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  1. #4089
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyDave  [View Original Post]
    It's more often the secret UTR, is no bargain something we already know about and not even close to our regular travels.
    Oh, I'm sure you heard of most of them Dave. You've been on this board long enough LOL.

  2. #4088
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    Well, I wasn't talking about activities of a specific provider. I, probably, didn't explain myself well enough, but I was trying to say that even if a hypothetical, high-quality "UTR" provider with loyal, returning clientele takes it to extremes, fu-king non-stop without days off, she will max up somewhere around 75 guys. It's a specific, finite number. At this point, she may be not willing to take new clients anymore. I meant to agree with what you guys wrote previously. I realize that depending on specific circumstances they may max up at a much lower volume.
    Yes, I understand what you're saying but in my experience UTRs usually are low volume. That's one of the reasons they go UTR.

    There was 20 yo UTR Chinese student 3-4 years ago that I only saw once and we hit it off very well. She was just a year or two from the mainland but great English, camera friendly, an average looking face but great body and awesome hard Ds. A few of you may even recognize who I'm talking about. Then however I didn't see her for a while, although once I set up with her again but had to cancel on the day of but she knew there was that possibility. Then I went to Africa for 4 months from where I didn't keep in touch with any of the ladies that I see here but one.

    Well, that Chinese girl's goal right from the start was to get a few regulars to complement her other part-time job and stop there. When I finally decided to see her again she was no longer responding to my texts. I tried to check in with her several times since but to no avail. About 2-3 weeks ago I called her number from my other phone and guess what, she picked up. She sounded a bit spooked but polite. She said she was still in Boston area but was no longer 'working'. Between you and I, I doubt it. I think she just chose 4-10 guys that she sees on regular basis and closed the door.

    There were couple of more since that more or less fit that criteria too. I know they still see their few regulars but no longer see any new guys. Them and I just either had falling out beforehand for one reason or the other or just never ended up seeing each other because they didn't fit into my strict "no DFK, no see" policy. One was a very stupid situation that I'm still unhappy about. There was a gorgeous Brazilian blonde whom I struck great relationship with but<ellipsis >. A piece of advice, be careful with trying to help them out with something. It may turn on you. She still sees few guys as far as I know but even them rarely and takes no new blood, period.

    There are exceptions of course but one of the main reasons behind them being UTR is a volume control. I think 80% of the UTRs would probably be low volume and more intimacy (and consistency, and less drama) with few regulars that they see.

  3. #4087
    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.
    It's more often the secret UTR, is no bargain something we already know about and not even close to our regular travels.

  4. #4086
    Quote Originally Posted by Nrlmus  [View Original Post]
    No. Never heard of anything like that going on. Most of those girls see 1-2 guys every week, 10 more (at most!) every other week, and maybe 20 more on the monthly basis. Never more than 5-6 per day from what I understand. I knew some who never allowed more than one hour appointments, mostly because they don't want anyone to get any ideas that it's more than work. That doesn't mean that they'd kick you out the minute your time is up though. Far from it. Sometimes they may end spending an extra hour with you just for the heck of it if they feel comfortable enough with you. They definitely quickly weed out wham-bam-thank-you-mam type of hobbyists out of their rotation and settle on those that for one reason or another they also find interesting. Not surprisingly they also usually charge less than what you commonly find on eros or SA. One regular that sees a UTR twice / month for $150 is worth to her more both financially and purely on the human level, than somebody who sees a traveling provider for $400 when she finally hits town again.

    I also heard some of them say that money is not worth the aggravation that you get with the expectations and attitudes that you get from those who pay more. I remember how myself and couple of other hobbyists tried to convince one of such ladies that with her looks, attitude, sex skills, and education level she could (and should) charge more and even explained to her how she could go about doing that. Well, guess what? All of us got a push back from her on that as far as I know.

    It's definitely was much more open here when the crowd that preferred TER stayed with TER, and we had only had our own USASG crowd here. The difference in attitude and approach between the two is like night and day. That's why you have many USASG old timers being much more careful here now than ever before. IMHO.
    Well, I wasn't talking about activities of a specific provider. I, probably, didn't explain myself well enough, but I was trying to say that even if a hypothetical, high-quality "UTR" provider with loyal, returning clientele takes it to extremes, fu-king non-stop without days off, she will max up somewhere around 75 guys. It's a specific, finite number. At this point, she may be not willing to take new clients anymore. I meant to agree with what you guys wrote previously. I realize that depending on specific circumstances they may max up at a much lower volume.

  5. #4085
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    Actually, you guys might be right. Assuming that a regular taker sees her 2 times a month for a 2-hour-long session (we are not talking about 30 min hohos here), 5 guys a day would, probably, be a maximum number she can do. Then, simple calculations show that she will only need 150 guys for the whole monthly rotation. In reality it could be less if she doesn't work every day.
    No. Never heard of anything like that going on. Most of those girls see 1-2 guys every week, 10 more (at most!) every other week, and maybe 20 more on the monthly basis. Never more than 5-6 per day from what I understand. I knew some who never allowed more than one hour appointments, mostly because they don't want anyone to get any ideas that it's more than work. That doesn't mean that they'd kick you out the minute your time is up though. Far from it. Sometimes they may end spending an extra hour with you just for the heck of it if they feel comfortable enough with you. They definitely quickly weed out wham-bam-thank-you-mam type of hobbyists out of their rotation and settle on those that for one reason or another they also find interesting. Not surprisingly they also usually charge less than what you commonly find on eros or SA. One regular that sees a UTR twice / month for $150 is worth to her more both financially and purely on the human level, than somebody who sees a traveling provider for $400 when she finally hits town again.

    I also heard some of them say that money is not worth the aggravation that you get with the expectations and attitudes that you get from those who pay more. I remember how myself and couple of other hobbyists tried to convince one of such ladies that with her looks, attitude, sex skills, and education level she could (and should) charge more and even explained to her how she could go about doing that. Well, guess what? All of us got a push back from her on that as far as I know.

    It's definitely was much more open here when the crowd that preferred TER stayed with TER, and we had only had our own USASG crowd here. The difference in attitude and approach between the two is like night and day. That's why you have many USASG old timers being much more careful here now than ever before. IMHO.

  6. #4084
    Quote Originally Posted by Talisker1370  [View Original Post]
    You sound salty.
    Actually, you guys might be right. Assuming that a regular taker sees her 2 times a month for a 2-hour-long session (we are not talking about 30 min hohos here), 5 guys a day would, probably, be a maximum number she can do. Then, simple calculations show that she will only need 75 guys for the whole monthly rotation. In reality it could be less if she doesn't work every day.

  7. #4083
    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.
    You sound salty.

  8. #4082
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.
    Maybe because they don't want to see 50 guys. They want to supplement their income by establishing 5-10 regulars but no more. Or maybe they work limited times. There are many that come to Boston from out of town for one or two days per week, or even per month and either find themselves being booked to the max, or maybe during those two days they just want to limit themselves to no more than 3-4 guys per day.

    If they got looks and their customer service is significantly better than average you can be sure they'd quickly stop advertising and go UTR. Many of them also prefer to strike "working relationships" with few guys rather than keep spreading it for those who are not into repeats, or return once in a blue moon to "grace" them with their presence.

    There are much more of these types out there than I even can begin to contemplate LOL The trick is in how to get in with them while they're still building up their clientele to their limits.

  9. #4081
    Quote Originally Posted by Talisker1370  [View Original Post]
    Well, duh. I would think that they would have other guys, they just don't new ones.
    It really doesn't make any sense, what you say. Why wouldn't they take new guys? It's business for them and as businesswomen they are trying to maximize profit. I hope you are not one of those guys who believes this "only you" BS.

  10. #4080
    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.
    Well, duh. I would think that they would have other guys, they just don't new ones.

  11. #4079
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheezeFist  [View Original Post]
    It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.
    Maybe. But for whatever reason they can't be shared. Either they asked their 100 other guys not to give out their contact info to anybody anymore, or somebody shared something with you under condition that you'd never share it with anybody else. Break it once and you'd be surprised how quickly the word gets around here. Many old-timers won't share anything with you anymore and off to eros or SA you go to pay a fortune for something that you can be sure that at least 20 other guys are fu-king for the half-price you're paying.

    I know a hobbyist who's currently going through this hobby "side affect". You know he'd never make that mistake again, that's for sure.

  12. #4078
    Quote Originally Posted by Talisker1370  [View Original Post]
    UTRs were not considered, I have a couple as well. Those types of leads are never considered or brought in to the discussion. Like you, the ones I stick to are unshareable as well.
    It's pretty much guaranteed that your unsharable UTRs are fu-king 50 other guys. There is no the other way around.

  13. #4077
    Quote Originally Posted by Nrlmus  [View Original Post]
    Paul, I appreciate what Talisker's done and I can see that there are plenty of people that agree with it and that's fine. But I think that such posts serve to drive prices up unnecessarily while providing no portent information. Talisker1370 is a great contributor to this board and as you noticed my post was respectful. I had some great interaction with him in the past, and I hope to be able to continue to do that from time to time.

    I just wanted to make a point that I made in regards to that particular post and I made it. In my experience I also don't understand how you can pay over $200 for 1/2 hour and continuously not get GFE in the process. Once in a while? Sure. But continuously? Not my experience. $150 could get you an hh or an hour and with an ok girl too. Definitely GFE! If she doesn't kiss I don't care if she's a freaking $20 year old Melania Trump look-a-like. For me it's an automatic no go. No kiss, usually means no to some other staff too. That's why I had hard time lately finding myself a Brazilian. 5-7 years ago they just stopped GFEing, like almost all of those that come to the states. Weird, because that's not the case in Brazil itself.

    Also, I usually stick to three-four regulars, mostly UTRs, some of whom are unsharable. Those that I can share I usually post about here. All under $200, all GFEs, BBBJ, what have you. Some are more sultry types, others more wholesome. Some I liked some I didn't. I only remember one in last 6 months that wasn't GFE but it was my fault since I was warned that it was possible.

    As for BTT (the only time I ever paid over $200 per session), as I said this was the first and only time that I went through verification process and I don't intend, nor do I see the need to do so again. So no KGFB for me. As for BTT I just saw two of their Boston-based types: Shu and Tomi, the later no longer works. It's highly unlikely that I will see anyone else at BTT unless I get a feel that not only would I have a good time with her but she's also going to stick around here for a while. Cold fish experience is not my cup of tea. I also never come to an appointment empty-handed. Most of the time it work wonders on their attitude. In those few cases when it doesn't I never see them again.
    This is a first, called out on the masshole board without being called an asshole.

    First off to Nrlmus, no offense taken. I understand where you are coming from. For the record, I consider you a great contributor to the board. There are way too many lurkers and leeches these days.

    I should have put additional context that this was for touring girls that advertise heavily in the usual sites. These are the providers that you call that day or the day before.

    UTRs were not considered, I have a couple as well. Those types of leads are never considered or brought in to the discussion. Like you, the ones I stick to are unshareable as well.

    My intent was not to drive up prices in any way, just to illustrate what the average experience is going to be with the providers I mentioned above. I branched off my normal path for a bit and wanted to see what the quality would be if impacted by quantity. Those were my findings.

    Again, no offense taken from anyone.

  14. #4076
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRew  [View Original Post]
    Guy takes the time to complete a thoughtful and informative post and you tell him his approach is all wrong? Seems from the board response guys appreciated the post. And while Shu is pretty awesome saying she is "second to none" is erroneous at best. It just makes clear that you have very limited experience with top level Asian talent. I am curious, who else you have seen from BTT or KGFB?
    Paul, I appreciate what Talisker's done and I can see that there are plenty of people that agree with it and that's fine. But I think that such posts serve to drive prices up unnecessarily while providing no portent information. Talisker1370 is a great contributor to this board and as you noticed my post was respectful. I had some great interaction with him in the past, and I hope to be able to continue to do that from time to time.

    I just wanted to make a point that I made in regards to that particular post and I made it. In my experience I also don't understand how you can pay over $200 for 1/2 hour and continuously not get GFE in the process. Once in a while? Sure. But continuously? Not my experience. $150 could get you an hh or an hour and with an ok girl too. Definitely GFE! If she doesn't kiss I don't care if she's a freaking $20 year old Melania Trump look-a-like. For me it's an automatic no go. No kiss, usually means no to some other staff too. That's why I had hard time lately finding myself a Brazilian. 5-7 years ago they just stopped GFEing, like almost all of those that come to the states. Weird, because that's not the case in Brazil itself.

    Also, I usually stick to three-four regulars, mostly UTRs, some of whom are unsharable. Those that I can share I usually post about here. All under $200, all GFEs, BBBJ, what have you. Some are more sultry types, others more wholesome. Some I liked some I didn't. I only remember one in last 6 months that wasn't GFE but it was my fault since I was warned that it was possible.

    As for BTT (the only time I ever paid over $200 per session), as I said this was the first and only time that I went through verification process and I don't intend, nor do I see the need to do so again. So no KGFB for me. As for BTT I just saw two of their Boston-based types: Shu and Tomi, the later no longer works. It's highly unlikely that I will see anyone else at BTT unless I get a feel that not only would I have a good time with her but she's also going to stick around here for a while. Cold fish experience is not my cup of tea. I also never come to an appointment empty-handed. Most of the time it work wonders on their attitude. In those few cases when it doesn't I never see them again.

  15. #4075

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nrlmus  [View Original Post]
    Dude, I'd think your post was written by someone who is trying to promote "his" ladies into the higher bracket if I didn't know you well enough by now to know that nothing could be farther from the truth.

    Still, you're either looking at the wrong places or you're trading with wrong people, or you're not putting enough time into finding right girls, or you just purely SOL.

    Granted I don't have many women in my rotation but it's not because nobody shares with me. You can get a reasonably well behaved GFE for $80 (or sometimes even less) with "what's your fancy" attitude too. Put another $100 into the hotel and you got yourself a good time for $180, often, if you hit it off with them, with not much of the time limit.

    I spent $220 for a wonderful Shu at BTT10 and that's by far the greatest amount of money I ever spent in this hobby. If you like Asians Shu is second to none but the only reason I even ended up doing this in the first place was because it happened during those two-three months worth of dark days when SESTA / FOSTA just passed and TER folded and USASG went down for a bit and we found ourselves somewhat blind. I'm sure you remember. Desperate times called for desperate measures so I allowed myself to go through their screening process (the first and only time in my life I did that) and paid the BTT's doe to see Shu. Never regretted doing it but still.
    Guy takes the time to complete a thoughtful and informative post and you tell him his approach is all wrong? Seems from the board response guys appreciated the post. And while Shu is pretty awesome saying she is "second to none" is erroneous at best. It just makes clear that you have very limited experience with top level Asian talent. I am curious, who else you have seen from BTT or KGFB?

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