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Has anyone tried this place?
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bts/d/newport-beach-10-off-special-for-summer/7486624741.htmlNo, seems a bit steep, probbably paying for the location.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-little-beauty-center-garden-grove
Little beauty is about half that price, don't know if extras are offered haven't tried, she does a good job w / the wax.
No, seems a bit steep, probbably paying for the location.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-little-beauty-center-garden-grove
Little beauty is about half that price, don't know if extras are offered haven't tried, she does a good job w / the wax.Daisy will show you if she likes you on your first visit. If she doesn't. No extras!
Has anyone tried this place?
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bts/d/newport-beach-10-off-special-for-summer/7486624741.htmlTry Melody Massage in LF instead. Better prices, happier ending.
FarFarAway
07-14-22, 16:20
I don't see a category for this specifically in OC. Sometimes, guys need some helpful little pills. Getting those discreetly, without a prescription and without it showing up on a medical bill, can be a challenge. I happen to know a local dude who seems to be able to access some of these medicines and can help you with them in discrete transactions. If you PM me we can discuss further.
I don't see a category for this specifically in OC. Sometimes, guys need some helpful little pills. Getting those discreetly, without a prescription and without it showing up on a medical bill, can be a challenge. I happen to know a local dude who seems to be able to access some of these medicines and can help you with them in discrete transactions. If you PM me we can discuss further.I have been getting them (generic) from CostCo pharmacy, one needs a Rx but they are around $21. For 30 ea.
I don't see a category for this specifically in OC. Sometimes, guys need some helpful little pills. Getting those discreetly, without a prescription and without it showing up on a medical bill, can be a challenge. I happen to know a local dude who seems to be able to access some of these medicines and can help you with them in discrete transactions. If you PM me we can discuss further.There are several online places you can get them now and are very discrete and easy to get.
Roman, Him's, Lemonaide, Ruggie, Blink, and several others.
FarFarAway
07-15-22, 09:37
There are several online places you can get them now and are very discrete and easy to get.
Roman, Him's, Lemonaide, Ruggie, Blink, and several others.And like I said, guys who have SOs can't really have mystery packages of meds coming to their house. So someone you can do an in-person local cash transaction with is helpful.
And like I said, guys who have SOs can't really have mystery packages of meds coming to their house. So someone you can do an in-person local cash transaction with is helpful.It dosent need to be a US Post office.
You can get one lots of different places, mailboxes etc, UPS. Use a prepaid card, or money order.
Ship packages there.
Or tell the wife it's for why'all to use together.
James D 2004
07-18-22, 00:44
And like I said, guys who have SOs can't really have mystery packages of meds coming to their house. So someone you can do an in-person local cash transaction with is helpful.Just get a po box. USPS also have a package holding service or intercept and hold. Some are not just po box but a street address and allow you to view remotely. But to get a po box you must register your mail address. There is always the risk if you forget about the box they will forward everything to your real mail box.
Why are some of you guys complaining now after so many visit. Beginning how great BW or SH was and now how dirty and unsanitary BW / SH.Someone asked about sanitation, and I responded with insider info on how the (legit) spa industry works in that regard. It's all just stuff to be aware of. If you want squeaky clean then you're in the wrong hobby because all mongering shops cut corners when it comes to laundry. Some shops are cleaner than a lot of people's houses and some are absolutely filthy. BW is more like the former. I haven't been to SH but from what I've heard it's more like the latter. If you're worried about it, take your own sheet or towel to lay on and tell them you have sensitive skin or allergies. It's not that hard. Probably the biggest concern I'd have would be if someone ahead of you had something like pinkeye or ringworm that's highly contagious. That would be a problem. But outside of that there's not a lot to worry about, and again if you're worried, take your own table covering. If taking something from home would raise suspicions, find something at the dollar store or even a cheap towel from Target that you can use a few times and toss so you don’t have to explain why this towel suddenly showed up in the laundry.
Someone asked about sanitation, and I responded with insider info on how the (legit) spa industry works in that regard. It's all just stuff to be aware of. If you want squeaky clean then you're in the wrong hobby because all mongering shops cut corners when it comes to laundry. Some shops are cleaner than a lot of people's houses and some are absolutely filthy. BW is more like the former. I haven't been to SH but from what I've heard it's more like the latter. If you're worried about it, take your own sheet or towel to lay on and tell them you have sensitive skin or allergies. It's not that hard. Probably the biggest concern I'd have would be if someone ahead of you had something like pinkeye or ringworm that's highly contagious. That would be a problem. But outside of that there's not a lot to worry about, and again if you're worried, take your own table covering. If taking something from home would raise suspicions, find something at the dollar store or even a cheap towel from Target that you can use a few times and toss so you dont have to explain why this towel suddenly showed up in the laundry.Never thought about pinkeye or ringworm. Couple mongers also expressed their concern of monkeypox, but not a lot of info out about that.
I'm concern about STD but since I don't usually go for FS, I'm relatively safe, but BJ can cause major problems too. My biggest.
Gripe is some mongers telling the world they had STD, herpes or whatever. Then a few weeks later bragging about doing everything BB.
Never thought about pinkeye or ringworm. Couple mongers also expressed their concern of monkeypox, but not a lot of info out about that.
I'm concern about STD but since I don't usually go for FS, I'm relatively safe, but BJ can cause major problems too. My biggest.
Gripe is some mongers telling the world they had STD, herpes or whatever. Then a few weeks later bragging about doing everything BB.Short quote:
How is monkeypox spread?
Monkeypox spreads in different ways. Monkeypox virus is most often spread through direct contact with a rash or sores of someone who has the virus.
It can also spread through contact with clothing, bedding and other items used by a person with monkeypox, or from respiratory droplets that can be passed through prolonged face-to-face contact, including kissing, cuddling or sex.
More at:
https://ldh.la.gov/page/monkeypox
DarkRoomDaddy
08-01-22, 14:53
Never thought about pinkeye or ringworm. Couple mongers also expressed their concern of monkeypox, but not a lot of info out about that.
I'm concern about STD but since I don't usually go for FS, I'm relatively safe, but BJ can cause major problems too. My biggest.
Gripe is some mongers telling the world they had STD, herpes or whatever. Then a few weeks later bragging about doing everything BB.For the guys getting BBBJ, what kind of counter measures do you take? Do you visit your doctor once in a while and fess up that you did some naughty things, and ask for some tests? I am no doctor. Since that unfortunate episode with a gynecological exam (just a joke. Not serious) - but I believe many poxes do not have symptoms.
SkankHunt 42
08-03-22, 03:46
It seems like a lot of the BBFS mongers are trying to stealth GFE chicks. A bunch of chicks have been getting super paranoid with the condom these days. Some seem to check it every 10 secs.
If ya like thick Latinas with a booty and short tight short and skimpy top that serve ya beer checkout Keg Slugger in Westminster a block west of Beach Blvd.
Kinda like a small version of hooters or Ojos locos cantina.
ChrisPoontang
08-15-22, 22:36
It seems like a lot of the BBFS mongers are trying to stealth GFE chicks. A bunch of chicks have been getting super paranoid with the condom these days. Some seem to check it every 10 secs.You should name names because they need to be avoided.
KalvinHobbs
08-19-22, 00:02
It seems like a lot of the BBFS mongers are trying to stealth GFE chicks. A bunch of chicks have been getting super paranoid with the condom these days. Some seem to check it every 10 secs.That's sad to hear. Tough enough job as it is making some of us uglies happy for an hour. I hope they flag them so they can get eventually blacklisted.
Just curious is OC Circus the only gangbang in OC? Honestly the quality of chicks is over 60 - 70 year old there, can't believe that there is no competition to them in OC. I have heard there are some bisex parties, not sure though. Any thoughts?
PhineasPhreak
09-11-22, 04:04
It seems like a lot of the BBFS mongers are trying to stealth GFE chicks. A bunch of chicks have been getting super paranoid with the condom these days. Some seem to check it every 10 secs.Big time one gal was actually holding the condom onto my dick as I fucked her k9.
Big time one gal was actually holding the condom onto my dick as I fucked her k9.This specific routine has been going on since at least when I started over two years ago. I despise it.
So after weeks of search I found this spot, which has weekly parties, rarely advertises online and has 6-7 chicks on each party. Entrance is below 100. Will exchange this info for some other valuable gangbang info.
ChrisPoontang
09-12-22, 12:24
So after weeks of search I found this spot, which has weekly parties, rarely advertises online and has 6-7 chicks on each party. Entrance is below 100. Will exchange this info for some other valuable gangbang info.6 to 7 chicks and rarely advertises online and you won't give up the info gratis?
Yeah, I got to bullshit on this.
I've been gangbanging since Panther Palace was off and cracking in OC, did Donne's parties in the valley, Marcos parties at the Super 8 in NOho, been to countles Bubbles / Cala parties, did all the velvet swing / freedom acres, LA couples etc etc so I know first hand how gangbangs go down.
6 to 7 chicks and rarely posts on the internet? Nope. And you want to trade. Hell no.
And like I said, guys who have SOs can't really have mystery packages of meds coming to their house. So someone you can do an in-person local cash transaction with is helpful.Couple ideas,
Have them sent to your office? I used to have all kinds of things delivered to my office.
Mail to a single buddy?
DeniroCity
04-19-23, 18:21
I've gone to her about 2 times, does a great massage, wears a sports bra and yoga pants so her tits are hanging out but I wasn't able to get any extras, always keeps you cover and doesn't get near the boys.Tit's hanging in or out of the sports haha. Thanks!
James D 2004
04-19-23, 18:53
I don't see a category for this specifically in OC. Sometimes, guys need some helpful little pills. Getting those discreetly, without a prescription and without it showing up on a medical bill, can be a challenge. I happen to know a local dude who seems to be able to access some of these medicines and can help you with them in discrete transactions. If you PM me we can discuss further.Rent a PO box from the post office or chain store. But for med it's not necessary. Google any of the online pharmacy, get a prescription via chat, get it send to any pharmacy like CVS. Collect in person. $60 for the prescription.
FarFarAway
04-20-23, 03:01
Rent a PO box from the post office or chain store. But for med it's not necessary. Google any of the online pharmacy, get a prescription via chat, get it send to any pharmacy like CVS. Collect in person. $60 for the prescription.Without giving my real name?
James D 2004
04-20-23, 13:40
Without giving my real name?For mailbox, they have to verify your postal address by law I think.
For prescription, they don't check your I'd that I remember. I pay out of pocket. I think I used Redbox out of the many online pharmacies.
Rent a PO box from the post office or chain store. But for med it's not necessary. Google any of the online pharmacy, get a prescription via chat, get it send to any pharmacy like CVS. Collect in person. $60 for the prescription.Being that I am sorta old & my doctor understands so I just ask him for a Rx. For Sildenafil Citrate 100 Mg (generic Viagra) to be sent to Costco which he will.
Costco charges me $20.99 for 30 pills w / o insurance & they deliver for free.
Lately my very young GF has been asking me to use the Beet Root powder (BRp) (that she gave me) instead for the pill, the BRp works just as well & she is happy & so am I.
I am not recommending it for you as you may not get the same effect as I do, but this works 4 me & also Costco has very cheap pills w / a Rx. But no insurance.
Of course one will have to be a Costco member to get the member discount on Rx's.
If anyone wants to give Trimix a try let me know. I have a rx and always have extra. It lasts and lasts without fail. I have a few regular customers that love it.
Being that I am sorta old & my doctor understands so I just ask him for a Rx. For Sildenafil Citrate 100 Mg (generic Viagra) to be sent to Costco which he will.
Costco charges me $20.99 for 30 pills w / o insurance & they deliver for free.
Lately my very young GF has been asking me to use the Beet Root powder (BRp) (that she gave me) instead for the pill, the BRp works just as well & she is happy & so am I.
I am not recommending it for you as you may not get the same effect as I do, but this works 4 me & also Costco has very cheap pills w / a Rx. But no insurance.
Of course one will have to be a Costco member to get the member discount on Rx's.Actually, membership is NOT required.
Costco, is licensed by the state for alcohol, federal license for pharmaceuticals. I'm not an attorney, but easily googleable, basically the licensing doesn't allow for restrictions on who they can sell to.
So, non-members can buy alcohol and prescription drugs with no membership.
Actually, membership is NOT required.
Costco, is licensed by the state for alcohol, federal license for pharmaceuticals. I'm not an attorney, but easily googleable, basically the licensing doesn't allow for restrictions on who they can sell to.
So, non-members can buy alcohol and prescription drugs with no membership.I am sure you are correct.
I just checked not logged in & couldn't find prescriptions search, prices & don't offer, I am sure, free shipping.
Being a member probably will get membership prices but I couldn't find nonmember prices to see how much that might be.
Member #6356
06-08-23, 18:08
Hello fellow travelers,
I will be in town for work and was hoping for a recommendation, is there a decent pawg or Latina girl worth visiting? And are the strip clubs worth a visit?
TIA!
Widespread
06-20-23, 12:50
Besides waxing queen where do you all go to get hair removal? I prefer to get sugared but haven't been in many years. Not looking for funny business but a place to get hair removed in all areas.
Besides waxing queen where do you all go to get hair removal? I prefer to get sugared but haven't been in many years. Not looking for funny business but a place to get hair removed in all areas.I saw this lady post on Instagram a lot at goldenskin. Rituals pretty attractive and very personable when I DM her asking about the process. Never pulled the trigger but it seemed like a good choice.
https://www.goldenskinrituals.com/
LE could use our explicit words (your's) as online evidence to support their case against a provider or group of providers they're investigating and charging?
Is hearsay admissible in court. Fuck no.
In order for anything we post here to be used as evidence in a court, they would have to tie specific comments to individuals, and then cross reference that to other evidence.
So tying a specific IP address to a specific individual and then proving that. Yeah, the amount of time and money that would need to be spent, the po po will use other means (code enforcement) to shut a place down. Will they read here, sure, will they use it to prosecute, I doubt it Will they learn of a new place here with or without the stupid notations. Perhaps.
I won't say It couldn't happen, but the likelihood is slim to none.
I say posting vaguely is just braggadocios behavior that does nothing than inflate the poster's ego.
No real value.
You're overthinking this, but I know some of the guys here love to coded location / name BS so they get an imaginary alpha male dopamine spike because they have a secret. Dumb AF.You hit the nail right on the head.
You're overthinking this, but I know some of the guys here love to coded location / name BS so they get an imaginary alpha male dopamine spike because they have a secret. Dumb AF.The idea that you're posting an address with an anecdotal (or otherwise) directly ascribed (and described) link to prostitution and see nothing to be concerned about is kind of amazing. I think you may be a little confused which one of us is on the receiving end of some kind of beta male dopamine spike. But sure, whatever works for you.
Superflytnt
08-28-23, 11:14
If you google the phone number of the place the results are their prostitution advertisements and prostitution review sites.
This is my last reply to this dumb issue. Let the admin and / or mod sort it out. My understanding is they do not want the phone numbers of the places posted, but location of the place, who you saw, what took place, and what you paid is the point of this forum.
Maybe you are in the wrong forum? Also, sorry to upset you.Right on, officer! Yes sir and right away will I visit that place!
James D 2004
08-28-23, 12:03
Who said anything about evidence in court? I'm talking about LE getting a warrant from a judge. You don't think they could / woulduse this site as reference? Why not? We're only talking about about probable cause.LOL. I guess you can. But it looks like you have no idea how OC works. They can search but that can't bust a business like that. It takes years. On the other hand, they can change license rules so they can inspect any time and you are not allowed to have doors.
LOL. I guess you can. But it looks like you have no idea how OC works. They can search but that can't bust a business like that. It takes years. On the other hand, they can change license rules so they can inspect any time and you are not allowed to have doors.This is in response to the other guy that was quoted.
Not even so much how OC works, it's how the judicial system works. Judge isn't going to issue a search warrant for anything, unless there is some kind of evidence. Could be as simple as a real person informant, that has knowledge of the business. This person has to have a real name, someone that is also deemed by the judge to be a reliable witness and isn't a competitor of a competing parlor trying to take out the parlor next door.
There is more, I'm sure, but anonymous members of this offshore forum, the web server logs, unless something has changed, admin2 claims to have never been turned over to LE or anyone else. A claim I have no reason to disbelieve, as this is offshore and why would this forum admins participate in some issue in a foreign country. Absolutely, zero benefit to the forum admin, and could only lead to issues should the admin participate.
Even if they could tie one of us to a forum handle, they would need our cooperation, which not sure any of us would cooperate. Nobody knows, if what I wrote about any one parlor is the truth, or me trying to send business to a parlor by writing a fake report.
There are other forums, other review boards and hell, the city business license department that keeps track of every massage parlor.
Giving out the address or any other information here or elsewhere makes little difference, aside from making it easier or harder for users of this forum to know where to go, or not to go.
This is in response to the other guy that was quoted.
Not even so much how OC works, it's how the judicial system works. Judge isn't going to issue a search warrant for anything, unless there is some kind of evidence. Could be as simple as a real person informant, that has knowledge of the business. This person has to have a real name, someone that is also deemed by the judge to be a reliable witness and isn't a competitor of a competing parlor trying to take out the parlor next door.
There is more, I'm sure, but anonymous members of this offshore forum, the web server logs, unless something has changed, admin2 claims to have never been turned over to LE or anyone else. A claim I have no reason to disbelieve, as this is offshore and why would this forum admins participate in some issue in a foreign country. Absolutely, zero benefit to the forum admin, and could only lead to issues should the admin participate.
Even if they could tie one of us to a forum handle, they would need our cooperation, which not sure any of us would cooperate. Nobody knows, if what I wrote about any one parlor is the truth, or me trying to send business to a parlor by writing a fake report..Your response makes good sense. Agreed.
Bro not everyone here are native english speakers, what does puss mean? I is gonorrhea? It is amazing how dick rules over brain of ours sometimes, I had been banging a latina other day in TJ, and she took of condom at the end of session. I did not put on new one, now stressing out because of this. In case if you didn't know nothing should come out in first 14 days.He misspelled pus as puss. Pus, not making fun, just stating, it is a commonly used word, not slang at all.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pus
NudeBeachPerv
09-13-23, 15:42
Hope it's okay to ask this question here.
Does anyone know if So Cal Circus is still operating?
Looks like they haven't ben posting updates.
Thanks.
Anybody knows of a hair salon with HE? I know of the one in GG on Brookhurst but she sux with haircut. Just hoping / dreaming of such a place. LOL.
TIA.
BraveNuPengwin
09-27-23, 20:06
Hope it's okay to ask this question here.
Does anyone know if So Cal Circus is still operating?
Looks like they haven't ben posting updates.
Thanks.Ringling bros?
Kevin has been MIA since the end of July. Word was he was living in Mexico except when he came up to host the parties. There are still posts on fet for his events but he posted them months ago and his account hasn't been active in the last two months.
Hope it's okay to ask this question here.
Does anyone know if So Cal Circus is still operating?
Looks like they haven't ben posting updates.
Thanks.
Kevin has been MIA since the end of July. Word was he was living in Mexico except when he came up to host the parties. There are still posts on fet for his events but he posted them months ago and his account hasn't been active in the last two months.On the run from Popo and trying to stay low.
VinnieJenkins
10-01-23, 19:23
Well out of the blue a former streetwalker I used to see back in the day. From the early 90's called me the other day. I was surprised she still had my burner number still. I would see her at least once a week. She said I was really cool with her never gave her problems.
Met in Long Beach on PCH. Back then PCH was hoping with girls. I would see her at her mom's house when I can. When she stayed in Upland either I or her would meet up at our place. Then when she got married. We lost contact. Until now. We talked a few times in the phone and chat about your lives now. Anyways she obviously divorce. She told she makes money doing, DoorDash, Instacart and Uber eats. So me being a horndog asked if she like extra money. She pause for a bit said she doesn't do that anymore. I said cool, no problem but if you change your mind let me know.
Well she call me a few days later said she would, only BBBJ's. And only Sat. Before her daughter gets home from work.
After I thought about it, I think she wanted to do this when she first contacted me, she just didn't want to come straight out tell me.
She will only see me, sorry guys.
That's quite the follow-up call from the past. Let us know if she is as much fun now as she was in the past.
Well out of the blue a former streetwalker I used to see back in the day. From the early 90's called me the other day. I was surprised she still had my burner number still. I would see her at least once a week. She said I was really cool with her never gave her problems.
Met in Long Beach on PCH. Back then PCH was hoping with girls. I would see her at her mom's house when I can. When she stayed in Upland either I or her would meet up at our place. Then when she got married. We lost contact. Until now. We talked a few times in the phone and chat about your lives now. Anyways she obviously divorce. She told she makes money doing, DoorDash, Instacart and Uber eats. So me being a horndog asked if she like extra money. She pause for a bit said she doesn't do that anymore. I said cool, no problem but if you change your mind let me know.
Well she call me a few days later said she would, only BBBJ's. And only Sat. Before her daughter gets home from work.
After I thought about it, I think she wanted to do this when she first contacted me, she just didn't want to come straight out tell me..
VinnieJenkins
10-08-23, 17:40
That's quite the follow-up call from the past. Let us know if she is as much fun now as she was in the past.Yea, so hook up with her yesterday when her daughter was at work. She still looks good a definite MILF status. Only a BBBJ with ice in her mouth wow damn I missed that feeling. Finished CIM. I will be seeing her when I can. I have to support this single mom.
Pineapples1
10-08-23, 19:05
Yea, so hook up with her yesterday when her daughter was at work. She still looks good a definite MILF status. Only a BBBJ with ice in her mouth wow damn I missed that feeling. Finished CIM. I will be seeing her when I can. I have to support this single mom.Let us know when her daughter wants to make some extra money too.
Heartless Jay
10-09-23, 23:03
I've had a lot of experience with waxing and wanted to share some thoughts on the matter.
Background: I waxed for years, professionally only (no extras) every other month. Then tried laser, which was much more effective. Around 10 treatments and now I just need a tune up wax a few times a year. I had no idea extras could be had until I read about it on this forum. Since then I've tried three places, two of which I found on Craigslist and one which was recommended on the forum.
1. Thy, really cute VT independent, working out of a shop in GG: She's young and pretty, and does a good job with the wax, meticulous. But her handy skills are terrible. It's like she makes the "ok" sign and gently rubs the top inch of your prick with it. As hot as she is, you'd think one of her boyfriends would've trained her better than this.
2. 7 Day Spa on Harbor in GG: Not the cutest girl, short and plump. Both the wax and the CFS were rushed. She left me with half the hair I started with and half a load in my underwear, still oozing out as she rushed me out the door.
3. Dahlia Spa on Tustin in Orange: Went there this weekend. Waxer was a cute VT lady, seemed to take her job really seriously, got every hair. Asked if I wanted a massage, and the way she handled my prick during the wax I said hell yes. But then she passed me off to a different girl, short, fat, and annoying. Weak 10 minute massage followed by an equally weak handy. And to top it off, whatever the waxer did, I've now got 2nd degree burns over my entire scrotum. WTF, fucking hurts. Now after a few days my sack feels like leather.
Summary: That's the last time I trust a non professional to wax me. I'll stick with a pro and get a pro result. Then I'll drive down the road to a trusted AMP and have a different pro suck my cock.
My two cents, for anyone who's listening.
I've had a lot of experience with waxing and wanted to share some thoughts on the matter.
Background: I waxed for years, professionally only (no extras) every other month. Then tried laser, which was much more effective. Around 10 treatments and now I just need a tune up wax a few times a year. I had no idea extras could be had until I read about it on this forum. Since then I've tried three places, two of which I found on Craigslist and one which was recommended on the forum.
1. Thy, really cute VT independent, working out of a shop in GG: She's young and pretty, and does a good job with the wax, meticulous. But her handy skills are terrible. It's like she makes the "ok" sign and gently rubs the top inch of your prick with it. As hot as she is, you'd think one of her boyfriends would've trained her better than this.
2. 7 Day Spa on Harbor in GG: Not the cutest girl, short and plump. Both the wax and the CFS were rushed. She left me with half the hair I started with and half a load in my underwear, still oozing out as she rushed me out the door.
3. Dahlia Spa on Tustin in Orange: Went there this weekend. Waxer was a cute VT lady, seemed to take her job really seriously, got every hair. Asked if I wanted a massage, and the way she handled my prick during the wax I said hell yes. But then she passed me off to a different girl, short, fat, and annoying. Weak 10 minute massage followed by an equally weak handy. And to top it off, whatever the waxer did, I've now got 2nd degree burns over my entire scrotum. WTF, fucking hurts. Now after a few days my sack feels like leather.
Summary: That's the last time I trust a non professional to wax me. I'll stick with a pro and get a pro result. Then I'll drive down the road to a trusted AMP and have a different pro suck my cock.
My two cents, for anyone who's listening.Second degree burns on your nut sack? Dude you really must have been hairy. Tiffany says every three months. Who's that young gal that she's working with? Last week I was there and some dude was standing in the doorway of the other room waiting for Tiffany to work work with the other gal. Dude had a big smile on his face.
Heartless Jay
10-11-23, 00:45
Second degree burns on your nut sack? Dude you really must have been hairy. Tiffany says every three months. Who's that young gal that she's working with? Last week I was there and some dude was standing in the doorway of the other room waiting for Tiffany to work work with the other gal. Dude had a big smile on his face.Nuts were not hairy at all. After all the laser treatments it's just fuzz with a few stray hairs here and there. But she still slathered the wax on thick and hot. That was at Dahlia.
7 day was with Tiffany, didn't see anyone else at the shop when I was there so I don't know what her underlings look like. It was odd though, when I was there she kept giving me the shush sign after fucking her, saying if I told anyone she was fucking she'd lose her job. Like it's a secret!
And the young cutie I mentioned has her own unmarked shop at a non descript strip mall in GG.
Like I said, no more amateurs for me. Waxers wax. Cocksuckers suck cock. I shall not mix the two in the future.
Nuts were not hairy at all. After all the laser treatments it's just fuzz with a few stray hairs here and there. But she still slathered the wax on thick and hot. That was at Dahlia.
7 day was with Tiffany, didn't see anyone else at the shop when I was there so I don't know what her underlings look like. It was odd though, when I was there she kept giving me the shush sign after fucking her, saying if I told anyone she was fucking she'd lose her job. Like it's a secret!
And the young cutie I mentioned has her own unmarked shop at a non descript strip mall in GG.
Like I said, no more amateurs for me. Waxers wax. Cocksuckers suck cock. I shall not mix the two in the future.HJ,
Just wandering who's the professional you recommend for lasering the hair, I've had laser on my back and shoulders and hair comes back after a while.
Is the OP a gal? Hope so, I wouldn't want anyone other than a female going around my private part.
Hoping to either have the hair removed permanently of at least for a long while.
Also, what's the cost for the privates part.
TIA.
Heartless Jay
10-14-23, 02:47
HJ,
Just wandering who's the professional you recommend for lasering the hair, I've had laser on my back and shoulders and hair comes back after a while.
Is the OP a gal? Hope so, I wouldn't want anyone other than a female going around my private part.
Hoping to either have the hair removed permanently of at least for a long while.
Also, what's the cost for the privates part.
TIA.I did all of my laser treatments at Contours off the 5 freeway at La Paz. Each time it was with a different nurse, all women, except for the last time it was a man. Pretty sure it was the same doctor who sold me my first bullshit cannabis card years ago. Uncomfortable for me, even though it really is a clinical procedure. Call ahead and ask who's doing the treatment. As for cost, it's typically expensive, as you pay by the minute. Early treatments take time, while later treatments can be 5 to 8 minutes. Sounds funny but I bought a package on Groupon, with a set number of treatments regardless of the time spent. After that, pay by the minute but watch for specials. Before you buy a groupon though, make sure they work on men. Most who do Brazilian only do women.
Maybe a bit unusual, but I'm looking for a provider, preferably a yoga instructor or girl experienced in yoga, who would do half an hour of naked yoga with me followed by half an hour of naked massage with a hand finish. Anybody ever experience or hear about any opportunities like this? Feel free to PM or respond here. Thanks!
Maybe a bit unusual, but I'm looking for a provider, preferably a yoga instructor or girl experienced in yoga, who would do half an hour of naked yoga with me followed by half an hour of naked massage with a hand finish. Anybody ever experience or hear about any opportunities like this? Feel free to PM or respond here. Thanks!Now that's a new request. Sounds interesting. I'd be interested in a personal trainer for a 30 min work out then a good sport massage with release.
Of course, if d need to see her at least 3 times a week to be effective.
PaperTiger24
11-09-23, 22:18
Maybe a bit unusual, but I'm looking for a provider, preferably a yoga instructor or girl experienced in yoga, who would do half an hour of naked yoga with me followed by half an hour of naked massage with a hand finish. Anybody ever experience or hear about any opportunities like this? Feel free to PM or respond here. Thanks!Never tried but been intrigued by Vivastrah in LA. https://www.vivastrah.com/.
Never tried but been intrigued by Vivastrah in LA. https://www.vivastrah.com/.Yeah, that's the idea. I had been thinking about this sort of thing and then saw Vivastrah. But I think it's no longer open and I also read a couple reviews that made it sound not so good. Happy to hear if others have had experiences.
Yeah, that's the idea. I had been thinking about this sort of thing and then saw Vivastrah. But I think it's no longer open and I also read a couple reviews that made it sound not so good. Happy to hear if others have had experiences.I don't think Vivastrah is still open. I never went but I do have a buddy who did. What I heard was great massage with a hot girl (he saw Mel), but at the end of the day it was an hour of doing naked Yoga, a little bit of body rub, and a HJ finish for a whopping $500.
The two main girls at Vivastrah were Mel (Melinda Thompson) and Shannon Marconi. Mel seems to still be operating as an independent and still has a booking page active, so you may be able to get a session with her: https://linktr.ee/melspirations Shannon's booking link directs to Vivastrah, so I don't know if she's still available for sessions, but she does post on social media still. https://linktr.ee/followthebuti.
Maybe a bit unusual, but I'm looking for a provider, preferably a yoga instructor or girl experienced in yoga, who would do half an hour of naked yoga with me followed by half an hour of naked massage with a hand finish. Anybody ever experience or hear about any opportunities like this? Feel free to PM or respond here. Thanks!Some k-girls practice yoga. Sexy Shannon is one of them. If she is comfortable with you, maybe you can arrange something with her.
Mr Plumber
11-11-23, 17:20
Haven't been through Whittier in a decade and driving along Whittier Blvd I see loads of choices. Massage and Foot Spa signs on every other block. Will have to revisit when not working. Any rec's from you Whittier experts? BBBJ and CFS after a decent massage are high on my priority list. Thanks!
Haven't been through Whittier in a decade and driving along Whittier Blvd I see loads of choices. Massage and Foot Spa signs on every other block. Will have to revisit when not working. Any rec's from you Whittier experts? BBBJ and CFS after a decent massage are high on my priority list. Thanks!Stay away from the motels / hotels on whittier blvd from Colima to the 605 fwy they will call the popo on you in a heartbeat!
Haven't been through Whittier in a decade and driving along Whittier Blvd I see loads of choices. Massage and Foot Spa signs on every other block. Will have to revisit when not working. Any rec's from you Whittier experts? BBBJ and CFS after a decent massage are high on my priority list. Thanks!I haven't read many reports here about Whittier, if you check out RM you can figure out what's going on at different MP just by seeing the # of reviews a MP has.
Another option is to pay for a month's worth ($25) and get what's available at each location. I've seen plenty of action at different places, FYI.
Mondo.
Maybe a bit unusual, but I'm looking for a provider, preferably a yoga instructor or girl experienced in yoga, who would do half an hour of naked yoga with me followed by half an hour of naked massage with a hand finish. Anybody ever experience or hear about any opportunities like this? Feel free to PM or respond here. Thanks!Google is your friend.
Google is your friend.Rolls eyes.
You think USA sex guide is always my first stop?
If you bothered to read down a couple of inches you would see the discussion of the obvious google result which I had already contacted and is now closed.
But thanks for the input.
I don't think Vivastrah is still open. I never went but I do have a buddy who did. What I heard was great massage with a hot girl (he saw Mel), but at the end of the day it was an hour of doing naked Yoga, a little bit of body rub, and a HJ finish for a whopping $500.
The two main girls at Vivastrah were Mel (Melinda Thompson) and Shannon Marconi. Mel seems to still be operating as an independent and still has a booking page active, so you may be able to get a session with her: https://linktr.ee/melspirations Shannon's booking link directs to Vivastrah, so I don't know if she's still available for sessions, but she does post on social media still. https://linktr.ee/followthebuti.Thanks Grimmy for all the background and color. Your posts are, as always, pure gold.
Dildo Baggens
11-12-23, 11:32
Whittier hasn't returned to its full glory of yesterday year, but there are a small handful of full service spots. There's 2 I've personally tried recently (3 months ago) which do offer BB service. One is on Painter and the other on Greenleaf. Sadly, neither give above average massage services, so I suggest just pay for a half hour if you are in need of release. Women are rotated quite often, so you don't get to establish a rapport like you use to ten years ago. Check out Bedpage and refine your search to Whittier escort on both the OC and San Gabriel threads.
-Baggens
Haven't been through Whittier in a decade and driving along Whittier Blvd I see loads of choices. Massage and Foot Spa signs on every other block. Will have to revisit when not working. Any rec's from you Whittier experts? BBBJ and CFS after a decent massage are high on my priority list. Thanks!
Mr Plumber
11-13-23, 00:33
Stay away from the motels / hotels on whittier blvd from Colima to the 605 fwy they will call the popo on you in a heartbeat!Hoping that sage advice is not from personal experience, HapaBoy. Thanks!
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.
AlexRodriguez
11-21-23, 16:50
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.(A) is the only right answer.
(A) is the only right answer.I think having an immigrant wife is also not a bad option. Most of them are not demanding or complain on anything. One senior friend of mine has Thai girlfriend, who by the way was an escort in Thailand. 20 years younger than him, gets a lots of free sex, good massage and perfect Thai food. He used to be a monger, but doesn't need that anymore with all the options he got after bringing her in States.
Rocketron1006
11-21-23, 19:17
(A) is the only right answer.Personally, I'd have to vote for Chinese-born, with conditions. There is some advantage to old-world values, ie, men aren't all dogs, it's ok to give them what they want, and, at least in my case, no GPS. I'd imagine Filipinas and Thais would be similar; the main difference possible being the increased likelihood of advanced higher education and career prospects for Chinese.
Mind you, this is a generalization and I'm sure there are exceptions on both sides of the equation--as I said, just my experience.
And, being a guy, no matter how good it is, there's still the penchant for variety.
I think having an immigrant wife is also not a bad option. Most of them are not demanding or complain on anything. One senior friend of mine has Thai girlfriend, who by the way was an escort in Thailand. 20 years younger than him, gets a lots of free sex, good massage and perfect Thai food. He used to be a monger, but doesn't need that anymore with all the options he got after bringing her in States.Oh what a good idea of having an escort / hooker and a very young one too as a girlfriend. They already know how to use men and leave them as being an abuser, they just have to say that and they stay. I know a Viet guy that made that mistake 2 x. I meet one in Vietnam and thought how this tiny man got this tall woman in pimps and mini skirt LOL. The second time he bought a brand new Lexus and she did the same as number 2. Abuser! Those gals learn a lot over there. There's a song about city girls I just can't remember it.
If I were to consider an overseas gal she'd have to be a country gal from Vietnam, Cambodia, China and PI. Those PI province gals come down the mountain and fuck everything in site! Yea if the gal hides from the sun and wants to be a white skinned premadona get what you can then check out and get a room across the street. Then you can look out the window and see what kind of gal she really is.
Dark skin country gals from Vietnam or Cambodia a good choice. Too many Chinese here LOL.
Don't bring gals here that work in a BJ barber shop here tell your friends.
Nowadays DHS will be checking to see if the gal is still with you.
Personally I'd rather just rent a girlfriend for a week and move on.
YellowFinTuna
11-25-23, 01:41
I think having an immigrant wife is also not a bad option. Most of them are not demanding or complain on anything. One senior friend of mine has Thai girlfriend, who by the way was an escort in Thailand. 20 years younger than him, gets a lots of free sex, good massage and perfect Thai food. He used to be a monger, but doesn't need that anymore with all the options he got after bringing her in States.LOL, until she gets her green card.
James D 2004
11-25-23, 02:40
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.A) is safest.
Import is very risky depending on your assets and the divorce laws. Ok if you don't have a heart. You don't know if they can be loyal. I have thought about regulars if I will go for them if I were single. But knowing them well it's hard to know if they really like you. They may not cheat for now but you may just be the ATM to them, big or small. And if you have a heart it can be broken. So it's all financial if they are worth it assuming it doesn't last too long. If you have a black heart it's perfect. Use them the best way you can if it's worth it to you.
Does nationality matters? You want to spend the least for a young and pretty wife? The US option is expensive.
Grunion Runner
11-25-23, 08:56
H) Imported Hispanic wife.I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
Plasma Spray
11-25-23, 19:45
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.The only sensible option is A!
BraveNuPengwin
11-26-23, 02:15
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.We have a saying in my family about Latinas in America, they develop Hollywood syndrome.
Do not bring any girl to USA. The whole reason why you have to look for a women elsewhere is because this country is dumping down the drain.
Mr Plumber
12-03-23, 04:20
Perusing Insta this evening and I came across this account with lots of what at BigBoDonk likes: queen. _. khushi_.
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.I bet you've never even been to TJ the both of you guys. You can thank the Vietnamese paying to get their women here. DHS got smart to that scam. Any guy that marries a hooker or bar girl is a flat out idiot. Traveling SEA and all the young gals getting sweet on me didn't work. I mean gals 20-30 younger than me. I'm guessing I traveled there 20+ years 2 x a year. There are many Latina and Asian gals out there that are good but you should be introduced by a family member. I know one guy brought a lady back from Vietnam and they have a normal family. Same as another guy married a Mexican lady and they have a nice family. I'm guessing there's guys like the thought of renting a wife for 30 minutes than going home to one.
Member #6593
12-06-23, 17:21
Anyone have any experiences on that site? I feel like their should be a thread for it, San Diego has one.
SoCalBrownBear
12-09-23, 01:47
Hey fellas been on this hobby for a while now. Mainly on HX, some PD if the donation isn't crazy, BP and CL back in the day. Well I recently came across ListCrawler wondering how reliable is it. I've seen a couple ads that look too good to be true. Haven't taken the plunge. Some ads are form providers that post on other sites. So I know they are legit. But wanted to get some fellow hobbyist feedback on that site. Thanks in advance.
Heartless Jay
12-09-23, 23:18
Hey fellas been on this hobby for a while now. Mainly on HX, some PD if the donation isn't crazy, BP and CL back in the day. Well I recently came across ListCrawler wondering how reliable is it. I've seen a couple ads that look too good to be true. Haven't taken the plunge. Some ads are form providers that post on other sites. So I know they are legit. But wanted to get some fellow hobbyist feedback on that site. Thanks in advance.This would be the perfect topic for your first post. TOFTT and visit a few of the list crawler girls, then report back. We'll be eagerly awaiting your feedback.
SoCalBrownBear
12-10-23, 01:14
This would be the perfect topic for your first post. TOFTT and visit a few of the list crawler girls, then report back. We'll be eagerly awaiting your feedback.Maybe I should've said I'm kind of new to this site as well. Didn't know a simple post like that would trigger your feelings like that. But thanks for the feedback I'll keep your advise in mind.
FarFarAway
12-10-23, 14:28
I am sure you are correct.
I just checked not logged in & couldn't find prescriptions search, prices & don't offer, I am sure, free shipping.
Being a member probably will get membership prices but I couldn't find nonmember prices to see how much that might be.Here's my problem. I am already a member at Costco (w / my SO). I don't want a record on my membership of the scrips I have gotten there. That could be accessed. I want a very discreet pharmacy, not part of a chain, not someplace I am already known. My real name is on the scrip I have just gotten from my physician. I need to just walk in w / that, and walk out w / my sildenafil. And they may have my name, but I will give them a fake address and my burner number.
Here's my problem. I am already a member at Costco (w / my SO). I don't want a record on my membership of the scrips I have gotten there. That could be accessed. I want a very discreet pharmacy, not part of a chain, not someplace I am already known. My real name is on the scrip I have just gotten from my physician. I need to just walk in w / that, and walk out w / my sildenafil. And they may have my name, but I will give them a fake address and my burner number.I think what I would do, is simply use a chain that isn't that doesn't have so many locations in your area and one you wouldn't likely use. Maybe, Walgreens, I think many people love or hate WalMart, maybe Vons. You get the idea.
Combine that with Good-RX, you'll get a significant discount. Probably worth the risk and the inconvenience of going to a pharmacy that isn't in your area.
Here's my problem. I am already a member at Costco (w / my SO). I don't want a record on my membership of the scrips I have gotten there. That could be accessed. I want a very discreet pharmacy, not part of a chain, not someplace I am already known. My real name is on the scrip I have just gotten from my physician. I need to just walk in w / that, and walk out w / my sildenafil. And they may have my name, but I will give them a fake address and my burner number.There are plenty of internet sites to get the blue pill or yellow Pill!
James D 2004
12-13-23, 01:10
Here's my problem. I am already a member at Costco (w / my SO). I don't want a record on my membership of the scrips I have gotten there. That could be accessed. I want a very discreet pharmacy, not part of a chain, not someplace I am already known. My real name is on the scrip I have just gotten from my physician. I need to just walk in w / that, and walk out w / my sildenafil. And they may have my name, but I will give them a fake address and my burner number.Online pharmacies don't check I'd's. You can ask them to send your med to any physical store say CVS. You pick up with your name and birthday you faked when you got your prescription.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-02-24, 21:02
Maybe I should've said I'm kind of new to this site as well. Didn't know a simple post like that would trigger your feelings like that. But thanks for the feedback I'll keep your advise in mind.This is nothing unusual. The fear is that guys get on here and take advantage of all the great tips, but then don't reciprocate by proving some info. Its thrown at new people all the time. In the military they call this "FNG" syndrome. Just write a report or two and share. You pretty much can't miss anywhere along Westminster Blvd, up in Stanton off of Beach, or most of the places on Brookhurst. Get a name, how much it costs, and items on the menu. Good luck.
Maybe I should've said I'm kind of new to this site as well. Didn't know a simple post like that would trigger your feelings like that. But thanks for the feedback I'll keep your advise in mind.Dudes going to be a Senio Member talking about members feeling sol. You say you have some experience so why don't you just tell us about your recent experiences? I chuckled to myself when I read the FNG thing.
I look at boards like this like a bank account. You have to make some deposits before you can make a withdrawal. The more you put in, the more you can take out.
Maybe I should've said I'm kind of new to this site as well. Didn't know a simple post like that would trigger your feelings like that. But thanks for the feedback I'll keep your advise in mind.
Anyone know of any ladies who use the female condom?
Just tried it in Korea and it was not bad?
Only downside is if ya gonna eat that pink taco you have to keep taking it in and out of the coochie.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-06-24, 23:30
Dudes going to be a Senio Member talking about members feeling sol. You say you have some experience so why don't you just tell us about your recent experiences? I chuckled to myself when I read the FNG thing.When I started out, I was going to legit places, and had no idea where one could find the extras. I stumbled onto such places on my own, and there seemed to be a paradigm shift about 6 years ago where many legit places went over to the dark side. I agree they should speak up, but I have more respect for a new guy who trying to get mongering career started, than certain individuals who post fake reviews or links to night fun pages.
I have more respect for a new guy who trying to get mongering career started, than certain individuals who post fake reviews or links to night fun pages.Well said.
Traveler8888
01-07-24, 19:10
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.I would select A.
With trips to Thailand.
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.I'd go with A. Travel a lot. Go to other countries and enjoy the action there. Importing anyone from any country has too much risk. Girls get use to the good life and soon want more. You talk to any of the girls that you see. A lot of them love expensive clothes, jewelry, cars, etc. Sooner or later they will want something more than your fat ass. Also a lot have family back home and will want to send money back to their family, or bring them over. As the saying goes, we don't pay to have sex with them, we pay them to leave when we're done.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-08-24, 02:33
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.Married men live longer than single men. Its surely about companship and maintaining a healtheir lifestye. Although with the female-centric divorce laws, its no wonder men don't want to buy a cow when they can get milk at the AMP.
I read a book years ago which argued that the best Asian wives for US men were. Asian-American women. The reasoning was that Asian-American women come from a family background of decades ago, when they held more traditional values. They also have the best of both worlds. That cute Asian look, but able to understand your jokes, and enjoy a 4th of July or camping trip.
As for marrying actual foreign women, based on my experience and numerous observations, Chinese are the absolute worst to consider. This is for the same reason why they are the best for AMPs because they value money more than morals. Historically, all Asian cultures lack the Western / European concept of love, and money / resources loom large in the equation. However, there are poor Asian countries like Thailand, Vietnam, and the Phillipines which are even poorer, but where a marriage is actually taken much more seriously and permanently. And richer countries like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have some element of that, but the come from countries with intact cultural heritages. The problem with Communist China is that over 75 years, the regime has systematically wrecked much of their own culture, and replaced it with crude materialism in a country of little means and great competition. Thats why we can visit a different AMP every day of the year, and find willing women. Frankly it amazes me that many of these Chinese women have abandoned spouses and children to come to a job "beneath the dignity" of a woman here. And some of them are quite attractive and it seems like a shame they devote their prime years to a dead-end job. Its evidence of the drive they operate under. Indeed, they will cheat on you, get a greencard and dump you, upgrade if possible, or merely nag you to give them more and buy them more stuff.
You can look at it from another point of view. If you hang around Japanese and Koreans, you see them doing things as couples even at older ages. They seem to have stable relationships. But if you hang around Chinese, you often see the wives travelling in groups or their cultural events mostly with women, without the husbands around at all. It seems the husbands either can't stand their own wives, or are busy making money and spending it on "second wives" or young girlfriends (and yes, that happens right here in the LA area).
Some guys marry very attractive younger Thai or Philipino girls (and there are websites just for dating those country women). Usually you get a fairly loyal non-demanding wife. But usually they expect you to send $300-500 per month to support their family back home. Philipinos in particular usually speak English pretty well, and they love to sing and are happy. Thai women are very easy-going albeit sometimes to the point of laziness, but they know how to cook a damn good meal, and give a massage.
Married men live longer than single men. Its surely about companship and maintaining a healtheir lifestye. Although with the female-centric divorce laws, its no wonder men don't want to buy a cow when they can get milk at the AMP.
snip
.Reminds me of the old joke:
Who dies first in a married couple where they have been together for decades.
The man.
Because he wants to.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-09-24, 01:07
Reminds me of the old joke:
Who dies first in a married couple where they have been together for decades.
The man.
Because he wants to.Reminds me of a Bill Maher joke. That the married man is like a house cat. Warm and fat. Looking out the window at the stray cat. The stray cat may only live half a long, but he does whatever he wants during that time.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-16-24, 09:53
I'd go with A. Travel a lot. Go to other countries and enjoy the action there. Importing anyone from any country has too much risk. Girls get use to the good life and soon want more. You talk to any of the girls that you see. A lot of them love expensive clothes, jewelry, cars, etc. Sooner or later they will want something more than your fat ass. Also a lot have family back home and will want to send money back to their family, or bring them over. As the saying goes, we don't pay to have sex with them, we pay them to leave when we're done.Have you considered Ukrainian, Slovenian, or Romanian women? I saw some youtube video of an organized tour of a bunch of American retired geezers and they were doing introductions to these hot Moldovan women. Kinda a dating vacation. They kinda paint a picture of the local guys being losers who drink, slap their wives around, hang out smoking on street corners with other losers. And so they are looking for some middle class US dudes to give them a decent life. Of course, any woman marrying for economic reasons might not have ever lasting loyalty. But many of these countries are more traditional, and women take marriage more seriously, no matter the preliminary motivation.
Have you considered Ukrainian, Slovenian, or Romanian women? I saw some youtube video of an organized tour of a bunch of American retired geezers and they were doing introductions to these hot Moldovan women. Kinda a dating vacation. They kinda paint a picture of the local guys being losers who drink, slap their wives around, hang out smoking on street corners with other losers. And so they are looking for some middle class US dudes to give them a decent life. Of course, any woman marrying for economic reasons might not have ever lasting loyalty. But many of these countries are more traditional, and women take marriage more seriously, no matter the preliminary motivation.I can organize a travel in summer, I speak local languages and been living in region over 10 years. Hit me up if you guys are interested.
So I got a text message from alleged pimp stating that he knows my address and wants money, obviously reported and blocked him. Went to youtube to do small research, apparently this thing is viral. Be safe guys, don't fall to scams.
Lift Her Up
01-23-24, 12:12
Please respond only if you are over 50 years old.
Best option for divorced guy in his 50 ies. Is to have:
A) no wife, stay single and mingle.
B) Imported Chinese wife.
C) Imported Thai wife.
D) Imported Korean wife.
E) Imported Viet wife.
F) Imported Filipina wife.
G) US born / raised asian wife.
H) Imported Hispanic wife.BBD, thanks for starting this conversation and thanks to all the guys who have written these thoughtful responses. I'd like to throw one more thing into the mix: Half-Asian girls. I've known a few in my professional life and they seem to maintain the understated subtle sensuousness that attraccts me to full Asians, while seemingly "getting" Western culture. I've never dated or laid any of them, so this is just my impression. I read an article about Half-Asian girls a few years ago, maybe in The Atlantic, I forget, claiming they made the best long-term partners. It got me thinking about about my own impressions.
Damn, life is so short!
Lift Her Up.
SoCalBrownBear
01-23-24, 13:58
So I got a text message from alleged pimp stating that he knows my address and wants money, obviously reported and blocked him. Went to youtube to do small research, apparently this thing is viral. Be safe guys, don't fall to scams.Same here I got the text I think on Saturday night. One text and then a second staying they were head of the sexual service house.
I blocked them and deleted the message sent it to the spam folder.
Here is the text I took a screen shot "Listen, I'm Martin oseguera, head of the Sexual Services House, I'm contacting you because you've been talking to some of my girls who offer you their services and you've only wasted their time and to prevent you from getting into serious trouble with us, contact me.
You will have to pay a fine of $5.
Thousand dollars to solve this the right way, otherwise we will do it in a violent way our sign is not a game.
Do not try to block me or turn off your phone because we have your personal information and that of your family. Contact me right now so we can resolve this peacefully without violence."
I did a quick search and yea apparently it's a scam or what not.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-23-24, 17:49
I can organize a travel in summer, I speak local languages and been living in region over 10 years. Hit me up if you guys are interested.What is your appraisal. My experiences with E European women is that they seem a bit sleazy, although not always. Some Romanians a pretty nice, and others not. I had one experience with a Bulgarian woman. She had her own room in a brothel, and she asked 25 for FS. I felt sorry for her and gave her 35 and told her to up her prices.
RedRoddddd
01-24-24, 00:53
What is your appraisal. My experiences with E European women is that they seem a bit sleazy, although not always. Some Romanians a pretty nice, and others not. I had one experience with a Bulgarian woman. She had her own room in a brothel, and she asked 25 for FS. I felt sorry for her and gave her 35 and told her to up her prices.Check out the red light districts in Germany. Polish, Russian, Romanian, crazy Chech ladies. Spanish girls. Like white Latinas. International houses. I didn't see any Thai ladies (not Hangover 2 ladyboys) like in the 80's;(best GFE ever. Can't pass up a trip to Bangkok. Bigger cities better selection and some Roman spa places if you want to put on a show or see a show in front of everybody. Frankfurt Munich and of course Berlin. Check for red light and the city you want online and enjoy. The pics are real! Happy hunting and good luck.
JulianSorel
01-27-24, 02:17
Saw this post and ended up going to a pretty well known motel in Westminster and I ended up with a little number named Lisa. She has a nice little body and natural soft little B cups and pert nipples.
She has a nice ass, but an unfortunate tattoo in front between her navel and coochie. (I have no idea why girls ruin themselves with this) Pussy was tight, she got on top for cowgirl and we switched to k9 finish. Room was decent and clean no bad smell and no drugs. She shares costs with her friend who also is available in a different room. Maybe a good option for those who like pint sized little Vietnamese cuties.
https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/femaleescorts/fountain-valley-westminster/23153687.html
Saw this post and ended up going to a pretty well known motel in Westminster and I ended up with a little number named Lisa. She has a nice little body and natural soft little B cups and pert nipples.
She has a nice ass, but an unfortunate tattoo in front between her navel and coochie. (I have no idea why girls ruin themselves with this) Pussy was tight, she got on top for cowgirl and we switched to k9 finish. Room was decent and clean no bad smell and no drugs. She shares costs with her friend who also is available in a different room. Maybe a good option for those who like pint sized little Vietnamese cuties.
https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/femaleescorts/fountain-valley-westminster/23153687.htmlNice, what's the damage?
NinjaChacha69
02-07-24, 23:34
Saw this post and ended up going to a pretty well known motel in Westminster and I ended up with a little number named Lisa. She has a nice little body and natural soft little B cups and pert nipples.
She has a nice ass, but an unfortunate tattoo in front between her navel and coochie. (I have no idea why girls ruin themselves with this) Pussy was tight, she got on top for cowgirl and we switched to k9 finish. Room was decent and clean no bad smell and no drugs. She shares costs with her friend who also is available in a different room. Maybe a good option for those who like pint sized little Vietnamese cuties.
https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/femaleescorts/fountain-valley-westminster/23153687.htmlWhat was the cost?
LabiaFedora
02-11-24, 03:00
Same here I got the text I think on Saturday night. One text and then a second staying they were head of the sexual service house.
I blocked them and deleted the message sent it to the spam folder.
Here is the text I took a screen shot "Listen, I'm Martin oseguera, head of the Sexual Services House, I'm contacting you because you've been talking to some of my girls who offer you their services and you've only wasted their time and to prevent you from getting into serious trouble with us, contact me.
You will have to pay a fine of $5.
Thousand dollars to solve this the right way, otherwise we will do it in a violent way our sign is not a game.
Do not try to block me or turn off your phone because we have your personal information and that of your family. Contact me right now so we can resolve this peacefully without violence."
I did a quick search and yea apparently it's a scam or what not.Violence is never the answer but against coercion, it may be necessary.
Violence is never the answer but against coercion, it may be necessary.Someone posts the number that these threatening tests come from here.
And what if, each of us texts that number to flood their phone.
Delete sure, but might be such a nuance that they think twice next time.
I've never gotten one, but these posts come through regulatory, and I'm of the opinion that my burner phone is insulated from my personal info.
I'd tell them come to my house, I'll have my own way of dealing with unwanted intruders.
Just a thought.
Someone posts the number that these threatening tests come from here.
And what if, each of us texts that number to flood their phone.
Delete sure, but might be such a nuance that they think twice next time.
I've never gotten one, but these posts come through regulatory, and I'm of the opinion that my burner phone is insulated from my personal info.
I'd tell them come to my house, I'll have my own way of dealing with unwanted intruders.
Just a thought.Problem with that texting thing is they can google your phone number and maybe find out where you live right?
Problem with that texting thing is they can google your phone number and maybe find out where you live right?Burner bought with cash.
No contract.
Refill cards bought with cash.
Don't forget though, California as liberal is it is here, is a castle law state.
One has no duty to retreat in their own home. You can defend your life (if you feel threatened) with deadly force.
I would hate though to do all the paperwork, that would be the real killer.
NudeBeachPerv
02-24-24, 23:32
Kevin has been MIA since the end of July. Word was he was living in Mexico except when he came up to host the parties. There are still posts on fet for his events but he posted them months ago and his account hasn't been active in the last two months.Thanks, looks like they are back at it now.
JulianSorel
03-15-24, 02:15
Sorry Irons and Ninja I wasn't ignoring you guys its just that I don't discuss fiduciaries since, boning a chick voluntarily or consensually is legal, however bringing the topic of FRN"s involved is material to creating a case. The world is a chess board, if you make the wrong move you get got.
I like the forums and the great topics however I only discuss if the providers are legit and the quality. I get good info here and I also like to share.
So here is my contribution, a cheaper alternative to the Burner phone: just download TextNow App, or Text Free.
Monger as you like, then delete from google play. Rinse and repeat.
Also, turn OFF your real phone on these appointments using this technique. Or turn off location, and turn off dashcams.
SukijoSeiwaka
03-15-24, 18:05
I'm researching AI porn replacing escorts and streetwalkers From the first experiment, AI won. Escorts took all day for responses or were scams, and streetwalking scenes are too inefficient amd bizarre. It took me less than 5 minutes to generate videos or AI VR girls who have 10/10 bodies and faces.
My next experiment will use a sex toy. Probably from the famous autoblow company. https://autoblow.com/product/autoblow-ai-ultra/.
See pics attached of the FF7 porn I used in the first experiment. What do you think I should also test in the next experiment?
Pics.
https://ibb.co/2kyBCsD
https://ibb.co/mtp4WL9
I'm researching AI porn replacing escorts and streetwalkers From the first experiment, AI won. Escorts took all day for responses or were scams, and streetwalking scenes are too inefficient amd bizarre. It took me less than 5 minutes to generate videos or AI VR girls who have 10/10 bodies and faces.
My next experiment will use a sex toy. Probably from the famous autoblow company. https://autoblow.com/product/autoblow-ai-ultra/.
See pics attached of the FF7 porn I used in the first experiment. What do you think I should also test in the next experiment?
Pics.
https://ibb.co/2kyBCsD
https://ibb.co/mtp4WL9What site did you use to make those images.
So here is my contribution, a cheaper alternative to the Burner phone: just download TextNow App, or Text Free.
.So, when you get robbed and the girl (s) and pimp / zaddy take your cell phone!
What ya going to do now?
Pretty easy to unlock someones phone these days and now all your info and etc is available to the girl and pimp.
What site did you use to make those images.Reverse image search. They pics have been floating around since 2022 - SukijoSelwaka posts crap just to get people talking to him.
SukijoSeiwaka
03-18-24, 11:10
What site did you use to make those images.They're captures from a video. Search tifa porn on xhamster.
I'm researching AI porn replacing escorts and streetwalkers From the first experiment, AI won. Escorts took all day for responses or were scams, and streetwalking scenes are too inefficient amd bizarre. It took me less than 5 minutes to generate videos or AI VR girls who have 10/10 bodies and faces.
My next experiment will use a sex toy. Probably from the famous autoblow company. https://autoblow.com/product/autoblow-ai-ultra/.
See pics attached of the FF7 porn I used in the first experiment. What do you think I should also test in the next experiment?
Pics.
https://ibb.co/2kyBCsD
https://ibb.co/mtp4WL9Hey did you know auto blow ai has videos out there for it that automatically sync? But I guess if you can make it own that quick who cares. Anyway if you get the $900 vaccuglide I think they still have a generous 30 day return (YMMV as that might have changed) anyway I've been researching vaccuglide from autoblow for about a month. It's a modern Venus 2000 or at least that's how it's marketing says it.
I'm looking for some real unpaid honest feedback before I spend 3 hr w / girls worth.
Anyway that's why I'm looking at it. 3 girls used to be 4 or 5 hrs with girls.
I'm researching AI porn replacing escorts and streetwalkers From the first experiment, AI won. Escorts took all day for responses or were scams, and streetwalking scenes are too inefficient amd bizarre. It took me less than 5 minutes to generate videos or AI VR girls who have 10/10 bodies and faces.
My next experiment will use a sex toy. Probably from the famous autoblow company. https://autoblow.com/product/autoblow-ai-ultra/.
See pics attached of the FF7 porn I used in the first experiment. What do you think I should also test in the next experiment?
Pics.
https://ibb.co/2kyBCsD
https://ibb.co/mtp4WL9Letting off a load on some AI / CGI shit is just bottom of the barrel. Surely that's a factor in Japan's low birth rate. They gungho on that vs any actual human interaction. I mean, you do you. Just not my cup of tea.
SukijoSeiwaka
04-18-24, 11:05
Paying $100.00+ for leads. Starting a porn production company.
Talent will be paid $800-1500.00.
Footage won't be distributed.
Talent must sign Non Disclosure Agreement and Talent Release Form.
18-30 only.
0 posts.
Smells like "bacon".
PsychDom188
05-07-24, 18:21
0 posts.
Smells like "bacon".Definitely not bacon just a lurker new to this.
Definitely not bacon just a lurker new to this.Okay. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Suggest you TOFTT at the places you asked about and report back.
Mr Plumber
05-16-24, 03:25
From Vanity Fair, a detailed look at all aspects of Mr. Kraft's prurient escapades at Orchid Spa. I found it filled with lots of "I could'a told you that" moments with regards to the actual numbers related to human trafficking, the willingness of Asian immigrants to enter the massage parlor sex trade sans force or fear, and where the punishment is meeted-out. And not fairly.
It's a long article but I found its details interesting: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft.
Iislali938
05-18-24, 17:19
From Vanity Fair, a detailed look at all aspects of Mr. Kraft's prurient escapades at Orchid Spa. I found it filled with lots of "I could'a told you that" moments with regards to the actual numbers related to human trafficking, the willingness of Asian immigrants to enter the massage parlor sex trade sans force or fear, and where the punishment is meeted-out. And not fairly.
It's a long article but I found its details interesting: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft.Interesting.
Widespread
05-29-24, 17:22
I know there is a page for ED stuff but I wonder what the local guys are using to help. I'm looking for non prescription but safe. Maybe the 7-11 counter helpers?
I know there is a page for ED stuff but I wonder what the local guys are using to help. I'm looking for non prescription but safe. Maybe the 7-11 counter helpers?The ingredient in watermelon that helps with blood flow. L-Citrulline. I discovered it by accident when I went on a high watermelon diet and was wondering why I was all of a sudden more horny than usual. You can get the supplement and take it in higher doses.
I know there is a page for ED stuff but I wonder what the local guys are using to help. I'm looking for non prescription but safe. Maybe the 7-11 counter helpers?On Amazon look for Rocket Peak.
Anything you guys could recommend that would work like Viagra for women?
I know there is a page for ED stuff but I wonder what the local guys are using to help. I'm looking for non prescription but safe. Maybe the 7-11 counter helpers?The 7-11 and Am / PM by my house the local Indian cashier has always told me the Rhino drinks are Very Very Popular!
There always selling out and I even asked a guy as I walked out after him. He said the Rhino drinks work better than the pills.
Anything you guys could recommend that would work like Viagra for women?Viagra does nothing to increase horniness or desire. If you want Viagra for women, suppose they'd get a hard clit? Not sure what that would be good for.
The 7-11 and Am / PM by my house the local Indian cashier has always told me the Rhino drinks are Very Very Popular!
There always selling out and I even asked a guy as I walked out after him. He said the Rhino drinks work better than the pills.FDA put out a warning on this drink.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-consumers-avoid-rhino-male-enhancement-products-found-retailers-because-undeclared-and
FarFarAway
06-01-24, 13:13
Anything you guys could recommend that would work like Viagra for women?Yea, they don't need to get hard, they need to get wet, and a tube of lube does fine for that.
FDA put out a warning on this drink.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-consumers-avoid-rhino-male-enhancement-products-found-retailers-because-undeclared-andThe FDA has been saying that for over 20 plus years.
The big Drug companies are pushing the FDA to go after the makers of all the Rhinos and other brands.
My sister just retired as a phrama rep for one of the big drug companies and she tells me all the shady shit and bullying drug companies do.
The FDA has been saying that for over 20 plus years.
The big Drug companies are pushing the FDA to go after the makers of all the Rhinos and other brands.
My sister just retired as a phrama rep for one of the big drug companies and she tells me all the shady shit and bullying drug companies do.The accusation is that some of their products contain the same ingredients found in Viagra and Cialis, but without requiring a prescription. So, a person could have a harmful drug interaction if he's taking it with certain other drugs. The same drugs a doctor would tell you not take when using ED med.
I've seen these but I don't know if they actually work out not. It seems to be popular.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=8a43c4591a19e45c&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWII3wnq92dpGuQW3rTJd6rEHLpGWpw:1717336150011&q=pink+pussycat&tbm=shop&source=lnms&prmd=isvnmbtz&ved=1 t:200715&ictx=111&biw=800&bih=1280&dpr=1. 5.
Anything you guys could recommend that would work like Viagra for women?
Widespread
06-08-24, 13:47
The ingredient in watermelon that helps with blood flow. L-Citrulline. I discovered it by accident when I went on a high watermelon diet and was wondering why I was all of a sudden more horny than usual. You can get the supplement and take it in higher doses.Just more horny? Or able to keep it up longer?
FarFarAway
06-09-24, 13:55
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/mississippi-trooper-fired-sex-tape-police-b2558708.html
DarkRoomDaddy
07-01-24, 02:40
Yea, they don't need to get hard, they need to get wet, and a tube of lube does fine for that.When women get turned on, they have blood flow to their privates too, and the whole machinery gets reved up. I have heard that some women have big clits like small dicks too. From experience with non-professionals, they need a little time, some hugging, maybe DFK, some gradual turn on, and maybe some emotional connection. Its hard to get all that going in a dark room while you are on the clock, and her colleagues and boss are a few feet away.
Samuel Ryanato
07-22-24, 23:36
Anything you guys could recommend that would work like Viagra for women?Be charismatic and funny?
Viagra is a cardiac medication that simply increases blood flow down there.
Have you guys ever thought why pussy tastes like sea?
Have you guys ever thought why pussy tastes like sea?Nah, wether it smells like starkist or bumble tuna when you know that smell!
You don't go diving into muff city even with a Mask!
BSouthgate
08-19-24, 20:23
When women get turned on, they have blood flow to their privates too, and the whole machinery gets reved up. I have heard that some women have big clits like small dicks too. From experience with non-professionals, they need a little time, some hugging, maybe DFK, some gradual turn on, and maybe some emotional connection. Its hard to get all that going in a dark room while you are on the clock, and her colleagues and boss are a few feet away.Respectfully disagree.
Women orgasm more frequently than men do. There is practically no limit to the number of Os a woman can enjoy in a day. See, for example, here. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-many-times-can-a-woman-come-in-a-row#refractory-period. It has little to do with emotional connection. They sometimes orgasm ten times during masturbation when there is no emotional connection at all.
There is a definite limit for men. Most of you have been with multi-orgasmic women. Right after their clits retract and, trembling, they clench your head with their knees, they need only a few seconds to invite more of your fingering and tonguing for the next O.
Their libido is more variable. There is great variation between women and between days of the month in a single woman. Some research shows that they orgasm more frequently and harder at the middle of their ovarian cycle.
Women, like men, do not have to be in love to enjoy sex and orgasm.
https://youtu.be/AxzELzbhZ_s
Boy, this guy sounds like a super-racist piece of work. (whf is a popcorn fart anyway?? - 3:55).
My take: After Trump takes over, unless California legalizes prostitution (fat chance of that happening), this will spread to other states including right here and in a big way. I also think a good chunk of the current crop of workers will either disappear, be deported or go under the radar for fear of being deported. Even if you're here legally, you get arrested for this or a similar offense, there's a good chance they'll try to deport you before you can say "I want to talk to my lawyer". Heck, they're even talking about "denaturalizing" and deporting naturalized US citizens who are otherwise legal, but may have committed some minor crime. My guess is that will never happen, but it gives an idea of where things are headed. I wouldn't be surprised that if fit hits the shan, a large number of the AMPs, and not just the CAMPs, will close down.
What do you guys think?
https://youtu.be/AxzELzbhZ_sAfter Trump takes over, unless California legalizes prostitution (I totally disagree, it's obvious that you aren't a fan of Trump, which is fine, I don't like him as a person either, but he's got bigger things on his agenda I think.
One thing I think we can agree on is most people would say Trump is a womanizer, famous for some of the stuff he's said actually.
So yeah, he campaigned on lots of stuff, and that will keep him busy (economy driven stuff), which will I think take priority over his call for deportations.
On Deportations, from what I've seen and read, he's going to start with the felons first (murderers, rapists, child molesters etc), and of that, concentrate on those that crossed the border illegally, not those that are here on work visas (like the Chineese in your linked story).
But, I could be wrong.
Overreaction x 100. Please stop trying to scare people.
https://youtu.be/AxzELzbhZ_s
Boy, this guy sounds like a super-racist piece of work. (whf is a popcorn fart anyway?? - 3:55).
My take: After Trump takes over, unless California legalizes prostitution (fat chance of that happening), this will spread to other states including right here and in a big way. I also think a good chunk of the current crop of workers will either disappear, be deported or go under the radar for fear of being deported. Even if you're here legally, you get arrested for this or a similar offense, there's a good chance they'll try to deport you before you can say "I want to talk to my lawyer". Heck, they're even talking about "denaturalizing" and deporting naturalized US citizens who are otherwise legal, but may have committed some minor crime. My guess is that will never happen, but it gives an idea of where things are headed. I wouldn't be surprised that if fit hits the shan, a large number of the AMPs, and not just the CAMPs, will close down.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think?I don't really want to get too much into politics but I think we'll be fine here in California. We set up alot sanctuary cities where local law enforcement agencies said they wouldn't really work with ICE to enforce immigration laws I believe LA just became one during his last term.
I don't really want to get too much into politics but I think we'll be fine here in California. We set up alot sanctuary cities where local law enforcement agencies said they wouldn't really work with ICE to enforce immigration laws I believe LA just became one during his last term.We will see how it's going to go. You should check out the Charlotte, NC board. I guess the state just passed a law making solicitation a felony starting December.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37208-New-law-going-into-effect-on-Dec-1-2024/page2
Hope these types laws stay in the Bible Belt and Project 2025 remains a thought piece rather than a blueprint for the morality police.
Holiday season means it's a good time to reminisce. I want to ask my fellow hobbyist a question. What's the best freebie you've gotten? It's no secret that girls open up their menus if they like you. How far have you gotten without paying for it?
Taliesin92
12-21-24, 15:07
So do all of you really send a picture of your Id, selfie, etc to these people? That seems so risky imo. Would love to see these girls but idk if that's worth the risk.Trust your gut. If it feels risky to you, that's because it is. I hate to sound like a broken record, but this question comes up a lot and I always say the same thing: Don't give up your Personally Identifying Information (PII). I never have and I never will. These agencies may seem benign, but keep in mind, they are criminal organizations. You need to protect yourself, and the best way of doing that is to stay anonymous.
Take the long road. Follow Download X's instructions below. It's more work, it takes more time, it's a pain in the ass, but it's worth it knowing that you can't be blackmailed, you can't be doxed, and the agency can't turn over your information someday when they get busted by Uncle LEO. They WILL give up their client list if it means getting a better plea deal. We've seen it happen before in many cases in many cities. Every agency says they won't keep your PII on file, but that's a lie. They have every reason to keep it, and no reason to delete it.
Once you have a few solid references in your pocket, you'll be able to see just about anyone. Some agencies might still want your PII, but if you tell them "No," and offer three solid Korean references instead, most of them will accept you. That's the way to go. And, by the way, the agencies that won't accept you with three solid Korean references — those are the BAD guys. Stay away from them. If they want your PII that badly, it's because they intend to use it against you someday.
Trust your gut. If it feels risky to you, that's because it is. I hate to sound like a broken record, but this question comes up a lot and I always say the same thing: Don't give up your Personally Identifying Information (PII). I never have and I never will. These agencies may seem benign, but keep in mind, they are criminal organizations. You need to protect yourself, and the best way of doing that is to stay anonymous.
Take the long road. Follow Download X's instructions below. It's more work, it takes more time, it's a pain in the ass, but it's worth it knowing that you can't be blackmailed, you can't be doxed, and the agency can't turn over your information someday when they get busted by Uncle LEO. They WILL give up their client list if it means getting a better plea deal. We've seen it happen before in many cases in many cities. Every agency says they won't keep your PII on file, but that's a lie. They have every reason to keep it, and no reason to delete it.
Once you have a few solid references in your pocket, you'll be able to see just about anyone. Some agencies might still want your PII, but if you tell them "No," and offer three solid Korean references instead, most of them will accept you. That's the way to go. And, by the way, the agencies that won't accept you with three solid Korean references those are the BAD guys. Stay away from them. If they want your PII that badly, it's because they intend to use it against you someday.I'd love to see an example of a client list leading to a plea deal. A korg having a text with your ID does nothing to prove that something criminal took place. It is not illegal to text a prostitute your ID and other information.
The most it could lead to is a coordinated sting / setup. There is no chance you get a cop at your door someday because they found your info on a client list. There just arent laws in place that make that a crime.
FarFarAway
12-22-24, 13:42
I'd love to see an example of a client list leading to a plea deal. A korg having a text with your ID does nothing to prove that something criminal took place. It is not illegal to text a prostitute your ID and other information.
The most it could lead to is a coordinated sting / setup. There is no chance you get a cop at your door someday because they found your info on a client list. There just arent laws in place that make that a crime.As many people say, however, it isn't the ultimate consequences we are fearful about. It is what happens if someone, anyone (LE or other) elects to pursue the personal info they can get if you give it up. A phone call to your real home phone (findable online easily if they know your real name) could absolutely destroy some people's lives. Personally and possibly professionally. This is why I would agree w / another poster, go the route recommended by others, get a track record by the slow, safe way.
That list of Ashley Madison customers (email, phone numbers, credit cards) is still available on the web. Don't you think the FBI is searching that when they are trying to vet candidates for political appointments? A private investigator would go there pronto if he was working on a divorce case.
I'd love to see an example of a client list leading to a plea deal. A korg having a text with your ID does nothing to prove that something criminal took place. It is not illegal to text a prostitute your ID and other information.
The most it could lead to is a coordinated sting / setup. There is no chance you get a cop at your door someday because they found your info on a client list. There just arent laws in place that make that a crime.Really?
When I text an organization, in addition to rate & location, I generally get a full list of do's and no's. And if any extra charge for something.
BBFS, BBBJ, CIM, DATO, FIV, FIA, the list continues, why would you want that tied to your real name?
Even if the org dosen't cop a plea, all the phones and such will be confiscated as evidence.
Perhaps LE won't go after the client list. But I for one am not taking that chance.
If people feel comfortable, in giving that info up. That's fine, but I bet most people would avoid if it's easy to avoid, and it is.
Really?
When I text an organization, in addition to rate & location, I generally get a full list of do's and no's. And if any extra charge for something.
BBFS, BBBJ, CIM, DATO, FIV, FIA, the list continues, why would you want that tied to your real name?
Even if the org dosen't cop a plea, all the phones and such will be confiscated as evidence.
Perhaps LE won't go after the client list. But I for one am not taking that chance.
If people feel comfortable, in giving that info up. That's fine, but I bet most people would avoid if it's easy to avoid, and it is.
I'd love to see an example of a client list leading to a plea deal. A korg having a text with your ID does nothing to prove that something criminal took place. It is not illegal to text a prostitute your ID and other information.
The most it could lead to is a coordinated sting / setup. There is no chance you get a cop at your door someday because they found your info on a client list. There just arent laws in place that make that a crime.Both of you are right, and perhaps wrong. I'd say, there is a chance that LE could show up at the door. All they could do is interview you, and if you offer self incriminating statements, that could lead somewhere. I don't think there is any legal issue with LE interviewing at the home, and that would pose a problem for many here.
Plea deals, LE will seize all phones / computers / etc, so unless the devices / documents are encrypted they would have it all on during the search warrant. The possibility of encrypted devices, is increasing year by year. I don't know the laws that might compel someone to divulge passwords and that sort of thing.
I'd suspect, a plea deal would only work, if the agency could lead to arrests to further take down the larger organization. I doubt a plea would be offered to arrest johns. Could happen, just not the usual thing they should be going after.
It's been a while since I've used an agency. From what I recall, going back a ways, they didn't communicate much if anything. Just a rate for the girl, which included what ever she offered as part of the service. No upgrades, just purely 30/60 minutes and the price.
Having said that much, I wouldn't want my name associated with BBFS / FS or any others from the cornucopia of acronyms that these folks use. I don't believe any of that alone is enough to convict someone, but it surely is enough to convict one in the eyes of a spouse / children / friends / acquaintances.
Taliesin92
12-22-24, 21:28
I'd love to see an example of a client list leading to a plea deal. A korg having a text with your ID does nothing to prove that something criminal took place. It is not illegal to text a prostitute your ID and other information.
The most it could lead to is a coordinated sting / setup. There is no chance you get a cop at your door someday because they found your info on a client list. There just arent laws in place that make that a crime.Have you ever heard of Google, my friend? Look it up. Seattle in 2016. Boston and Northern Virginia earlier this year. Countless other cases. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it has never happened.
Do you know the guys in Seattle were busted for writing reviews? Not for soliciting prostitution. Not for human trafficking. For writing reviews on the internet.
"But that's not illegal," I hear you saying. Well, guys in Seattle went to jail for it. And guess who made a plea deal by giving up her client list and telling the cops everything she knew?
Yeah, go look it up. You can read the newspaper articles, but if you really want to know what happened, then read the court documents, as I have. They are public information, and they are very eye-opening. It is easy for any one of us to go to jail for participating in this hobby. The authorities view male customers as the real criminals. If your name winds up on a client list, that is the first step toward some potentially very bad things happening to you.
JonathonJammer
12-22-24, 23:00
Have you ever heard of Google, my friend? Look it up. Seattle in 2016. Boston and Northern Virginia earlier this year. Countless other cases. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it has never happened.
Do you know the guys in Seattle were busted for writing reviews? Not for soliciting prostitution. Not for human trafficking. For writing reviews on the internet.
"But that's not illegal," I hear you saying. Well, guys in Seattle went to jail for it. And guess who made a plea deal by giving up her client list and telling the cops everything she knew?
Yeah, go look it up. You can read the newspaper articles, but if you really want to know what happened, then read the court documents, as I have. They are public information, and they are very eye-opening. It is easy for any one of us to go to jail for participating in this hobby. The authorities view male customers as the real criminals. If your name winds up on a client list, that is the first step toward some potentially very bad things happening to you.So unless it's caught on video or seen by law enforcement they can not prosecute you for it and win! I hear you did they do it maybe but the only case they might of won or plead out is the ones where idiots were so scared and sang like canaries. Cops needs hard evidence to find you guilty not a list of names. Like the blade on Fig put up cameras and is sending pics of you and your vehicle now if you are caught in the area. You think they would send you a letter with pictures if they could just come to your home and arrest you? They trying to scare you!! I guess point of the story is keep your mouth shut!
SukijoSeiwaka
12-23-24, 02:28
Have you ever heard of Google, my friend? Look it up. Seattle in 2016. Boston and Northern Virginia earlier this year. Countless other cases. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it has never happened.
Do you know the guys in Seattle were busted for writing reviews? Not for soliciting prostitution. Not for human trafficking. For writing reviews on the internet.
"But that's not illegal," I hear you saying. Well, guys in Seattle went to jail for it. And guess who made a plea deal by giving up her client list and telling the cops everything she knew?
Yeah, go look it up. You can read the newspaper articles, but if you really want to know what happened, then read the court documents, as I have. They are public information, and they are very eye-opening. It is easy for any one of us to go to jail for participating in this hobby. The authorities view male customers as the real criminals. If your name winds up on a client list, that is the first step toward some potentially very bad things happening to you.It's pretty clear cut in Cali. Just don't explicitly ask for sex with words.
Taliesin92
12-23-24, 11:20
In the Seattle case, the problem was mongers were involved in the business.A small number of them were. The vast majority of them were not. You shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush. That's what the King County prosecutor tried to do. Also, keep in mind, the only person who received a multi-year felony prison sentence was convicted for writing reviews on the internet, so-called "promoting" prostitution. He was NOT convicted of anything related to running a business, or profiting at all from the business.
And if you are referring to LAKS, there was no membership fee. I was a member and I never paid a dime. If someone asked you for money, that was a scam.
There is so much misinformation floating around about the Seattle case, it's really amazing. If you want to know the truth about what happened, you need to read the court documents. I realize that takes a lot of time. The only other good source of information is Elizabeth Nolan Brown, senior editor at Reason magazine. She is a former provider-turned-journalist who advocates for the rights of sex workers. She actually read the court docs and interviewed many of the men who were railroaded in that case. If you must read the press coverage, she is the only reliable source.
The authorities lied repeatedly about the allegations in that case, and most of the press repeated those lies like dutiful little stenographers. The only place they couldn't lie was in the court documents, where you can see exactly how flimsy the case was. It rested entirely on nothing but an old 1970's-era state law that is clearly unconstitutional. The problem was, there was so much hysteria over "human trafficking" at that time, no judge was willing to do the right thing and throw out the case.
Note: No one was ever charged with "human trafficking. " Not even one person. Despite the fact that the District Attorney, the Sheriff and all the initial newspaper headlines screamed "HT. ".
.Cops needs hard evidence to find you guilty We aren't in North Korea, the cops don't find you guilty.
All the cops need to make your life a living hell is. Well, nothing more than a suspicion, and sometimes not even that.
If you are comfortable in giving your real name & related info to a C-Org, go for it, no one is stopping you.
However, by spreading false info, you are not helping your fellow 'hobbyist'.
The way it works, is LE arrests people they think might be involved in a crime, and then it's up to the the & related to press charges & take it through the system.
If you are ok with spending hobby money fighting a case, however unlikely charges are to be brought, hey. Great if you have nothing to loose, most of us find it smarter to avoid that possibility all together.
Stop being stupid.
Taliesin92
12-23-24, 17:41
I guess point of the story is keep your mouth shut!I love how all the amateur lawyers come out of the woodwork whenever this topic comes up. LOL!
The only good advice you gave is to "keep your mouth shut. " And ask for a lawyer. That's the best thing you can do if you are ever arrested in any situation.
Meanwhile, I simply urge you, if you want to know what really happened in these cases, go read the court documents. You clearly have no idea how the legal system works. In Seattle, for instance, literally NO ONE was caught on camera or audio recording asking a woman for sex, or offering money for sex. Not one person.
Go educate yourself before spewing misinformation all over the board.
It is true that California law differs from Washington state law, but if Uncle LEO ever decides he wants to get you, believe me, he will get you. The best thing you can do is to stay anonymous, fly under the radar, and never give him a reason to come after you.
Keeping your real name OFF an agency's client list is a good place to start.
Lift Her Up
12-23-24, 19:02
Also, keep in mind, the only person who received a multi-year felony prison sentence was convicted for writing reviews on the internet, so-called "promoting" prostitution. He was NOT convicted of anything related to running a business, or profiting at all from the business.Any idea how the District Attorney was able to get to his real name from the handle he must've used when posting on that board?
Lift Her Up.
P.S. I tried to abbreviate "District Attorney" but the site's autocorrect changed the common abbreviation to "the. ".
Taliesin92
12-23-24, 21:34
Any idea how the District Attorney was able to get to his real name from the handle he must've used when posting on that board?The police had several ways of identifying the men. Some were identified by their IP addresses. Their internet service providers gave them up without any objections. The IP addresses connected the men directly to the reviews they posted online. (This is why it's a good idea to use a VPN. Every smart monger I know today uses one.).
Google also gave up tons of information on guys who used what they thought were anonymous Gmail addresses. During one man's trial, many of his Google messages were held up and displayed for the jury to read. (This is why we use encrypted ProtonMail now.).
And some were identified the old fashioned way. When a dozen of the guys got together at a local restaurant, police took photos of their license plates and got their names and addresses from the Washington State Department of Licensing.
Guys who did not attend those types of events, instead, got a knock on the door at their homes. They were arrested in front of their families.
King County spent more than $2. 5 million investigating that case. They were able to get everything they needed without ever witnessing an actual act of prostitution.
Have you ever heard of Google, my friend? Look it up. Seattle in 2016. Boston and Northern Virginia earlier this year. Countless other cases. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it has never happened.
Do you know the guys in Seattle were busted for writing reviews? Not for soliciting prostitution. Not for human trafficking. For writing reviews on the internet.
"But that's not illegal," I hear you saying. Well, guys in Seattle went to jail for it. And guess who made a plea deal by giving up her client list and telling the cops everything she knew?
Yeah, go look it up. You can read the newspaper articles, but if you really want to know what happened, then read the court documents, as I have. They are public information, and they are very eye-opening. It is easy for any one of us to go to jail for participating in this hobby. The authorities view male customers as the real criminals. If your name winds up on a client list, that is the first step toward some potentially very bad things happening to you.So I looked up the things you are referencing (we can just ignore the fact that this is part of a CA forum and Seattle isn't relavent) and what happened in those cases, if I'm looking at the correct ones, was exactly what I said was the only possibility. That they setup a sting.
Seattle seems to have some really strict laws specifically that target johns. But all the cases I see are stings.
The one from the internet forum jsut like this one was way more involved than just posts on the forum. These johns were having real life meets ups, which an undercover cop infiltrated, and these johns were involved in moving the girls around, driving them to and from the airport etc. This had wire taps and search warrants and everything else. Unless there are other cases this is all way more involved than the simple discussion here.
A setup/sting is always possible and I would wager the most likely way you get in legal trouble. If you avoid asking for sex for money in texts, which you can do, and you dont get caught in the act you are pretty safe legally speaking.
I think the cases you bring up are worth knowing about but its a pretty extreme example and outlier. These all go well beyond simple solicitation or prostitution charges.
Any idea how the District Attorney was able to get to his real name from the handle he must've used when posting on that board?
Lift Her Up.
P.S. I tried to abbreviate "District Attorney" but the site's autocorrect changed the common abbreviation to "the. ".Most websites and discussion boards, including this ONE have logging capability. [Deleted by Admin]
I'm going to delete this because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I they ever subpoenaed us it would be difficult since the owner is Argentine, our answer would be "we are sorry, we don't log IP addresses, we can't help you." If they wanted proof of that they would have to subpoena our servers in Malaysia.
A2
Lift Her Up
12-24-24, 13:27
The police had several ways of identifying the men. Some were identified by their IP addresses. Their internet service providers gave them up without any objections. The IP addresses connected the men directly to the reviews they posted online. (This is why it's a good idea to use a VPN. Every smart monger I know today uses one.).
Google also gave up tons of information on guys who used what they thought were anonymous Gmail addresses. During one man's trial, many of his Google messages were held up and displayed for the jury to read. (This is why we use encrypted ProtonMail now.).
And some were identified the old fashioned way. When a dozen of the guys got together at a local restaurant, police took photos of their license plates and got their names and addresses from the Washington State Department of Licensing.
Guys who did not attend those types of events, instead, got a knock on the door at their homes. They were arrested in front of their families.
King County spent more than $2. 5 million investigating that case. They were able to get everything they needed without ever witnessing an actual act of prostitution.Thank you for your straightforward and thorough response. Very helpful.
Lift Her Up.
Taliesin92
12-24-24, 14:00
I think the cases you bring up are worth knowing about but its a pretty extreme example and outlier.Of course it is. But it's also a great example of the lengths that law enforcement is willing to go to ruin our lives when they feel like it. As I said, they spent $2. 5 million investigating that case. They spent two years on it. And, yes, there was an undercover cop involved. But it was the electronic surveillance that really did the damage (the IP tracking, the Gmail messages, and the license plate scans). That's what provided the proof they used in court.
There are steps you can take to protect yourself from all of that. Are they 100%? No. But why wouldn't you at least make the effort to protect yourself? Don't give up your real information to bookers. Stay anonymous. Use a VPN. Use encrypted email and text messaging. And, needless to say, don't attend group events with other mongers.
I don't understand why anyone would argue against taking such sensible measures. But I hear guys in this discussion forum arguing against it all the time. Makes no sense.
Taliesin92
12-24-24, 14:49
The one from the internet forum jsut like this one was way more involved than just posts on the forum.You need to read all the way to the end. When everything was said and done, there was only one person who got serious prison time (5 years). And it wasn't for soliciting prostitution, or human trafficking, or driving k-girls around town, or leasing apartments for them. His eleven felonies were all based on the reviews that he had written and posted on various sex boards.
I know guys find that hard to believe. But that's exactly what happened. He went to jail for 5 years on felony charges for writing reviews. Not for anything else.
There is nothing at all the same about the site the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in Bellevue started and this one. The guy who owned it was in the US, the servers were in the US and he insisted on meeting people before they became members. Those guys used to meet at restaurants around Bellevue and compare stories and didn't care who heard them. Eventually the cops sent somebody around who joined the group and took it apart from the inside.
Our servers are in Malaysia, NONE of us are in the US, not a one of us. The URL is registered in a country that doesn't respond to subpoenas, (see the .nl at the end of the address) and we are not US owned. None of you are known to us, I couldn't authenticate a user if they tried to make us. We don't have your name, no credit card info, no addresses no IP addresses, nothing. We are as anonymous as a site can possibly be. About the only way you could be tied to this site would be if you got caught like DPR did with the site open on your phone or laptop.
This pops up every couple years and some assholes like to tell horror stories.
Some of you guys who have been around might remember that we were closed for a few months after Fosta/Sesta got signed. That's when we moved everything out of the country.
Some of you guys make me laugh with the things you claim to know.
A2
You need to read all the way to the end. When everything was said and done, there was only one person who got serious prison time (5 years). And it wasn't for soliciting prostitution, or human trafficking, or driving k-girls around town, or leasing apartments for them. His eleven felonies were all based on the reviews that he had written and posted on various sex boards.
I know guys find that hard to believe. But that's exactly what happened. He went to jail for 5 years on felony charges for writing reviews. Not for anything else.It was because he created and operated the website the reviews were written on.
"Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters — who used the handles “PeterRabbit” and “TomCat007” in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women — was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.
“He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest,” a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as “K girls.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/ringleader-of-sex-buyer-group-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-gets-more-than-3-years-in-prison/
A2
Taliesin92
12-24-24, 22:03
There is nothing at all the same about the site the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in Bellevue started and this one.Who said there was? I never said a word about this site. If I was worried about it, I wouldn't be posting here.
Taliesin92
12-24-24, 22:18
It was because he created and operated the website the reviews were written on.
"Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters who used the handles PeterRabbit and TomCat007 in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.
He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest, a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as K girls.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/ringleader-of-sex-buyer-group-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-gets-more-than-3-years-in-prison/
A2That's incorrect. You are confusing Peters with a group who owned and maintain The Review Board in the Seattle area. TRB and the so-called League were two separate things. LAKS was a separate thing. Kgirldelights was a separate thing. The prosecution attempted to lump them all together into one ominous sounding criminal organization, when that was NEVER the case. Some members overlapped, but it was not an organized crime ring, nor was Peters charged with any of that in court. He was charged with writing reviews, aka, "promoting prostitution. " All eleven felonies were for writing reviews. Nothing else. Look it up.
If you would read the court documents, or the Reason magazine story (instead of the lying Seattle Times), you would have the correct information.
That's incorrect. You are confusing Peters with a group who owned and maintain The Review Board in the Seattle area. TRB and the so-called League were two separate things. LAKS was a separate thing. Kgirldelights was a separate thing. The prosecution attempted to lump them all together into one ominous sounding criminal organization, when that was NEVER the case. Some members overlapped, but it was not an organized crime ring, nor was Peters charged with any of that in court. He was charged with writing reviews, aka, "promoting prostitution. " All eleven felonies were for writing reviews. Nothing else. Look it up.
If you would read the court documents, or the Reason magazine story (instead of the lying Seattle Times), you would have the correct information.How about a link to the non-fake news Reason article you cherish? I'd like to read it. Also, a link to those court documents would be nice if you want folks to see what you keep mentioning.
Taliesin92
12-25-24, 16:59
How about a link to the non-fake news Reason article you cherish? I'd like to read it. Also, a link to those court documents would be nice if you want folks to see what you keep mentioning.Here's the Reason article:
https://reason.com/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking/
Pay particular attention when it starts explaining how the District Attorney's narrative fell apart.
"The systematic importation of vulnerable young women for sexual abuse, exploitation, and criminal profiteering has been going on for years and it came to a stop this week," Satterberg added. "This is what human trafficking looks like." ... But as more information about the case has become available, Satterberg's narrative starts to break down. The realityas evidenced by police reports, court documents, online records, and statements from those involvedis far less lurid and depraved. Instead of a story of stark abuse and exploitation, it's a story of immigration, economics, the pull of companionship and connection, the structures and dynamism that drive black markets, and a criminal-justice system all too eager to declare women victims of the choices they make.
The court documents, as I noted earlier, are available from King County and a pain in the ass to order them and read through such a high volume of material. But for anyone with the wherewithal to do it, the court docs provide great insight into law enforcement lies and corruption. I read them real time, while the case was winding its way through the court system, including the appeals process. The other dismaying aspect of this whole charade was how the press (except for Reason) repeated the District Attorney's lies, when the court docs clearly contradicted what he was saying publicly about "human trafficking" and the girls being "victims" who were forced to work against their will. It was all bullshit, piled on top of bullshit.
https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/dja/courts-jails-legal-system/case-records/records-access
King County turned what should have been a minor misdemeanor case into a mountain of illegitimate felony charges that ruined the lives of dozens of good men, nearly all of whom had no criminal record prior to that. Most of the men took plea deals, because they didn't have the resources or the desire to fight the case. Peters fought the law, and lost, because the entire system was determined to railroad him. Any reasonable person who takes the time to look at the actual facts of this case (and not the government and media hysteria) would come to the same conclusion.
Here's the Reason article:
https://reason.com/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking/
Pay particular attention when it starts explaining how the District Attorney's narrative fell apart.
"The systematic importation of vulnerable young women for sexual abuse, exploitation, and criminal profiteering has been going on for years and it came to a stop this week," Satterberg added. "This is what human trafficking looks like." ... But as more information about the case has become available, Satterberg's narrative starts to break down. The realityas evidenced by police reports, court documents, online records, and statements from those involvedis far less lurid and depraved. Instead of a story of stark abuse and exploitation, it's a story of immigration, economics, the pull of companionship and connection, the structures and dynamism that drive black markets, and a criminal-justice system all too eager to declare women victims of the choices they make.I hadn't gone back far enough in her stuff. She's clearly got a thing for calling out the government on "sex" or "human" trafficking bullshit. May the good lord bless her. Here's another one of hers that I read earlier today, and more recent.
Massage Parlor Panic
https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/
Taliesin92
12-26-24, 15:17
I hadn't gone back far enough in her stuff. She's clearly got a thing for calling out the government on "sex" or "human" trafficking bullshit. May the good lord bless her. Here's another one of hers that I read earlier today, and more recent.
Massage Parlor Panic
https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/Yes, Elizabeth Nolan Brown is one of the few journalists in the world covering this business in a fair and objective manner. She doesn't shy away from the occasionally ugly side of it, but she's also not afraid to expose the government lies and corruption that infect nearly every prosecution in the pay-for-play world. She deserves more attention for her stellar work, but of course she will never get it. She's made too many enemies by telling the truth.
TapDisBong
12-27-24, 00:49
I saw a lot of those girls who were "liberated" by the Bellevue and KC police. I remember seeing my ATF 2 days before the raids. There were contractors all over the housing complex where Mischa ran the main AMP. That day my spidey senses were going crazy. My ATF asked me to write a review, which I'm glad I did not because lots of those guys who wrote a review got popped when other mongers would ask in an email if they would recommend the provider. Val Richey and KC got warrants to search email providers for those people who had posted on TRB. If they found any personally identifiable information linking you to your email account and you had something positive to say about a hooker, they busted you.
Anyway, the whole thing was fucking bullshit as it was all funded by Swanee Hunt who wanted to make an example out of hobbyist. During late 2010's Seattle basically experienced the Monger's Salem Witch Hunt funded by a bunch of batshit crazy feminist. They were so worried about people paying for sex that you could get a way with doing drugs on the street and the cops wouldn't do shit.
A small number of them were. The vast majority of them were not. You shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush. That's what the King County prosecutor tried to do. Also, keep in mind, the only person who received a multi-year felony prison sentence was convicted for writing reviews on the internet, so-called "promoting" prostitution. He was NOT convicted of anything related to running a business, or profiting at all from the business.
And if you are referring to LAKS, there was no membership fee. I was a member and I never paid a dime. If someone asked you for money, that was a scam.".
TapDisBong
12-27-24, 02:07
Am I allowed to post the TRB court documents?
Am I allowed to post the TRB court documents?Admin will correct me if I'm wrong, the posting guidelines state a several restrictions including.
Please DO NOT post arrest or incarceration reports about any private individual. (Reports and links to media stories about LE activities are acceptable).
Please REDACT names and address numbers from posted copies of media reports. (Please use "XXXXXXXXXX" to blank out names and address numbers).
I'd assume court records would fall under the spirit of arrest / incarceration reports. You could redact the names and it seems like that would follow the spirit of the restrictions. Maybe admin could clarify.
Taliesin92
12-27-24, 15:23
I saw a lot of those girls who were "liberated" by the Bellevue and KC police. I remember seeing my ATF 2 days before the raids. There were contractors all over the housing complex where Mischa ran the main AMP. That day my spidey senses were going crazy. My ATF asked me to write a review, which I'm glad I did not because lots of those guys who wrote a review got popped when other mongers would ask in an email if they would recommend the provider. Val Richey and KC got warrants to search email providers for those people who had posted on TRB. If they found any personally identifiable information linking you to your email account and you had something positive to say about a hooker, they busted you.
Anyway, the whole thing was fucking bullshit as it was all funded by Swanee Hunt who wanted to make an example out of hobbyist. During late 2010's Seattle basically experienced the Monger's Salem Witch Hunt funded by a bunch of batshit crazy feminist. They were so worried about people paying for sex that you could get a way with doing drugs on the street and the cops wouldn't do shit.Yes! It's great to see a post from someone who knows the facts of the case. The Swanee Hunt angle was another totally insane aspect of this shitshow. She was paying to impose her brand of "justice" on men because her own father — a wealthy Texas oil man — was a frequent monger himself. In what world is THAT legal? She should have been thrown in jail herself, along with the King County prosecutors who took her money and promptly followed her orders.
The Associated Press wrote about it. I'm trying to find that article now because I know most guys here won't believe that actually happened. But it did.
I saw a lot of those girls who were "liberated" by the Bellevue and KC police. I remember seeing my ATF 2 days before the raids. There were contractors all over the housing complex where Mischa ran the main AMP. That day my spidey senses were going crazy. My ATF asked me to write a review, which I'm glad I did not because lots of those guys who wrote a review got popped when other mongers would ask in an email if they would recommend the provider. Val Richey and KC got warrants to search email providers for those people who had posted on TRB. If they found any personally identifiable information linking you to your email account and you had something positive to say about a hooker, they busted you.
Anyway, the whole thing was fucking bullshit as it was all funded by Swanee Hunt who wanted to make an example out of hobbyist. During late 2010's Seattle basically experienced the Monger's Salem Witch Hunt funded by a bunch of batshit crazy feminist. They were so worried about people paying for sex that you could get a way with doing drugs on the street and the cops wouldn't do shit.
Yes! It's great to see a post from someone who knows the facts of the case. The Swanee Hunt angle was another totally insane aspect of this shitshow. She was paying to impose her brand of "justice" on men because her own father a wealthy Texas oil man was a frequent monger himself. In what world is THAT legal? She should have been thrown in jail herself, along with the King County prosecutors who took her money and promptly followed her orders.
The Associated Press wrote about it. I'm trying to find that article now because I know most guys here won't believe that actually happened. But it did.I read the articles, but didn't go running for the court docs, since it looks like a time sink to hunt them all down. I do think there's a lot of differences between this particular site and the ones we are discussing here, namely the location of the server, ownership, etc. That being said, you are correct: People were prosecuted and their reviews were used as evidence.
From what I can tell, let's look at some factors that allowed the government to pinch these guys: They didn't protect their PII at all. Suppose you're not using a "no-logs" VPN (preferably one you pay for that doesn't collect your info (mullvad comes to mind); you aren't safe. If you use the same username across all the sites for hookers, you aren't being safe. If you don't use a private email service like Protonmail, you aren't being safe. If you're doing public meetups in bars and loudly discussing your hooker hobbies, you aren't being safe. Banging hookers isn't a team sport, IMO, at least in the US.
Some of these poor dipshits did everything they could to help the cops find them. And the assholes that funded this couldn't resist.
And finally, if you don't like the fact that the prosecution used private donors to fund this witch hunt, well, hold on to your hat. You ain't seen nothing yet.
TapDisBong
12-27-24, 17:52
I don't know if I ever read or heard anything from the mainstream media that didn't parrot the press releases that were written by Demand Abolition including Sheriff Urqhuart's initial press conference. Here are some articles written by the alternative media that revealed the truth.
https://archive.ph/raKzb
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/09/26/25434273/city-attorneys-crackdown-on-johns-has-dire-consequences-for-immigrants-defense-attorneys-say
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2018/04/09/26019064/judge-no-conflict-of-interest-between-king-county-prosecutors-and-anti-prostitution-group
While the Seattle was being overrun by homeless and police not responding to property crime, the cops were busy spending money fucking providers to gather evidence and setting up fake massage parlors to nab immigrants on prostitution charges.
Yes! It's great to see a post from someone who knows the facts of the case. The Swanee Hunt angle was another totally insane aspect of this shitshow. She was paying to impose her brand of "justice" on men because her own father a wealthy Texas oil man was a frequent monger himself. In what world is THAT legal? She should have been thrown in jail herself, along with the King County prosecutors who took her money and promptly followed her orders.
The Associated Press wrote about it. I'm trying to find that article now because I know most guys here won't believe that actually happened. But it did.
I don't know if I ever read or heard anything from the mainstream media that didn't parrot the press releases that were written by Demand Abolition including Sheriff Urqhuart's initial press conference. Here are some articles written by the alternative media that revealed the truth.
https://archive.ph/raKzb
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/09/26/25434273/city-attorneys-crackdown-on-johns-has-dire-consequences-for-immigrants-defense-attorneys-say
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2018/04/09/26019064/judge-no-conflict-of-interest-between-king-county-prosecutors-and-anti-prostitution-group
While the Seattle was being overrun by homeless and police not responding to property crime, the cops were busy spending money fucking providers to gather evidence and setting up fake massage parlors to nab immigrants on prostitution charges.LOL, the 2nd URL, dire consequences for immigrants. $100 HJ, $140 BJ's, and $200 bangin'. Not sure of Seattle pricing, but sure seems like they saw these johns cumming a mile away. Those prices, I think only Vegas, because of either being drunk, or assumed having won free money. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
TapDisBong
12-28-24, 01:57
I tried it didn't work. Oh well. It's all on King County's court website. You just have to pay for it.
Anyway, LE had already compromised TRB's servers. The main cop, L. H*m* basically conjured up the idea of using Washington's promoting laws as a way to bust mongers. I don't know how Seattle became a target of crazy feminists, but it sure did work considering there's nobody paying for fucking in Seattle anymore.
Admin will correct me if I'm wrong, the posting guidelines state a several restrictions including.
Please DO NOT post arrest or incarceration reports about any private individual. (Reports and links to media stories about LE activities are acceptable).
Please REDACT names and address numbers from posted copies of media reports. (Please use "XXXXXXXXXX" to blank out names and address numbers).
I'd assume court records would fall under the spirit of arrest / incarceration reports. You could redact the names and it seems like that would follow the spirit of the restrictions. Maybe admin could clarify.
I tried it didn't work. Oh well. It's all on King County's court website. You just have to pay for it.
Anyway, LE had already compromised TRB's servers. The main cop, L. H*m* basically conjured up the idea of using Washington's promoting laws as a way to bust mongers. I don't know how Seattle became a target of crazy feminists, but it sure did work considering there's nobody paying for fucking in Seattle anymore.Oh, forgot to mention. The site has a size limit on attachments, so that is likely the issue with not being able to upload.
TapDisBong
12-28-24, 17:46
Oh, forgot to mention. The site has a size limit on attachments, so that is likely the issue with not being able to upload.I broke them up to get them under the file size limitation. If you want to read them, you can DM me and I'll send you a link.
FarFarAway
12-30-24, 01:47
There is no safe sex / STD thread for SoCal, so.
Lots of general talk on here advising guys to get the HPV vaccine (if eligible. Up to 45 YO). There was just an editorial in the LA Times about a dude whose wife had HPV on her tonsil. Sad, as most cancer stories are, but she is alive. However, most of the throat HPV one hears about are guys who got it by DATY (such as Michael Douglas). I guess that gal subject was a guzzler.
Taliesin92
12-30-24, 15:34
From what I can tell, let's look at some factors that allowed the government to pinch these guys: They didn't protect their PII at all. Suppose you're not using a "no-logs" VPN (preferably one you pay for that doesn't collect your info (mullvad comes to mind); you aren't safe. If you use the same username across all the sites for hookers, you aren't being safe. If you don't use a private email service like Protonmail, you aren't being safe. If you're doing public meetups in bars and loudly discussing your hooker hobbies, you aren't being safe. Banging hookers isn't a team sport, IMO, at least in the US.Yeah, that's mostly true. But one thing to keep in mind: All of these guys thought, at the very worst, they were committing minor misdemeanors. Something akin to a speeding ticket. Not major felonies with the potential for YEARS in prison. So, of course, at the time, many of them did not take the important steps they should have taken to protect themselves. (Which is how this whole discussion started a few weeks ago -- when I and others argued that you should protect yourself as much as possible.).
That said, the Seattle case IS the reason many mongers now use all of these internet security tools and don't attend dinners with large groups of other mongers anymore. Before that case, we all thought we were dealing with a relatively fair legal system that wouldn't over-charge people based on ideological beliefs (as well as a naked desire to further their political careers). But that's exactly what happened in Seattle. The authorities took everything to a whole new level, which is why we all need to be super vigilant and protect ourselves accordingly.
As I've always said: You are not being paranoid if they really are out to get you.
Taliesin92
12-30-24, 17:08
One other thing I forgot to note: Some of the guys who got busted in the Seattle case were very tech savvy. They used VPNs and other tools to protect their privacy. Guess what the prosecution said about that? They claimed using a VPN is proof that you are doing something illegal. So, as absurd as that statement is (given that nearly everyone in the corporate world uses VPNs to protect their company's internet traffic) the jury was told that using a VPN means you are a criminal.
On the flip side, a lot of the guys didn't use VPNs, so it was even easier to find them. But, either way, the prosecution turned that into a lose-lose situation for the men involved.
The only way to protect yourself from that kind of prosecutorial overreach is to lay low, use all security tools available to you, don't ever reveal your real name to anyone in the pay-for-play world (not the agencies, not the bookers, not the ladies, not your buddies, not anyone). Fly below the radar as much as possible and HOPE you never get caught up in a nightmare like the Seattle case, or the more recent cases in Boston and Virginia.
TapDisBong
12-30-24, 20:59
One other thing I forgot to note: Some of the guys who got busted in the Seattle case were very tech savvy. They used VPNs and other tools to protect their privacy. Guess what the prosecution said about that? They claimed using a VPN is proof that you are doing something illegal. So, as absurd as that statement is (given that nearly everyone in the corporate world uses VPNs to protect their company's internet traffic) the jury was told that using a VPN means you are a criminal.
On the flip side, a lot of the guys didn't use VPNs, so it was even easier to find them. But, either way, the prosecution turned that into a lose-lose situation for the men involved.
The only way to protect yourself from that kind of prosecutorial overreach is to lay low, use all security tools available to you, don't ever reveal your real name to anyone in the pay-for-play world (not the agencies, not the bookers, not the ladies, not your buddies, not anyone). Fly below the radar as much as possible and HOPE you never get caught up in a nightmare like the Seattle case, or the more recent cases in Boston and Virginia.If they were using VPN, did their emails have PII? Did the KC go to the VPN providers, get the logs, match the home IP addresses against the VPN then against the IP's on the email providers?
This is the thing that gets me. Let's say you never hobby in Washington state, but you got off on writing explicit reviews. How is that any different than Penthouse forum letters? Wouldn't that be a violation of the 1st Amendment. At that point you would hope the ACLU would step in and fight for you.
One other thing I forgot to note: Some of the guys who got busted in the Seattle case were very tech savvy. They used VPNs and other tools to protect their privacy. Guess what the prosecution said about that? They claimed using a VPN is proof that you are doing something illegal. So, as absurd as that statement is (given that nearly everyone in the corporate world uses VPNs to protect their company's internet traffic) the jury was told that using a VPN means you are a criminal.
On the flip side, a lot of the guys didn't use VPNs, so it was even easier to find them. But, either way, the prosecution turned that into a lose-lose situation for the men involved.
The only way to protect yourself from that kind of prosecutorial overreach is to lay low, use all security tools available to you, don't ever reveal your real name to anyone in the pay-for-play world (not the agencies, not the bookers, not the ladies, not your buddies, not anyone). Fly below the radar as much as possible and HOPE you never get caught up in a nightmare like the Seattle case, or the more recent cases in Boston and Virginia.Using VPN's or Tor clients, is not proof of anything. I've read some of the articles from the media. Definitely, a difference of opinions. I believe, only 1 fellow decided to not take the plea offer and went to trial.
Prosecution can use that thinking. Most of us, have good reasons not to challenge in court. Could be, simply and most likely, not having the funds to challenge it. The one guy that did take prosecution to task, but seems to have lost, must have had some of the funding, but not enough to carry it / thru the various appeals courts. I suspect, eventually a higher court would find issues, but that takes money and time.
I think, we all know, there is a level of risk in this activity. Mostly, the risk is low, unless one becomes one of the more prominent users. Prosecution only has so much time to pursue the case, not like they will pursue 1000's of people. They simply don't have the budget for such a pursuit.
One thing I did learn, VPN's do boast and are audited for No Logging. Casually, I looked into this, it seems they don't log the traffic that the user generates. So, basically no list of URL's that the user visited at any time. They run the servers in RAM, and probably reboot those servers on a semi-frequent basis to prevent any storage of data, and any that might be stored gets destroyed upon reboot.
They do conduct audits, from 3rd party auditors / accountant firms.
What Taliesin92 mentions, use the tools available at this time, avoid disclosing private information. It will be difficult to explain how a copy of your Drivers License should up in the agencies cache of information. It will be difficult to explain, why they have a copy of your paystub. Of course, you can change details on either document to obscure the disclosure. Use VPNs as practical, use burners as much as one can. Be certain, although very inconvenient, paying for those burners and their credits using cash. Today with all the surveillance in retail stores, it might be challenging to completely insulate oneself from 100% discovery, but one can make it challenging enough that LE just moves along to the next easier person to get to.
Even if you take all the precautions while visiting an AAMP, when you visit an AMP, you are very exposed. It's challenging to arrive by public transportation to any AMP, which means you probably arrived via your own personal vehicle.
Needless to say, arriving in your personal vehicle, it is trivial to very accurately or extremely narrow the field of possible suspects you might be. You could use a company vehicle, but that is just as bad, or probably worse than using a personal vehicle. With personal, all that can happen is a divorce, but you might retain your job. Company vehicle, unless you have one cool ass boss and a small company, you are likely fired very quickly for multiple reasons.
Although, I can only go by media reports, there seems to be very few recorded incidents where a customer is tracked down via license plate when visiting a AMP. Few cities have been as interested as Bellevue in going after the customers. That, seems to a fact, only by absence of news articles to the contrary.
Taliesin92
12-31-24, 15:52
If they were using VPN, did their emails have PII? Did the KC go to the VPN providers, get the logs, match the home IP addresses against the VPN then against the IP's on the email providers?
This is the thing that gets me. Let's say you never hobby in Washington state, but you got off on writing explicit reviews. How is that any different than Penthouse forum letters? Wouldn't that be a violation of the 1st Amendment. At that point you would hope the ACLU would step in and fight for you.Yup, non-encrypted emails do have information embedded in them that allows them to be traced, and that did happen. Google's Gmail is the worst. Google will give up everything to law enforcement at a moment's notice. ProtonMail is the way to go.
VPNs: The guys who were tech savvy, using VPNs and other security tools, were tracked down in other ways. VPNs did protect them for a while. But at least one guy made a mistake and logged into a hobby-related site using hotel Wi-Fi. Law enforcement was able to find him by contacting the hotel and asking who was in that hotel room at the time. Since he had to pay for the hotel room with a credit card, that's how they identified him. They might not have found him if it wasn't for that one mistake.
First Amendment: Yeah, that was my initial thought when this case first broke in January 2016. I thought it would all be thrown of court on First Amendment grounds, especially the felony charges for writing reviews ("promoting prostitution" But nope. That's not what happened. Defense attorneys weren't even allowed to bring up a First Amendment argument during Peters' initial trial. Astoundingly, the judge said it was irrelevant to the case. The defense did bring it up on appeal, and the argument was rejected. As I said before, this was very clearly a case where the outcome was decided long before it ever got to a courtroom. From day one, the decision was made to railroad these men, and that's exactly what happened.
The ACLU of 30 years ago might have come to their defense. But not today's ACLU. The ACLU of today is a joke. They don't believe in civil liberties anymore.
Ace McNasty
12-31-24, 16:25
Cautionary lore. Turns out these AMP and K-connoiseurs are so very, very ordinary after all. Book of Proverbs 16:18.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (https://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/)
Taliesin92
12-31-24, 16:26
Using VPN's or Tor clients, is not proof of anything.Of course you are right. But that didn't stop the prosecution from telling the jury only a criminal would use a VPN.
The defense objects.
The judge overrules.
And the case continues with that idea planted in the jury's head.
I've read some of the articles from the media. Definitely, a difference of opinions. I believe, only 1 fellow decided to not take the plea offer and went to trial.That's correct. Only Peters went to trial. But there's lots of interesting information to be learned from the other cases, as well. The guys who took plea deals still had to go to court, so their stories are also contained in the court documents. They were told, take a plea deal, admit your crime, and you will only be charged with one felony. Most of them avoided prison time that way. But they still had to plead guilty to a felony that will be on their record forever. For many of them, it ruined their careers. Having a felony on your record makes it very difficult to find employment anywhere else.
Most of us, have good reasons not to challenge in court. Could be, simply and most likely, not having the funds to challenge it. The one guy that did take prosecution to task, but seems to have lost, must have had some of the funding, but not enough to carry it thru the various appeals courts. I suspect, eventually a higher court would find issues, but that takes money and time.Nope. Peters did appeal. And he lost there, too. He was railroaded throughout the entire legal system.
What Taliesin92 mentions, use the tools available at this time, avoid disclosing private information. It will be difficult to explain how a copy of your Drivers License should up in the agencies cache of information. It will be difficult to explain, why they have a copy of your paystub. Of course, you can change details on either document to obscure the disclosure. Use VPNs as practical, use burners as much as one can. Be certain, although very inconvenient, paying for those burners and their credits using cash. Today with all the surveillance in retail stores, it might be challenging to completely insulate oneself from 100% discovery, but one can make it challenging enough that LE just moves along to the next easier person to get to.Exactly. That's all I've been saying since this conversation started. We can all take steps to protect ourselves. So why not do it? Sure, there is a good chance you will never get caught up in something as ridiculous and corrupt as the 2016 Seattle case. But what if it does happen to you? What if you are one of those unlucky souls? In that case, you will want to have taken every reasonable step to protect your identity and your privacy. The Seattle case shows how far some law enforcement agencies are willing to go to ruin our lives. Hopefully, nothing like that will ever happen again. But, as a former Boy Scout, I prefer to "be prepared. " Just in case.
Who knows. You might still get caught anyway. But why make it easy for them? Make them jump over a few hurdles before finding you.
James D 2004
12-31-24, 17:12
Before FOSTA, I didn't use VPNs for posting (but other purposes). If you posted on USG back then, you would be a needle in a haystack. Why would they single you out? The Seattle case is different. The whole thing is interconnected. If a person is convicted only because they wrote a review and nothing else, no IRL meeting, no phone communications, how many were convicted that way?
After FOSTA, the site owner is in trouble rather than just the posters. They are either squeaky clean or moved to where they don't have to respond to LE for anything, no logs.
For the history of CA, you only get busted if you go inside an MP and say the wrong things in a sting. If they only have your license plate they can't prove anything.
PM is from one person to another. As long as you don't say anything illegal you are fine. For HX you don't need to say anything as the menu is clear. You call another number anyway. They have to get your PM, and / or your phone messages, and then prove that you were there. It's easier just to set up a sting to get everything.
Now if you need to be interviewed face to face to join a league, you are indeed joining an illegal gang.
For the history of CA, you only get busted if you go inside an MP and say the wrong things in a sting. If they only have your license plate they can't prove anything.
Very true, only plates like using a VPN, in itself proves nothing. I was trying to make the point, if you want to remain totally anonymous, it is challenging.
Not talking about the plates, but all it takes is one minor mistake. Me for example, gotten lazy and use a credit card to pay for minutes on my burner. Did that once, a while back due to my minutes and T-Mobile gold running out that night, so had to bite the bullet and pay via a card of mine. Now, just lazy and pay with the card.
Taliesin92
12-31-24, 23:52
Cautionary lore. Turns out these AMP and K-connoiseurs are so very, very ordinary after all. Book of Proverbs 16:18.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (https://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/)I just have to laugh. Lots of misinformation in that story. The entire article was basically written by the prosecutors, with no fact checking whatsoever. For instance, it repeats the same big lie that these poor Korean women were "forced to work as prostitutes. " They were not. Nothing could be further from the truth. Those jobs were in high demand.
The police tried very hard to get the women to participate in the big lie. They promised them all kinds of special treatment, including permanent visas to stay in America, if they would testify that they were coerced into the business, forced to have sex, and not allowed to leave the apartments. (All bullshit.) It's in the interrogation transcripts. You can see how desperate the cops were to get these ladies to lie.
To their credit, none of the women were willing to lie. Through translators, they told the truth, that they were willing participants, and that no one ever forced them to do anything. Afterward, many of them simply moved on and continued working in other cities.
Yet none of that is reported in the Seattle Times. Fake news.
Taliesin92
01-01-25, 00:24
Before FOSTA, I didn't use VPNs for posting (but other purposes). If you posted on USG back then, you would be a needle in a haystack. Why would they single you out? The Seattle case is different. The whole thing is interconnected. If a person is convicted only because they wrote a review and nothing else, no IRL meeting, no phone communications, how many were convicted that way?
After FOSTA, the site owner is in trouble rather than just the posters. They are either squeaky clean or moved to where they don't have to respond to LE for anything, no logs.
For the history of CA, you only get busted if you go inside an MP and say the wrong things in a sting. If they only have your license plate they can't prove anything.
PM is from one person to another. As long as you don't say anything illegal you are fine. For HX you don't need to say anything as the menu is clear. You call another number anyway. They have to get your PM, and / or your phone messages, and then prove that you were there. It's easier just to set up a sting to get everything.
Now if you need to be interviewed face to face to join a league, you are indeed joining an illegal gang.Then why weren't they charged with any of that? Why was no one convicted of any of that? The feds were involved in the case. The FBI logo was featured in the initial press conference in January 2016. (That was before SESTA / FOSTA, by the way.) If this was indeed an organized crime ring, there are laws against such things. The authorities could have brought a RICO case. They could have charged the men with human trafficking. Based on the prosecutors' lies, they could have charged some of the men with kidnapping. But no one was ever charged with any of those things. You have to ask yourself why? Why were all of these horrible-sounding allegations made, and then the most serious felony charges were leveled for nothing but writing sexy reviews?
There is no way to defend what happened to these men. It was classic prosecutorial overreach, on steroids. I think even the people of Seattle and Bellevue eventually came to realize that. The King County sheriff was defeated in the very next election. And the main prosecutor, Val Richey, was pushed out of his job and left the country. Poetic justice, I suppose.
James D 2004
01-01-25, 01:08
Then why weren't they charged with any of that? Why was no one convicted of any of that? The feds were involved in the case. The FBI logo was featured in the initial press conference in January 2016. (That was before SESTA / FOSTA, by the way.) If this was indeed an organized crime ring, there are laws against such things. The authorities could have brought a RICO case. They could have charged the men with human trafficking. Based on the prosecutors' lies, they could have charged some of the men with kidnapping. But no one was ever charged with any of those things. You have to ask yourself why? Why were all of these horrible-sounding allegations made, and then the most serious felony charges were leveled for nothing but writing sexy reviews?
There is no way to defend what happened to these men. It was classic prosecutorial overreach, on steroids. I think even the people of Seattle and Bellevue eventually came to realize that. The King County sheriff was defeated in the very next election. And the main prosecutor, Val Richey, was pushed out of his job and left the country. Poetic justice, I suppose.What the guys were charged has little to do with why they were targeting. At least some of the guys were indefensible. An interview before allowed to join the club? I rest my case.
FarFarAway
01-01-25, 10:40
My reaction to this discussion, that has occurred in this thread and then in other threads in other locales just now, is that one doesn't want to draw too great a conclusion from this one case, in terms of our behavior. Yes, guys were convicted of using USASG once. The prosecutors elected to charge them for that because, of all the things they had on them, they thought that would be the most successful course of action. Maybe even they were hoping to establish a useful precedent for future prosecutions. However, it does not appear that has occurred. It hasn't turned in to a big deal one needs to worry about anywhere guys are mongering.
The Brit term is 'too clever by half'. Don't over-emphasize the importance of this 8 years old case. This happening, yeah, it was bad. It gives all of us chills, just like the Ashley Madison hack. A good reminder to try to keep good OpSec at all times. It is way better never to have to face such daunting prospects than to try to figure out how to extricate oneself. The reasons dudes here will sometimes say their 'spidey sense' went off and they extricated themselves from some potentially touchy situation.
New Year's Resolutions?
My reaction to this discussion, that has occurred in this thread and then in other threads in other locales just now, is that one doesn't want to draw too great a conclusion from this one case, in terms of our behavior. The Brit term is 'too clever by half'. Don't over-emphasize the importance of this 8 years old case. A good reminder to try to keep good OpSec at all times. It is way better never to have to face such daunting prospects than to try to figure out how to extricate oneself. The reasons dudes here will sometimes say their 'spidey sense' went off and they extricated themselves from some potentially touchy situation.
New Year's Resolutions?Fully agreed, and my suggested New Year's Resolution for posters is to drop this thread now. It's played out.
One other thing I forgot to note: Some of the guys who got busted in the Seattle case were very tech savvy. They used VPNs and other tools to protect their privacy. Guess what the prosecution said about that? They claimed using a VPN is proof that you are doing something illegal. So, as absurd as that statement is (given that nearly everyone in the corporate world uses VPNs to protect their company's internet traffic) the jury was told that using a VPN means you are a criminal.
On the flip side, a lot of the guys didn't use VPNs, so it was even easier to find them. But, either way, the prosecution turned that into a lose-lose situation for the men involved.
The only way to protect yourself from that kind of prosecutorial overreach is to lay low, use all security tools available to you, don't ever reveal your real name to anyone in the pay-for-play world (not the agencies, not the bookers, not the ladies, not your buddies, not anyone). Fly below the radar as much as possible and HOPE you never get caught up in a nightmare like the Seattle case, or the more recent cases in Boston and Virginia.Bolded emphasis is mine. When this happened almost 10 years ago, I'm sure that argument worked well for the prosecution because it actually had the ring of truth. VPNs have become much more mainstream these days, and folks are encouraged to use them for all sorts of reasons: banking, netflix regions, porn sites, etc. I don't think they could get 12 jurors to buy that shit now. But I completely agree with your premise. Once they get after you, they can make it work. If one doesn't have the resources to really fight back, then there's a good chance they will take a plea deal. As far as grand juries go, the system can get a ham sandwich indicted.
Most aren't Robert Kraft, and don't have the resources to go full on nuclear and start investigating the investigators to fight back.
Taliesin92
01-01-25, 18:22
Fully agreed, and my suggested New Year's Resolution for posters is to drop this thread now. It's played out.It is getting tiresome and I need to get back to banging k-girls.
How do you guys get your hookups. Like 1 on 1 ones. For me fastest one was when I met a drunk girl in club, next second we were banging in parking lot. But Facebook dating is also very lucrative in this sense. I know hinge is not bad. Share your thoughts.
Dildo Baggens
05-30-25, 11:31
just wondering why this site was having access issues for the past few days? Perhaps Admin has shared this information somewhere on the pages, however I cannot seem to find it.
I'm grateful that, at least for now, it's up and running.
DB.
I think they update the platform against BOTs or machines. I think their servers were under DOS attack. They have introduced now this CAPTCHA requirement. CAPTCHA flags IP addresses associated with questionable activities, and I would guess that whoever was conducting the DOS attack was likely using a VPN. I will check later if you can still join the site using VPN.
just wondering why this site was having access issues for the past few days? Perhaps Admin has shared this information somewhere on the pages, however I cannot seem to find it.
I'm grateful that, at least for now, it's up and running.
DB.
Dildo Baggens
05-30-25, 12:32
Thank you for the possible / probable explanation. I too that it was some sort of attack on the site.
I think they update the platform against BOTs or machines. I think their servers were under DOS attack. They have introduced now this CAPTCHA requirement. CAPTCHA flags IP addresses associated with questionable activities, and I would guess that whoever was conducting the DOS attack was likely using a VPN. I will check later if you can still join the site using VPN.
LittleFingers1
06-02-25, 16:03
I am sure I am not the only one that had issue with recent delays and trouble with the site, hopefully everyone else have an easier access to the site than I am especially when it comes to posting messages.
I experienced a minor inconvenience earlier today.
I kept receiving timeout messages due to incorrect password attempts whenever I tried to log in yesterday and today, even though I was using the correct password. The system was showing an error message. After waiting 15 minutes, I was able to log back in. I then decided it was time to update my account email since the original one I used had expired. I changed it to a Gmail account, but I wasn't receiving the verification code. I was stressing because, when I tried to write a report like this one, I would get a message indicating that I needed to be verified. I emailed the admin but received no response.
So, I decided to go back and change my email again, this time to a Yahoo email, and I was able to get my verification code without any issues.
Anyway, I just wanted to give a heads-up to anyone who might be experiencing the same problem. I didn't want to lose my senior account and have to create a new one.
Glad to be back!
It seem like everyone had issues with the site a few days back and last month as well, but now the new security system locks my phone to the livechat ad when I refresh my page, any tips to get pass that? I can only access the site with PC now.
JerrySmi123
06-05-25, 04:16
How do you guys get your hookups. Like 1 on 1 ones. For me fastest one was when I met a drunk girl in club, next second we were banging in parking lot. But Facebook dating is also very lucrative in this sense. I know hinge is not bad. Share your thoughts.I don't know man, it depends on how you look really, I had like 0 luck getting anywhere with these women, which is why I am venturing into the habit of AMP at least getting my dick wet for about the same money to get a stuck up B* and not even getting anywhere.
How do you guys get your hookups. Like 1 on 1 ones. For me fastest one was when I met a drunk girl in club, next second we were banging in parking lot. But Facebook dating is also very lucrative in this sense. I know hinge is not bad. Share your thoughts.I get better luck at the bar and sometimes fb, dating apps are just shit now a days, standards are way too high and you are competing with like 10-20 guys on average, and not being the best looking hurts your chances.
St Stephen
06-16-25, 16:47
Retired monger misses your photos.
Retired monger misses your photos.Didn't he have like five handles.
Dildo Baggens
06-17-25, 14:38
Maybe he ran out of money.
Didn't he have like five handles.
Why is bb so common with k org providers? I've seen a fair share of Latina's, Americans, Brazilians and East Europeans and they will cover for FS. Is it the asian culture or lack of education that make it ok for bb? Or they just want the upsell money? I love asian girls and I read k org has some beautiful ones. But knowing that they do bb deters me from going.
FarFarAway
09-23-25, 13:42
Why is bb so common with k org providers? I've seen a fair share of Latina's, Americans, Brazilians and East Europeans and they will cover for FS. Is it the asian culture or lack of education that make it ok for bb? Or they just want the upsell money? I love asian girls and I read k org has some beautiful ones. But knowing that they do bb deters me from going.You can find some who are just GFE, DownloadX posts about that.
James D 2004
09-23-25, 14:16
Why is bb so common with k org providers? I've seen a fair share of Latina's, Americans, Brazilians and East Europeans and they will cover for FS. Is it the asian culture or lack of education that make it ok for bb? Or they just want the upsell money? I love asian girls and I read k org has some beautiful ones. But knowing that they do bb deters me from going.It's just economics. The BB girls won't get much business if they don't offer BB.
Zerosumgain2
09-23-25, 14:47
Why is bb so common with k org providers? I've seen a fair share of Latina's, Americans, Brazilians and East Europeans and they will cover for FS. Is it the asian culture or lack of education that make it ok for bb? Or they just want the upsell money? I love asian girls and I read k org has some beautiful ones. But knowing that they do bb deters me from going.Bigger risk bigger reward? Japan's redlight district was rumor to have some stuff going on sorta like play the lottory style a bit touch and go there. Most of the K org ones they need their customers to be vetted before going in to prevent spreading the stuff.
Didn't he have like five handles.Word on the street (HX), is that they got a hold of him. But he'll probably pop back up. He just can't help himself.
SoloAdventure
09-24-25, 12:26
It's just economics. The BB girls won't get much business if they don't offer BB.Jeep is also looping all Asians as one group. Korg are different from Corg. Korg need to justify their higher prices. Getting BBFS at a Corg is generally only available with lower tier spots.
Dildo Baggens
09-24-25, 13:00
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SoloAdventure
09-25-25, 14:17
Hey Dildo. LOL.
Sorry about the question. I got you in trouble.
Dildo Baggens
09-26-25, 10:05
My apologies A2. Completely understood.
DB.
Member #7071
10-06-25, 14:19
Today is holiday in China make sure to tell your AMP girls today "Happy Moon Festival" or Happy Mid-Autumn Festival" that little extra effort can break the ice and get the mood going in the right direction quick.
Met a young tight body latina for a qv at a hotel near JWA. She opened the door and I was surprised she was the hot girl in the photo. I thought I was going to have some fun with her. We proceeded, I told her to get in front of the mirror for a BJ. She reluctantly agreed. She gave a pretty good one but aggressively jerking me at same time. She also refused to look at the mirror when she was doing it. I told her to get on the bed to fuck but she held on to my cock and kept jerking it. Now I know she just want me to get off fast and be done. We started with mish. As soon as I entered she started saying "oh baby it feels good, cum, cum, cum! That shit doesn't work on me. In fact it was a turn off. A few minutes later I told her to turn over for doggy. Same thing happened she kept saying "baby cum cum cum! At that point I was over her. I lay down and told her to get on cowgirl. She thought it was her chance to get me off so she rode me hard and deep, screaming "baby cum cum cum!" . Moment later she became quiet, body got tighter then breathing faster, rode me even harder. Suddenly she made a big exhale, her body gone soft and she stopped riding me completely. She got off on me while she was trying hard to make me cum. I couldn't help but laugh at that point. Then she straight up told me that I need to finish in 3 minutes because its a qv. I told I will doggy her the rest of the way. It's disappointing because a girl that looks so hot I still have imagine her as someone else to get off.
Met a young tight body latina for a qv at a hotel near JWA. She opened the door and I was surprised she was the hot girl in the photo. I thought I was going to have some fun with her. We proceeded, I told her to get in front of the mirror for a BJ. She reluctantly agreed. She gave a pretty good one but aggressively jerking me at same time. She also refused to look at the mirror when she was doing it. I told her to get on the bed to fuck but she held on to my cock and kept jerking it. Now I know she just want me to get off fast and be done. We started with mish. As soon as I entered she started saying "oh baby it feels good, cum, cum, cum! That shit doesn't work on me. In fact it was a turn off. A few minutes later I told her to turn over for doggy. Same thing happened she kept saying "baby cum cum cum! At that point I was over her. I lay down and told her to get on cowgirl. She thought it was her chance to get me off so she rode me hard and deep, screaming "baby cum cum cum!" . Moment later she became quiet, body got tighter then breathing faster, rode me even harder. Suddenly she made a big exhale, her body gone soft and she stopped riding me completely. She got off on me while she was trying hard to make me cum. I couldn't help but laugh at that point. Then she straight up told me that I need to finish in 3 minutes because its a qv. I told I will doggy her the rest of the way. It's disappointing because a girl that looks so hot I still have imagine her as someone else to get off.Link to AD?
Met a young tight body latina for a qv at a hotel near JWA. She opened the door and I was surprised she was the hot girl in the photo. I thought I was going to have some fun with her. We proceeded, I told her to get in front of the mirror for a BJ. She reluctantly agreed. She gave a pretty good one but aggressively jerking me at same time. She also refused to look at the mirror when she was doing it. I told her to get on the bed to fuck but she held on to my cock and kept jerking it. Now I know she just want me to get off fast and be done. We started with mish. As soon as I entered she started saying "oh baby it feels good, cum, cum, cum! That shit doesn't work on me. In fact it was a turn off. A few minutes later I told her to turn over for doggy. Same thing happened she kept saying "baby cum cum cum! At that point I was over her. I lay down and told her to get on cowgirl. She thought it was her chance to get me off so she rode me hard and deep, screaming "baby cum cum cum!" . Moment later she became quiet, body got tighter then breathing faster, rode me even harder. Suddenly she made a big exhale, her body gone soft and she stopped riding me completely. She got off on me while she was trying hard to make me cum. I couldn't help but laugh at that point. Then she straight up told me that I need to finish in 3 minutes because its a qv. I told I will doggy her the rest of the way. It's disappointing because a girl that looks so hot I still have imagine her as someone else to get off.I'd like to see a link to her info also. I get to that area frequently. TY in advance.
Domenic Koch
10-18-25, 13:48
Today is holiday in China make sure to tell your AMP girls today "Happy Moon Festival" or Happy Mid-Autumn Festival" that little extra effort can break the ice and get the mood going in the right direction quick.Yep, small gestures like that really do make a difference.
WhoreMaster 91
10-19-25, 10:57
Yep, small gestures like that really do make a difference.Has anyone tried saying ' Comrade ' or they tell you comrade? Saw a Gong Li film and though it sounded Hot.
Leo Jauncey
10-23-25, 15:40
Visited an AAMP in the Irvine area last weekend. Setup required a quick text verification. Incall was a nice, clean apartment complex.
Drew Mijoo. She's a Korean girl, probably mid-20's, spinner body and very pretty. Real GFE experience with lots of DFK and BBBJ. Moved to multiple positions.
DarkRoomDaddy
11-08-25, 19:52
Has anyone tried saying ' Comrade ' or they tell you comrade? Saw a Gong Li film and though it sounded Hot.Gong Li is pushing 60. I have not heard any Chinese using that term in English. In fact, some older Chinese have pretty negative connotations with the cultural revolution and the extreme forms of communism. These days, its about portraying China as modern and cool. Since their international reputation has been dropping.
Widespread
12-04-25, 13:06
Where do you all go for waxing or sugaring including but and balls. Some places won't do men in the private areas. I don't need any extras at waxing just hair removal.
Onelakerfan
12-13-25, 07:19
Question 1: If a provider advertises almost daily in a couple of sites for several months, but either does not have any reviews or very little is said about her. Would you consider that a red flag and to be careful?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Question 1: If a provider advertises almost daily in a couple of sites for several months, but either does not have any reviews or very little is said about her. Would you consider that a red flag and to be careful?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.
Thanks in advance for any replies.I was wondering about #1 too, I'm always worried about potential LE stings on sites, I've seen some girls that I want to reach out to, but there are no reviews after months of being on listcrawler in the same area.
Dildo Baggens
12-13-25, 11:03
This happened to me 8 years ago. I do not recommend having a provider come to your residence unless you've worked with a legitimate agency of some kind, that you've had a good track record with, say hotel visits with no incidents.
Btw This person did advertise on a daily basis on the now defunct Backpage.
DB.
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Question 1: If a provider advertises almost daily in a couple of sites for several months, but either does not have any reviews or very little is said about her. Would you consider that a red flag and to be careful?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
This isn't really a report, more of a question.
Back in the dark ages, before I foolishly got married, I used to play at several spas where the big thing was having the women dressed like doctors in lab coats, sometimes showing cleavage (usually not much underneath).
That trend seems to have died out. Maybe just too much extra laundry, maybe some other reason?
Anyone else have their 'therapists' still dress medically, sometimes erotically medically?
Question 1: If a provider advertises almost daily in a couple of sites for several months, but either does not have any reviews or very little is said about her. Would you consider that a red flag and to be careful?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.
Thanks in advance for any replies.Never have a thot come to you personal residence regardless!
You asking for Trouble!
Dildo Baggens
12-14-25, 13:14
Last year while traveling through Livermore Ca. The Asian technician was very cute with full length white lab coat. When she came into the cubicle, she had unbuttoned the full length of the coat and there she stood revealing the nice little spinner body inside. Like when you unwrap your favorite candy bar, and you stare at it for a few moments.
DB.
This isn't really a report, more of a question.
Back in the dark ages, before I foolishly got married, I used to play at several spas where the big thing was having the women dressed like doctors in lab coats, sometimes showing cleavage (usually not much underneath).
That trend seems to have died out. Maybe just too much extra laundry, maybe some other reason?
Anyone else have their 'therapists' still dress medically, sometimes erotically medically?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.Other than convenience, why would ANYONE have a gal come to your primary residence?
Not everyone has a family & neighbors, sure, others might be more apartment dwellers, but I can't fathom if you have enough disposable income to do this, why you would want someone knowing where you live. Apartment or not.
Onelakerfan
12-14-25, 19:23
Question 1: If a provider advertises almost daily in a couple of sites for several months, but either does not have any reviews or very little is said about her. Would you consider that a red flag and to be careful?
Question 2: Has anyone done outcall from a provider to their primary residence? I'm just wondering about this.
Thanks in advance for any replies.The reasons I asked these questions are I have been eyeing one provider but does only outcall or car dates. I don't like the idea of car dates. So I thought I'd ask about the incall. I'll heed all your warnings. It's probably best to get a room somewhere. Sorry Dildo baggens that this happened to you. I do not want any headaches.
Dildo Baggens
12-15-25, 10:12
I'm assuming you have not done either with the "eyed" provider as mentioned. If you want my 2 cents, do incall with this woman. Like the others have conveyed, having her show up to your residence brings in a slew of potential consequences, from petty theft to home invasion robbery or worse.
BTW if you've never done incall, that too has its potential deficits as well. Best to get independent referrals or reference from guys on this site who have a trusted track record. Last but not least, don't bring a lot of cash. Just enough to pay for the agreed upon service.
DB.
The reasons I asked these questions are I have been eyeing one provider but does only outcall or car dates. I don't like the idea of car dates. So I thought I'd ask about the incall. I'll heed all your warnings. It's probably best to get a room somewhere. Sorry Dildo baggens that this happened to you. I do not want any headaches.
Onelakerfan
12-18-25, 01:52
I'm assuming you have not done either with the "eyed" provider as mentioned. If you want my 2 cents, do incall with this woman. Like the others have conveyed, having her show up to your residence brings in a slew of potential consequences, from petty theft to home invasion robbery or worse.
BTW if you've never done incall, that too has its potential deficits as well. Best to get independent referrals or reference from guys on this site who have a trusted track record. Last but not least, don't bring a lot of cash. Just enough to pay for the agreed upon service.
DB.Thanks for your input, DB.
Dildo Baggens
12-25-25, 11:52
This article perfectly summarizes the "Whys and How's" MPs get busted. Stings are pretty rare in MPs, however MP busts are a culmination of factors. This article is from the San Jose area.
DB.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-jose-family-network-brothels/3995923/
This article perfectly summarizes the "Whys and How's" MPs get busted. Stings are pretty rare in MPs, however MP busts are a culmination of factors. This article is from the San Jose area.
DB.
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