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**JmSuttr** · 11-30-19 17:01

Originally Posted by Kijimuna [View Original Post]

https://fox5dc.com/news/montgomery-c...afficking-ring

Just going from the info in this specific article, there's nothing reported that didn't previously fall under the generic definition of prostitution (in this case, with a pimp). But now everything is trafficking by default. And why that's a concern for every hobbyist is because the "trafficking" label is pretty easy to stick on individual clients. And once that label is applied it's a long and nasty road ahead to try to defend yourself.

**Kijimuna** · 11-29-19 15:24

https://fox5dc.com/news/montgomery-c...afficking-ring

**JmSuttr** · 10-25-19 11:28

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3803328

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...ntown-san.html

I have no way of verifying if the details in the articles are true but, if they are, then trafficking is an accurate description of what was going on. And the second article shows that it's not just a hobby-related problem.

Real trafficking is a scourge that needs to be stamped out and I don't think anyone would have an issue with LE efforts to that end. But the practice, by LE and their media enablers, of broadly expanding the definition of trafficking to cover consensual adult activity is a problem. And it's not just a problem for hobbyists but, because the same tactics can be applied to other activities, also for anyone concerned about individual liberty.

**JmSuttr** · 10-21-19 11:36

Originally Posted by SlowBlo [View Original Post]

Speaking with a Virginia vice cop not too long age he basically said the rules have changed now. When you meet a girl in a room and do a "cop check" that means nothing. They can touch you and using paypal or cashapp etc is like using a credit card. It's a perfect paper trail for the cops. The judges go along with it. Who can afford to appeal it? I stick with well reviewed providers only these days.

If you look at the "new normal" for trafficking investigations and arrests, they all involve multiple providers. Whether AMPs, agencies, or ACS places, LE doesn't need much in the way of justification to make (pseudo) trafficking claims.

The one type of provider who has (so far) avoided the trafficking label is the true independent who is of legal age. Since she works for herself, and keeps all the money she makes, LE can't make the case that she's being coerced or pressured. Maybe some new wrinkle will surface in the future but, for now, only traditional anti-prostitution laws apply. So, while there's no such thing as a risk-free hobby activity, at least seeing a true (self-managed) indie should keep you out of the reach of any trafficking investigation.

**Member #6313** · 10-21-19 07:17

Originally Posted by JmSuttr [View Original Post]

You're absolutely correct that actual trafficking requires something more than just prostitution. I'm not a legal expert in the field but, from everything I've heard and seen, it requires some kind of coercion or intimidation or underage participants. Adult women who are voluntarily and willingly selling sexual services are not trafficking victims. And that's true even if they travel or are transported across state lines.

But, just like we saw with the Robert Kraft AMP bust in Florida, there's absolutely no downside for LE in calling everything trafficking, even if no trafficking charges are ever filed and no trafficking convictions are ever obtained.

And that's one possible reason why we haven't seen a big deal made of this in the media. If it's now the "new normal" to label anything associated with prostitution as trafficking, then stories about garden-variety (pseudo) trafficking become less of a big deal.

IMHO, the best way to stay safe in this new environment is to see verified Indies who you absolutely know are adults and working for themselves.

Speaking with a Virginia vice cop not too long age he basically said the rules have changed now. When you meet a girl in a room and do a "cop check" that means nothing. They can touch you and using paypal or cashapp etc is like using a credit card. It's a perfect paper trail for the cops. The judges go along with it. Who can afford to appeal it? I stick with well reviewed providers only these days.

**EnderPete** · 10-19-19 14:02

Originally Posted by BaconBread [View Original Post]

They moved sometime in the spring or summer. I had never been to the new location.

Makes sense then, last time I went was early this year.

**Shinshi** · 10-07-19 13:18

Originally Posted by SexInSTL [View Original Post]

That sucks about LF as I really liked them better than the AMPs around here.

Agreed, I had a wonderful dream about Nancy a couple months back and was hoping to repeat with LF this month. Guess I dodged a bullet there.

**SexInSTL** · 10-06-19 10:14

That sucks about LF as I really liked them better than the AMPs around here.

**JmSuttr** · 10-03-19 22:09

Originally Posted by BaconBread [View Original Post]

LF is Chinese. Once in awhile they would have a Korean girl.

I went a couple times last winter but haven't been since January. The experience was just too inconsistent.

Their screening wasn't as tight as the K agencies. In a way, it's a little surprising that they went on so long. They've been operating for years, and I only tried them after other options disappeared or got too expensive in the wake of FOSTA / SESTA.

You're absolutely correct that actual trafficking requires something more than just prostitution. I'm not a legal expert in the field but, from everything I've heard and seen, it requires some kind of coercion or intimidation or underage participants. Adult women who are voluntarily and willingly selling sexual services are not trafficking victims. And that's true even if they travel or are transported across state lines.

But, just like we saw with the Robert Kraft AMP bust in Florida, there's absolutely no downside for LE in calling everything trafficking, even if no trafficking charges are ever filed and no trafficking convictions are ever obtained.

And that's one possible reason why we haven't seen a big deal made of this in the media. If it's now the "new normal" to label anything associated with prostitution as trafficking, then stories about garden-variety (pseudo) trafficking become less of a big deal.

IMHO, the best way to stay safe in this new environment is to see verified Indies who you absolutely know are adults and working for themselves.

**Bacon Bread** · 10-03-19 18:50

Originally Posted by EnderPete [View Original Post]

Last time I went to LF they were in the apartments in Fair Oaks off Monument, not the Mosaic district in Merrifield. Granted it's been a little while since I went, so did they move?

They moved sometime in the spring or summer. I had never been to the new location.

**EnderPete** · 10-03-19 09:32

Originally Posted by BaconBread [View Original Post]

LF is Chinese. Once in awhile they would have a Korean girl.

I went a couple times last winter but haven't been since January. The experience was just too inconsistent.

Their screening wasn't as tight as the K agencies. In a way, it's a little surprising that they went on so long. They've been operating for years, and I only tried them after other options disappeared or got too expensive in the wake of FOSTA / SESTA.

In these busts of Asian massage parlors and agencies, LE always say it's sex trafficking at the time of the bust, but no one ever ends up being convicted or even going to trial for that. I'll believe there's trafficking or girls there against their will when there's actually evidence presented. All of the actual cases of sex trafficking around here that I've seen have involved underage latinas trafficked by MS-13 or similar gangs.

This report is interesting because there's very little info. No girls or johns arrested, apparently. No big press conference with the Feds and local police sucking each others' dicks. Maybe this was just a bust prompted by complaints by neighbors or building management wanting to get them out of that location.

Last time I went to LF they were in the apartments in Fair Oaks off Monument, not the Mosaic district in Merrifield. Granted it's been a little while since I went, so did they move?

**Bacon Bread** · 10-02-19 03:39

Originally Posted by MiRoad [View Original Post]

Are we sure it's either LF or AG? The man and woman arrested are Chinese. LF and AG are Korean.

LF is Chinese. Once in awhile they would have a Korean girl.

I went a couple times last winter but haven't been since January. The experience was just too inconsistent.

Their screening wasn't as tight as the K agencies. In a way, it's a little surprising that they went on so long. They've been operating for years, and I only tried them after other options disappeared or got too expensive in the wake of FOSTA / SESTA.

In these busts of Asian massage parlors and agencies, LE always say it's sex trafficking at the time of the bust, but no one ever ends up being convicted or even going to trial for that. I'll believe there's trafficking or girls there against their will when there's actually evidence presented. All of the actual cases of sex trafficking around here that I've seen have involved underage latinas trafficked by MS-13 or similar gangs.

This report is interesting because there's very little info. No girls or johns arrested, apparently. No big press conference with the Feds and local police sucking each others' dicks. Maybe this was just a bust prompted by complaints by neighbors or building management wanting to get them out of that location.

**Sendoh** · 10-02-19 00:17

Originally Posted by MiRoad [View Original Post]

Are we sure it's either LF or AG? The man and woman arrested are Chinese. LF and AG are Korean.

Yea it's LF / starbunnyz, they are Chinese agency.

**Rhinopole** · 10-01-19 23:46

Originally Posted by AdcFellow [View Original Post]

Does anyone know which agency this was?

LF used to operate (and maybe still does) near Fair Oaks Mall, not Merrifield. However there were at least 2 Korean establishments in Merrifield in high-rise, high end places. I don't know if they're still operating.