"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Magic Rat** · 09-07-12 11:34

Commander. Unfortunately there are more of these Pots out there than we would like to think. Be ever vigilant my fellow brothers!

**JoesParty** · 09-07-12 10:50

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I mentioned earlier about how I base the allowance I give on the type of SB experience I think I'll get. But making that post also reminded me that I haven't really come close to the ideal SB experience I've been looking for.

This is basically my Ideal SB Experience:

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

If I found a SB who met all these requirements, then I would put all my resources into her and not mess around with other SBs. I'd basically close the stable until further notice. But unfortunately, I had never met a girl who checked all those items. She might meet 3 of the requirements, but not the other 3. On my ISBE (Ideal Sugar Baby Experience) scale, the highest a girl scored was 4/6. But usually I tend to settle for girls who score a 3/6.

As mentioned before, I had let my SA membership expire. But after a recent CL no-show, out of spite I decided to put the extra money toward a new month of SA. I sent out quite a few messages and actually got a decent amount of responses and prospects. But again none of them scored higher than a 3/6 on the ISBE scale. So I thought it was going to be the usual routine of rotating through 2-3 SBs who I might see semi-regularly. Basically glorified hookups.

Then out of nowhere, I got contacted by a 6/6! She read my profile and initiated contact. She's a petite very attractive college SB. (1/6) We started txting and basically hit it off immediately. (2/6) Her allowance needs are modest, she basically just wants rent taken care of. And since she has roommates, it's not that bad. (3/6) She's fine with getting together at her place and her roommates are supposedly open-minded and keep to themselves (4/6). She mentioned she thought I was handsome in the pics I sent her (5/6). And she just lives about a hour away. Okay I probably should score it 5. 5/6 because the distance is a tad farther than I'd prefer, but a hour drive isn't that bad and since she has her own place and everything else is so awesome, I'll give her the extra. 5. (6/6)

So we're going to try to meet this weekend. I just can't believe how she literally just fell into my lap. I'm getting the vibe that she's had a sugar daddy before. She's already comfortable with the idea of being intimate and has realistic expectations for what she can get out of a SD / SB relationship, so no GPS. I was beginning to think a 6/6 ISBE was a unicorn for me, but now I'm a believer again.

So if this weekend goes well, Monday morning I'll be burning up the stable (most of the other horses are out to pasture anyway) and put this filly in her own special quarters.

Not to brag, but they are out there. I've got one who's an easy 5 out of 6 on your scale. Had another exciting romp with her this week. I just can't resist when she says "I want you inside me."

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

Yes. As I've mentioned before, she's 18. Other than the pink hair (which she says is going back to natural soon) , she's more or less your girl next door. No tats. Bottom lip pierced, but that's it. Not petite, but slim (she's too tall to be "petite" I think).

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

She's been very happy with the modest allowance I've been providing on a weekly basis. Hasn't asked for anything specific, nor has she requested anything in advance.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

Here's her only downfall: she still lives at home with mom. Tells mom we're "dating" so mom doesn't ask too many questions when she goes out. So yes, I do need to arrange a FC in advance. I've found one nearby, though, for not too much $$.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

Super friendly and clearly into me. I've had to make it clear I'm not looking for a girlfriend here.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

20 minutes from home, but far enough and in a different enough part of town that our social circles don't cross.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

See above. She's made it clear she really likes me. Can't get enough of me in bed. She's a keeper.

Given all of this, I've put all my other beauties and prospects out to pasture indefinitely, even ATF, who has taken advantage of me too much lately without providing enough in return. Sad to see ATF go, but it all ends at some point, right?

So, John, it is possible. But I'm the first to admit it takes a LOT of luck. Best of luck to you as you pursue this potential perfect score this weekend.

**SubCmdr** · 09-07-12 10:30

OPSEC = Operational security. It is the principal that when running a operation that requires security you should operate on a need to know basis.

While texting a Pot SB she explained to me that she was simple girl that did not need much. Only a few dollars to buy a dress on occasion or some shoes. When we agreed to meet she said she needed some shopping money. She requested $800. I declined. She then requested $300. I declined. This was her next text message to me:

'I will be calling your wife. I never sell my pussy for $300 or my mouth boo I was selling your old ass a dream and the funny thing about your WIFE HIRED ME ALL THESE TEXT MESSAGES ARE BEING FORWARD TO HER AS WE SPEAK SHE FIGURED YOU WAS CHEATING AND NEEDED EVIDENCE YOU DUMB B**** NOW SHE GOT IT I HOPE SHE TAKE YOUR B**** ASS FOR EVERYTHING HUNNY SO GUESS WHAT either way I was getting some of your money regardless And our emails you fucking prick have fun getting a divorce. '

Now the B don't know jack about me. So, I just laughed and moved on to the next profile. Does anyone question why it is important to run silent and run deep? Because you never know when you are going to run into a garden tool with internet access. The World Wide Web is the Wild Wild West! Stay on alert. Keep you game tight. Put in the work. Hit the gym. Do your leg presses. Because gentlemen, when you kick your garden tools in the ass they MUST know you mean business!

SubCmdr out

**John G Smith** · 09-07-12 06:09

I mentioned earlier about how I base the allowance I give on the type of SB experience I think I'll get. But making that post also reminded me that I haven't really come close to the ideal SB experience I've been looking for.

This is basically my Ideal SB Experience:

- A very attractive petite college-aged girl. A girl who looks normal and doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

- Has modest financial needs. Someone who is pretty independent and just needs help with a few major bills to make life easier.

- Has an apartment or place we can meet, so I don't have to keep booking and spending money on FCs.

- A friendly girl who is easy to talk to and eager to chat / txt semi-regularly between meets.

- Doesn't live too far away. Has enough flexibility / openings in her schedule to meet regularly.

- Finds me at least somewhat handsome / attractive.

If I found a SB who met all these requirements, then I would put all my resources into her and not mess around with other SBs. I'd basically close the stable until further notice. But unfortunately, I had never met a girl who checked all those items. She might meet 3 of the requirements, but not the other 3. On my ISBE (Ideal Sugar Baby Experience) scale, the highest a girl scored was 4/6. But usually I tend to settle for girls who score a 3/6.

As mentioned before, I had let my SA membership expire. But after a recent CL no-show, out of spite I decided to put the extra money toward a new month of SA. I sent out quite a few messages and actually got a decent amount of responses and prospects. But again none of them scored higher than a 3/6 on the ISBE scale. So I thought it was going to be the usual routine of rotating through 2-3 SBs who I might see semi-regularly. Basically glorified hookups.

Then out of nowhere, I got contacted by a 6/6! She read my profile and initiated contact. She's a petite very attractive college SB. (1/6) We started txting and basically hit it off immediately. (2/6) Her allowance needs are modest, she basically just wants rent taken care of. And since she has roommates, it's not that bad. (3/6) She's fine with getting together at her place and her roommates are supposedly open-minded and keep to themselves (4/6). She mentioned she thought I was handsome in the pics I sent her (5/6). And she just lives about a hour away. Okay I probably should score it 5. 5/6 because the distance is a tad farther than I'd prefer, but a hour drive isn't that bad and since she has her own place and everything else is so awesome, I'll give her the extra. 5. (6/6)

So we're going to try to meet this weekend. I just can't believe how she literally just fell into my lap. I'm getting the vibe that she's had a sugar daddy before. She's already comfortable with the idea of being intimate and has realistic expectations for what she can get out of a SD / SB relationship, so no GPS. I was beginning to think a 6/6 ISBE was a unicorn for me, but now I'm a believer again.

So if this weekend goes well, Monday morning I'll be burning up the stable (most of the other horses are out to pasture anyway) and put this filly in her own special quarters.

**EasyGoingJ** · 09-06-12 14:54

After some friendly texting to establish clear expectations I met with " Susie " from SA in Charlottesville, her face pic is blurred for a good reason and she did not match her physical description. When I resisted her efforts at upselling and setting a time to meet again she did an abrupt grab of the cash $ she could get her hands on and dashed. I have been in touch with her the last two days to give her an opportunity to make things right with no success so I am reluctantly posting this warning. PM for details if you need them.

Also have info to share on my experiences with several other sb's (mainly from SA) in the central Virginia area.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 13:57

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

One of our colleagues uses a prepaid card for the amount of the monthly fee, avoiding the cancellation issue.

I just change the. You get a new one same day. Only use a card that is for re-billing sites. So there may be a couple other sites that need to be updated. But at sd4me. If you cancel they give you a free month after a few days.

**Magic Rat** · 09-06-12 13:03

One of our colleagues uses a prepaid card for the amount of the monthly fee, avoiding the cancellation issue.

**Member #5055** · 09-06-12 07:04

From personal experience the seeking arrangement site is by far the best. Also their monthly membership does NOT auto renew! Other sites renew and can be a devil to cancel!

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Are you guys searching / members of all the usual sd sites? I been on sd4me for 5 years. I like it the best. And I do favor black girls and any foreign / exotic types of which this site is disproportionately loaded with them at least in L. A.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 01:30

Are you guys searching / members of all the usual sd sites? I been on sd4me for 5 years. I like it the best. And I do favor black girls and any foreign / exotic types of which this site is disproportionately loaded with them at least in L. A.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-06-12 01:21

I am in L. A. But I saw this thread. And I been a sd for a while now. I will read up on this thread before I post my 2 cents. The only thing I will say is this site has helped me a lot in keeping the costs down. Especially in these trying times. I don't do BP or the other escort sites. More into snatching up a new sb or non pro before they really know whats up. Or the ones that for whatever reason have not hit the pot of gold and are reasonable. Also look for the ones that want guidance in bed or work or where ever. Nice to me you all.

**Golfcart** · 09-06-12 00:46

Originally Posted by AOneFred7734 [View Original Post]

Yes its all over. I've done $ hr to $$$$ hr (with video) I've done 4 overnighters two at $$$$$$ and two at ($$$$$ and they were better) In the last 2. 5 yrs I have seen right at 120 dif girls I am to the point the less $ gets you more time in the hole. And I think I have a better with them. And they ask when are you coming back.

Has anyone considered the risks associated with being asleep with a person we do not really know?

**JoesParty** · 09-05-12 09:22

I agree with everything that my brothers have said so far, so I'll only add a couple thoughts. Like so many others, I was over-eager in the beginning and WAY overpaid with the first two. It's not that they weren't worth it, per se, but it did put a strain on my ability to maintain cover at home, and I eventually ended both relationships because they felt too much like business and not enough like the casual NSA I was looking for.

One thing I learned, though, in talking with these and other prospects is that, although the girls get lots of contacts, the talent pool of eligible guys isn't that deep. Many of the guys they hear from are creeps, ugly, or otherwise undesirable. Some of the girls are so desperate they'll see these guys anyway, but I've found that if you can convince them you're a genuine nice guy, they are willing to take a lower allowance. Start low and negotiate from there. If they're offended at your offer, they still believe they can get more somewhere else, and more power to them if they do. But in a couple of cases, I've had very good luck by treating the lady with respect during our M&Gs. Inexperience counts, too. My 18yo HYB is thrilled with whatever amount I give her. I don't think I'm being cheap, as I'd like to keep her on my payroll instead of having her jump at the next guy who flashes her some cash.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although the girls always say they have choices when choosing a SD, *we* have choices too. Step back, take a minute to think about it, and you'll be happier with the choices you make.

**AliasSM** · 09-05-12 07:24

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Like you guys, what I've paid has been all over the map. But now I've settled between $ to $$$ per outing. Generally I like to keep everything including the FC under $$$.

As for how I determine what SB I give $ and what SB I give $$$, it's not actually totally based on looks / aesthetics. A few months ago, a pretty hot SB I met off CL wanted to meet for $$.5. But due to schedules (she had kids and was married) our time would be extremely limited. We basically would just be at the FC for 30-60 min. A one and done deal. So I passed on her because if I just wanted a quick thrill with a hot chick, I'd find an escort. Not to be crass, but pussy in short bursts is almost indistinguishable from another.

I give +$$ to SBs who I plan to hang out with for at least 3-4 hours. This way we have enough time to relax, get to know each other, and maybe have multiple romps. If I'm able to enjoy the company of a nice young woman for a whole evening, then it's worth the $$. $$$ to me because I get the complete mistress-experience. I'm not looking for a girlfriend (too much emotional involvement) and I'm not looking for an escort (zero connection, clock watching). But for me personally I am looking for the classic mistress experience. A girl on the side who treats you like a king for your brief time together. Someone who you can be uninhibited with and someone who will pamper you in the bedroom (ie. After sex massages and etc). Obviously this isn't possible if the SD / SB relationship is just a hit and quit it ordeal.

So when I'm establishing my mental price in my head, during the initial discussions I find out how much time the pot SB will be available. Even if she's insanely hot, I'll probably only offer no more than $.5 if she's just going to spread her legs and then leave after 30 min. At that point, a hole is just a hole no matter how good she looks, so that SB experience is a lower value to me. But if she's able to spend the whole afternoon / evening with me or we can get together at her place, then I may offer her more because the SB experience is more in line with what I'm looking for.

So yes desirability / quality of the SB does play a part, but I look at the whole experience I'm going to get to determine how much I'm going to invest. The way I look at it, I'm not paying for the SB, I'm paying for the total experience. Having this mentality helps keep things in perspective and to walk away from bad deals. When I first started, I would jump at any girl who would rush to the FC. Now I'm a little more deliberate and I make sure I'm going to get the experience I want.

Totally agree with your approach. The $ SB I was with this past weekend was a CL contact that had only a short time to spare. She was hot in all of the right ways and was really into the DATY and sex, but I can't see paying any more to her unless she has some time to hang out and relax a little with me. The $$$ experience was for an entire evening out, the SB was in no hurry and was enjoying the nice dinner we had together, and she provided the FC (her place). It was a special night that I will remember for a while. I can see the advantage of spending time with both of these in the future, but for entirely different experiences.

So I think we are in the same approx price range. It might take a little longer to find the right match in that range though. I've had several SBs quote me $$$$$ but that's just a bit outside my comfort range. I could spend the money, but it's harder to hide that level of expense from the warden and it raises the risk too much for me. And why do it when there are plenty of options for less.

**John G Smith** · 09-05-12 06:47

Like you guys, what I've paid has been all over the map. But now I've settled between $ to $$$ per outing. Generally I like to keep everything including the FC under $$$.

As for how I determine what SB I give $ and what SB I give $$$, it's not actually totally based on looks / aesthetics. A few months ago, a pretty hot SB I met off CL wanted to meet for $$.5. But due to schedules (she had kids and was married) our time would be extremely limited. We basically would just be at the FC for 30-60 min. A one and done deal. So I passed on her because if I just wanted a quick thrill with a hot chick, I'd find an escort. Not to be crass, but pussy in short bursts is almost indistinguishable from another.

I give +$$ to SBs who I plan to hang out with for at least 3-4 hours. This way we have enough time to relax, get to know each other, and maybe have multiple romps. If I'm able to enjoy the company of a nice young woman for a whole evening, then it's worth the $$. $$$ to me because I get the complete mistress-experience. I'm not looking for a girlfriend (too much emotional involvement) and I'm not looking for an escort (zero connection, clock watching). But for me personally I am looking for the classic mistress experience. A girl on the side who treats you like a king for your brief time together. Someone who you can be uninhibited with and someone who will pamper you in the bedroom (ie. After sex massages and etc). Obviously this isn't possible if the SD / SB relationship is just a hit and quit it ordeal.

So when I'm establishing my mental price in my head, during the initial discussions I find out how much time the pot SB will be available. Even if she's insanely hot, I'll probably only offer no more than $.5 if she's just going to spread her legs and then leave after 30 min. At that point, a hole is just a hole no matter how good she looks, so that SB experience is a lower value to me. But if she's able to spend the whole afternoon / evening with me or we can get together at her place, then I may offer her more because the SB experience is more in line with what I'm looking for.

So yes desirability / quality of the SB does play a part, but I look at the whole experience I'm going to get to determine how much I'm going to invest. The way I look at it, I'm not paying for the SB, I'm paying for the total experience. Having this mentality helps keep things in perspective and to walk away from bad deals. When I first started, I would jump at any girl who would rush to the FC. Now I'm a little more deliberate and I make sure I'm going to get the experience I want.

**AOneFred7734** · 09-04-12 22:24

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

That begs the question as to how much is too much to spend on this hobby. It obviously depends on the quality and desirability of the SB, as well as the amount of discretionary income of the SD. But at some point, there is a ceiling on what a pussy is worth. My range is as low as $ per session and as high as $$$ per session, and I contributed to both of those extremes this past weekend. The $ was a young MILF with no job, a baby, and no real precious knowledge of the SB world. The $$$ was for a quality lady that anyone would be proud to take to dinner, is going back to school to get her degree, and can carry on a conversation with anyone at any level. But the sex was just as satisfying with both of them, so did I overpay or underpay?

I struggle with the dollar amount to agree to each time I meet a new SB. One thing that I have found though is that it's awful hard to go down once the $ amount has been set. You almost always have to break it off and renegotiate with a new SB. I had 4 meetings over the weekend and spent $, $$$, $.5, and $$.5 in that order. I guess it mostly depends on how good a negotiator she is at the first meeting. I'd be interested in knowing what you all spend. I'd guess it's all over the board. Same as me.

Yes its all over. I've done $ hr to $$$$ hr (with vido) I've done 4 overnighters twoat$$$$$$ and twoat ($$$$$ and they were better) In the last 2. 5 yrs I have seen right at 120 dif, girls I am to the point the less $ gets you more time in the hole. And I think I have a better with them. And they ask when are you coming back.