"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TravelinSD]

I posted a report about two weeks ago. Any advice for a traveling SD. I frequently travel to a particular area about every two to three months. The last visit I completely striked out.

I travel a fair amount for my work. Lots of times my schedule doesn't allow for play time, but when it does, I do try and pre-plan and start one or two weeks out before my trip sending out requests. Like all efforts in the SB world, it is a numbers game. Except your odds are even worse than when on your home court. My success rate is probably around 50% as far as finding someone to meet me, but around 90% trips to the FC when I succeed in getting a meeting. Here are my steps which may or may not work for you:

1. I focus on the verbiage in their profiles. I look for phrases like "open minded", "short-term arrangement", "just looking for fun" or anything that indicates they're not looking for a committed one-SD type relationship. I usually bypass any that say looking for only 1 SD.

2. My style for all my SBs is very respectful and laid back. This applies to my travel SBs as well, but I try and be a bit more obvious. My message usually includes an offer for dinner and I say something like, "If we really connect, perhaps a night cap back in my room Of course at that point a gift would be in order. " This makes it clear that she may get dinner, but won't get paid unless she ends up back in my room for some fun intimate times.

Don't expect to find someone to take you up on your offer every time. Obviously larger cities and markets have more SBs, therefore your odds are better. You may be surprised at your results though. I met a lady in New Orleans that turned into a three year relationship where we saw each other a few times a year. In Dallas I lucked into a duo that was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. It's definitely worth the effort if you travel a lot. I'm headed to Nashville Monday and am in conversations with one lady now that I hope to land.

My unicorn of traveling SBs though is in my hometown where I grew up. My dad is in a nursing home there. This is in the middle of the state out in the middle of nowhere. There is a major university 30 miles away though. I've been trying for years, upon years to find an SB in that area for my trips there. I've come close a couple of times, but haven't landed one yet. I again have a couple on the hook right now and we'll see if they come to fruition my next trip home.

I hope that helps.

Travelin.

Good hunting!

[PhxFunLover]

I'm in the valley as well, been on SA about 2 years, have gotten to the FC with about 20 girls in that time, most I ever paid was 150, my default right now is 120, and I have more than I can get to.
Sure I get rejected or ignored by a lot of them but there are plenty who are cool with that ball park. If they're not, move on.

Generally they are in the 7 face 8 body range, although my current fave is an 18 year old latina who is a 9/8/8/9 spinner. If you are exclusively after the perfect 10 blonde ASU sorority girls, yeah, you're going to pay more.

I've sent the perfect 10's messages but I try to stay with just slim / athletic (real athletic not the chunky pretenders) girls in general most have been 7+ like I said though I just started out, glad I wasn't low balling, been going for 100 but negotiating up to 150 max so far. I found another website with similar topics on SB's but its more regional to another part of the country and after reading most of this one they need some guidance LOL, seeing their post talking about offering $$$ for an hour. Glad I am not in that region.

[Falar]

I posted a report about two weeks ago. Any advice for a traveling SD. I frequently travel to a particular area about every two to three months. The last visit I completely striked out.

[JohnnyTheWad]

Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.

I have found that marrying an Asian woman (especially Filipinas) works best. They are conservative, young, hot and puts YOUR needs first. Of course, there are lots of scammers and you have to do your research and not pick the first one. Put them thru the test and see if they pass.

[JohnnyTheWad]

It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.

Fred, I have heard wiser words but I just cannot remember when LOL thanks for the insight. JTW.

[HollywoodGuy]

Todays POTS. I am hoping to meet the hand on her hip girl Sunday. She is 18 and flirty. The skinny one is 19 and a bit cautious. The little black dress girl is a UTR but she is pretty hot at 22 and 5'1". I have two confirmed dates for tonite. My new daddys girl ready for date #4 and an M&G straight to the FC so she says sub girl. So as the day progresses I will have to decide or maybe one of them will decide for me and flake.

[HollywoodGuy]

It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.

"You can marry more money in one minute than you can earn in a lifetime".

[FredMoore]

It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.

[First Half]

But it should be pointed out that the government provides several benefits to getting married. Tax, estate, SSN, Medicare, Veteran benefits, etc. So there are legitimate reasons for getting officially hitched that don't necessarily come down to wanting their claws in your goodies.

Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.

[Dsprdo]

Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500

I'm in the valley as well, been on SA about 2 years, have gotten to the FC with about 20 girls in that time, most I ever paid was 150, my default right now is 120, and I have more than I can get to.
Sure I get rejected or ignored by a lot of them but there are plenty who are cool with that ball park. If they're not, move on.

Generally they are in the 7 face 8 body range, although my current fave is an 18 year old latina who is a 9/8/8/9 spinner. If you are exclusively after the perfect 10 blonde ASU sorority girls, yeah, you're going to pay more.

[HollywoodGuy]

The more I do this the more I realize it is totally a numbers game. I have done a few M&G's in the last couple of weeks and came up with one gem. The other girls are ones I would have easily pursued in the past, but no more. The gem is a very sweet and super submissive little wh*re for daddy. Yesterday we did a car date and I gave her an anal pounding for 45 minutes of that date. Her ass is as smooth, tight and wet as some of the best pussy I have ever had. In the end she went from ass to mouth to finish me off. She doesn't smoke, drink or do drugs. Which is not a requirement to date me. Especially in a state where marijuana is legal. Interesting fact. There are more weed stores in L. A. than starbucks.

It was only our third date but I feel like it will continue. This early its never a good idea to count your chickens, but I am feeling confident. I could hear the frost in my ATF's voice when I told her we hit our third date. A promise I made to her. That I would inform her of any girl that got to date three. I have two more M&G's set for the weekend so far. One is an admitted sub and the other looks to be a bit of a party girl. 19 and 18 respectively.

[Golfcart]

Older Professional Women

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.

She wants attention and dick. I don't see a problem.

[HollywoodGuy]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" I have been just responding that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything they aren't comfortable with and reiterate it can be a paid date if there is some physical fun to be had. Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500+ as their negotiating bids, I get them worked down quickly though following the guide in #3.

I only say the "no sex, no money" date (verbatim) if they say they don't just hop in the sack on a first date. So it gives them a safe way to M&G with no pressure. Just did one today even though she said she would go straight to the FC. But hewr pics were so bad I wanted to make sure she was at least a 7. She turned out to be an 8/9. Still not sure if the chemistry was there. If they are GPS then its never going to work out anyway. Five bills a date. Come on. Thats for 10's with porn star skills doing an overnite at a minimum. If they start at Five I don't even respond.

I would say to anyone newish. Lower your sites a little and work your way up. Even talk to girls you dont want just to be talking. Sometimes I message so many girls I dont even take a real look at their pics till they respond. Had one today. A starving artist. Once I saw her pics closely I declined. No big deal. They ditch us all the time.

I like feedback and the only way to get it is to message across the board.

[Dolato]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more"

The cost of the younger sbs is the higher rate of flakes. It's just something you'll learn to work with, as in never book a room ahead of time even with multiple assurances that she's ready for the fc.

I'd think the ones not wanting to show up without a paid date would equal pro / utr. It may even be a good way to weed them out if you're only interested in the nps.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Here's the cliff notes version from someone going through this. I'll never tell anyone NOT to get married. It definitely made me mature from my wreckless 20's. I hit 30 figured marriage was the next logical step. Professionally my colleagues were married, no one ever divulged the down side. My parents were married, no revelation of how bad it sucked. So I got married, every year got progressively worse. After 4 yrs decided to mention to the wife I was done and wanted out. The all intense dash for my cash and everything I owned started after that point. Once she got an attorney it was lights out. Even my attorney told me to get this over as quick as possible and pay whatever's needed to settle. He even said speak to him before deciding to do something like this "getting married" again. I learned some very valuable lessons through this ordeal. I've grown to love my experience, but I'd tell anyone to proceed with caution before making the move.

Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.