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  1. #21718

    Objects in mirror are closer than they appear

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrowned  [View Original Post]
    When I was a newbie to the scene I fell for a Thai provider and like Icarus I flew too close to the sun and got burned. She told me that she cared about me greatly and gave me some sob story that she needed quick money or she'll be evicted from her apartment. I gave her $1000 in cash and she told me she would pay me back within a few days.

    I never saw that money again. So don't get me wrong. I'm not defending any of these ladies. Their hearts don't bleed in red, they bleed in green and that's going to be the only outcome in this dance. You know it. I know it.

    But that doesn't mean we have to treat these woman like dirt either. I follow the church of the pilot aviator and truly believe that regardless of their moral alignment, we must be nice to the ladies and treat them with respect.

    You don't have to become a monster to defeat one.

    "Manners maketh man" great quote. Great movie BTW.

    But I've been in the game sometime and I can also agree with Top here, the Thai market has been on a nosedive as of late and I feel like Icarus isn't the only one plummeting to his doom.

    I tried to make to make an appointment with this one here.

    https://rubmd.com/washington-dc/2ff7...4ab08b70?ref=p

    And I didn't even make it past the screening. She asked for my name age and even a picture and after all was said and done she said she will pass on me and blocked me. First time that's ever happened.

    I've taken more Ls lately than I care to admit. So either my well of luck has run dry, or I'm due for some big score soon to balance the scales.

    The tides rise, and we must rise to meet it, lest we perish and drown.
    Singed previously myself. Human mind plays tricks with stories made not based on reality.

    As many here, I've had close relationships or perhaps they appeared close with providers in the past. The difference is while bodies may have opened, emotions and deep intimacy were missing. Not saying that's one way or the other or perhaps your experience was different, it just was for me. Like it's sunny out. Nothing more or less.

    This is a business transaction. While it's tempting to think of oneself as"special" and yes, there are instances with at occurs, for the most part a service is provided for a fee. Yes YMMV or past performance is no guarantee of future results, we play the game.

    While we may hold expectations, the humaneness of this service is variable. Kinda like your favorite sports team, they may be awesome but some days things don't click. We just caulk it up in the W-L column. You hope there will be more W than Ls. The same with this game.

    One the cool things about this site, you get a free scouting report. So you have a sense what to expect if you play the game.

    Nothing is perfect. So I play this game with kindness and gratitude.

  2. #21717

    It's a common story

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnySalami  [View Original Post]
    I agree. They shouldn't be treated as dirt. No provider whatever accuse me of being anything less than polite and friendly. Someone also mentioned that they all have to be damaged goods working in this business. I agree with that too, but I'll add that a lot of them are damaged goods because of this business and not because of some horrible situation they came from. Keeping up with the lies is no small challenge. Cycling through boyfriend after boyfriend everytime they find out, living a lie, and getting splooged in 5 to 10 times a day by guys whom you have no actual connection with is bound to take its toll.
    I dated a Thai girl that was from a pretty well to do family, she was here as a student here. We dated for a few months, had great sex and got along great. She moved back to Thailand, so we ended it. A few years later she was in LA working at a massage shop. I kind gave her the run down on how she could make much more more money by going into business on BP and keeping all of the profit for herself. She has been doing this for probably 10 years now. She recently visited the area and we met up. We hooked up as expected, but this time she was barely going through the motions. At the end, she asked for a payment. I was like, GTFO, no way. LOL, guess we don't talk anymore. No sweat for me.

  3. #21716

    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrowned  [View Original Post]
    When I was a newbie to the scene I fell for a Thai provider and like Icarus I flew too close to the sun and got burned. She told me that she cared about me greatly and gave me some sob story that she needed quick money or she'll be evicted from her apartment. I gave her $1000 in cash and she told me she would pay me back within a few days.

    I never saw that money again. So don't get me wrong. I'm not defending any of these ladies. Their hearts don't bleed in red, they bleed in green and that's going to be the only outcome in this dance. You know it. I know it.

    But that doesn't mean we have to treat these woman like dirt either. I follow the church of the pilot aviator and truly believe that regardless of their moral alignment, we must be nice to the ladies and treat them with respect.

    You don't have to become a monster to defeat one.

    "Manners maketh man" great quote. Great movie BTW.

    But I've been in the game sometime and I can also agree with Top here, the Thai market has been on a nosedive as of late and I feel like Icarus isn't the only one plummeting to his doom.

    I tried to make to make an appointment with this one here.

    https://rubmd.com/washington-dc/2ff7...4ab08b70?ref=p

    And I didn't even make it past the screening. She asked for my name age and even a picture and after all was said and done she said she will pass on me and blocked me. First time that's ever happened.

    I've taken more Ls lately than I care to admit. So either my well of luck has run dry, or I'm due for some big score soon to balance the scales.

    The tides rise, and we must rise to meet it, lest we perish and drown.
    I agree. They shouldn't be treated as dirt. No provider whatever accuse me of being anything less than polite and friendly. Someone also mentioned that they all have to be damaged goods working in this business. I agree with that too, but I'll add that a lot of them are damaged goods because of this business and not because of some horrible situation they came from. Keeping up with the lies is no small challenge. Cycling through boyfriend after boyfriend everytime they find out, living a lie, and getting splooged in 5 to 10 times a day by guys whom you have no actual connection with is bound to take its toll.

  4. #21715
    Quote Originally Posted by SexyD  [View Original Post]
    I dated one. It was all lies. Their skill is extracting money from men. Most are pretty good at it. If you see it for what it is, protect yourself and enjoy. But I keep my emotional distance and I am smart enough to not belive what they tell me. You can't work in this business and not be damaged goods, some more damaged than others.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tophat31  [View Original Post]
    Anyways the whole Thai network isn't what it used to be, at least right now. Hopefully things get better.
    When I was a newbie to the scene I fell for a Thai provider and like Icarus I flew too close to the sun and got burned. She told me that she cared about me greatly and gave me some sob story that she needed quick money or she'll be evicted from her apartment. I gave her $1000 in cash and she told me she would pay me back within a few days.

    I never saw that money again. So don't get me wrong. I'm not defending any of these ladies. Their hearts don't bleed in red, they bleed in green and that's going to be the only outcome in this dance. You know it. I know it.

    But that doesn't mean we have to treat these woman like dirt either. I follow the church of the pilot aviator and truly believe that regardless of their moral alignment, we must be nice to the ladies and treat them with respect.

    You don't have to become a monster to defeat one.

    "Manners maketh man" great quote. Great movie BTW.

    But I've been in the game sometime and I can also agree with Top here, the Thai market has been on a nosedive as of late and I feel like Icarus isn't the only one plummeting to his doom.

    I tried to make to make an appointment with this one here.

    https://rubmd.com/washington-dc/2ff7...4ab08b70?ref=p

    And I didn't even make it past the screening. She asked for my name age and even a picture and after all was said and done she said she will pass on me and blocked me. First time that's ever happened.

    I've taken more Ls lately than I care to admit. So either my well of luck has run dry, or I'm due for some big score soon to balance the scales.

    The tides rise, and we must rise to meet it, lest we perish and drown.

  5. #21714

    My 2 cents

    KK has been around for many years, as we all know. She has a great service but also pretty much sits at the top of the Thai massage network. She used to be able to refer you to who is in town and what their menu is. She was really great about that and I hand had many 4 hands with her over the years. FS is on the menu if she is comfortable with you. In fact I did BBFS one time with her many years ago which wasn't planned, I think she just got turned on. This was at her old spa, I just remember having to be quiet.

    She is different now. I can't quite pinpoint when she changed but she would always reward long time regulars with good service for a set price, no upsell ever. Now though it's like she pushes insane prices for anything outside of her norm. She also comes across as annoyed whenever I interact with her.

    Not sure if anyone had noticed this. As far as Apple, did BBFS way back in the beginning. She used to be Patty BTW way back in the day. I thought at the time I had a good connection and reference from kk so that's why I got BBFS but quickly realized not the case. She is freaky but not in an extreme way from my knowledge.

    Anyways the whole Thai network isn't what it used to be, at least right now. Hopefully things get better.

  6. #21713

    The link to Emma

    Rookie mistake. Forgot the link.

    https://us-nova.bedpage.com/bodyrubs.../12935302.html

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnySalami  [View Original Post]
    On another note I saw Emma over in the Tysons area. She's not the girl in the pictures, and definitely more of a bbw. But that's fine with me. She gave me the address info and I got to her professional studio. She went over a tour of all the services they provide and I'm not talking about the extras that we all go for. I got a tad concerned at that point. Anyway, she asked me what problem areas she should focus on. I got on the after she left the room and she came back to get started on the hour session. She did a pretty good job and successfully addressed my issues with my back. I was actually pretty impressed. About 15 minutes into it she lightly touched tickled my undercarriage which a nice. She revisited the area quite a few more times. After a while she encouraged me to flip. After that she dropped her top and put the nips in my mouth. She went down south and licked my joystick for a while which was nice. I got an almost bbj. She probably went about a 1/4 of the way down my cock. Felt fantastic but she then switched to HJ which was a bummer. But it was pretty good for an HJ and got the job done. I'm not sure if I'll repeat because I'm not sure that the menu will actually open up anymore and I hate coming back to see if more will happen. I prefer to be sure but that's just me.

    Face: 6.

    Body: 6 but bbw.

    HJ: 7.

  7. #21712

    Four Season

    Visited Four Season Wellness in Annandale the other night randomly. Asked for half hour and TS but they did not offer me one. Got a probably like mid 50's skinny lady as my MT who was very mechanical in her work. After about 20 minutes of massage she made me flip and gave the most half assed HJ possible. I didn't even finish so I tipped accordingly and left. All in all, very lackluster experience.

    Dm6.

  8. #21711

    I wouldn't worry

    Quote Originally Posted by JustALoner  [View Original Post]
    It might be nothing but I thought I'd just report this for anyone who is as paranoid as I am.

    I was in the Annandale Medical Center off Backlick and Braddock, the one next to a Giant grocery store and home to a few MPs. I saw Uncle LEO's car parked pretty much in front of Magic / Barney's place. Just thought some people here would like to know.
    I've seen patrol cars posted up there many times over the years. Think it's just their usual post up spot for catching people speeding on Backlick, so I wouldn't worry too much if I were you.

  9. #21710

    Good review j

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnySalami  [View Original Post]
    On another note I saw Emma over in the Tysons area. She's not the girl in the pictures, and definitely more of a bbw. But that's fine with me. She gave me the address info and I got to her professional studio. She went over a tour of all the services they provide and I'm not talking about the extras that we all go for. I got a tad concerned at that point. Anyway, she asked me what problem areas she should focus on. I got on the after she left the room and she came back to get started on the hour session. She did a pretty good job and successfully addressed my issues with my back. I was actually pretty impressed. About 15 minutes into it she lightly touched tickled my undercarriage which a nice. She revisited the area quite a few more times. After a while she encouraged me to flip. After that she dropped her top and put the nips in my mouth. She went down south and licked my joystick for a while which was nice. I got an almost bbj. She probably went about a 1/4 of the way down my cock. Felt fantastic but she then switched to HJ which was a bummer. But it was pretty good for an HJ and got the job done. I'm not sure if I'll repeat because I'm not sure that the menu will actually open up anymore and I hate coming back to see if more will happen. I prefer to be sure but that's just me.

    Face: 6.

    Body: 6 but bbw.

    HJ: 7.
    Thanks for info.

  10. #21709

    Mature Emma Tysons

    On another note I saw Emma over in the Tysons area. She's not the girl in the pictures, and definitely more of a bbw. But that's fine with me. She gave me the address info and I got to her professional studio. She went over a tour of all the services they provide and I'm not talking about the extras that we all go for. I got a tad concerned at that point. Anyway, she asked me what problem areas she should focus on. I got on the after she left the room and she came back to get started on the hour session. She did a pretty good job and successfully addressed my issues with my back. I was actually pretty impressed. About 15 minutes into it she lightly touched tickled my undercarriage which a nice. She revisited the area quite a few more times. After a while she encouraged me to flip. After that she dropped her top and put the nips in my mouth. She went down south and licked my joystick for a while which was nice. I got an almost bbj. She probably went about a 1/4 of the way down my cock. Felt fantastic but she then switched to HJ which was a bummer. But it was pretty good for an HJ and got the job done. I'm not sure if I'll repeat because I'm not sure that the menu will actually open up anymore and I hate coming back to see if more will happen. I prefer to be sure but that's just me.

    Face: 6.

    Body: 6 but bbw.

    HJ: 7.

  11. #21708
    I dated one. It was all lies. Their skill is extracting money from men. Most are pretty good at it. If you see it for what it is, protect yourself and enjoy. But I keep my emotional distance and I am smart enough to not belive what they tell me. You can't work in this business and not be damaged goods, some more damaged than others.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnySalami  [View Original Post]
    Consider this. This industry is built on lies. Lies to their families, lies to friends, lies to boyfriends or husbands. Why on earth would you assume that they have all been in abusive situations? Because that's what they said? That's a very convenient truth. Most of these girls don't go around flaunting what they do for work. They all have lies and cover stories that they tell their friends. Why would you assume that they're 100% honest with the mongers? Most of them likely feel like they to have to explain why they do this job because you are a seemingly normal guy and they know what society thinks of them. I would think it would be a perfectly natural to feel like you have to explain why you work in this line of work. That's not to say that some of them haven't been in abusive relationships, but I severely doubt that most of them are telling the truth. The next question that comes up naturally is so why would they do this kind of work unless they were abused or in some sort of trouble? The answer is easy. Money, and being too lazy to go earn it. It's a quick shortcut to put money in their pockets to feed their families or spend partying or whatever they'd like to do with it.

    Here's another angle to consider. Let's go under the assumption that one of them was in an abusive relationship or multiple abusive relationships. What would you do if you suddenly found out one day that you are wife or significant other was getting pounded for money by multiple dudes daily or a few days a week or whatever? Imagine you found that out and you had absolutely no idea before that. Your world would come crashing down. You might not be a woman beater but it would certainly be understandable if you snapped and roughed the girl up. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's not an uncommon outcome. People have been known to do crazy shit over pussy. Turn on forensic files or 48 hours to see all the crazy shit men do when their pussy gets fucked with.

    I bring all of this up because this is the second time in the last week or so that I saw someone bring up something defending these girls as being so innocent. Again remember you're talking with girls whose lives depend on lies. Don't believe everything they tell you. How many of us have seen those new specials about how all of these girls are trafficked and they live in subpar conditions? Of course most of us on this board know that sometimes that's the case. But most of the time it's not. Most of them do this quite willingly and live in nice places with plenty of money with exception of those with severe drug problems. Shed no tears. Most of them have a choice. They didn't all get beat up and abused and have no other choice but I turn to this horrible life. Don't believe that shit even for a second because they are all very accustomed to lying.

    I don't mean that to sound disrespectful. That's just the reality. That's the game.

  12. #21707

    Another perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrowned  [View Original Post]
    Apple is also off my list; I try to get to know providers personally and build a report. Some mongers will contend with this statement but even with sex for money, I still think there is a level of chemistry involved and some providers I click with and some I don't. I'm a sucker for backstory and character development. I like to know about there's girls, be it the struggles of their past or their aspirations for the future.

    Apple, admittedly, as most girls in this predicament often do, has a rough past and comes from a line of abusive boyfriends and vast physical abuse. And even though the marks left on her body may heal, the marks left on her psyche do not. I've only ever did a few sessions with Apple (covered only) and I like to think myself a gentleman. So I can't talk explicitly about her wild and twisted side but given this knowledge and from our conversations it wouldn't surprise me if she likes the abuse. She wanted to go to school and get her degree in medicine which I think she's obtained at this point. Yet, she's still doing this line of work which really ought to make one reconsider.

    She's popular on the board by a vocal majority (which means there's even more mongers lurking the silent majority) and this talk of BBBJs and BBFS and how easy it seems to be obtained should give any monger pause. Apple isn't the type to give a massage either, most of the she's simply putting out one session after another. And if she's letting most clients piss right into her pool when they go for a swim. Well, that's as appealing as a slice of cake in the rain.

    Proceed with caution and don't always let the little brain win.
    Consider this. This industry is built on lies. Lies to their families, lies to friends, lies to boyfriends or husbands. Why on earth would you assume that they have all been in abusive situations? Because that's what they said? That's a very convenient truth. Most of these girls don't go around flaunting what they do for work. They all have lies and cover stories that they tell their friends. Why would you assume that they're 100% honest with the mongers? Most of them likely feel like they to have to explain why they do this job because you are a seemingly normal guy and they know what society thinks of them. I would think it would be a perfectly natural to feel like you have to explain why you work in this line of work. That's not to say that some of them haven't been in abusive relationships, but I severely doubt that most of them are telling the truth. The next question that comes up naturally is so why would they do this kind of work unless they were abused or in some sort of trouble? The answer is easy. Money, and being too lazy to go earn it. It's a quick shortcut to put money in their pockets to feed their families or spend partying or whatever they'd like to do with it.

    Here's another angle to consider. Let's go under the assumption that one of them was in an abusive relationship or multiple abusive relationships. What would you do if you suddenly found out one day that you are wife or significant other was getting pounded for money by multiple dudes daily or a few days a week or whatever? Imagine you found that out and you had absolutely no idea before that. Your world would come crashing down. You might not be a woman beater but it would certainly be understandable if you snapped and roughed the girl up. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's not an uncommon outcome. People have been known to do crazy shit over pussy. Turn on forensic files or 48 hours to see all the crazy shit men do when their pussy gets fucked with.

    I bring all of this up because this is the second time in the last week or so that I saw someone bring up something defending these girls as being so innocent. Again remember you're talking with girls whose lives depend on lies. Don't believe everything they tell you. How many of us have seen those new specials about how all of these girls are trafficked and they live in subpar conditions? Of course most of us on this board know that sometimes that's the case. But most of the time it's not. Most of them do this quite willingly and live in nice places with plenty of money with exception of those with severe drug problems. Shed no tears. Most of them have a choice. They didn't all get beat up and abused and have no other choice but I turn to this horrible life. Don't believe that shit even for a second because they are all very accustomed to lying.

    I don't mean that to sound disrespectful. That's just the reality. That's the game.

  13. #21706

    Uncle LEO Sighting

    It might be nothing but I thought I'd just report this for anyone who is as paranoid as I am.

    I was in the Annandale Medical Center off Backlick and Braddock, the one next to a Giant grocery store and home to a few MPs. I saw Uncle LEO's car parked pretty much in front of Magic / Barney's place. Just thought some people here would like to know.

  14. #21705

    This seems to be the first post

    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    Kk.

    Tara.

    Candy.

    Ronda.

    Zina.
    That states that Kk / Tara provide more than a HJ. Not sure if I've seen any other post stating that.

    Do they provide at the outset or after many visits?

  15. #21704
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrowned  [View Original Post]
    Apple is also off my list; I try to get to know providers personally and build a report. Some mongers will contend with this statement but even with sex for money, I still think there is a level of chemistry involved and some providers I click with and some I don't. I'm a sucker for backstory and character development. I like to know about there's girls, be it the struggles of their past or their aspirations for the future.

    Apple, admittedly, as most girls in this predicament often do, has a rough past and comes from a line of abusive boyfriends and vast physical abuse. And even though the marks left on her body may heal, the marks left on her psyche do not. I've only ever did a few sessions with Apple (covered only) and I like to think myself a gentleman. So I can't talk explicitly about her wild and twisted side but given this knowledge and from our conversations it wouldn't surprise me if she likes the abuse. She wanted to go to school and get her degree in medicine which I think she's obtained at this point. Yet, she's still doing this line of work which really ought to make one reconsider.

    She's popular on the board by a vocal majority (which means there's even more mongers lurking the silent majority) and this talk of BBBJs and BBFS and how easy it seems to be obtained should give any monger pause. Apple isn't the type to give a massage either, most of the she's simply putting out one session after another. And if she's letting most clients piss right into her pool when they go for a swim. Well, that's as appealing as a slice of cake in the rain.

    Proceed with caution and don't always let the little brain win.
    Wise words from both of y'all. Apple is the forbidden fruit from the Garden of Eve.

    She is not innocent as she claims.

    Don't take a bite.

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