BBFS Providers Manhattan

[PokerBrah]

She's not bad; will post the feedbacks asap.

Just saw her multiple times today; will post follow ups.

So you're saying they are the same girl?

Rurika https://10tenclub.com/view/442

https://www.pleasure-palace.club/misatorurika

I do see some resemblance but I would not if you didn't say they were the same girl

edit: god damn you write too much wall of text. can't read all that much!

[PokerBrah]

Laura PPC https://www.pleasure-palace.club/laura ass looks good.

[IronClad999]

https://10tenclub.com/view/442

Does anyone recognize? She looks familiar.

She's not bad; will post the feedbacks asap.

[IronClad999]

https://www.pleasure-palace.club/misatorurika

Looks like she was here in July at PPC and advertised as a JAV.

Just saw her multiple times today; will post follow ups.

[PokerBrah]

Yup and knowing how to read in between the lines of reviews so you know who to avoid.

Public reports of free BBFS are shills trying to get people through the door

If it's reported as FREE, there is no challenge and boring and low interest. Unless she's hot then I'll go still

Ah, this explains why we can't seem to get you off your ass to see popular girls. For me, I understand why many want to get in the room first because the girls are maybe more flexible on negotiations. But for me, I like to wait a week first to make sure the girl is "proven". My success rate is 90% on 7+ days. I go in there like a hurricane and the girls probably think I am insane (I speak 100 miles a minute) but they realize that they want to see me again so they work with me. I also skip girls when initial reports are free BBFS. I actually get a high off the negotiations.

Same. LOL.

[ShyNerdX]

Yes. People who can actually do some analysis are the winners in this MSRP game.

Yup and knowing how to read in between the lines of reviews so you know who to avoid.

Ah, this explains why we can't seem to get you off your ass to see popular girls. For me, I understand why many want to get in the room first because the girls are maybe more flexible on negotiations. But for me, I like to wait a week first to make sure the girl is "proven". My success rate is 90% on 7+ days. I go in there like a hurricane and the girls probably think I am insane (I speak 100 miles a minute) but they realize that they want to see me again so they work with me. I also skip girls when initial reports are free BBFS. I actually get a high off the negotiations.

Public reports of free BBFS are shills trying to get people through the door unless proven (Yume). That's also why I avoid popular girls because the hype is driving them (more shills / simps) I've had much better luck avoiding those girls and going based off of what I like and if it's day 1-2, that formula has worked well for me so don't fix what's not broken. But it's not like I'm sleeping completely, there are UTR girls that I'm seeing that still give me freebies who normally don't publicly offer them.

[DrunkenKid]

would rather coin flip day 1-2 than to coin flip days 3+, statistics show most people aren't willing to TOFTT on new girls, the ones that do are either 1. Credible mongers or 2. Shills aka you have your coin flip.

Ah, this explains why we can't seem to get you off your ass to see popular girls. For me, I understand why many want to get in the room first because the girls are maybe more flexible on negotiations. But for me, I like to wait a week first to make sure the girl is "proven". My success rate is 90% on 7+ days. I go in there like a hurricane and the girls probably think I am insane (I speak 100 miles a minute) but they realize that they want to see me again so they work with me. I also skip girls when initial reports are free BBFS. I actually get a high off the negotiations.

[JavLuvr]

I don't have enough data on this, but it has come up in conversations after multiple sessions with some JGirls. In general, the new ones are getting less than 50% of the hourly fee. Girls that come back for another tour are smarter and on the other side of the 50%.

The best deal that I have heard about? One popular girl that was here for 2 months was getting 60% and her agent fees were being paid by the house.

It varies between stores and agents. I think in Manhattan the store takes at most 50% of the total fee. I've had two situations where the house fee was (I think) waived in its entirety. Once was at 10 TC and it was $100 house fee out of a $300 HH base price. Another time was at Nurugirls, house fee there was $120 out of $320 H base price. Obviously if the girl is Japanese, there's the agent as well, who takes another 10%. This is why extra tips are so important to J-girls, they kinda get a raw deal on the base price split compared to C-girls. Although some may be smart / popular enough to try and negotiate a more favorable arrangement.

In Flushing it's more like a 60/40 split with the house taking at least 60%. I think when you buy an overpriced Flushing C-girl for $500 H she only keeps maybe $200-$240. Part of the reason the damn prices are so high is that Chinese operators take a hefty house fee. CA has K-orgs where you can fuck comparable girls for like 300 H with BB included. The main reason for the lower rates is the house doesn't take a huge cut. They also don't have as much overhead and have fewer peeps on the payroll. Some of these popular places in Flushing / LA are operating out of upscale single family homes and sometimes even a mansion. They got bills to pay!

[PokerBrah]

Disclaimer: I have no real intel, but this is me projecting business trends as I am a business owner of 4 businesses. This is just what I'm seeing and it's the same as any business, stay competitive to stay relevant that's all it is.

Yes. People who can actually do some analysis are the winners in this MSRP game.

[PokerBrah]

I don't have enough data on this, but it has come up in conversations after multiple sessions with some JGirls. In general, the new ones are getting less than 50% of the hourly fee. Girls that come back for another tour are smarter and on the other side of the 50%.

The best deal that I have heard about? One popular girl that was here for 2 months was getting 60% and her agent fees were being paid by the house.

Good enough data.

[DrunkenKid]

Does anyone know the general split a girl takes from an hour rate?

I don't have enough data on this, but it has come up in conversations after multiple sessions with some JGirls. In general, the new ones are getting less than 50% of the hourly fee. Girls that come back for another tour are smarter and on the other side of the 50%.

The best deal that I have heard about? One popular girl that was here for 2 months was getting 60% and her agent fees were being paid by the house.

[ShyNerdX]

I do think CIP MSRP is still around because girls getting a bit lower cut on the regular session price so they hope to get it back on the CIP MSRP. They're just fucking retarded because why would anyone want to pay $200 for CIP if half is $230. CIP $200 for full hour $360 is also expersive but why the fuck would anyone pay $200 for half hour CIP? Like. It's 1 shot vs 2 shots.

Some girl know the value of repeat and getting $100 CIP and repeats is better for the overall bottom line. Some would do it even lower since multiple visits would yield more $ in the end.

Exactly, that's why I was saying it's the shills and simps that are brainwashing the girls. They're probably feeding them stuff like "I'm VIP and write a lot of reviews, you shouldn't lower prices but if you give me $20-40 discount I'll help you out" or however they work I have no idea. My success rate of seeing a girl on day 1 is 90% vs day 3+ which is a 50/50 coin flip. And it could also be the long standing girls who say "don't budge from 100/200" because they are flexible themselves UTR to get that business from the new girls. If it was up to me, if my sources don't tell me a girl is flexi and it's day 3++ I won't visit the girl. I would rather coin flip day 1-2 than to coin flip days 3+, statistics show most people aren't willing to TOFTT on new girls, the ones that do are either 1. Credible mongers or 2. Shills aka you have your coin flip.

Disclaimer: I have no real intel, but this is me projecting business trends as I am a business owner of 4 businesses. This is just what I'm seeing and it's the same as any business, stay competitive to stay relevant that's all it is.

[PokerBrah]

Go out on top? Not exactly. She is still laughing all the way to the bank LOL.

Not sure if you understood what I meant. Go out on top as is not have to pay MSRP.

I don't care if she makes money. That's her job. Good for her.

[ShyNerdX]

I'm pretty new to the NYC / East coast scene, but am a vet in California and especially in SF Bay. I don't think you are going to get price drops during the current glut of providers. You are much more likely to get either a more open menu from some girls (2 girl shows, Greek) or what you are seeing now, which is girls trying to show the illusion of scarcity by only working in one place for a short time and then moving to a different city or moving to another org under a different name. Most guys like novelty and are far more likely to see the new hotness vs the known quantity, unless it's a stunner that gives good service who can essentially name her own price because her dance card is going to be full regardless.

To use economic terms, I think the $460/560 price is relatively inelastic not (only) because of the simps but because Jgirls that are giving BB service in a soapland in Kyushuu where the yen is in the toilet hear through word of mouth that they could be making the going rate and are on the first plane to JFK, only to have to compete with every other girl that's done the same along with the existing cast of Kgirls and Cgirls.

I doubt prices will drop much because you aren't going to get simps or anyone else to freeze out these girls, or turn down the upcharge.

But you said it yourself "to compete with the other girls", the shills and simps are feeding these thoughts to them hoping that they can match that offer here in NYC. The be competitive they need to be flexible or lower their prices because once mongers hear "blah blah is flexible or giving $100" they will flock to her causing a surge in high demand. It's a supply and demand business, over saturated like some are saying mongers are now looking at reviews and perks on to see. If someone offers better upcharge, than of course they will go see that provider. It's the same for videos and videophiles, I bet if the upcharge price is $100 or less you will see many video mongers. I've heard from multiple provider sources that the girls that are known to be $100 or less are seeing 8-10++ guys a day where as the girls offering $200 firm are only seeing 4-6 a day.

Can't be comparing City to City because much like economics the cost of living is different in each city so the income will be higher or lower. It's really about people feeding the girls false hope and dreams that every monger will pay the same which is 7/10 not the case.

[JediNY]

I do think CIP MSRP is still around because girls getting a bit lower cut on the regular session price so they hope to get it back on the CIP MSRP. They're just fucking retarded because why would anyone want to pay $200 for CIP if half is $230. CIP $200 for full hour $360 is also expersive but why the fuck would anyone pay $200 for half hour CIP? Like. It's 1 shot vs 2 shots.

Assuming you want the $200 CIP, it is $430 for the half and $560 for the hour.

Assuming you can pop number 2, that is still an extra $130 you need to pay.

Some folks may not want to pay the $130. No need to throw more money than needed at that pussy.