Finding and banging civvies out in the wild

[NeedyUnchin]

Guys, I would love if we could get a thread going on getting laid by civvies. It is definitely something I am interested in, but unfortunately I am not very skilled at small talking unknown woman and charming their pants off.

This could be a resource for the when, where, how of the whole thing. Maybe seasoned pros could explain how they do it.

I am always curious where to find GND types (beyond the usual "EVERYWHERE!" that people mention). I feel a high maintenance gym girl or diva type in the city would be too much of a reach for me right now. But a girl in the suburbs at Sprouts or the mall feels like my lane. I wish I knew how to approach and make a connection.

One small discovery: Marshalls! It is teeming with women all day long it seems. The full age range. And just normal woman, not divas. It seems like good potential IMO. I figure places like Delk, Ross, Target, Kohl's, etc might be similar. I think my comfort zone is mid 30's to 40's. Younger makes me feel creepy. I know that's something for me to work on.

I am also certainly not against converting these wild creatures to SBs either, but there is not much out there on doing this off app (SA).

Anyways share your challenges, opinions, tips, and exploits. I will probably journal my attempts to improve my skills here.

[MatchesM]

In my opinion, you either have it or you don't. No amount of "tips" are going to help you in the wild. The situations and conversations are too fluid, and the vast majority you are seeing in these places aren't looking to be laid without some time investment.

[Flight Time]

I'm far from a seasoned pro, I really sucked at it before I met my now wife. If you're not an extrovert by nature then just keep talking to whoever. The more you do it, the more at ease you will be to do it. Just be yourself, everyone can spot fakes. I usually liked either commenting on something in common (bus late, slow waiting line, whatever) or compliment on a choice they made. Tattoos are easy, "that's so cool", "I better you sat for awhile to complete that", "the colors look stunning".

[KimJungHung]

There's some obvious things you can do like get in shape or be rich yet there's magic bullet. Women are different just like men they all have different tastes and values. Capability can strike you like lightning when you least expect it. In my experience it happens when you're not looking for it. The one thing you can do wrong is nothing at all. Ask her out if she seems to be interested; the worse she can do is say no.

[Shadowav]

You want to shoot fish in a barrel? Yoga studios. Get over yourself, get a little more flexible and in shape in the process so you can hang with what's going to be wanting to so you their flexibility privately.

You're welcome.

[HollowGuy]

I have had much success at Hooters.

[Peter Johnson]

This thread seems off topic for this board, but I guess the admin feels it is ok. But there are plenty of dating advice forums out there, and pick up artist sites. Anyway, I like to meet women on group hikes and have banged some of them, but it's sort of an occasional side effect of enjoying the hike. Any kind of activity that you enjoy, where you can meet people, you may hit it off with some of them.

[NeedyUnchin]

This thread seems off topic for this board, but I guess the admin feels it is ok. But there are plenty of dating advice forums out there, and pick up artist sites. Anyway, I like to meet women on group hikes and have banged some of them, but it's sort of an occasional side effect of enjoying the hike. Any kind of activity that you enjoy, where you can meet people, you may hit it off with some of them.From the FAQ: "The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. ".

Seems on topic! Good feedback. Thanks. FWIW, not really looking for dating advice or PUA advice per se. Intel on good opportunities, etc is what I find interesting. For example there were threads back in the day of guys finding women on craigslist. Sadly no longer an option. Just an example. I think any info about getting laid could be of benefit no matter the setting (escorts, SBs vs civvies). That's why I started the thread. And just in several posts there are interesting ideas.

[GoneForGood97]

I missed out on the Craig's List golden years, but had some luck years ago on Fetlife. But the rise of OnlyF*ns and content selling basically ruined that site. You can still find some freaks who will fuck your brains out, but 90% of the girls on there are just marketing their OnlyF*ns, especially the pretty ones. Way too much work for not enough ROI.

[MGrinTraining]

You might have luck in the adult shops like TV. I stopped in once out of curiosity. This hot MILF was checking out toys so I grabbed one and said do you know if this one's any good? I can't remember what we joked about but she became touchy feely, grabbing my arm laughing about something, etc. We both then went about our business browsing in the store, but glancing at each other occasionally. I went outside after seeing her checking out at the register and was sitting in my car and saw her come out. That was the moment I feel I could have said something and hooked up. But I chickened out. Maybe it's for the best. Because you never know about some crazy situation you might get into. At least with AMPs and agencies you kind of know what to expect. Good luck.

[MassageAwesome]

You might have luck in the adult shops like TV. I stopped in once out of curiosity. This hot MILF was checking out toys so I grabbed one and said do you know if this one's any good? I can't remember what we joked about but she became touchy feely, grabbing my arm laughing about something, etc. We both then went about our business browsing in the store, but glancing at each other occasionally. I went outside after seeing her checking out at the register and was sitting in my car and saw her come out. That was the moment I feel I could have said something and hooked up. But I chickened out. Maybe it's for the best. Because you never know about some crazy situation you might get into. At least with AMPs and agencies you kind of know what to expect. Good luck.No harm in asking for her name and phone number. Plus, you're in a sex shop. Your chances would have upped by about 50% especially with you and her flirting. There's been a few of those "damn I wish I should have." situations. However, if you're Spidey senses were tingling anytime during the time you were talking to her or waiting in the car, maybe it was for the best.

[TooHotForYou]

I was in this Japanese hibachi place today that I will not disclose. The hostess was offering herself up for a gangbang when they closed for the afternoon. Right in the dining room while the chefs were making sushi and the waiters and waitresses were cleaning up. She wasn't Japanese herself I think though.

[CrazyRocket]

How about church MILFs? I got the idea from a friend. Especially 40-50 white MILFs. I encountered one in a supermarket. She asked for help for something, I helped her and then went my way. She seemed to be following me down the isle to ask me something else. I was unusually slow at catching the cues that day and left quickly because it's a location I go frequently with my SO and I don't want to risk seeing her there again.

[BigLipps145]

Please share more info by pm if possible.


I was in this Japanese hibachi place today that I will not disclose. The hostess was offering herself up for a gangbang when they closed for the afternoon. Right in the dining room while the chefs were making sushi and the waiters and waitresses were cleaning up. She wasn't Japanese herself I think though.

[NeedyUnchin]

TL;DR - Im starting from almost zero experience with approaching women, so I set a goal to speak to three new women a day in normal places like Target or grocery stores. The goal right now isnt getting numbers or dates, just becoming comfortable expressing myself to strangers. In the first week I spoke to 24 women with simple comments or questions, got responses ranging from being ignored to brief friendly banter, and by the end of the week I already felt much less anxious and more relaxed doing it.

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Like I said I will probably try to keep up with journaling my attempt to become someone who can actually meet women and get laid. I feel this does fall within the realm of this forum. If this thread gets deleted then I guess I was wrong. Maybe if I am successful it may help someone. I think guys for whom this is natural have no idea how difficult it can be for some.

I am truly starting for zero experience. We are not talking about developing "game" here. We are talking about being able to have any social interaction with the opposite sex. With people I know, I am fairly decent at just having some random conversation. In the past with friend groups or whatever, I never really had any sort of successful vibe for bedding women. And with strangers I have been pretty terrible at just randomly speaking. Actually that's a lie. The reality is I just don't do it AT ALL. Literally once I successfully met a woman and got her number (a waitress, years ago) but fucked that up while texting later. One asset is that at work I do speak with new people all day across the spectrum so I am not a total incel, but that is a structured environment.

Anyways I am using AI to help me through how to make progress. I am holding myself to speaking to 3 new women a day. Long term goal is 1000 (less than a year).

For now I am not even expected to have a conversation. Just say something! Permission to occupy space and express myself. First half of the week was pretty hard. Lots of stalling and making excuses. Lots of judging my abilities afterwards. My territory is Marshalls after I go to the gym, then Sprouts. I also have gone to Target, Kroger, Kohl's, a pet store, a dollar store, etc. Just normal women in normal places. No rule that they have to be hot. Some were. I have spoken to 25 years olds and 70 year olds. So yeah I have approached and spoken to 24 unknown women this week and that is far more than in all my previous life.

I just make fairly mundane statements or ask stupid questions. There's a rainbow outside right now. Find any good deals?. Are you pumped for St Pat's day?. Yo this Target is sick compared to the one on blah blah blah. I have had the full spectrum of responses from zero acknowledgement of my existence to a slight head turn to a strange confused look to a wheeze type sound LOL to smiles, laughs, questions back, banter for 10 secs etc.

Today rounded out the week and I did 3 extra reps because it just sorta happened and I was having fun. Spoke to multiple hot young black girls which I was pretty happy about.

Endpoint is not to get numbers etc right now. Just feel comfortable with expressing myself to strange, unknown women. I can honestly say by the end of the week I really was not giving a fuck at all who I talked to or how they responded. So I feel that is progress.

I am going to stay in this lane for 1 more week then add another level of difficulty.

And yes I am addressing other aspects. Trying to get in shape mainly. Also I do spend 15-20 minutes daily visualizing this aspect of my life completely transformed.

P.S. Overall I would say Target is my favorite. There is plenty of space so I don't feel on stage. There are always some average or slightly above average doable women there and the traffic is good. You can roam around in there with a cart for quite a while and not really seem weird. I was surprised how attracted I was to a woman probably a little older than me there. If you just say normal random things you can get some laughs and sometimes some convo back. At least based on my limited experience so far. Laugh if you must, but I am making some progress.

[PickleRiiick]

I met a lot of MILFs around lunchtime in Publix and Kroger. If she wears a gym outfit, come up and say that she looks familiar and you probably saw her at 'name' gym, just to start a conversation. Another good spot is Garden department in Walmart and Home Depot, they are always looking for flowers for decoration.

[Jaguar57]

I'm one of those that is not shy or embarrassed to speak to strange women, I just don't have the knack for closing the deal. But I think you're on the right track. Good luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Jag.


TL;DR - Im starting from almost zero experience with approaching women, so I set a goal to speak to three new women a day in normal places like Target or grocery stores. The goal right now isnt getting numbers or dates, just becoming comfortable expressing myself to strangers. In the first week I spoke to 24 women with simple comments or questions, got responses ranging from being ignored to brief friendly banter, and by the end of the week I already felt much less anxious and more relaxed doing it.

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Like I said I will probably try to keep up with journaling my attempt to become someone who can actually meet women and get laid. I feel this does fall within the realm of this forum. If this thread gets deleted then I guess I was wrong. Maybe if I am successful it may help someone. I think guys for whom this is natural have no idea how difficult it can be for some.

I am truly starting for zero experience. We are not talking about developing "game" here. We are talking about being able to have any social interaction with the opposite sex. With people I know, I am fairly decent at just having some random conversation. In the past with friend groups or whatever, I never really had any sort of successful vibe for bedding women. And with strangers I have been pretty terrible at just randomly speaking. Actually that's a lie. The reality is I just don't do it AT ALL. Literally once I successfully met a woman and got her number (a waitress, years ago) but fucked that up while texting later. One asset is that at work I do speak with new people all day across the spectrum so I am not a total incel, but that is a structured environment.

Anyways I am using AI to help me through how to make progress. I am holding myself to speaking to 3 new women a day. Long term goal is 1000 (less than a year).

For now I am not even expected to have a conversation. Just say something! Permission to occupy space and express myself. First half of the week was pretty hard. Lots of stalling and making excuses. Lots of judging my abilities afterwards. My territory is Marshalls after I go to the gym, then Sprouts. I also have gone to Target, Kroger, Kohl's, a pet store, a dollar store, etc. Just normal women in normal places. No rule that they have to be hot. Some were. I have spoken to 25 years olds and 70 year olds. So yeah I have approached and spoken to 24 unknown women this week and that is far more than in all my previous life.

I just make fairly mundane statements or ask stupid questions. There's a rainbow outside right now. Find any good deals?. Are you pumped for St Pat's day?. Yo this Target is sick compared to the one on blah blah blah. I have had the full spectrum of responses from zero acknowledgement of my existence to a slight head turn to a strange confused look to a wheeze type sound LOL to smiles, laughs, questions back, banter for 10 secs etc.

Today rounded out the week and I did 3 extra reps because it just sorta happened and I was having fun. Spoke to multiple hot young black girls which I was pretty happy about.

Endpoint is not to get numbers etc right now. Just feel comfortable with expressing myself to strange, unknown women. I can honestly say by the end of the week I really was not giving a fuck at all who I talked to or how they responded. So I feel that is progress.

I am going to stay in this lane for 1 more week then add another level of difficulty.

And yes I am addressing other aspects. Trying to get in shape mainly. Also I do spend 15-20 minutes daily visualizing this aspect of my life completely transformed.

P.S. Overall I would say Target is my favorite. There is plenty of space so I don't feel on stage. There are always some average or slightly above average doable women there and the traffic is good. You can roam around in there with a cart for quite a while and not really seem weird. I was surprised how attracted I was to a woman probably a little older than me there. If you just say normal random things you can get some laughs and sometimes some convo back. At least based on my limited experience so far. Laugh if you must, but I am making some progress.

[Peter Johnson]

TL;DR - Im starting from almost zero experience with approaching women, so I set a goal to speak to three new women a day in normal places like Target or grocery stores.Of course it's a numbers game, and doesn't sound like you spending anything, but a little time and effort, so makes sense to continue the experiment.

Many good looking guys, "Chads", don't have to be great at talking to women. Random women will come up to them and offer to blow them in the bathroom or in the car. Of course I'm not exaggerating and I've seen it happen to one of my friends.

Of course for the majority of men, they are not so lucky and have to work at it. If you look decent, but had good game, then could still do well, depending on how many you approach.

But the less physically desirable you are, the more you have working against you. If you are 84 yo and have unfavorable facial genetics, then you would probably go 0 for 1000, or close to that. If you are young and in good physical shape, probably will score some. And of course depends on who you are hitting up. and if it's only 8's and 9's, then close rate will be even lower.

Anyway, your post is interesting, good luck, and and keep us updated, if you like.

[Jd2011]

You are right on about "chads" PJ. I have a cousin who is from out of town. He's a great looking guy, 6'2", in good shape, strong jaw, high cheek bones, blues eyes, great hair, etc; And he has some game. He visited once, I picked him up at his Dad's place and we went to a neighborhood bar to hang out. We were standing at the bar minding our own business and this hot chick (probably an 8.5-9) walks up to us. She looks at him and says….not even a hello first… "want to go out to your car? You can cum in my mouth as long as I can look into those deep blue eyes". I handed him my keys, and told her to use the back seat and don't leave a mess. They walked out, and he walked back in about 10 minutes later with a smile. He said it happens to him all of the time. True story.

This is an interesting thread.


Of course it's a numbers game, and doesn't sound like you spending anything, but a little time and effort, so makes sense to continue the experiment.

Many good looking guys, "Chads", don't have to be great at talking to women. Random women will come up to them and offer to blow them in the bathroom or in the car. Of course I'm not exaggerating and I've seen it happen to one of my friends.

Of course for the majority of men, they are not so lucky and have to work at it. If you look decent, but had good game, then could still do well, depending on how many you approach.

But the less physically desirable you are, the more you have working against you. If you are 84 yo and have unfavorable facial genetics, then you would probably go 0 for 1000, or close to that. If you are young and in good physical shape, probably will score some. And of course depends on who you are hitting up. and if it's only 8's and 9's, then close rate will be even lower.

Anyway, your post is interesting, good luck, and and keep us updated, if you like.

[MassageAwesome]

TL;DR - Im starting from almost zero experience with approaching women, so I set a goal to speak to three new women a day in normal places like Target or grocery stores. The goal right now isnt getting numbers or dates, just becoming comfortable expressing myself to strangers. In the first week I spoke to 24 women with simple comments or questions, got responses ranging from being ignored to brief friendly banter, and by the end of the week I already felt much less anxious and more relaxed doing it..For the past couple years I've hit on and fucked nothing but older Latina MILFs. For some reason, having a gringo speak Spanish to them is like their Kryptonite. They love it. Plus you have to be confident in your game. I have met them from places like Costco and whatabutger to a bouncy house park and a Chinese restaurant. I don't hit on the Coke bottle typical shaped Latinas. They may have some tummy to them, but they got big bubble Latina ass. Plus they know how to fuck (I'm not thinking about her tummy when I fucking her doggy or she's slobbing my knob). If I'm out, and I walk past one, I look right at her, if she looks at me and smiles, then I'll turn back around and start a conversation with her.

Hola. (Hi).

She'll say hi.

Como estas? (How are you?

She will say something like Bien why tu (I'm fine, and you?

Estoy bien gracias (I'm fine thank you).

Eres Muy Bonita (you're very pretty).

She will say thank you.

I then ask if she is married or have a boyfriend (tienes esposo o novio).

If she says no, then I asked for her phone number (me permites Tu numero del telefono?

If she says yes, I'll just say ok and say bye.

I know it sounds like a lot, but it's very easy. If you do get the number, first of all, congratulations, and second of all, Google translate is your friend.

[KevSil80]

Someone below mentioned they have tried chatting up or meeting regular women but not sure how to close in that situation. I am in the same boat. After chatting up a stranger and getting a phone number, there are pretty much 4 options in my eyes to convert into pussy:

1. Intend to be in a relationship with the woman (or pretend to) and go on dates.

2. Ask to hookup / fuck right away. Depending on how the initial interaction was this could work out.

(The above 2 options we all know about).

3. Hang out casually, escalate sexually, and eventually hook up. This requires game and isn't easy but is the cheapest outside of option 2.

4. Lead with your wallet and pretty much have her be a sugar baby, whether you talk about it directly or not. This is probably the most expensive option but still probably cheaper than a real SB. Anyone have any tips or stories about this option?

Also, good shit guy below approaching strangers. That takes balls and I commend you for it.

[NeedyUnchin]

I greatly appreciate the comments and ideas.

I have transitioned to "Hey, how's it going?" with direct eye contact instead of random, often drive-by comments. This is my natural vibe with pretty much everyone I deal with. But I caught a sort of "psychic flu" and felt horrible as I worked through it for a few days. It felt much harder, because even if just for a split second, I was having to actually face their reaction.

But with more reps it became clear there is a bell curve of reactions from being completely ignored, a wry smile without eye contact, an obligatory "hi" to friendly reply and question back, etc. And then finally I got back to not caring so much once again.

Something unexpected then happened. I was sticking to the usual 3 women per day. But yesterday something in me just said hmmm those were some lame reps dude. So I drove across the street to Kroger, grabbed a cart and some sort of energy came over me. I said Hey, how's it going? To 12 more women. Old, young, skinny, fat, married, pairs, groups, whatever. I felt very tall, very energetic, and completely detached. I was humming and whistling LOL. I again got the full spectrum of responses, all within like 8 minutes. Still not focusing on anything but improving my tolerance with approaching and speaking to strange unknown women. Learning I am a man who moves through space and expresses himself because he wants to at times.

Today it happened again! I spoke to 25 women in like 45 minutes in various stores. Inspired by MassageAwesome, I also said Buenos dias to a few Latinas. Also even said hey to some old dudes just because my energy was really good.

My worst "rejection" was some 80 year old lady who just turned her head away and said nothing LOL. Some young women seem to not welcome it, but others are friendly and give bright smiles.

So overall I am surprised by my progress. Next I am going to work on pausing here and there to allow some further interchange (I have really been avoiding this, it's another step up), even if it's just a quick observation / question / comment, then move on. At least that is what was recommended. We'll see. I am not kidding myself that this will be quick and easy.

Total days: 15
Women spoken to: 85

[Joesouncool]

Knew a guy in college that had a lot of sex. It wasn't that he was good looking. It was just a numbers game to him. He had a line, "if you pinch enough asses, eventually, you will get a taker. ".

[Sgt Soros]

Knew a guy in college that had a lot of sex. It wasn't that he was good looking. It was just a numbers game to him. He had a line, "if you pinch enough asses, eventually, you will get a taker. ".Sex was so easy to find in college. To the hobbyists here still in college, trust me the easiest sex you'll ever find on this planet is in college. I lived in an Athletes dorm with suites and on Saturdays after a football game it wasn't uncommon to find girls in the various suites looking for some action. Once, I was walking my girlfriend to my room on a Saturday night and there was a girl, I've never met, in my bed. She quickly got dressed and walked out without saying a word.

[TravelinSD]

I find this discussion very intriguing. Another board that I know about has a Sugarbaby discussion forum. It's behind a paid / earned VIP wall. I haven't been on it in quite a while, but it had this HUGE thread talking about finding sugarbabies in the wild. Where to find them, how to approach, job-types to look for, etc. The thread starts of with a primer by a member who claims to have been very successful in all of this. The thread is quite old, like 5 or 6 years, but ran hundreds of posts over a 3 year time span. Very interesting reading.

Bottom line it can be done. Seemed like it took a lot of work though. Then again Seeking is taking a lot more time than it used to.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[Ren Man]

Guys, I had GAME when it came to Craiglist. I probably hooked up with a new woman every month or two. All sorts of kinky scenes. Some of the women were unbelievably hot. A few of you guys on here were able to share in my bounty when the ladies wanted to do a threesome, or a GB (I set up a number of those for my CL ladies). But sadly, when CL went away, it all pretty much dried up. I have had a couple of hookups from the CL wannabe Doublelist, and I've met a few playmates of Fetlife, but it ain't the same.

Hope to hear some of your successes and maybe be inspired!

[MassageAwesome]

I greatly appreciate the comments and ideas.

I have transitioned to "Hey, how's it going?" with direct eye contact instead of random, often drive-by comments. This is my natural vibe with pretty much everyone I deal with. But I caught a sort of "psychic flu" and felt horrible as I worked through it for a few days. It felt much harder, because even if just for a split second, I was having to actually face their reaction.

But with more reps it became clear there is a bell curve of reactions from being completely ignored, a wry smile without eye contact, an obligatory "hi" to friendly reply and question back, etc. And then finally I got back to not caring so much once again.

Something unexpected then happened. I was sticking to the usual 3 women per day. But yesterday something in me just said hmmm those were some lame reps dude. So I drove across the street to Kroger, grabbed a cart and some sort of energy came over me. I said Hey, how's it going? To 12 more women. Old, young, skinny, fat, married, pairs, groups, whatever. I felt very tall, very energetic, and completely detached. I was humming and whistling LOL. I again got the full spectrum of responses, all within like 8 minutes. Still not focusing on anything but improving my tolerance with approaching and speaking to strange unknown women. Learning I am a man who moves through space and expresses himself because he wants to at times.

Today it happened again! I spoke to 25 women in like 45 minutes in various stores. Inspired by MassageAwesome, I also said Buenos dias to a few Latinas. Also even said hey to some old dudes just because my energy was really good.

My worst "rejection" was some 80 year old lady who just turned her head away and said nothing LOL. Some young women seem to not welcome it, but others are friendly and give bright smiles.

So overall I am surprised by my progress. Next I am going to work on pausing here and there to allow some further interchange (I have really been avoiding this, it's another step up), even if it's just a quick observation / question / comment, then move on. At least that is what was recommended. We'll see. I am not kidding myself that this will be quick and easy.

Total days: 15
Women spoken to: 85Congrats. It's easy to do. Sometimes I'll just walk by a lady and say "excuse me, I don't mean to startle you, but you are very pretty. " Or "you have beautiful eyes. " sometimes it just makes their day (They will tell you that) they may be having a bad day or just feeling depressed about themselves. A compliment goes a long way. And you never know, you may see them again, and next time you may go further.

As for Latinas, I forgot to mention that you may need to be careful with them. Most of them don't understand the definition of a "fuck buddy". All they see is "boyfriend" or " reason to stay in the US. ".

[Peter Johnson]

Guys, I had GAME when it came to Craiglist. I probably hooked up with a new woman every month or two. All sorts of kinky scenes. Some of the women were unbelievably hot. A few of you guys on here were able to share in my bounty when the ladies wanted to do a threesome, or a GB (I set up a number of those for my CL ladies). But sadly, when CL went away, it all pretty much dried up. I have had a couple of hookups from the CL wannabe Doublelist, and I've met a few playmates of Fetlife, but it ain't the same.

Hope to hear some of your successes and maybe be inspired!Craigslist Casual Encounters was amazing. I was getting new pussy every week, or more. In 2012, I somehow got 83. Then 41 in 2013. I got 326 in six years, not repeats, different girls. And most of them would just drive to my place, walk in and basically get naked. This was before Tinder and was the freakiest of the freaky on there. Maybe 20% involved an exchange of funds but 80% were "free". Then I got a gf and slowed me way down, then the US gov't made CL delete the entire section.

Of course most of these were not hot chicks, many chubby girls and cheating housewives. A few gems in there for sure though. And I did put a lot of work into it, it was my near full time hobby for a long time. I would change my IP address like 20 times a day and post 50 different ads on there. But it was still like fishing in a barrel.

Ok didn't mean to go off on a tangent, but just missing the good old days. Which still were far from perfect, with all the crazy girls out there, getting stood up, flakes, etc. But a whole lot of amazing and I wish it was still even 25% as easy as it was then.

I'm getting pretty damn old now and getting less bang for my buck, whether it be time or money. My unsolicited advice to the younger guys on here is just go for it and have as much great sex as you can. You certainly won't regret it in your old age, and while it can be a lot of work, it's mostly worth it in the end.

[HollowGuy]

I was sitting at a sports bar the other day watching a situation unfold that felt uncomfortable from the start. There was an older guy, late 40's maybe 50's, trying hard to impress a young waitress. You could tell he thought he had game, the way he leaned in talking like he could win her over with words and confidence.

Then someone else walked in, someone she actually knew and liked. Her whole energy shifted. She greeted him with a genuine smile and a hug, something she never gave the other guy. Just like that, the difference was clear.

Instead of reading the room and moving on with dignity, he held on. He moved to the bar to watched them from a distance, getting more frustrated by the minute. Texting her while she was working. Sitting there expecting attention that wasn't coming. She did her job, took care of her tables, but she never circled back to him the way he wanted.

That should've been the moment to let it go.

But he didn't. Instead, he tried to force attention. Started talking loudly to other girls, talking like he has large amounts of money, hinting at things that crossed the line like he would pay for sexual favs so join him on his boat, bragging thinking it would make him look important or maybe make her jealous. It didn't. It just made everything worse.

What could've been a quiet exit turned into a scene. He ended up getting kicked out, not respected, not remembered in a good way, but for propositioning the girls. Just another example of how not to carry yourself.

Sometimes the hardest thing to accept is when you're not the one she wants. But how you handle that moment says everything about you.

And that wasn't it. Clearly no money or motion as he loudly boasted.

[KimJungHung]

I find this discussion very intriguing. Another board that I know about has a Sugarbaby discussion forum. It's behind a paid / earned VIP wall. I haven't been on it in quite a while, but it had this HUGE thread talking about finding sugarbabies in the wild. Where to find them, how to approach, job-types to look for, etc. The thread starts of with a primer by a member who claims to have been very successful in all of this. The thread is quite old, like 5 or 6 years, but ran hundreds of posts over a 3 year time span. Very interesting reading.

Bottom line it can be done. Seemed like it took a lot of work though. Then again Seeking is taking a lot more time than it used to..I ran across one before and have known her for years. Met her at a gas station we both frequent. The circumstances of our meeting and proximity gave us a less business relationship. She is like a homegirl so I've never mentioned her on here. She had her own prices for me and sometimes just wanted to hangout. I would run into her all the time and have a few stories about random days she'd offer me a BBJ while driving in return for the ride. A few times BBJs turned into full service because she got wet. When I got a real girlfriend it made her jealous but that comes with the territory when you catch a off duty sugar baby in the wild.

[FarFarAway]

I have seen a few young ones at my luxury gym who don't seem to fit the profile of members. I have on occasion chatted w / one if we had a little privacy, after a prelim or two I ask them 'Is there someone who looks after you?' implying someone who covers her gym membership, manicure, etc. I most often get a light laugh. If I got a no, I respond with 'Sorry to hear that, but I am trying to find someone to look after. ' That leaves the door wide open for further chatting.

The other setting is when you have a nice exchange w / a young woman in a service job, like waitress or bartender. The old approach was to get a pack of sugar, write your burner number on it, and give it to her with a saucy comment like 'there's more sugar where that came from'. I have even gone to the trouble to print up little 'business cards' (you can get stock at Staples) that have just a bit of info, including my burner number.