot condoms. There is no way I’d walk bare foot on the floors in that spot. The Carlyle tain’t much better. I was raised to believe that public floors and showers floors were prime breeding areas for athletics feet. Socks don’t offer a lot of protection, maybe that’s the psychological connection. Psychologically, we think our socks offer protection from the filthy floors.

I’ve had a few girls take off their socks for pictures. I can understand that, especially if the girl has freshly manicured feet. I have never known a girl to take off her socks for a short stay fuck session that didn’t involve pictures. Why would she? It’s one least article to find and put on afterwards. It could be and probably is just that simple.

The same goes for hats, boots and spurs. LOL

CookyJar

For someone who "didn't care" about the question, you certainly had an awful lot to say about it.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 10:35

For someone who "didn't care" about the question, you certainly had an awful lot to say about it.

I was just offering my two cents. Certainly you wouldn’t deny me.

This is not the serious type of question I’ve come to expect from you. Ease up. We sometimes take ourselves too serious on this thread. It’s not rocket science. Sock psychology? Come on, admit it! It’s funny. Not funny he, he but funny Ha, ha.

(You didn’t mention anything about Foot fetishes. That’s a serious subject and I wouldn’t joke about it.)

Kissing, now that’s a juicy issue. I’m certain that there is lots of lecture on the subject of prostitution Kissing or the lack of it. Personally I’ve always questioned; why would a monger want to kiss a prostitute? There’s a question to ponder. The hygiene of these girls is always suspect. Why would a monger want to thrust his tongue into a mouth that was most likely filled with someone else’s’ cum since it’s last cleaning. (Think about this. Have you ever dug out a crumb of chicken from between your teeth hours after the meal?) I have had girls offer to kiss me; I grudgingly give them my cheek. Psychologically it may have something to do with the monger’s need for intimacy with the girl. And what about DATY? I understand that there are girls who don’t allow DATY. Why? And, ponder this: why would a monger want to eat the pussy of someone else’s cum piggy? Again! I am not putting anyone down.

Kissing, DATY or Sock psychology – whatever floats your boat? lol

CookyJar

Johnboy

11-01-09, 11:36

LOL

Supereloquent, I’ve an interesting question I’d like for you to ponder. Who cares? LOL Do you take your socks off during a SWer date? I know I don’t. There are probably lots of reasons why a girl would keep her toosies covered. Some likely have to do with hygiene. Check out the bottom of Tonya’s socks. See those large pieces of filth. Now look at the floor. Foot condoms, think of her socks as foot condoms. There is no way I’d walk bare foot on the floors in that spot. The Carlyle tain’t much better. I was raised to believe that public floors and showers floors were prime breeding areas for athletics feet. Socks don’t offer a lot of protection, maybe that’s the psychological connection. Psychologically, we think our socks offer protection from the filthy floors.

I’ve had a few girls take off their socks for pictures. I can understand that, especially if the girl has freshly manicured feet. I have never known a girl to take off her socks for a short stay fuck session that didn’t involve pictures. Why would she? It’s one least article to find and put on afterwards. It could be and probably is just that simple.

The same goes for hats, boots and spurs. LOL

CookyJarI could'nt agree with you more. I frequent the Camden area mostly and the notels in that area are less than cleanly. I doubt the sheets would pass a blacklight test let alone the floor. Alot of these girls stay in abandoned houses with trash, needles etc... on the floors where they sleep. They probably would'nt take their shoes off let alone socks. Even when they are in a nice room I would imagine that its a force of habit to leave them on.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 11:59

I was just offering my two cents. Certainly you wouldn’t deny me.

I didn't deny you a thing. I was just observing that you had a lot to say for someone who thought the question wasn't worth considering nor answering in the first place.

This is not the serious type of question I’ve come to expect from you. Ease up. We sometimes take ourselves too serious on this thread. It’s not rocket science. Sock psychology? Come on, admit it! It’s funny. Not funny he, he but funny Ha, ha.

You say that my bringing up the issue of "sock psychology" is "haha funny," but then say "we" take ourselves too seriously on this thread? The "we" must be you in this case. Ease up? I wasn't aware I was pressing anything. You are the one doing that. I just asked a simple question about socks. CRIPES! You are the one making a big deal out of it. All I did was make a one sentence reply to your sock tirade. As to "sock psychology," we all know that many SWs keep their socks on. I was merely speculating as to why. I know that different SWs and different mongers have a variety of opinions on this. Yours is not the only right one and case closed, no reason to have raised the question in the first place. It's as legitimate a question as anything else I have seen on this forum, serious or otherwise. I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any.

(You didn’t mention anything about Foot fetishes. That’s a serious subject and I wouldn’t joke about it.)

I did bring up the subject of foot fetishes by mongers VERY recently: an observation from Deep Throat. It IS a serious subject and worthy of discussion. So why didn't you comment about THAT one instead of socks?

Kissing, now that’s a juicy issue. I’m certain that there is lots of lecture on the subject of prostitution Kissing or the lack of it. Personally I’ve always questioned; why would a monger want to kiss a prostitute? There’s a question to ponder. The hygiene of these girls is always suspect. Why would a monger want to thrust his tongue into a mouth that was most likely filled with someone else’s’ cum since it’s last cleaning. (Think about this. Have you ever dug out a crumb of chicken from between your teeth hours after the meal?) I have had girls offer to kiss me; I grudgingly give them my cheek. Psychologically it may have something to do with the monger’s need for intimacy with the girl. And what about DATY? I understand that there are girls who don’t allow DATY. Why? And, ponder this: why would a monger want to eat the pussy of someone else’s cum piggy? Again! I am not putting anyone down.

Kissing, DATY or Sock psychology – whatever floats your boat? lol

I totally agree with you on that one. That is why I analogized the sock issue to the kissing issue. I think they are linked psychologically. As I fully admitted, I could be all wet. But I think both are legitimate psychological AND hygienic matters of contention to contemplate.

As for kissing, I would definitely never kiss a SWs feet, and I avoid the lips as well. Avoiding the pussy with my lips is a given. Avoiding lip kissing is somewhat hypocritical and puzzling from the standpoint of sanitation, because I have no problem placing my uncovered cock in a SWs mouth, and we all know where that has been. I would contend that the issue of a monger kissing a SW is primarily a psychological issue as well, even though there is some risk of disease transmission. But there is little more risk than in a BBBJ. DATY is a different thing altogether. The pussy is a much more likely source of disease, if there is any, and I definitely am not going anywhere near that with my mouth or my uncovered cock.

Davey1965

11-01-09, 12:25

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 13:20

Not that anyone gives a rat's ass. But while we are on socks and sw'ers, I caught a nasty foot fungus years ago in a notel and keep my socks on for all dates. A couple of girls whom have taken theirs off joked that I kept mine on and I told them why. The one girl was at our favorite 10 house and I told her she's nuts about walking on this floor bare footed. Also I always spray my shoes with a foot spray upon coming home from any of these
places.

We must give a "rat's ass" about the subject because we keep writing about it. I have never had a foot fungus for any reason; maybe I am naturally immune, because a lot of guys on my sports teams in high school and college got them regularly in the shower and from the locker room floor and I never did. Otherwise, I would probably have worn flip flops as many did. I guess I don't get why one would contract a foot fungus from a dry floor, even at the ten spot or any notel, and not from walking around barefoot outside. I believe you got it Davey, and have a good reason to keep your socks on. I suppose I would feel the same way if I ever got a fungus on my feet or a disease from a BBBJ, which I never have after too many years of mongering to count. Either might give me a good reason to keep my feet and my cock covered at all times.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 13:47

CJ's and Davey's recent replies to my semi-serious "socks" question caused me to think about a much more serious and relevant issue for our mongering hobby, and that is the degree to which we are exposing ourselves to possible diseases.

I don't know if there have been any serious studies done, or if there is data available from the CDC or other reliable source on this issue, but I would have the following questions for you mongers:

1. Have any of you contracted a disease of any kind from a SW and what were the circumstances? (If this is too personal to reveal, send me a PM. You will have to trust that I will keep the reply totally confidential even as to your SN identity on here.) I will simply admit here that this has never happened to me and I would guesstimate that I have been with well over 1500 different civis, SWs, escorts and women in massage parlors and brothels.

2. Are you personally aware from first hand discussion (not hearsay) with another monger of his contracting a disease from a SW and what were the circumstances? (The identity of the monger in question need not be revealed) As far as I am concerned I don't know one person this has happened to, although they may have been reluctant to admit it.

3. Are any mongers out there medical professionals and/or in a position to KNOW for a fact the risks of disease exposure from various forms of contact with SWs? I am not just talking about the fact that disease is a possibility, but the actual probabilities. (For example, what percentages of SWs have various types of diseases, and what are the percentage likelihoods you would contract them on a single exposure, if the SW is infected. Let unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse off the table because that is just plain nuts. Stick to kissing, DATY, BBBJ and the risks of protected vaginal and anal intercourse .)

4. Are there any credible university, hospital or scientific studies available on this subject? I will be looking for this as well. My search has only just begun.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 14:50

I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any.

Geeze! I bet you’re loads of fun at a party. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit warped.

I never said that, “Socks” weren’t a worthy topic for discussion. Funny maybe, a little off from the norm possibly, but certainly not unworthy. In fact, I am thinking of including the wearing of and the removal thereof of socks in all of my future SWer reviews. I will not go so far as to say that my choice of dates will be decided bases on the, “Psychology of the Sock.”

I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any.

Once again I have to say; raised the way I was, I’d never walked outside barefooted. Even on my grandmother farm, I was encouraged to keep my feet covered. Perhaps this too is psychological; I imagine the streets of Philadelphia as being covered with unseen germs, and everything from dog shit, human shit, piss, drunken throw-up, and whatever. And, that’s not to mention the broken glass bottles, trash and years of garbage and other filth and etc, etc and etc to be found on the streets. My mother would have killed me and sent my butt back to heaven if she’d ever caught my out barefoot in the street. I have to imagine that the penalty for walking barefoot in the $10 spot would have been worst.

To each his own.

I did bring up the subject of foot fetishes by mongers VERY recently: an observation from Deep Throat. It IS a serious subject and worthy of discussion. So why didn't you comment about THAT one instead of socks?

When I said you hadn’t mentioned the subject of “foot fetishes,” I was talking about that particular post. Your posts involving the subject “Deep Throat,” are very interesting to say the least. I have decided to stay away from that discussion.

Avoiding lip kissing is somewhat hypocritical and puzzling from the standpoint of sanitation, because I have no problem placing my uncovered cock in a SWs mouth,…

That’s not quite the same, is it? Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.

You know what, Supereloquent, I take it back. The “Sock Thing,” turned out to be very interesting after all. LOL

CookyJar

PS: Who said anything about kissing a SWer’s feet?

Member #5237

11-01-09, 15:12

[QUOTE=Supereloquent] I would guesstimate that I have been with well over 1500 different civis, SWs, escorts and women in massage parlors and brothels.

Over 1500 women, and you still have the strength to contribuate to this board. I thought I was a sex addict with the number of women I have been with ( about 10 % of your total ). Next to you I am just a newbie. HIGH FIVE!!

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 15:27

Over 1500 women, and you still have the strength to contribute to this board. I thought I was a sex addict with the number of women I have been with ( about 10 % of your total ). Next to you I am just a newbie. HIGH FIVE!!

I fully admit my sexual addiction; my guess would be that most regular mongers in this forum are similarly afflicted. I can almost never get enough sex or enough different women. Sometimes I wonder if it is a blessing or a curse, but I have absolutely no desire to be cured. My only lame excuse is that it is better in my mind than other more harmful addictions such as drugs or alcohol. Perhaps only an addiction to food would be considered less harmful, but that is debatable as well.

Crazy Jim Wood

11-01-09, 15:37

CookyJar

11-01-09, 15:56

We must give a "rat's ass"…
Either might give me a good reason to keep my feet and my cock covered at all times.

Just a suggestion. Don’t wait until you get something to be cautious.

I am diabetic. An infection from a shard of glass, or wood fragment from this floor could end up with my having a serious limb.

Have you ever taken a serious look at this floor? I wouldn’t walk barefoot on this floor using your feet. LOL

(Hope you don’t mind my posting these picture in you thread. The subject suddenly took on some real importance. I wouldn’t want other monger taking unnecessary chances. I’ll delete them if you want.)

CookyJar

Cephlapod Love

11-01-09, 16:09

She is smart, is not a drug user (although there is no definitive way to prove such), uses a computer, is an avid reader of this forum, has a distinctive perspective, and exhibits a writing style that shows a better command of the English language than many of the mongers on here.

Goodness! Sounds like a keeper and someone I'd love to get to know!

Always like treating a lady well and if she's got smarts then the experience is usually better.

If she's interested in expanding her group of friends...

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 16:23

Geeze! I bet you’re loads of fun at a party. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit warped.

Yes, I am a lot of fun at a party. I hear that all the time. You are the one that picked away at what I had to say. If you thought what you had to say was "funny," then I missed something in the inflection. I don't remember pissing and moaning about what you post, even in jest, except in reaction to the flame wars you like to instigate. CJ, I respect much of what you have to post and say, but you can be a self-righteous opinionated pain in the ass. Maybe it takes one to know one, but I am not usually the one casting the first stone. If I read something that you write with which I disagree, I normally keep it to myself, and reserve being on offense for the real idiots in this forum. But defensively, all bets are off.

I never said that, “Socks” weren’t a worthy topic for discussion. Funny maybe, a little off from the norm possibly, but certainly not unworthy. In fact, I am thinking of including the wearing of and the removal thereof of socks in all of my future SWer reviews. I will not go so far as to say that my choice of dates will be decided bases on the, “Psychology of the Sock.”

At least it was very clear in these comments that your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek.

Once again I have to say; raised the way I was, I’d never walked outside barefooted. Even on my grandmother farm, I was encouraged to keep my feet covered. Perhaps this too is psychological; I imagine the streets of Philadelphia as being covered with unseen germs, and everything from dog shit, human shit, piss, drunken throw-up, and whatever. And, that’s not to mention the broken glass bottles, trash and years of garbage and other filth and etc, etc and etc to be found on the streets. My mother would have killed me and sent my butt back to heaven if she’d ever caught my out barefoot in the street. I have to imagine that the penalty for walking barefoot in the $10 spot would have been worst.

To each his own.

Yes, you say po-tay-toe and I say po-tah-toe. I still have never gotten a foot disease of any kind in my entire life.

When I said you hadn’t mentioned the subject of “foot fetishes,” I was talking about that particular post. Your posts involving the subject “Deep Throat,” are very interesting to say the least. I have decided to stay away from that discussion.

That's nice to hear, especially if you didn't have anything useful or positive to add or contribute.

That’s not quite the same, is it? Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.

So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?

Wikipedia may not be the sole source of knowledge on everything but here's what it has to say on the subject, and this is an unaltered direct quote which you can check out:

"Many STDs are (more easily) transmitted through the mucous membranes of the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract and (less often - depending on type of infection)[citation needed] the mouth, throat, respiratory tract and eyes. The visible membrane covering the head of the penis is a mucous membrane, though it produces no mucus (similar to the lips of the mouth). Mucous membranes differ from skin in that they allow certain pathogens into the body."

That kind of throws a little cold water on the medical degree you received on the difference between the penis and the fingers and the mouth. Two of them are mucous membranes.

Here's some more from Wikipedia to consider: "Although mucous membranes exist in the mouth as in the genitals, many STIs seem to be easier to transmit through oral sex than through deep kissing."

So much for your BJ vs.kissing theories, CJ.

As far as other disease transmissions: TB is not spread by kissing (look it up), and one has to be susceptible to catch TB in the first place. Many hospital workers are in daily close contact with TB patients and do not contract the disease. You are also just as likely to catch a cold or other virus through your penis as any other place. Wherever there is liquid infective contact to mucous membranes (yes, CJ, that includes the so-called "protected" penis) there is a possibility of disease transmission. If you can get the flu from touching a door knob that has been touched by an infected person, and then placing it near your eyes, nose or mouth, you can be damn sure that putting your cock directly into the mouth of an infected person is a much greater risk.

Having said all of this, I haven't had as much as a cold since I was in Junior High. So it would not appear that any of my mucous membranes are at very much risk due to a fortunate immunity. Like I said, there are still risks, but the perceived differences, I think, between kissing and BBBJs are primarily psychological.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 16:27

Goodness! Sounds like a keeper and someone I'd love to get to know!

Always like treating a lady well and if she's got smarts then the experience is usually better.

If she's interested in expanding her group of friends...

The primary Deep Throat (there are several) has a pretty face and a nice bod, and I have her digits as well. But I would have to ask her if she wanted them shared, especially with exposure to others that her identity is that of Deep Throat. Such a revelation would be totally up to her as I have promised to protect her identity.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 17:02

Many porn actors also wear socks. I always wondered if it was because their feet get cold hanging out on the set, or if because they (female ones) look more aestehically pleasing in their socks. Now I wonder if there could be a third possiblity, if they did it to avoid direct contact with the dirty floor.

I think if I was ever to play in a porn film I would wear socks because otherwise worrying about cold feet or wondering if my feet are ugly on camera would cause me to lose my erection. Don't think foot fungus worries would enter my mind though.

Fungus worries do not concern me, but, then again, I never had one, and I played outside barefoot (by choice) most of my childhood. I still walk around the house and outside barefoot, and often prefer the freedom and air circulation to socks and shoes.

But, the idea of aesthetics is an interesting one. The feet are the ugliest part of the body and I would imagine many porn actors cover their feet for that reason. However, I wouldn't imagine most SWs do it for this reason. Most have far more important aesthetic problems to address than whether their feet are ugly.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 18:06

So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?

Wrong again. What I said was: You (the monger) are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you (the monger) have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases.

I mentioned STDs? I don’t remember mentioning STDs. I’ll go back and check. Nope! I didn’t see anything I said in reference to STDs. It stands to reason that sexually transmitted diseases would be more likely passed on though a sexual act involving the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract.(You needed Wikipedia for that?) But we were not discussing STDs now were we? I thought the subject was socks, kissing and walking barefoot. The mentioning of blow jobs was only in relationship to kissing, STDs were never mentioned.

We’re not talking po-tay-toe or po-tah-toe. It’s apples and oranges. You’ve chosen to debate my comments on oranges with facts about apples. We’ve developed an resistance to TB in this country. That’s a fact. TB is now and always has been an airborne disease. (Actually there is more than one way to transmit TB.)

I thought you wanted to have some fun and laughs about socks. You are looking for an argument and a fight.

I’m sorry, I am not interested.

CookyJar

PS: For a guy whose never had VD (that’s what old school guys call STDs) you know an awful lot.

Squonk64

11-01-09, 18:21

I am with you, CJ. I haven't mongered in Philly for years (decades?) but I have spent enough time in $10 rooms to know you are correct, and, frankly, I think you are being a bit reserved in your opinion.

In Baltimore, DC, Richmond, Orlando, Ventura, Minneapolis, San Antonio, Peoria, ...heck, even Hagerstown, MD... I have been warned by SWs to NOT TAKE MY SHOES OFF because of the risk of stray needles, and such. That seems to be a pretty consistent theme, regardless of location. While most SWs could care less about me and my health, around 5% warn me that the conditions are far worse than they appear.

Apparently, these $10 rooms are either: 1) that lady's true residence, and the $10 per date actually pays her rent, or 2) where some other lady lives, with the $10 going to pay her rent. Either way, the $10 room is where some serious drug addict lives, and looking at the decrepit conditions we all see in those rooms, we all know that's true.

The warning is, and this might be hard to believe, things are actually worse than they appear.

Yes, I am a lot of fun at a party. I hear that all the time. You are the one that picked away at what I had to say. If you thought what you had to say was "funny," then I missed something in the inflection. I don't remember pissing and moaning about what you post, even in jest, except in reaction to the flame wars you like to instigate. CJ, I respect much of what you have to post and say, but you can be a self-righteous opinionated pain in the ass. Maybe it takes one to know one, but I am not usually the one casting the first stone. If I read something that you write with which I disagree, I normally keep it to myself, and reserve being on offense for the real idiots in this forum. But defensively, all bets are off.

At least it was very clear in these comments that your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek.

Yes, you say po-tay-toe and I say po-tah-toe. I still have never gotten a foot disease of any kind in my entire life.

That's nice to hear, especially if you didn't have anything useful or positive to add or contribute.

So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?

Wikipedia may not be the sole source of knowledge on everything but here's what it has to say on the subject, and this is an unaltered direct quote which you can check out:

"Many STDs are (more easily) transmitted through the mucous membranes of the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract and (less often - depending on type of infection)[citation needed] the mouth, throat, respiratory tract and eyes. The visible membrane covering the head of the penis is a mucous membrane, though it produces no mucus (similar to the lips of the mouth). Mucous membranes differ from skin in that they allow certain pathogens into the body."

That kind of throws a little cold water on the medical degree you received on the difference between the penis and the fingers and the mouth. Two of them are mucous membranes.

Here's some more from Wikipedia to consider: "Although mucous membranes exist in the mouth as in the genitals, many STIs seem to be easier to transmit through oral sex than through deep kissing."

So much for your BJ vs.kissing theories, CJ.

As far as other disease transmissions: TB is not spread by kissing (look it up), and one has to be susceptible to catch TB in the first place. Many hospital workers are in daily close contact with TB patients and do not contract the disease. You are also just as likely to catch a cold or other virus through your penis as any other place. Wherever there is liquid infective contact to mucous membranes (yes, CJ, that includes the so-called "protected" penis) there is a possibility of disease transmission. If you can get the flu from touching a door knob that has been touched by an infected person, and then placing it near your eyes, nose or mouth, you can be damn sure that putting your cock directly into the mouth of an infected person is a much greater risk.

Having said all of this, I haven't had as much as a cold since I was in Junior High. So it would not appear that any of my mucous membranes are at very much risk due to a fortunate immunity. Like I said, there are still risks, but the perceived differences, I think, between kissing and BBBJs are primarily psychological.

Member #5237

11-01-09, 19:02

Just a suggestion. Don’t wait until you get something to be cautious.

I am diabetic. An infection from a shard of glass, or wood fragment from this floor could end up with my having a serious limb.

Have you ever taken a serious look at this floor? I wouldn’t walk barefoot on this floor using your feet. LOL

(Hope you don’t mind my posting these picture in you thread. The subject suddenly took on some real importance. I wouldn’t want other monger taking unnecessary chances. I’ll delete them if you want.)

CookyJar

HOLY FUCK!!!...........Not only is the floor disgusting, but what is splattered on the walls? And the scale............I wouldn`t put pig food on there to be weighed. There is no way I could ever go into that place fully clothed.....let alone get buck naked and somehow manage to keep an erection.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 19:25

Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.?

ALL WET, CJ. The head of the penis is a mucous membrane. It's not "protected" nor is the "pee hole" all you have to worry about. It's the whole damn head. It allows the passage of pathogens. There are lots of "nasty little bugs" you can catch with your penis and it is hardly the same risk as "placing your hands in a girl's mouth." My point is not that I don't assume this risk, because I do. But there is risk both from kissing and BBBJs, and to boldly say that kissing is a greater risk is misinformation, because it ISN'T!

Wrong again. What I said was: You (the monger) are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you (the monger) have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases.

The same is true in reverse and THAT was MY point (not yours). If a SW has a cavity, bleeding gums, a cut in the mouth, an open sore, you are at as much risk sticking your cock in there as your tongue.

I mentioned STDs? I don’t remember mentioning STDs. I’ll go back and check. Nope! I didn’t see anything I said in reference to STDs.

MY point was that the ORAL risk of transmitting an STD is higher with a BBBJ than kissing. I thought that was worthy mentioning, even if you didn't.

I thought you wanted to have some fun and laughs about socks. You are looking for an argument and a fight.

I’m sorry, I am not interested.

You are not interested because you are WRONG. A BBBJ is not and never will be less risky than kissing, ESPECIALLY with regard to the oral transmission of STDs, but it also applies to the transmission of ANY disease. Your statement that a penis is at no more risk than your finger in the mouth of a SW is absolutely, ridiculously and obtusely DUMB.

PS: For a guy whose never had VD (that’s what old school guys call STDs) you know an awful lot.

It doesn't take much to know that a penis is different from a finger.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 19:36

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 20:07

The reactions from Deep Throat (all 5 of them) were all over the map on this subject.

One maintains that she gets cold feet (even in the summer).

One agrees with the psychology theory, even though she tells clients who ask that it is a force of habit.

One usually wears longer socks and uses them as her piggy bank.

One says the floors in many places are nasty, dirty, whatever (in one place there was a stem on a "freshly made" bed, so she says imagine what could be on the floor, maybe a shattered stem that would give you a nasty infection). Even in nicer notels it was just force of habit.

One didn't really know. She was just more comfy in her socks.

So I don't know that this provides any closure on the issue other than to say there are a lot of different reasons and probably a few more.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 20:16

MY point was that the ORAL risk of transmitting an STD is higher with a BBBJ than kissing. I thought that was worthy mentioning, even if you didn't.

Yes it's is worth mentioning. But it still wasn't part or the orginal debate. That's what you implied. Now you're trying to turn things around and make me out as some type of bad guy or idiot.

You keep twisting and turning. What I said as I said it wholes true. Everything I said as I said it wholes true. The god given penis originally was protected by a foreskin. No it doesn’t protect against STDs. I never said that. Show me where I said anything about STDs prior to your bringing them up.

Just because you say something doesn’t make it so.

CookyJar

Tha X Facta

11-01-09, 20:57

Supereloquent:
I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates. I had/have some theories about this.......

CookieJar:
This is not the serious type of question I’ve come to expect from you. Ease up. We sometimes take ourselves too serious on this thread. It’s not rocket science. Sock psychology? Come on, admit it! It’s funny. Not funny he, he but funny Ha, ha
OMG CJ, she has no socks!

"I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about socks, not fckin, not fckin, not a piece of pussy, but we're talking about socks.
Not the pussy that I go out there and fck; and fck like it's my last, but we're talking about socks man. How silly is that?"

(I couldn't help myself) :D

X Out

Via DC

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 21:05

You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked.

WRONG!

If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution?

WRONG AGAIN!

Now you're trying to turn things around and make me out as some type of bad guy or idiot.

You are doing that just fine with your own words.

What I said as I said it wholes true. Everything I said as I said it wholes true.

I don't need to make you out as an idiot. I know the difference between "wholes" and "holds."

The god given penis originally was protected by a foreskin. No it doesn’t protect against STDs. I never said that. Show me where I said anything about STDs prior to your bringing them up.

No, you said that "If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution?" A statement analogizing the risk of your hands and penis in a girl's mouth as the SAME risk is as dumb as a post no matter how you look at it.

Just because you say something doesn’t make it so

That goes double for you.

Know One

11-01-09, 21:10

Below is some information I recently found about Chamydia that surprised me a little. Even if you think you have never had anything it is a good idea to be test occasionally.

The San Francisco City Clinic has a lot of great information on all the bad bugs you should be concerned about.

Chlamydia
Chlamydia (cla-mid-ee-ah) is a Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) caused by a type of
bacteria called Chlamydia trachomatis. Chlamydia can infect men, women, and children. It is
passed from one person to another during vaginal, anal and oral sex.
How is Chlamydia spread?
Chlamydia is passed from one person to another during vaginal, anal, and oral sex. It can
also be spread to the eyes by touching fluids from the vagina or penis and then touching
your eyes. Babies of infected mothers can get eye and lung infections during delivery.
What do I look for?
Men:
· Discharge from the urethra or the anus
· Pain or itching of the head of the penis
· Pain with urination
50% of infected men have no symptoms
Women:
· Pain and itching of the vulva or vagina
· Discharge from the vagina
· Unusual bleeding from the vagina, or the anus
· Pain with urination
· Pain when having sex
80% of infected women have no symptoms
Symptoms may appear within 30 days of infection but then will go away. The infected person
remains infected and can pass chlamydia to a sex partner. If you are sexually active, see your
doctor regularly to be tested for chlamydia and other STDs.
If you contracted Chlamydia from anal sex and you do not know the HIV status of that
sexual partner, you should be concerned about your increased risk of HIV. Talk to your
clinician.
For a STD check-up or treatment,
see your doctor, local clinic, or come to:
City Clinic
356 Seventh Street
(between Folsom and Harrison)
San Francisco, CA 94103
(415)487-5500
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/
Developed by San Francisco City Clinic (415) 487-5500 revised 2/2/2005

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 21:27

Below is some information I recently found about Chlamydia that surprised me a little. Even if you think you have never had anything it is a good idea to be tested occasionally.

Your information source said that 50% of men and 80% of women have no symptoms.

According to the CDC: up to 90% of both men and women have no symptoms.

Also according to the CDC:

"If untreated, chlamydial infections can progress to serious reproductive and other health problems with both short-term and long-term consequences. Like the disease itself, the damage that chlamydia causes is often "silent."

In women, untreated infection can spread into the uterus or fallopian tubes and cause pelvic inflammatory disease (PID). This happens in up to 40 percent of women with untreated chlamydia. PID can cause permanent damage to the fallopian tubes, uterus, and surrounding tissues. The damage can lead to chronic pelvic pain, infertility, and potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy (pregnancy outside the uterus). Women infected with chlamydia are up to five times more likely to become infected with HIV, if exposed.

Complications among men are rare. Infection sometimes spreads to the epididymis (the tube that carries sperm from the testis), causing pain, fever, and, rarely, sterility."

I have to get tested for a broad panel of STDs semi-annually as a condition of a very high limits life insurance policy that I hold as part of a buy/sell agreement with my business partners. I have never tested positive, but I am aware that one should ideally be tested at least annually for chlamydia if sexually active with multiple sex partners (I think regular mongers qualify).

CookyJar

11-01-09, 21:36

My original premise is still true. You are more likely to catch an infection from kissing. You tried to make an issue with STDs. Kissing is not, IMHO, a sexual act, by its self. It does not take a genius to figure this one out. There are more air borne infectious diseases than there are STDs.

You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.

Infectious Diseases in Saliva

Infectious diseases are spread through several routes of transmission. “Oral transmission” refers to spreading of microbes through saliva, foods or drinks. When a person accidentally consumes microbe-contaminated items, such as saliva during kissing, the swallowing action of the tongue wipes the microbes against the back of the throat, allowing the microbe to enter the body. Infections, such as mononucleosis (the kissing disease), caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and cytomegalovirus (CMV) are spread via oral transmission from virus-containing saliva.

Other infectious microbes that spread through saliva do so by sticking to the inner surface of the cheeks and mouth, the tongue, or teeth. An example is the bacterium Streptococcus, which can cause an array of infections, including gum disease and strep throat.

An important thing to keep in mind is that the surfaces of the respiratory tract (nose, mouth, and throat) are continuous and made up of similar tissues. As a result, microbes that are found in the saliva can generally be found in other parts of the respiratory tract, including the nose and throat. Therefore, even colds and flus (and other respiratory infections) can potentially be spread through the saliva.

Infectious Diseases from Mouth Sores Cold sores

Cold sores are caused by Herpes Simplex Virus-1 (HSV-1). In contrast to infections spread through the saliva, HSV-1 is spread through open cold sores on the lips or near the mouth. Although the infection is contagious through all stages of a cold sore, the infection is most contagious when the sore is open and leaking fluid.

Hand, foot, and mouth disease

Hand, foot, and mouth disease, caused by Coxsackie virus, is another infectious disease that is spread through open sores in the mouth.

How is TB Spread?

It is spread through the air (by coughing) from person to person.

CookyJar

PS: Thanks for the whole/hold heads-up. I hate when that happens.

Know One

11-01-09, 22:21

Your information source said that 50% of men and 80% of women have no symptoms.

According to the CDC: up to 90% of both men and women have no symptoms...

Cool, good stuff. Did you check this out. The last number is infection rates per 100,000. Remind me to stay away from DC.

State/Area Cases Rates per 100,000 Population
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Alabama 14,209 13,314 17,109 22,915 25,153 315.7 293.9 375.4 498.3 546.9
Alaska 3,900 3,954 4,355 4,525 4,911 601.1 603.3 656.2 675.3 732.9
Arizona 12,819 16,786 21,264 24,090 24,866 229.7 292.2 358.0 390.7 403.3
Arkansas 7,856 7,864 8,507 8,259 9,954 288.2 285.7 306.1 293.8 354.1
California 117,428 122,197 130,716 135,827 141,928 330.9 340.4 361.8 372.6 389.3
Colorado 13,039 14,151 15,432 16,313 17,186 286.5 307.5 330.8 343.2 361.6
Connecticut 9,393 9,552 11,039 10,946 11,454 269.7 272.6 314.5 312.3 326.8
Delaware 3,035 2,954 3,392 3,615 3,479 371.3 355.7 402.1 423.6 407.6
District of Columbia 3,168 3,493 3,678 3,368 6,029 561.4 631.0 668.1 579.2 1,036.7 -WOW
Florida 42,382 42,554 43,372 48,955 57,575 249.0 244.6 243.8 270.6 318.3
Georgia 35,686 34,280 33,562 38,972 42,913 410.9 388.2 369.9 416.2 458.3
Hawaii 5,480 5,307 5,489 5,548 5,659 435.7 420.2 430.4 431.6 440.2
Idaho 2,366 2,784 2,799 3,345 3,722 173.2 199.8 195.9 228.1 253.8
Illinois 48,294 47,185 50,559 53,586 55,470 381.7 371.1 396.1 417.6 432.3
Indiana 17,075 18,440 20,063 19,859 20,712 275.6 295.6 319.9 314.5 328.1
Iowa 6,491 6,956 7,390 8,390 8,643 220.5 235.4 249.1 281.3 289.8
Kansas 7,249 7,493 7,419 7,829 8,180 266.2 273.9 270.3 283.2 295.9
Kentucky 7,981 6,470 8,351 8,940 8,798 193.8 156.1 200.1 212.5 209.2
Louisiana 20,970 21,837 17,227 17,885 19,362 466.4 483.6 380.8 417.1 451.6
Maine 2,030 2,113 2,254 2,306 2,541 155.5 160.4 170.6 174.5 192.3
Maryland 16,831 19,952 18,291 21,859 23,150 305.5 359.0 326.6 389.2 412.2
Massachusetts 11,301 13,242 14,411 15,394 16,145 175.7 206.4 225.2 239.1 250.8
Michigan 32,572 41,246 38,730 36,753 37,353 323.1 407.9 382.7 364.0 370.0
Minnesota 10,714 11,602 12,189 12,935 13,413 211.8 227.4 237.5 250.3 259.6
Mississippi 12,193 18,863 21,268 19,002 21,686 423.2 649.8 728.1 652.9 745.1
Missouri 18,570 21,319 22,371 22,982 23,308 325.5 370.5 385.7 393.3 398.9
Montana 2,547 2,608 2,400 2,650 2,748 277.6 281.4 256.5 280.5 290.9
Nebraska 4,739 5,238 5,098 5,428 5,132 272.5 299.8 289.9 307.0 290.2
Nevada 5,830 6,690 7,321 8,398 9,514 260.1 286.5 303.2 336.5 381.2
New Hampshire 1,616 1,736 1,842 1,997 2,055 125.5 133.6 140.6 151.9 156.3
New Jersey 16,169 17,448 19,152 20,194 21,536 187.2 200.6 219.7 231.5 246.8
New Mexico 7,480 9,035 8,456 9,829 9,460 399.0 474.7 438.5 502.9 484.0
New York 57,222 59,097 63,966 68,720 80,717 298.2 307.4 332.2 355.9 418.1
North Carolina 26,187 28,967 31,183 33,615 30,611 311.5 339.1 359.1 379.6 345.6
North Dakota 1,655 1,810 1,667 1,820 1,789 261.1 285.3 261.8 286.2 281.3
Ohio 42,522 39,379 43,806 40,106 47,434 371.8 343.7 382.1 349.4 413.3
Oklahoma 11,013 10,366 13,407 12,992 12,529 313.6 294.2 377.9 363.0 350.0
Oregon 7,688 8,690 9,018 9,577 9,849 216.0 241.8 247.7 258.8 266.1
Pennsylvania 37,291 38,025 37,261 39,487 42,469 301.6 306.5 299.8 317.4 341.4
Rhode Island 3,000 3,442 3,269 3,142 3,177 278.8 318.5 303.8 294.3 297.6
South Carolina 14,623 18,423 18,296 22,351 26,431 352.6 438.8 430.0 517.2 611.7
South Dakota 2,608 2,532 2,701 2,633 2,620 341.2 328.5 348.1 336.7 335.1
Tennessee 20,380 22,515 23,084 25,320 26,866 348.9 381.5 387.1 419.3 444.9
Texas 69,200 70,232 71,860 75,543 85,786 312.9 312.3 314.3 321.4 364.9
Utah 3,893 3,857 4,602 5,092 5,721 165.6 161.4 186.3 199.7 224.3
Vermont 1,060 1,137 957 1,191 1,057 171.2 183.0 153.6 190.9 169.4
Virginia 19,439 21,635 22,668 24,087 24,579 263.2 290.0 299.5 315.2 321.6
Washington 16,797 17,635 18,616 17,819 18,784 273.9 284.3 296.1 278.6 293.7
West Virginia 2,585 2,758 2,944 2,910 3,168 142.8 151.9 162.0 160.0 174.2
Wisconsin 17,942 19,217 20,461 20,190 19,555 327.9 348.8 369.6 363.4 351.9
Wyoming 960 1,082 1,173 1,422 1,197 191.5 213.6 230.3 276.1 232.4
U.S. TOTAL 877,478 929,462 976,445 1,030,911 1,108,374 301.7 316.5 329.4 344.3 370.2
Northeast 139,082 145,792 154,151 163,377 181,151 255.7 267.2 282.1 298.5 330.9
Midwest 210,431 222,417 232,454 232,511 243,609 321.7 338.4 352.4 351.1 367.9
South 327,738 346,477 358,199 390,588 428,069 313.5 327.0 333.2 358.1 392.4
West 200,227 214,776 231,641 244,435 255,545 301.2 318.6 339.2 352.4 368.5
Guam 554 748 807 832 822 338.6 450.4 478.7 486.5 480.6
Puerto Rico 2,746 3,588 3,714 5,102 7,909 70.8 92.1 94.9 129.9 201.3
Virgin Islands 416 303 235 203 348 382.3 278.6 216.2 186.9 320.4
OUTLYING AREAS 3,716 4,639 4,756 6,137 9,079 89.5 111.3 113.5 145.8 215.8
TOTAL 881,194 934,101 981,201 1,037,048 1,117,453 298.7 313.6 326.4 341.6 368.1

I do have to say the SF Clinic is soo much cooler than the CDC. They're like having a doctor who knows you're a monger.

Know One

11-01-09, 22:24

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 22:46

My original premise is still true. You are more likely to catch an infection from kissing.

Not necessarily. Whatever you can catch through your lips and tongue from infected saliva you can catch through your penis. Granted, some things are more easily caught one way or the other. But some pretty nasty things (like STDs and others) are more likely to be caught from oral sex than kissing.

The CDC says that, in fact, the illnesses commonly transmitted by kissing, including mono, have a minimal impact on overall health, while the illnesses potentially transmitted through oral sex can have a much longer term and damaging effect. Herpes simplex (HSV-1) seems to be an equal opportunity virus than can be spread both by kissing and oral sex. But the downside of transmission through oral sex is that you then have HSV-1 of your genitals, rather than just cold sores on your mouth!

Infectious Diseases in Saliva

When a person accidentally consumes microbe-contaminated items, such as saliva during kissing, the swallowing action of the tongue wipes the microbes against the back of the throat, allowing the microbe to enter the body. Infections, such as mononucleosis (the kissing disease), caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and cytomegalovirus (CMV) are spread via oral transmission from virus-containing saliva.

You are right regarding mono, because, it can be transmitted by oral sex but it is much more likely to be transmitted by kissing, hence called the "kissing disease." However, the physical mechanisms by which certain herpes family viruses such as CMV, enter someone’s body and infects him or her are still not fully understood. It certainly can be transmitted both by kissing and oral sex, but the relative dangers are not clear cut.

Other than mono there aren't any serious infections that are "more readily" transmitted by kissing than oral sex. And mono itself is considered a disease which has a relatively small impact on one's total and long-term health.

More from the CDC: Chlamydia of the throat is so rare that you do not even need to worry about it. There is still a lot of debate in the scientific community about whether chlamydia of the throat or larynx is even possible.

Gonorrhea of the throat is possible, but not at all common. There aren't any hard statistics on the risk, but it is very low. Gonorrhea of the throat can be passed by deep kissing - but, again, the risk is low. Many cases of throat gonorrhea are asymptomatic, so people don't even know they have it (you have to get a throat swab to detect it). Without treatment, throat gonorrhea typically goes away by itself in 2-3 weeks. That is not so if gonorrhea is transmitted from the throat to the genitals through oral sex.

The bottom line mongers is that the biggest risk of oral sex with SWs is HSV-1. Unfortunately this can be transmitted even when there are no obvious symptoms.

I am fortunately one of those people who is relatively immune from viruses of most types, including colds, flus and cold sores. I had a few colds as a kid, but I have never contracted the flu or had a cold sore. That doesn't mean I am home free, but it is better than the alternative.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 22:51

I'm hanging them up until this whole H1N1 thing is over!

You can get H1N1 just as easily from oral sex as from kissing. But then just being near an infected SW is a risk. I was exposed to 10 people with it at one office I frequent, and I didn't get it yet.

Supereloquent

11-01-09, 22:55

Cool, good stuff. Did you check this out. The last number is infection rates per 100,000. Remind me to stay away from DC.

Unless you plan to have unprotected vaginal sex there is no worry. Chlamydia of the throat is doubted to even EXIST by the scientific and health community. The one thing to worry about DC is, however, that the contraction of chlamydia by a female makes her 5 times as susceptible for HIV!

Know One

11-01-09, 23:28

...

I am fortunately one of those people who is relatively immune from viruses of most types, including colds, flus and cold sores. I had a few colds as a kid, but I have never contracted the flu or had a cold sore. That doesn't mean I am home free, but it is better than the alternative.

How about the common cold? I guess I won't be picking you in my monger death pool.

Question:

So the way you are reading the information on Chlamydia is that there is 0% chance of male infection from a BBBJ? I didn't read it that way but it seems open to interpretation. I guess it depends upon the existence of throat infections.

CookyJar

11-01-09, 23:44

The CDC says that, in fact…

I take everything that I get from the internet with a grain of salt.

For some reason, I doubly do not truth what I hear from the CDC. Most of what they pass on is good information. And, I don’t believe they’ve every purposely held back information that would hurt people. However, they often have their own agenda.

Here is another question to ponder. Which sex act is most likely to pass on the HIV virus? We have all ready determined that oral sex is less likely to pass on the disease. The CDC, to my knowledge has never publicly acknowledged the most lethal form of spreading the disease sexually. While they have gone out of their way to point out the connections between intravenous drug use and HIV, they have omitted another highly lethal form of passing the disease around. Why? Because in the USA, one of the jobs of the CDC is to protect us from ourselves. They don’t want to start a panic or a similar form of public crisis. So what is the most lethal sex act, when it comes to HIV? I am going to go out on a limb, here. My guess is; Anal.

To my knowledge the CDC does not run TV ads covering the anal sex act and HIV. That’s why I don’t fully trust the CDC.

CookyJar

CookyJar

11-02-09, 00:01

Can I get HIV from anal sex?

Yes. In fact, unprotected (without a condom) anal sex (intercourse) is considered to be very risky behavior. It is possible for either sex partner to become infected with HIV during anal sex. HIV can be found in the blood, semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus. In general, the person receiving the semen is at greater risk of getting HIV because the lining of the rectum is thin and may allow the virus to enter the body during anal sex. However, a person who inserts his penis into an infected partner also is at risk because HIV can enter through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts, abrasions, or open sores on the penis.

Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV. If people choose to have anal sex, they should use a latex condom. Most of the time, condoms work well. However, condoms are more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex. Thus, even with a condom, anal sex can be risky. A person should use generous amounts of water-based lubricant in addition to the condom to reduce the chances of the condom breaking.

(Why haven't I ever heard this on "Action News.")

CookyJar

PS:

Supereloquent

11-02-09, 00:30

How about the common cold? I guess I won't be picking you in my monger death pool.

I haven't had even one episode of the common cold since Junior High. I am just lucky that way.

Question:

So the way you are reading the information on Chlamydia is that there is 0% chance of male infection from a BBBJ? I didn't read it that way but it seems open to interpretation. I guess it depends upon the existence of throat infections.

I suppose that there isn't a 0% chance of much in this world, but scientists are pretty much in agreement that chlamydia of the throat or larynx is either extremely rare or doesn't even exist, so I don't think it is going to keep me awake nights worrying about contracting it from a BBBJ.

The same is somewhat true for gonorrhea of the throat. It happens but it is rare and goes away in a few weeks. The danger is contracting it during those few weeks. If you get it in the throat (like from kissing an infected woman), most times there will be no symptoms and it will also go away in a few weeks. But if you get it from oral sex, you will pretty much suffer as if you caught it from intercourse and you will probably notice the typical symptoms, which are painful, and most likely will desire to seek a cure, which, fortunately, is rather straight forward antibiotic treatment.

Supereloquent

11-02-09, 00:49

For some reason, I doubly do not truth what I hear from the CDC. Most of what they pass on is good information. And, I don’t believe they’ve every purposely held back information that would hurt people. However, they often have their own agenda.

To my knowledge the CDC does not run TV ads covering the anal sex act and HIV. That’s why I don’t fully trust the CDC.

If you don't "truth" (trust?) the CDC then why did you quote WORD FOR WORD what the CDC had to say on its official website regarding "Can I get HIV from anal sex?"

CookyJar

11-02-09, 06:39

If you don't "truth" (trust?) the CDC then why did you quote WORD FOR WORD what the CDC had to say on its official website regarding "Can I get HIV from anal sex?"

My point exactly. Why hasn’t the facts about anal sex been advertised in the same manner as HIV and intravenous drug use. It’s just a guess, but I’d think HIV has been spread more by the practice of unprotected anal sex than by intravenous drug use.

CookyJar

CookyJar

11-02-09, 06:46

Another question to ponder: How many mongers inspect their used condom? (Especially after anal sex.)

CookyJar

Ssssbadboyssss

11-02-09, 07:28

I think 3 pages of bickering are enough, can we all agree on these things

1. Sex with an SW is as fun as it is dangerous

2. We can all have bad things ang good things happen from the pursuit of sex with SW's

3. Nothing said here is gonna stop anyone from doing as such.

Super, Cooky, you guys agree 90% of the time, there's no sense in two "Titans" on the board arguing, it just shakes the world apart. Hopefully we can agree to disagree and this whole flare up can be ancient history. The more we argue the less we achieve as a whole.

Armistice?
BadBoy

Mythbuster

11-02-09, 10:27

I think 3 pages of bickering are enough, can we all agree on these things?

Armistice?

BadBoyNot just when it was getting good. We might get to see these guys really raise thier game. I have to give super the early edge. I mean 7 cups in one day and he never gets sick! Better keep an eye on that CJ though he's crafty!

I do have a question for the deep throat. Are they seeing more gonzo acts being asked for? It seems like anal and DP are a requirement in porn these days and somebody has to be watching that stuff. How about customers? Are they cheaper now because of the recession?

Supereloquent

11-02-09, 10:48

I will quote this monger's PM word for word (with grammar editing only; OK, call me the grammar Nazi), but never reveal his identity, as I promised:

"Hey Super, you're one lucky SOB! I've gotten close to half a dozen STDs from mongering the past 20 years. All were syphilis and one was the clap. All were from BBBJs. I always thought it was the price I had to pay. I've been as careful as possible, always keeping antibacterial wipes in the car, which I use after pissing. Go figure?"

Syphilis was one danger of BBBJs which I hadn't mentioned and it can easily be transmitted by oral sex. It's enough to make me consider no longer rolling the dice with BBBJs and covering up.

Supereloquent

11-02-09, 11:21

I think 3 pages of bickering are enough...
Super, Cooky, you guys agree 90% of the time, there's no sense in two "Titans" on the board arguing, it just shakes the world apart. Hopefully we can agree to disagree and this whole flare up can be ancient history. The more we argue the less we achieve as a whole. Armistice?

Cooky and I seem cut from the same psychological cloth (or maybe he disagrees, LOL): we are both intelligent, sardonic, experienced (in the monger sense), cautious and wise (or one would hope). We also both love the sport of mongering, seem to be equal opportunity mongers (in many senses of that phrase) and enjoy SW photojournalism. We are also both overly sensitive, attacked on this board (a natural consequence of frequent posting I suppose), narcissistic (tough pill to swallow, but I admit that one; I won't speak for Cooky), tend to be pit bulls and defend ourselves to the last breath and don't suffer fools gladly.

There is good with every bad. Neither of us is perfect and we have tangled a few times before in this forum. I must admit that the squabbles were not exactly momentous issues (a running argument that starts over socks?; give me a break!), but we both refused to back down in the slightest. I analogize it to the paradox of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object. So, whichever of these I am, I agree not to pursue this silly fight any further, Bad Boy, referee, and President of our fan clubs, :D

... can we all agree on these things

1. Sex with an SW is as fun as it is dangerous

2. We can all have bad things ang good things happen from the pursuit of sex with SW's

3. Nothing said here is gonna stop anyone from doing as such.

I would only disagree somewhat with point number 3. I would hope that our minds are open enough to learn a few things here that are shared (isn't that the point?). It may not keep us from pursuing sex with SWs, danger or not, but, from time to time, it might beneficially influence the way we go about it.

Ssssbadboyssss

11-02-09, 14:05

I would only disagree somewhat with point number 3. I would hope that our minds are open enough to learn a few things here that are shared (isn't that the point?). It may not keep us from pursuing sex with SWs, danger or not, but, from time to time, it might beneficially influence the way we go about it.
No reason to disagree, maybe I should have clarified. I meant that it wouldn't stop anyone from dating SW's. You guys shouldn't have to suffer fools, idiots, or stone throwers. There are so many of them (stone throwers) around that anytime anything ( a harmless tongue-in-cheek comment) is thrown anyone in your position would react as you did. Sometimes it takes a neutral third party to intervene to put things in perspective. I hope I could be that third party here.

Happy Hunting, Stay Safe
BadBoy

Supereloquent

11-02-09, 14:43

I do have a question for the deep throat. Are they seeing more gonzo acts being asked for? It seems like anal and DP are a requirement in porn these days and somebody has to be watching that stuff. How about customers? Are they cheaper now because of the recession?

I heard from 3 Deep Throaters so far, and they echoed similar sentiments. Knucklehead mongers ask for all kinds of things. It seems to turn them on to indulge in their particular fetish verbally. Some of them are serious (like the guy whose car smelled like urine, had nasty panties lying all over the place, and said he liked a SW to pee in his hand, while he masturbated, and then get a BJ). Others (like the guy who asked a bunch of questions about what the SW would do, as he jacked off, and sped away when she noticed he was doing that; or the guys who ask the SW to show him her tits, but don't date her) are just thrill seekers, and probably aren't real mongers at all.

As for anal or DP specifically: only 2 of the DTs (out of 5) have anal on the menu, and DP would only be on the menu if they knew the mongers very well as regulars. Neither anal nor DP is a common request, anal very occasionally, DP virtually never (which I suppose reflects the fact that it would be rare for mongers to double team a SW in the first place and/or be regular enough with a SW to have her feel comfortable doing that).

According to them, the recession has not created any more "cheapos" than usual. It has, however, tended to hold their normal prices to levels which have prevailed on the Ave for some time now. There seem to be enough "normal" mongers who find these prices acceptable enough that the SWs have not been forced to settle for less on very many occasions.

Mythbuster

11-02-09, 16:49

Northsideman

11-02-09, 19:36

I have heard a theory that in the pre-video era of "stag films" from the 1930's to the 1950's that male performers kept their black socks on as a way to avoid being completely naked! Not exactly logical thinking.

Cookyjar: I love your excellent photos. But if I may make a couple of small requests/comments. I have an intense fetish for the bare female foot. So I prefer it when the woman's foot is completely bare, rather than seeing her wear dirty and or worn socks. Also, if the woman is barefoot could possibly clean the soles of her feet with a wet wipe or damp washcloth before you snap the pictures?

Many thanks and keep up the great work!

Member #5237

11-02-09, 20:20

Another question to ponder: How many mongers inspect their used condom? (Especially after anal sex.)

CookyJar

I do........just to make sure it did not break and to make sure I did not actually make contact with the girl. Have never had anal sex and I sure as hell would not do it with a street girl. I would only do it with someone I was in a relationship with.

Forth Ryte

11-03-09, 07:42

..... Others (like the guy who asked a bunch of questions about what the SW would do, as he jacked off, and sped away when she noticed he was doing that; or the guys who ask the SW to show him her tits, but don't date her) are just thrill seekers, and probably aren't real mongers at all. ....

I call into question whether you can draw a line about who is or is not a "monger" by what they like to do with the SWs. I don't want to get philisophical but, what is a "monger"?

Although its not an abbreviation like RTFF, the forum abbraviations section defines "Monger - Short for W h o r e monger. One who frequents prostitutes."

True, the most common thing guys do with an SW is to fuck or get a bj, but if a guy wants to indulge his personal favorite sexual activity and get off without sticking his dick in her pussy or mouth, is he not a monger? We all have our favorite things we like to do. One of the great advantages of an SW is that they are not our girlfriends and are open to almost anything.

I don't personally understand foot fetishes, but I've been told by SWs that this is one of the most common thing they are asked for: a foot job. Or if a guy is an exhibitionist and wants to whack off while a girl watches, he can get an SW into his car, drive around or park somewhere, do his thing and he got what he wanted. Or what if he doesn't get off while she is in the car but he talks dirty or asks her to masterbate or only wants to touch her tits....

The range of "sexual activity" that guys like would surprise most of us. To my mind, so long as he goes to an SW for the opportunity to use her to get off in whatever way he wants, he is a monger. Its all about the fact that these girls are promiscuous and are there to be used.

That said, we should still treat them like humans.

Just one guy's humble opinion.

-- Forth Ryte

Ssssbadboyssss

11-03-09, 08:21

I call into question whether you can draw a line about who is or is not a "monger" by what they like to do with the SWs. I don't want to get philisophical but, what is a "monger"?

Although its not an abbreviation like RTFF, the forum abbraviations section defines "Monger - Short for W h o r e monger. One who frequents prostitutes."

True, the most common thing guys do with an SW is to fuck or get a bj, but if a guy wants to indulge his personal favorite sexual activity and get off without sticking his dick in her pussy or mouth, is he not a monger? We all have our favorite things we like to do. One of the great advantages of an SW is that they are not our girlfriends and are open to almost anything.

I don't personally understand foot fetishes, but I've been told by SWs that this is one of the most common thing they are asked for: a foot job. Or if a guy is an exhibitionist and wants to whack off while a girl watches, he can get an SW into his car, drive around or park somewhere, do his thing and he got what he wanted. Or what if he doesn't get off while she is in the car but he talks dirty or asks her to masterbate or only wants to touch her tits....

The range of "sexual activity" that guys like would surprise most of us. To my mind, so long as he goes to an SW for the opportunity to use her to get off in whatever way he wants, he is a monger. Its all about the fact that these girls are promiscuous and are there to be used.

That said, we should still treat them like humans.

Just one guy's humble opinion.

-- Forth Ryte
I agree almost completely Forth, the difference in opinion I have is I'd extend that line of reasoning to anyone in sex work, not just the SW. Whether it be an escort, stripper, or non-pro who just dabbles. I'd say anyone who provides goods or services to recieve any sort of sexual gratification is a monger. Conversely I'd say anyone who recieves goods or services to give sexual gratification is a _____. I agree completely that no matter ones chosen profession everyone should be treated with the respect that one expects for themselves.

Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 09:18

I call into question whether you can draw a line about who is or is not a "monger" by what they like to do with the SWs. I don't want to get philisophical but, what is a "monger"?

Although its not an abbreviation like RTFF, the forum abbraviations section defines "Monger - Short for W h o r e monger. One who frequents prostitutes."

True, the most common thing guys do with an SW is to fuck or get a bj, but if a guy wants to indulge his personal favorite sexual activity and get off without sticking his dick in her pussy or mouth, is he not a monger? We all have our favorite things we like to do. One of the great advantages of an SW is that they are not our girlfriends and are open to almost anything.

I don't personally understand foot fetishes, but I've been told by SWs that this is one of the most common thing they are asked for: a foot job. Or if a guy is an exhibitionist and wants to whack off while a girl watches, he can get an SW into his car, drive around or park somewhere, do his thing and he got what he wanted. Or what if he doesn't get off while she is in the car but he talks dirty or asks her to masterbate or only wants to touch her tits....

The range of "sexual activity" that guys like would surprise most of us. To my mind, so long as he goes to an SW for the opportunity to use her to get off in whatever way he wants, he is a monger. Its all about the fact that these girls are promiscuous and are there to be used.

That said, we should still treat them like humans.

Just one guy's humble opinion.

-- Forth Ryte

I think you missed my point completely regarding the difference in my mind between a thrill seeker and a monger. I was not distinguishing on the basis of what a guy likes to do sexually. I don't care what floats a guy's boat, sexually or otherwise. But a "monger" to me is someone who actually PAYS for sexual activity. "Frequenting prostitutes" to me implies that one is paying them, unless you have discovered the holy grail, a pro who does it for free (which would be an oxymoron since a pro IS someone whom, by definition, is paid for sex acts, regardless of the type). A "monger" IMHO is not someone who cruises the Ave just to window shop, lets SWs in his car just to see their tits (with no intention of paying them for a damn thing), or just gets off (literally or mentally) talking about his fetishes with a girl (again, no intention of actually paying her for this). I would hardly place any of these activities in the category of "frequenting prostitutes."

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 10:32

From your intel there seems to be a whole lot more bbfs going than we thought. Current trend, now that everyone has forgotten about HIV.

So your DTs have talked about us mongers, how many are saying yes to bbfs?

I didn't say there was a whole lot more BBFS going on. I said that Deep Throat claims 60-70% of mongers are seeking it. None of the Deep Throats fuck bareback, for ANY amount of money, and they have been offered premium pay for it.

Most SWs only know a few other SWs at the most. They are busy plying their trade, not making friends with their competitors. So the best overall intel on actual BBFS would be from us mongers. I think the knuckleheads who seek BBFS are either unlikely readers of this forum, or would be embarrassed to admit how stupid they are by engaging in BBFS. But I could be wrong. Are there any mongers out there who do this? And, if you do, please enlighten me as to why in the HELL you would do such a crazy thing. You could probably make a lot of money in Russian roulette gambling contests if you are such a risk taker.

Ssssbadboyssss

11-03-09, 13:06

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 14:08

I dated Samantha (her real name is Marie/Maria?) last fall, but I didn’t recognize this 19 year old at all on the street, and not even up close when she got in, until I saw the two tattooed tears flowing from her left eye that symbolize the passing of her mother and father. The last time I saw her she was considerably thinner and had longer blond hair. This time her hair was much shorter and fuller and black, and she had become quite chubby. She came out of a 4 month stay with the state in September for smoking weed, being arrested, and then violating her parole. All things considered, I think she got off easy.

Samantha’s story is a sad one for those of you who may not know it. She became an orphan at the age of 13, and her other relatives had no interest in taking care of her so she bounced from house to house to live with anyone who would take care of her. By age 14 she was on the street hooking to make a living and has been doing that ever since. As we were driving to the notel she pointed out the former bar (now a restaurant) on Roosevelt Boulevard where she remembered turning her first trick. She remembered that it was “some Mexican guy.”

Samantha’s attitude when I dated her in the fall was pretty cold, and I was put off by it. We went for a quick daytime BJ date in my car and she seemed just in a hurry to hustle me for more money (which she didn't get), and then get the deed over with ASAP and not do a good job. This time at least I was able to take some pics and she was anxious to see what they looked like on every shot, and she said, “Wow, I should be a model, huh?” She is cute, but I didn’t have the heart to tell her that she needs to lose about 30 pounds to be in model territory. She can be photogenic and sexy when she puts her mind down to it, but she wasn’t much for my taking shots of her in the buff. Most of the shots she let me take were clothed and semi-clothed, and a few naked shots and a few of her sucking my cock, but she became very anxious just to “get down to business.” She had not mentioned money in the car on the trip to the notel, or even what I had planned, and was very easy to negotiate with, although she tried to highball me from my offer of the usual .5 rate for FS. But she quickly realized she was not dealing with an inexperienced monger and settled for my offer, which she stuffed in one of her socks.

The BJ was a little better than last time but lackluster. I was so horny though that I was almost instantly hard enough for a cat to scratch it, and she took this as a signal that I should be ready to fuck. I guess her idea of FS is that the suck part is just to get you hard for the fuck part. I told her to suck on me a little more, and not be so impatient. So she did, although her technique wasn’t anything outstanding. She finally lay on the bed with her legs spread and big grin on her face and said,” Fuck me, Daddy. Stick that big thing in me. You want to fuck me hard, don’t you?” Whether she knew I liked the Daddy thing or not, what she said pushed the right buttons and I mounted her mish, pushed her legs all the way back to her ears and pounded that soft wet mound. She had one of those pussies that you could jackhammer, and it would squish and grab your dick and squirt it out just enough to take another big down stroke. I fucked her as hard as I could, and, every time I slid into her, my face would come close to hers and she would say something naughty, like, “ That’s it. Fuck your baby girl. You like that young pussy, don’t you Daddy?” She did this all the while she had a big sexy grin on her cute face. She was clearly enjoying getting fucked, and I discovered that this was her highest and best use. I turned her over and fucked her doggie. I slapped her ass, and she would coo, “Yessssss” every time that I did. At long last I lay on the bed and told her to mount and ride me, and she bounced on me like a springy jack in the box. I could feel the wetness of her pussy oozing out all over my thighs and stomach. It was nice to have her doing all the work. I just lay there and watched her tits bouncing as she rode my cock with abandon like the energizer bunny. Ah, the joy of fucking a 19 year old! Just as I was about to pop, I said, “Fuck me HARD, bi*tch.” and grabbed both her tits by the nipples and pinched them hard. She squealed in delight as I busted a hard nut and my whole body was shaking from it. She slid off with a big laugh and said, “Did Daddy have fun?” I don’t think she was capable of an orgasm. My guess was that all those tender years of fucking for money had hardened her to the act of sex, and all she could think about it now was as a way to make her client happy so she could pocket some bucks for her drug habits.

As soon as we were underway from the notel she couldn’t wait to call her supplier to meet him somewhere to get her fix with my donation. Her drugs of choice are percs, same as in the fall, although I am sure she indulges in others as well.

The ratings? Face: 4 stars ( cute, even if much rounder than it used to be); Body: 3 stars (nice smooth skin and 19 year old flesh, but quite flabby from her recent relatively inactive 3 squares a day with the state); BJ: 2 1/2 stars (OK in a pinch to get hard, but she wants to hurry, can’t or won’t do DT and doesn’t have the best technique in the world; even though she has been doing this since 14, she still needs some lessons); Fucking: 4 stars (if the BJ were better then I suppose it would have been a better lead in to the fucking because they are somehow related; no particular complaints here; it was just fine; it just wasn’t quite the 5 star experience I have had with others); Personality: 3 1/2 stars (a LOT better and more pleasant than last time, but a little hurried with pics and the BJ ); Overall: 3 stars; Repeatability? Yes (but I would want to be more up front about exactly what I expected regarding pics and the BJ). YMMV

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 14:13

If Samantha is telling the truth about her age then these comparison pics were from the time she was 16 and turning tricks on the Ave even then.

You can see what I mean by the gain in weight from her being a recent guest of the state.

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 14:18

Samantha undressing, nude, sucking her tit and spread.

She is a bit flabby in the belly. The flab doesn't appear to affect her energy fucking CG though and she is a good view from behind doggie style and a cute face to watch mish.

Supereloquent

11-03-09, 14:22

Samantha sucking her tit and sucking on me. I got a few shots of her sucking the rubber on me before I fucked her.

Johnboy

11-03-09, 19:37

Just to chime in, I've been in the game for about 12 years and during that time I've only been offered BBFS once, (I refused of course). I'm thinking in this day and age it's got to be a very rare act, I mean to do a civvi BB is taking a serious risk but a SW that's like suicide. Just my 2cents.

Wrap that Rascal for Pete's Sake

BadBoyI pretty much stay across the river to hunt in Camden although I venture to the K from time to time. I've been doing this about 10 years and even though I can't comment on SW on the K, I have been offered BBFS alot and I mean like scary ALOT. It usually does'nt happen until the girl gets to know me but has happened at first meeting. There have been first times with girls when I wanted just a BBBJ and nothing more. They tell me "for $20 more you can put it in my pussy". When I tell them I don't have a rubber they say "I'm clean we don't need one" YEAH RIGHT. There have been times when doing a CFS car date and having a little trouble busting a nut that the SW has told me "take the rubber off so you can feel me more" and "I want to feel you come in me" YIKES. Some of these girls pussys stink so bad you would'nt want to fuck them covered let alone uncovered. I am not about to be a critic and tell everyone what they should or should not do, but I think everyone knows that an addict SW will do just about anything for money. I know Cookiejar ventures to Camden and I wonder if he has had the same offers. Please let me clarify that these were offers I received and NOT acts I performed, so no hate mail please, I just wanted to chime in on my experiences. It sounds to me like Deepthroat (S) has more common sense than alot of other SW in the area.

Be safe

Mythbuster

11-03-09, 19:53

Mythbuster

11-03-09, 20:02

I think you missed my point completely regarding the difference in my mind between a thrill seeker and a monger. I was not distinguishing on the basis of what a guy likes to do sexually. I don't care what floats a guy's boat, sexually or otherwise. But a "monger" to me is someone who actually PAYS for sexual activity. "Frequenting prostitutes" to me implies that one is paying them, unless you have discovered the holy grail, a pro who does it for free (which would be an oxymoron since a pro IS someone whom, by definition, is paid for sex acts, regardless of the type). A "monger" IMHO is not someone who cruises the Ave just to window shop, lets SWs in his car just to see their tits (with no intention of paying them for a damn thing), or just gets off (literally or mentally) talking about his fetishes with a girl (again, no intention of actually paying her for this). I would hardly place any of these activities in the category of "frequenting prostitutes."I wouldn't say you have to pay to be a monger. I think it's just numbers that matters who cares how you get them. I been getting for free from as many ladies as possible for awhile!

Scup1958

11-03-09, 23:09

I have heard a theory that in the pre-video era of "stag films" from the 1930's to the 1950's that male performers kept their black socks on as a way to avoid being completely naked! Not exactly logical thinking.

I always heard that they left their socks on because they were so casual about having sex that they just didn't bother to take them off. Therefore, sex that was so good that you would take your socks to enjoy the full body experience was sex that would "Knock Your Socks Off."

Supereloquent

11-04-09, 02:39

I wouldn't say you have to pay to be a monger. I think it's just numbers that matters who cares how you get them. I been getting for free from as many ladies as possible for awhile!

A monger is someone who frequents prostitutes. A prostitute is someone who engages in sexual activity for money. PAYING for sexual acts is part of the definition. If we can all make up our own definitions, then a "monger" can mean anything one wants it to mean, from a circus performer to the President of the United States.

Mythbuster

11-04-09, 09:18

A monger is someone who frequents prostitutes. A prostitute is someone who engages in sexual activity for money. PAYING for sexual acts is part of the definition. If we can all make up our own definitions, then a "monger" can mean anything one wants it to mean, from a circus performer to the President of the United States.I disagree, but you can call it what you want and be right on your own thread. But you should look up the word some day. It' about selling and promoting goods or ideas. But like mama said if you don't have Anything eles nice to say, I will shut up about it now.

Hey, any of your girls from the burbs complaining about the septa strike, I know at least one must take public transit to the ave.

CookyJar

11-04-09, 10:00

Samantha’s attitude when I dated her in the fall was pretty cold, and I was put off by it. We went for a quick daytime BJ date in my car and she seemed just in a hurry to hustle me for more money (which she didn't get), and then get the deed over with ASAP and not do a good job. This time at least I was able to take some pics and she was anxious to see what they looked like on every shot, and she said, “Wow, I should be a model, huh?” She is cute, but I didn’t have the heart to tell her that she needs to lose about 30 pounds to be in model territory. She can be photogenic and sexy when she puts her mind down to it,...

Nice fine Supereloquent. I’ve been trying to hook-up with Samantha for years. If you see her again ask her if she has any factual, up to date info on our mutual friend, Sabrina.

I remember Samantha very fondly. I posted about her in a story I called, ”The EXTRAVAGANZA” We had a lot of laughs that day. What is her real age? I wonder. I posted these pictures, ”The EXTRAVAGANZA - The Players”in 2006. She said she was 18. (If she is 19 now, she would have been 16 or 17 when I meant her?) Tennis Player posted her pictures as "Marie" in 2006. He gave her age a 22. I think I remember Sabrina saying she (Samantha) was 19. Also, I faintly believe I’ve heard that story before. It may have been Sabrina who told me a story about a “Mexican,” on the Blvd.

Samantha and Sabrina!!!! Hey! I finally get it. Two witches. LOL After all these years I finally get the connection.

CookyJar

Supereloquent

11-04-09, 10:27

Nice fine Supereloquent. I’ve been trying to hook-up with Samantha for years. If you see her again ask her if she has any factual, up to date info on our mutual friend, Sabrina.

I remember Samantha very fondly. I posted about her in a story I called, ”The EXTRAVAGANZA” We had a lot of laughs that day. What is her real age? I wonder. I posted these pictures, ”The EXTRAVAGANZA - The Players”in 2006. She said she was 18. (If she is 19 now, she would have been 16 or 17 when I meant her?) Tennis Player posted her pictures as "Marie" in 2006. He gave her age a 22. I think I remember Sabrina saying she (Samantha) was 19. Also, I faintly believe I’ve heard that story before. It may have been Sabrina who told me a story about a “Mexican,” on the Blvd.

Samantha and Sabrina!!!! Hey! I finally get it. Two witches. LOL After all these years I finally get the connection.

CookyJar

Yes, I think their "witchy" street nicknames are deliberate. Even the ages line up: Sabrina the older mentor and Samantha the younger protege'.

I know that these two used to hang together because I dated both, and each one would talk about the other. Samantha was recently a guest of the state. My most recent intel is that Sabrina is still a guest? Anyway, I haven't seen her on the Ave for a long time now, nor seen any reports on her recently. If so, that's too bad. She was a wild date, and it would be even wilder to get Samantha and Sabrina together for a 3 some. If anyone has the facts on Sabrina it would be Samantha, because I know they are tight. I should have thought to ask her on our date. But the little head was doing most of the thinking...LOL.

We all know that SWs lie about their ages, their weights and sometimes even their heights (go figure on that one). Samantha told me last fall that she was 18 and that lines up with her being 19 now. It also lines up with how old Sabrina confirmed she was last fall. But that doesn't mean it is so. It just means that what I have been told by her and Sabrina is consistent. From what you are telling me she has represented different ages to both you (through Sabrina) and at least one other. Or, maybe Samantha is like Peter Pan and never wants to grow up.