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  1. #9372
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    Posts: 1946

    Possible tactics for upsell and pushing for a tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie8  [View Original Post]
    I was Blue T. And was the only customer in all 7-suites (rooms). Met by Mamason (in her 70's) at the door and she said "you want Tina or New Girl" - I said New Girl but Tina jumped in front of her.

    Tina (Korean late 40's) demanded 80 - I paid and got undressed, was lead to the table shower and washed very thoroughly. Then back to the massage room, where she gave a 40-minute massage of average effort (there was some back walking while she hung from the pole centered along the massage table).

    She rolled me over, to do my front and started her upsell to get a tip, I agreed on 60 - she said "you are a cheap" - but she did get the job done, with a clean up.

    So I paid $140 - for less than an hour. And Tina was appalled with that. On my way out I said, "Tina you have 7-rooms, and no customers. But me. Maybe you.

    Should Google Search the word Ingrate. ".

    I won't be back.
    1) If, even after you tell the masseuse that you'll take good care of her, she keeps pushing for the $ up front or for you to agree to a specific amount: Get up from the table, thank her for the massage and start getting dressed. Don't argue with her or even let her draw you into a discussion. If you say anything at all it should be something simple like "I've been getting massage a long time and I know what is a fair tip. When anybody pushes me too hard it makes me unhappy and I will not visit that place anymore. " Since she usually makes nothing from the house fee she will either try to shame you into staying or else apologize and ask you to stay. IME, unless she really seems sincere (and is hot, to boot) it's better to cut your losses and move on because if you stay she may just go through the motions and you'll still feel like you wasted your money. Also, in those circumstances I don't have any problem with leaving zero tip. Yeah, maybe I got a massage but it was her crappy customer service that killed the deal and maybe getting no tip will make her think twice before pulling that kind of stunt again.

    2) Ask to talk to the MMS. Depending on the particular circumstances you can choose to use this tactic before you get up from the table, as your getting dressed or even as you're walking out the door. YMMV as the MMS may get defensive and take the girl's side. But if she has any concerns about encouraging regular clients she may offer you another girl or a future discount. If not, you haven't really lost anything, but it's worth a shot. And even if the MMS defends the girl while you're there she may still have a talk with her after you've left.

    The bottom line is that it's your $ and you don't have to put up with that kind of BS treatment. It's fine to vote with your feet, walk away and let them know (in a polite way) why you're doing it.

  2. #9371

    Which tiffany

    Quote Originally Posted by SexsSarved9141  [View Original Post]
    I was considering on contacting Halia to schedule an appointment but she and Tiffany went completely off the grid. No backpage, no TER even anymore. Does anyone know what happened?
    There are several. Halia posts in other cities. Maybe try searching her number and see what comes up.

  3. #9370

    Thanks my friend

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    Haven't seen her but, while her reviews on the oThER site give her positive marks, they also say she's overpriced. From what I've read, your assessment of her service offerings is correct.

    Nyomi is another nuru provider who has positive reviews and intel. You'll find plenty of info if you search the forum. She's also in the higher price range although she does offer some specials. Haven't seen her either as the price to value proposition is just not there, IMHO, for either of them.
    When I get to a safe place to surf I will check out the oThER site for Nyomi and Elena. I may end up passing on both if they are out of my economic abilities.

  4. #9369
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1946

    Check her reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Miketastic69  [View Original Post]
    I am thinking about taking the plunge with ELENA NURU, but I saw a couple posts from back in 2014 and 15 that mention for the price HJ & Russian language sessions is all you should expect. Anyone recently have any experience? For what she asks I could have at lest two study sessions elsewhere.

    PM me with details if you're willing to share.
    Haven't seen her but, while her reviews on the oThER site give her positive marks, they also say she's overpriced. From what I've read, your assessment of her service offerings is correct.

    Nyomi is another nuru provider who has positive reviews and intel. You'll find plenty of info if you search the forum. She's also in the higher price range although she does offer some specials. Haven't seen her either as the price to value proposition is just not there, IMHO, for either of them.

  5. #9368

    What Happened to Halia?

    I was considering on contacting Halia to schedule an appointment but she and Tiffany went completely off the grid. No backpage, no TER even anymore. Does anyone know what happened?

  6. #9367

    Quick question

    I am thinking about taking the plunge with ELENA NURU, but I saw a couple posts from back in 2014 and 15 that mention for the price HJ & Russian language sessions is all you should expect. Anyone recently have any experience? For what she asks I could have at lest two study sessions elsewhere.

    PM me with details if you're willing to share.

  7. #9366

    Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Miketastic69  [View Original Post]
    I'm planning to hit up blue this trip before I head back west. After a few years I am surprised I have not taken the plunge, but I kinda already know that the menu is limited to viewing and HJ. I need to mark it off my list though and their providers are usually smoking.
    I was Blue T. And was the only customer in all 7-suites (rooms). Met by Mamason (in her 70's) at the door and she said "you want Tina or New Girl" - I said New Girl but Tina jumped in front of her.

    Tina (Korean late 40's) demanded 80 - I paid and got undressed, was lead to the table shower and washed very thoroughly. Then back to the massage room, where she gave a 40-minute massage of average effort (there was some back walking while she hung from the pole centered along the massage table).

    She rolled me over, to do my front and started her upsell to get a tip, I agreed on 60 - she said "you are a cheap" - but she did get the job done, with a clean up.

    So I paid $140 - for less than an hour. And Tina was appalled with that. On my way out I said, "Tina you have 7-rooms, and no customers. But me. Maybe you.

    Should Google Search the word Ingrate. ".

    I won't be back.

  8. #9365
    Quote Originally Posted by JimRob  [View Original Post]
    Went to the new place in fairfax and asked for Coco the lady who open the door was going to be my provider and she was just typical AMP in looks.

    Coco came to the room and for nova standards she was a 10. Gave the donation and got the shower. Went to the table shower and had light teasing. (nothing special).

    Back to the room was a nice sensual rub and after th flip she started pushing for the tip. She straight up said I want 5 jacks and you get me nude, but no frank sinatra or bill Joel musics will be played in this room.

    I was really in the mood and agree to her terms. Oh but I had to get up off the table excited and hand her the tip. Really was a bummer. She allowed roaming with hugs and kisses on the neck. She then got on top and did the whole simulated thing and I was done.

    Push too much for the tip. I don't like that and won't return.

    Disclaimer what you just read was a dream by a very lonely sad man.
    LOL, funny how it always seems like a good idea until the pop, then you start thinking, WTF did I pay that much for. .

  9. #9364

    Angel

    Went to the new place in fairfax and asked for Coco the lady who open the door was going to be my provider and she was just typical AMP in looks.

    Coco came to the room and for nova standards she was a 10. Gave the donation and got the shower. Went to the table shower and had light teasing. (nothing special).

    Back to the room was a nice sensual rub and after th flip she started pushing for the tip. She straight up said I want 5 jacks and you get me nude, but no frank sinatra or bill Joel musics will be played in this room.

    I was really in the mood and agree to her terms. Oh but I had to get up off the table excited and hand her the tip. Really was a bummer. She allowed roaming with hugs and kisses on the neck. She then got on top and did the whole simulated thing and I was done.

    Push too much for the tip. I don't like that and won't return.

    Disclaimer what you just read was a dream by a very lonely sad man.

  10. #9363

    Good Nuru with something extra

    Gents,

    Looking for a good real nuru provider with some extra fun to be had. Please PM me if you have any recommendations.

  11. #9362

    Passing Through

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx0  [View Original Post]
    There was some interest following this post that I tried to respond to, but I don't always log on often depending on my travels. Back in town for a bit and revisited Oasis and was almost, but not in the end, let down. There was two gals, neither one a knockout, but nice enough. In my view, I drew the better looking Sofia (Sophia? She asked if I wanted 4-hands, told her no, just her, she smiled and led me back, all standard stuff, sporadic communication throughout, a bit of teasing, the lower back over gluteus and upper thigh muscles forearm glide was very nice with bladed hand passing tease. Her hard (which I requested) massage is pretty good. Somewhere in the back-and-forth talk closing on the hour mark she talked me into changing from the. 6 one hour to $ for 90-min massage, which is okay as I did need more time on the table. She flipped me with about 15 minutes to go, at about 10 minutes to go she said you need at least 2 more hours and laughed, so I said well I think you have missed one important area and removed all covering grabbing 'spike', she said oh no, we don't do that, trouble, but she did not cover me back up so I asked her if not here maybe somewhere later, and she responded with a questioning comment "you no trouble right", and after a bit of talk got the oil and lubed 'spike' to a he, tipped her. 40, left at ease and happy. I guess this place is a definite YMMV and may even take a bit of convincing that you are not 'trouble' - safe travels and happy events / maxx0.
    I passed through that town on the way to Vivi in Warrenton. I followed mapquest and passed by the location. Uncle LEO at just about every traffic light in town. Looks like a little speedtrap town. I have the feeling that the ever presence of uncle around that one-horse town is definitely why they fly totally legit and UTR. I may have to try it next time I get that far out of town though.

  12. #9361

    Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by NoVaRanger  [View Original Post]
    Buried in the far back corner of the office-condo location is a (Blue) gem of a place.

    Senior members (and lurkers of many years) will remember it by many other names (but it has been Blue for a couple of years).

    MMS was away on my most recent visit, but the on-site ladies were up-to-the-task of managing phones and customers.

    (MMS is very nice visitors and returning clients. She wants to cultivate repeat "no trouble" customers as do all good businesses).

    Parking here is very easy, and during all business hours, a safe walk from door to door.

    Usual vestibule entrance, very short wait (I was expected) and a cheerful greeting by Tina (a lady taller and much prettier than I).

    Inside, the studios are clean and well kept (same studio set-up from as far back as the days of Mike Ono's). Tina collected the standard house for an hour appointment, departed and returned shortly.

    Before massage TS was thorough and soapy, but since she used a fast scrubbing technique, I had the perception of being rushed -- but when we returned to the studio, the time on the clock told me it was over 10-minutes (so not rushed at all).

    Tina provides a very good massage (and will work as deep into your knotty-muscles / shoulder / neck / legs as you want). Sometimes a truly deep-tissue massage is what I need, and she provided it today.

    Her soft technique is also very good.

    By the end of the hour (no rush on time), I was relaxed, happy and ready to enjoy the weekend.

    I left a standard tip for the massage experience and will repeat.

    NR.

    P.S. There is at least one other "k-type-spa" in this complex and several others less than a mile north. Since YMMV is a true-ism for all, if the Blue gem does not sparkle for you, perhaps you'll find treasure nearby. If you do, please remember to post.
    I'm planning to hit up blue this trip before I head back west. After a few years I am surprised I have not taken the plunge, but I kinda already know that the menu is limited to viewing and HJ. I need to mark it off my list though and their providers are usually smoking.

  13. #9360
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1946

    More market pricing observations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hariending  [View Original Post]
    I tried Angel Therapy again on Friday. Coco was busy the times I wanted so tried the other girl, Kim. Typical K parlor experience. Nothing to complain. The special price. 6 is good for her plus. 4 for tip.

    I actually believe Coco is a. 8 material. They may be just trying to bring customer to see her so that they will come back for her. The place looks new, clean and for the special rate it is definitely a visit worth.

    I heard there is another young girl but could not get to see her.

    I also tried Euto in Reston. Grace. Good massage, and provider did not give me a HE feel. So I was ok leaving with. 6 house fee and. 2 tip. When in mood for a good massage, please try The back walking was very good. She also use knee to crack your back. Very good feeling.

    One of my friends told me that Fairfax has 220 plus spas. No wonder prices going down the way it is. Good for us. It is important for us to help each other to find the cream so we all get even better deals.

    Peace.
    There are at least two indie FBSM providers who have recently started offering discounts when they've been operating for years without them. One is Bonita in Springfield and the other is Jane in Tysons.

    http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/l-...d-_-s/13907078

    http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/fu...y-jane/3415675

    Bonita went from not offering discounts (for her FBSM sessions) to offering them on weekday mornings and more recently she's started offering them even on weekends. Today her 60 min sessions were $70 before noon and now they're at $75 until 4 pm. Jane's pricing has been rock-steady for years at 140/ hr with no shorter sessions offered. While her hr session is still the same she's now offering 45 and 30 min options. For anyone who has had the pleasure of visiting Jane, you know she takes pride in her massage skills and it's quite a change for her to offer anything less than one hr.

    Even though this is the MP forum, here's another current example (from the escort section) of possible price pressures in the market:

    http://washingtondc.backpage.com/Fem...-days/21250136

    Again, the point of this post is to draw attention to the bigger picture, not to discuss the pros and cons of Bonita, Jane or one particular Asian crapshoot place. If, as I think is the case, the hobby marketplace has become a little soft, then it should make clients more confident that they can be price-makers and not just price-takers.

  14. #9359
    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    The broader point I was trying to get at is, if business really is slow, then other AMPs may be feeling the pressure to either reduce prices, run specials or be more flexible to negotiate a better deal for regular clients. I think it's a pretty fair bet that most AMP owners check BP and CL regularly to see what their competitors are doing.

    Of course, YMMV with individual AMPs and MMS personalities (and some may not be worth the trouble), but it's always better for clients to know when their negotiating positions either strengthen or weaken.
    I tried Angel Therapy again on Friday. Coco was busy the times I wanted so tried the other girl, Kim. Typical K parlor experience. Nothing to complain. The special price. 6 is good for her plus. 4 for tip.

    I actually believe Coco is a. 8 material. They may be just trying to bring customer to see her so that they will come back for her. The place looks new, clean and for the special rate it is definitely a visit worth.

    I heard there is another young girl but could not get to see her.

    I also tried Euto in Reston. Grace. Good massage, and provider did not give me a HE feel. So I was ok leaving with. 6 house fee and. 2 tip. When in mood for a good massage, please try The back walking was very good. She also use knee to crack your back. Very good feeling.

    One of my friends told me that Fairfax has 220 plus spas. No wonder prices going down the way it is. Good for us. It is important for us to help each other to find the cream so we all get even better deals.

    Peace.

  15. #9358
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1946

    The bigger picture

    Quote Originally Posted by StoopDown  [View Original Post]
    Oasis is s#1 t. Long ass drive to Dumfries for less than enthusiastic NoVA and fairly revolting TS. Last visit 9 months ago.

    Evergreen is average. TS is not always offered, NoVA is slightly better than DIY. Always on the list as Plan J or K (too many others to repeat or try). Last visit more than a year ago.

    I'd consider Angel, but only if I was in the area. I believe it is fairly new (and not a GRAND OPENING of a previous AMP).

    Hope that helps!

    BSOT.

    Stoopdown.
    The broader point I was trying to get at is, if business really is slow, then other AMPs may be feeling the pressure to either reduce prices, run specials or be more flexible to negotiate a better deal for regular clients. I think it's a pretty fair bet that most AMP owners check BP and CL regularly to see what their competitors are doing.

    Of course, YMMV with individual AMPs and MMS personalities (and some may not be worth the trouble), but it's always better for clients to know when their negotiating positions either strengthen or weaken.

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