Western Track/Jefferson Track

[Ghost323]

Recently had her in my rotation of favs and she slipped off the radar. Didn't have contact number wondering if anyone was lucky to snatch one if they saw her. WSW usually by 2nd st.

[Lexx1]

Gotcha. But how would one find such a woman? Wouldn't they have already put themselves out there on SA or such? Because if I found a girl on SA who said I was her first and she has never done it before I would think it's BS about 99% of the time. Unless you're hitting up cashiers and waitresses and leaving your card + hinting at sugar, and some hit you up later. That makes more sense.

Read my previous post on how we used to find them. SA is different because a girl makes a decision to go into that lifestyle and knows she expected to fuck. She puts her pics on there and yes there's the potential that they can have multiple daddies.

A non-pro on the other hand wasn't advertising or anything or pics posted. You couldn't even consider them a UTR. Sometimes some girls would think it's prostitution which is understandable. When that happened some you could convince to try it out, as in helping each other out and some you couldn't. I didn't stress over that or overthink it. Just move on to the next girl. Because there were plenty more open to it.

As for "receipts" and sharing a girl. We actually used to post reports with pics and tried sharing girls in the beginning. You would ask the girl if she might need extra help and open to seeing friends. Then if a guy here asked for a referral and you felt you trusted him. You'd pass along the info. But when that referral started to talk to the girl about this site and threw you under the bus. You'd lose that girl. It happened to a few dudes and myself as well. I got burned twice by douchebag White Knights on here. I wasn't going to let it happen a third time. So after that we all said fuck that. No more sharing of girls and no more report pics. Because you don't know who you can trust on this site. Technically we shouldn't have been sharing them in the first place or posting report pics. But we were learning as we went along. Because they're not a traditional pro or even UTR to be passing around their info. Essentially pimping them out.

[Chupacabra]

Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.

I'd call that semi-pro or AA ball.

[Chupacabra]

This is one reason why I don't really like that world. Been there, done that, and it sounds like a rationalization to me. The girl wants to say she isn't fucking the guy for money, but she expects financial help from him. Maybe it's just paying her utility bill, or it could be buying her an expensive hand bag. She expects it. And the guys expects her to fuck him. (Marriage actually strikes me as a similar type of deal.).

I prefer the streetwalkers or the agency girls who are honest about what's happening. Give me cash and I'll fuck you. Straight up.

I'm with you. Hookers are the only honest women these days, as far as I can tell. The rest live in a fantasy world where they can do no wrong, can rationalize anything, and must never, ever, be shamed or face consequences for poor decisions.

[Chupacabra]

If you read the nonpro or sugarbaby thread you'd know. A non-pro is basically any civie girl that's never been paid for sex and needs some financial help. It's a bit similar to a sugarbaby. But a sugarbaby knows what being a sugarbaby entails and goes in knowing she's expected to fuck. A non-pro usually only needs help with very simple things like maybe paying a cellphone bill, gas, some other small bill, etc. And they usually sometimes maybe only meet up one time, a few times or sometimes long-term. Some at the end don't even want the money anymore and just enjoyed your company and the good fuck. A sugarbaby is usually long-term and more expensive.

Yes once a girl has accepted being paid for sex. She technically has become a pro. But you don't refer to a non-pro as a pro. Because you didn't initially find her as a pro. You keep that to yourself. And you keep using the term non-pro. Some non-pros graduate to become a sugarbaby but it's not common. Most only need the help temporarily and never do it again.

Gotcha. But how would one find such a woman? Wouldn't they have already put themselves out there on SA or such? Because if I found a girl on SA who said I was her first and she has never done it before I would think it's BS about 99% of the time. Unless you're hitting up cashiers and waitresses and leaving your card + hinting at sugar, and some hit you up later. That makes more sense.

[Lexx1]

Nonpro.

Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.

You're talking to the wrong dude trying to convince him what a non-pro is. He doesn't get it and never will. Because he never participated.

A non-pro is just a civie girl that needs some temporary help. That's it. It's almost like a sugarbaby but not as deep or involved. You would find a non-pro in the personals / dating section of Craigslist and also on Backpage in the same section. But Backpage doesn't exist anymore and Craigslist shut down its personals section back in 2018. Back then it was a gold mine finding a non-pro. I had so many girls lined up that sometimes I didn't have enough time to get to them all. And had plenty of contacts still, that I had gathered, that lasted me through 2020. These girls were sometimes young college girls, some girls had bf's and some girls even husband's. Ages between 18 to 28. I can still occasionally find a non-pro on Craigslist but it's alot harder now since the personals section doesn't exist anymore to post an ad in. Craigslist was by far the best place to find one back then. And it was free to post an ad, still is. Everything was anonymous until a girl answered your ad and then you exchanged pics. And then you took it from there discussing her needs and what you could help out with.

[PriscillaM]

Nonpro.

Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.

Now that first sentence is a good definition. But any girl who does sell pussy is not reliable in any other field of employ. So, I still posit that more than 50% of a nonpro's AGI is from selling sniz.

[MongerSeeker]

Nonpro.

Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.

Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.

But the logic here is the key:

A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.

The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.

[PriscillaM]

Like I said man if you never tried it. Then you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is fine because it means one less knucklehead and more girls for the rest of us. I know what I've done and continue to do.

Just stick to your Asian grannies in those westside AMPs. That's your expertise and what you should comment on.

Think I'll take your profile's banner message and finally add you to the ignore list.

I did a few gigs with "non pros" - these were girls on the periphery of the pro scene. They were flakier than the pros and I have no desire to have a friend "with benefits" I just want the benefits and work overtime at vons to pay for it.

As for ignore lists, I am not sure I get the point.

To me all this social media is like the old white pin board at the local cafe, you would see ads for guitar lessons, protests against the expansionist huge massive multi continental larger than any other country state of Israel, rideshare requests to the city, sublet ads, etc. If I could, I guess I would ignore the ads for used underwear, but then I would not be heeding the words of King David as repeated by Ben zoma:

Ben Zoma would say: Who is wise? One who learns from every man. As is stated (Psalms 119:99): "From all my teachers I have grown wise, for Your testimonials are my meditation. ".

[Lexx1]

Like I said man if you never tried it. Then you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is fine because it means one less knucklehead and more girls for the rest of us. I know what I've done and continue to do.

Just stick to your Asian grannies in those westside AMPs. That's your expertise and what you should comment on.

Think I'll take your profile's banner message and finally add you to the ignore list.

Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.

But the logic here is the key:

A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.

The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.

[PriscillaM]

Sorry but you got this one completely wrong. I've seen you troll the original nonpro thread over the years with similar arguments. If you never tried it. Then you don't know what it's about.

A non-pro is actually the cheapest of all three. With an average amount spent anywhere between 50 to 100. The mistake some guys would make is starting to buy them gifts and doing other things. When you do that you're starting to treat them like a sugarbaby. Which they are not. I would always just provide the actual help they needed, get our fuck on and then go home. That's why I said before I don't overcomplicate things. When you work it like that. The cost will always be the lowest.

One should always speak from experience. Not from observing from the outside.

Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.

But the logic here is the key:

A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.

The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.

[Lexx1]

Non pro. A girl who charges somewhere between a pro and a sugar daddy, and does not have a web presence because she likes to use the illusion of not being a prostitute to suck more money from guys.

Sorry but you got this one completely wrong. I've seen you troll the original nonpro thread over the years with similar arguments. If you never tried it. Then you don't know what it's about.

A non-pro is actually the cheapest of all three. With an average amount spent anywhere between 50 to 100. The mistake some guys would make is starting to buy them gifts and doing other things. When you do that you're starting to treat them like a sugarbaby. Which they are not. I would always just provide the actual help they needed, get our fuck on and then go home. That's why I said before I don't overcomplicate things. When you work it like that. The cost will always be the lowest.

One should always speak from experience. Not from observing from the outside.

[Lexx1]

Oooh. I really want to find some of these but I'm a straight mayo monkey so I don't know where to look. Haha Throw a brotha a bone and DM me a location or two? They have a lineup?

It's been years since I've been to one. There's the El Clasificado thread which you should check. I used to go to a couple deep in south central but don't know if they're still there. And don't remember the streets. It helps alot if you speak Spanish because that's how most communicate when you contact them.

[PriscillaM]

Pro. A girl who charges money to do boom boom, advertises to the general public, and has some price transparency.

Sugar daddy. A girl who charges too much money to do boom boom, offers no transparency as to price to the general public, and will tell you she is exclusive to you all the while having skid marks on her sniz.

Non pro. A girl who charges somewhere between a pro and a sugar daddy, and does not have a web presence because she likes to use the illusion of not being a prostitute to suck more money from guys.

[Lexx1]

Excellent analysis and I agree, the only thing I would add is that, depending on how much you help out a non pro, it could end up costing just as much, if not more, than a full blown SW. If you start paying her cell phone bill, start buying her gift cards, vapes, giving them rides, etc (speaking from personal experience here) it can add up to more than just giving a streetwalker 80 or so for a car date. But the experience is so much better imo, and non pros never seem to want to use condoms too, unlike sws who walk around with a whole purse of them.

But yeah, if you're a hardcore monger and all you care about is getting off and then moving on, I guess a SW is better. Or at least more transparent and less time consuming.

Appreciate your input. It'd be nice for guys that like SWs if the price was still 80 for half / half. But the average nowadays is 120. Some girls ask higher than that but you always should negotiate down. Some girls want 80 or higher just for a CBJ.

A non-pro when you can get so much more for a simple 50 to 70 cellbill. It just makes sense. Yes you can spend more sometimes as well. But still even when you do it's still a better value and bang for the buck. I don't overthink things when it comes to nonpros or sugarbabies. At the end of the day it's still a girl you're paying to fuck you. Just like any other P4 P. She's not your GF. But she's giving you a full blown GFE experience in bed. And at the end when the fuck meet is done. I go back to my life and she goes back to hers. No need to overcomplicate it.