The Woodshed

[PlayTiem]

Your going go to call me piece of shit for having the balls to defend myself. That's why guys like me who fought for this country, is the reason why little pussy fucks like you who didn't get laid high school, who have never lived up to a standard in life, who always cried for not getting a trophy for finishing last, but still got acknowledged for trying, is the reason why you grew up to be *****! Your a crybaby little simp bastard who does what your femboy pimp tells you what to do. So you say " how dare you shoot at anyone, you'll got to jail". "That's not how you treat a provider and her pimp". So I guess I'm suppose to stand there and let them rob me and be on my way right? That's just how it goes right? That's just the nature of the game right? And of course your going to say "well, you who had no business being there in the first place". Your right.

I had no business being in Afghanistan, but I was there. That doesn't mean you get to dictate my fate. There is people that have worked really hard and earned their right to exist on this planet. I can make a pretty good guess that 90% of these providers as well as their degenerate pimps haven't earned nothing in this lifetime. And if anything, they should all be castrated. Especially the ones who are going out their way take advantage of good people. This is why we can't have good things in this country.

I'm so sorry that your penis is so small, and you are so angry about it.

Please find a way to resolve your personal issues besides shooting people.

I believe that shooting people is a resort, but a last resort.

I've also got an adequately large cock (ask any of the providers that I've seen), and one that's been getting serviced not "didn't laid get high school", but "has been getting laid during and since high school" (notice the difference in grammar. Mine is correct), and am of a generation that doesn't believe in participation trophies.

Fucking drama queen.

[Red Talon]

I am seriously considering adding a rule prohibiting the discussion of guns or the right to carry on review threads.

I'm a staunch 2nd Amendment guy but some of you guys are whackadoodles.

A2

Seems like some are lying as no-one would be stupid enough to do what they are doing. Owning let alone carrying is a tremendous responsibility and some on here are acting like they are Dirty Harry.

[Admin2]

I am seriously considering adding a rule prohibiting the discussion of guns or the right to carry on review threads.

I'm a staunch 2nd Amendment guy but some of you guys are whackadoodles.

A2

[TopJimmie]

To bad about Karmen and the latest bad reviews on JAX Escorts thread. Got her kicked off STG as a result. I think its unfair that these providers have no recourse to dispute claims made against them. I know that she has a past and that can't be be helped. I know personally and from other guys that she's a trusted go too for fun and for the most part consistent.

She made an account under sexyscare and respectfully tried to tell her side of the story, I know this because she sent me a screen shot of it before up loading it. It never was posted by the moderator, don't know why but probably because it was disputing claims made by the original monger who posted the bad review. She showed me screenshots of text messages from the that day and let me tell you things are not what they seem.

Anyone who is interested in knowing the other side of this story can PM me and I'd be glad to share what I know first hand.

The pic was from yesterday, she had a bad day after the bad review and being kicked off STG so I payed her a visit. She did not disappoint.

Dude! We were told of a scenario involving attempts at armed robbery from karmen and some thugs. Now you're trying to say that you'll tell the other side of the story vis PM? Talk about a white knight!

This is a forum we use to protect one another from the everyday dangers of this very thing, which you are seemingly supportive of by immediately going to her rescue! Do not tell any such secret sob story defending this felony behavior!

Tell us on this public forum, or shut the fuck up! You're making a fool of yourself by sincerely discrediting every word you ever post to this site.

[Low Baller]

While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.

Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies).

Thanks, I do agree. Who does not remember learning about little George Washington cutting down a cherry tree and since he could not tell a lie he told the truth? And her was such a great guy, just like all the other founding fathers. Then we learn they were not perfect and it was baloney we were told in school. Yes, I agree with you! And the law is not on our side most of the time. Scouting was so all-American and wonderful until the dark secrets of scout leader sexual abuse and cover-up by the BSA brought them to bankruptcy. And cops are not bad but they are human and sometimes shaft people. Agreed. Thanks.

But, I must on my own fork off to the fairytale road to mongers' feeling about providers. We mongers get emotional when a provider lets us screw her puss and then calls us baby and says how we are her favorite guy, etc. Its easy for a provider to make us feel that we are special to her, how good we feel inside her. After all playing our emotions is an important part of how she makes a living. Mongers, it all is a fairytale! We are only $ in a provider's eyes. When we wake up and learn the truth we will not get sucked into over paying them. Sad but true, much of what we have been told or made to feel is just not true. Providers see us as $ and they need $ every day. We are horny and willing to give them some $ if they give us some relief. It is a money focused exchange and we need to be like Rick on Pawn Stars, learn to negotiate and say no if what the provider asks is crazy high.

[FlaWill]

While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.

Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies). This brings me to where I clarified in my next post, which was totally omitted in your post. "Under most circumstances this will not apply to any of us because most soliciting charges are misdemeanors, however; as someone else pointed out. If they (the provider and DB) wanted to argue you tried to rob THEM and they were protecting themselves, now you are in armed robbery territory. And it is multiple words against yours. Depending on who you know, what you look like, your profession, and your criminal history will greatly effect how this turns out. But it can absolutely be a nightmare for you for years, even if you "win" in the end. ".

It is a complete fallacy to assume the law is on your side. There are so many tactics a victim, or scam artist, or anyone can use to manipulate the law against you. By estimates, up to 10% of people in prison are innocent. There are about 2 million people in prison in the US at any given moment, that is 200,000 innocent people behind bars. And I would bet most of them thought the law was on their side. Just because you perceive the way a law SHOULD be, doesn't mean it is actually like that. If you think your word (the word of someone by their own admission is about to commit a crime) will be accepted as gospel, it is a quick ticket to prison. I do not bring up these situations to be argumentative or oppositional, but to be informative. I would prefer actual bad guys go to jail, instead of those of us trying to have relations between two (or more) consulting adults. It is common that those that have not had direct relationships with the law (either through defense, as a victim, attorney, or even a bailiff) has a misconception and distortion of what actually plays out in court. Trust me when I say, it is not what the media tells you, its not what politicians tell you, its not what you learned in K-12. It is much darker and less just than that. And what happens on the streets is even worse. It is not the police's job to catch bad guys, it is to arrest and fine people to justify their bloated budgets. Although they are not legally allowed to call them such, they all have quotas. It is not their job to decern what is right and wrong, or who the victim or defendant is. It is to arrest them and let the courts decide, either through a judge or jury; whether said person is innocent or not.

I'll just add this. Many holders of a CCW permit don’t remember all of what they read or were taught about where you cannot carry. Places like Court Houses, Airports, Schools, Premises openly serving alcohol readily come to mind but then there's also a place of nuisance. Don't remember that one or just skimmed over it? If you're unlucky enough to have a ambitious Prosecutor you might fall victim to a common prosecutorial tactic of overcharging someone then later reducing the charge. Each time you get charged again, you get arrested again and go through the process a second or third time. A friend went through this tactic for him to plea out. So, back to a place of nuisance. A place of prostitution qualifies and is mentioned in the Fla Statute. Then there's a place or location that's had a couple of armed robberies, assault and battery over a six month period, that too qualifies as a place of nuisance. Well, that rules out any hotel on Youngerman. So, if you're carrying in a place of nuisance be aware you may not be on as stable ground as you may think. Prosecutors have lots of ability to make life miserable in an already bad situation. Just be aware and be safe, evaluate your own circumstances, and continually assess your situation. USCCA isn't a bad option to have if a situation turns out bad.

[BudWhite]

So if you want to kill / rob someone, just invite them in your room and the law will protect them?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

My point is this isn't a clear cut case like everyone is making it out to be. He's in a room that isn't his with 4 people he doesn't know. They can say he broke in, that he was buying drugs from them, stalking the girl, or he was robbing them. No vigilante case is ever easy.

One thing is for certain. If he pulls a firearm just to wave it around to intimidate eventually he's going to draw on the wrong person. No more playing Sonic or Mario ever again after making that mistake

[JustinCider904]

So if you want to kill / rob someone, just invite them in your room and the law will protect them?

Under the context of what BW gave, yes. Who's to say who the actual victim is? Unless you are recording your interaction the entire time (which wouldn't be allowed as evidence to defend yourself anyway), what proof do you have that you were not the original assailant? They could argue, yes we are soliciting prostitution, yes we are using drugs, yes we know it is illegal, but people have a history of raping me and he (the DB) was just there to protect me. And just like you can invoke Marsy's law, so can they. It is not a given the truth will prevail in the legal system. Which is why I so adamantly defend BL's tactics by backing out without incident.

[JustinCider904]

Not making this into an argument, but for the record, any person engaged in a criminal offense as defined under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) is charged with having a weapon even if said weapon is not shown or carried. But under said statute, you must be committing one of eighteen felonies described in the code, such as murder. Arson, carjacking, aggravated assault, etc. BUT, the FL statute does not include solicitation as one of the 18 delineated crimes! So, reading the law instead of just giving my two-cents, it is clear that a monger legally carrying a gun and going to see a provider is not committing a felony just because he is carrying a gun! Intent or lack thereof is not an issue! Of course, if a monger pulls it out and waves it around saying he is a bad-ass, that is a different crime.

Ok, here is where FL Law gets cool: those DB that tried to rob B L committed an additional felony because they carried knives while attempting to rob B L. Robbery is one of the 18 listed felonies that can lead to an additional weapons charge. And it applies to much more than a firearm!

In fact, all this buzz over carrying a gun is misinformation because under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) a weapon for purposes of Florida law and criminal penalties includes a gun, any size knife, tear gas, tazar, pepper spray, brass knuckles and many other things, even if you only carry them! WTF if I am carrying a small pocket knife or sissy pepper spray and see a provider I am able to be charged with a felony even if I am only seeing a provider? No! And also same is you legally carry a gun and see a provider, you cannot be charged with a felony for that. But, if she says you tried to rape her after breaking in, then gun, pen knife or sissy pepper spray in your pocket all could result in a felony charge (but probably not a conviction since your phone shows you were invited, so she will be seen as a liar).

Bottomline, you can get nailed for carrying almost anything if you commit a felony, but seeing a provider is not a felony in Florida. So, relax mongers and avoid the misinformation, it is not an issue unless you do commit a felony.

While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.

Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies). This brings me to where I clarified in my next post, which was totally omitted in your post. "Under most circumstances this will not apply to any of us because most soliciting charges are misdemeanors, however; as someone else pointed out. If they (the provider and DB) wanted to argue you tried to rob THEM and they were protecting themselves, now you are in armed robbery territory. And it is multiple words against yours. Depending on who you know, what you look like, your profession, and your criminal history will greatly effect how this turns out. But it can absolutely be a nightmare for you for years, even if you "win" in the end. ".

It is a complete fallacy to assume the law is on your side. There are so many tactics a victim, or scam artist, or anyone can use to manipulate the law against you. By estimates, up to 10% of people in prison are innocent. There are about 2 million people in prison in the US at any given moment, that is 200,000 innocent people behind bars. And I would bet most of them thought the law was on their side. Just because you perceive the way a law SHOULD be, doesn't mean it is actually like that. If you think your word (the word of someone by their own admission is about to commit a crime) will be accepted as gospel, it is a quick ticket to prison. I do not bring up these situations to be argumentative or oppositional, but to be informative. I would prefer actual bad guys go to jail, instead of those of us trying to have relations between two (or more) consulting adults. It is common that those that have not had direct relationships with the law (either through defense, as a victim, attorney, or even a bailiff) has a misconception and distortion of what actually plays out in court. Trust me when I say, it is not what the media tells you, its not what politicians tell you, its not what you learned in K-12. It is much darker and less just than that. And what happens on the streets is even worse. It is not the police's job to catch bad guys, it is to arrest and fine people to justify their bloated budgets. Although they are not legally allowed to call them such, they all have quotas. It is not their job to decern what is right and wrong, or who the victim or defendant is. It is to arrest them and let the courts decide, either through a judge or jury; whether said person is innocent or not.

[EaglesSb]

This is 100% correct.

A CC permit is a license to carry concealed. Not a license to flash your brand new toy. Knives while considered deadly weapons are also something you can walk away from unless you're cornered with no other means of escape.

This also isn't an armed robbery. He was in their room. They'll claim self defense. He's lucky they didn't shoot him for waiving a firearm around like a toy.

So if you want to kill / rob someone, just invite them in your room and the law will protect them?

[Low Baller]

I mostly agree with this position. BL absolutely did the right thing, by backing out without incident. It is generally in the best interest of the shooter to make sure the victim is dead if you have to shoot. This is what law enforcement is taught regardless of what they say publicly, it is also why they don't seek medical assistance in most matters. Dead men don't talk is the mantra they are told over and over. Leaving only the shooters story with no counter-argument. Personally I have mixed feelings on this that go way deeper than this post, but it has been an effective defense for murder for decades.

With that said. Unless you report the incident and invoke Marsy's law, carrying a firearm with intent to commit a crime (even if the firearm was never intended to be used for said crime) is a felony.

Not making this into an argument, but for the record, any person engaged in a criminal offense as defined under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) is charged with having a weapon even if said weapon is not shown or carried. But under said statute, you must be committing one of eighteen felonies described in the code, such as murder. Arson, carjacking, aggravated assault, etc. BUT, the FL statute does not include solicitation as one of the 18 delineated crimes! So, reading the law instead of just giving my two-cents, it is clear that a monger legally carrying a gun and going to see a provider is not committing a felony just because he is carrying a gun! Intent or lack thereof is not an issue! Of course, if a monger pulls it out and waves it around saying he is a bad-ass, that is a different crime.

Ok, here is where FL Law gets cool: those DB that tried to rob B L committed an additional felony because they carried knives while attempting to rob B L. Robbery is one of the 18 listed felonies that can lead to an additional weapons charge. And it applies to much more than a firearm!

In fact, all this buzz over carrying a gun is misinformation because under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) a weapon for purposes of Florida law and criminal penalties includes a gun, any size knife, tear gas, tazar, pepper spray, brass knuckles and many other things, even if you only carry them! WTF – if I am carrying a small pocket knife or sissy pepper spray and see a provider I am able to be charged with a felony even if I am only seeing a provider? No! And also same is you legally carry a gun and see a provider, you cannot be charged with a felony for that. But, if she says you tried to rape her after breaking in, then gun, pen knife or sissy pepper spray in your pocket all could result in a felony charge (but probably not a conviction since your phone shows you were invited, so she will be seen as a liar).

Bottomline, you can get nailed for carrying almost anything if you commit a felony, but seeing a provider is not a felony in Florida. So, relax mongers and avoid the misinformation, it is not an issue unless you do commit a felony.

[JustinCider904]

I'm also CCW. I remember this from my course. At that point he was in an armed robbery situation where using your weapon is now legal. I also don't know why anyone is discouraging self-defense in this scenario. Yes, the law is never 100% but neither is trusting DBs not to kill you after you hand over the money anyway. Obviously, don't pull the trigger unless you have to, but not sure why leaving yourself to the mercy of thugs is somehow the right move.

At any rate, thanks to the guy that let us know. This is the worst thing that can happen in this game. Stay safe everyone. Thanks Oshmalee for sending the ban to STG.

That is absolutely correct. They exited with weapons and were the aggressors. Someone else did bring up money not being exchanged leaves him in the clear for other scenarios, but this is not exactly true. I already posted on this, but you do not have to of committed, or be in the act of committing a crime for the law to work against you here. You only have to have INTENT to commit a crime, which like it or not we all do when arriving at a providers location. Under most circumstances this will not apply to any of us because most soliciting charges are misdemeanors, however; as someone else pointed out. If they (the provider and DB) wanted to argue you tried to rob THEM and they were protecting themselves, now you are in armed robbery territory. And it is multiple words against yours. Depending on who you know, what you look like, your profession, and your criminal history will greatly effect how this turns out. But it can absolutely be a nightmare for you for years, even if you "win" in the end.

[BigEnk61]

To bad about Karmen and the latest bad reviews on JAX Escorts thread. Got her kicked off STG as a result. I think its unfair that these providers have no recourse to dispute claims made against them. I know that she has a past and that can't be be helped. I know personally and from other guys that she's a trusted go too for fun and for the most part consistent.

She made an account under sexyscare and respectfully tried to tell her side of the story, I know this because she sent me a screen shot of it before up loading it. It never was posted by the moderator, don't know why but probably because it was disputing claims made by the original monger who posted the bad review. She showed me screenshots of text messages from the that day and let me tell you things are not what they seem.

Anyone who is interested in knowing the other side of this story can PM me and I'd be glad to share what I know first hand.

The pic was from yesterday, she had a bad day after the bad review and being kicked off STG so I payed her a visit. She did not disappoint.

[JustinCider904]

Karmen must be avoided always, seeing her you may be robbed, you may get beaten, you may get killed, you may get ghosted, or you may see her. There are a number of possibilities and all of them are real. She has poor skills. I know from experience, I reviewed Karen negatively last year, so she is not worth taking a chance on getting robbed over. Bottom line, Karmen should be totally avoided.

About B L's actions, I think he did everything correct, unless he wanted to pull something like I did, running buck naked to my car. He was confronted and pulled his gun to stop thing at least temporary, then he backed out, that is retreated, so that he could avoid worse consequences. Guys full of testosterone and law pundits may have done something more aggressive but I believe B L was very smart and did perfect. Yep, I wish he had shot all of the bums and then yelled Make My Day, but that was not realistic. Black Lighting really handled a bad situation wisely and also showed the risks we mongers are taking!

I am not with law enforcement, so I do not know the rules or law, but I disagree that if one pulls a gun then one should pull the trigger. There is the cliche of do not pull a gun unless you are willing to use it. Yes I agree, but the converse of that is not valid, meaning if you pull a gun you need to shoot the bum. Pull a gun and do what is needed in the situation would be my rule, and if one can avoid deadly force then seek that. But, I agree that is one is going to shoot an attacker then shoot to kill. I believe that statement is correct for two reasons. First, it keeps the bum from making a lie that you threatened him first, pulled a gun while he was just casually minding his own business. Second, he was attacking you so the best way to stop that is to put a bullet through his head. Wounded DBs can still kill you. As a side note, if a monger has to shoot a DB while visiting a provider, then assume if the DB lives, he will lie and say you started it all and tried to rape his gf. The provider will also lie, she will not be truthful and say she tried to set you up to get robbed! Would Karmen admit to a felony that resulted in her DB getting killed? Heck no, that would be admitting to felony murder and life without parole. So the provider will lie, and you need to tell the truth. You were there to see a provider, which is Not a felony and otherwise say only you were attacked and feared for your life, but you cannot say more without a lawyer you are too shaken up to say more and just repeat the same. Greg McMichael and Dunn both had big mouths talking to cops instead of shutting up and waiting until a lawyer was appointed. They thought they could talk their way out and all got life. Yep they were bad guys and you are a good guy, but do not say anything without a lawyer because the provider is guaranteed to lie. P.S. Your phone is proof you were invited into the room, you will need to give that to your lawyer. What a mess one gets from shooting to save one's own life! Black Lightening, you were so darn smart to back away and avoid such a mess!!

Re Karmen, mongers need to avoid her, she is not worth any of the possibilities.

I mostly agree with this position. BL absolutely did the right thing, by backing out without incident. It is generally in the best interest of the shooter to make sure the victim is dead if you have to shoot. This is what law enforcement is taught regardless of what they say publicly, it is also why they don't seek medical assistance in most matters. Dead men don't talk is the mantra they are told over and over. Leaving only the shooters story with no counter-argument. Personally I have mixed feelings on this that go way deeper than this post, but it has been an effective defense for murder for decades.

With that said. Unless you report the incident and invoke Marsy's law, carrying a firearm with intent to commit a crime (even if the firearm was never intended to be used for said crime) is a felony. Mongering is a crime, and carrying a firearm with intent to monger is a felony, and one that can not only land you in prison, but can prevent you from ever handling a firearm again. Like most laws, this tends to be enforced arbitrarily. Depending on who you know and what you look like heavily applies to whether they would consider even charging you. McMichael is a good example of that. It is true he talked to much and it was used against him, but lets be real. He was the bad guy not a victim of his lack of silence. He was someone who acted how he has likely acted most of his life as a law enforcement officer, just he didn't have the immunity protection his badge supplied him with. He did however know people who tried their hardest to protect him, but there were limits of the protection a civilian can receive.

[LovesAFreak]

I had a dream I met Karmen this morning morning. Long story short, I get to the hotel. When I stepped in the room, I noticed her acting weird. Three guys come out of her bathroom with knives to try and robbed me. I'm licensed to carry, so I had other plans. I pull out my piece and slowly backed out the door. Karmen will get you caught up, be safe fellas. https://jacksonville.skipthegames.co...a/020229639684.

Glad you made it out with incident. I recently started carrying myself and pray I'm never put into a situation like this. This is a dangerous hobby we all know things can turn at any given time. Cannot trust these women or db's thinking they will let you go after the robbery. Stay safe gents.