"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[ICantGetNo]

The operators are on to something with their verified ID, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified ID service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

I thought the verification was worth it. For any POTs that were hesitant, I would allude that I've been "vetted" and am as legit as you'll get on SA. I think it put more than one SB at ease.

[Dsprdo]

In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.

In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also. I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are. $5K. $10k a month. I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.

Actually the drop down choices just confuses the girls. They have limited choices for low dollar amounts. If you check the stats on how many choose the lowest option it's a very small number. They are subconsciously being guided to a larger amount than they would have never dreamed of. In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.

[Walruscl]

But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.

I'll qualify the above remark that I have no plans to renege on the original deal unless there was some external factor outside my control. I'm as certain as one can possibly be that the funds are being used for constructive purposes. By happenstance, I was there when she paid her deposit at the local community college last month. So in my earlier musings of the "mistress" category (and as I've mentioned in earlier posts) , I'm quite happy to be giving some financial assistance since by all accounts it appears to be a worthy cause.

[BikeRider]

I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also - I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are ... $5K - $10k a month .... I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.

[BikeRider]

Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.

Why meeting a SB at home (even if single) is a bad idea until there's a high degree of trust / comfort built up. If she's desperate enough to resort to BP, then who knows what she'd do knowing where you live!

Glad you lucked out on this one!

[Revvo]

Great to see so many new guys. Love the stories. Been on vacation myself and trying to back off any new prospects for now. I have been told by more than one veteran on here not to burn the candle too much.

On the hotels I always wait to book it at the time of the date with a new one and I like to use Trivago or Hotwire. Had good luck with both of them. Of course if it is a reliable baby then I can book in advance.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[Walruscl]

So I still feel like I have been smiled upon by angels. My one-and-only SB is as sweet, attractive, eager-to-please, sensual, and voracious as ever. Last week we had a FC session that was five hours long, which was only briefly interrupted by some much-needed breaks and a couple of showers. And afterwards she was thanking *me* over text, with adjectives like "mind-blowing" liberally applied.

The Time Machine effect is simply stunning, and I feel like I've been transported to the college experience I wish I'd gotten but obviously never did. Even in the best of times with my SO, a five hour session with three pops for me and "I lost count" for her? I never even remotely considered something like that to be possible.

This weekend I had carefully arranged to be able to do an overnight, a rarity given my family schedule. Last-minute she contacted me that a chronic medical issue she's been having cropped up again and she was concerned she wouldn't be able to "perform". A perfect storm of the miscommunication-via-text, an inability to arrange a time to talk over the phone to mitigate the damage texting was causing, and a really bad workday for her almost nixed the whole thing.

In the end we managed to sort it all out. To help take any unclear expectations off the table, I offered that we could keep intimate activities to a minimum and skip the sugar if that made her feel more comfortable-she had repeatedly offered the latter so I took the hint. And boy what a weekend: dinner, a romantic walk-along-the-river, movie, then to bed. Our vow of celibacy crumbled pretty damned quick, and any concern of performance issues were quickly discovered to be baseless. Right up there with our previous encounter.

The kicker was in the end. Since this encounter turned out to be as intimate as ever, I decided to give her the token present I had already wrapped, which also contained the sugar. She balked, and after explaining my reasoning I offered that she could think it over and decide whether to keep it or not, whatever was most in her comfort zone. She later texted me that she had meant to give it back, didn't want the sugar to be part of this weekend's experience, and to not bring anything next time we meet. Uh, wow.

So I've been thinking about the nature of the relationship. While the baseline arrangement is a SD / SB pay-for-play, it reminds me more of what back-in-the-day would be called a "mistress". The latter often included financial help, if perhaps not as clearly defined as it is with SD / SB. But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.

While this may be angels-on-the-head-of-pin, where does she stop being a SB and start being a mistress?

To that point, I have no desire or plans to build a cadre of SB's-I can barely manage just one, and right now I'm damned happy with what I get out of this deal. While she could turn out to be an Oscar-worthy actress, all signs indicate that she's grateful for the financial help but really isn't in this for the sugar. She seems to get much more out of the companionship with a kind and mature individual, the emotional connection and support, the life-coaching and mentoring I provide, not to mention the "mind-blowing" sex.

What an interesting trip this has been so far.

As Revvo says,"be careful out there". To which I add, be more careful than me.

[FredMoore]

Re: SO We prob shouldn't get married, it always gets old We all feel that way.

Send a pic after good convo has been had and she seems interested. Girls are not as visual as guys and what matters the most is security (aka money)

The M&G is primarily a getting a feel for each other. Chit chat and thrill them with your rapier with, then near the end ask if they would like to see you again. If the answer is yes then ask her what she would like to get out of a relationship with you. We differ on whether to discuss sugar beforehand, but I think it is important to make sure you are in the ballpark. If they like you they are more likely to cut you a better deal, so M&G is good. If you are not a hot guy or particularly agile conversationalist she might require more sugar. I like to rule out the GPS girls brfore wasting my time and valuable courting dollars.

Sounds like you are off to a good start!

Thanks for the advice, bro-mongers.

I love my SO hut I just don't want to have sex with her. Oxymoron, eh? Am I all alone on this boat?

POT#3 When is ir a good time to send out my picture to them? I am no slug but neither am I a model.

What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?

I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one.

Take care and have fun,

MoJo

[Graham1]

Coming to you with a new handle as old one caused problems.

BB. Interesting frank discussion from all. Thank you to all who contributed. I really enjoy BB. Have done it for years with SO. And have the big V so no concern with little ones but also cannot bring anything home without nuclear apocalypse. Will try adjusting my new SBs on raincots and using the lube advice. I find if going greek it doesn't matter but that's pretty rare.

On allowance, I started at $$/visit and almost all said yes. But that was tough to hide in cash so slowly ratched down as I would be reluctant to pay the $$ and go for lower price. I expect multiple hours if not overnite from all. Had a recent interesting experience with 2 SBs. SB3 who I told I moved out of town emailed do I come back to visit. I emailed her I do but financial situation had changed and sugar would be "very limited". Says she doesn't care. Look her up. Mid 30's and not beautiful. Guess things are tough.

SB13. More about her later, again a 30 yo MILF who reminds me of Reese Witherspoon. Great tits. Ducked out early on 3rd date but texted a few days later can she come over as she has "needs". Told her she is out of sugar sequence so little to be had and she replied that's ok. So late evening booty call. She is flaky but at least doesn't want to marry me like SB 10. More on that one later.

Lately had M&G with late 30's POT. My guess 40's. Who stuck to $2K / month. Her $$$$$ solution was one nite a month of whoppee and one nite a month meet and greet. WTF. I really don't need anyone to tell me I am witty. I need you on all fours. Not sure if she gets any takers. Will have to ask.

Update you as I can but keep the faith guys. This sure is an interesting corner of the world!

[HappyHunter44]

My Pot #1 (that I had dropped already. See previous posts) emailed me last night after flaking with a similar story. It did not involve God, but the reason she said was she got confused. OK, I get that. I then told her to let me know when things are possible, and she responded that sounds good.

Just out of the blue a few hours later, I emailed her saying if she is in a money bind then let's make things simple. We meet; we horizontal bop; I gift $. Holy crap, she responded that sounded easier than the whole SD / SB thing. Go figure. Looks like a UTR in the making.

I will continue to develop the idea in her head. It is possible she has not thought through what she said. So she is back on the game a bit.

I just realized I do not think I identified this babe as POT #1. There were four pots I was dealing with. She is the main one who texted me for the time and place to get together. I went silent (work related) for a couple days, and she texted me saying she hopes I am still meeting her. Sounded promising.

Then when the day before comes, she flakes and no response to the confirmation text. Now she wants back into some game. Will play this one carefully.

[HappyHunter44]

A little bit of a crazy day on a rainy Friday.

So, after getting back from a M&G, which I will discuss later, I decided to send a txt to this AA HYB just to say hi. 20 minutes or so later, I got a strings of txts from her apologizing and begged me not to be mad at her. She told me she got cold feet and asked God for guidance, to give her a sign if she should go ahead and meet with me and get fucked. So God gave her a sign and blew out her transmission. LOL, not sure how much of that I can believe but it's not unusual for a non pro to get second thoughts and backed out.

So, being the gentleman that I am LOL. I played cool, and told her I completely understand her situation and apologize to her for being too direct and quick to get her panties off. So, I offered her a lunch date (at the FC) of course and nothing more. I gave her a list of restaurants near my work place and asked her what she likes me to get and she picked a chicken ceasar salad from Boston Market. I then asked her if she like desert, and she said 'depends on how things go, I might have you for desert'. LOL, her words so we'll see. Lunch date is Monday.

Another AA pot. So, I went to a M&G with his really hot AA spinner. She's 5'5 about 110 22yr old. In college and work as a hair stylist. I kid you not, she got an ass and set of tits like they belong to Byonce, and thick luscious lips. Think of her as a mini Byonce.

This is a first for me, getting a girl into the FC and failed to get her panties to drop. This MG didn't start well at all. First, she arrived almost an hour late. I was pissed, each time I txt her she kept saying she's almost here. Finally I sent a txt and told her I am going back to work, so she called me and said she's about 5 min away. So I decided to hang around a little longer, sure enough about 7 minute she arrived at the hotel. Gave her room number and she came right up. Once I open that door, all is forgotten. She's damn hot. Tight blue jeans, with mini tight tank tops, and long thick curly hair, smelled great. So we hug, and made our ways to edge of bed, sat and talk for about 30min, with a bit of light touching and caressing in between.

Long story short, after 30 min or so of talks. I gently asked her if we should have some fun and she bluntly responded NO. I just broke out laughing and said she's painfully straight. Well, we did agreed to a M&G only though.

We had a few more giggles over her response then got up and leave. But before exiting out the door, she asked if she could give me a kiss, so we hug, kissed and I got to grab that thick ass before we departed.

I sense a bit of GPS in this girl. Told me she wants to go back to college and finished her BS, and also want to start her own salon and would like a daddy to help with that. I told her I can only help with her bills, LOL. I wouldn't hold too much hope on her, but damn I would love to get her panties on the floor at least once. I will txt her next week and she if she's up for another visit at the FC, but only this time with my dick in her pussy. LOL

My Pot #1 (that I had dropped already. See previous posts) emailed me last night after flaking with a similar story. It did not involve God, but the reason she said was she got confused. OK, I get that. I then told her to let me know when things are possible, and she responded that sounds good.

Just out of the blue a few hours later, I emailed her saying if she is in a money bind then let's make things simple. We meet; we horizontal bop; I gift $. Holy crap, she responded that sounded easier than the whole SD / SB thing. Go figure. Looks like a UTR in the making.

I will continue to develop the idea in her head. It is possible she has not thought through what she said. So she is back on the game a bit.

[Member #5570]

So the theme of this board the past couple of days is 'flake'. In the interest of keeping my post on topic, I am happy to report that this Pot turns out to be a flake.

We were supposed to meet today at noon. Yesterday morning we were still texting like crazy. By late afternoon, she stopped responding to texts. This morning, no response whatsoever from my texts and voicemail. She went completely silence about 18 hours before our date.

I will lay low and check back with her in a week to see what happened to her.

A little bit of a crazy day on a rainy Friday.

So, after getting back from a M&G, which I will discuss later, I decided to send a txt to this AA HYB just to say hi. 20 minutes or so later, I got a strings of txts from her apologizing and begged me not to be mad at her. She told me she got cold feet and asked God for guidance, to give her a sign if she should go ahead and meet with me and get fucked. So God gave her a sign and blew out her transmission. LOL, not sure how much of that I can believe but it's not unusual for a non pro to get second thoughts and backed out.

So, being the gentleman that I am LOL. I played cool, and told her I completely understand her situation and apologize to her for being too direct and quick to get her panties off. So, I offered her a lunch date (at the FC) of course and nothing more. I gave her a list of restaurants near my work place and asked her what she likes me to get and she picked a chicken ceasar salad from Boston Market. I then asked her if she like desert, and she said 'depends on how things go, I might have you for desert'. LOL, her words so we'll see. Lunch date is Monday.

Another AA pot. So, I went to a M&G with his really hot AA spinner. She's 5'5 about 110 22yr old. In college and work as a hair stylist. I kid you not, she got an ass and set of tits like they belong to Byonce, and thick luscious lips. Think of her as a mini Byonce.

This is a first for me, getting a girl into the FC and failed to get her panties to drop. This MG didn't start well at all. First, she arrived almost an hour late. I was pissed, each time I txt her she kept saying she's almost here. Finally I sent a txt and told her I am going back to work, so she called me and said she's about 5 min away. So I decided to hang around a little longer, sure enough about 7 minute she arrived at the hotel. Gave her room number and she came right up. Once I open that door, all is forgotten. She's damn hot. Tight blue jeans, with mini tight tank tops, and long thick curly hair, smelled great. So we hug, and made our ways to edge of bed, sat and talk for about 30min, with a bit of light touching and caressing in between.

Long story short, after 30 min or so of talks. I gently asked her if we should have some fun and she bluntly responded NO. I just broke out laughing and said she's painfully straight. Well, we did agreed to a M&G only though.

We had a few more giggles over her response then got up and leave. But before exiting out the door, she asked if she could give me a kiss, so we hug, kissed and I got to grab that thick ass before we departed.

I sense a bit of GPS in this girl. Told me she wants to go back to college and finished her BS, and also want to start her own salon and would like a daddy to help with that. I told her I can only help with her bills, LOL. I wouldn't hold too much hope on her, but damn I would love to get her panties on the floor at least once. I will txt her next week and she if she's up for another visit at the FC, but only this time with my dick in her pussy. LOL

[HollywoodGuy]

This week brought a flurry of activity for me, and none positive. I had lots of Pots this week, including a couple of "residuals" as described earlier, and converted none. In addition, there is unrest with my active SB's; and I may soon be back at square one.

I have gotten pretty picky about the pics. Been fooled a few times myself.

[HollywoodGuy]

What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?

I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one.

Take care and have fun,

MoJo

Are they shaved smooth and do they have good kissing skills. If they they yes to those 2 questions I am more than half way home. Oh, and do they agree with $ per date.