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John Cleland
06-13-24, 12:59
I believe few will disagree an AMP rating hierarchy is a good continuity idea for a board like USASG. And it appears that rating system has already been adopted to a good extent by this north-of-NYC / Westchester / Hudson Valley / Danbury monger group.

PlanetEarth clarifies this hierarchy well in a June 13, '24 Danbury Massage Parlor thread post with this:

Q: "Some cities and or boards trying to be on the down low, try to talk in level of service. L0 is legit, L1 is HE, L2 is CBJ, L3 is CFS, L4 is GFE (BBBJ). ".

After thinking about the above definitions I had some questions so I created this thread in hopes of possible additional "L" levels above L4 in addition to additional clarity as to what is or is not to be expected in each of these levels For examples:

1) From my experience (and it's fairly vast consisting of four decades of domestic and world mongering), "GFE" more broadly includes a bit more than just BBBJ. Here's what I mean. I've received plenty of BBBJ's in monger world where just as often the provider was being mechanical and delivering little or no performance in terms of at least acting / pretending she gave a shit about my pleasure. I would not refer to that session as GFE as much as I playfully refer to such an experience as a "Wife Sympathy Experience" or "WSE. " Obviously, I'm kidding a bit but I think this helps underline my point. I also believe the converse of the above is when a provider treats me like mine is the only penis on earth, pretends there's at least a minimal (if not full-bore) emotional connection, and my filled condom represents her ultimate goal by the end of a full hour. In my book, this is best defined as a "Girlfriend" experience. So my proposed thread question here is:

"How do you define "GFE" yourself?

2) I believe there is at least one level above L4 where I propose L5 become the "PSE" (aka the "Porn Star Experience") level.

But here's the thing: I don't believe "PSE" necessarily means bareback because I think I've had plenty of both bareback GFE in addition to covered PSE. I interpret PSE as, simply, the GFE on steroids where a provider simply lowers her shields where nearly anything is on the menu including but not limited to acts, positions, intensity, duration, etc whether covered or not. In other words, I don't expect a GFE girl to spontaneously swallow my dick down to the base and then hold herself down there until it's time to come up for air and won't care if she pukes a little bit on the way up. Similarly, during a recent visit to MB my wrist was hijacked where my three extended right hand fingers were rotated between pile-driving her shaved gaping vessel and then grinding them over and over back-and-forth over her swollen clitoris until she climaxed all under her control as though my hand was simply a device typically sold on Adam and Eve dot com. Is that GFE? In my world, that's a PSE.

How do you define "PSE" yourself?

Again, this thread is meant to be just for fun.

Cheers.

JC.

Big Mac Daddy
06-14-24, 11:12
The following is from 2000, or so, which defined the GFE term in a discreet manner so men and women were on the same page without revealing details of services. The original author is / was St Bart, a well known hobbyist at that time.

"When I first started hobbying 4 years ago, I was dismayed how the term "GFE" was bandied about. Some ladies that I dated based on reviews were far, far, from GFE. The reviewer, I decided afterwards, was simply using the term to say he had a nice time, which is fine.

BUT, and always recognizing YMMV, I never had a GF that didn't DFK, or allow DATY, or give BBBJ. When these 3 acts come with enthusiastic FS, I define the experience as 100% GFE on the Saint Bart Scale. For every item missing, 10% is deducted. I usually don't like to be specific in a review about the acts I enjoyed. It can unnecessarily put a lady "on the spot" with the next hobbyist. "you did ABC for him, so why not me?" That's not fair to her.

So, the SBS has just enough ambiguity to protect her, yet describe my experience. For example, I recently posted a review of Lisa from Eye Candy. She was 70% on the SBS. As I think all know, my ATF Badgirl is 100% on the SBS. Top's Penelope, with me, was 80%GFE, which reflected my YMMV as I've subsequently read others found her to be 90%GFE. IMO, this is usually all the detail required for the reader to get a good idea of the service level, subject to YMMV.

Now, sometimes extras are available that go beyond 100%GFE, and might not be allowed by your civilian GF. The two most common examples are Greek and BBBJTC. Actual CIM. To me whether she spits or swallows, it doesn't matter. These are handled in a review with a " or "Plus" for each act. Missy, I've written and many have enjoyed, is famous for her Plus ending. So Missy's 100%GFE+ or 100%GFE Plus. The Plus Missy earns is undefined, but all get the picture. Aussie Amber takes it one Plus further, to what I think of as a PSE. She's 100%GFE++ or 100%GFE Plus, Plus. Again, I think one gets the picture, and doesn't need the actual details. I've had rare dates that actually earned as many as 4 Plusses. More were awarded for spending the night "on the house", and for allowing pictures (hear that Nurse? I suppose they could also be awarded for actions that don't interest me. B&D, or golden showers, etc."

BMD.