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  1. #26

    Spammer on the site

    Be careful. Post big red letters, Senior Members Only. Just my speculation.

  2. #25

    Opsec

    'When you think of Pit Bull you think big trucks. Big rims, but oh not me I stay low key. Cause if they can't spot me. Then they can't watch me. And if they can't watch me then they sure as hell can't stop me. ' Pit Bull.

    Kicking a little street knowledge for ya. My occupational endeavors have always involved a great deal of secrecy and security. I was taught at an early age to have a separate account known only to you. Offshore if possible. Keep the amounts below certain limits and you have no (tax) reporting issues. I established the account before marriage so it is not marital property laws even after tying the knot. My play money came out of my paycheck before it hit the joint account. My excuse if needed was that I was required to have expense money available for last minute assignments at all times and that for security purposes it should not lead back to my family.

    You are conducting a covert operation. Practice operational security (OPSEC). If the warden breaches security she should only be able to determine that something is going on. She should not be able to figure out who, what why, when, where, and how much. Make like you are a Mission Impossible team member and make sure your communications self-destruct in five seconds. If you are holding onto contraband (emails, texts and photos) and the warden tosses your cell you are fucked. At best you are going to be thrown into solitary confinement and at worst you she is going to bend you over while reaching for the broom handle.

    Yes, I've been through a divorce. It had nothing to do with infidelity and everything to do with incompatibility. But that does not change anything. Divorce is a rule of law. A simple division of property. It is only the white hot emotions that surround the event that make it difficult. Do not be afraid of the lawyer for the opposition. You can always get one for yourself. Be proactive, now. If you have a risk of divorce for ANY reason do your research now. Learn how it works. Know in advance who your advocate will be. Develop your intelligence on the opposition. Develop a plan to protect your assets. Practice safe sex gentlemen and that means more than just slapping on a condom.

    SubCmdr

  3. #24

    I'm able to explain the phone if needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zman429  [View Original Post]
    Definitely pros and cons to each scenario, a burner phone can be found, it can ring by accident etc. Google voice can be left logged into etc and traced, but not sure LE would go to far unless they suspect you of something more.
    So the presence of the burner wouldn't cause problems. The extra $350 / year is a bit of a pinch, but I value the lack of connection to my personal number.

    I know I'll never have to explain why a number tied to certain activities was forwarded to my personal phone. The day my burner goes into 4 trash cans in pieces, all connection to me is severed.

  4. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Buster  [View Original Post]
    I think I may have left my email open, and she was using a different browser window. That was probably within a month or so of getting online at home, and I was a little clueless on admin issues. I got up to speed pretty quickly.

    When you use Google Voice, Google has a record of all calls and texts, and a record of your personal phone number, where the calls were forwarded. This info is easily obtained by subpoena. With a burner phone, there's nothing connecting the phone and usage to the user, short of reviewing store security tapes to identify the purchaser paying cash for a refill card. No agency or force is going to take this manpower-intensive step outside of a major investigation. A subpoena takes 5 minutes to prepare, and the telecom company does all the legwork.

    Am I missing something?
    Definitely pros and cons to each scenario, a burner phone can be found, it can ring by accident etc. Google voice can be left logged into etc and traced, but not sure LE would go to far unless they suspect you of something more.

  5. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog  [View Original Post]
    50 Sites Like Pipl.

    http://www.similarsitesearch.com/alt...es-to/pipl.com

    There's actually quite a few of the premium record sites not listed there.

    How to remove public records from the Internet.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4947199_remo...-internet.html
    Very useful. Thank you.

  6. #21

    Never gave her the password

    Quote Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog  [View Original Post]
    Was the first "privacy firewall" you built NOT giving your password to a significant other? I assume she didn't hack your email your email account. If anyone hasn't learned the value of using log-in passwords and setting up user accounts In Windows, well, you're just lazy.

    In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.
    I think I may have left my email open, and she was using a different browser window. That was probably within a month or so of getting online at home, and I was a little clueless on admin issues. I got up to speed pretty quickly.

    When you use Google Voice, Google has a record of all calls and texts, and a record of your personal phone number, where the calls were forwarded. This info is easily obtained by subpoena. With a burner phone, there's nothing connecting the phone and usage to the user, short of reviewing store security tapes to identify the purchaser paying cash for a refill card. No agency or force is going to take this manpower-intensive step outside of a major investigation. A subpoena takes 5 minutes to prepare, and the telecom company does all the legwork.

    Am I missing something?

  7. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog  [View Original Post]
    In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.
    Richmond;

    I totally agree with you about Google Voice. I consider it a life saver. It lets my SBs text me to their hearts content and I never have to worry about the Warden picking up my phone. It's so much easier to sit at my computer and answer a text then walking around the house with my phone in my hand. The problem with a burner for me is where do I hid it where it's safe from discovery. Google Voice gives you privacy and control. Just what a Monger needs. Every Monger with a SO owes it to himself to check out Google Voice.

    Coolhand

  8. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog  [View Original Post]
    Where were you last week during the orchestrated blackout to boycott SOPA and PIPA? They were House and Senate bills tgat dealt with privacy, intellectual property and piracy.

    Sites like Pipl, Spokeo, Intellius, etc use web crawlers and search engines to aggregate data and gives you the link to the information. What information you post on a social network site or even a site like this shouldn't be aggregated by companies like Intellius, Spokeo etc for profit. I can support the "Free Internet," but not when it comes to snooping around to sell personal information. The First Amendment is often abused to protect companies like these.
    You're really addressing two different issues here.

    I'm not going to waste time discussing SOPA and PIPA, for the time being they are dead issues, they will resurface in new and different forms in perpetuity. This is going to be the fight that lasts as long as there is an internet. So vote for the people who are less likely to support it, and hope that the lobbying power of the Hollywood Studios and the RIAA gets diluted in time. Other than that, boy wasn't it a prescient moment when V. P. Cheney told Patrick Leahy to go fuck himself. It's almost like he knew that Leahy would write a bill like this. So vote, or pray. Moving on.

    Intellius etc. Don't aggregate private data, they can't. And if they could, a "background check" would be a whole hell of a lot more expensive than $49. 00.

    The surprise here might be exactly how much information is actually public. That being said, there are services out there that can pull more esoteric data about an individual, and if you're getting a divorce, you're already paying for the P. I. To be hunting it all down for your soon to be ex wife anyhow. I support a corporation's ability to get paid for providing the same information that is available with the most basic research skills in a courthouse records dept. And google, but don't think that Intellius is selling "personal"information that isn't already out there, they're not. DNB is a good resource, but mostly for corporate research. Most of that is public too, but if someone is trying to find out about who you are, there will always be a low paid secretary at a doctor's office or at the MVA who is willing to bend the privacy rules for some extra money. And that will never stop, for the same reason that this hobby will never stop.

    The bottom line is that if "they" are trying to get you,"they" will. It's a long told standard in the corporate world, If you don't want to see it on the front page of the WSJ, don't write in in an email and click the send button.

    Privacy today means owning your own domain and better controlling access to your email. Not having a social networking identity at all. And none of that would matter, because you still drive a car and go to the doctor and you have a job and a bank account too. So for the time being, consider this silver lining. Isn't it an amazing thing that Jackson moved the server out of the US and beyond the reach of the DoJ?

  9. #18
    Was the first "privacy firewall" you built NOT giving your password to a significant other? I assume she didn't hack your email your email account. If anyone hasn't learned the value of using log-in passwords and setting up user accounts In Windows, well, you're just lazy.

    In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Buster  [View Original Post]
    My GF logged onto my email account and saw it, and asked me what it was.

    I learned a hard lesson after that lucky break, and have put a lot of time into developing privacy firewalls for hobbying. For those on the fence about getting a burner, if you ignore the advice in this forum, you deserve the hot water you end up in.

  10. #17

    Learning from a lucky break

    Way back in the early days of the information age (15 years ago) , I sent an email to an escort, and she replied that she'd be in my town soon if I wanted to meet up. My GF logged onto my email account and saw it, and asked me what it was. I looked at it, denied all knowledge, and sent an indignant reply asking that my email be deleted from her mailing list. Fortunately, one of my friends volunteered over dinner later that week that he gets porn, dating and pay-for-play spam all the time, and she bought his explanation. This was before spam filters, when CompuServe, Yahoo, AOL, and Erols were spammers' playgrounds. Sadly, I never got to meet the babe I'd emailed.

    I learned a hard lesson after that lucky break, and have put a lot of time into developing privacy firewalls for hobbying. For those on the fence about getting a burner, if you ignore the advice in this forum, you deserve the hot water you end up in.

  11. #16

    Your middle observation is the key one

    Quote Originally Posted by Guywoodson  [View Original Post]
    VERY good point. I had not thought of that at all.

    However, a gift card does not require a signature at time of use, and you could easily have lost it and it was being used by somebody else. I agree that once questions are asked, you have problems, but from a legal standpoint, unless they have an in-store video of you using the gift card, then they cannot tie you to the purchase?

    As far as in-store cards. I NEVER use then EVER, if they will not swipe one for me, I make them give me one every time which I leave on the counter afterwards. After a while they stop trying to force a card on me.
    "Once questions are asked, you have problems." Two scenarios to consider:

    1. SB gets pregnant and wants to connect SD's gift card to his real name to raid the bank account for 18 years.

    2. The SB / escort you gave it to falls victim to a violent crime. If it's a homicide, the investigators find the gift card in her purse, and speculate it may have been given by a jealous boyfriend customer (a reasonable assumption) , who they'd like to talk to. Maybe she reports the card as one item stolen in a robbery, and when the police arrest the attacker, they try to validate the origin and purchase history of the card to tie it to the robbery.

    Even though they ultimately establish you had nothing to do with the harm that came to her, and were just an innocent chump who gave her a gift to show gratitude for good loving, your name's been dragged into an investigation, or worse. Details in sordid sex-related crimes invariably end up in the papers. Cops curry favor with reporters by leaking salacious information.

    A lot of these girls move in rough crowds and bad environments, and have a much higher likelihood of being in a bad situation than the general public.

    I'd lump this in with buying phone minutes and paying for notel rooms. Credit cards leave long electronic trails.

  12. #15

    Cash

    VERY good point. I had not thought of that at all.

    However, a gift card does not require a signature at time of use, and you could easily have lost it and it was being used by somebody else. I agree that once questions are asked, you have problems, but from a legal standpoint, unless they have an in-store video of you using the gift card, then they cannot tie you to the purchase?

    As far as in-store cards. I NEVER use then EVER, if they will not swipe one for me, I make them give me one every time which I leave on the counter afterwards. After a while they stop trying to force a card on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Buster  [View Original Post]
    If you buy a gift card with your credit card, the gift card is still traceable back to you. The date and time of gift card purchase / activation will correlate with your credit card transaction. The store's records could be subpoenaed in a paternity case (or other investigation) , and the next thing you know, you're answering questions you'd rather not.

    If you're buying anything relating to hobbying, such as burner phones or cards for minutes, pay cash (and don't swipe your store card to get bonus points credit for the purchase). There's no such thing as "almost" off the grid; you're on or you're off.

  13. #14

    Not complete anonymity

    Quote Originally Posted by Guywoodson  [View Original Post]
    OK. I'll be serious!

    Here's a hint guys. Go to Food Lion. Get $100 Amex GIFT cards. Shows up on your card as grocery bill.

    Then. Use with anonymity!
    If you buy a gift card with your credit card, the gift card is still traceable back to you. The date and time of gift card purchase / activation will correlate with your credit card transaction. The store's records could be subpoenaed in a paternity case (or other investigation) , and the next thing you know, you're answering questions you'd rather not.

    If you're buying anything relating to hobbying, such as burner phones or cards for minutes, pay cash (and don't swipe your store card to get bonus points credit for the purchase). There's no such thing as "almost" off the grid; you're on or you're off.

  14. #13

    When you're done with Pipl you can play with these.

    50 Sites Like Pipl.

    http://www.similarsitesearch.com/alt...es-to/pipl.com

    There's actually quite a few of the premium record sites not listed there.

    How to remove public records from the Internet.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4947199_remo...-internet.html

  15. #12
    Where were you last week during the orchestrated blackout to boycott SOPA and PIPA? They were House and Senate bills tgat dealt with privacy, intellectual property and piracy.

    Sites like Pipl, Spokeo, Intellius, etc use web crawlers and search engines to aggregate data and gives you the link to the information. What information you post on a social network site or even a site like this shouldn't be aggregated by companies like Intellius, Spokeo etc for profit. I can support the "Free Internet," but not when it comes to snooping around to sell personal information. The First Amendment is often abused to protect companies like these.

    Quote Originally Posted by F Scott  [View Original Post]
    I'm not familiar with these terms, I'm afraid. Can you elaborate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog  [View Original Post]
    SOPA and PIPA isn't a bad idea. They just need a better plan to make it work.

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