"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Spitfire]

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/a...p/t-34387.html

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

I second Spit's experience. At one time I had paid, all-access memberships on three SB sites, Seekingarrangements, SD4me, and *************. SA only bills by the month, so that, for me, was the no-brainer. When your membership runs out, you're cut off from the babies. Simple as that. I forget what I had to do to cancel AM, but it must not have been much. In my opinion, the entire site was a shill to get you to go to a paying webcam site. SD4me was another matter altogether. They kept billing my card, which was, by the way, an on-line only statement account that my SO is not aware of, my hobby card if you will, and I finally had to contact customer service at the sponsoring bank to cancel that card and get a new one. It was a little embarrassing having to explain to the service rep, a woman (of course) , what the situation was and why I wanted to cancel. In the end, it all worked out, but as Spit said, it took some doing.

As I have previously posted, for my area, Chicago, SA is far and away the best pool of babies. New ones come on every day, not all of them my taste, but still, how great is that?

In terms of other helpful hints for the newbies, I always pay cash where ever I can, don't use my real name ever, and use a dedicated burner phone that I keep mostly off in a secure location unless I am expecting a visit or a call. The one problem I have encountered with this approach is that most babies like to text. Apparently email is too low tech for the 20-somethings. Since my phone is fairly basic, a message such as "I'd love to see you on Tuesday for some totally hot f*cking" takes me approximately 20 minutes to execute. Does anyone have a suggestion?

I also follow Nando's approach to the hotel room. The less of a trail there is, the better. It also subtly shifts the dynamic a bit; your baby is no longer just passive, but now an active participant in the session you are planning, together.

As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights. One of the recent posts I read dissed on a poor SD simply for having the sugar in small denominations. She dumped the poor shmo for that reason alone. For me, point taken, and I now only proffer Benjamins, not Jacksons. They are capricious beings, these babies.

Lastly, I would say, once you have a backlog of contacts, some of which may not have panned out on the initial go-around, don't presume that hey are dead leads. I have let my SA subscription lapse for a couple of months, and am going back through my email contacts and reconnecting, and have fucked three babies so far that I had not followed through with the first time for one reason or another. No excuses given, no explanation asked. Just a short "it's been a long time, are you still interested" seems to be enough to get the dialogue started. But above all, be respectful. These are not pros, (although there are those, but they're easy to weed out) , so you must treat them accordingly. Do not, under any circumstances, send them a picture of your unit, awake or asleep. This is the single most common deal-breaker I have heard from my babies. This is a great thread, a great approach to the hobby, and for me has been a great experience. I am ten pounds lighter than I was when I started, I work out more, am more productive at my job, and have a far more positive outlook on life than before, all due, I am convinced, to my new hobby of fucking hot young women. Who would have guessed?

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[Golfcart]

(Edit Delete) I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. (Edit Delete)

Nando, she's a college girl. The monogamous talk will irritate her, scare her and chase her away.

(Edit Delete) I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. (Edit Delete)

Trust always bites us in the ass, on that final dalliance that only she knows is the final one, when we trust her then, too.

I don't want to see Nando hurt.

[Spitfire]

Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.

If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.

[Spitfire]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.

I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg.

I agree with this. It's always a good thing to explore some of the amenities of the hotel with her too. Spa, Sauna, Pool, Room Service, etc. Give her a good experience as well as good sex. The little things, such as opening a door for her, etcetera really do go a long way.

[Member #5570]

Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.

[Hernando]

MagicRat and Big Tigger are on the same trail that I currently am. I have converted from a MF (multi fucker) to a SO. I have a SB I have been seeing for a long time.mostly exclusively. She is eating up all my play money gladly I must say. Even though I love variety when you find something special it makes sense to stick with it.

What's there not to like? I have a bright and beautiful college girl who is uber loving and not demanding who prefers to spend all night with me for the $ of a 1 hour escort date.I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. Most of the other girls I have spent time with are seriously flawed and more often than not down on their luck and not classy gals. So I am not trolling right now. If our relationship falls apart then I will be back to SD4Me, etc with much higher expectations than before. I have experienced the Mecca and don't want to go back.

Hotels : I have asked her to take care of the hotel from what I give her, so I don't have a paper trail to worry about. She opts to get $ 50 / nite chains in the area we play and I am totally OK with that. I suggest giving the responsibility to your baby after the initial dallience and you are sure that she wants to continue the relationship. Then the burden is off you. I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. But still, she has enough Money / credit to front the hotel and isn't dead broke and creditless like the other Nando I ' s.

[Magic Rat]

You definitely need to get the level of membership where you can exchange messages with the SBs. What's the point otherwise? I'm a long time monger with escorts and strippers mostly and this SB deal is the best thing I've ever done hands down. I've had 4 "regulars" over the past couple of years, and only one turned out bad. I'm on the fourth one now and don't see anyone else but her. Not sure how long it will last but it's been far and away the best so far. All sbs have been multiple hours to overnights for the price of an escort for one hour. Some only want the one hour or wham bam deal, but that's not what I'm after.

As far as nice hotels go, remember Priceline is your friend. A site I've used very successfully along with Priceline is http://www.biddingtraveler.com/ You give a range of prices and it keeps bidding for you without having to wait the 24 hours if your bid is rejected. It also tells you bids that have been accepted and rejected. It's helped me out a lot in my travels.

[BigTigger]

Really, how much does it cost us when we waste our time with fakes, ripoffs and the like. I've wasted much more money in different ways without any chance of good pudding! I've wasted more money on bad pudding too!

If you think that you will ask yourself afterwards if you would have paid the extra money to have a better chance of getting the choice you want, then it's worth it.

Not to mention, you don't want to be seen as cheap / broke. If you can't pay for the extra upgrade, she may think you can't really take care of her.

for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.

[Golfcart]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. (Edit Delete)

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg. (Edit Delete)

Yes.

We should take her to a nice hotel so she does not feel cheap, so she does not feel like we are treating her as being cheap. We think. Women feel. We also need to look like we have the money we are spending. The hotel plays a part in that. We don't want her wondering if her gift will be coming from a jar of quarters or coming at all by taking her to a cheap hotel. She will notice if we leave a tip in the room for housekeeping. If we take her to dinner she will notice the tip we add to the bill. She will notice how we interact with the wait staff. There is a good chance she has waited tables at some point in the past. No looking at other women. No display of affection in public. The whole idea is for her to feel secure with us or we won't be getting in her pants.

She may be a SB. We may be a SD. But at the core we are still in high school. We are re-doing high school.

[Member #5570]

1. Not counting hotel $-$$$

2. Most are amateurs (but keep your spidey sense working just in case)

3. Be engaging, funny, fully paid member, give examples of how you would spoil her, make sure to use the terms "no drama" and "break from reality", in your write up and put thought into what you say and how, let them see without you saying it, that you are smart, articulate and successful.

Thanks Big. I am currently on page 22. Looks like I got another 20+ pages to cover. Did pick up the "slipping the sugar" thing in the purse and not to discuss sugar in advance. If I knew this, I wouldn't have blew up my opportunity with a hot 20yr chic that responded to my CL ad. I made the mistake of discussing sugar with her, and she took offend and apologized and said adios. .

Ok. I opened an account with SD4M yesterday. Still working on my profile (with fake pic of course. LOL)

I entered my zip code and there were over 500 listings within a 25mi radius. What am I going to do? Send out 500+ emails?

edit: for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.

[BigTigger]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.

I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg.

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I'm looking at my account now, here are some real world examples:

Westin $66.

Wyndham $68.

Embassy Suites $83.

Sheraton $71.

Hilton $101

[BigTigger]

1. Not counting hotel $-$$$

2. Most are amateurs (but keep your spidey sense working just in case)

3. Be engaging, funny, fully paid member, give examples of how you would spoil her, make sure to use the terms "no drama" and "break from reality", in your write up and put thought into what you say and how, let them see without you saying it, that you are smart, articulate and successful.

Alrite gents, stumbled across this thread and things here seemed a bit interesting.

I have been playing the non-pros game on CL for the past few months and found some nice cuties and it does take some work.

A few questions if you don't mind.

1) what's the typical damage per date with girls on this site?

2) are they pro, semi-pro, or amateurs? Do they know what the deal is?

3) any tips for setting up a new profile?

Many thanks, and I'll follow this thread closely to learn the ropes.

[BigTigger]

Nando is right on with this post. I'd like to add, I've found the SB / SD sites to have hotter women, better choices of age range, better options for traveling and your best chance for being on a site where the women out number the men.

Ashley M, CL, Bpage, Fling, AFF all have varying degrees of success, but tend to pale in comparison to the main 3 SD / SB sites. (SD4m, SA, SDie. Com)

Being a grizzled veteran of AMPs, Escorts, Dating sites. I'm now a walking advertisement for SD / SB. The money difference is not significant enough for me to go back. Not to mention, I can't remember the last time I've been with a woman for just an hour or 30-45 mins of that hour I paid for.

Even now (not sure for how long) , I'm having passionate GFE sex with a beautiful young (22) Spanish hottie at least weekly. I've already had 3 over nights. 1 out of town trip and great sex every time. Never have any of the meetings been less than 3 hours. For a bonus, the sugar is coming in way below standard. This would not have happened if I would not been on the SB / SD site.

We did not discuss Sugar in advance, however my normal rule of thumb is to minimally pay for "sitter" and "gas". Then I through some extra for the young lady to enjoy.

BigTigg.

If you review this entire thread I think you will find everything that can be covered about Sugar Babies.

Money is pretty much THE issue in landing sugar babes. Many of of us have categorized these girls as to their motivation and life circumstances IOHO of course. They have educated themselves as to the going rate for escorts in this area and I think that is their starting point in negotiating with us. It totally depends on desperation I believe. Nando type I 's, for example, are desperately poor, usually have kids and no support, and can't work (or don't want to) , therefore will discount their services. Nevertheless, the rate here seems to be from $ to $$$. Vegas and the Left coast. Probably talking a lot higher. If you start high you will never be able to go down, so I think $$-$$.5 is reasonable for an extended date-even overnight. If they want to be paid by the hour then you might as well see escorts and not risk falling for a SB. And the room is covered. GPS (golden pussy syndrome) exists and is alive and well unfortunately. If the girl wants way above the area rate then run like hell. Pussy is pussy and in no way shape or form is a dallience worth over $$$ unless she is a virgin fashion model and you are popping that cherry for the first time.

Long term costs are high and depend on the number of babies you want on your string and how often you want to play. With SB's you have higher costs than escorts because 1) you pay her 2) you cover the room. 3) you wine and dine her. 4) perhaps you bring a gift, so her fee is only the beginning. A golden rule that we all must follow. And many of us don't and get burned. Is. Do not pay in advance expecting her to work off the advance. I should repeat that in several different languages. I keep thinking that my Junk is so special that the baby will be honest and true to me. Wrong!

Some of the senior sages here recommend NOT discussing $ in advance, since the babe can keep the illusion that she is not a HO. I disagree since they are all on there for a payday and it is better up front to know what to expect. I usually ask them what they expect out of our first date. And let them know that I expect to sleep with them. In a discrete way of course. I am not interested in a courtship-just get down to business after perhaps a drink or even dinner.

[Member #5055]

This amazing thread is certainly attracting an audience way outside it's area.

I have some info on a local Richmond VA SB. So if RICHMOND SM's ONLY please would I'm me. I will give them some details.

Regards.

GW