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    Quote Originally Posted by HiPickle  [View Original Post]
    At home. His children and wife were all sick with seasonal flu. They all got rid of it as normal, but it affected him more so. As I mentioned, he's an avid smoker. He said his lungs felt like they were on fire and never felt as bad before. This was at the time when word of this virus was more rempant. March 11 I believe is when he caught it or took the test, don't remember. He Went to hospital, took test, was told to take ibuprofen and go home and stay clear of everyone. He went to my elderly parents house closer to hospital just in case. Was extremely careful for 2 weeks then back home. Finally got positive test results. Still self quarantined. Feels better, but still in his system. Said he won't smoke anymore. Suppose that's a good thing. Parents are still fine. Now been near 2 weeks and they don't show any Ill effects. Of course, who wouldn't be worried. Smart practices of being clean and wiping everything down appears to have worked.

    Really, the international awareness of using common sense practices, washing hands, being aware of the germs that are out there is a positive thing. A contributing factor to slower spread of what is inevitably going to be in everyone's family eventually. As I said before, the virus won't go away just like the flu won't go away. Hopefully, it will mutate into a lesser strain or be reduced considerably from a vaccine which is already in the works. My criticism of government has always been an on going event. Everyone should question and not just follow the heard. I'm not going against the current government edict, but I'll always be critical. How easy it is for a government to take away basic rights under the guise of a pandemic. How odd that it's frowned upon or not politically correct to voice differing opinions of events. Considered stupid to question. If you like, I'll offer that the initial response being so zealous in it's form has been good. Even though it's still considered excessive. It's opening the eyes of everyone and telling them to be clean. Mayne we'll get less of other nasty ailments that are out there.

    Again, I think they should quarantine not everyone except, "The essential" but those who are most at risk. If you smoke, are sick, over 70, or have immune deficiencies. Meaning everyone is away from them and they are away from everyone. There is no essential. Only "at risk" and not at risk of death. My 2 Again.
    I certainly hope the doctors did not advise him to go stay at your elderly parents' house 'just in case' .

    That surely seems like irresponsible advice.

  2. #251
    This is going to affect a lot of people if it is confirmed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini  [View Original Post]
    The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.
    .

  3. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by HiPickle  [View Original Post]
    Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by HiPickle  [View Original Post]
    Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
    I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
    Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.

    Snowflake.
    Good thing according to you we already hit the high end of deaths from Coronavirus, we must have passed the peak already. Cancel the quarantine and we can go back to our normal lives.

  4. #249

    RE: Second Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini  [View Original Post]
    The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.
    OMG! And take a look at this!

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/sex-wo...irus-in-japan/

    Please be safe out there!

  5. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Bikini  [View Original Post]
    The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.
    I hear that the lady that just died was in really bad shape when they brought her in. The reports were that she was a "provider".

  6. #247

    Second Death

    The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.

  7. #246

    They'll have space now

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdFriday  [View Original Post]
    I want some detailed analysis of what they expect to happen if they release inmates. Sure, not all of them are going to immediately start committing crime, but if 50% of the inmates released don't even have family in the islands, they're essentially going to instantly become part of the "homeless" population. No one's going to hire them, and good luck with them trying to find a place. So, release them, then what? A person who commits crime generally does so at the expense of others. You put a criminal outside of jails where they have lodging, food, and a "community", they're going to get desperate. Even the most "harmless offender" is going to resort to petty crime to try and survive. I can see them breaking into cars just to sleep, because they won't go to a homeless shelter or sleep with other homeless people. What are they going to eat? I can see them just dine and dashing or walking out with food from a grocery store. Sure, they might not immediately do an armed home invasion and rape someone, but they sure as hell are going to commit petty crimes just to survive, and I don't blame them.

    All this talk about releasing prisoners and I haven't' see a single plan stating what these prisoners are reasonably expected to do once out.
    The plan is to release the violent criminals and murders. Then fine and jail the innocent civilians for breaking quarantine orders by the governor. That's the plan.

  8. #245

    Gov Ige

    By any chance does anyone know what happened to the Governor? Really. Where is he? He's not on the news doing his interviews. Only the mayor is doing all the talking along with the Lt. Gov. Don't you think the way this coronavirus situation is headed wouldn't he be the one to do all the talking on the news? Seems strange.

    Stay safe out there everyone.

    Aloha.

    AF.

  9. #244

    Where are the released inmates supposed to go?

    I want some detailed analysis of what they expect to happen if they release inmates. Sure, not all of them are going to immediately start committing crime, but if 50% of the inmates released don't even have family in the islands, they're essentially going to instantly become part of the "homeless" population. No one's going to hire them, and good luck with them trying to find a place. So, release them, then what? A person who commits crime generally does so at the expense of others. You put a criminal outside of jails where they have lodging, food, and a "community", they're going to get desperate. Even the most "harmless offender" is going to resort to petty crime to try and survive. I can see them breaking into cars just to sleep, because they won't go to a homeless shelter or sleep with other homeless people. What are they going to eat? I can see them just dine and dashing or walking out with food from a grocery store. Sure, they might not immediately do an armed home invasion and rape someone, but they sure as hell are going to commit petty crimes just to survive, and I don't blame them.

    All this talk about releasing prisoners and I haven't' see a single plan stating what these prisoners are reasonably expected to do once out.

  10. #243

    I did mention it

    Quote Originally Posted by FleshPrince  [View Original Post]
    I find it interesting that you remain so steadfast in your assessment that the govt response is an overreaction. I would have thought that the fact that your brother contracted the virus would have given you some pause in your criticism of the measures.

    So I'm curious- do you know how your brother contracted the virus? Do you care how it was transmitted to him? Was he following the guidelines put forward by the state and fed govts?

    The answers to those questions and others could prove helpful in guiding others' behavior and practices in their quest to remain healthy.
    At home. His children and wife were all sick with seasonal flu. They all got rid of it as normal, but it affected him more so. As I mentioned, he's an avid smoker. He said his lungs felt like they were on fire and never felt as bad before. This was at the time when word of this virus was more rempant. March 11 I believe is when he caught it or took the test, don't remember. He Went to hospital, took test, was told to take ibuprofen and go home and stay clear of everyone. He went to my elderly parents house closer to hospital just in case. Was extremely careful for 2 weeks then back home. Finally got positive test results. Still self quarantined. Feels better, but still in his system. Said he won't smoke anymore. Suppose that's a good thing. Parents are still fine. Now been near 2 weeks and they don't show any Ill effects. Of course, who wouldn't be worried. Smart practices of being clean and wiping everything down appears to have worked.

    Really, the international awareness of using common sense practices, washing hands, being aware of the germs that are out there is a positive thing. A contributing factor to slower spread of what is inevitably going to be in everyone's family eventually. As I said before, the virus won't go away just like the flu won't go away. Hopefully, it will mutate into a lesser strain or be reduced considerably from a vaccine which is already in the works. My criticism of government has always been an on going event. Everyone should question and not just follow the heard. I'm not going against the current government edict, but I'll always be critical. How easy it is for a government to take away basic rights under the guise of a pandemic. How odd that it's frowned upon or not politically correct to voice differing opinions of events. Considered stupid to question. If you like, I'll offer that the initial response being so zealous in it's form has been good. Even though it's still considered excessive. It's opening the eyes of everyone and telling them to be clean. Mayne we'll get less of other nasty ailments that are out there.

    Again, I think they should quarantine not everyone except, "The essential" but those who are most at risk. If you smoke, are sick, over 70, or have immune deficiencies. Meaning everyone is away from them and they are away from everyone. There is no essential. Only "at risk" and not at risk of death. My 2 Again.

  11. #242

    Curious

    Quote Originally Posted by HiPickle  [View Original Post]
    Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.

    Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?

    I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.
    I find it interesting that you remain so steadfast in your assessment that the govt response is an overreaction. I would have thought that the fact that your brother contracted the virus would have given you some pause in your criticism of the measures.

    So I'm curious- do you know how your brother contracted the virus? Do you care how it was transmitted to him? Was he following the guidelines put forward by the state and fed govts?

    The answers to those questions and others could prove helpful in guiding others' behavior and practices in their quest to remain healthy.

  12. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by SandBagger2  [View Original Post]
    I don't really care about what the media is saying but the fact of the matter is that COVID-19 is spreading and people are dying. If you were responsible for the health and safety of all the citizens of Hawaii, what would you do? The number of positive tests continue to increase probably because, to some degree, more people are getting tested. But that only means that people who are infected and are not maintaining an acceptable "social distance" are infecting other people. If that is you, how would you feel if people in your family, your father, mother, brother, sister, wife or kids get infected because you did not believe that you could be infected or be a carrier. The problem with COVID-19 is that you can be infected and contagious without having any symptoms. When you have symptoms and get tested, it may be too late and you have now infected other people in your inner circle. Not a good thing.

    I don't like the "stay at home" orders but I understand the need for them for the reasons stated above. But again, if you were responsible to protect everyone in the State, what would you do?
    Well I've been staying home like many others. No mongering. So no reports. Sucks huh. What else is there? Everything closed. Not a beach goer, who's out doing anything? Just the "Essential" workers are out spreading it. I'm furloughed, so that ain't me. 😷.

  13. #240

    If you were responsible for the health and safety of all people, what would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by HiPickle  [View Original Post]
    Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.

    Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?

    I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.
    I don't really care about what the media is saying but the fact of the matter is that COVID-19 is spreading and people are dying. If you were responsible for the health and safety of all the citizens of Hawaii, what would you do? The number of positive tests continue to increase probably because, to some degree, more people are getting tested. But that only means that people who are infected and are not maintaining an acceptable "social distance" are infecting other people. If that is you, how would you feel if people in your family, your father, mother, brother, sister, wife or kids get infected because you did not believe that you could be infected or be a carrier. The problem with COVID-19 is that you can be infected and contagious without having any symptoms. When you have symptoms and get tested, it may be too late and you have now infected other people in your inner circle. Not a good thing.

    I don't like the "stay at home" orders but I understand the need for them for the reasons stated above. But again, if you were responsible to protect everyone in the State, what would you do?

  14. #239

    Releasing inmates. Duh!

    No reports of anyone infected at any facilities so they want to release inmates. On the general public where they can become infected then come back into the prison system and get the prisoners infected. Duh!

    Unlike NYC where 1700 police officers are infected. They have a problem. We have 2.

    They are quarantined and isolated.

    I think our chances of beating this are better than the rest of the country because of our geographic isolation.

    If people take it seriously.

    However, there are some that treat this like it's a game. Saturday night my neighbors are outside barbequing like a normal weekend with 15 or so people drinking been and hanging out.

    Sorry. It wasn't me but someone did call because it was a social gathering. They were belligerent to the responding officers. Why?

    Don't they understand the order? Maybe not because most of them are not US citizens. Or not originally US citizens. Reminded me of the old section 8 days when used to have 2 different nationalities living in the same complex and used to have fights on payday weekend's.

    You didn't need pay per view. You had live fights right from the front porch. Back then no knives or weapons, just good old fist fights.

    Ah to be back in the 1970's and 80's.

  15. #238

    Goldilocks

    One bear over reacted and bought 5000 rolls of toilet paper.

    One bear was in denial that anything was wrong and went about life as usual.

    One bear got news from reputable sources and paid heed to science and medicine and prepared accordingly.

    I know which one of the above I am.

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