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  1. #1918
    I have to say that since I changed my SA profile, in which I made my intentions very very direct, I have been getting some great replies. And from some really nice looking young ladies. Their profiles are ones I may have passed up before. About half are the ones I expect. But the other half are from really sweet looking, young and curious girls I may have just ignored before. Many with the higher expectation amounts that many times turn me off to even messaging them.

  2. #1917
    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy  [View Original Post]
    This is definitely a plan for success. And certain things are always going to work. But the first thing to always remember is that most guys are assholes. And if you're an asshole (and like being an asshole) you can still sugar, you are just going to have to pay a lot more to do it.

    But humor, genuine respect, humilty, matter of factness (if that's a word) and offering whatever level of gerorosity you can honestly afford will always serve you well.
    Agree Wholeheartedly!

  3. #1916
    Quote Originally Posted by BigTigger  [View Original Post]
    I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here.
    BigTigg.
    This is definitely a plan for success. And certain things are always going to work. But the first thing to always remember is that most guys are assholes. And if you're an asshole (and like being an asshole) you can still sugar, you are just going to have to pay a lot more to do it.

    But humor, genuine respect, humilty, matter of factness (if that's a word) and offering whatever level of gerorosity you can honestly afford will always serve you well.

  4. #1915
    Quote Originally Posted by Fendter  [View Original Post]
    So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.

    So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.

    Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?

    On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.
    You also have to remember that the rates vary by race. It's sad and probably a little racist, but it's true. Asian-American and white girls are generally more desirable by guys on average and thus get a higher rate. Black girls probably get the lowest rate. If you read all the stories here, you can start to see this pattern very clearly.

  5. #1914

    Creating your profile. I was asked for help and decided to post.

    I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here. I've had two main profiles over the years and there were a few constant themes that women have complimented me on with examples.

    In your profile, make sure it hits the following areas:

    1. Be engaging and funny-- "Not only can I keep a secret, tie my shoes and chew gum at the same, eat with all of my (god-given) brushed teeth, entice you with my smile and faint scent of cologne. ".

    2. Be specific with what you are looking for from her and what you bring to the table without using numerical expressions-- (meet twice a week, travel every now and then. Someone who's fun to be around, no drama with passion and has a little 007 street smarts, I cover all expenses and you will be taken care of in and outside of the bedroom).

    3. Appeal to their mind and frustrations -- "It's time out for one-sided relationships and imbalanced expectations. It's time that you spent your time with someone who appreciates you, your faults, your strengths, your insecurities and your loyalty. ".

    4. Downplay when appropriate / show humility but confidence -- "Ok, I'm not 6'2, but I have a big. Personality and I suck in my stomach really well".

    5. Show you are not desperate, have some guile with guidelines - "I have no problem waiting for the right one and skipping those who can't even get gas to meet me at the date or have immediate eviction needs".

    6. Encourage them to take initiative with some homework -So hit me up if I've piqued your interest and give me at least two reasons why you think we'll be a great fit".

    Then.

    Actively search and seek out POTS.

    Be flirtatious without being crude and dirty old man "wow your pictures had a few thoughts run through my mind, but the relationship is too new to share those thoughts just yet, LOL".

    Be engaging via email and move to texting as soon as possible.

    Have pics to share. Via text only. Limit it to 3 and remind them that you are married (if appropriate) so you just use that to make sure everyone is happy with what they see.

    Do not send dic pics! Don't ask for pics after the first 3 or 4 (until after you have met), make sure to get a full body pic.

    *Super Important*.

    Bring small gifts in a gift bag to the first date. Get your pattern down for what's in the bag, but include a Thank You card with about $40-$50 visa gift card inside. You can say it's for gas, etc. Remember they are looking for someone financially healthy, so dropping $50 for a M&G goes a long way. Especially since there are not any sexual expectations. Spending a little upfront will get you way more down the road.

    Compliment in as many ways as possible the entire relationship. Even slide them in during conversation "Well, maybe we are getting such good service because they see how pretty you are and think you are famous or something (don't forget to laugh)".

    This has worked wonders for me, "I've been told over and over, you make me feel so beautiful and special". That is always a sign that I've been successful.

    BigTigg.

  6. #1913
    Quote Originally Posted by Fendter  [View Original Post]
    You are absolutely right. Everyone situation is different. I'm married with daytime / weekday freedom only. I don't have the time or need for overnight stays or candlelight dinners. I have a thing for Asian flavored girls so my focus really revolves around them. I currently have a good setup with one of the CeeVee girls that I see 1-2/ per week. She texts me all the time asking for advice on personal matters and it is turning somewhat into a SD / SB relationship but I know that she sees a lot of guys to pay for a expensive lifestyle. I pay her for 30 min, but usually stay for 2 hrs.

    I'm actually a good looking guy with an outgoing personality who could get civilian dates with attractive girls, but being married won't allow for that. I learned my lesson by letting an Asian coworker get too close to me. After a nice BBBJCIM during lunch break she wouldn't leave me alone and insisted on going out on long dates and spending extensive time with her. I obviously could do that due to my wife asking questions. Luckily she got fired 4 weeks later, but a big lesson learned.

    I've been mongering in the US, Germany and China for the past 25 years, but venturing into the SD / SB world is still new to me.
    I rarely partake in traditional mongering (except for the SA UTR's), but my understanding is that you are paying them to be on a strict schedule and to leave at a specific time.

    The problem (if we can call it that) is that the lines between sugaring and civi dating can get blurred. I won't and don't civi date for the very reason that I want the control and I want them to leave (when I want them to leave). So my advice to me is to never civi date, never let an SB think she is irreplaceable, and know that all good things come to end. Am I open to a semi-traditional GF? I am, but I am far too needy for any girl and my expectations would be totally unrealistic, so I don't get my hopes up or my dreams shattered. And I think there are a lot of guys like me. They have different girls for different needs. If they could combine 5 or 6 of them into one perfect girl then everything would be fine. But thats not likely to happen in this universe.

    And a guys looks do have an impact on their sugaring success (as well as personality and good manners), but there is always a path to get your individual needs met one way or another. But to ever think of mongering or sugaring as somehow a defect of character when juxtaposed to being able to score in the civi market, I just LMFAO.

  7. #1912
    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy  [View Original Post]
    There are always guys that way over pay. But many of those times they are experiencing GFE in and out of the bedroom, overnite visits, travel and just a general feeling of not being in a transaction relationship (which of course is BS). My very average looking new pinay friend was getting 5 bills a date and she is now up to a G a date. That requires about 2 days out of her months it requires travel and an overnite. But never worry about what other people do or don't do. Stay the course and you will find your groove. Kinda what BT said.
    You are absolutely right. Everyone situation is different. I'm married with daytime / weekday freedom only. I don't have the time or need for overnight stays or candlelight dinners. I have a thing for Asian flavored girls so my focus really revolves around them. I currently have a good setup with one of the CeeVee girls that I see 1-2/ per week. She texts me all the time asking for advice on personal matters and it is turning somewhat into a SD / SB relationship but I know that she sees a lot of guys to pay for a expensive lifestyle. I pay her for 30 min, but usually stay for 2 hrs.

    I'm actually a good looking guy with an outgoing personality who could get civilian dates with attractive girls, but being married won't allow for that. I learned my lesson by letting an Asian coworker get too close to me. After a nice BBBJCIM during lunch break she wouldn't leave me alone and insisted on going out on long dates and spending extensive time with her. I obviously could do that due to my wife asking questions. Luckily she got fired 4 weeks later, but a big lesson learned.

    I've been mongering in the US, Germany and China for the past 25 years, but venturing into the SD / SB world is still new to me.

  8. #1911
    Quote Originally Posted by Fendter  [View Original Post]
    So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.

    So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.

    Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?

    On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.
    There are always guys that way over pay. But many of those times they are experiencing GFE in and out of the bedroom, overnite visits, travel and just a general feeling of not being in a transaction relationship (which of course is BS). My very average looking new pinay friend was getting 5 bills a date and she is now up to a G a date. That requires about 2 days out of her months it requires travel and an overnite. But never worry about what other people do or don't do. Stay the course and you will find your groove. Kinda what BT said.

  9. #1910
    It depends on what you bring to the table in the looks, body and personality department. I always find it's best to be in your budget range and just let the rest go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fendter  [View Original Post]
    So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.

    So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.

    Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?

    On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.

  10. #1909
    Quote Originally Posted by Fendter  [View Original Post]
    So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.

    So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.

    Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?

    On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.
    Just keep at it. At $$ or even $.5 you will get what you are looking for. A hot girl with low mileage.

  11. #1908

    Another M&G.

    So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.

    So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.

    Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?

    On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.

  12. #1907
    Quote Originally Posted by BigTigger  [View Original Post]
    Hollywood, I cannot compete with your historical high levels of success! But I try to do my part to keep the hobby relevant! LOL.
    I did just have a 3 day run... First time in a long time.

  13. #1906
    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy  [View Original Post]
    I almost got tired just reading this, much less doing it.
    Hollywood, I cannot compete with your historical high levels of success! But I try to do my part to keep the hobby relevant! LOL.

  14. #1905
    Quote Originally Posted by BigTigger  [View Original Post]
    It's been a while since I posted, but I'm going to try and jump back in and participate. I'll start with the current stable.

    TheSinger (CL) - Just turned 30, beautiful, smoking body, 2 kids, no allowance as we are in bf / gf status. It's non-exclusive for me. 5'7, 130 lbs, D-Cups. Real amateur singer, I even bought her songs on Amazon to be supportive.

    IndianPrincess (SA) - Stunning 21 year old East Indian. No set allowance. She just wants good conversation and a good screwing. We meet once a week. She has been happy with whatever I gave. $50-$150, she has never complained. 5'2, with butt and Double Ds. Amazing mic skills and great sounds.

    AirlineStewardess (SA) - Gorgeous 24 year old. Pretty smile, A cups, bubble butt, petite. We have done some making out, but not done the deed. She has her own place, no kids. Did not want to agree to an amount, wanted bf with someone who's not 100% available and can help out every and then. So far so good. The cash outlay has been minimum. Schedules are crazy now as I'm traveling and she travels every day during the week for work.

    Co-EdHottie (SA) - 19, Petite with C-Cups and cute butt. Pretty, but could use some dental help, I'm going to work on that. We did the TiggaBounce first meeting. She got a $50 retail gift card and was happy as she likes online shopping. We'll only meet once or twice a month. She's in college to become a doctor. So she'll be in college for a while. Lives in dorms, so I have to always get a room. So meeting her will be limited. The sex was great, we spent over 4 hours together the first meeting.

    CuteNLonely (SA) - 34 year old, Cute but not stuning, probably a 7 in looks, 7 in body, 10 in personality, own place, own car. 5'9, Triple D's. $500 per month, meeting as often as I can handle it. Even gave me a key within the first 2 weeks. (For the record, I have keys from 3 different women, but I rarely ever use them.).

    All others are secondary and backup, but for the record.

    MsMature (AFF) - 41 year old, single, never been married, no kids, has her own place. I've known her for years. No funds, she just loves the company. 5'11, Triple D's, medium to large build, very little fat.

    4'9, big butt African (SA).

    5'1 big boob petite African (SA).

    BigTigg.
    I almost got tired just reading this, much less doing it.

  15. #1904

    Update

    It's been a while since I posted, but I'm going to try and jump back in and participate. I'll start with the current stable.

    TheSinger (CL) - Just turned 30, beautiful, smoking body, 2 kids, no allowance as we are in bf / gf status. It's non-exclusive for me. 5'7, 130 lbs, D-Cups. Real amateur singer, I even bought her songs on Amazon to be supportive.

    IndianPrincess (SA) - Stunning 21 year old East Indian. No set allowance. She just wants good conversation and a good screwing. We meet once a week. She has been happy with whatever I gave. $50-$150, she has never complained. 5'2, with butt and Double Ds. Amazing mic skills and great sounds.

    AirlineStewardess (SA) - Gorgeous 24 year old. Pretty smile, A cups, bubble butt, petite. We have done some making out, but not done the deed. She has her own place, no kids. Did not want to agree to an amount, wanted bf with someone who's not 100% available and can help out every and then. So far so good. The cash outlay has been minimum. Schedules are crazy now as I'm traveling and she travels every day during the week for work.

    Co-EdHottie (SA) - 19, Petite with C-Cups and cute butt. Pretty, but could use some dental help, I'm going to work on that. We did the TiggaBounce first meeting. She got a $50 retail gift card and was happy as she likes online shopping. We'll only meet once or twice a month. She's in college to become a doctor. So she'll be in college for a while. Lives in dorms, so I have to always get a room. So meeting her will be limited. The sex was great, we spent over 4 hours together the first meeting.

    CuteNLonely (SA) - 34 year old, Cute but not stuning, probably a 7 in looks, 7 in body, 10 in personality, own place, own car. 5'9, Triple D's. $500 per month, meeting as often as I can handle it. Even gave me a key within the first 2 weeks. (For the record, I have keys from 3 different women, but I rarely ever use them.).

    All others are secondary and backup, but for the record.

    MsMature (AFF) - 41 year old, single, never been married, no kids, has her own place. I've known her for years. No funds, she just loves the company. 5'11, Triple D's, medium to large build, very little fat.

    4'9, big butt African (SA).

    5'1 big boob petite African (SA).

    BigTigg.

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