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Morgan Creamin
04-11-26, 13:24
After the recent drama around the demise of Asian Pink (still don't actually know what happened) I revisited my security posture and looked at where I was vulnerable. Starting this thread because I don't see one on this topic to get input from everyone on their tips / tricks / thoughts on how to stay safe. Everyone has their own risk tolerance, obviously, so pick and choose what works for you.

Some of you are going to think a lot of this is paranoid, and it probably is but we also hate paying for insurance until you actually need it which is what all this is. Writing this to have a discussion and exchange of ideas not get into debates about the best approach or what's ridiculous or not. Just exploring possibilities and options. Everything here is YMMV and you should verify anything anyone says because we're all open to being wrong.

The three main areas of vulnerability to being found out that I see are your cell carrier tracking your device physically and logging data (including sms), data stored on your device and that you send, and cctv on the streets and inside locations.

Device tracking-.

A burner phone is something we've all heard of but they are not as perfect as some would think and to use one in the most anonymous way possible is a huge pain in the ass. And for those of us that have partners at home, it's a potential discovery that the woman in your life will definitely not like. Every device has an IMEI number that can easily be used to track your movements once it's been associated with you so it works until it doesn't. Touching on a couple topics- if they can correlate the movement of the burner to your license plate on traffic cameras, that's potentially a significant piece of evidence.

There is also no way around your (standard) provider tracking you, it happens automatically and they log everything.

I recently found out about Cape Cellular. (Not affiliated with them) It's a privacy focused cell provider that doesn't log your info (still trying to verify the accuracy and reliability of their claims), end to end encrypts sms, and, this is a big one, changes your IMEI every 24 hrs making it vastly more difficult for you to be tracked by LEO. If this is all legit, it feels like a very good layer of obfuscation between you and the pigs. So far, this is the only thing I've found other than shutting your phone off or not taking it that will impact your phone's location tracking. You also get secondary, text-only numbers that might be useful of all the claims are true.

Downside is that it's a little more expensive at $100/ month. It also piggybacks on other carriers towers so logs are likely still being kept by them, that's where the IMEI swap comes in handy. HOWEVER- if you bring your phone home everyday you're still going be traceable because that new IMEI will show up at your address....and if they search by location vs IMEI then you're fucked. So this is far from perfect and still needs some workarounds.

https://www.cape.co/our-features#minimal-data-collection.

For wifi and cell data, an always-on VPN is a no-brainer. Private Internet Access has been subpoenaed in the past to hand over user logs and they had none so their no logging claims appear to be accurate.

Device data searches-.

The vast majority of mobile operating systems are apple or android and these are comically easy for LEO to search when then get the physical device and the companies deliberately put backdoors in for them anyway.

Graphene OS is the best answer I've found though I don't know what hardening you can do on non-android linux-based phones that use something other than Graphene. This is a highly modified version of android that strips out all the google services, sandboxes apps, can create fully separate user profiles, and, most importantly, can disable data extraction by local LEO tools. You are able to relock the bootloader after installing and disable the USB port to charging only so even if they hook into it directly they won't get a response. This will defeat the vast majority of invasive data extraction methods.

GOS even allows you to configure a duress PIN that when entered immediately starts to hard wipe and reset the phone. While that might get you an obstruction charge in some circumstances, which is maybe worse than a soliciting charge, it's an option that might be valid for some of you.

Of course, nothing is 100% secure but this can add a boatload of roadblocks that hopefully aren't going to be worth it for a typical monger. Ironically, GOS is currently only supported on Pixel phones because google is the only manufacturer whose hardware meets the security requirements of GOS. GOS is free and open source. There will be some minor inconveniences but it's probably worth it for everyone even outside the hobby to stop the fuckers from stealing all our information.

https://grapheneos.org/

It goes without saying that you should never set up any biometric unlocking regardless of using a device in the hobby. Police are legally allowed to press your finger to the fingerprint unlock or hold the phone up to your face but they cannot force your PIN out of you without a warrant. It's stupid and should be unconstitutional because it's a search but that's a different conversation.

If you have a burner app disable it being able to send notifications to your lock screen. If you're being questioned and they send a text to that number to verify if it's you it won't show up and you have plausible deniability in the moment.

And a good general rule for those apps that do have permission be sure to hide previews or sensitive notifications so no one can read the context of a text or email.

Now there is also the data you send to providers and pimps. There is nothing you can do about this from a technical perspective, once you send it it's like a bullet- it can't be called back.

Never use your real name. Obviously never use your main, linked directly to you phone number. Never agree to anything via text or phone call. For K and C orgs that want a copy of your I'd, learn how to photoshop that shit to change address, picture, QR code, etc. Never send money electronically even afterward or with a 'trusted' provider, that shit must, by law, be traceable and recorded and might come back to bite you.

WA law states that you only have to AGREE to a transaction to be guilty or prostitution. "A person age eighteen or older is guilty of prostitution if such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee. " So never agree to anything over text or voice, negotiate in person. You're obviously fucked if it's a sting and she's mic'd but there's not much that can be done about that other than trusting your spidey sense.

CCTV-.

This is the hardest one to overcome especially with license plates. Swapping plates is an option but that will land you in some serious legal shit if you get pulled over for a traffic violation and isn't going to be worth the risk. I've looked at tests for a lot of the covers, stickers, and sprays that supposedly make a license plate hard to read by cameras and so far they've all been debunked as useless or close to it.

The only real way to create reasonable doubt is to find places without camera coverage and only ever park there, but those are becoming more and more challenging to find. Even so this isn't perfect as it puts you in the area and your plate has definitely been caught on some cameras on the trip over. Ideally, if you can find a parking spot without a camera you have another destination close by that you can claim you were going to to create plausible deniability. Also if you park outside of video range so they can't video you getting out of the car you want to confuse them by changing your appearance. You should wear a hat and jacket / hoodie / something that you can swap once you park. I. e. - wear a red hoodie and green hat when driving which will likely be visible on traffic cams but change to a black hoodie and cap once you park and vice versa when you leave.

Ride-sharing is even more traceable so that's a waste of time.

But then there is tracking you when you walk to the encounter.

Facial and gait recognition are serious problems. Thankfully, in the post-covid world, masks aren't as unusual as they once were so a mask, hoodie, and sunglasses gets you a good way towards being unidentifiable by face without standing out too much in public.

But gait analysis is a thing. It's still not perfect and I honestly have no idea how much it's being used if at all but the tech overlords are working hard to ensure you can be tracked everywhere. Gait analysis is harder to defeat but it (still) can be done with some measure of success. Wearing baggy / heavy clothing changes your gait, a big hoodie will hide many details in your upper body and heavy pants will alter how to move your legs. If you normally wear sneakers, wear big clunky work boots. Carrying something heavy works but probably isn't practical in this context. You can consciously change your gait as well, walk more slowly and deliberately change your foot strike and the length of your stride, things like that.

Dink9873
04-11-26, 16:28
I honestly never park close or where I'm instructed to park. Ill gladly walk a few blocks. One provider got pissed when she demanded I park in a certain spot. Told her I walked to the appointment and if she didn't like hearing that. Consequently this practice saved from a awkward encounter when a providers boyfriend was stalking her and got pissed I was in there to fuck his girl LOL. Went for a nice long all over before going back to my car.

Donato21
04-11-26, 17:21
The original post would be half as long if everyone just agreed to use Signal instead of vanilla SMS.

Morgan Creamin
04-11-26, 17:25
The original post would be half as long if everyone just agreed to use Signal instead of vanilla SMS.Not necessarily. Remember that the messages are decrypted on your phone and the receiver's so protecting / hardening your physical device and not sending incriminating messages are still very important.

End to end encryption only protects against someone reading the message in transit.

Marko Ramius
04-11-26, 20:33
I had a seriously psycho ex for a number of years and had to go to pretty extreme measures to ensure my security and privacy.

Burner phones. I recommend planning on ditching them and replacing them every 3-4 months. Get one with a removable battery, buy two batteries, and have one battery completely dead. Leave the dead battery in the phone and hide it under the passenger seat. As added protection buy a roll of fake property stickers and put one on the phone. When someone finds the phone you can say that you don't know where it came from and that maybe some coworker or friend lost their phone, possibly months ago. Because of the dead battery and property sticker that becomes plausible deniability.

Pay cash for burner phones and airtime. Preferably buy those things at different locations.

I would usually have a toolbox with a bunch of random electrical parts in the back of my car or truck and I could for sure hide the good battery there (it wouldn't stand out amongst a bunch of other electrical things). Even better if the toolbox is dusty or dirty or insanely disorganized. I'd also have a lot of stuff in small opaque ziplock uv-blocking bags. Also, it is a rare woman who would go through a toolbox for any reason. It is just like sometimes they biologically can't search there.

These days I mostly visit AMPs or SBs. For SBs I just hide in plain sight and act legit and there is nearly zero problem. For AMPs I choose ones where I can either plausibly park nearby and walk to the shop or a shop in a large strip mall parking lot with lots of businesses and I park a discreet distance away. Maybe to cover myself I buy something at the Safeway or wherever after playtime.

None of those are 100 percent but the idea is to make them have to work so hard that it isn't worth the trouble or resources to go after you. People are naturally lazy and they usually go after only the low-hanging fruit. Also the general rule should be the more assets you have or the more identifiable you are the more paranoid you should be.

MauiGuy1980
04-13-26, 17:34
Wow. To the OP: Those are some insane countermeasures you got there.

IMO, for most people, they are trying to avoid getting in trouble with the law. In my mind, LEO is trying to get you to agree to a transaction because that is what the law states. So with that said, if the other person seems like they are trying to do so, willingly or unwillingly, it's a red flag. The experienced providers know better. So an instant 90% solution is never talk about a transaction and make like you are with a friend with benefits!

WA law states that you only have to AGREE to a transaction to be guilty or prostitution. "A person age eighteen or older is guilty of prostitution if such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee. " So never agree to anything over text or voice, negotiate in person. You're obviously fucked if it's a sting and she's mic'd but there's not much that can be done about that other than trusting your spidey sense.

Mrnobody3455
04-14-26, 00:44
Very interesting discussion. I've read a lot of pdf reports about LE activities with agencies. They all follow the same pattern:

1. LE proves that facility is agency.

2. LE ties real identity of clients with their burner phone, real phones and etc.

3. LE records faces of clients proving that they did have real dates.

4. LE is very interested in people who are profiting on girls or violent to girls.

Burner can solve problem number 2, but can't solve others. LE can record your date and figure out your real I'd.

Also, since LE has proven that facility is agency then any date even without explicit agreement is solicitation of prostitution.

From my perspective, real threat is physical. I'm physically in the facility with a girl. Cameras on the building, maybe even inside room. A lot of unexpected things can happen.

One time delivery guy started aggressively pushing Chinese guy at the agency because he couldn't get into building to deliver water. We were so lucky that delivery guy didn't see naked girls inside apartment. It took me a huge effort to calm down both of them.

My personal rules:

1. All communication in the telegram.

2. I don't do incalls. Only outcalls because I can fully control room.

3. My wallet is always inside safe. I don't have it in the agency.

4. I always take water with me to the shower.

5. I'm always starting shower and then unexpectedly coming back to the room. I want to know what are they doing while I'm at the shower. Two girls were trying to steal my wallet. I have a fake second wallet just for this case.

6. I never discuss anything in the lobby. It's a common tactic for scammers to get money in the lobby and just run away.

Also LE is very often performing arrest in the lobby. If girl is from.

LE then arrest is in the lobby.

Hoballer
04-27-26, 02:40
Question, I'm about to switch phone service for hobbying and am thinking about going back to TracFone. I have not used it for probably three years or so but did use it for probably 10 years prior to that. I've found the service could be odd when adding minutes, like it would take two days sometimes to update. Further, I seem to recall that the activation process for a newly purchased phone could be frustrating. Are any of you using such a device now and have had any bad experiences? Obviously I don't want to activate using my name or e-mail address, if I have to I'll use protonmail or some other service however I'd rather not use any at all if I don't have to. Suggestions say to go to a public library and use a PC to activate there, I might just do it at a coffee shop on the laptop, thoughts on that would be great. I understand to buy the phone with cash as well as any minutes I may add in the future, that's how I did it in the past.

Thoughts?

BigDumper
04-28-26, 01:08
Would like to make a couple points.

1) Solicitation of prostitution and the various associated crimes ie Patronizing etc are misdemeanors. These are not major felony cases. They are not issuing search warrants to your cell phone provider, they are not issuing search warrants to your burner phone. The only thing the police can get without a search warrant is call log data. Calls made and received. Time and date etc. Not the actual contents of the phone. These are very low level arrests without any investigations. They don't get traffic camera footage either. Buy a burner phone with cash and minutes in cash and that's it. I would only do that though to protect you from a crazy provider and / or your significant other. That won't protect you from the police if there was going to be an investigation. If you did something serious enough to warrant a investigation by detectives over something you are already screwed and need a really good attorney. Don't switch your license plates or do anything crazy just over a hooker. It's about generating revenue the cops don't care either, they just want what $$$ they get from towing your car and padding there arrest stats.