Stupid Shit in NoVa

[JohnnySalami]

Well that guy got incinerated.


On an anonymous f*ckboard, anyone can claim anything they want and there's no way to prove or disprove it. What's easily verified, however, is the level of contribution and expertise as demonstrated by the content of one's forum posts.

What's nice about having some know-it-all newbie show up, with about a dozen posts, is that the cred vs BS test is easy to do. And that simple test reveals that you have zero substantive reviews or field reports to your credit. In fact, almost every post of yours is little more than a line or two reacting to someone else's contribution or question. And, when it comes to Northern Virginia, all you seem to be able to muster is bitching and moaning.

Obviously you're a mongering legend in your own mind but you've demonstrated you have nothing of substance to contribute to this forum. It's also obvious that you don't have a clue as to this market because the AMP and FBSM price level hasn't increased, but rather has remained remarkably stable for many years.

Sorry if NOVA is too rich for you, I'm sure Martinsburg foot rub places are more your style. But aren't most of those closed on Christmas Day? Is that why you had time on your hands and felt compelled to post on a f*ckboard on Christmas? Wow! How sad is that?

P.S. The analogy wasn't that women = cars. It was that MSRP = "going rate" and that the ability to negotiate a lower price doesn't mean that others have overpaid. Did you flunk Logic 101? Or did you even bother taking such a course?

[Sweetmeat1200]

Well that guy got incinerated.Just remember this you one way thinking mongers who try to think any other way then the truth. Go ahead you are already convinced. Since you are so convinced I'm a newbie. This site was called WorldSexGuide when I first saw it over 10 years ago. Now Run tell that!

[JmSuttr]

Just remember this you one way thinking mongers who try to think any other way then the truth. Go ahead you are already convinced. Since you are so convinced I'm a newbie. This site was called WorldSexGuide when I first saw it over 10 years ago. Now Run tell that!If you saw it over 10 years ago, but have barely over a dozen posts, then what does that say about you?

Still waiting for a single substantive post documenting your alleged mongering expertise. So far, nuthin' but crickets.

[WillOckham]

I worry that the community including me is ignoring the virus problem. Maybe I should stoop completely, though I have reduced my escort contacts and see no new women. I see only agency escorts, not independents.

When I visited Naomi at Club-Paradise, I showed her my corona virus tests. She replied that she was just tested and I believed her. This made me feel much better.

Question: Would you be more likely to patronize an agency that said its girls were "virus tested"?

Incidentally, I gave Naomi of Club-Paradise an 8/9, and I believe her when she says she was tested. She will be here until Monday. She's worth a visit.

[FloorHump422]

I worry that the community including me is ignoring the virus problem. Maybe I should stoop completely, though I have reduced my escort contacts and see no new women. I see only agency escorts, not independents.

When I visited Naomi at Club-Paradise, I showed her my corona virus tests. She replied that she was just tested and I believed her. This made me feel much better.

Question: Would you be more likely to patronize an agency that said its girls were "virus tested"?

Incidentally, I gave Naomi of Club-Paradise an 8/9, and I believe her when she says she was tested. She will be here until Monday. She's worth a visit.I feel like a lot of people have an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, meaning that if they don't present symptoms, they won't get tested. I'd definitely be in favor of agencies requiring both mongers and providers to have a recent negative test before proceeding with any festivities. While I certainly appreciate the temperature check at the door, I don't know if it does much to actually reduce the likelihood of infection.

[RadGasm]

I feel like a lot of people have an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, meaning that if they don't present symptoms, they won't get tested. I'd definitely be in favor of agencies requiring both mongers and providers to have a recent negative test before proceeding with any festivities. While I certainly appreciate the temperature check at the door, I don't know if it does much to actually reduce the likelihood of infection.I would be ok with temperature testing. It's better than nothing. Requiring a covid test would require you and your companion to reveal your identity as it would be easy to get a fake name test printed out. I think most companions haven't been socially isolated since the pandemic began and would have already been infected by now. They are young and many were probably asymptomatic and have some level of immunity by now. Early on it was more of a risk but these days I believe the girls are probably statistically safer.

[Deranged]

I feel like a lot of people have an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, meaning that if they don't present symptoms, they won't get tested. I'd definitely be in favor of agencies requiring both mongers and providers to have a recent negative test before proceeding with any festivities. While I certainly appreciate the temperature check at the door, I don't know if it does much to actually reduce the likelihood of infection.Most spread is probably asymptomatic spread so you won't even know when someone is sick. And you better hope you aren't among the 10-30% of COVID survivors (who are both old and young, previously healthy or not) who end up with debilitating long-term effects like brain fog, crippling constant fatigue, and exercise intolerance. Some people are going on disability because "long COVID" has completely incapacitated them. Ending up with "long COVID" is akin to catching HIV in that it is life altering, but there is no known treatment for long COVID, and nobody knows the prognosis. The pandemic has made this a very risky game. Be safe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/long-covid-nightmare.html

[DickLongwood]

I worry that the community including me is ignoring the virus problem. Maybe I should stoop completely, though I have reduced my escort contacts and see no new women. I see only agency escorts, not independents.

When I visited Naomi at Club-Paradise, I showed her my corona virus tests. She replied that she was just tested and I believed her. This made me feel much better.

Question: Would you be more likely to patronize an agency that said its girls were "virus tested"?

Incidentally, I gave Naomi of Club-Paradise an 8/9, and I believe her when she says she was tested. She will be here until Monday. She's worth a visit.I have a friend who sees sugar babies only. At this stage of the pandemic, he is limiting himself to women who have already had and recovered from the virus--not those who are tying (or not trying) to avoid it.

[Admin2]

I worry that the community including me is ignoring the virus problem. Maybe I should stoop completely, though I have reduced my escort contacts and see no new women. I see only agency escorts, not independents.

When I visited Naomi at Club-Paradise, I showed her my corona virus tests. She replied that she was just tested and I believed her. This made me feel much better.

Question: Would you be more likely to patronize an agency that said its girls were "virus tested"?

Incidentally, I gave Naomi of Club-Paradise an 8/9, and I believe her when she says she was tested. She will be here until Monday. She's worth a visit.It's pretty fucking simple.

According to the CDC 93% of the people who have died are over the age of 55, of them 94% have had an average of 2. 9 of the life threatening comorbidities associate with covid.


For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death.https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

So, if you're not over 55 and don't have an average of 2. 9 of these, nor live with somebody who does:

Cancer.

Chronic kidney disease.

COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Down Syndrome.

Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies.

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant.

Obesity (body mass index BMI of 30 kg / m2 or higher but < 40 kg / m2).

Severe Obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg / m2).

Pregnancy.

Sickle cell disease.

Smoking.

Type 2 diabetes mellitus.

Asthma (moderate-to-severe).

Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain).

Cystic fibrosis.

Hypertension or high blood pressure.

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines.

Neurologic conditions, such as dementia.

Liver disease.

Overweight (BMI 25 kg / m2, but < 30 kg / m2).

Pulmonary fibrosis (having damaged or scarred lung tissues).

Thalassemia (a type of blood disorder).

Type 1 diabetes mellitus.

And you feel like fucking somebody then go fuck them. If you get covid, that will suck but you will have a 99.74% chance of recovering. Stop treating it like it's ebola, the third world is starving behind this hysteria.

In any event, keep this shit off the review threads.

A2.

[FloorHump422]

It's pretty fucking simple.If the CDC's mortality data is good enough for you to quote, then their assessment of the severity of the virus for everyone (not just those 55+ and those with comorbidities) should also be good enough for you.

[DirtyVerde]

If the CDC's mortality data is good enough for you to quote, then their assessment of the severity of the virus for everyone (not just those 55+ and those with comorbidities) should also be good enough for you.The point is, we aren't all going to die. If you want to go have some sexy time. Go get some sexy time. "Trusting" anyone who claims to test negative is about as safe as licking a big box store shopping cart handle. Any one of the multiple pee pees in a day could be 'rona positive so a negative test in the morning could have contact with a positive pee pee later in the day. Play it "safe" or keep your pee pee to yourself. It's that simple. When I have an itch, I'm willing to take the risk. As Lord Farquaad said, "that's a risk I'm willing to take. ".

[Sweetmeat1200]

If you saw it over 10 years ago, but have barely over a dozen posts, then what does that say about you?

Still waiting for a single substantive post documenting your alleged mongering expertise. So far, nuthin' but crickets.Yeah keep waiting, enjoy them crickets. My activity or a "substansive post" is not to be monitored. And I never called myself an expert. So just keep overpaying like the rest of the Nova mongers which you seem to be so arrogant about your donation habits. So from now on you get no breath. Kick rocks with flip flops.

[Admin2]

If the CDC's mortality data is good enough for you to quote, then their assessment of the severity of the virus for everyone (not just those 55+ and those with comorbidities) should also be good enough for you.I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.

I'll say it again for the idiots, 93% of the people who died were over 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses or conditions before getting the virus. Those are the actual facts, they don't care what you think about them.

Here's another actual fact, over 10,000,000 ADDTIONAL people are going to starve to death this year as a direct result of the slowdown in the worlds economy because idiots like you refused to accept what those mortality stats say and demanded that countries close their borders and put the brakes on their economies. When you close a pizza joint in Cleveland they don't buy pizza sauce, when they don't buy pizza sauce the company who makes the lids for plastic containers the pizza sauce comes in close, then their employees lose their jobs, they are generally in countries that don't have a social welfare program so they are fucked, their kids are fucked and lots of them die.

This isn't 10,000,000 people, this is an ADDTIONAL 10,000,000 people, before corona we couldn't keep the first 10,000,000 from dying so don't give me the pollyanna response that "well aid organizations need to blah blah fucking blah" they are going to die so that you and millions like you can virtue signal and finger wag. "Just stay home" has been the biggest exercise of privilege in my lifetime.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic

You assholes act like the mitigation is free, I live in the third world, I'm seeing the people who are paying the cost for your bullshit on a regular basis. Please stop talking, every time you open your mouth a kid starves.

FYI that additional 10,000,000 was projected in May of last year. Since you are ignoring it and they are locking down again, even worse, it will probably be 20,000,000 extra.

[FloorHump422]

I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?

[Bunker Buster]

I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.

I'll say it again for the idiots, 93% of the people who died were over 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses or conditions before getting the virus. Those are the actual facts, they don't care what you think about them.

Here's another actual fact, over 10,000,000 ADDTIONAL people are going to starve to death this year as a direct result of the slowdown in the worlds economy because idiots like you refused to accept what those mortality stats say and demanded that countries close their borders and put the brakes on their economies. When you close a pizza joint in Cleveland they don't buy pizza sauce, when they don't buy pizza sauce the company who makes the lids for plastic containers the pizza sauce comes in close, then their employees lose their jobs, they are generally in countries that don't have a social welfare program so they are fucked, their kids are fucked and lots of them die.

This isn't 10,000,000 people, this is an ADDTIONAL 10,000,000 people, before corona we couldn't keep the first 10,000,000 from dying so don't give me the pollyanna response that "well aid organizations need to blah blah fucking blah" they are going to die so that you and millions like you can virtue signal and finger wag. "Just stay home" has been the biggest exercise of privilege in my lifetime.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic

You assholes act like the mitigation is free, I live in the third world, I'm seeing the people who are paying the cost for your bullshit on a regular basis. Please stop talking, every time you open your mouth a kid starves.

FYI that additional 10,000,000 was projected in May of last year. Since you are ignoring it and they are locking down again, even worse, it will probably be 20,000,000 extra.This is a great assessment of the problem that the "stay home, stay safe" crowd doesn't want to face.

I could just imagine reposting this on Facebook, then when someone asks for the source, I could say "it's the moderator on my favorite prostitution discussion board. " LOL.

[Deranged]

My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?The long-term effects of COVID are going to be one of the greatest public health challenges the world has ever faced. Many current sufferers are becoming suicidal because they believe they are barely living and have been condemned to a fate worse than death. These people cannot walk a block or do a day of office work without then needing days of bedrest. And when the current numbers are pegging it at a 10-30% likelihood of getting debilitating long-term effects regardless of your age and comorbidities, it is quite scary to think about how sick the world will be in a few years.

There is currently no known cause or treatment. Countries around the world, including the USA, are opening up long-term COVID clinics to try and provide relief to these people. Some studies are suggesting that COVID leaves many with a lasting auto-immune disease. It does not care whether you're old or young, healthy or not. For many, they recover from the illness, and then the debilitating long-term effects strike months later. It is the luck of the draw.

This is not new. SARS left many of its victims with similar long-term effects. Many of them have yet to recover a decade and a half later.

[Admin2]

My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?It's been the same with you idiots since the beginning of this "if the government would just pay people to stay home" there is no fucking need to stay home, I'm going to say it again, 93% of the people who died were over 55,94% of them had 3 life threatening illnesses or conditions. The economy is the health of the people, the "economy" is how all goods and serves get distributed to and by the people, "the economy" is what makes countries bountiful or poor. The people that are starving are in the poor countries because hysterics like you are making politicians shut down there rich counties.

There has not been any international coalition of medical experts who have ever said that covid is a danger to all age groups, you are making that up. If any group has then they are IGNORING the empirical evidence as you are. You do not need to lock a country down for a flu that has a 99.74% overall recovery rate.

You don't mean to say there are thousands of documented cases of long term effects. Thousands you say. In a country of 330,000,000 people what percentage is thousands? There are always outliers. The mother of a dear friend of mine is suffering from dementia brought on by the flu pandemic in 2018. There have been 26 million confirmed cases of covid in the USA, if your thousands is 10,000 then that is 0. 038% of the total number of confirmed cases. 400,000,000 people forced into extreme poverty is 5% of the population of the entire fucking planet. Let me say that again, 5 fucking percent of the entire population of the planet. To put it into terms you might be able to understand, it's every single fucking person in the USA, ALL of The United Kingdom, everybody in Australia and 1/2 of Canada.

Just stop talking. Seriously, stop talking your ignorance is killing the people you continue to ignore.

It's pretty fucking obvious you don't understand globalization because you don't understand the way the economy works, I don't need to reside in the US to do this job, there is this thing called the internet.

[Admin2]

The long-term effects of COVID are going to be one of the greatest public health challenges the world has ever faced.Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.

What part of that do you idiots not understand? If you have a disease that a few million people have died WITH and your solution is to destroy the lives of 5% of the worlds population you have the wrong solution. How many of that 400,000,000 are going to die of starvation, dysentery, exposure, lack of water, no access to medical care, crime or any of the 5,000 things that people who have no homes and are trying to live in less than 2 bucks a day have to deal with. 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously what part of 400,000,000 people who used to be self sufficient and now can't feed themselves do you just not understand? I'm not saying covid is a hoax, it's obviously not, I'm saying the mitigation that has been used is obviously going to kill 10 or 100 X more people than covid and that's worse. Why do you guys simply refuse to face that? Is it because you can't? You just can't admit that you were unwilling to listen to the people who were predicting this tsunami of hunger in March and you ignored because "people before profits. " Is it really that simple?

The long term effects of covid aren't going to be shit when compared to getting the entire third world off the fucking ground again. 25 years of progress through globalization was undone in three months and you are doing it again. This shit is going to go on for decades.

[Deranged]

Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.

What part of that do you idiots not understand? If you have a disease that a few million people have died WITH and your solution is to destroy the lives of 5% of the worlds population you have the wrong solution. How many of that 400,000,000 are going to die of starvation, dysentery, exposure, lack of water, no access to medical care, crime or any of the 5,000 things that people who have no homes and are trying to live in less than 2 bucks a day have to deal with. 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously what part of 400,000,000 people who used to be self sufficient and now can't feed themselves do you just not understand? I'm not saying covid is a hoax, it's obviously not, I'm saying the mitigation that has been used is obviously going to kill 10 or 100 X more people than covid and that's worse. Why do you guys simply refuse to face that? Is it because you can't? You just can't admit that you were unwilling to listen to the people who were predicting this tsunami of hunger in March and you ignored because "people before profits. " Is it really that simple?

The long term effects of covid aren't going to be shit when compared to getting the entire third world off the fucking ground again. 25 years of progress through globalization was undone in three months and you are doing it again. This shit is going to go on for decades.Not thousands but actually millions already and likely to become tens of millions very soon if we cannot vaccinate faster.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210201-time-to-team-up-and-tackle-long-covid-says-who-expert

The NIH has allocated a billion dollars to research long-term effects? Why? Because our health care systems are already being inundated with long-term COVID patients. And we're only a year into this pandemic.

A little bit funny that you think the first world would prioritize developing countries in their decision making. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Look at vaccine distribution. Developing countries are being left for dead. Developed countries are only unfortunately interested in saving their own skins first.

If the developed countries can't get this under control, their health care systems will likely collapse in the near future. Long-term COVID patients will destroy nations' welfare finances and wreak havoc on economies due to not being able to work. There will be significant long-term global economic damage. And then the developing countries can say goodbye to capital inflow from those developed countries for good.

[KzcKzc]

Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.Exactly. The long term effects we're going to have to deal with are the result of the damage done by cowardly morons freaking out and insisting on "mitigations" that do far more harm than good.

Every flu-like virus causes long term effects in a small number of people. Covid is not any different, but idiots want to LARP a pandemic. JFC, it's been a year.

[JmSuttr]

Yeah keep waiting, enjoy them crickets. My activity or a "substansive post" is not to be monitored. And I never called myself an expert. So just keep overpaying like the rest of the Nova mongers which you seem to be so arrogant about your donation habits. So from now on you get no breath. Kick rocks with flip flops.Waiting a month to reply with nothing more than "neener neener" bullsh*t as a response. You still have no clue about the Virginia market but I guess you need to convince yourself that you're some kind of "playah," eh?

At least your lame, content-free responses in this thread have probably doubled your total post count. How pathetic is that?

BTW, the easy solution to not having your posts "monitored" is to not post at all. Given your history, it would be a gain for the forum.

[Dimples572]

Dadbabies.

https://www.seeking.com/member/c01bcab0-41a3-4552-be5b-7bf43cafb87b

Wants $3200 a month + gifts for 6 x visits a month.

Willing to do $1200 PPM + hotel + dinner.Only if you're a pathetic moron! LMAO!

[Deranged]

Exactly. The long term effects we're going to have to deal with are the result of the damage done by cowardly morons freaking out and insisting on "mitigations" that do far more harm than good.

Every flu-like virus causes long term effects in a small number of people. Covid is not any different, but idiots want to LARP a pandemic. JFC, it's been a year.How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.



I am hardly alone. While there are no exact figures on how many people around the world are suffering from what is currently being called long COVID syndrome or post-acute COVID syndrome, some estimates put the number in the millions. Self-described long-haulers like myself have banded together, though, by forming online support groups and joining social media spaces in an effort to get answers.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covid-19-long-hauler-details-his-year-of-hell-215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/death-isn-t-only-risk-010029867.html



It exists and it can affect folks young and old and those with or without previous underlying health conditions. In fact, new research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-COVID Care has shown that 10-30% of all COVID patients will become long haulers. To emphasize, thats 10-30% of all COVID patients, not 10-30% of those who are of a certain age, or those who required hospitalization. Early research suggests, even, that those who had mild symptoms and recovered at home are most likely to experience long haul symptoms.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/death-isn-t-only-risk-010029867.html



About 10 to 30% of all Covid patients will suffer from long haul symptoms, according to the latest research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-Covid Care.
Medical researchers still dont know whether patients with post acute Covid syndrome will be dealing with the effects for the rest of their lives, or just a matter of months.
Young people are less likely to die from the novel coronavirus, but severe long-haul symptoms should be a wake-up call to them, says Texas Childrens Hospital Dr. Peter Hotez.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long-haul-covid-symptoms-should-be-a-wake-up-call-for-young-people-texas-childrens-doctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.

[Admin2]

How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covid-19-long-hauler-details-his-year-of-hell-215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/death-isn-t-only-risk-010029867.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/death-isn-t-only-risk-010029867.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long-haul-covid-symptoms-should-be-a-wake-up-call-for-young-people-texas-childrens-doctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

[FloorHump422]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.Since when is being realistic fear porn? Sounds to me like you're participating in ignorance porn. Maybe it's time you looked at research outside of the US before proudly flaunting your ignorance. This research from the UK has a conservative estimate of 10% of people who've contracted the virus as suffering from Long Covid, which would be at least 11 million people globally. Even if that number were "only" in the thousands, it would be disingenuous of you to dismiss their experiences considering the hardship you say you've seen living in a "third-world country".

You're also placing stock into a webpage from the CDC that hasn't been updated since November and when the CDC hasn't even updated its directives about mask quality and proper ventilation to mitigate the spread of the virus. There is a lot we still don't know about this virus so it escapes me how you could easily disregard the experiences of a marginalized population in favor of exposing more people to possible death or lifelong health complications. How can you advocate for continuing business as usual when the risks are this great? The economic cost of lockdowns is high, but the burden of medical complications on healthcare systems because of the virus, even after "recovery", would be unprecedented.

Are you pulling numbers out of your ass again? 400 M? 111 M people have contracted covid globally. If you're also referring to people who haven't contracted it but haven been affected by it, then it would be disingenuous for you to consider them but disregard long haulers.

https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19/#Research.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-what-we-know-so-far

[Deranged]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.The CDC says "some" because they are not yet ready to make an assertion on the subject and upgrade their warning to "a disturbing amount" but the early indicators are going in that direction. "Some" does not preclude "a disturbing amount", and you are smart enough to realize that. If I was a betting man, I would say that you will most likely be eating your words in several months as more authoritative research on the subject is published. The USA NIH has allocated $1 B to long-term COVID. We will be hearing more from the NIH and CDC in the near future about this condition and its prevalence.

Conveniently, you have opted to ignore the references that the Yahoo articles cited. Why? Are you more hesitant of questioning the references' legitimacy than Yahoo Lifestyles?

Here's another one.



Early in 2021, researchers in Wuhan, China, reported that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had at least one symptom that persisted 6 months after acute infection, mostly fatigue or muscle weakness. "Studies of non-hospitalized patients have shown that anywhere from 35% to 50% of non-hospitalized patients had symptoms 2 to 4 months later," Navis noted.




"If you take 30% of that who could have potential impacts on their quality of life in the next six to nine months, we're talking about huge numbers," Englund said.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 32656-8/ fulltext.

This one is based on research published in The Lancet, one of the most reputable medical journals in the world. Do you question the legitimacy of The Lancet?

From the same article:



The University of Washington study followed 177 people with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who completed questionnaires from August to November 2020, 3 to 9 months after their COVID-19 onset (median 169 days). Mean age was 48 and 57% were women. Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (13%).

Across the cohort, 6.2% of participants were asymptomatic, 84.7% were outpatients with mild illness, and 9.0% were hospitalized with moderate or severe disease. Patients completed followup questionnaires a median of 169 days after COVID-19 onset.

Overall, 32.7% of outpatients and 31.3% of inpatients reported at least one persistent symptom, most commonly fatigue (13.6%) and loss of sense of smell or taste (13.6%). In addition, 13.0% reported other symptoms, including brain fog (2.3%).
Here's that paper which has been peer reviewed and studied.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560

What about past coronaviruses? This is a novel coronavirus after all and not an influenza virus. If we want to make projections based on the past, we may look no farther than SARS in 2003.



This prospective cohort study has shown that 52% of SARS survivors had persistent impairment in DLCO and that exercise capacity and health status were significantly lower than the normal controls of the same age groups at 24 months post‐illness. In addition, only 78% of SARS survivors had returned to work and 29% of the HCW had not resumed duty.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7192220/

Here is another one regarding SARS.



Results Of 369 SARS survivors, 233 (63.1%) participated in the study (mean period of time after SARS, 41.3 months). Over 40% of the respondents had active psychiatric illnesses, 40.3% reported a chronic fatigue problem, and 27.1% met the modified 1994 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/415378

These are quite frightening results. I, like you, indeed do hope that this virus more resembles the flu than past novel coronaviruses.

This is a novel virus that is causing immunology textbooks to be re-written on the fly. There is new research coming out on a weekly basis on how different this virus is from everything we have ever seen. I am dumbfounded by how confident ordinary people are about something that is completely new to humanity. Foremost medical experts don't even remotely fully understand how the human body and viruses work, and yet here you are having absolutely everything figured out!

Your turn. I would love to read some data that points in the direction that COVID is not causing long-term debilitating effects in millions irrespective of age and prior health. I do not and cannot know everything and have an open mind here. Again, I hope you are correct and would love to read some articles that would give me a more optimistic outlook here.

[Admin2]

Your turnOK.

The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".

[Grafenberg]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

Here's a great write up from what was known in February of last year, at some point, EVERYONE is going to get COVID.


Severe illness caused by viruses such as H5N1 also means that infected people can be identified and isolated, or that they died quickly. They do not walk around feeling just a little under the weather, seeding the virus. The new coronavirus (known technically as SARS-CoV-2) that has been spreading around the world can cause a respiratory illness that can be severe. The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent—exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.

Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they both contain single strands of RNA.* Four coronaviruses commonly infect humans, causing colds. These are believed to have evolved in humans to maximize their own spread—which means sickening, but not killing, people. By contrast, the two prior novel coronavirus outbreaks—SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, named for where the first outbreak occurred)—were picked up from animals, as was H5N1. These diseases were highly fatal to humans. If there were mild or asymptomatic cases, they were extremely few. Had there been more of them, the disease would have spread widely. Ultimately, SARS and MERS each killed fewer than 1,000 people.

COVID-19 is already reported to have killed more than twice that number. With its potent mix of characteristics, this virus is unlike most that capture popular attention: It is deadly, but not too deadly. It makes people sick, but not in predictable, uniquely identifiable ways. Last week, 14 Americans tested positive on a cruise ship in Japan despite feeling fine—the new virus may be most dangerous because, it seems, it may sometimes cause no symptoms at all.

[Nova907]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.

[HellBoyX]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[Squatty2]

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.California didn't really lock down (at least Californians didn't even f if the state mandated it), and the overwhelming majority of the deaths are in the Hispanic population, who by and large live in multi-generational housing. And whose livelihoods by and large weren't conducive to working from home and staying safe.

Trump IS an idiot. And a criminal, and a pathological liar, and a virulent racist. And a con man. People who voted for him lack character, and human decency.

[Barkeater]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .


Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[TheOuroboros]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

[HellBoyX]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.Agreed with a lot of this. All I want is for people to question what they hear. I picked up a rifle, and took a bullet for this country, is that so much to ask in return? I hate politics.

[FloorHump422]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.What legitimate points does conservatism have? We haven't seen true conservatism in this country since the '50's. What could possibly be attractive about maintaining the status quo of gross inequality we currently live in? As to your point about the vaccine, the health care companies made a point of not accepting tax-payer funding during its development. If anything, Trump contributed negatively to its development by challenging the advice of medical professionals and completely ignoring any sort of national response to the virus.

Being a moderate these days is a tacit acceptance of the undemocratic and oligarchical practices of the GOP aka the Qanon Party. If our "left" is center everywhere else in the world, where does being in the "center" here put you?

[Deranged]

OK.

The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".Dr. Fauci and the rest of the Coronavirus Task Force held a nationally televised briefing today in which they talked about long-term COVID for the first term. You know who Dr. Fauci is, right? He runs the NIAID and reports to the director of the CDC and runs the US coronavirus response. Fauci and the Task Force even cited the exact same studies that I cited earlier.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/24/fauci-says-new-data-suggest-long-covid-symptoms-can-last-up-to-9-months.html.[/QUOTE]So, yes, you are right about that website today, but it looks like that website will be changing very soon.

[TheOuroboros]

What legitimate points does conservatism have? We haven't seen true conservatism in this country since the '50's. What could possibly be attractive about maintaining the status quo of gross inequality we currently live in? As to your point about the vaccine, the health care companies made a point of not accepting tax-payer funding during its development. If anything, Trump contributed negatively to its development by challenging the advice of medical professionals and completely ignoring any sort of national response to the virus.

Being a moderate these days is a tacit acceptance of the undemocratic and oligarchical practices of the GOP aka the Qanon Party. If our "left" is center everywhere else in the world, where does being in the "center" here put you?Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.

[SonChi]

Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.Brothers, my take on this is simple: if the government wants us to shut everything down to keep us safe, then the government should keep us whole in the meantime. Not just rich people who have lobbied for favors, but all of us.

The failing of government today is that while they state what is safe or not, they offer no systematic method of allowing people to live decently if those people previously had a livelihood based on social gatherings. It is shut down, stay home, and if you cannot work from home, then starve. This is the modern failing of government.

Calling ourselves conservative or liberal does not negate this fundamental fact: we are undeserving our most vulnerable populations, including our disabled veterans, the elderly who are poor and working families, in the richest country in the history of the world and we have no true universal health care, no properly set living wage, and a broken system of winners and losers created by lobbyists called the stock market. That the market is still trading and picking winners despite the pandemic is just wrong.

So, I have mixed feelings. Based on all of the waste in the government, paying the people who are forced to stay home should be a drop in the bucket. If everyone stayed home for 1 to 2 months, but lost nothing due to a subsidy that can be paid for by removing tax loop hole from some billionaires plus access to a vaccine, this would work and get us back to work fast. Stop trading on wall street until we get back to work. Then recover together.

Back to the regularly scheduled program.

[Shinshi]

Brothers, my take on this is simple: if the government wants us to shut everything down to keep us safe, then the government should keep us whole in the meantime. Not just rich people who have lobbied for favors, but all of us.

The failing of government today is that while they state what is safe or not, they offer no systematic method of allowing people to live decently if those people previously had a livelihood based on social gatherings. It is shut down, stay home, and if you cannot work from home, then starve. This is the modern failing of government.Perfectly put, 1000% agreed with everything you said! It's borderline depressing to see both conservatives and liberals in this country slinging mud, claiming how their ideology / cause is right and how their party's leaders know how to govern / lead while the other side of the aisle are the "enemy" and whatnot. When in fact the average politician couldn't give two shits about you or me. They care about furthering their agenda, staying in power longer, getting incentives from various interest groups or companies whom they go to bat for, etc. If any of you genuinely believes that your representative, senator, or President is somehow different than all the rest, then you must still believe Santa Clause is real and that hookers actually love you.

Personally, I'm on the fence about whether or not this pandemic is as serious as they make it out to be. Nevertheless I still wear a mask everywhere, got vaccinated twice (had to for work), and see certain family and friends sparingly. And while I'm incredibly fortunate to still be working, I know plenty who are unemployed and at their wit's end as to what they're going to do next. The government shut everything down, but then failed to come up with a viable plan B in the meantime, dragging its feet on a relief package until whatever came our way barely put a dent in groceries (never mind the rent or utilities bill).

I find it inexcusable that the government was this woefully unprepared for this type of scenario. On a slightly smaller scale, it reminds me of when the Bush administration delayed with its Hurricane Katrina relief preparations and engaging in rescues. If you know some type of problem is inevitable, how can the right answer be sit back & do nothing? Or to be so criminally unprepared or inactive? Did they truly believe a pandemic of this scale wasn't possible this day & age? Did they learn nothing from avian flu, SARS, influenza, etc.? And as a side note, why is it that some people can't abide by simple instructions or humor others with a mask, social distancing, and whatnot? I'll never understand those people who essentially give everyone the finger and potentially prolong this never-ending shitshow? This applies exponentially if you fall under the high-risk category. It's one thing to endanger yourself, and quite another to endanger others.

Bottom line: I don't expect the government to be perfect in everything. No one can rightly claim to have all the answers. But this pandemic has been a major shitshow for the history books. Decades--hell, centuries--from now, people will look back and rightfully laugh at our expense. While it won't solve all our issues, voting in leaders who will take decisive action and not be held back / beholden to the top 1% will go some way in helping us move forward as a country. Because what we've experienced these last 10 years? It's no longer a liberal or conservative problem. It's something which affects the 99%. So stop being pissed at only one side and start holding them ALL accountable for letting us down.

[DogBert25]

I see a lot of escort agencies (e. G. BG) described in the massage parlor forum. Could I ask that you post messages in the appropriate forum? Thanks.

[FloorHump422]

I see a lot of escort agencies (e. G. BG) described in the massage parlor forum. Could I ask that you post messages in the appropriate forum? Thanks.BG is a PV agency. Few of their girls offer FS, therefore it is appropriate to classify them as a massage parlor.

[Bunker Buster]

Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.During one of the early Democratic debates in 2015, the candidates were asked who their enemies were. Hillary and others named the Republican Party, the NRA, and other conservative institutions, but when the question came to Jim Webb, he said "I don't consider any American to be my enemy. The only enemy I ever had was on the battlefield in Vietnam".

Conservatism and liberalism share some common ground, and dismissing one or the other as having "nothing to offer" is dismissing 1/3 or more of the population as irrelevant.

Occupy Wall Street, MAGA, and QAnon some common threads running through them, and people who align with "outsider" movements are motivated by an explanation or answer to something they see happening in the country. Government corruption, corporate cronyism, and various kinds of abuse of power are real, even if they don't fit the complete narratives of these movements. The solution isn't to dismiss everyone who follows one or more of these movements, but to ask why they feel the need to go outside of mainstream politics.

The atmosphere on the internet tends towards attacks and insults, but if we make the effort, we can talk to each other and get to the heart of what people care about. Seeing each other as having legitimate concerns, even if mistaken, as opposed to being "ignorant" or "evil" is a good start.

[PilotAviator]

During one of the early Democratic debates in 2015, the candidates were asked who their enemies were. Hillary and others named the Republican Party, the NRA, and other conservative institutions, but when the question came to Jim Webb, he said "I don't consider any American to be my enemy. The only enemy I ever had was on the battlefield in Vietnam".

Conservatism and liberalism share some common ground, and dismissing one or the other as having "nothing to offer" is dismissing 1/3 or more of the population as irrelevant.

Occupy Wall Street, MAGA, and QAnon some common threads running through them, and people who align with "outsider" movements are motivated by an explanation or answer to something they see happening in the country. Government corruption, corporate cronyism, and various kinds of abuse of power are real, even if they don't fit the complete narratives of these movements. The solution isn't to dismiss everyone who follows one or more of these movements, but to ask why they feel the need to go outside of mainstream politics.

The atmosphere on the internet tends towards attacks and insults, but if we make the effort, we can talk to each other and get to the heart of what people care about. Seeing each other as having legitimate concerns, even if mistaken, as opposed to being "ignorant" or "evil" is a good start.Wow. Reasonable discorse between adults with no one using swear words or personal insults. Maybe more people or all political parties need to be well-informed (or at least) civil mongers like BB and GnS.

Always be nice to the ladies (and to the brother and sister mongers, even if you do not agree with them, for after all, this is the "stupid shit in NoVa board".

PA.

[Irwin69]

Brothers, my take on this is simple: if the government wants us to shut everything down to keep us safe, then the government should keep us whole in the meantime. Not just rich people who have lobbied for favors, but all of us.

The failing of government today is that while they state what is safe or not, they offer no systematic method of allowing people to live decently if those people previously had a livelihood based on social gatherings. It is shut down, stay home, and if you cannot work from home, then starve. This is the modern failing of government.

Calling ourselves conservative or liberal does not negate this fundamental fact: we are undeserving our most vulnerable populations, including our disabled veterans, the elderly who are poor and working families, in the richest country in the history of the world and we have no true universal health care, no properly set living wage, and a broken system of winners and losers created by lobbyists called the stock market. That the market is still trading and picking winners despite the pandemic is just wrong.

So, I have mixed feelings. Based on all of the waste in the government, paying the people who are forced to stay home should be a drop in the bucket. If everyone stayed home for 1 to 2 months, but lost nothing due to a subsidy that can be paid for by removing tax loop hole from some billionaires plus access to a vaccine, this would work and get us back to work fast. Stop trading on wall street until we get back to work. Then recover together.

Back to the regularly scheduled program.We are literally one year behind everyone else. Trump has failed us conservative ideas has failed us. The fact that America did not demonstrate any leadership towards the pandemic. No guidelines for America no guidelines for the world to follow. We were told that we were on our own state. Oh my Trump left there was no guidelines left to buy them on what they were doing. There were no plans. We are so far behind that we're basically starting all over. It was a complete disaster. Weaponiizing even the whole idea about wearing mask is appalling. Getting the vaccine is out started in a slow snail speeds. Some vaccines disappeared or not being given out. The short time Biden is President businesses is coming back. Gas prices are up because more cars are on the highways. We have traffic in a business economy. Oil Pipe lines burst in Texas, also help rise gas prices. Conservatism is made to scare people into how bad things will be in Democrats rule. The hypocrisy is real. Trump gets accused by 26 women for sexual assaults and pays off a hooker for hush money and harassment. Governor Cumo gets three people angry because he was asking for a kiss and the Republicans want Governor Cumo to resign.

[Shinshi]

We are literally one year behind everyone else. Trump has failed us conservative ideas has failed us. The fact that America did not demonstrate any leadership towards the pandemic. No guidelines for America no guidelines for the world to follow. We were told that we were on our own state. Oh my Trump left there was no guidelines left to buy them on what they were doing. There were no plans. We are so far behind that we're basically starting all over. It was a complete disaster. Weaponiizing even the whole idea about wearing mask is appalling. Getting the vaccine is out started in a slow snail speeds. Some vaccines disappeared or not being given out. The short time Biden is President businesses is coming back. Gas prices are up because more cars are on the highways. We have traffic in a business economy. Oil Pipe lines burst in Texas, also help rise gas prices. Conservatism is made to scare people into how bad things will be in Democrats rule. The hypocrisy is real. Trump gets accused by 26 women for sexual assaults and pays off a hooker for hush money and harassment. Governor Cumo gets three people angry because he was asking for a kiss and the Republicans want Governor Cumo to resign.I don't mean to be insulting, but good lord your grammar is giving me a headache trying to discern what's being said. I will say this much in reply though: you're still blaming this shitshow on one party when you ought to be blaming the whole political apparatus, both houses of Congress, both parties, etc. This is not any one person's fault. And you're delusional if you truly think it is.

The majority of elected officials have fucked us raw by enacting economically-crippling regulations, lack of a plan B in place for months (despite such a scenario being deemed very probable decades earlier), a slow roll-out of a solution / vaccine (who's effectiveness is questionable as new strains of the virus continue to pop up), and still no clear timetable of when shit will return to normal. To be fair on that last point though, the majority of our countrymen make that one a bit tricky to determine. Most Americans are selfish and care more about their right to do something (I. E. - wearing a mask, blowing off curfew, etc) then they do about other's safety, much less their own.

There's a reason why Japan, South Korea, Italy, and other developed countries are doing so much better now than we are. But will the average American take note & do what's necessary in order to get back to normalcy? Fuck no, because "their freedoms!" It would all be laughable if it wasn't so sad at the same time. We bring a lot of shit on ourselves, especially by being complacent with the current status quo that has been present in DC for years. Until we make some changes (and no, voting in the other party doesn't qualify if both have failed us equally), then we will continue to lose some people, lose more money, and ultimately prolong the recovery for many more months--possibly years. And frankly, it will have been all our fault.

So again, stop blaming one person / group. Hold all our leaders accountable for this clusterfuck. I don't know how much more simply I can state this.

[FloorHump422]

So again, stop blaming one person / group. Hold all our leaders accountable for this clusterfuck. I don't know how much more simply I can state this.Do both parties suck? Yes. However, at least the Democratic Party is ideologically diverse compared to the homogeneity of the Republican Party. How can you say that both parties are equally bad when one failed to provide stimulus to the American people (did any Republicans vote in favor of the newest bill?) and when one actively seeks to attack democracy (support of the Jan 6th insurrection and voter suppression bills). One party has openly stated that "they can't win elections if more people are given the opportunity to vote". Rather than make their party platform more inclusive, they decided to double down on abandoning representative government. One party also colluded with a foreign adversary to secure a win (why were only the DNC emails leaked when Russia hacked both parties?) and even visited said adversary for the 4th of July. So much for country over party.

Are you forgetting that the Senate Majority Leader didn't allow over 400 House bills to be brought to a vote over the past two years? But "both sides are bad".

As for assigning some responsibility for the poor response to the virus to Trump, how could he not be held responsible? He was the executive of this country and didn't present a unified strategy to addressing the pandemic. Instead, he challenged the advice of medical professionals and mocked health measures while enjoying cutting-edge medical treatments when infected with the virus and privately received the vaccine before leaving the White House.

Are democrats perfect? No. That's why we're voting in progressives at the local level, but, it's very telling that such ideological discussions aren't happening within the Republican Party.

[Grafenberg]

Do both parties suck? Yes. However, at least the Democratic Party is ideologically diverse compared to the homogeneity of the Republican Party. How can you say that both parties are equally bad when one failed to provide stimulus to the American people (did any Republicans vote in favor of the newest bill?) and when one actively seeks to attack democracy (support of the Jan 6th insurrection and voter suppression bills). One party has openly stated that "they can't win elections if more people are given the opportunity to vote". Rather than make their party platform more inclusive, they decided to double down on abandoning representative government. One party also colluded with a foreign adversary to secure a win (why were only the DNC emails leaked when Russia hacked both parties?) and even visited said adversary for the 4th of July. So much for country over party.

Are you forgetting that the Senate Majority Leader didn't allow over 400 House bills to be brought to a vote over the past two years? But "both sides are bad".

As for assigning some responsibility for the poor response to the virus to Trump, how could he not be held responsible? He was the executive of this country and didn't present a unified strategy to addressing the pandemic. Instead, he challenged the advice of medical professionals and mocked health measures while enjoying cutting-edge medical treatments when infected with the virus and privately received the vaccine before leaving the White House.

Are democrats perfect? No. That's why we're voting in progressives at the local level, but, it's very telling that such ideological discussions aren't happening within the Republican Party.You're literally repeating every piece of propaganda put out by MSM. Progressives are the useful idiots that will meet the same fate as those in the French Revolution. If you have enough money to spend on hookers in NOVA, you're rich and will be eaten by the poor.

[Mandoo2]

Do both parties suck? Yes. However, at least the Democratic Party is ideologically diverse compared to the homogeneity of the Republican Party. How can you say that both parties are equally bad when one failed to provide stimulus to the American people (did any Republicans vote in favor of the newest bill?) and when one actively seeks to attack democracy (support of the Jan 6th insurrection and voter suppression bills). One party has openly stated that "they can't win elections if more people are given the opportunity to vote". Rather than make their party platform more inclusive, they decided to double down on abandoning representative government. One party also colluded with a foreign adversary to secure a win (why were only the DNC emails leaked when Russia hacked both parties?) and even visited said adversary for the 4th of July. So much for country over party.

Are you forgetting that the Senate Majority Leader didn't allow over 400 House bills to be brought to a vote over the past two years? But "both sides are bad".

As for assigning some responsibility for the poor response to the virus to Trump, how could he not be held responsible? He was the executive of this country and didn't present a unified strategy to addressing the pandemic. Instead, he challenged the advice of medical professionals and mocked health measures while enjoying cutting-edge medical treatments when infected with the virus and privately received the vaccine before leaving the White House.

Are democrats perfect? No. That's why we're voting in progressives at the local level, but, it's very telling that such ideological discussions aren't happening within the Republican Party.Remember, the Republicans suddenly remembered they are the party of fiscal responsibility. Before the pandemic, it needs to be remembered that the economy was doing pretty well (continuing off from the Obama years, but it's the narrative). Trump was actually on a trajectory to win re-election without any foreign assistance. He didn't have a strategy for the coronavirus other than to prevent states from shutting down, which would take down the economy and his re-election chances with it. He had no other platform for why he deserved re-election, didn't care to broaden his base. And he almost won re-election and that's the crazy thing. The Republican problem is that they spent years saying government is the problem and then get stuck running the government and being responsible for it. It's no coincidence that red states are primarily governed by Rs and generally are worse off than blue states. You see are policies in action and the state is generally worse for it. Weakened unions under the guise of right-to-work, low wages, underfunded education, etc.

[Deranged]

Perfectly put, 1000% agreed with everything you said! It's borderline depressing to see both conservatives and liberals in this country slinging mud, claiming how their ideology / cause is right and how their party's leaders know how to govern / lead while the other side of the aisle are the "enemy" and whatnot. When in fact the average politician couldn't give two shits about you or me. They care about furthering their agenda, staying in power longer, getting incentives from various interest groups or companies whom they go to bat for, etc. If any of you genuinely believes that your representative, senator, or President is somehow different than all the rest, then you must still believe Santa Clause is real and that hookers actually love you.

Personally, I'm on the fence about whether or not this pandemic is as serious as they make it out to be. Nevertheless I still wear a mask everywhere, got vaccinated twice (had to for work), and see certain family and friends sparingly. And while I'm incredibly fortunate to still be working, I know plenty who are unemployed and at their wit's end as to what they're going to do next. The government shut everything down, but then failed to come up with a viable plan B in the meantime, dragging its feet on a relief package until whatever came our way barely put a dent in groceries (never mind the rent or utilities bill).

I find it inexcusable that the government was this woefully unprepared for this type of scenario. On a slightly smaller scale, it reminds me of when the Bush administration delayed with its Hurricane Katrina relief preparations and engaging in rescues. If you know some type of problem is inevitable, how can the right answer be sit back & do nothing? Or to be so criminally unprepared or inactive? Did they truly believe a pandemic of this scale wasn't possible this day & age? Did they learn nothing from avian flu, SARS, influenza, etc.? And as a side note, why is it that some people can't abide by simple instructions or humor others with a mask, social distancing, and whatnot? I'll never understand those people who essentially give everyone the finger and potentially prolong this never-ending shitshow? This applies exponentially if you fall under the high-risk category. It's one thing to endanger yourself, and quite another to endanger others.

Bottom line: I don't expect the government to be perfect in everything. No one can rightly claim to have all the answers. But this pandemic has been a major shitshow for the history books. Decades--hell, centuries--from now, people will look back and rightfully laugh at our expense. While it won't solve all our issues, voting in leaders who will take decisive action and not be held back / beholden to the top 1% will go some way in helping us move forward as a country. Because what we've experienced these last 10 years? It's no longer a liberal or conservative problem. It's something which affects the 99%.Wow, maybe you should run for president. You really have it all figured out, don't you? Mortals and those stupid government people could not hope to comprehend your infinite otherworldly wisdom.

[Shinshi]

Do both parties suck? Yes. However, at least the Democratic Party is ideologically diverse compared to the homogeneity of the Republican Party.Not trying to selectively quote your post, it's just that what I'm about to write will be quite lengthy.

Your first two sentences laid out the unadulterated truth: both parties suck. Which is why I'll never understand why fellow Americans are so hell-bent on maintaining the two-party status quo. Seems most are masochists who enjoy this mess for both themselves & others. You're also 1,000% right that it starts at the local level, but again the majority won't even do that much. They'll blindly adhere to the whole "red vs blue" conflict which resembles bad reality TV.

Are Democrats technically more diverse, modern, and accepting in most of their ideological stances (compared to Republicans)? Sure, I won't refute that. But I've never been one to condone choosing between the "lesser of two evils. " It's a copout and--frankly--a coward's way of voting. All it does is keep the status quo in place. We have third party candidates for a reason. I don't get why we don't vote in the most qualified person who represents our values instead of making it a 50-50 coin flip.

As for Trump, I never said he wasn't responsible. That piece of shit certainly has a lot to atone for: not having a basic actionable pandemic plan formulated in the first place, bungling those crucial first few months by closing businesses and not offering much in the way of a plan B let alone financial assistance for months, undermining his own health officials publicly, continuing to sling mud at opponents in a petty teenager-like fit on social media, the list goes on.

But I also hold Democrats responsible for some bullshit. They didn't call for an emergency vote on an economic stimulus package when they could have. They hypocritically whine about pork-spending in the Republican drafts despite being guilty as sin in their own past legislation (especially during the Obama administration). They wasted everyone's time with not one--but TWO--impeachment proceedings which were unsuccessful. And it's not like they can claim the moral high ground after then-President Clinton's impeachment proceedings (after all, why would the GOP impeach their man when Democrats didn't do so decades prior?) . Also, some continue to virtue-signal, aim for "moral victories," and get in verbal spats with fellow colleagues instead of doing something of substance without any extra fanfare (*cough* AOC *cough), etc.

All this craziness reminds me of 2012 - 2013. During those years, I worked for the feds and a government shutdown was looming. It partially stemmed from then-President Obama's divisive healthcare reform, what was colloquially known as "Obamacare. " Republicans determined to draw a line in the sand, refusing to pass an increase to the debt ceiling or a national budget until the 11th hour. What will always be seared in my memory was how both parties were pictured that day shaking hands, clapping each other on the back, acting like they did a great thing--despite it being part of their job. But the real kicker? The legislation that passed guaranteed government funding for a little over a month. Yes, you read that right--these motherfuckers thought they had achieved something and were actually proud to have temporarily averted a financial crisis which they themselves brought about.

Furthermore, you realize that when shutdowns occur that politicians can still collect paychecks & have access to healthcare services? Meanwhile, government employees & military still had to show up to work business as usual while contractors went on indefinite furlough. None of those three groups get a single red cent until a budget passes. Take a wild guess what happened after the temporary bandaid wore off a month later? They passed yet another temporary measure. And then it all shut down for 16 long days in October 2013 before they finally passed a working budget (and eventually funding Obamacare anyway, making the whole line in the sand a meaningless farce).

Yes, Republicans justifiably took the brunt of negative publicity. But in my view, Democrats were just as much to blame. I mean seriously, why is our government so reactionary? Where's the proactive measures, the planning, doing shit ahead of time instead of procrastinating? Why be complacent and wait until the last-minute to get what needs to be done accomplished? To me, that was one of the most moronic, criminally stupid things I've ever witnessed. Since then, I determined that every politician who was in office between 2012-2013 will never get my vote ever again. Failing that miserably on so many levels doesn't warrant a second chance in my book.

Again, I write this Bible of a post to emphasize that no political party is innocent. To me, they're both equally deplorable in the manner in which they failed us. I just wish everyone else would be just as outraged as I and vote accordingly. But I doubt I'll ever see the responsible ones ever held accountable. This country is broken, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we get surpassed as a global superpower and undergo a further recession into obscurity. Frankly, we Americans made out bed and must lie in it. This is what the majority wanted after all. Hopefully, I'll have already moved out of the US before some of the worse shit takes place.

[Shinshi]

Wow, maybe you should run for president. You really have it all figured out, don't you? Mortals and those stupid government people could not hope to comprehend your infinite otherworldly wisdom.If that's all you took from that post--despite me even acknowledging to not have all the answers & recognizing that government isn't perfect--then frankly you are unworthy of conversing with. Some people just stubbornly hold onto their ideals for dear life while looking for conflict everywhere they go. And those people are not worth the headache. Enjoy arguing with yourself, little man.

[TheOuroboros]

Not trying to selectively quote your post, it's just that what I'm about to write will be quite lengthy.

Your first two sentences laid out the unadulterated truth: both parties suck. Which is why I'll never understand why fellow Americans are so hell-bent on maintaining the two-party status quo. Seems most are masochists who enjoy this mess for both themselves & others. You're also 1,000% right that it starts at the local level, but again the majority won't even do that much. They'll blindly adhere to the whole "red vs blue" conflict which resembles bad reality TV.

Are Democrats technically more diverse, modern, and accepting in most of their ideological stances (compared to Republicans)? Sure, I won't refute that. But I've never been one to condone choosing between the "lesser of two evils. " It's a copout and--frankly--a coward's way of voting. All it does is keep the status quo in place. We have third party candidates for a reason. I don't get why we don't vote in the most qualified person who represents our values instead of making it a 50-50 coin flip.


But I also hold Democrats responsible for some bullshit. They didn't call for an emergency vote on an economic stimulus package when they could have. They hypocritically whine about pork-spending in the Republican drafts despite being guilty as sin in their own past legislation (especially during the Obama administration). They wasted everyone's time with not one--but TWO--impeachment proceedings which were unsuccessful.

Again, I write this Bible of a post to emphasize that no political party is innocent. To me, they're both equally deplorable in the manner in which they failed us. I just wish everyone else would be just as outraged as I and vote accordingly. But I doubt I'll ever see the responsible ones ever held accountable. This country is broken, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we get surpassed as a global superpower and undergo a further recession into obscurity. Frankly, we Americans made out bed and must lie in it. This is what the majority wanted after all. Hopefully, I'll have already moved out of the US before some of the worse shit takes place.United? United in what? We're supposed to be one country, that is looked up to by the rest of the world as a superpower and yet that time has long passed because we're really not number one anymore. Our healthcare sucks, our education sucks, the middle class has been swallowed whole by the divisional gap between the rich and poor, our job security is failing and social security will be in shambles by the time us working folk retire. We have been surpassed by other countries already and you want to know the irony of it all? This big superpower we proclaim to be is in debt trillions to China.

We have all these glaring issues that remain to be fixed but we're too busy maintaining the poor status quo by slinging mud at each other. This bickering and arguing amongst ourselves doesn't serve us at all and as the divide continues to grow year after year our chances of retaking that number 1 slot become slimmer and slimmer. Republicans have failed us. As stated the government was in their hands during this pandemic and while countries initially hit harder by the pandemic recovered, we managed to make it worse. (Ok I guess we are number one in something) but what did the democrats do once they took the reigns? Did they double down on getting the vaccine out? No they spent our tax dollars on another failed impeachment. Why? Trump is gone, get over it move on! Our government should have shifted gears IMMEDIATELY a to get a vaccine ready and instead they wasted a valuable month on stupid shit. Time is money people and WE should be holding our representatives accountable.

We pay them. A lot. More than we should. Let's be honest? Why? If they are serving our interest maybe politics should be a volunteer position? Someone whose willing to fix this country and not take a penny to do it certainly would have my best interest in mind. As stated before they don't have our interest at heart, it's their interest. Their paycheck, their legacy that they have to protect. And that's why they resort to mudslinging rather than talk about their platform. It's nothing more than a game, a fight for job security. And you can't win elections by explaining why you're the best candidate, you win by trashing the opposition and creating the illusion that you're better by comparison.

Did you know that George Washington, our founding father and first president, was vehemently against a two party system? He warned that the creation of political factions would build a machine solely intent on seeking and retaining power rather than incline the interest of men and public liberty. Well golly gee, 200+ year big brain play that we all just conveniently ignored and now the problem blew up in our faces.

It's in our hands to respect each other. Be excellent to each other if you will. Because our differences shouldn't divide us. They should unite us. In order to do that we have to rise above the political bullshit and start seeing us all as Americans first and everything else second.

It's no wonder a hooker can come here to NOVA and charge $$$ for service when she only charges $. 5 in Tampa. One country folks. Not 50 disillusioned states. And it all starts by spitting out the bullshit narrative both parties are spoonfeeding you.

[FloorHump422]

We have all these glaring issues that remain to be fixed but we're too busy maintaining the poor status quo by slinging mud at each other. This bickering and arguing amongst ourselves doesn't serve us at all and as the divide continues to grow year after year our chances of retaking that number 1 slot become slimmer and slimmer. Republicans have failed us. As stated the government was in their hands during this pandemic and while countries initially hit harder by the pandemic recovered, we managed to make it worse. (Ok I guess we are number one in something) but what did the democrats do once they took the reigns? Did they double down on getting the vaccine out? No they spent our tax dollars on another failed impeachment. Why? Trump is gone, get over it move on! Our government should have shifted gears IMMEDIATELY a to get a vaccine ready and instead they wasted a valuable month on stupid shit. Time is money people and WE should be holding our representatives accountable.Democrats multi-tasked and the impeachment trial took all of a week. The trial didn't even start a month until after Biden took office. They wasted a minimal amount of tax dollars building their case as the evidence was straightforward and easily obtainable from public statements. Regarding whether a trial even should have been held, Trump being out of office is meaningless if he committed crimes while in office. Do presidents get free reign to commit crimes if they do so in their last days in office?

Regarding the vaccine, the companies making it didn't accept taxpayer money to develop it so there was nothing the Congress could do in that regard. Did you want them to rush the authorization process for the J&J vaccine? At this point, the most you can do is improve its distribution, but no Republican voted for the stimulus bill which included increased funding for that purpose.

The Democrats are limited in their ability to act expeditiously because of the obstruction of Republicans. Republicans who took an inordinate amount of time to establish new rules for the split Congress and who invoked every procedural practice possible to stall the stimulus bill and Biden's cabinet nominees.

[Shinshi]

It's in our hands to respect each other. Be excellent to each other if you will. Because our differences shouldn't divide us. They should unite us. In order to do that we have to rise above the political bullshit and start seeing us all as Americans first and everything else second.

It's no wonder a hooker can come here to NOVA and charge $$$ for service when she only charges $. 5 in Tampa. One country folks. Not 50 disillusioned states. And it all starts by spitting out the bullshit narrative both parties are spoonfeeding you.There's definitely a divide in this country which needs to be bridged while basic human decency & respect should be given to those around us. With that being said, there are some who frankly aren't worthy of inclusion at the adult's table. Exhibit A is Deranged--and others like him--who feel the overwhelming compulsion to be a vindictive, sarcastic prick just because they can. I typically treat such a group like children (or ignore them outright) owing to the fact that they've not earned the right to be treated differently.

Yes, that category of folks might constitute a sizable portion of citizenry (35% - 45% ?) . But when such a group is so set in their ways and want nothing more than to keep the status quo while believing their party is the perfect answer to everything? How can anyone even bother wasting a millisecond conversing with such fanaticism? You'd think shaming them by exclusion would hammer the point down & shame them to change some of their ways, but some like Deranged might just wear that as a badge of honor & feel further vindicated in their belief system.

[Deranged]

If that's all you took from that post--despite me even acknowledging to not have all the answers & recognizing that government isn't perfect--then frankly you are unworthy of conversing with. Some people just stubbornly hold onto their ideals for dear life while looking for conflict everywhere they go. And those people are not worth the headache. Enjoy arguing with yourself, little man.Again with the holier-than-thou preaching with nothing of substance to contribute. No wonder you have to pay people to spend time with you.

[Shinshi]

Again with the holier-than-thou preaching with nothing of substance to contribute. No wonder you have to pay people to spend time with you.Believe whatever you like. I couldn't care less what your perception of me is. Fact of the matter is you're the one who allowed those earlier posts to cause such personal angst. And what's even more hilarious is they weren't even initially directed at you--not unless you're one of those who are indeed complacent with the current state of the country.

Also I've contributed a fair amount to both this forum and the present conversation. Remember it was you who rolled up in here with the shitty attitude and sarcasm. That speaks far more volumes about you than anyone else here. So spare me your selective outrage and victimhood. You act like an asshole, I'm going to treat you as such. Don't like it? Pound sand.

[SlapNutts]

These people were just trying to earn a living and mind their business and some piece of s**t decides to just snuff them all out. We'll see how it all sorts out regarding motive, but my money is on him just being a racist piece of s**t acting out on this weird anti-asian racist sentiment that's suddenly going around. To that end, does anyone know what that's all about? Is it really derived from the whole "China virus" rhetoric the previous administration liked to spew? If so, you have to be a real loser with a real low IQ to get spun up and filled with hate towards an entire race over that.Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.

[LittleGiant]

Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.It is racist when you call it Chinese Virus when there is a name used by world health organization "COVID-19".

[JayCramer80]

Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.The guy is a total nut job just like every other mass murderer. Gun control or background checks have nothing to with it. But the Politicians will want to punish law abiding citizens because of what somebbut job did!

[Barkeater]

There are lots of different kinds of Chinese Food, and lots of different Virus' that come from China. The Avian flu for one. If you mean Covid just say Covid and stop being dense. You can say 'I had Itallian food for dinner, but until you say what you ate I don't know if you had pizza or pasta.


Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.

[Eerock]

Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.LOL. It didn't become the China virus until President Shit the Bed realized he had to actually pay attention to it and provide leadership on it, rather than engage in his normal ADHD daily routine, collateral damage--no matter how tragic, like yesterday--be damned.

[Eerock]

Accused / killer said he was addicted to sex and blames the massage parlors for his addiction. If anyone feels like this in here to please get help. We all have spent thousands of dollars and know the it is addicting. This is a mutual thing and you are participating / engaging in one of the oldest profession. You are privileged to even participate. I do wish they legalized this profession to protect workers rights. I pray for the people who died and their family. This did not need to happen.The God squaders inculcated that guilt in him. Those people never take responsibility for their own actions.

[DogBert25]

Accused / killer said he was addicted to sex and blames the massage parlors for his addiction. If anyone feels like this in here to please get help. We all have spent thousands of dollars and know the it is addicting. This is a mutual thing and you are participating / engaging in one of the oldest profession. You are privileged to even participate. I do wish they legalized this profession to protect workers rights. I pray for the people who died and their family. This did not need to happen.You got it absolutely right. How many of us have felt shame at our inability to control our impulse? Based on discussions here, regardless of our political beliefs, we hold no grudge against the Asians who work at these places, since they provide services to us that American girls / women refuse to provide.

Maybe move this discussion to the sexual addiction forum, which is pretty quiet right now.

[EasyGoingJ]

There are lots of different kinds of Chinese Food, and lots of different Virus' that come from China. The Avian flu for one. If you mean Covid just say Covid and stop being dense. You can say 'I had Itallian food for dinner, but until you say what you ate I don't know if you had pizza or pasta.No doubt lots of virus' come from China and other places as well, but in the year 2020 I think we all know that this is a " China Virus " , and I don't feel racist to describe it as such. The previous poster gave only a few of the many things named by place of origin, if I throw in " Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever " it probably wouldn't be thought that I didn't like people from the Rockies.

Call it what makes you feel PC and I'll call it the China Virus and hope they pay a price for the millions dead around the world.

You do know that they let people travel from Wuhan to wherever they wanted OUTSIDE of China, and that they have the only economy that has grown in the last year?

[EasyGoingJ]

No doubt lots of virus' come from China and other places as well, but in the year 2020 I think we all know that this is a " China Virus " , and I don't feel racist to describe it as such. The previous poster gave only a few of the many things named by place of origin, if I throw in " Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever " it probably wouldn't be thought that I didn't like people from the Rockies.

Call it what makes you feel PC and I'll call it the China Virus and hope they pay a price for the millions dead around the world.

You do know that they let people travel from Wuhan to wherever they wanted OUTSIDE of China, and that they have the only economy that has grown in the last year?This guy was definitely a wack job, IMHO, neither race nor money had anything to do with this awful killing of innocents, this is an unbelievably extreme case of the little head taking over!

[FloorHump422]

Rhetoric? It is the China Virus, that's where it came from. Just like "Lyme Disease" came from Lyme, Connecticut. If that's the case Chinese food shouldn't be called that any more, or Italian food is that racist too? Or Japanese car? Or is it only racist when it's a virus?.Just like the Spanish Flu, which came from Sp. . . Kansas?

[FloorHump422]

Call it what makes you feel PC and I'll call it the China Virus and hope they pay a price for the millions dead around the world.

You do know that they let people travel from Wuhan to wherever they wanted OUTSIDE of China, and that they have the only economy that has grown in the last year?Just because the virus originated in China, doesn't mean China is responsible for its propagation outside of the country. Should the US be held accountable for the millions of people that die annually from obesity?

[EasyGoingJ]

QUOTE=FloorHump422;5259956]Just because the virus originated in China, doesn't mean China is responsible for its propagation outside of the country. Should the US be held accountable for the millions of people that die annually from obesity? .

Meaningless analogy and poor reading comprehension.

In this case, when there was a virus in Wuhan, Chinese citizens were allowed to travel from Wuhan anywhere in the world OUTSIDE of China, so yes I have no problem saying the Chinese are responsible for the propagation of the China Virus outside of China, they knew enough not to let it spread in their country but had no qualms exporting it all over the world. So it certainly does mean they are responsible for its propagation outside of China. Perhaps I am missing your point, whom do you suggest is responsible for the propagation of the virus outside of China?

I won't even bother with the lies coming from WHO and the CCP, even a year plus later the investigators they have finally let in were restricted from any sensitive sites.

[Grafenberg]

Just like the Spanish Flu, which came from Sp. . . Kansas?The Spanish flu came from China.

[Irwin69]

The Spanish flu came from China.Wrong! 1918 flu aka Spanish Flu came from Kansas USA from our Swine treatment which supplied our US Military. Which killed 50-100 million people worldwide. Why are we not prosecuted from those deaths? Did we close our borders or stop commerce? Did we take responsibility? Fact is we were expected to get a major pandemic. We was overdue for a big one. If this was man made. Then we are screwed because a natural one has not come out yet. Better pray to God this was the big one.

[Irwin69]

QUOTE=FloorHump422;5259956]Just because the virus originated in China, doesn't mean China is responsible for its propagation outside of the country. Should the US be held accountable for the millions of people that die annually from obesity? .

Meaningless analogy and poor reading comprehension.

In this case, when there was a virus in Wuhan, Chinese citizens were allowed to travel from Wuhan anywhere in the world OUTSIDE of China, so yes I have no problem saying the Chinese are responsible for the propagation of the China Virus outside of China, they knew enough not to let it spread in their country but had no qualms exporting it all over the world. So it certainly does mean they are responsible for its propagation outside of China. Perhaps I am missing your point, whom do you suggest is responsible for the propagation of the virus outside of China?

I won't even bother with the lies coming from WHO and the CCP, even a year plus later the investigators they have finally let in were restricted from any sensitive sites.China did not close their borders same reason USA didn't close theirs immediately. It would of devastated our economy. We continued travel from everywhere else. It was already too late.

[BahhumBug]

No evidence has been found that verifies where the Spanish flu originated. It was called the Spanish flu for the same reason that Trump uses China Virus or Kung Flu for covid, propaganda. I personally think calling covid the China virus is racist. Other users have pointed out that viruses are named after where they originate all the time and have used Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever as examples. However, these viruses are named after specific regions where they were first observed at. We don't call Lyme disease the "USA disease" or Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever the "USA Spotted Fever". So why would we call a virus that originated in a specific region of China the "China virus", instead of after the specific region where it originated, Wuhan. Calling it the Wuhan virus, to me is ok, and the same as Lyme disease of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.


The Spanish flu came from China.

[Tom McAn]

I have a feeling they are going to do just the opposite and start shutting down rub and tugs.I sure hope not. The women who were murdered in the Atlanta-area massage parlors did nothing to deserve their fate. The shootings were the actions of a sick, demented individual who doesn't deserve to be called a man.

The feds and Uncle LEO need to stop pursuing consenting adults who happen to exchange money during their activities. Groups like the Polaris Project also need to stand down. Go after the true pimps and traffickers but leave average providers and mongers alone.

[RockSwithSalt]

I have a feeling they are going to do just the opposite and start shutting down rub and tugs.This is a terrible tragedy for those involved. As I read about and did some reading including looking at pictures of the AMPs that were involved I was really struck by the contrast of Atlanta versus NOVA. As many of you know our local spots are often very low key, maybe just a number on the door in a multi tenant mixed use low rise office complex. In Atlanta the exteriors and locations scream "look at me." If this goes to trial the defense may very well use the defendant as victim argument talking about his "sex addiction". To make their case they will dig into the details of what goes on at the AMPs and educate the public. There will be consequences.

[Grafenberg]

Wrong! 1918 flu aka Spanish Flu came from Kansas USA from our Swine treatment which supplied our US Military. Which killed 50-100 million people worldwide. Why are we not prosecuted from those deaths? Did we close our borders or stop commerce? Did we take responsibility? Fact is we were expected to get a major pandemic. We was overdue for a big one. If this was man made. Then we are screwed because a natural one has not come out yet. Better pray to God this was the big one.Wrong! It came from China. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health.

[Squatty2]

This guy was definitely a wack job, IMHO, neither race nor money had anything to do with this awful killing of innocents, this is an unbelievably extreme case of the little head taking over!Sex addiction causes one to masturbate uncontrollably, patronize prostitutes, cheat on your spouse, etc. It absolutely doesn't cause one to become a mass murderer of random Asian women. Dude is a premeditated homegrown terrorist.

[Barkeater]

So you say "why can't I call it the China virus, that's where it comes from" but then you say you think China caused the virus and needs to pay for it. I see you are following your leaders playbook. Say all kinds of racist crap and when you get called on it deny everything and say "who, me?

And what, I'm being PC because I don't hate the Chinese? OK, I'm guilty, I don't hate all Chinese people. I guess that for you being PC is a bad thing, because its better to just be hateful and angry and blame everybody else for your problems.


No doubt lots of virus' come from China and other places as well, but in the year 2020 I think we all know that this is a " China Virus " , and I don't feel racist to describe it as such. The previous poster gave only a few of the many things named by place of origin, if I throw in " Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever " it probably wouldn't be thought that I didn't like people from the Rockies.

Call it what makes you feel PC and I'll call it the China Virus and hope they pay a price for the millions dead around the world.

You do know that they let people travel from Wuhan to wherever they wanted OUTSIDE of China, and that they have the only economy that has grown in the last year?

[Kijimuna]

I sure hope not. The women who were murdered in the Atlanta-area massage parlors did nothing to deserve their fate. The shootings were the actions of a sick, demented individual who doesn't deserve to be called a man.

The feds and Uncle LEO need to stop pursuing consenting adults who happen to exchange money during their activities. Groups like the Polaris Project also need to stand down. Go after the true pimps and traffickers but leave average providers and mongers alone.Agreed, but look all ready there are headlines about a football player asking for his glute to be massaged and the therapist freaking out because she saw the tip of his penis between his legs. These headlines are going to be around for a while and I don't want to be on the front page due to a place being raided. I think I'm going to take a break from the spas and only got to independent providers that I trust like KK or Tara.

[Grafenberg]

Sex addiction causes one to masturbate uncontrollably, patronize prostitutes, cheat on your spouse, etc. It absolutely doesn't cause one to become a mass murderer of random Asian women. Dude is a premeditated homegrown terrorist.Or does it, apparently experts say it can.


Hypersexuality becomes problematic when it causes significant distress to an individual, or puts them at risk of harming themselves or someone else.https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/hypersexuality-sex-addiction

Progressives and those who follow critical theory believe words don't have objective meaning, and words just mean whatever they feel should mean. However, terrorism is defined as using terror for coercion.


Robert Aaron Long, the suspect in the killing of eight people at three massage parlors in the Atlanta area, told investigators that he targeted the businesses because he blamed them for providing an outlet for his addiction to sex, law-enforcement officials said.Here it looks like the suspect committed the crime as revenge. Or do you believe he was trying to COERCE politicians to change state or local policy regarding AMPs?

[FloorHump422]

Progressives and those who follow critical theory believe words don't have objective meaning, and words just mean whatever they feel should mean. However, terrorism is defined as using terror for coercion.Wrong. The definition of terrorism you're using, which various outlets have agreed is difficult to define is: "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion". Notice the "especially"? The important part is not that terror was used to coerce an individual / group, but rather, that terror was used in a systematic way. Whether the perpetrator intended to cause people indirectly involved with this attack distress is relevant, as it is well documented that that was the result. Even if you want to fixate on coercion, his intention was to COERCE the women working at those spas into no longer tempting him.

[Grafenberg]

Wrong. The definition of terrorism you're using, which various outlets have agreed is difficult to define is: "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion". Notice the "especially"? The important part is not that terror was used to coerce an individual / group, but rather, that terror was used in a systematic way. Whether the perpetrator intended to cause people indirectly involved with this attack distress is relevant, as it is well documented that that was the result. Even if you want to fixate on coercion, his intention was to COERCE the women working at those spas into no longer tempting him.So Harvey Weinstein is a terrorists?

[DogBert25]

You are correct that not all mongers get their mugshots posted. I would guess on average, the local news run two "prostitution arrests" stories each year where they post photos as a way to deter people. The bigger issue is that if you are ever arrested (even if not convicted), your names comes up on future google searches with the prostitution charges for your future employers, your spouse, your kids, your neighbors, etc to see.

Sorry to be a negative Nelly, but I think it is important to remember what is at risk with this hobby and take the necessary precautions.What bothers me the most is the charge "frequenting a bawdy place. " That sounds like a joke. But it isn't. How are you supposed to know that a MP is not legit without going inside?

[Admin2]

So you say "why can't I call it the China virus, that's where it comes from" but then you say you think China caused the virus and needs to pay for it. I see you are following your leaders playbook. Say all kinds of racist crap and when you get called on it deny everything and say "who, me?

And what, I'm being PC because I don't hate the Chinese? OK, I'm guilty, I don't hate all Chinese people. I guess that for you being PC is a bad thing, because its better to just be hateful and angry and blame everybody else for your problems.Covid 19 came out of the wet market in Wuhan where they routinely slaughter wild and domestic animals on the same blocks which has caused several avian flu's to emerge from China. The below article is from 2006 and was published by the National Institute of Health. It's not effected by corona hype, it was literally predicting what happened last year.

To put it in another way, if you have an unfenced ground level swimming pool in your back yard and people keep drowning in it because it's unfenced at what point do you become responsible for those deaths? China was clearly aware of the hazard posed by the wet markets, in this instance they had been warned of the covid 19 threat by a doctor who was subsequently jailed and then most likely killed, they didn't prevent the mass exodus that happens every year with Chinese New Year knowing about the danger posed.

I'm a lifelong lefty so I'm not following the MAGA guy, at what point do you say, "yeah China was clearly negligent as a government and needs to pay?" I don't hate Chinese people either so this isn't racist crap, they knew about the hazard and did nothing to mitigate it, in fact they still aren't, those wet markets are still open, still doing business in exactly the same way. So yeah, it's the Chinese Virus and they probably need to pay for it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7141584/

[Deranged]

At this point, it is safe to say that we can add the name "Chinese virus" to the heaping trash fire of failed attempts of the right wing to influence American culture and the mainstream, LOL.

[FloorHump422]

So Harvey Weinstein is a terrorists?If you can't stay on topic, just quit. Did he use terror as a weapon? If so, was it systematic?

[FloorHump422]

Covid 19 came out of the wet market in Wuhan where they routinely slaughter wild and domestic animals on the same blocks which has caused several avian flu's to emerge from China. The below article is from 2006 and was published by the National Institute of Health. It's not effected by corona hype, it was literally predicting what happened last year.

To put it in another way, if you have an unfenced ground level swimming pool in your back yard and people keep drowning in it because it's unfenced at what point do you become responsible for those deaths? China was clearly aware of the hazard posed by the wet markets, in this instance they had been warned of the covid 19 threat by a doctor who was subsequently jailed and then most likely killed, they didn't prevent the mass exodus that happens every year with Chinese New Year knowing about the danger posed.

I'm a lifelong lefty so I'm not following the MAGA guy, at what point do you say, "yeah China was clearly negligent as a government and needs to pay?" I don't hate Chinese people either so this isn't racist crap, they knew about the hazard and did nothing to mitigate it, in fact they still aren't, those wet markets are still open, still doing business in exactly the same way. So yeah, it's the Chinese Virus and they probably need to pay for it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7141584/Nice to see you conveniently ignore the previous post which advocated for the virus' name to be localized. Is there any other virus which is named after a country? The "Spanish Flu" is a misnomer.

[SexyD]

The media is going crazy with the idea that all AMP workers are virtually prisoners working in sweatshop conditions. That may be true in some places but I have never seen this in NoVa. Instead I see many AMP masseuses driving Lexus, BMWs, Range Rovers, etc, Many end up buying spas or legit businesses. Before the pandemic, business was booming in Nova. AMPs allow women without legit business skills to easily make a 6 figure income. They can make as much in 1 hour as a retail or clerical worker makes in a day. I like to see the media report this reality. On the flip side, this all gets financed by the excessive fees paid by mongers for frequently subpar service by 50 year old women. For some of you, that's atleast thousands of dollars a year or more. Who is exploiting whom?

[Grafenberg]

If you can't stay on topic, just quit. Did he use terror as a weapon? If so, was it systematic?According to his victims:


Caitlin Dulany, another plaintiff in the case, didnt mince words. Harvey Weinstein terrorized and attacked women for decades. The fact that he could hurt so many women, over such a long period of time, is horrific. Its the stuff of nightmares, and we lived it. We were assaulted, terrified, coerced, and hurt by this manhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/settlement-in-weinstein-case-but-closure-elusive-for-some

[Grafenberg]

Nice to see you conveniently ignore the previous post which advocated for the virus' name to be localized. Is there any other virus which is named after a country? The "Spanish Flu" is a misnomer.


South Africa coronavirushttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-55534727


Brazil variant can reinfect virus survivorshttps://news.yahoo.com/brazil-variant-reinfect-virus-survivors-210105030.html


UK variant more deadly than other coronavirus strains: studyhttps://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/542469-uk-variant-more-deadly-than-other-coronavirus-strain-study

But please, do go on.

[Admin2]

Nice to see you conveniently ignore the previous post which advocated for the virus' name to be localized. Is there any other virus which is named after a country? The "Spanish Flu" is a misnomer.Ebola Zaire, Ebola Marburg, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Lyme Disease, lots of diseases are named after where they came from. Yes the Spanish Flu should be the Kansas Flu.

I didn't ignore anything, I don't see the forum as you do, I see it from my admin panel which doesn't show all the posts.

I see you conveniently ignored all the facts about the origination of this virus.

Have a nice weekend.

A2.

[Sexingit]

What's the point of posting recommended providers if you aren't posting their links, services and damages? It seems like a recent trend to post amazing reviews without providing the most important details; links, cost and services rendered. Reviews are useless without pertinent information.

[OrZammar]

What's the point of posting recommended providers if you aren't posting their links, services and damages? It seems like a recent trend to post amazing reviews without providing the most important details; links, cost and services rendered. Reviews are useless without pertinent information.I wouldn't call it a "recent" trend. I joined the forum summer of 2019 and it's always been like that. No rules against posting links. Phone numbers and emails yeah, but links are ok. But if you ask for a link you get the ol' "RTFF" reply and you're just like "well fuck me, I guess, cool" LOL.

[Sexingit]

I wouldn't call it a "recent" trend. I joined the forum summer of 2019 and it's always been like that. No rules against posting links. Phone numbers and emails yeah, but links are ok. But if you ask for a link you get the ol' "RTFF" reply and you're just like "well fuck me, I guess, cool" LOL.Perhaps people are avoiding details to make their post count jump? Detailed posts about services are pointless without mentioning the cost and services rendered.

[Shinshi]

Perhaps people are avoiding details to make their post count jump? Detailed posts about services are pointless without mentioning the cost and services rendered.I agree wholeheartedly about having pertinent info like costs & services--as well as the link--included in reviews. But as far as the post count, I doubt the average user really cares that.

And if they do, they're being foolish. It's not like there's a grand prize once you reach 500, or 1000, or however many posts. Granted, you're more likely to trust a senior's information who's got 1000 prior posts over a dude with 3. But to intentionally withhold information just for the chance to field more questions? That'd be plain silly.

It's more likely that they forgot to include it in their haste to post the info. I've been guilty of that a couple times myself.

[Sexingit]

I agree wholeheartedly about having pertinent info like costs & services--as well as the link--included in reviews. But as far as the post count, I doubt the average user really cares that.

And if they do, they're being foolish. It's not like there's a grand prize once you reach 500, or 1000, or however many posts. Granted, you're more likely to trust a senior's information who's got 1000 prior posts over a dude with 3. But to intentionally withhold information just for the chance to field more questions? That'd be plain silly.

It's more likely that they forgot to include it in their haste to post the info. I've been guilty of that a couple times myself.I agree that it seems foolish but what's the reasoning to exclude price, services and link? I understand if it's one person but it's consecutive posts from several different users that happen to miss vital info. I've forgotten things as well but I just edit instead of completely leaving it out.

[ItsAHobby45]

If your going to post reviews of girls put their user name or links. By not doing so your just wasting everyone's time.Agree. This seems like more of a "look at me" post than someone trying to contribute to the forum.

[HeyDuhman]

Agree. This seems like more of a "look at me" post than someone trying to contribute to the forum.I would and I think I may have in the past but it seems after posting links of the super hotties who are real everyone here goes crazy after them and they disappear or go underground. How many times have we seen that?

[Spratty711]

Agree. This seems like more of a "look at me" post than someone trying to contribute to the forum.AKA Mr Attention seeking *****.

[FogHorn1]

The purpose of this board is to share information, publicly. It's not a locker room where guys just want to hang out and brag about their exploits. Not trying to be a dick, but if you're only point of the post is to tell us all that you have a hot model wife and you bang 19-year-old spinners without giving information about who they are or links to their profile it's worthless to us all. Hope that helps for your future posts, good luck in further arrangements with those spinners.

[OrZammar]

I would and I think I may have in the past but it seems after posting links of the super hotties who are real everyone here goes crazy after them and they disappear or go underground. How many times have we seen that?Yeah, but if you were trying to keep someone a secret, you wouldn't make a post about them in the first place.

[Member #7176]

I'm fine with him bragging, if he had any relative information to share, or it was part of a discussion with another member. His post was clearly just to pat himself in the back. This site is use for us to help and share information. If he wants to post his sex stories. Do it on reddit, I've post a few stories there. His story isn't anything new. 95% of his story if real is very similar to my experience, and probably very similar to all the other members who have been on SA over a year. Minus the model wife and being a multi millionaire. I have a wife who is cute, but 10 years younger. I'm no millionaire but I'm very financially comfortable. Which most guys have to be if they have a hand fully of SBs.


Yeah, but if you were trying to keep someone a secret, you wouldn't make a post about them in the first place.

[Deranged]

It seems that much of the forum is lashing out because the fantasies weren't about a 50 dollar meth head off of EscortAlligator, LOL.

[Shinshi]

It seems that much of the forum is lashing out because the fantasies weren't about a 50 dollar meth head off of EscortAlligator, LOL.The majority's problem with HeyDuhman's post was never about his raving success on Seeking. If it's all true, good for him! The problem is his outright refusal to share links, numbers, dates, etc. Don't deny it: it was a long-winded "pat-on-the-back" with some not-so-subtle boasts about how perfect his personal life currently is.

Now he's technically entitled to do all that. Just as we're all entitled to call him out on it. By not sharing the more pertinent information, what's the point? To make himself feel good? Seriously, why post about the experience at all? And don't bullshit by saying he's respecting their privacy or doesn't want them jaded to the game, because that won't fly.

No one's saying he has to share. There's a high probability he plans on seeing them again & wants to keep them with low mileage. Cool, the majority of us prefer the same with our more quality catches too! It's standard practice to withhold those from the forum at large. However if you opt to share, it's common etiquette--a somewhat unwritten rule, so to speak--to give certain details once you've had your fill or you've decided not to visit that particular one again. The point is to not write some Penthouse fantasy novel if you're not even finished with them. There's a reason you don't see many posts like HeyDuhman's in that one subforum.

Sidenote: can't say I'm all that surprised seeing your judgmental, ignorant, pompous ass stirring things up again. At least you've finally come to the right section to do so. But is this really the position you want to defend? Really, this nonsense? You actually believe we're all fucking stupid or that we're just upset because we're not banging Jessica Alba-lookalikes for 50 bucks? Seriously, go get laid somewhere. You're still in dire need of it.

[Member #7176]

If he plans to keep the girls don't post detailed reviews with no information on the girls. No one wants to hear about his sex addiction, model wife, and his millions that he makes. Clearly here trying to show off.

If he wanted to do a reviews so you don't scare off the girls you can look at my last big review just before HeyDuhman's post. I reviewed 11 girls, that I meetup with and FC. Just gave basic information like how they look compared to pics, if the girls host, and reason why I drop them. I didn't post prices or if I got BBFS, because those can be subjective. HeyDuhman's post was very detailed on how he BBFS and what he did to the girls. That's a review that will cause a feeding frenzy from the forum members, but because he posted zero relevant information. He ended up just pissing off or annoying those of us who do use the forum to share and help each other out.

[Grafenberg]

It seems that much of the forum is lashing out because the fantasies weren't about a 50 dollar meth head off of EscortAlligator, LOL.This threads for you.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33082-Agency-Discussion-and-Reviews/page3

[HeyDuhman]

The majority's problem with HeyDuhman's post was never about his raving success on Seeking. If it's all true, good for him! The problem is his outright refusal to share links, numbers, dates, etc. Don't deny it: it was a long-winded "pat-on-the-back" with some not-so-subtle boasts about how perfect his personal life currently is.

Now he's technically entitled to do all that. Just as we're all entitled to call him out on it. By not sharing the more pertinent information, what's the point? To make himself feel good? Seriously, why post about the experience at all? And don't bullshit by saying he's respecting their privacy or doesn't want them jaded to the game, because that won't fly.

No one's saying he has to share. There's a high probability he plans on seeing them again & wants to keep them with low mileage. Cool, the majority of us prefer the same with our more quality catches too! It's standard practice to withhold those from the forum at large. However if you opt to share, it's common etiquette--a somewhat unwritten rule, so to speak--to give certain details once you've had your fill or you've decided not to visit that particular one again. The point is to not write some Penthouse fantasy novel if you're not even finished with them. There's a reason you don't see many posts like HeyDuhman's in that one subforum.

Sidenote: can't say I'm all that surprised seeing your judgmental, ignorant, pompous ass stirring things up again. At least you've finally come to the right section to do so. But is this really the position you want to defend? Really, this nonsense? You actually believe we're all fucking stupid or that we're just upset because we're not banging Jessica Alba-lookalikes for 50 bucks? Seriously, go get laid somewhere. You're still in dire need of it.Hi all. Wow, I'm so new here I didn't even know there is a stupid shit subforum under the NOVA forum with a lot of commentary about my post from a few days ago. I was super excited about the success I've been having in the couple of months on seeking.com that is why I wanted to post. Because 80% of the posts on the sugarbaby subforum are so negative. That has not been my experience at all. My thought really was to counter that point of view with my success stories.

I don't know much the written and unwritten rules of usasex guide. I will say apologies to everyone who is offended and upset about my post. BUT I do not regret posting no links. I should have just not posted any success stories at all.

[TheOuroboros]

Hi all. Wow, I'm so new here I didn't even know there is a stupid shit subforum under the NOVA forum with a lot of commentary about my post from a few days ago. I was super excited about the success I've been having in the couple of months on seeking.com that is why I wanted to post. Because 80% of the posts on the sugarbaby subforum are so negative. That has not been my experience at all. My thought really was to counter that point of view with my success stories.

I don't know much the written and unwritten rules of usasex guide. I will say apologies to everyone who is offended and upset about my post. BUT I do not regret posting no links. I should have just not posted any success stories at all.It is well within your rights not to post your success stories. The information here is free to all even those who have not made a username. They're thousands of lurkers, and I, as all of us were, once newbies to the forum as well. I spent a solid year gathering the intel on this board to use for my own devices, and due to the effort of many a monger before me, I had some pretty good dreams.

But as Isaac once said "if I have seen further it is because I have stood upon the shoulders of giants" and it was by this decree that I felt the calling to work as a dreamcatcher so that other mongers in my wake could have good dreams too. This board could not sustain this hobby without the altruism of mongers to relay their experiences. The unwritten rule you speak of is simply this. We are a network of information and if you serve your community then your community will serve you (and vice versa). That's how the wheel keeps turning after all.

Whether you wish to contribute or not is your choice. This is USA sexguides afterall, so being FREE to make that choice is the most important factor. In regards to your counterpoint to offer an opposing take on the superfluous negative reviews on the sugarbabies forum. Don't you think a simple post of "I've had different experiences than you all" would suffice? It's like if I ended this post with "my cock is 9 and 1/2 inches and after having sex with my escort she apologized and returned my money saying her service was inadequate compared to the amazing time we spent together. " That would most certainly be impressive but it's rather irrelevant and quite extraneous to the topic. I think you see my point. And unless you were inherited your wealth from your father like some other, ehem, prominent figures, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were aware of the intentions behind your post. Drawing the ire of mongers is not unfounded but nevertheless I had a good laugh.

Should you wish to tell more stories and contribute in a meaningful way in which we can all bear the fruits of your labor, you will find more friends on this site than foes. All the best.

Grip.

[Pbarber307]

It seems that much of the forum is lashing out because the fantasies weren't about a 50 dollar meth head off of EscortAlligator, LOL.Nothing to add to the conversation as usual except for officious sanctimony. Why don't you, O master monger, enforce us with your wisdom and actually post a review?

[Czech]

Nothing to add to the conversation as usual except for officious sanctimony. Why don't you, O master monger, enforce us with your wisdom and actually post a review?Actually I didn't know there is now a separate forum on agency until now.

[Sexingit]

Nothing to add to the conversation as usual except for officious sanctimony. Why don't you, O master monger, enforce us with your wisdom and actually post a review?I guess all of the condescending and judgmental posts has resulted in his ban. Good riddance honestly.

[Czech]

I guess all of the condescending and judgmental posts has resulted in his ban. Good riddance honestly.It is all respecting each other's opinion. Unfortunately, that may not be his forte (as we have seen how he talked trash when other forum members were discussing about increasing price vs. Quality of services in the DMV area). But then, who am I to judge.

[Member #7331]

Visited Sunshine last week in the early afternoon. Its a relatively new place right off business 234. Walked in and was greeted by the thin 30 something Chinese girl wearing white jeans (I always considered them ***** jeans) and a red button down shirt. Believe she said her name was Angela. The place was dead and she appeared to be the only one there. She checks my temp then leads me to a room where I ask for an hour and give her. 6. She returns, hands me a Jackson back and says a HHR is better- strange.

I finished getting undressed while she dims the lights starts a nothing massage. I'm not feeling it so after 5 min I flip myself. We agree to a NOVA for. 4 and I start roaming while she gets busy. I lift yo her shirt to get a glimpse of her natural C's but what intrigues me more is the top of a rose tat popping out of her waist line. I unsnap and unzip her jeans to find a large flower tat on a perfectly flat stomach and I tug on the panties to find a perfectly smooth cooch below that.

We started negotiating for a closer look but she starts to get shy and says mamas doesn't allow. I offer her. 8 and she agrees and makes me promise not to tell anyone. What she does next is simply amazing. She pulls her jeans down to her knees and the climbs on top with her feet above my shoulders. She then squats over me like she's taking and Asian piss and plants her pussy hard right on my face. At that point I'm penetrating her with my nose and licking the sweetest clit ever..Not one to doubt, but I spoke to both ladies today at Sunshine and both deny this happened when I asked about the rose tattoo on the stomach both took me to the room opened unzipped their pants down to their trimmed Bush and neither had a tattoo, you may ask why they did that, she said he had to prove ourselves and please pass the word around that we don't do what's being reported, we offer a massage a little tease and a nice release. So hearing that directly from them and partaking in a 4 hand hh on the house I believe what they say.

[SolomenTepaja]

I understand the instinct to want to protect Tina #2. As I said, she is a nice lady I've seen off and on for over a decade and I had never publically reviewed her. I like her a lot, and I was quite surprised to see a review of her, much less two. But that made me think the cat was already out of the bag. So I connected the dots for everyone.

In fact, the first reviewer said he hadn't seen Tina #2 in years. He was just pointing out her nationality is that of someone another monger was specifically looking for. Then FourNick8's review came through and everyone was asking about her. Meanwhile, after reading his review I was more interested in a lady offering the services of Tina #1. (I left the review of her down below to remind everyone of her services). Frankly, I'm surprised Tina #1 is not the one people here got fixated on. But what do I know?

I can give you a few more details of what to expect that may temper some of the enthusiasm for Tina #2. 1) If you want a real CMT level massage-or something even tangentially resembling a real massage-she is not a good choice. You will definitely want to look elsewhere for that. 2) Her idea of a BJ is getting close to it and literally blowing on it. That visual never did much for me, so it never resulted in a facial. 3) She is over the age of Medicare eligibility. If you're too young to know that age, look it up.

No doubt a stampede has already started. Such is the nature of these reviews.

I guess since my handle slighty changed with the use of a capital Tee, I will sign off this time as: "The Handy Man".

(You got me there, Mr. Moderator! LOL!


Ok, the cat is out of the bag so to speak. I withheld Tina's location, not for selfish reasons, but too somehow protect her. Several senior members have PM'd me and I gladly provided the information to those interested but I didn't want mongers crowding what is essentially not an AMP.

Unlike the Chinese -overstay tourist visa- learned the massage trade in Flushing -girls you usually find in AMPs, Tina is a real person with a real business, and a real family here in NOVA. She is also the nicest lady you could meet. If you see her treat her nice.


Hello my friends.

This is my 1st post, but I've been around this block for more than a minute.

I don't know anything about Tina #1, but I can solve the mystery of Tina #2. The info dates back to post 18442.

Tina #2 is a very nice lady. But you should know she is NOVA only and her nether region is more tightly guarded than Fort Knox.
Two Tina #2 tips:

1) If you don't like a baby oil scent, take your own bottle of oil or lotion to whomever you see. Problem solved.

2) Tina #2's shop is open on Sundays, but don't go see her that day. For personal reasons she cannot accommodate mongers.

I've seen her a couple of times a year over the last decade. While her massage skills are lacking, she provides a nice solomente paja.

Adios Amigos.


This week I saw two completely different Tina's. Both were mentioned in this forum in the last month. I won't give the location details but if you keep up with the forum posts you will know where they are. Both were walk-ins as I don't normally call to make appointments. After reading the reviews try to guess which one I will visit again tomorrow.

Tina #1.

Walked into the a AMP that doesn't advertise or have a posted number. Was met by Tina, I knew by the tats mentioned in a previous review. Reminds me of a high class escort a few years past her prime. Was led to a room with purple mood lighting and asked how long. I said one hour and forked over the. 6 house fee, got undressed and laid on the table. Tina returned and started an uneventful massage for about 20 min and then asked me to turn over.

On the flip she asked what I wanted and I said "everything" to which she replied $. 4 and in advance (Flashing is teaching them this advance shit). She returns, strips down, dabs some lube oil on her pussy (cherry flavor) and jerks me a little before putting a bag on. She then DTBJ me for 5 min before we go standing mish, CG, mish when she says "you want doggie?" and then doggie. I am pounding her real hard and she is taking it like a porn star. Afterwards we lay together on the table for a few minutes and then she tells she is just down from Flushing and gives me her personal phone number.

Tina #2.

Walked into her salon to find her with one Japanese customer and ask is massage available? She says in ten minutes and motions me to wait on the sofa within earshot. They are talking women shit while finishing the manicure and Tina tells her she has been here since 1990 and married to a Chinese man for 30 years. When the manicure is finished Tina leads me over to the massage room. It's a small room crowded with oils and waxing stuff with a large mirror on one wall and a plastic foot guard on the wall just below that. I ask for an hour and she tells me to undress and leaves.

Not knowing what to expect I strip and lay face down. She returned and is a little chatterbox like a schoolgirl. Starts rubbing everywhere (and I mean everywhere) my ass, balls, and knuckling my dick with the same attention given to my back and legs. After 10 minutes of this I'm rock hard and ask her "turn over now?" Tina says sure and as soon as I flip she is stroking me with oil. One hand on my shaft and the other on my balls. I've been to Siagon Hot Toc's and never had a hand job this good. For the next 45 min she stroked, teased, and edged me and all the while making girlish small talk and giggling like this is her first time. I'm just chatting to her, staring at her cute face, her body in the mirror, and the 2 ct Dimond wedding band on her ring finger around my dick. OTC was encouraged and a little titty squeeze but when I went for pussy play she said "no, I'm a married woman".

The most incredible visual was she would bend over and place her face an inch over you dick and blow. The forth or fifth time she did this I blew my load with most of it landed on her face. She didn't stop the soft stroking and this was the most intense cumshot I remember having ever. She giggling some more and cleaned me up. Total damage. 6 for massage and. 4 for tip.

[PSmith0380]

Not one to doubt, but I spoke to both ladies today at Sunshine and both deny this happened when I asked about the rose tattoo on the stomach both took me to the room opened unzipped their pants down to their trimmed Bush and neither had a tattoo, you may ask why they did that, she said he had to prove ourselves and please pass the word around that we don't do what's being reported, we offer a massage a little tease and a nice release. So hearing that directly from them and partaking in a 4 hand hh on the house I believe what they say.Well that solves that and confirms my doubts on the post.

[FourNick8]

Well that solves that and confirms my doubts on the post.This is what a fellow monger has to day "I stopped by yesterday and asked for Angela. I was presented with a lady definitely not in her 30's so I asked if there was a girl with a rose tattoo. They said the owner got rid of her. ".

Of course the current girls are going to protect the AMP's reputation after this girl was fired for being too friendly.

[Ernest Ll]

https://www.seeking.com/member/96af340c-b91c-4258-bd4c-bc203bcf14ef

Talked to this one because, hey, she was young enough and cute enough, and we agreed to some initial ground rules, but then she had to be That Girl. I basically just said I had things to figure out, so I wasn't interested in someone asking for an allowance, and apparently that bugged her. Despite saying she was fine with PPM! She told me so long, good luck because of my minor concerns, so I said, "If you say so, your loss. " She came back with, "See, that's what I mean, you seem immature" - really? From someone half my age? It'd be hilarious if it weren't sad. Life is going to kick the shit out of her at some point when she realizes a big chunk of being a functioning adult is living with doubts and uncertainty. At least I give voice to them and confront them instead of pretending they don't exist. Now that is immature. Ugh. So, forewarned is forearmed for the rest of you.Any guy who tells a woman -- in any venue -- "your loss" when they reject them is a grade A asshole and incredibly immature. It ranks only slightly above "Takes one to know one" and "I know I am, but what are you?

[FloorHump422]

Any guy who tells a woman -- in any venue -- "your loss" when they reject them is a grade A asshole and incredibly immature. It ranks only slightly above "Takes one to know one" and "I know I am, but what are you?Agreed. The OP is basically upset that she called him out on being cheap. If it's out of your price range, move on. No need to devolve into emotional arguments. The sad thing is that he thought he was the adult in that interaction.

[Grafenberg]

Any guy who tells a woman -- in any venue -- "your loss" when they reject them is a grade A asshole and incredibly immature. It ranks only slightly above "Takes one to know one" and "I know I am, but what are you?A person believing in absolutes is immature. Most mongers think paying for a MG or any online activities is being a simp, but maybe that guy gets off on it.

[Member #7176]

Posted in the sugar thread with no name or link. Another pointless post just to say look at me.


So, last evening I was with this chick and after one round of oral in all combinations 69 etc. I go for round 2 15 to 20 minutes later and she is riding me nicely. Actually, fucking me from top. After about 15 minutes of that, we attempt to change positions and notice that her period had started. Copious amounts of blood. She asked if I wanted to continue as she was ok with it. I was game. So, on we went. First doggy and then standing mish. Big mistake. Blood started to spread and I couldn't stand the smell and it was not helping. So, I tapped out and asked for BJ finish.

Of course, I tried get her to agree to anal at first. But she didn't bite. She might have agreed if I had said that I was uncomfortable with vaginal sex at that point. But, I wasn't sure. And was horny enough to bang regardless.

So, I guess I narrowly missed having her start bleeding into my mouth!! Redeeming aspect of the entire episode was that she has good head game and she swallows.

[BigPoppa2308]

Unless this dude looks like Brad Pitt I find it incredibly hard to believe all of the girls he has seen at these PV agencies are doing bare services on first visits. And looking at the reviews of some of them, especially at DT, the picture he paints is not accurate at all. Be wary of these reports fellas before you start blowing up the agency phones for inaccurate reports.


Jessie isn't very skinny though. She's average weight with a nice ass. Plus with shapely thighs and calves. Looks like you going by the current inaccurate website photos they are using to maybe draw in a different audience, LOL. Unless she became very skinny in the last month since I seen her. That's false. And I've seen her a lot of times.

Seems like your dump is tweaks of other encounters and looking at website photos just to sneak out Intel's about other girls or fish for info.

I'm doubting you seen most of the girls you dumped.

[BlurryVision28]

Unless this dude looks like Brad Pitt I find it incredibly hard to believe all of the girls he has seen at these PV agencies are doing bare services on first visits. And looking at the reviews of some of them, especially at DT, the picture he paints is not accurate at all. Be wary of these reports fellas before you start blowing up the agency phones for inaccurate reports.Jessie is prolly 5'2 max and less than 115 lbs. She's very petite. Doesn't show like she will make a good connection right away, but she's pretty submissive.

I have no reason to lie, yes I look fairly attractive and work out. I'm telling you, when I do get BBFS, none of my engagements seem transactional. And they are making out with me early, middle and after.

The whole process is an art, my first time I struck out with Ellie at DT. Next time struck gold with Luna and Alana. I'll be honest, if the girl is ever feeling you as much (or more) as you're feeling them. You're in for a good time.

Your best chance of success is by maximizing the chemistry you can build from when they open the door and let you in, to before the action starts. I'm not giving you my play sheet. Look your best, act your best and treat them your best. That's all I say brother.

[BlurryVision28]

Unless this dude looks like Brad Pitt I find it incredibly hard to believe all of the girls he has seen at these PV agencies are doing bare services on first visits. And looking at the reviews of some of them, especially at DT, the picture he paints is not accurate at all. Be wary of these reports fellas before you start blowing up the agency phones for inaccurate reports.Don't even listen to the guy above, PM me if you have any questions. I've been mongering for a while and even I am surprised the recent string of luck I've had. I got a few of their IG names and we follow each other.

I also have seen about every single current and former Girl from.

BG. That info dump will be coming soon too. Tho can never get a hold of them last month or so.

[BlurryVision28]

Unless this dude looks like Brad Pitt I find it incredibly hard to believe all of the girls he has seen at these PV agencies are doing bare services on first visits. And looking at the reviews of some of them, especially at DT, the picture he paints is not accurate at all. Be wary of these reports fellas before you start blowing up the agency phones for inaccurate reports.This is like when I used to work out a lot, any everyone said I HAD to be on steroids. I take it as a compliment, listen. In my 15+ years of mongering, I've had more combined BBFS in the last 2 months than I had all those years. Don't know why or how, I do get told I look attractive all the time. I've been a long time lurker in this site and I wanted to give back information to the people. Whether you want to use it or not, is not up to me. Don't let what someone else did trigger an insecurity and make false accusations.

[Squatty2]

Unless this dude looks like Brad Pitt I find it incredibly hard to believe all of the girls he has seen at these PV agencies are doing bare services on first visits. And looking at the reviews of some of them, especially at DT, the picture he paints is not accurate at all. Be wary of these reports fellas before you start blowing up the agency phones for inaccurate reports.Dude. Believe it. And often it doesn't take an extra tip. I guess a lotvof guys who visit them are overweight, and / or old, or socially awkward. Ie, people who have to pay for it.

When someone who they could / would date in real life comes through the door, and is paying them, it's an extra thrill. And it becomes less like "work".

[BlurryVision28]

Dude. Believe it. And often it doesn't take an extra tip. I guess a lotvof guys who visit them are overweight, and / or old, or socially awkward. Ie, people who have to pay for it.

When someone who they could / would date in real life comes through the door, and is paying them, it's an extra thrill. And it becomes less like "work".This is 100% true. This is so true. From what they have told me, most of their clients are old, over weight, bad hygiene, or are just unattractive or give off weird vibes. And no offense to anyone who may fall into any of those categories, but when someone who looks like someone they would date. You can be the best part of their day and now their work is not as mentally taxing because they are enjoying more of their work now. And it could be the most refreshing part of their day.

[Sheck Wes]

This is 100% true. This is so true. From what they have told me, most of their clients are old, over weight, bad hygiene, or are just unattractive or give off weird vibes. And no offense to anyone who may fall into any of those categories, but when someone who looks like someone they would date. You can be the best part of their day and now their work is not as mentally taxing because they are enjoying more of their work now. And it could be the most refreshing part of their day.Agreed, these girls have complained a lot to me about how old, boring, gross, creepy, openly dishonest (cheating on spouse), etc. Most of the guys they see day to day are. They are usually exhausted of having to fake it to entertain those kinds of guys all day and are usually ecstatic when attractive relatable guys roll around. Trust me, these girls do not usually find it hot when some old man admits to them that they are cheating on someone they shared vows with and are raising children with.

In such a cesspool of clientele, it's not hard to stand out when you're young, in shape, and charismatic. And with standing out comes much special treatment. I have had many unique experiences with many of these women, both younger and older, that aren't advertised or directly contradict documented reports. Often, they tell me directly that we are doing things they don't do with anyone else while they're working. A huge part of it, as has been said, is chemistry and showing these women that you value them as strong, interesting, and promising women. Truthfully, when these kinds of good connections happen, the interactions transcend typical client-provider relationships. I also have exchanged Instagrams with many, have had multiple girls literally jump up and down in happiness and relief when they see me return. Most of their clientele don't value them one bit and treat them like meat as hookers, so they are ecstatic when a regular person who happens to be attractive rolls around.

This is just a life lesson in general. You will only be treated as well as you treat others. Treat someone like meat, and they will treat you back like meat. After all is said and done, everyone is just a human with real feelings motivating all actions. Play the right cards, and your money can take you much farther than you could have imagined.

[Cruisin1011]

Agreed, these girls have complained a lot to me about how old, boring, gross, creepy, openly dishonest (cheating on spouse), etc. Most of the guys they see day to day are. They are usually exhausted of having to fake it to entertain those kinds of guys all day and are usually ecstatic when attractive relatable guys roll around. Trust me, these girls do not usually find it hot when some old man admits to them that they are cheating on someone they shared vows with and are raising children with.

In such a cesspool of clientele, it's not hard to stand out when you're young, in shape, and charismatic. And with standing out comes much special treatment. I have had many unique experiences with many of these women, both younger and older, that aren't advertised or directly contradict documented reports. Often, they tell me directly that we are doing things they don't do with anyone else while they're working. A huge part of it, as has been said, is chemistry and showing these women that you value them as strong, interesting, and promising women. Truthfully, when these kinds of good connections happen, the interactions transcend typical client-provider relationships. I also have exchanged Instagrams with many, have had multiple girls literally jump up and down in happiness and relief when they see me return. Most of their clientele don't value them one bit and treat them like meat as hookers, so they are ecstatic when a regular person who happens to be attractive rolls around.

This is just a life lesson in general. You will only be treated as well as you treat others. Treat someone like meat, and they will treat you back like meat. After all is said and done, everyone is just a human with real feelings motivating all actions. Play the right cards, and your money can take you much farther than you could have imagined.This the funniest post I have read in a while. You are either completely naive to the world of pay for play or giving some moralistic sermon on why others participate in this lifestyle.

You start out shit talking others then prop your self up to captain save a hoe role. Do the woman dance around you throwing flowers and cheering your arrival each time? Or do they give you your money back and say, 'thanks stud'.

You then transition into let's all be nice to each other.

Just curious, do you believe them when they say your the best client the ever had? Or they only do it with you? Or you are the only one who gets their personal info?

You do this life style long enough every one has a unique experience and they will tell you what you want to her to keep you coming back.

But seeing as this looks like, your first post I would take this with a huge grain of salt.

But I do agree play nice with the ladies.

[Pbarber307]

I also...have had multiple girls literally jump up and down in happiness and relief when they see me return. Cool story, bro.

[Member #7176]

He might be into that type of girl. If he wants to spend his money on her more power to him. She a great example why I switch to Sugaring. That white whale would have to pay me to hit that.


This is what providers like this getting in Nova for hh all cover $$. No wonder they still thrive in the DMV.

[Metloaf]

He might be into that type of girl. If he wants to spend his money on her more power to him. She a great example why I switch to Sugaring. That white whale would have to pay me to hit that.Bottom line were moving in the wrong direction on providers like you say, on a average weekend in their home town fucking for beers. Just saying she got him but he is happy apparently. So one for the provider.

[Pbarber307]

Bottom line were moving in the wrong direction on providers like you say, on a average weekend in their home town fucking for beers. Just saying she got him but he is happy apparently. So one for the provider.
If he wants to spend his money on her more power to him. She a great example why I switch to Sugaring. That white whale would have to pay me to hit that.Didn't know we were keeping score for the providers. I thought we got rid of one "Deranged" popping off condescending, judgmental comments. Certainly doesn't encourage others to post reports.

[SamTam]

I'm curious, any tips or advice for setting up a SA profile? Like, anything you would say is a must to add in your profile?1. Be respectful (even if you don't mean it). Many of these women aren't pros, and expect to be treated with what they consider to be "respect. " You'll hear that (for example) "$200 for a meetup makes me feel like a hoe. I have more respect than that!

2. There's lots of fakes. You're used to that. But also a number that get cold feet. So patience is the key. And lots of talking about general things.

3. NEVER talk money in the SA messaging app. The messages are monitored, and you will be immediately banned if caught.

4. Except for the pros, most of these women want to be treated as princesses and want long term relationships, not one and dones. Treat them well, don't be an ass, and you'll be rewarded.

[Member #6465]

1. Be respectful (even if you don't mean it). Many of these women aren't pros, and expect to be treated with what they consider to be "respect. " You'll hear that (for example) "$200 for a meetup makes me feel like a hoe. I have more respect than that!

2. There's lots of fakes. You're used to that. But also a number that get cold feet. So patience is the key. And lots of talking about general things.

3. NEVER talk money in the SA messaging app. The messages are monitored, and you will be immediately banned if caught.

4. Except for the pros, most of these women want to be treated as princesses and want long term relationships, not one and dones. Treat them well, don't be an ass, and you'll be rewarded.Please move this discussion off this board It has absolutely nothing to do with escorts and Specifically everything to do it with the kind of topics covered on the sugarboard. Unlike escorts sugar babies don't always understand we are paying them to leave.

[FairFight]

As a guy in shape and young, with hygiene. These girls will say you're actually cute or where is your gf but let's be real if they really meant what they say, they wouldn't take your money. At the end of the day you're paying the same amount for the experience that those old, crusty, awkward dudes pay.

You're nothing special.

[TheDrowned]

As a guy in shape and young, with hygiene. These girls will say you're actually cute or where is your gf but let's be real if they really meant what they say, they wouldn't take your money. At the end of the day you're paying the same amount for the experience that those old, crusty, awkward dudes pay.

You're nothing special.I always get a chuckle when someone puts in the review "well I'm a good looking guy so".

Until I see it followed up with a "and then she gave me my money back".


She’s putting out ONLY for you ……and the 16 guys she saw earlier in the day too.

That bit of detail is entirely irrelevant, money always talks.

[DikMaster]

If you are a female living in Alexandria, Lorton, Woodbridge, Springfield or Arlington and you are interested in dating and partying contact me.

[Member #6465]

The price increases at MP have skyrocketed and I blame mongers for letting it happen. Checked the site and Mariko is back. Not issues with her at all. I saw her back in May or June she was great and pretty cute in a GND kind of way. Back then she was 1. 6 hh now she is 2. 4! And let me tell you it is not like the service could have changed to much. She was a very open accommodating provider when I saw her last. BBJ, rim, Cim etc.. Dudes in NOVA seem to have money to burn and the agencies got wise. Any way I am priced out at this point. There are better deals elsewhere and I ain't paying more for the same provider and service just because dudes spoiled the market. I know about inflation. But this is like a 40% increase in 7 months.

[LuckyLuciano00]

The price increases at MP have skyrocketed and I blame mongers for letting it happen. Checked the site and Mariko is back. Not issues with her at all. I saw her back in May or June she was great and pretty cute in a GND kind of way. Back then she was 1. 6 hh now she is 2. 4! And let me tell you it is not like the service could have changed to much. She was a very open accommodating provider when I saw her last. BBJ, rim, Cim etc.. Dudes in NOVA seem to have money to burn and the agencies got wise. Any way I am priced out at this point. There are better deals elsewhere and I ain't paying more for the same provider and service just because dudes spoiled the market. I know about inflation. But this is like a 40% increase in 7 months.I feel you. Our rich monger comrades are ruining it for those of us with more modest means. MP is going to go the way of Elite and start charging 330 for half hour. It sucks but there's nothing we can do about it as long as these guys keep forking over the cash.

[Sheck Wes]

I feel you. Our rich monger comrades are ruining it for those of us with more modest means. MP is going to go the way of Elite and start charging 330 for half hour. It sucks but there's nothing we can do about it as long as these guys keep forking over the cash.You being too broke to afford hookers is truly nobody's problem but your own. I could understand your argument if it was about food or shelter, but we are talking about hookers LOL. Your feelings are impotent and unproductive and will only serve to make you feel increasingly negative about a worsening situation.

[LuckyLuciano00]

You being too broke to afford hookers is truly nobody's problem but your own. I could understand your argument if it was about food or shelter, but we are talking about hookers LOL. Your feelings are impotent and unproductive and will only serve to make you feel increasingly negative about a worsening situation.Oh this is rich. This prick accuses me of whining yet that's all he's done in his 9 posts, LOL. He's contributed absolutely NOTHING.

[Pbarber307]

Oh this is rich. This prick accuses me of whining yet that's all he's done in his 9 posts, LOL. He's contributed absolutely NOTHING.Well, he did contribute this smidgen of hilarity.

"Originally Posted by SheckWes I also. Have had multiple girls literally jump up and down in happiness and relief when they see me return."

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?30737-Stupid-Shit-in-NoVa

[VaughnBraun]

Any Annandale providers? FS at good price.Why don't you read the effin' forum? Do your homework, make a decision, experience what is out there, and then contribute to this body of knowledge.


Good Luck.

Vaughn sends.

[UVAHooCru99]

Why don't you read the effin' forum? Do your homework, make a decision, experience what is out there, and then contribute to this body of knowledge..LOL 30 posts and really laying down the law. You tell them big guy LOL.

[JustALoner]

So I'm obviously new to forum and haven't lurked that long either. Dumb question: what is a "standard nova" in regards to the massage places?

[Serpico99]

So I'm obviously new to forum and haven't lurked that long either. Dumb question: what is a "standard nova" in regards to the massage places?Just a handjob. It's a legacy phrase because before the pandemic hit, the majority of places in northern VA was just handjob. Anything above that was a bonus. If you wanted FS, everyone knew to travel to PG County in Maryland. DC used to have FS places but given the crackdown almost a decade ago, it's been HJ at best.

Fast forward to today, it seems the northern VA places are doing FS (more so Korean than Chinese) almost as a regular routine to make up for the pandemic economic effects.

[Barkeater]

That is what I always thought too, although I have heard elsewhere it also can mean No Oral or VAginal sex. Which isn't a regional term. Either way it amounts to the same.


Just a handjob. It's a legacy phrase because before the pandemic hit, the majority of places in northern VA was just handjob. Anything above that was a bonus. If you wanted FS, everyone knew to travel to PG County in Maryland. DC used to have FS places but given the crackdown almost a decade ago, it's been HJ at best.

Fast forward to today, it seems the northern VA places are doing FS (more so Korean than Chinese) almost as a regular routine to make up for the pandemic economic effects.

[Itfcd]

I know we're not supposed to discuss certain other websites, whose letters appear in order in the word "other", but I just went there and things were. WEIRD.

I think someone hacked their message boards, because every time I floated over a link, some little bit of "artwork", if you can call it that, popped up that said "Fool" with some other unsavory nonsense included. Suffice to say, if you've visited today or all that recently, update your anti-virus and do a scan, just to be safe. Bitdefender didn't flag anything when it happened, but I'm running a full scan regardless. Not sure where the best place overall was to put this, but this is as close to local for me as it gets, so...feel free to spread the word.

[AdcFellow]

Looks like the morality police is cranking up in VA:

https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/04/va-could-require-training-for-hotel-workers-to-spot-human-trafficking/

[MadeYoulLook29]

Looks like the morality police is cranking up in VA:

https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/04/va-could-require-training-for-hotel-workers-to-spot-human-trafficking/This is what happens when folks vote against their own interests. You get shyt like this.

[Grafenberg]

This is what happens when folks vote against their own interests. You get shyt like this.What does that even mean?

[Grafenberg]

This is what happens when folks vote against their own interests. You get shyt like this.Women voting against sex work is voting for their self interest. It makes their vaginas more valuable.

[PilotAviator]

That is what I always thought too, although I have heard elsewhere it also can mean No Oral or VAginal sex. Which isn't a regional term. Either way it amounts to the same.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPO8PqHGWFU .

[MadeYoulLook29]

What does that even mean?Dems have discussed making sex work legal. While Republicans demonize the idea of this. This is a far right guy we have in there thats going to make life harder on us mongers. Remember that next time you vote.

[MadeYoulLook29]

Women voting against sex work is voting for their self interest. It makes their vaginas more valuable.I highly doubt sex workers vote. Sex work and criminalizing it has ALWAYS been a republican agenda.

Besides these same laws crack down on them and place them right in jail with the monger.. How is that voting their interest when they're out here ducking and dodging too..

[FairFight]

Sex workers not voting and they are minority anyways. With it being illegal, price of pussy keeps rising because of "risk".


I highly doubt sex workers vote. Sex work and criminalizing it has ALWAYS been a republican agenda.

Besides these same laws crack down on them and place them right in jail with the monger.. How is that voting their interest when they're out here ducking and dodging too..

[Tom McAn]

Looks like the morality police is cranking up in VA:

https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/04/va-could-require-training-for-hotel-workers-to-spot-human-trafficking/First of all, the governor has yet to sign or veto the bill. The bill passed both houses of the General Assembly as amended and with strong bipartisan majorities: 96-0 in the House, 36-4 in the Senate. I suspect any veto would be overridden.

I'm OK with the government cracking down on actual human trafficking. I've got no desire to see providers who are in the business against their will. Pimps and traffickers don't belong on the streets. What bothers me is when do-gooders slap the "human trafficking" label on consenting adults activities simply because an exchange of money is involved. That, my friends, is none of their business.

[MadeYoulLook29]

First of all, the governor has yet to sign or veto the bill. The bill passed both houses of the General Assembly as amended and with strong bipartisan majorities: 96-0 in the House, 36-4 in the Senate. I suspect any veto would be overridden.

I'm OK with the government cracking down on actual human trafficking. I've got no desire to see providers who are in the business against their will. Pimps and traffickers don't belong on the streets. What bothers me is when do-gooders slap the "human trafficking" label on consenting adults activities simply because an exchange of money is involved. That, my friends, is none of their business.And therein lies the problem. They're making it ALL their business and sex trafficking is the new fancy bow they're putting on it. Sex trafficking has become a catch all. And is a buzz word use to brow beat politicians and voters alike to keep sex work criminalized in this country. And also to create all kinds of new laws to crack down on it.. It reminds me of the war on drugs actually.. mainly trying to insure prisons stay neatly stocked.. I'm sure ACS / LCS would qualify as sex trafficking. I've known guys that have hosted GB events where money was involved and they went down under sex trafficking. Where all the girls were of legal age just trying to make ends meet on the side.

[Bunker Buster]

I highly doubt sex workers vote. Sex work and criminalizing it has ALWAYS been a republican agenda.
The bill's sponsor is a Democrat. Just a reminder that Eliot Spitzer ("Client 9") was prosecuting escort services while also patronizing them.

[MadeYoulLook29]

The bill's sponsor is a Democrat. Just a reminder that Eliot Spitzer ("Client 9") was prosecuting escort services while also patronizing them.Very true. Wise men have said Dem and Republicans are different sides of the same coin. My overall point is Republicans laid the foundation for being the law and order party. And have brow beat Dems on this as well. To the point Dems that talk of legalizing sex work actually get demonized and branded as uber liberal or Socialist. For wanting to do things that actually help real people.

[Pbarber307]

I guess this request can be posted to this thread. My porn / mongering computer is rather sluggish and needs a good scrubbing. Can anyone recommend a good debugging program I can d / l or purchase. Thanks in advance.

PB.

[Member #6915]

I guess this request can be posted to this thread. My porn / mongering computer is rather sluggish and needs a good scrubbing. Can anyone recommend a good debugging program I can d / l or purchase. Thanks in advance..You need to get rid of the garbage that's on the computer. There are two types of installation. You can save all of your documentation and ask the computer to delete the apps and reinstall the operating system. The last option would be to make the operating system just like it came out of the box and erase everything. How would you fix the registry? Reinstall the operating system.

[Barkeater]

If its a windows PC its probably easier to back up whatever you need to and reset the computer. But Malware Bytes can be downloaded and ran for free. Ignore all the offers to buy it.


I guess this request can be posted to this thread. My porn / mongering computer is rather sluggish and needs a good scrubbing. Can anyone recommend a good debugging program I can d / l or purchase. Thanks in advance.

PB.

[Max #01]

I guess this request can be posted to this thread. My porn / mongering computer is rather sluggish and needs a good scrubbing. Can anyone recommend a good debugging program I can d / l or purchase. Thanks in advance.

PB.You might just be loaded down with lots of temporary files and registry dead ends. Download the free version of CCleaner. Do the custom cleaner for the temporary files and do the "registry" to clean out the dead ends. If you've never used CCleaner, you might be surprised how well your PC runs after a good cleaning. I run mine about every two weeks. It's certainly a simple first step before you start messing with your operating system.

[Tom McAn]

I guess this request can be posted to this thread. My porn / mongering computer is rather sluggish and needs a good scrubbing. Can anyone recommend a good debugging program I can d / l or purchase. Thanks in advance.

PB.I use both McAfee and Malwarebytes on my computer and get good results. As far as sluggishness and debugging, you might want to look into getting another computer if your current one is more than 3 or 4 years old. Saving some of your files to a flash drive will also help.

[Creeping]

Wondered why dudes write a report about a lovely lady and ruin it by allegedly bragging about their shit? With nothing but dudes in here why post that crap? Personally I don't care to read about ya baby stick, that's all I'm saying.

Creepin.

[TheDrowned]

Wondered why dudes write a report about a lovely lady and ruin it by allegedly bragging about their shit? With nothing but dudes in here why post that crap? Personally I don't care to read about ya baby stick, that's all I'm saying.

Creepin.Providers regularly read the board (I got ousted by one provider in my last review and she wasn't very happy with my story) and there's at least one reviewer here who is female.

That being said, yeah, seems like a weird flex to mention dick size, I thought after all it was the motion of the ocean that mattered?

[StVille]

Wondered why dudes write a report about a lovely lady and ruin it by allegedly bragging about their shit? With nothing but dudes in here why post that crap? Personally I don't care to read about ya baby stick, that's all I'm saying.

Creepin.It can be useful to know a provider isn't willing / able to accommodate large packages. But otherwise not useful. Some people need to tell a story, but I'm not one of those people.

[Member #7074]

Providers regularly read the board (I got ousted by one provider in my last review and she wasn't very happy with my story) and there's at least one reviewer here who is female.

That being said, yeah, seems like a weird flex to mention dick size, I thought after all it was the motion of the ocean that mattered?There are 100% providers on this site. Not only do they read reviews but they post reviews acting like normal people. I posted a bad review of a provider a week ago and that provider found out who I was and blew up my phone until I removed my post. Shit is creepy.

[GAGuy2020]

You can do reviews just change little details and leave out the small things that made you stand out. You can say you did this position and that position but don't share that you went out for ice cream for example because then she's going to know that's you and she probably doesn't do that with everybody.

You change things like what time or what day you saw her because most of these girls are busy enough they can't figure out who it is at that point. You can still give a detailed review without giving out the details that identify you.


There are 100% providers on this site. Not only do they read reviews but they post reviews acting like normal people. I posted a bad review of a provider a week ago and that provider found out who I was and blew up my phone until I removed my post. Shit is creepy.

[GAGuy2020]

Got to love how telling fools, "Don't over pay" is viewed as complaining by them. Is saying "Don't go in raw" complaining too? How about "looking both ways when crossing the street"? "Don't do idiot actions" or good tips is not complaining. LOL!

The same fools were calling it "complaining" when we started the "stop deposits" campaign down south and you know what... Paying deposits is almost eliminated. It's not even work or that organized it's just you stop paying deposits, they stop asking.

The girls are going to ask for the largest amount they can get somebody to pay and if the community sets a fair value counter prices and stops over paying, they do go down. Don't low ball or be cheap but if your favorite girl is charging $600 and some hot Japanese or Brazilian model group of girls comes in charging $400. The price of P is now $400 not $600. You can pay more and not care but that doesn't change reality. You don't get better service or more quality by overpaying.

A foolish girl asking for too much money is not capitalism. That's like an idiot on eBay trying to sell a $5 item for $50. The capitalism kicks in when nobody buys it and then the price drops to something reasonable. Let's stop telling people to shut up about fair pricing because if you don't care, don't comment.

[Hum115]

It's really telling when a guy writes a huge novel, but doesn't actually say anything new, uses the same argument points, and can't even use a different insult. It's just fool this fool that.

Edit: dont care dont comment? That can be turned around and said if all you're going to do is post the same type of post that’s been posted over and over and over and over again, don’t post. Broken record over here.

[Derilious89]

Got to love how telling fools, "Don't over pay" is viewed as complaining by them. Is saying "Don't go in raw" complaining too? How about "looking both ways when crossing the street"? "Don't do idiot actions" or good tips is not complaining. LOL!

The same fools were calling it "complaining" when we started the "stop deposits" campaign down south and you know what... Paying deposits is almost eliminated. It's not even work or that organized it's just you stop paying deposits, they stop asking.

The girls are going to ask for the largest amount they can get somebody to pay and if the community sets a fair value counter prices and stops over paying, they do go down. Don't low ball or be cheap but if your favorite girl is charging $600 and some hot Japanese or Brazilian model group of girls comes in charging $400. The price of P is now $400 not $600. You can pay more and not care but that doesn't change reality. You don't get better service or more quality by overpaying.

A foolish girl asking for too much money is not capitalism. That's like an idiot on eBay trying to sell a $5 item for $50. The capitalism kicks in when nobody buys it and then the price drops to something reasonable. Let's stop telling people to shut up about fair pricing because if you don't care, don't comment.You keep bringing up the Brazilian / Japanese thing but you overlook the basic assertion; they are literally illegal aliens doing an illegal act. Many of them don't speak the language and have no ability to request the prices they would think are fair. Hell, there is literally a new Japanese agency (founded by a Japanese SW) that is getting dog-piled by people on the board because they increased prices to what they felt was fair. The only reason that agency exists is because the girls felt they were getting cheated and they were being overworked.

Just because you are taking advantage of arbitrage mechanics to keep your prices low (Brazilian women come here to get paid more so they can go back to Brazil and live on what they make here), doesn't mean that there isn't a more realistic price that the market will move towards as the SW determines her own value and as the customer decides whether the price increase / decrease is alright. For most people here (including myself), the extra 50-100 bucks may not be meaningful enough to challenge the market which is why I said that we have a ton of highly paid individuals here.

Congrats on finding a Chinese SB that gives it to you cheap, you have learned an early rule of market economics; develop a relationship (buy consistently) and earn their trust (always pay) and you can renegotiate terms with each other. Many people can also it get for "free" by getting a girlfried or hitting up Tinder. This can happen sometimes with agencies if you are a good enough customer but it's less likely because they are high volume providers and one person is usually not a big dent on their finances (you can't renegotiate terms at MCDonalds either). I'm sympathetic to your pain of getting priced out of a market and feeling that squeeze (I grew up very poor and thinking about spending 500 for an hour would have been outrageous), but creating some sort of John's Union to take back power is highly unlikely; the men are engaging in an illegal act, are trying not to cause problems, and don't want publicity. Unfortunately, this change has be done at another level to make the changes you want.

[Hum115]

You keep bringing up the Brazilian / Japanese thing but you overlook the basic assertion; they are literally illegal aliens doing an illegal act. Many of them don't speak the language and have no ability to request the prices they would think are fair. Hell, there is literally a new Japanese agency (founded by a Japanese SW) that is getting dog-piled by people on the board because they increased prices to what they felt was fair. The only reason that agency exists is because the girls felt they were getting cheated and they were being overworked.

Just because you are taking advantage of arbitrage mechanics to keep your prices low (Brazilian women come here to get paid more so they can go back to Brazil and live on what they make here), doesn't mean that there isn't a more realistic price that the market will move towards as the SW determines her own value and as the customer decides whether the price increase / decrease is alright. For most people here (including myself), the extra 50-100 bucks may not be meaningful enough to challenge the market which is why I said that we have a ton of highly paid individuals here.

Congrats on finding a Chinese SB that gives it to you cheap, you have learned an early rule of market economics; develop a relationship (buy consistently) and earn their trust (always pay) and you can renegotiate terms with each other. Many people can also it get for "free" by getting a girlfried or hitting up Tinder. This can happen sometimes with agencies if you are a good enough customer but it's less likely because they are high volume providers and one person is usually not a big dent on their finances (you can't renegotiate terms at MCDonalds either). I'm sympathetic to your pain of getting priced out of a market and feeling that squeeze (I grew up very poor and thinking about spending 500 for an hour would have been outrageous), but creating some sort of John's Union to take back power is highly unlikely; the men are engaging in an illegal act, are trying not to cause problems, and don't want publicity. Unfortunately, this change has be done at another level to make the changes you want.Well said, couldn't have it any better, but damn that was a long read hahaha. I bet the guy will double down on his arguments, though.

[Hurtu]

You keep bringing up the Brazilian / Japanese thing but you overlook the basic assertion; they are literally illegal aliens doing an illegal act. Many of them don't speak the language and have no ability to request the prices they would think are fair. Hell, there is literally a new Japanese agency (founded by a Japanese SW) that is getting dog-piled by people on the board because they increased prices to what they felt was fair. The only reason that agency exists is because the girls felt they were getting cheated and they were being overworked.

Just because you are taking advantage of arbitrage mechanics to keep your prices low (Brazilian women come here to get paid more so they can go back to Brazil and live on what they make here), doesn't mean that there isn't a more realistic price that the market will move towards as the SW determines her own value and as the customer decides whether the price increase / decrease is alright. For most people here (including myself), the extra 50-100 bucks may not be meaningful enough to challenge the market which is why I said that we have a ton of highly paid individuals here.Gentlemen, both of you have valid points. My advice to those who have challenges with the current market price by some ladies is to then simply shop around or travel.

To be fair to the ladies, prices for literally everything have gone up with inflation. Been to the grocery store lately or purchased gas? Rent in the area is absolutely absurd so consider how much the ladies or agency has to spend extra as well. The idea of driving down price by not using the service in theory might work, or it might force that service to leave our area. Does anyone want that to happen? There are always other less costly options.

For me personally, as an older individual who does not require the service as often, I have found it more cost effective to travel every couple months instead to different countries. Hong Kong Club in Tijuana, Blue Marlin in Costa Rica has reopened, Church Tower in Cartagena, etc. Everyone has their own financial situation to consider, including the providers.

No one should be making negative comments about how others spend their funds or if someone can't afford the same services. This forum should be for information on services. Can we now focus on more reviews instead of these types of back and forth?

[Worl Hopk]

Isn't this why "Stupid Shit" was created--to get rid of ranting and philosophizing so that we can focus on the escorts?


Gentlemen, both of you have valid points. My advice to those who have challenges with the current market price by some ladies is to then simply shop around or travel.

To be fair to the ladies, prices for literally everything have gone up with inflation. Been to the grocery store lately or purchased gas? Rent in the area is absolutely absurd so consider how much the ladies or agency has to spend extra as well. The idea of driving down price by not using the service in theory might work, or it might force that service to leave our area. Does anyone want that to happen? There are always other less costly options.

For me personally, as an older individual who does not require the service as often, I have found it more cost effective to travel every couple months instead to different countries. Hong Kong Club in Tijuana, Blue Marlin in Costa Rica has reopened, Church Tower in Cartagena, etc. Everyone has their own financial situation to consider, including the providers.

No one should be making negative comments about how others spend their funds or if someone can't afford the same services. This forum should be for information on services. Can we now focus on more reviews instead of these types of back and forth?

[AlmostRetired]

You keep bringing up the Brazilian / Japanese thing but you overlook the basic assertion; they are literally illegal aliens doing an illegal act. Many of them don't speak the language and have no ability to request the prices they would think are fair. Hell, there is literally a new Japanese agency (founded by a Japanese SW) that is getting dog-piled by people on the board because they increased prices to what they felt was fair. The only reason that agency exists is because the girls felt they were getting cheated and they were being overworked.

Just because you are taking advantage of arbitrage mechanics to keep your prices low (Brazilian women come here to get paid more so they can go back to Brazil and live on what they make here), doesn't mean that there isn't a more realistic price that the market will move towards as the SW determines her own value and as the customer decides whether the price increase / decrease is alright. For most people here (including myself), the extra 50-100 bucks may not be meaningful enough to challenge the market which is why I said that we have a ton of highly paid individuals here.

Congrats on finding a Chinese SB that gives it to you cheap, you have learned an early rule of market economics; develop a relationship (buy consistently) and earn their trust (always pay) and you can renegotiate terms with each other. Many people can also it get for "free" by getting a girlfried or hitting up Tinder. This can happen sometimes with agencies if you are a good enough customer but it's less likely because they are high volume providers and one person is usually not a big dent on their finances (you can't renegotiate terms at MCDonalds either). I'm sympathetic to your pain of getting priced out of a market and feeling that squeeze (I grew up very poor and thinking about spending 500 for an hour would have been outrageous), but creating some sort of John's Union to take back power is highly unlikely; the men are engaging in an illegal act, are trying not to cause problems, and don't want publicity. Unfortunately, this change has be done at another level to make the changes you want.I read a few posts on this topic and appreciate your viewpoint. I have been in the game for a while now, many years sometimes its hard for me to remember how far back I started LOL. But I recall prowling the streets of Bmore and how it went from being a game of chicken with LEO to a game of outwitting them and still hitting the gold mine. But as I got older and my personal situation invariably changed, I left that aspect of game 100% behind, too risky for too little reward (And as you said, I believe many of us decide how we play the game with that in mind). I have done dreams at the gals place and I have had them come to me as well. I have done apts & hotels, driven far from some and wasted money LOL. But even that came with its risk and rewards. Now I find the AMP scene most beneficial for where I am.

The point I am trying to make it for different kinds of the game, there is a different price point. And by natural order, the type of encounter determines the outlay. Time and situation changes determine how many of us operate in this game. AND we operate at the financial level at which we are comfortable. I recall years past when I would have FS with a SW and damage would not exceed. 3 over a decade ago, do I expect to dip into that scene today and expect to get away with that? I doubt it. Ironically if I did find a SW that would take a 10 yr old rate, my danger mouse antenna would flash! Now I will lay out 10 times that without thinking much of it. Secondly as you noted, we will all find our level AND as this is a private biz, how does one try to set "rates" even though one can see the rates do exist, mainly for the "basics" but for all extras, it depends on each MT / escort and also the strength of your pocket. At my stage now, when I find a MT I like, I try to show I want to get the best service available, hence I will treat the ladies nice and tip beyond the norm. I had one sweet gal recently jump on me for a. 5 tip! I was like whoa! As you noted in the past when I had one or two regulars, I supported them even without seeing them and accordingly, I got some freebies periodically.

As you noted from what I read here, some mongerers have good deep pockets and I for one appreciate their reports as it helps cut down the risks and waste of time and money. It also helps me decide how I next want to play the game and what options to consider. My suggestion to us all is to find what works for us and pay accordingly on what we can afford. I should also add this, I wonder why anyone thinks a gal is charging too much, as far as I concerned, charge what you like, you charge what you feel you are worth, same as we plan to pay what we feel should be paid. There are so many fish in the ocean that I am sure you can find whatever financial outlay works best for you. Stay safe and be happy and as they say always treat the ladies nicely!

[TroyMClure]

Anyone else have problems with bedpage loading? First my phone stopped loading a few months back. Now neither the phone, nor tablet, nor PC will load any pages. The reported error is server timeout or page error. The tor browser seems to get me in but even that takes a very long time to load a page.

[Dimples572]

These are from the past. The dark hair girl I think her username was Vanillanofoamlatte.

White girl is Yoga girl or some shit.Regardless, without a link your posts are useless.

[ProCatHunter]

Regardless, without a link your posts are useless.Dudes posts have been worthless for a hot minute. Think the guy gets off on posting pics, berating other mongers about hitting anything less than an anorexic 22 year old, and getting interaction from newbie mongers who think he's for real. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. You're 100% correct tho. His posts are useless trash.

[David032]

Dudes posts have been worthless for a hot minute. Think the guy gets off on posting pics, berating other mongers about hitting anything less than an anorexic 22 year old, and getting interaction from newbie mongers who think he's for real. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. You're 100% correct tho. His posts are useless trash.Agree they are also the first ones to message for details. But when you ask for them to share something they have nothing. Then they complain that we are supposed to share. Losers pretty much. LOL offered guys a free theesome and all I got is bunch of picture collectors except one who just showed up.

[Member #7176]

He been called out many times about his post just being an ego boost. I wouldn't take anything he posts seriously.


Dudes posts have been worthless for a hot minute. Think the guy gets off on posting pics, berating other mongers about hitting anything less than an anorexic 22 year old, and getting interaction from newbie mongers who think he's for real. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. You're 100% correct tho. His posts are useless trash.

[S Smith]

I had a couple of bogus reviews on Mr. Number, the app some girls use to leave reviews on us. Luckily it's free for 3 days so you can check and see if you have any, and if they aren't legit reach out to their customer service who will wipe them for you.

[Itfcd]

Not that I expect anything will be done about this, or that the admins here are paying attention in the least, but I've been getting Bitdefender notifications basically every time I've logged in for the last few days.

Whoever actually runs this place: you guys have an ad that is trying to do some malicious shit. You need to fix that instead of doing nothing.

[PuntaJaco43]

Not that I expect anything will be done about this, or that the admins here are paying attention in the least, but I've been getting Bitdefender notifications basically every time I've logged in for the last few days.

Whoever actually runs this place: you guys have an ad that is trying to do some malicious shit. You need to fix that instead of doing nothing.Noron is blocking the threat. Just started today. What's going on?

Regards.

[Darth Paul]

The first time I saw this in a stg ad I thought maybe the girl was trying to sell gambling services. Then I realized they're forcing it into every ad. LOL.

[Rojo85]

Heard from a reliable source that this is untrue and I hear someones trying to get revenge on Sherri?


Mira / Audrey (aka Sherri / Jiwoo in NoVA) is 46 years old, and her age is 47 by Korean age count system. Yet still, she's got really hot artificial face & body! And her pussy's still tight enough! FYI, she used to be a spa-girl in Gangnam, South Korea for decades, she provides really good massage session. Enjoy!

[DMV Average Joe]

Heard from a reliable source that this is untrue and I hear someones trying to get revenge on Sherri?WOW, really? Or competition, or enemy's BF?

[Rojo85]

Oh come on, you seriously think you did her no harm?

Your fake post costed her calls to drop until the rest of her stay in the US, plus she would have to change her name and picture.

She might not even come back to the NoVA in the future.

Being in this hobby for sometime, you should know that what you did will bring some damage and I think it was intentional.

And BTW its funny how you never once reviewed Mira or Audrey or any of the names she used in the past.


Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Mira when she was in Bellevue, I'm a fan of her plastic beauty! My problem is, how come you guys look so shocked by knowing her real age? She's a MILF, but one hell of sexy MILF! I waited until now since I didn't want to interrupt your decision making process. You guys enjoyed her, right? Just get her age right, and realize how hard she's been trying, with multiple plastic surgery & regular botox injections, to make herself look young!

Thanks.

[BarneySanders]

Nah. I'd put ABBA in her late 20's or an extremely well kept early 30's. And, I've had plenty of gals in their early 20's, like the one I just had at MP.Abba is 25.

[GoneFishing888]

Abba is 25.Has a booty to die for too!

[Bob O Rama]

All of you guys who think any K-girl in NoVA is in their 20's need to get your eyes checked. The majority of them are in their 40's, even if they might not look it. There's a reason they dim the lights in the rooms, it's so you can't get a clear look at the wrinkles on their faces. The last 3 K-girls I saw were Jamie (AG), Suzie (JJ), and Rose (JJ). All were in their 40's.

I have not seen any K-girls from Kpop, but I'm very inclined to believe ShinamotoJason that Sherri really is 46 years old. That age sounds about right for K-girls in America. Sorry to disappoint, but that's just the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

The only girls that are legit in their 20's are at Moon Palace.

[NightHawk 1967]

Abba is 25.I can believe it. And, she's fantastic.

[NightHawk 1967]

All of you guys who think any K-girl in NoVA is in their 20's need to get your eyes checked. The majority of them are in their 40's, even if they might not look it. There's a reason they dim the lights in the rooms, it's so you can't get a clear look at the wrinkles on their faces. The last 3 K-girls I saw were Jamie (AG), Suzie (JJ), and Rose (JJ). All were in their 40's.

I have not seen any K-girls from Kpop, but I'm very inclined to believe ShinamotoJason that Sherri really is 46 years old. That age sounds about right for K-girls in America. Sorry to disappoint, but that's just the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

The only girls that are legit in their 20's are at Moon Palace.Aw, you are striking a nerve. I have been with dozens of K gals in recent years in their 20's in NYC, Philly, Greenbelt, and most recently at KPop girls and MP. And, really I make them turn the lights up! LOL.

[ShinamotoJason]

I'm trying not to say anything about Ms. Abba Kim since she needs to concentrate on launching a brand new K-girl shop in Atlanta, GA, but your statement is nothing but fraud! This kind of trickery must be eradicated from this field! Let me be practical. Objectively speaking, KPopGirl's brand new girl is one of the youngest K-girls currently active in the States. Just compare them.


Abba is 25.

[ShinamotoJason]

I am the one who created her first TER Profile, just do some digging based on "Audrey. TER I'd# 366332".

Enjoy!


Oh come on, you seriously think you did her no harm?

Your fake post costed her calls to drop until the rest of her stay in the US, plus she would have to change her name and picture.

She might not even come back to the NoVA in the future.

Being in this hobby for sometime, you should know that what you did will bring some damage and I think it was intentional.

And BTW its funny how you never once reviewed Mira or Audrey or any of the names she used in the past.

[BarneySanders]

I'm trying not to say anything about Ms. Abba Kim since she needs to concentrate on launching a brand new K-girl shop in Atlanta, GA, but your statement is nothing but fraud! This kind of trickery must be eradicated from this field! Let me be practical. Objectively speaking, KPopGirl's brand new girl is one of the youngest K-girls currently active in the States. Just compare them.I love when people in the internet rant about what they think vs what they know. I am not of the former group.

[Rojo85]

Yah, I won't deny some are in their 40's.

But I have seen a few 20's that come to NoVA frequently.

In the order of youngest to older (IMO).

Ara (DS).

Lina (AG).

Daphne (DS).

Lynn (DS).

Baby (DS, BEG).

And alot more here and there but can't remember all of them.

Lynn and Baby might be pushing 30's tho. The others I guarantee they are in their 20's. Ara and Lina is probably early mid 20's.


All of you guys who think any K-girl in NoVA is in their 20's need to get your eyes checked. The majority of them are in their 40's, even if they might not look it. There's a reason they dim the lights in the rooms, it's so you can't get a clear look at the wrinkles on their faces. The last 3 K-girls I saw were Jamie (AG), Suzie (JJ), and Rose (JJ). All were in their 40's.

I have not seen any K-girls from Kpop, but I'm very inclined to believe ShinamotoJason that Sherri really is 46 years old. That age sounds about right for K-girls in America. Sorry to disappoint, but that's just the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

The only girls that are legit in their 20's are at Moon Palace.

[Rojo85]

That does not change the fact you are intentionally causing damage.

I heard who Sherri has a problem with (their ties go back from Korea Kangnam days when your goddess used to own a shop there).

If you want I can start talking about her too. But I decide NOT to scoop down to your level to intentionally hurt other's businesses. It sounds like shes's already having a hard time...



I am the one who created her first TER Profile, just do some digging based on "Audrey. TER I'd# 366332".

Enjoy!

[Jacobs Patrick]

Oh come on, you seriously think you did her no harm?

Your fake post costed her calls to drop until the rest of her stay in the US, plus she would have to change her name and picture.

She might not even come back to the NoVA in the future.

Being in this hobby for sometime, you should know that what you did will bring some damage and I think it was intentional.

And BTW its funny how you never once reviewed Mira or Audrey or any of the names she used in the past.When a hobbyist opens the door and sees a provider that is age 35+, expecting a 24 year old. How do you think that experience is going to play out? Walk out? Sadness that the provider can read? Advertising them as 24 and fake reviews put the girls in a bad spot to explain. This is like buying a red pen; opening the amazon box and getting a blue pen. Maybe not a deal breaking, because you can still use / f*ck the blue pen, but disappointing nevertheless. I've learned to taper my expectations at the door opening, but the newbies. The purpose of this review site is to honestly review the providers, not to advertise for them. Nobody is saying that a 46 year old can't be hot as shit. And in some cases can be 10 x hotter than a 24 year old. The girls can stand on their own two feet. No need to drive undue pressure on them with fake reviews. This is my 2 cents.

[Rojo85]

I can agree with you all the way but when the reviews are just to intentionally hurt someone's business, that becomes a different story.


When a hobbyist opens the door and sees a provider that is age 35+, expecting a 24 year old. How do you think that experience is going to play out? Walk out? Sadness that the provider can read? Advertising them as 24 and fake reviews put the girls in a bad spot to explain. This is like buying a red pen; opening the amazon box and getting a blue pen. Maybe not a deal breaking, because you can still use / f*ck the blue pen, but disappointing nevertheless. I've learned to taper my expectations at the door opening, but the newbies. The purpose of this review site is to honestly review the providers, not to advertise for them. Nobody is saying that a 46 year old can't be hot as shit. And in some cases can be 10 x hotter than a 24 year old. The girls can stand on their own two feet. No need to drive undue pressure on them with fake reviews. This is my 2 cents.

[DMV Average Joe]

I can agree with you all the way but when the reviews are just to intentionally hurt someone's business, that becomes a different story.Agree with you, there's difference between accurate / honest reviews to help fellow hobbyists and malicious intention to ruin girls / agencies biz for whatever reasons, plus too much personal info in public is always bad for people involved.

[Jacobs Patrick]

That does not change the fact you are intentionally causing damage.

I heard who Sherri has a problem with (their ties go back from Korea Kangnam days when your goddess used to own a shop there).

If you want I can start talking about her too. But I decide NOT to scoop down to your level to intentionally hurt other's businesses. It sounds like shes's already having a hard time...I wouldn't worry about kgirls. They are making beaucoup money, especially the ones in this area and are traveling the country. Beaucoup Money! Think about it: new agencies are popping up; rates are up; and abba / sherri are fully booked (was told to prebook). They work when they want to with breaks in between. I'm too ugly and old to get into this business. HA!

[DMV Average Joe]

That does not change the fact you are intentionally causing damage.

I heard who Sherri has a problem with (their ties go back from Korea Kangnam days when your goddess used to own a shop there).

If you want I can start talking about her too. But I decide NOT to scoop down to your level to intentionally hurt other's businesses. It sounds like she's already having a hard time...Those girls involved in this tread are in different cities, different market. There is no competition at all. Why spreading all these info?

Someone wants to start a war?

[Jacobs Patrick]

I can agree with you all the way but when the reviews are just to intentionally hurt someone's business, that becomes a different story.I guess I missed your accusation of intentionality, revenge and having a hard time. Care to explain to the rest of the class? BTW, Sherri has an incredible body with a bit of GPS, a must see.

[Bob O Rama]

Aw, you are striking a nerve. I have been with dozens of K gals in recent years in their 20's in NYC, Philly, Greenbelt, and most recently at KPop girls and MP. And, really I make them turn the lights up! LOL.No nerves were intended to be struck. My post was to bring forth some transparency in what you're paying for. As I said, the girls at MP are actually young, so for MP only, I would believe you. But the for K-agencies, nope I ain't buying it. The K-agencies have every reason to advertise their girls to be as young as possible (for obvious reasons). If you think you struck out by banging a 25-year-old at a K-agency, you are deluding yourself. Just think of how much plastic surgery K-girls have had, plus the fact that they apply lots of makeup before they work, plus the fact that they dim the lights to the point where it's so dark you can't even count your money. They ain't in their 20's. But you believe what you want.


Yah, I won't deny some are in their 40's.

But I have seen a few 20's that come to NoVA frequently.

In the order of youngest to older (IMO).

Ara (DS).

Lina (AG).

Daphne (DS).

Lynn (DS).

Baby (DS, BEG).

And alot more here and there but can't remember all of them.

Lynn and Baby might be pushing 30's tho. The others I guarantee they are in their 20's. Ara and Lina is probably early mid 20's.Out of that list, I've only seen Ara and Lynn. They definitely look younger than the rest, and could pull off looking like they're in their 20's. But I would say they're pushing into their early 30's. I remember Ara talking about college-related stuff, so she probably is a college student. But there are students (especially from other countries) who attend college in the US in their 30's.

[Derilious89]

Some of you guys are really weird when you talk about ages. There is a wide variety of girls that come here. The majority of those who come here from Korea are coming after they are aged out in Korea. That is usually in the mid to late 20's since most Asian nations tend to define that time as the passing of the torch from "gold" to "silver". You can get a second run here so many of the ladies take that opportunity. The girls with the least amount of English are usually around that age, and as their English improves you can probably guess they are solidly in the thirties.

Still, there are a bunch of women (some mentioned by others) that are in their twenties and on student visas which is much easier to get when you are younger. Visa officers are fairly suspicious of 30+ year old women, without Korean college degrees, suddenly requesting the visa and are much more trusting of younger applicants. I won't get into the illicit or criminal stuff but the "legit" way does signal that providers can be younger.

Of course, DC gets the leftovers so we do get less of the young ladies here compared to the cycle in NYC, Vegas, or Cali / LA, but it's weird to listen to people talk about all the ladies being in their forties. In my (limited) experience, I have spent time with many who were in their mid / late 20's that I can personally attest too that after exchanging Kakao profiles and helping them with personal translation jobs, student forms, etc. Hell, if you know a little Korean culture, it will be obvious what their age is; zoomers know nothing about Big Bang, 2 ne1, Running Man or any of the popular 2000's stuff and the older ladies will know nothing about the popular groups today outside of BTS or BlackPink. You guys need to stop overthinking things and just enjoy the flow. Don't let the age maniacs or downers try to ruin things.

[ShinamotoJason]

I sincerely hope what you just said is true. Thanks.


I love when people in the internet rant about what they think vs what they know. I am not of the former group.

[ShinamotoJason]

That's interesting, I didn't know she had an enemy. Peace be with her.


That does not change the fact you are intentionally causing damage.

I heard who Sherri has a problem with (their ties go back from Korea Kangnam days when your goddess used to own a shop there).

If you want I can start talking about her too. But I decide NOT to scoop down to your level to intentionally hurt other's businesses. It sounds like shes's already having a hard time...

[Koolakulak]

Mira / Audrey (aka Sherri / Jiwoo in NoVA) is 46 years old, and her age is 47 by Korean age count system. Yet still, she's got really hot artificial face & body! And her pussy's still tight enough! FYI, she used to be a spa-girl in Gangnam, South Korea for decades, she provides really good massage session. Enjoy!I'm not saying that you're wrong, but my experience with her leads me to doubt she is in her 40's. Just by how soft her skin was and overall face / body, I like to believe she is closer to 30.

[ShinamotoJason]

You have freedom to believe whatever you want to believe, and I truly respect your point of view & agree with you that she looks 30's. It was an accidental revelation during my conversation with Nogardeulb that I passingly mentioned about her age. My original focus was Nogardeulb's self-contradiction that, to me, it was a trickery. However, I've been unintentionally observing him and his possible group's response as a litmus test, and I believe I got the color that matches my thought. I don't care about their laughable accusations about me related to some sort of enmity or revenge since Ms. Kim knows the truth; however, unfortunately, it seems there is a group of mongers with an alpha, and this is a seriously bad sign.

Be careful guys, some of you will be victimized as the next Charles Peters & his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Have a peaceful evening!

Thanks.


I'm not saying that you're wrong, but my experience with her leads me to doubt she is in her 40's. Just by how soft her skin was and overall face / body, I like to believe she is closer to 30.

[KyungJean]

No nerves were intended to be struck. My post was to bring forth some transparency in what you're paying for. As I said, the girls at MP are actually young, so for MP only, I would believe you. But the for K-agencies, nope I ain't buying it. The K-agencies have every reason to advertise their girls to be as young as possible (for obvious reasons). If you think you struck out by banging a 25-year-old at a K-agency, you are deluding yourself. Just think of how much plastic surgery K-girls have had, plus the fact that they apply lots of makeup before they work, plus the fact that they dim the lights to the point where it's so dark you can't even count your money. They ain't in their 20's. But you believe what you want.

Out of that list, I've only seen Ara and Lynn. They definitely look younger than the rest, and could pull off looking like they're in their 20's. But I would say they're pushing into their early 30's. I remember Ara talking about college-related stuff, so she probably is a college student. But there are students (especially from other countries) who attend college in the US in their 30's.Ara "pushing" into her 30's?

Thanks for the laugh!

[Admin2]

Heard from a reliable source that this is untrue and I hear someones trying to get revenge on Sherri?I just had to waste a half hour and move 26 posts largely as a result of your white knighting.

Everybody on the internet knows there are false positive and false negative reports, who gives a fuck if he gets the age wrong, every monger in the fucking world knows that Asian woman all look like they are 25 until one day in their 50's they go to sleep looking like they are 25 and wake up looking like they are 90.

You started this bullshit and then kept it going and wasted my time, don't do it again. If you disagree with some guy add him to your ignore list this isn't a debate club.

A2

[Squatty2]

You have freedom to believe whatever you want to believe, and I truly respect your point of view & agree with you that she looks 30's. It was an accidental revelation during my conversation with Nogardeulb that I passingly mentioned about her age. My original focus was Nogardeulb's self-contradiction that, to me, it was a trickery. However, I've been unintentionally observing him and his possible group's response as a litmus test, and I believe I got the color that matches my thought. I don't care about their laughable accusations about me related to some sort of enmity or revenge since Ms. Kim knows the truth; however, unfortunately, it seems there is a group of mongers with an alpha, and this is a seriously bad sign.

Be careful guys, some of you will be victimized as the next Charles Peters & his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen..These guys are delusional. Or haven't actually met Asian women in their 20's in real life outside of this world.

[ShinamotoJason]

If desire to meet & fuck the true topnotch young young K-girl currently available in your town, just fuck off the memory of previous MILFs & pre-MILFs you've been delusional with, and go and see lve.


These guys are delusional. Or haven't actually met Asian women in their 20's in real life outside of this world.

[Darth Paul]

I just had to waste a half hour and move 26 posts largely as a result of your white knighting.

Everybody on the internet knows there are false positive and false negative reports, who gives a fuck if he gets the age wrong, every monger in the fucking world knows that Asian woman all look like they are 25 until one day in their 50's they go to sleep looking like they are 25 and wake up looking like they are 90.

You started this bullshit and then kept it going and wasted my time, don't do it again. If you disagree with some guy add him to your ignore list this isn't a debate club.

A2He speaks the truth!

[NightHawk 1967]

If desire to meet & fuck the true topnotch young young K-girl currently available in your town, just fuck off the memory of previous MILFs & pre-MILFs you've been delusional with, and go and see lve.I agree. I've is young and hot. Plus, as I posted on the agency thread I thought she was going to pass out from her aggressive head bobbing during BBBJ. Too bad she's gone. But how about Mina? I'm thinking to give her a spin, but would appreciate advance Intel.

[TheDrowned]

There is a certain little troll on this board who thought it was a bright idea to open his stupid mouth and send me a PM telling me I should fix my addiction and shut the fuck up.

So now, like the Saturday morning cartoon villain that I am. I'm imploring any knowledgeable mongers to pass me Mrs. Virginias digits. I'd like to see if I can make an appointment with her and make her my next review. I promise to be as graphic as possible with a detailed review on the provider knowing our favorite troll will be reading it and writhing in pain during every stanza on the beautiful song I will play.

Yes this may be a first and the monger equivalent of fucking their mom. I'm going to take the thing this guy cherishes the most and try to pound the living shit out of her.

If anyone can PM me details on how to contact her you would be doing a service and participating in some delicious revenge.

[Serpin58]

There is a certain little troll on this board who thought it was a bright idea to open his stupid mouth and send me a PM telling me I should fix my addiction and shut the fuck up.

So now, like the Saturday morning cartoon villain that I am. I'm imploring any knowledgeable mongers to pass me Mrs. Virginias digits. I'd like to see if I can make an appointment with her and make her my next review. I promise to be as graphic as possible with a detailed review on the provider knowing our favorite troll will be reading it and writhing in pain during every stanza on the beautiful song I will play.

Yes this may be a first and the monger equivalent of fucking their mom. I'm going to take the thing this guy cherishes the most and try to pound the living shit out of her.

If anyone can PM me details on how to contact her you would be doing a service and participating in some delicious revenge.Typical / I'm better than anyone blabbing mouth daily! Your egotistical prick! True narcissist only wants to hear his only voice! That was your professional option to the dude that needs surgery on the general post! You're a doctor? Sound Ms about right narcissist- have fun with the loser. She's cunning- manipulator.

Good bye losers forever.

All of you are in a ocean and your going to drown in this.

[TheDrowned]

Typical / I'm better than anyone blabbing mouth daily! Your egotistical prick! True narcissist only wants to hear his only voice! That was your professional option to the dude that needs surgery on the general post! You're a doctor? Sound Ms about right narcissist- have fun with the loser. She's cunning- manipulator.

Good bye losers forever.

All of you are in a ocean and your going to drown in this.You threaten to leave this board forever at least twice a week.

Even herpes has the decency to wait a little while longer before making its harrowing return.

I'll be waiting with you at the bottom of the ocean friendo. But please, just for this time. Wait a little bit longer before rearing your ugly head on this board.

And with any luck you'll come bearing something worth talking about. Clown.

[Serpin58]

You threaten to leave this board forever at least twice a week.

Even herpes has the decency to wait a little while longer before making its harrowing return.

I'll be waiting with you at the bottom of the ocean friendo. But please, just for this time. Wait a little bit longer before rearing your ugly head on this board.

And with any luck you'll come bearing something worth talking about. Clown.Really? I inbox you! You made it public narcissist! Couldn't talk one on one! You had to see your own voice. Proven narcissist.

[Serpin58]

You threaten to leave this board forever at least twice a week.

Even herpes has the decency to wait a little while longer before making its harrowing return.

I'll be waiting with you at the bottom of the ocean friendo. But please, just for this time. Wait a little bit longer before rearing your ugly head on this board.

And with any luck you'll come bearing something worth talking about. Clown.I talked to on pm and you blast publicly like the the narcissist you are.

[Korman23]

I talked to on pm and you blast publicly like the the narcissist you are.I guess it never occurred to you that if you didn't reply to his post then no one would know who it was. You just called yourself out on this one.

[LowerBackPain]

{Originally clicked on the wrong Forum}.

Proceed with caution as I understand she not only reads this Forum, but that user "Fredo69" may actually be her. With as many times as I've seen her name come up I've never seen her posting / Ad / photo anywhere and I kind of dismissed her services for two reasons: 1. NOVA endings are about as far as her menu extends AND 2. One would have to go not only to her house, but walk around the side and down into a basement. Will someone please post an true and accurate picture of her. Good luck, strike quick before she gets wind of your posting and be sure to tell someone (a friend or family member) where you're going. As I've seen another monger say, "Always be nice to the ladies and watch out for ninjas that might drown you. ".


There is a certain little troll on this board who thought it was a bright idea to open his stupid mouth and send me a PM telling me I should fix my addiction and shut the fuck up.

So now, like the Saturday morning cartoon villain that I am. I'm imploring any knowledgeable mongers to pass me Mrs. Virginias digits. I'd like to see if I can make an appointment with her and make her my next review. I promise to be as graphic as possible with a detailed review on the provider knowing our favorite troll will be reading it and writhing in pain during every stanza on the beautiful song I will play.

Yes this may be a first and the monger equivalent of fucking their mom. I'm going to take the thing this guy cherishes the most and try to pound the living shit out of her.

If anyone can PM me details on how to contact her you would be doing a service and participating in some delicious revenge.

[CuriousVaMan]

Have you lost your fucking mind?

Taking it out on a provider because you have a beef with another monger is the dumbest thing I ever seen written on these boards.


There is a certain little troll on this board who thought it was a bright idea to open his stupid mouth and send me a PM telling me I should fix my addiction and shut the fuck up.

So now, like the Saturday morning cartoon villain that I am. I'm imploring any knowledgeable mongers to pass me Mrs. Virginias digits. I'd like to see if I can make an appointment with her and make her my next review. I promise to be as graphic as possible with a detailed review on the provider knowing our favorite troll will be reading it and writhing in pain during every stanza on the beautiful song I will play.

Yes this may be a first and the monger equivalent of fucking their mom. I'm going to take the thing this guy cherishes the most and try to pound the living shit out of her.

If anyone can PM me details on how to contact her you would be doing a service and participating in some delicious revenge.

[TheDrowned]

Have you lost your fucking mind?

Taking it out on a provider because you have a beef with another monger is the dumbest thing I ever seen written on these boards.Oh brother.

There's a reason I posted this in stupid shit. It pains me to have to blunt the edge of this joke, but I wasn't being serious. I didn't really have any intention of seeing her, I just know it severely bothers cucky the clown.

But if you will, humor for a second, let us actually take this apart and analyze this. Let's pretend I was going to dream of Ms V.

Taking it out on a provider? My guy. Are we not on usasexguides? Are we not mongers? Do we not seek out dreams where we see providers who exchange goods and services that may or may not result in sexual favors for monetary gain? Taking it out on the provider!?

Have any of my hundreds upon hundreds of stories resulted in me axe murdering these chicks?

I follow the church of PA. I have always always always treated ladies with nothing but kindness and respect. God forbid I offer to pay for an hour of her time with money, laughs, and a good time, right!? If I can charm her and get more bang for my buck and get a good story out of it hells yeah. I may use crude and terse verbiage for hyperbole in a comic spin. But bro. I'm a monger. Not a monster. And I do monger things IRREGARDLESS of the reason. If I have a good time and get to plunder the added benefit of making this trolls life a little bit more miserable. It's just going to sweeten the pot for me. Sorry to upset the Miss Virginia fan club over here, yeesh.

In all fairness even if I wanted to go, I'm sure I'd be blocked in the driveway by this ogre who already has a restraining order against him by her. Or maybe that's you?

Either way sorry for offending anyone. My goal was to vanquish this troll on the board and given his response I thought I had sent him, blasting off into space kicking and screaming like Team Rocket but once he gets wind of you defending him like this I'm sure he'll come stomp stomp stomping his way back with a pip in his step.

[CuriousVaMan]

Yea, I realized it as soon as I posted. Sorry Drowned. BTW, love your prose.

I think my problem is from the descriptions, I think I've seen Miss Virginia; however my guess is she's in her early 50's.


Oh brother.

There's a reason I posted this in stupid shit. It pains me to have to blunt the edge of this joke, but I wasn't being serious. I didn't really have any intention of seeing her, I just know it severely bothers cucky the clown.

But if you will, humor for a second, let us actually take this apart and analyze this. Let's pretend I was going to dream of Ms V.

Taking it out on a provider? My guy. Are we not on usasexguides? Are we not mongers? Do we not seek out dreams where we see providers who exchange goods and services that may or may not result in sexual favors for monetary gain? Taking it out on the provider!

Have any of my hundreds upon hundreds of stories resulted in me axe murdering these chicks?

I follow the church of PA. I have always always always treated ladies with nothing but kindness and respect. God forbid I offer to pay for an hour of her time with money, laughs, and a good time, right!? If I can charm her and get more bang for my buck and get a good story out of it hells yeah. I may use crude and terse verbiage for hyperbole in a comic spin. But bro. I'm a monger. Not a monster. And I do monger things IRREGARDLESS of the reason. If I have a good time and get to plunder the added benefit of making this trolls life a little bit more miserable. It's just going to sweeten the pot for me. Sorry to upset the Miss Virginia fan club over here, yeesh.

In all fairness even if I wanted to go, I'm sure I'd be blocked in the driveway by this ogre who already has a restraining order against him by her. Or maybe that's you?

Either way sorry for offending anyone. My goal was to vanquish this troll on the board and given his response I thought I had sent him into the sky like Team Rocket yapping and crying through and through but once he gets wind of you defending him like this I'm sure he'll come stomp stomp stomping his way back with a pip in his step.

[MrEnding]

Where is she LOL I'm trying to see her! I'm sorry fellow mongers are catching feelings for providers but man block my car if you want, I have hollow tips waiting LOL.

[PilotAviator]

I follow the church of PA. I have always always always treated ladies with nothing but kindness and respect. AMEN! Always be nice to the ladies.

If you did not enjoy, depart and do not return. And post an informative but hopefully not abusive review / alert to assist other brother mongers.

If you enjoyed, depart and return as often as you and the lady can manage (or don't return) -- and post an informative review. And attempt to have some wit and wisdom with the shared information such as frequently posted by TheDrowned and others.

I saw a nice lady (well-reviewed Thai lady) earlier this week -- I'll post a few comments in the appropriate forum.

Always be nice to the ladies -- and, whenever possible to your brother and sister mongers.

PA.

[Goombah69]

You threaten to leave this board forever at least twice a week.

Even herpes has the decency to wait a little while longer before making its harrowing return.

I'll be waiting with you at the bottom of the ocean friendo. But please, just for this time. Wait a little bit longer before rearing your ugly head on this board.

And with any luck you'll come bearing something worth talking about. Clown.Herpes Serpin needs to fade away like a fart in the wind. He has a comment for everything and knows more than anyone else.

[Member #6915]

Oh brother.

There's a reason I posted this in stupid shit.

Have any of my hundreds upon hundreds of stories resulted in me axe murdering these chicks?
.

There are several providers missing and uncle LEO is actively on this page.

Let me take this topic to a more serious conversation. Does anyone know if Miss V does double penetration? This sounds like it might be fun.

[Serpin58]

There is a certain little troll on this board who thought it was a bright idea to open his stupid mouth and send me a PM telling me I should fix my addiction and shut the fuck up.

So now, like the Saturday morning cartoon villain that I am. I'm imploring any knowledgeable mongers to pass me Mrs. Virginias digits. I'd like to see if I can make an appointment with her and make her my next review. I promise to be as graphic as possible with a detailed review on the provider knowing our favorite troll will be reading it and writhing in pain during every stanza on the beautiful song I will play.

Yes this may be a first and the monger equivalent of fucking their mom. I'm going to take the thing this guy cherishes the most and try to pound the living shit out of her.

If anyone can PM me details on how to contact her you would be doing a service and participating in some delicious revenge.I messaged you inbox 📥 it wasn't even about any provider. You decided to make it open drama and make it about Ms Virginia- good go screw with her double team. Dated her 7 years- gave her daughter more money a year then you give your providers. I picked her up from airport and dropped her off at home when her other BF block me In drive way showing me a sex video of the both of them. 2 months later. That same BF blocked a client I know because she told me. We were still off and on. The dude had to drive around through the niehboors yard! I came her to warn but I was still emotionally upset about everything and handle it wrong- she's truly cunning and manipulative- I apologize to you for my inbox message on a separate matter- happy Friday be safe and farewell.

[TheDrowned]

I messaged you inbox 📥 it wasn't even about any provider. You decided to make it open drama and make it about Ms Virginia- good go screw with her double team. Dated her 7 years- gave her daughter more money a year then you give your providers. I picked her up from airport and dropped her off at home when her other BF block me In drive way showing me a sex video of the both of them. 2 months later. That same BF blocked a client I know because she told me. We were still off and on. The dude had to drive around through the niehboors yard! I came her to warn but I was still emotionally upset about everything and handle it wrong- she's truly cunning and manipulative- I apologize to you for my inbox message on a separate matter- happy Friday be safe and farewell.This was your PM to me.

" I think you and 4 nicks.

Get off rattling shit! 411 my ass! You get off on telling everyone your experience because of both of you can do it daily! You're both sex alcoholics like I'm alcoholics! You ran into old provider that knows your damn shit! Regular Joe would got something.

Just shut the fuck up for awhile you addict".

Out of the blue, you attacked me, unprovoked.

This is not the ramblings of a sane individual. You understand that right?

But you attacked me and I clapped back. And I blew you out of the water. I hosed you down like an ant. You challenged the pirate king and got swiftly pillaged and looted. Because frankly, you're out of your depth.

Okay the water puns aside. You do need help, as as I alluded to you in PM I know where you're coming from. I was hurt by a provider too. I'm literally just one bad day away from becoming the next Serpin. I get it bruh. But you literally have made an account on this board, where you do not provide intel. You just ***** and complain about a provider who wants nothing more to do with you. Move the fuck on. Cut your losses. Learn from your mistakes. We all make them, but only idiots fail to learn and thus make them over and over again. That’s the definition of insanity my guy.

But when you're tossed into the sea with no tube (Love, life, and mongering will do that to you).

You're left with 2 options. Sink or swim. Brother you got to swim. You've fallen so far but you have to let that weight go because it will drag you down for eternity. Move on, find a new Miss V. And don't let the next adventure sink you. Learn. And grow.

Rise and conquer.

Ok sorry about the extra water pun I couldn't resist.

Apology accepted.

[LowerBackPain]

Brother Serpin, All said, it kind of makes me wonder what the woman has that could make someone fall so hard for her. Do you have any photos or videos of her that you can share with us? Should you do so I'm sure I can get the brotherhood to consider your reinstatement and in the end welcome you back say after a minor fine or brief suspension. As an aside, isn't Ella (re: the escort Forum) wonderfully photogenic. No at all shy about allowing mongers to pull out their phone and hit record. I think someone there found a website where videos can be posted and simply linked here.


I messaged you inbox 📥 it wasn't even about any provider. You decided to make it open drama and make it about Ms Virginia- good go screw with her double team. Dated her 7 years- gave her daughter more money a year then you give your providers. I picked her up from airport and dropped her off at home when her other BF block me In drive way showing me a sex video of the both of them. 2 months later. That same BF blocked a client I know because she told me. We were still off and on. The dude had to drive around through the niehboors yard! I came her to warn but I was still emotionally upset about everything and handle it wrong- she's truly cunning and manipulative- I apologize to you for my inbox message on a separate matter- happy Friday be safe and farewell.

[Coaster42]

Brother Serpin, All said, it kind of makes me wonder what the woman has that could make someone fall so hard for her. Do you have any photos or videos of her that you can share with us? Should you do so I'm sure I can get the brotherhood to consider your reinstatement and in the end welcome you back say after a minor fine or brief suspension. As an aside, isn't Ella (re: the escort Forum) wonderfully photogenic. No at all shy about allowing mongers to pull out their phone and hit record. I think someone there found a website where videos can be posted and simply linked here.Ms. V has retired. A stalker drive her out of the business. I think we can all guess who.

[Serpin58]

Brother Serpin, All said, it kind of makes me wonder what the woman has that could make someone fall so hard for her. Do you have any photos or videos of her that you can share with us? Should you do so I'm sure I can get the brotherhood to consider your reinstatement and in the end welcome you back say after a minor fine or brief suspension. As an aside, isn't Ella (re: the escort Forum) wonderfully photogenic. No at all shy about allowing mongers to pull out their phone and hit record. I think someone there found a website where videos can be posted and simply linked here.I have huge resentments to her- bashing her is enough! I met her doing Uber part-time while putting my daughter through college- not mongering.

[Serpin58]

Ms. V has retired. A stalker drive her out of the business. I think we can all guess who.She's a beautiful attractive, intelligent woman with amazing daughter who's adult- she's better than it! Lord knows I gave her enough money- I really hope she did! Has wonderful life without that crap.

[Frank Digitola]

Since you brahs bring Emma up, I feel I should tell you about my last visit with her. As I mentioned in my initial report here:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3958-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=4872266&viewfull=1#post4872266.

Reaching out to the number in the Emma ads will lead you to one of two providers. One is an older, blonde, white lady. The other is a woman of North African or Middle Eastern background. The latter is who I saw for three visits. She's also the one most of the brahs here have ended up seeing. The first visit is outlined in my report. The second went practically the same with the only difference being a more prolonged BBBJ with a hand finish. Visit three however took a turn for the unfortunate.

Everything was going fine. Halfway through the CMT portion of my visit though, Emma begins to talk about how thrilled she was with the results of the last election. I am totally cool with shooting the proverbial shit with anyone. There are however a few things that I absolutely do not enjoy discussing while bare ass naked awaiting my opportunity to Grail Spray the plump teddies of a masseuse. Politics are one of those topics. She says and I quote "I'm so glad WE got Mr Trump out of office right? Right? Right Frank?" I pleasantly reply with "The only office I care about is your office and this time I have with you. Know what I mean? Haha.”

Although I thought I handled that with a level of grace and smoothness that could only be attained by a ballerina who is also a ninja assassin, my unwillingness to denounce The Donald put her in the funkiest of moods. She went dead silent for the rest of the session, refused to pop the teddies out and gave me a tugger that was so unenthusiastic I couldn't pop. I left with all my baby batter intact. So yeah. With good ole Trump in the news and the election on the horizon, the stage is potentially set for an awkward conversation that could completely sour her mood and ruin your session.

I'm not trying to deter you from scheduling an appointment. After all I went and saw her three times and despite the third visit hiccup I tried to book a few times afterwards to no avail. I'm just trying to provide info that'll help you determine if a visit is worth it or not. If your curiosity is really high I can actually point you in the direction of legit pics. Just hit me up and let me know.

Frankie.

[TheDrowned]

Since you brahs bring Emma up, I feel I should tell you about my last visit with her. As I mentioned in my initial report here:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3958-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=4872266&viewfull=1#post4872266.

Reaching out to the number in the Emma ads will lead you to one of two providers. One is an older, blonde, white lady. The other is a woman of North African or Middle Eastern background. The latter is who I saw for three visits. She's also the one most of the brahs here have ended up seeing. The first visit is outlined in my report. The second went practically the same with the only difference being a more prolonged BBBJ with a hand finish. Visit three however took a turn for the unfortunate.

Everything was going fine. Halfway through the CMT portion of my visit though, Emma begins to talk about how thrilled she was with the results of the last election. I am totally cool with shooting the proverbial shit with anyone. There are however a few things that I absolutely do not enjoy discussing while bare ass naked awaiting my opportunity to Grail Spray the plump teddies of a masseuse. Politics are one of those topics. She says and I quote "I'm so glad WE got Mr Trump out of office right? Right? Right Frank?" I pleasantly reply with "The only office I care about is your office and this time I have with you. Know what I mean? Haha.

Although I thought I handled that with a level of grace and smoothness that could only be attained by a ballerina who is also a ninja assassin, my unwillingness to denounce The Donald put her in the funkiest of moods. She went dead silent for the rest of the session, refused to pop the teddies out and gave me a tugger that was so unenthusiastic I couldn't pop. I left with all my baby batter intact. So yeah. With good ole Trump in the news and the election on the horizon, the stage is potentially set for an awkward conversation that could completely sour her mood and ruin your session.

I'm not trying to deter you from scheduling an appointment. After all I went and saw her three times and despite the third visit hiccup I tried to book a few times afterwards to no avail. I'm just trying to provide info that'll help you determine if a visit is worth it or not. If your curiosity is really high I can actually point you in the direction of legit pics. Just hit me up and let me know.

Frankie.And that is why I hate politics so much. Even in my youth, I hated social studies and learning about American history. Science and math were my subjects of passion because NUMBERS CAN NEVER LIE TO YOU. I've been straight with many women on this. I don't care what side you belong to. I just want to cum in your mouth.

But your story reminds me of my falling out with Kiara. This nutty Latina would strap herself up like a suicide bomber to rescue Trump from jail. Like that's how much of a zealot she is to the Republican Party. Which is ironic in an of itself considering she's from Columbia and in this country illegally. She supports the dude who would kick her out of this country and erect a wall to prevent her from ever making it back to US soil.

As Leguizamo once said, Latinos for trump are like insects supporting Raid! During my first massage session with her happened to be around the time Biden got elected and she was going off about how the election was rigged and yada yada yada. I made the grand mistake of telling her I voted for the guy, and look, I'm neither republican or democrat and if I'm being honest I hate both presidential candidates. For the last 20 years and maybe even longer than that our democracy has been a joke and I think South Park said it best that ultimately our choice boils down to a douche or a turd sandwich. Pick your poison.

But as with all devout political nut jobs. If you're not with them. Your against them. Now at first I thought it was playful. Kiara was a nutcase but when we started fucking she kept calling me Biden, stupid gringo. It was roleplay and kinda hot. I mean this lady was crazy but she was also smoking hot, so there's a tolerance factor and let's just say she wasn't near my threshold of stupid shit she could say before I lost my erection.

But after multiple visits with her. It was clear that because I did not share her view on why the political insurrectionists on January 6th aren't heroes she was going to stop seeing me and providing me services. Basically being the political centrist that I am instantly branded me as a liberal democrat and thus I was her mortal enemy. She stopped taking my calls and when I tried to see her in person at her place of work I was told to go home and she would not service me. Quite pathetic but yeah the lesson here is to just shut your mouth when it comes to politics or find a way to lie through your teeth and indulge their idiotic fantasies.

Politics. The great divider.

[Frank Digitola]

And that is why I hate politics so much. Even in my youth, I hated social studies and learning about American history. Science and math were my subjects of passion because NUMBERS CAN NEVER LIE TO YOU. I've been straight with many women on this. I don't care what side you belong to. I just want to cum in your mouth.

But your story reminds me of my falling out with Kiara. This nutty Latina would strap herself up like a suicide bomber to rescue Trump from jail. Like that's how much of a zealot she is to the Republican Party. Which is ironic in an of itself considering she's from Columbia and in this country illegally. She supports the dude who would kick her out of this country and erect a wall to prevent her from ever making it back to US soil.

As Leguizamo once said, Latinos for trump are like insects supporting Raid! During my first massage session with her happened to be around the time Biden got elected and she was going off about how the election was rigged and yada yada yada. I made the grand mistake of telling her I voted for the guy, and look, I'm neither republican or democrat and if I'm being honest I hate both presidential candidates. For the last 20 years and maybe even longer than that our democracy has been a joke and I think South Park said it best that ultimately our choice boils down to a douche or a turd sandwich. Pick your poison.

But as with all devout political nut jobs. If you're not with them. Your against them. Now at first I thought it was playful. Kiara was a nutcase but when we started fucking she kept calling me Biden, stupid gringo. It was roleplay and kinda hot. I mean this lady was crazy but she was also smoking hot, so there's a tolerance factor and let's just say she wasn't near my threshold of stupid shit she could say before I lost my erection.

But after multiple visits with her. It was clear that because I did not share her view on why the political insurrectionists on January 6th aren't heroes she was going to stop seeing me and providing me services. Basically being the political centrist that I am instantly branded me as a liberal democrat and thus I was her mortal enemy. She stopped taking my calls and when I tried to see her in person at her place of work I was told to go home and she would not service me. Quite pathetic but yeah the lesson here is to just shut your mouth when it comes to politics or find a way to lie through your teeth and indulge their idiotic fantasies.

Politics. The great divider.Yeah brah it's crazy. I don't care if you're asking me a softball point of common ground like "So Frank, what do you think of Pol Pot?" I'm in bust mode. I'm not trying to talk about any of that. The bubble booty chick Joanna from Garden in Burke a few years ago stayed in my rotation. She mentioned that my eta was longer than it would usually take one day when I made an appointment. I just so happened to have been visiting my grandmother at the hospital as she had a procedure done. I told her that's what took so long. She started to regularly ask me about my grandparents when I would visit Garden. Although this was a sweet gesture, my grandma was the absolute last thing I wanted to talk about before grabbing handfuls of Chinese booty while I'm being beat off. I told her that almost in those exact words and we shared a laugh. No politics, no religion, no family talk in the AMP.

Frankie

[Quriusmrk]

And that is why I hate politics so much. Even in my youth, I hated social studies and learning about American history. Science and math were my subjects of passion because NUMBERS CAN NEVER LIE TO YOU. I've been straight with many women on this. I don't care what side you belong to. I just want to cum in your mouth.

But your story reminds me of my falling out with Kiara. This nutty Latina would strap herself up like a suicide bomber to rescue Trump from jail. Like that's how much of a zealot she is to the Republican Party. Which is ironic in an of itself considering she's from Columbia and in this country illegally. She supports the dude who would kick her out of this country and erect a wall to prevent her from ever making it back to US soil.

As Leguizamo once said, Latinos for trump are like insects supporting Raid! During my first massage session with her happened to be around the time Biden got elected and she was going off about how the election was rigged and yada yada yada. I made the grand mistake of telling her I voted for the guy, and look, I'm neither republican or democrat and if I'm being honest I hate both presidential candidates. For the last 20 years and maybe even longer than that our democracy has been a joke and I think South Park said it best that ultimately our choice boils down to a douche or a turd sandwich. Pick your poison.

But as with all devout political nut jobs. If you're not with them. Your against them. Now at first I thought it was playful. Kiara was a nutcase but when we started fucking she kept calling me Biden, stupid gringo. It was roleplay and kinda hot. I mean this lady was crazy but she was also smoking hot, so there's a tolerance factor and let's just say she wasn't near my threshold of stupid shit she could say before I lost my erection.

But after multiple visits with her. It was clear that because I did not share her view on why the political insurrectionists on January 6th aren't heroes she was going to stop seeing me and providing me services. Basically being the political centrist that I am instantly branded me as a liberal democrat and thus I was her mortal enemy. She stopped taking my calls and when I tried to see her in person at her place of work I was told to go home and she would not service me. Quite pathetic but yeah the lesson here is to just shut your mouth when it comes to politics or find a way to lie through your teeth and indulge their idiotic fantasies.

Politics. The great divider.I would agree that politics is the great divider which is why I scratch my head about these posts. Why would someone (two guys for that matter) decide to use posting space to condemn political behavior all the while doing the same themselves. Is the story you shared really worth the division you potentially sew with your thinly veiled political positions?

[TheDrowned]

I would agree that politics is the great divider which is why I scratch my head about these posts. Why would someone (two guys for that matter) decide to use posting space to condemn political behavior all the while doing the same themselves. Is the story you shared really worth the division you potentially sew with your thinly veiled political positions?I cannot tell if this post is simply rage baiting and the last thing I want to do is devolve this section into a political argument only to incur the wrath of A2, so I'll keep it simple.

I think most people on this board see these stories for what it is. Entertainment. When I say I'm dead center when it comes to politics, I should be more clear. I don't give a fuck either way. It's not my job to after all; I promise you man I'm not looking for votes here. So I am not trying to grandstand and say that I am right or wrong and I am not looking down upon anybody else's political ideology so long as they don't take it to the extreme. (And I'm quite confident most people don't).

Too much of anything isn't a good thing. That's not politics, that's science. The only difference between the cure and the poison is the dosage after all.

Anyway it's just a tale. The intention of which was to draw a few chuckles, not turn it into a twitter rant. Besides, the behavior that I am condemning isn't politics it's talking about politics when all I'm trying to do is bust a nut. I came from a society where 2 people can have different ideals but maintain a modicum of respect for one another and that was the mistake I had made in engaging small talk with an individual who cannot do the same. That's the takeaway here.

[Member #6802]

I cannot tell if this post is simply rage baiting and the last thing I want to do is devolve this section into a political argument only to incur the wrath of A2, so I'll keep it simple.

I think most people on this board see these stories for what it is. Entertainment. When I say I'm dead center when it comes to politics, I should be more clear. I don't give a fuck either way. It's not my job to after all; I promise you man I'm not looking for votes here. So I am not trying to grandstand and say that I am right or wrong and I am not looking down upon anybody else's political ideology so long as they don't take it to the extreme. (And I'm quite confident most people don't).

Too much of anything isn't a good thing. That's not politics, that's science. The only difference between the cure and the poison is the dosage after all.

Anyway it's just a tale. The intention of which was to draw a few chuckles, not turn it into a twitter rant. Besides, the behavior that I am condemning isn't politics it's talking about politics when all I'm trying to do is bust a nut. I came from a society where 2 people can have different ideals but maintain a modicum of respect for one another and that was the mistake I had made in engaging small talk with an individual who cannot do the same. That's the takeaway here.Personally, I don't care to see politics discussed here. Too many other venues for those discussions.

Likewise, I believe we should respect other's opinions about politics even if we disagree. After all, they are just opinions. Peel back the layers and really no different than our opinions on which is better, coke or Pepsi? Ask enough people and I'm sure you'll find someone willing to get in heated debate about it.

Back to the point of politics with your massage. One can always choose to leave and / or not return. Or simply tell provider that our opinions differ, let's talk about something else.

[TheDrowned]

Personally, I don't care to see politics discussed here. Too many other venues for those discussions.

Likewise, I believe we should respect other's opinions about politics even if we disagree. After all, they are just opinions. Peel back the layers and really no different than our opinions on which is better, coke or Pepsi? Ask enough people and I'm sure you'll find someone willing to get in heated debate about it.

Back to the point of politics with your massage. One can always choose to leave and / or not return. Or simply tell provider that our opinions differ, let's talk about something else.Strongly agree with you on this. This is indeed the correct approach to take.

I don't think I sold you guys on just how unhinged my provider was. Extremism is the straw that broke the camels back here. Many Vietnamese providers for instance are pro-republicans and have an admiration for trump and I had BBFS with quite a few them in various nail salons over the years. Genuine connections on many things. Just not politics.

In Kiaras case. Maybe I should of towed the line a bit more carefully in hindsight and chose to distance myself from that kind of topic entirely. I opened Pandora's box there and couldn't close the lid in time. PM me if you want her number, you can see for yourself what I’m talking about.

[Frank Digitola]

I would agree that politics is the great divider which is why I scratch my head about these posts. Why would someone (two guys for that matter) decide to use posting space to condemn political behavior all the while doing the same themselves. Is the story you shared really worth the division you potentially sew with your thinly veiled political positions?So wait. Brahs here expressed interest in seeing a provider. I saw said provider, she brings up a political stance, I respond with neutrality upon which she cops an attitude with me. I outlined the details of said encounter and offer to provide legitimate pics of the aforementioned provider whose appearance has been shrouded in mystery. That's using up posting space? Isn't that what this posting space is for?

[TheOuroboros]

So wait. Brahs here expressed interest in seeing a provider. I saw said provider, she brings up a political stance, I respond with neutrality upon which she cops an attitude with me. I outlined the details of said encounter and offer to provide legitimate pics of the aforementioned provider whose appearance has been shrouded in mystery. That's using up posting space? Isn't that what this posting space is for?The guy posts on average 4 times a year. Only 1-2 of which is contributing info, which is more than most I guess, but yet complains about wasting space on the board.

It's adorable.

[Admin2]

"I'm so glad WE got Mr Trump out of office right? Right? Right Frank?" I pleasantly reply with "The only office I care about is your office and this time I have with you. Know what I mean? Haha.
The second you wrote his name in any context we were off to the races. You could put up a post that only said.

Trump Biden.

Nothing more and it would start a fight.


And that is why I hate politics so much.Clearly you do not, clearly you are left leaning that's why you said "Latinas supporting Trump are like roaches supporting RAID. ".

You even said it, you voted for Biden. The OP tried to just report that the chick ruined the session with talk about politics but you were the one who made it political.

My best friend loves Trump, with a passion, he believes he's the best way for the country to move forward. He knows I have thought Trump was a clown since the 80's (I'm originally from back east, he's a douche) but on the rare occasions we talk about it we try to make it about positions and facts.

I'm a life long liberal and we clearly have a President who's nearly incapacitated in the White House just like the other side had in the 80's, facts are facts Biden is pretty far gone as was Reagan towards the end of his presidency. (before you jump in watch his testimony on the Iran Contra shit and then say something).

This is why we don't allow people to talk about politics AT ALL on review threads.

The first brother could have said "I couldn't believe it, in the middle of this BJ she starts bringing up all this political shit" then nobody know what side she's one and the rest of you respond with.

"Yeah that would suck if some chick started doing that in a session".

And it's over.

If you must take a side take it in the stupid shit thread.

A2.

[TheDrowned]

The second you wrote his name in any context we were off to the races. You could put up a post that only said.

Trump Biden.

Nothing more and it would start a fight.

Clearly you do not, clearly you are left leaning that's why you said "Latinas supporting Trump are like roaches supporting RAID. ".

You even said it, you voted for Biden. The OP tried to just report that the chick ruined the session with talk about politics but you were the one who made it political.

My best friend loves Trump, with a passion, he believes he's the best way for the country to move forward. He knows I have thought Trump was a clown since the 80's (I'm originally from back east, he's a douche) but on the rare occasions we talk about it we try to make it about positions and facts.

I'm a life long liberal and we clearly have a President who's nearly incapacitated in the White House just like the other side had in the 80's, facts are facts Biden is pretty far gone as was Reagan towards the end of his presidency. (before you jump in watch his testimony on the Iran Contra shit and then say something).

This is why we don't allow people to talk about politics AT ALL on review threads.

The first brother could have said "I couldn't believe it, in the middle of this BJ she starts bringing up all this political shit" then nobody know what side she's one and the rest of you respond with.

"Yeah that would suck if some chick started doing that in a session".

And it's over.

If you must take a side take it in the stupid shit thread.

A2.True stuff. Can't even complain with that. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. Let the politics drown in stupid shit.

[Member #6802]

Strongly agree with you on this. This is indeed the correct approach to take.

I don't think I sold you guys on just how unhinged my provider was. Extremism is the straw that broke the camels back here. Many Vietnamese providers for instance are pro-republicans and have an admiration for trump and I had BBFS with quite a few them in various nail salons over the years. Genuine connections on many things. Just not politics.

In Kiaras case. Maybe I should of towed the line a bit more carefully in hindsight and chose to distance myself from that kind of topic entirely. I opened Pandora's box there and couldn't close the lid in time. PM me if you want her number, you can see for yourself what Im talking about.If a monger wore a MAGA hat or shirt in there, do you think she'd give a discount? LOL, joking to help get back to lighter side.

[Serpin58]

Your all trash. Cook your hamburgers and hotdogs- pretend to run on errands.

Your all garbage- complete trash.

[Quriusmrk]

The second you wrote his name in any context we were off to the races. You could put up a post that only said.

Trump Biden.

Nothing more and it would start a fight.

Clearly you do not, clearly you are left leaning that's why you said "Latinas supporting Trump are like roaches supporting RAID. ".

You even said it, you voted for Biden. The OP tried to just report that the chick ruined the session with talk about politics but you were the one who made it political.

My best friend loves Trump, with a passion, he believes he's the best way for the country to move forward. He knows I have thought Trump was a clown since the 80's (I'm originally from back east, he's a douche) but on the rare occasions we talk about it we try to make it about positions and facts.

I'm a life long liberal and we clearly have a President who's nearly incapacitated in the White House just like the other side had in the 80's, facts are facts Biden is pretty far gone as was Reagan towards the end of his presidency. (before you jump in watch his testimony on the Iran Contra shit and then say something).

This is why we don't allow people to talk about politics AT ALL on review threads.

The first brother could have said "I couldn't believe it, in the middle of this BJ she starts bringing up all this political shit" then nobody know what side she's one and the rest of you respond with.

"Yeah that would suck if some chick started doing that in a session".

And it's over.

If you must take a side take it in the stupid shit thread.

A2.Exactly my point.