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  1. #572

    10 years and what

    Good point, bro. You know we went have 10 year recession before, and all them career politician said they going diversify economy. The only thing we have to show is more entrance fees for tourist attractions. No bold moves, in fact Abercrombie eliminated tax breaks for high tech, and solar tax credits. Not his fault, its Hawaii people who voted him then Ige in.

    No gambling, no lottery, we should have both. The NFL showed us how to have world class experience with Pro Bowl, and when they handed it over to the state, failure to execute.

    Listen to the candidates, and see who has a plan and answers. Only one does as far as I can see, and it ain't the coach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Incogfilipino  [View Original Post]
    I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.

  2. #571
    Talking about economies and the virus.

    Sweden didn't shut down and now they are seeing super high deaths rates without any economic benefit that trump keeps using as reasons to reopen early.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sea...-tale/%3famp=1

  3. #570
    Quote Originally Posted by Prudential808  [View Original Post]
    Even Thai tourism minister declared "hard but inevitable change".

    They announced for long that chose quantity than quality and has been known for cheap water sports, cheap shopping and notorious cheap sex tour, and that image pushed "vips" that can spend hefty of money away into Seychelles, Maldives and HK, Tokyo.

    In lasting pandemic, Thai must change. Quality than quantity. 50 K shopping from one middle east rich than 50 K from 500 gogo bar clients. One family at 5 stars resorts than 100 young guys at hostels.

    And Thai starts "70% discount tour course for locals". Now Thai people can enjoy cheap tour if recession did not affect them much.

    Now soon we can go to Thai, if we can pay resorts quarantine fee for minimum 14 days in phuket.

    Thai government said they must shift industry structure into more manufacture and agriculture.

    It must be hard for most of tourism countries but there is no way. Tourists will not love lands as much as locals, and not easy to track.
    I wish there was a travel bubble between us and Thailand. I do my mongering on the side there, but I typically stay for at least two weeks a year and I do so in 5 star hotels, so a 5 star hotel requirement wouldn't bother me in the least. The current plans from Thailand got scrapped though. No clue when things will actually open up there. Even flights right now are all tentative since without official statements from their government, no one knows if they will even be let in.

  4. #569

    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Incogfilipino  [View Original Post]
    I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.
    Even Thai tourism minister declared "hard but inevitable change".

    They announced for long that chose quantity than quality and has been known for cheap water sports, cheap shopping and notorious cheap sex tour, and that image pushed "vips" that can spend hefty of money away into Seychelles, Maldives and HK, Tokyo.

    In lasting pandemic, Thai must change. Quality than quantity. 50 K shopping from one middle east rich than 50 K from 500 gogo bar clients. One family at 5 stars resorts than 100 young guys at hostels.

    And Thai starts "70% discount tour course for locals". Now Thai people can enjoy cheap tour if recession did not affect them much.

    Now soon we can go to Thai, if we can pay resorts quarantine fee for minimum 14 days in phuket.

    Thai government said they must shift industry structure into more manufacture and agriculture.

    It must be hard for most of tourism countries but there is no way. Tourists will not love lands as much as locals, and not easy to track.

  5. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by Prudential808  [View Original Post]
    Hawaii seems to be the only place that does not worry about economy.

    Mainland and east Asia are now struggling with continuous new Bankrumptcy and firing. Federal aid for unemplyment benefit will end while many at home just find their position and workplace disappear forever.

    They don't have money. Vacation in Hawaii is not for job seekers or struggling middle class.

    People will not come that much.

    A lot of alternative destination in their menu. Hawaii is NOT the only option that people must come.

    In summer even local lake can easily replace tropical tour. And they are cheaper and more accessible. Time saving too. And more welcoming. No need to take 300-1,000 USD test with healthy condition. As we will go to other bars if I have to pay to be with worst hostess, they will not come here to be picked on by locals.

    As coronavirus spreading last and more and more see their friends lose job everyday, most will choose frugal and saving than vacation spree.
    I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.

  6. #567

    How much damage Covid-19 does

    Covid-19 started way back in January 2020 but maybe late 2019 and the US didn't find out till early February 2020. Trump said it was a hoax as he was dealing with impeachment proceedings.

    His mind at the time (fucked up) decided to let the virus kill others as the US should be safe and said the virus will disappear.

    It disappeared all the way to the WH. Haha.

    Now some citizens don't want to wear a mask. It's ok, don't bother them, there Superman / Wonder Woman and kryptonite will win. Try being on a ventilator than simply wearing a mask? Be safe, for others sake.

  7. #566

    Tourism reopening but don't worry

    Hawaii seems to be the only place that does not worry about economy.

    Mainland and east Asia are now struggling with continuous new Bankrumptcy and firing. Federal aid for unemplyment benefit will end while many at home just find their position and workplace disappear forever.

    They don't have money. Vacation in Hawaii is not for job seekers or struggling middle class.

    People will not come that much.

    A lot of alternative destination in their menu. Hawaii is NOT the only option that people must come.

    In summer even local lake can easily replace tropical tour. And they are cheaper and more accessible. Time saving too. And more welcoming. No need to take 300-1,000 USD test with healthy condition. As we will go to other bars if I have to pay to be with worst hostess, they will not come here to be picked on by locals.

    As coronavirus spreading last and more and more see their friends lose job everyday, most will choose frugal and saving than vacation spree.

  8. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorForLife  [View Original Post]
    http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100

    Not trying to make hysteria question, In the state back home. Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? I know we have a good contact tracing system here. But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter? Thanks in advance.
    The simplest answer is: I don't remember everywhere I went.

    Example: I went to McDonalds for lunch, then I went to Safeway and Walmart to buy groceries. I don't think I went anywhere else that week. I also ordered dinner from DoorDash a couple of times that week and didn't wear my mask everywhere prior to it being mandatory.

    See, in Japanese culture, they would divulge they went to a hostess bar purely out of consideration for other guests and employees. Out of the same consideration, they would also not name the bar, because it's not necessary. Everyone who should know will know to watch their shit, while unsavory 3rd parties won't have enough information to act. In order to prove a type of complacency, you would need to have an absolute connection equating an unwillingness to act is just as harmful as the act itself. You have to remember that a "cluster" of cases does not prove who actually transmitted it, nor does it specifically implicate anyone who has it from being a transmitter.

    I don't know Japanese law, but in American law the statement "I don't know" goes a long way. Just don't say "I don't know" if they can prove you know or should have known. This is also why it's important not to lie to your attorney and tell them everything, LOL.

    *DISCLAIMER* I'm not an attorney and nothing I say here should constitute legal advice. Consult with an attorney before making any statements.

  9. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorForLife  [View Original Post]
    http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter?
    Depends on how much they value your information and how drastic (subpoena and daily $ fine) the methods to get your cooperation; you may become complicit by being uncooperative. Depends on the situation and circumstances so ask one legal advisor.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaViper  [View Original Post]
    According to CALDWELL if this continues looks like they going shut down places again and I'm sure it's going to be bars that they will close.
    You know that already. Hope not, but you got to show the coaches you like play and not sit in the bench.

  10. #563

    Dam this Virus is spreading again

    According to CALDWELL if this continues looks like they going shut down places again and I'm sure it's going to be bars that they will close.

  11. #562

    Aerosol and coronavirus

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...irborne-spread

    Don't get freaked yet. This doesn't mean covid-19 can be spread as measles does.

    But being with others without ppe in confined indoor space can be like that. I don't think any state can afford more lockdown any more. So all it is your choice and your responsibility.

  12. #561

    Can you refuse to tell?

    http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100

    Not trying to make hysteria question, In the state back home. Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? I know we have a good contact tracing system here. But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter? Thanks in advance.

  13. #560

    More outbreak at nightlife places

    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorForLife  [View Original Post]
    I have seen my own mom hooked up tube down her throat at ICU. She was begging me to tell the doctor to have her tube removed cause she was so uncomfortable. She could not talk with the tube so she wroted. I had tear in my eyes just to see her suffering and all I could do is to relay her message to the doc. I

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    Strip clubs in wisconsin, alaska.

    Bars.

    We can't eat cake if we want to keep it.

    Choice now. If worry about getting virus, do not go to such places. And if you go, do not expect too intimate service anymore. See, don't touch. It is like new rule.

    Death rate is not that high. But once hospitalization though not ICU, bills will never be happy ending if most of americans don't have that wonderful insurance.

    Avoid.

    If you enjoy, enjoy but avoid the vulnerable ones.

    OMG. This is like new segregation era. Young and old, healthy and not healthy.

  14. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorForLife  [View Original Post]
    I have seen my own mom hooked up tube down her throat at ICU. She was begging me to tell the doctor to have her tube removed cause she was so uncomfortable. She could not talk with the tube so she wroted. I had tear in my eyes just to see her suffering and all I could do is to relay her message to the doc. I

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    Very easy solution. Advanced health directive. Do not resuscitate. Do not intubate.

  15. #558

    How much is coronavirus test?

    One girls msged me that she would cancel coming to hawaii in August owing to cost.

    She said with her insurance, not good not bad, it costs 300 USD to get test without symptom. And she thinks she will not earn more than 5 K a month if lie very low. So not coming benefit more if she consider rental here cause she does not want to sleep at AMP like before, round trip flight.

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