"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Golfcart** · 02-19-13 02:50

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

(Edit Delete) I already received my first reply, a 32 YO MILF, but I think she thought she was on match. Com, as she said in her email that <gasp men on this site seem to be only interested in sex! I may email back and forth a bit and see if she really is that naive, but I think the odds of a home run in my first AB are low with her.

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This girl could turn out to be the crème de la crème if you let things happen at her pace and don't try to push on a string. She may come from a normal background and be in a normal situation.

**Dsprdo** · 02-18-13 22:45

Who first floated the idea of how nice it would be without the cover? If it was your little head, then the previous discussion covers it and you probably have all the input you need. If she brought it up "for you" then I would seriously consider getting snipped at your earliest convenience.

**Rob Taylor** · 02-18-13 21:57

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

I used to be on SA and SD4me at the same time and then I switched to SD4me exclusively when I saw a lot of the same girls were on both. (As it costs them nothing to join.) SA is geared to promote the SB at a higher level of compensation due to thier ridiculous drop down bar suggesting how much compensation they think they deserve per month. And there are less girls (less competition). The super hotties on SD4me are less than the average girls on SA due to their higher expectations. I am in L. A. Can't speak for anywhere else. But it's a buyers market in most areas of the country as far as I can tell. And can only get better over time as the acceptability of this lifestyle to the young girls is growing at a dramatic rate. And not to get political, but if the current government trend of job creation continues to push only the lowest paying jobs as a way out of the recession this can only help the SD side of the equation.

In my industry (to go unnamed) as the margins have fallen due in large part to government over regulation, healthcare fears and higher taxes, many people have been layed off (especially women under 30) hiring has stalled and everyones pay has been cut. This not only increases the desperation of the girls but also has limited the ability of the hobbyist to budget the larger amounts spent just a few short years ago.

I remember going to industry conventions where guys would drop 5k in one night in a strip club. That would be unthinkable today.

Interesting, other hobbiest have complained of the opposite, they are complaing that the improving economy.

Is contributed to GPS syndrome, and the true golden era is over, most of the college sb's who were affordable and normal. Are probably heading to work now or even at the low end with restaraunt and service work. I would think that most hobbiest would be spending their stock market money with the dow hitting 14k. I think if you were looking for a normal chick at an affordable rate the golden era was 10% unemployment. I think at 7% unemployment you have to scrape a bunch of UTR girls and nando's to find a gem or pay top dollar, with exception of the inner city. Though different markets are different rates.

**Member #5570** · 02-18-13 20:18

Thanks for the responses gentlemen.

I think most of us are rational and know very well the risks involved. However, during the moment, sometimes the little head gets the better of us all. I am having her try to bring me an STD test result this week before I bareback her, but I'll and must resist depositing any seeds in that womb.

BTW, she's a single mom with a 6yr old son. Use to wait tables at a local restaurant until she lost her job. In the process of hunting for a new job. She's about 30min from my work, but she doesn't mind taking the bus for an hour to come see me. She does looks clean with a straight head, and an average life and this is the only reason I consider doing it raw. I NEVER had it without a rubber with any girls before (except the wife). And ohh, I am only helping her out with $400 of rent a month and I see her any day I want (at least 2-3 times a week if I so desired).

**SubCmdr** · 02-18-13 19:51

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Smoke,

To me, this has disaster written all over it. What happens when she decides a Little Smoke would be a nice addition to her brood, along with 18 years of child support, and, oops, forgets to get that shot? Not to mention STDs. Are you married? Hard to explain away herpes and those monthly payments. There are many doors leading to Misery, and this is one of them. Unless you want to marry her, that is.

Brothers, am I wrong?

Mr. Scott,

I have to get on board with you here. Except with the STD issues. Danger goes to the insertive partner. Risk can be lowered with consistent STD testing. Condoms cannot completely prevent HSV as it spread by contact. Especially a concern since a number of you guys be eating that nasty garden tool pussy. I don't give a fuck what cha do behind closed door or in public for that matter. Dowhatchalike!

Married. Give her a STD. As long as you don't kill her. Accepted risk she took right? You two are in for life. For better or worse. Richer and poorer, Sickness and health and all that bullshit. And just reverse the situation. If your wife decided to fuck around on you, how would you want her to handle it? Practice safe sex? Use birth control? Another man impregnates your wife. You good with her having the child? If your wife is really down with you, you two can ride it out anything that life throws at ya. But 18 years of payments for unintentional womb rental. That is fucked up! And a pretty high cost for a few minutes of pleasure.

That being said, exercising good judgement is not always easy in the heat of the moment. True story. With a new garden tool. We in the mix. No mention of condoms. I hit it bare. Bust a big load up in her and then we relax for round two. Round two starts and we get to penetration 2. 0 and she says: "Don't cum in me this time. I'm not on birth control and that's how I got my son with my last ex. I'm going to have to get the morning after pill now". I'm like "Don't worry about it Baby I can't get you preg." And dive right in. Later I learn she has three children two different men. Wow! Booty bill plus STD risk. Not the best call Cmdr!

Yes, gentlemen. Hard to admit. But I am always prepared to stand and take my grade! At least Smoke is trying to think it out ahead of time. I give him A for rational thought outside of the bedroom as opposed to being caught up in the heat of moment like I was. This gentlemen is keeping it real. And why this IS the best forum on the board.

Go HAM on these garden tools and prosper!

SubCmdr out!

**F Scott** · 02-18-13 18:11

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Any of you find gentleman doing it raw and depositing your seeds inaide your babies. I've been banging this 23 yr old white single mom. So far my big head have been doing the thinking, but damn it's pretty temptin that thw options is available. And she said she's taking the depo shot every 3 months.

Smoke,

To me, this has disaster written all over it. What happens when she decides a Little Smoke would be a nice addition to her brood, along with 18 years of child support, and, oops, forgets to get that shot? Not to mention STDs. Are you married? Hard to explain away herpes and those monthly payments. There are many doors leading to Misery, and this is one of them. Unless you want to marry her, that is.

Brothers, am I wrong?

**FredMoore** · 02-18-13 17:49

The thing about the sb taking her profile down after signing on with you is that she is content. If their profile is still up they will continue to be hit on and are always looking for a better deal. If you are doing the same thing then all's fair. It's about expectations.

Cummin' inside your sb is absolutely insane, but amazing and I do it when they let me. It's surprising how many don't seem to care, especially the HCBs, who should know better.

**Member #5570** · 02-18-13 16:43

Any of you find gentleman doing it raw and depositing your seeds inaide your babies. I've been banging this 23 yr old white single mom. So far my big head have been doing the thinking, but damn it's pretty temptin that thw options is available. And she said she's taking the depo shot every 3 months.

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-18-13 15:40

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Quote Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

"Just curious how often other guys here ask the SBs to close their profiles."

I do

Here's the question of monogamy vs. Polygamy that always rears it's ugly head. I am referring to SBs who you are attracted on every level and not some dingbat who is blowing you in the back seat of your car. I am in favor of IT for multiple reasons.

1) STD limitation : You never know who they are doing behind closed doors but at least they are making a commitment to you

2) emotional commitment: They are content with you and don't need to prospect.

3) financial stability : Your sugar is providing enough for their needs so they are not desperate and edging towards the Nando 1 classification.

4) amateur status : They are not as likely to be multifuckers either out of greed, desperation, or pro bookings

5) Early warning : A newly reopened profile indicates her tiring of your services and emergence of a failure if items #1 through 4

I have never asked a girl to take down her profile. But I am not looking for a full time gf. And unless you are ready and have the time to fulfill all their sexual needs, why should they. Inevitably a few will go exclusive on their own with out being asked. I have had girls get weird because I an not asking what they do on their free time. Because they know what I am doing on mine. LOL. Also the type of girls attracted to these things are pretty sexual by nature.

I have had a couple of full time I pay for your whole life SB's. Way to much work in and out of the bedroom. And too expensive. For the same price you could have 4+ girls plus randoms. As far as STD"s get tested every 3 months and have them do the same. Planned Parenthood is free to all girls 25 and under

**SubCmdr** · 02-18-13 14:29

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Just curious how often other guys here ask the SBs to close their profiles.

Never done it. Never will. Reminds me of GolfCart's principle of not pushing on a string.

But I'm interested to know. How much money does it take to make a woman into your personal garden tool and have her give you exclusive rights to buy the pussy?

Shout out to the hard working Nando 1's. If you can't take the risks of dealing with this type of garden tool then you are wise to stay away. But they are my favorite. But I also have a unique set of skills honed over my career. I don't have the same types of worries that many of you have. I like Nando1's. They are more interesting and often way more sexual. And the best value in the garden tool market. And I've never had a Nando1 no show on me or fail to fulfill a futures contract obligation. And just on a personal note. Nando1's NEED the money. They are not rich spoiled little girls that are too lazy to get off their ass and get a real job while in college. Oh my, I don't have enough money to party so let me become a garden tool! Really? Preference for the Educated garden tools. A most fascinating concept. But not for me!

SubCmdr Out!

**Hernando** · 02-18-13 14:04

Quote Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

"Just curious how often other guys here ask the SBs to close their profiles."

I do

Here's the question of monogamy vs. Polygamy that always rears it's ugly head. I am referring to SBs who you are attracted on every level and not some dingbat who is blowing you in the back seat of your car. I am in favor of IT for multiple reasons.

1) STD limitation : You never know who they are doing behind closed doors but at least they are making a commitment to you

2) emotional commitment: They are content with you and don't need to prospect.

3) financial stability : Your sugar is providing enough for their needs so they are not desperate and edging towards the Nando 1 classification.

4) amateur status : They are not as likely to be multifuckers either out of greed, desperation, or pro bookings

5) Early warning : A newly reopened profile indicates her tiring of your services and emergence of a failure if items #1 through 4

**BigTigger** · 02-18-13 10:37

I usually don't require it, but most have done it voluntarily once we get into a groove. It's usually the woman who asks me what am I going to do about my profile and is checking up on when I last logged in, LOL.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Just curious how often other guys here ask the SBs to close their profiles.

**Revvo** · 02-18-13 10:08

Guys. This is not a joke. I thought I had good security and the the crazy ***** got through. She is taking a wrecking ball to my life. And seems to have plenty of time on her hands.

It may be more than one person. She may be part of a professional con artist team. Not sure yet. Seeing the attorney this morning.

The risks on this are higher than you can imagine. And I have not even done anything!

Revvo

**John G Smith** · 02-18-13 09:22

" JG Smith's UTR girl is a classic Nando 1 right down to the bf in prison. Brother, you do not want a professional criminal in your life."

Absolutely. I didn't know about the prison bf until the last meet. And if you read my previous post I was already planning to keep her at arm's length. But now yeah I'm totally done with her. I agree I think it's good advice to just completely avoid the Nando1s. Yes it can be easier to score with them, but often times it's short-lived and not worth the drama.

But I would remind you that divorce and other spousal problems are not the only, or for some of us even the worst, issues a bunny-boiler can cause. There are plenty of stories out there about jobs lost or whole careers ruined by such a crazy getting into the guy's work info and wrecking havoc, too.

Thanks for the reminder. I often forget about the risks it can cause to a job / career because I run my own business. If a psycho SB tries to call my work, it will just ring the phone on my desk, instead of my cell. I certainly won't be firing myself. And my SO doesn't work, our home number isn't listed, so for me in terms of work things are pretty sealed off and a dead-end for psychos. But obviously this isn't the case for everyone. We all have different areas where we are more vulnerable than others. Back again to the good advice from Hernando to just avoid Nando1s when possible.

College Athlete SB

Had our first meeting this weekend. It was basically just a M&G, but it went well. She's smoking hot and even better in person than her pictures. We got along well and when we discussed the "physical" component of the arrangement, she agreed and was on board. This was a relief since I was really trying to tread softly on the subject. We made out in the car and I think there's a good chance our next meeting will be at the FC. But of course you never know for sure until you're in It.

Also one requirement I had was for her to hide / disable her profile on the SD site. I could tell she was somewhat bummed, but she agreed to it anyway. Has anyone else asked their SB to close their profiles? I'm not kidding myself, I know that if she still wants to keep pursuing other SDs she will find a way. But at minimum it will send her underground and reduce the flow of messages she sends / receives. She has some really good pictures, so if she left her profile up she would just keep getting a good volume of responses daily. I've had two previous semi-long term SB arrangements (+3 months) and in both cases I required the SBs to stop playing the SD field. Whatever they did in their personal life was their business, but I prefer to be the only SD. And you don't necessarily have to pay a lot of money, you just have to find the right girl that you can cover the expenses and have somewhat of a connection. Of course there are still horror stories like Hernando's, so you never truly know. Just curious how often other guys here ask the SBs to close their profiles. I'll probably keep checking every week or so to see if she creates a new account on the current site or other SD sites. If she ends up having another SD it's not the end of the world. I just don't want her talking to 5-6 SD pots daily.

Got to agree, college (full-time) babies are the best babies. They're relatively stable, especially the 3rd and 4th year students. Yet they're still very sexual because hey, it's college. The only thing is, college babies can range from very affordable to mega-GPS. Even if they already have all the tuition, books, and rent paid for, some still demand an allowance equal to a junior executive. I think that's the tricky part is finding a college SB that is need of some help but still fairly independent.

**FredMoore** · 02-17-13 22:18

This forum is chocked full and I appreciate the wisdom displayed here.

My HCB is still in the picture. None of the replacement players have paid off yet. There are 3 apparent Nando 1's off SDFM that I am working.

#1 was scheduled for tonight and blew me off because she's too tired and has to work early tomorrow. Well no shit! I am never too tired for sex or making money. I also noticed she was on line at that very moment. So she is working a better deal. She has GPS and quoted a price per meet (PPM) of $800. I laughed and countered with $$ and she accepted the next day. So here we are today, so I offered to meet just for coffee, a true M&G. She then wanted money for gas and sitter just to meet me. I didn't answer. Scratch one.

#2 is on deck for tomorrow and she announced that she is a lady and no sex on the first date. So if she shows she will get no $$ and the first date either. I will treat her to dinner. She has not responded to my text about tomorrow's date and I noticed she is also on line right now. No allowance has been discussed yet. She is 21 size 2 with purple hair She is a cute 7/7/8. I like her loving banter so I hope she works out.

#3 AA hottie from SA 8/8? She blew me off Friday because something "came up". The only thing that should come up is my *well, you know.

AM pen pal is going nicely, but I do not know if this will ever go beyond the PP stage.

PF HCB (PF=Present Favorite) Is still there and mtg her Tues nite. I guess I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. She isn't a sex maniac buy I will try to be more patient. Maybe the rose will bloom in time.