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[PPJones]

Great thread. Another point I would make is with regulars the sex tends to get better as you get to know each other, she learns what you like and maybe you learn to push a button or two with her.

With a SB (granted, my n=1) you get that and an emotional connection with IME made the sex even better. Plus, like in any relationship there's other emotional rewards but literally the best sex I've had in my 50+ years (including the last few with mongering) was with her.

My mistake is as it was ending was to try to hold on. I should have, in retrospect, just gone full tear-off-bandaid mode. That said, no regerts! 2019 was a significantly better year for me b / c of her and for that I'm thankful.

So to Gator's point, what I learned is in addition to sex there's other things I enjoyed (emotional connection, companionship) and that ended up making the sex part better. As far as my foray back to Secret Benefits goes, that's not for (just) sex. With the help I've received here I've gotten pretty good at finding sex. From AMPs to a few regulars I see a couple of times of month each to just cutting through the bullshit to find women on StG or elsewhere. I went on SB for that broader experience. That said, I think it's full of bots to suck the money out of you.

Yes, I can't speak for ALL sb's and one again YMMV, but there is DEFINITELY an emotional attachment (at least on my end, and I THINK on hers) between me and my sb. Although I need to remember, that the attachment IS pensacola stronger from MY end. That said, the couple of times we had almost called it quits, it REALLY hurt. Almost, if not more than when I ended a certain long term relationship with a certain someone I called my wife.

Yes, best sex I've EVER experienced was with her. I often refer to her as the devil, as she has spoiled me for any other woman, as the things she does, I certainly don't think many will do.

[JTerry26]

Great thread. Another point I would make is with regulars the sex tends to get better as you get to know each other, she learns what you like and maybe you learn to push a button or two with her.

With a SB (granted, my n=1) you get that and an emotional connection with IME made the sex even better. Plus, like in any relationship there's other emotional rewards but literally the best sex I've had in my 50+ years (including the last few with mongering) was with her.

My mistake is as it was ending was to try to hold on. I should have, in retrospect, just gone full tear-off-bandaid mode. That said, no regerts! 2019 was a significantly better year for me b / c of her and for that I'm thankful.

So to Gator's point, what I learned is in addition to sex there's other things I enjoyed (emotional connection, companionship) and that ended up making the sex part better. As far as my foray back to Secret Benefits goes, that's not for (just) sex. With the help I've received here I've gotten pretty good at finding sex. From AMPs to a few regulars I see a couple of times of month each to just cutting through the bullshit to find women on StG or elsewhere. I went on SB for that broader experience. That said, I think it's full of bots to suck the money out of you.

I would certainly think that the OP has been enlightened a bit by these recent posts. BOTH being very informative. I'll inject my own experience (s), although maybe not as great as some, or, better than others.

As luck would have it, (huge amount of luck). After receiving MANY messages on SB, the very first girl I chose to reply to, we just REALLY hit it off. Was there an underlying motive for the both of us, of course! She wanted money and I wanted my dick sucked! We both knew this going in. But it DID seem we had many common interests. (Receiving / getting head, thankfully one of them! &#128523. Fast forward almost THREE years. Yes, we're still at it.

Now my situation is different from many of you. Wife not at home, and so my level of need for discretion is not as high as some. Not that she's EVER taken advantage of that part of things, but her want / need for discretion is probably higher than mine. Have I contacted and meet other girls from SB? Yes. None, however, with the level of "chemistry", (or whatever it is) that I have with this girl. We've had times where things were going south and I, as jterry, did, "felt the pain". Yet, still together, communicating daily, seemingly as if a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship.

I digress, as I wanted to tell my story, and, really, where else could I tell it??

From what I have seen and experienced, the diff between SB and a "traditional transactional experience" CAN be great. That doesn't mean it WILL be. Only that it CAN be. I think with sugar dating, the YMMV comes even more so into play, as there are ALL different types of SB'S. I would say the MAIN difference being that an SB wants to be felt like she's taken care of, and does NOT want to be labeled as a "hooker" or "prostitute", although, really, essentially, . Is there a difference? Perhaps. But I have not yet actually learned it.

With this long story, my SB is having surgery this afternoon (outpatient) I will be providing dinner for her and her children so that she may rest up and heal. Hoping and praying for a speedy recovery, so that I may get back to the wonderful head that she gives!

P.S. , I know, everyone in here wants good head, but if anyone has a suggestion, I'm all ears!129315;.

[PPJones]

It's always good to get others perspective. It's true one size does not fit all.

We all look for that certain something in any relationship, whether its platonic, paid, or just a roll in the hay. As with all encounters even paid meetings demand an amount of trust. We can never assume because we paid for something we will get what we paid for. It s ok to expect it but assume we will get it is two separate thoughts. Shoot, we get burned on cars and houses. Why should pussy be any different?

Always being on point might be a key factor in making something like that work. Knowing what we want from the relationship. Always watching for telltale signs that indicate something may not be just the way we want it. Most important knowing what we don't want.

Although, JTerry's experience may have come to a painful conclusion, all matters of education have a beginning and ending class. JTerry is a wiser man for his quick education. All was not lost to say the least. I'm sure his eyes are more open to his wants and needs. He states he's been checking out Secret Benefits and so far not happy with the results. Would that be because there's nothing there for him? I don't think so. From his post my guess is hes more enlightened to what he wants and is now making choices.

He's more aware now about what he may have missed before. So knowing better now what he wants makes for a more informed experience. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

I would certainly think that the OP has been enlightened a bit by these recent posts. BOTH being very informative. I'll inject my own experience (s), although maybe not as great as some, or, better than others.

As luck would have it, (huge amount of luck). After receiving MANY messages on SB, the very first girl I chose to reply to, we just REALLY hit it off. Was there an underlying motive for the both of us, of course! She wanted money and I wanted my dick sucked! We both knew this going in. But it DID seem we had many common interests. (Receiving / getting head, thankfully one of them! &#128523. Fast forward almost THREE years. Yes, we're still at it.

Now my situation is different from many of you. Wife not at home, and so my level of need for discretion is not as high as some. Not that she's EVER taken advantage of that part of things, but her want / need for discretion is probably higher than mine. Have I contacted and meet other girls from SB? Yes. None, however, with the level of "chemistry", (or whatever it is) that I have with this girl. We've had times where things were going south and I, as jterry, did, "felt the pain". Yet, still together, communicating daily, seemingly as if a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship.

I digress, as I wanted to tell my story, and, really, where else could I tell it??

From what I have seen and experienced, the diff between SB and a "traditional transactional experience" CAN be great. That doesn't mean it WILL be. Only that it CAN be. I think with sugar dating, the YMMV comes even more so into play, as there are ALL different types of SB'S. I would say the MAIN difference being that an SB wants to be felt like she's taken care of, and does NOT want to be labeled as a "hooker" or "prostitute", although, really, essentially, . Is there a difference? Perhaps. But I have not yet actually learned it.

With this long story, my SB is having surgery this afternoon (outpatient) I will be providing dinner for her and her children so that she may rest up and heal. Hoping and praying for a speedy recovery, so that I may get back to the wonderful head that she gives!

P.S. , I know, everyone in here wants good head, but if anyone has a suggestion, I'm all ears!129315;.

[Gator145]

While Gator has decades more experience than me, I actually have some experience here.

I had a woman I was seeing regularly, like 1-2 x / week. It started pretty transactional, just contacting to set things up and only meeting for sex.
Over time it got more GFE but stayed largely transactional. So a regular date with GFE, each meet up paid separate but more contact in between.
Finally, the transition to SB. I converted it to a fixed amount per week which I'd pay up front (I know, big no no). There was a bit of a handshake agreement about the amount of time / frequency that would buy. Neither of us abused that so it worked well. The biggest difference was the trust that was built had her do overnights at my place and then we traveled together a number of times. We also saw music and sports together, did dinners and lunches and whatnot. Lots of contact in between, texts mostly.
So for me the biggest difference was 'GFE' usually refers to what's on offer during a session. A SB extends that GFE into something that while paid approximates more an actual girlfriend relationship. It's not, which I ended up learning the hard way, not in a way where I got robbed or betrayed in any way but when it ended it was painful in a way that was way beyond losing a regular way to get my wick wet.
On a related note, I tried Secret Benefits again recently. It's a real dry hole. Lots of initial contact but no sustained conversations.

It's always good to get others perspective. It's true one size does not fit all.

We all look for that certain something in any relationship, whether its platonic, paid, or just a roll in the hay. As with all encounters even paid meetings demand an amount of trust. We can never assume because we paid for something we will get what we paid for. It s ok to expect it but assume we will get it is two separate thoughts. Shoot, we get burned on cars and houses. Why should pussy be any different?

Always being on point might be a key factor in making something like that work. Knowing what we want from the relationship. Always watching for telltale signs that indicate something may not be just the way we want it. Most important knowing what we don't want.

Although, JTerry's experience may have come to a painful conclusion, all matters of education have a beginning and ending class. JTerry is a wiser man for his quick education. All was not lost to say the least. I'm sure his eyes are more open to his wants and needs. He states he's been checking out Secret Benefits and so far not happy with the results. Would that be because there's nothing there for him? I don't think so. From his post my guess is hes more enlightened to what he wants and is now making choices.

He's more aware now about what he may have missed before. So knowing better now what he wants makes for a more informed experience. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[JTerry26]

While Gator has decades more experience than me, I actually have some experience here.

I had a woman I was seeing regularly, like 1-2 x / week. It started pretty transactional, just contacting to set things up and only meeting for sex.

Over time it got more GFE but stayed largely transactional. So a regular date with GFE, each meet up paid separate but more contact in between.

Finally, the transition to SB. I converted it to a fixed amount per week which I'd pay up front (I know, big no no). There was a bit of a handshake agreement about the amount of time / frequency that would buy. Neither of us abused that so it worked well. The biggest difference was the trust that was built had her do overnights at my place and then we traveled together a number of times. We also saw music and sports together, did dinners and lunches and whatnot. Lots of contact in between, texts mostly.

So for me the biggest difference was 'GFE' usually refers to what's on offer during a session. A SB extends that GFE into something that while paid approximates more an actual girlfriend relationship. It's not, which I ended up learning the hard way, not in a way where I got robbed or betrayed in any way but when it ended it was painful in a way that was way beyond losing a regular way to get my wick wet.

On a related note, I tried Secret Benefits again recently. It's a real dry hole. Lots of initial contact but no sustained conversations.

Depending on the arrangement between two people determines the answer to your question. I don't think there is a generic one size fits all answer.

As with any arrangement both parties should make their intentions and expectations known.

There's definitely a marked difference between a sugar baby / daddy relationship as opposed to a prostitute relationship. There's plenty of online material on both.

Knowing what it is you wish from that type relationship is the best start. Then you find somebody that can meet those needs. You can propose anything you wish to the other party. They either accept or reject the arrangement.

The main thing in any relationship with strangers is your safety. What will you and won't you do to maintain that level of safety. I'm sure you know some stories that didn't turn out as expected that have been made very public. Those mistakes was made because somebody left bases uncovered. Those stories didn't have to be made public.

So, it's best to keep your private information private. Don't reveal if you are from out of town. That can bite you. Don't be flashy with large sums of money. Going on a date someplace, make it anyplace you would ordinarily go. Paying by credit card? Maybe a prepaid visa would protect your interest better.

There's a lot to consider when entering into any relationship you wish to keep private.

No matter how you handle your choices, think them through and CYA. Research everything then decide which type arrangement you wish to have.

Now, here is the golden rule. When you give a woman any information that can be used against you, don't be a bit surprised if she does just that. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[Gator145]

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this. Trying to wrap my head around the difference between having a sugar baby and just being a regular repeat client. And what is the proposition to the provider if you want to go that route, compared to just keeping on with the repeat business OTC.

Depending on the arrangement between two people determines the answer to your question. I don't think there is a generic one size fits all answer.

As with any arrangement both parties should make their intentions and expectations known.

There's definitely a marked difference between a sugar baby / daddy relationship as opposed to a prostitute relationship. There's plenty of online material on both.

Knowing what it is you wish from that type relationship is the best start. Then you find somebody that can meet those needs. You can propose anything you wish to the other party. They either accept or reject the arrangement.

The main thing in any relationship with strangers is your safety. What will you and won't you do to maintain that level of safety. I'm sure you know some stories that didn't turn out as expected that have been made very public. Those mistakes was made because somebody left bases uncovered. Those stories didn't have to be made public.

So, it's best to keep your private information private. Don't reveal if you are from out of town. That can bite you. Don't be flashy with large sums of money. Going on a date someplace, make it anyplace you would ordinarily go. Paying by credit card? Maybe a prepaid visa would protect your interest better.

There's a lot to consider when entering into any relationship you wish to keep private.

No matter how you handle your choices, think them through and CYA. Research everything then decide which type arrangement you wish to have.

Now, here is the golden rule. When you give a woman any information that can be used against you, don't be a bit surprised if she does just that. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[James354]

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this. Trying to wrap my head around the difference between having a sugar baby and just being a regular repeat client. And what is the proposition to the provider if you want to go that route, compared to just keeping on with the repeat business OTC?

Thanks for your advice as always.

[MidnightRider7]

I met a super pretty suburban main line looking girl back in the summer waiting for the bus along Allegheny. I pulled up and asked her for her number and slowly but surely after a couple months off came the pants! She seems to enjoy the game now and has met a couple of my friends. Pm for an upcoming party.

I'd be interested, do you have a date, time and pictures.

[Lewdsun]

I met a super pretty suburban main line looking girl back in the summer waiting for the bus along Allegheny. I pulled up and asked her for her number and slowly but surely after a couple months off came the pants! She seems to enjoy the game now and has met a couple of my friends. Pm for an upcoming party.

[Shampoo55]

This exactly.

Hence the phrase "Do your research" in my original note.

Nobody should know better than us that you don't get anything for free in this world. You pay for everything somehow. In the "free VPN" case you're paying with your data.

I'd recommend you pay for your VPN. Most reputable services come out to less than $10/ month on a semi-annual or annual subscription.

Depends on who you wish to not be tracked by. Paying for a VPN leaves a trail, that leads back to you. I think that is akin to using your CC to pay for access to PACER and then having the Feds show up at your door because your were accessing hobby related cases. Have seen enough around to suspect that LE can sit on the exit node of a VPN and correlate that to your entry activity. Seen it done.

BUT I believe there is one VPN that is free and safe to use, I. E. No tracking or surveillance.

[Socalcasualguy]

Been using PureVPN for 5 years now, works great, lots of options and countries, excellent add-ons to browsers, phone app, I can surf, stream sports, download. And price is right.

I'm not high tech guy, but did some online research, including looking at reviews / ratings on CNET. I chose ExpressVPN. Price was decent, speed decent, they seem to protect your data and privacy, and I like the kill switch feature, if the VPN isn't working, it cuts all traffic, so your ISP isn't exposed.

[Academy215]

Been using PureVPN for 5 years now, works great, lots of options and countries, excellent add-ons to browsers, phone app, I can surf, stream sports, download. And price is right.

[Jayke00]

Avoid the free VPNs. Look it up, but you want VPNs that do not save anything, are very secure, and a couple allow anonymous signup. The free ones are not going to be secure.

This exactly.

Hence the phrase "Do your research" in my original note.

Nobody should know better than us that you don't get anything for free in this world. You pay for everything somehow. In the "free VPN" case you're paying with your data.

I'd recommend you pay for your VPN. Most reputable services come out to less than $10/ month on a semi-annual or annual subscription.

And if anyone else in your household questions why you've configured a VPN on your devices, cite the general eavesdropping and hacking dangers on the Internet and offer to configure the VPN on her device (s) as well. Many plans will include protection on several devices as part of the base price.

[Merge1]

Interesting that there are so many free VPNs available in the "Stores. " Maybe I'm not getting this, but isn't the reason many apps are "free" is that they lay 'awake' in the background and record your location, surfing, etc. ? If so, doesn't that kind of monitoring run counter to the reasons for using a VPN?

Avoid the free VPNs. Look it up, but you want VPNs that do not save anything, are very secure, and a couple allow anonymous signup. The free ones are not going to be secure.

[Shampoo55]

Many VPNs work with mobile devices. If you search the Google Play store for VPN you should get a good assortment of VPNs.

Research your choices and pick the one that works best for you.

You'll see a lot of love online for NordVPN but I experienced very poor throughput. Eventually I settled on ProtonVPN.

Their (free) eMail works pretty well also!

Interesting that there are so many free VPNs available in the "Stores. " Maybe I'm not getting this, but isn't the reason many apps are "free" is that they lay 'awake' in the background and record your location, surfing, etc. ? If so, doesn't that kind of monitoring run counter to the reasons for using a VPN?