The Rules for Escort Mongering

[B][I]The __ Rules for Escort Mongering[/I][/B]

I am starting this thread based on conversations that I have had with Nkykinkyguy and others, as well as so many board comments. I would like to keep this thread clean until the "List" is developed and posted, but I felt that the time had come to at least start the thread.

Similar to the "22 Rules for Street Mongering" that is linked from the Homepage, ([url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_mongeringrules&title=22%20Rules%20for%20Street%20Mongering[/url]) when completed, this will be the best place to direct new, regular, and senior members for the best ways to stay safe when mongering for Escorts.

Suggestions and submissions for rules via PM are welcome.

Professor JRW1

[center][B][U][I]A Guide for Escort Hobbying[/I][/U][/B][/center]
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[*][B]Research. [/B]Do your research before scheduling an appointment. Use all of the information available to you on the internet and there is no reason not to find a great Provider.
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[*]View as many advertising venues as possible. There are many options. BackPage is only one such possibility. There are various websites that allow Providers to post profiles and contact information. Some are fee based some not. Always go with the non-fee based sites before paying money for information. That information is almost always available through a non-fee based source like USASG. Some Providers have websites of their own with pictures and reviews. BackPage or other similar sites can be a roll of the dice, but legitimate, safe Providers do post there. However, Independent Providers or Escort Services with good references are a safer way to go. Contact an experienced Hobbyist if you need to know of other places to look.
[*]Search out several review sites. There are many. You have obviously found this one! Some of the previously referenced websites allow Providers to post ads and Hobbyists to post reviews. Again, contact an experienced Hobbyist if you are not familiar with other sites or how to search them.
[*]Do extensive checks on Providers to which you have narrowed your list.
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[*]Use Google to find other results for the listed phone number. You might be able to determine if it is a phone line used by LE. You wouldn’t believe that police stings would use a number listed to a police station, but they do. Also, you might find other results that lead you to other ads that might provide helpful additional information or even indicate that the advertiser is suspicious.
[*]Use TinEye to check any posted pictures. Sometimes this will lead to no results, which really doesn’t tell you anything one way or the other. However, sometimes you will find the pictures “stolen” from other websites. These websites might be “porn” websites or websites of other Providers. Sometimes the results will lead you to the Provider’s website or other relevant information pertaining to the Provider.
[*]As mentioned above, find and read as many reviews of the Provider as you can find. If a review doesn’t provide enough information to satisfy you, contact the reviewer and ask them for more detailed information.
[*]Last, if you cannot find any information in other places, ask for help on an open forum. Be sure to indicate what you have found or have not found so that others know what research you have already attempted. If there is information out there, someone should help you.
[*]If absolutely no information is available, you would be best advised to move on to your next best selection, even if you are inclined to TOFTT. Skip TOFTT until you are more experienced.
[/list][*]Make contact and establish relationships with experienced Hobbyists. Utilize their experience, referrals, and opinions on the Providers on your list.
[*]Try to be aware of current pricing. It does vary (sometimes significantly) between Providers, but pricing below a certain level is an indicator of a non-GFE or a scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
[*]Remember that no matter what the ads or reviews say, YMMV. Not all people click.
[/list][*][B]Terminology. [/B]Get to know the language of the Hobby. Refer to the USASG [B][I]Terms and Abbreviations List [/I][/B][I](link at top of page) [/I]for a glossary of terms and abbreviations that you may encounter.
.[*][B]Making Contact. [/B]
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[*]You might want to practice by calling several Independent Providers or Escort Services to get familiar with what is being offered. Understand though, that they might not be able or willing to fully describe over the phone or in emails what they offer because they don’t want to get busted by LE. [I] (Remember both Hobbyists and Providers are both concerned about LE) [/I]In other words, if the Provider says they offer “full female companionship” or a “girl friend experience” (GFE), you are supposed to be sharp enough to figure out that you are going to get laid.
[*]Make sure you select her preferred method of contact. Talking on the phone is best. There is no quicker way to alienate yourself than by texting a Provider that clearly states “no texting” on her ad.
[*][B]Be polite. [/B]If the Provider you talk to is rude or obnoxious, would you want to meet her? Probably not and she will probably feel the same way about you.
[*]Be prepared to be screened. You screened her before making contact. Expect her to do the same to you. Don’t be offended. It is part of the game. Get used to it. Remember LE never screens.
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[*]Many legitimate Providers will want references to assure themselves that you are not LE, a thief, or a physical danger. Yes Providers do get ripped off. They may have different methods of providing a reference that will satisfy them. Some request the email or phone number of at least two past Providers that you have seen. Some require you to be a member of a certain website. This is a very good thing for the Hobbyist, since it most likely means that she is not LE herself.
[/list][*][B]Again, be polite. [/B]Even if she declines your appointment request, you may want to see her at a later date when you can pass her screening requirements.
[*]Tell her that you are interested in her services and would like to know more. Ask questions about massages and see if you can get a conversation started. This is so that you can get a feel as to whether you want to meet this person. She might be real friendly and talkative or she might be short and rude. This should help you make a decision.
[*]In many (or most) cases, a Provider will not give you a price list of what you get for what amount of money. However, you can ask questions like, “If I have [I][choose an amount] [/I]on me, do you think that would cover everything or do I need to pay extra as a tip?” This will give you an idea of what you will be paying. Make sure that there are no extra charges. Avoid providers that immediate list cost of extras and tipping. It is very important to ask many questions. If she doesn’t like all of these questions, tell her, “Thank you for your time, but I don’t want to be ripped off. I’ll find someone else.” [B][I]Always be polite and act like a gentleman when you are talking. [/I][/B]You will have better results when asking questions and she will feel more comfortable about you.
[/list][*][B]Staying Safe. [/B]Important things to remember to keep you safe so that you are not an easy bust or mark!
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[*]Above all else, if something feels wrong or doesn’t look right. [B][U]leave[/U][/B], with your money, if possible. Remember, you should be in control of the situation.
[*]Never use the words [B]”sex for money” [/B]whether on the phone, in texts, in emails, or in person. A Provider will avoid any conversation that implies that the transaction is [U]sex for money[/U]. A LEO will [B][I]try [/I][/B]to get you to say that you are looking for sex for money. If a “provider” is using the words “sex for money,” she is either very stupid or she is a LEO. If she is avoiding the words “sex for money” or any other similar agreements, then she is [B][I]probably [/I][/B]safe.
[*]A common misconception about being busted is that you don’t actually have to have sex for money to get arrested. All you have to do is [B][I]agree [/I][/B]to have sex for money. In this case, either of you can be arrested, even if no sex or money is exchanged. LE will have to record your agreement to have sex for money, though. As noted above, neither of you should use those words or any similar statements that mean the same thing. Admittedly, she needs to know you are not a LEO or a violent threat or someone who is going to be trouble. Also, she needs to let you know if she is expecting you to pay up front. But, she cannot ask you to give her money for sex, because that would be prostitution and that is not what she does.
[*][B]Websites [/B]are a good thing. If a Provider refers you to a website that has pricing, services, and nude photos, she is probably not a LEO. It is unlikely (and possibly entrapment) that LE will set up a fake website with those details to set up stings. However, BackPage / Craigslist type ads are a completely different matter. [B]Be Aware! [/B]
[*][B]Meeting Locations. [/B]
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[*][B]Incall:[/B] [U]Advantage[/U] - There should be no extra expenditures for a hotel room. [U]Disadvantage[/U] - She has picked the place and this might be a setup for a “Cash ‘n’ Dash” or a robbery.
[*][B]Outcall:[/B] [U]Advantage[/U] - You have more control over the location, so you will be safer and less likely to be scammed or robbed. [U]Disadvantage[/U] - You will likely have to pay additional for the hotel room. It is not often that this will be included in the Provider’s rate. Regardless, make every attempt to have the Provider put the room in her name, so as to protect your personal information.
[*][B]Your Place:[/B] This should always be a “no”. It may save you some money and you will know the location is secure, but then the Provider knows where you live (or work) and you don’t want that.
[/list][*][B]Your Money and Wallet.[/B] Do not carry more money than you are willing to spend (the agreed upon amount for your session plus a possible tip for later if you think it was worth it). But, you don’t want her or your dick to talk you into paying more than you should. Remove everything from your wallet that you do not want stolen [B]or [/B]have a second wallet that you can use for Hobbying. Take nothing but the money and your ID to an appointment. If by unfortunate chance you are questioned by LE, you do not want to be caught without identification. However, [B]do not [/B]under any circumstances let the Provider see your ID. You do not want her to have your full name, address, or any other information.
[*][B]Your Phone.[/B] You [B][I]should [/I][/B]have a Hobby phone. Think what might happen if your wife or significant other picks up your phone and wonders with whom you have been calling or texting? Your Hobby phone should be left somewhere secure when not in your possession. In addition to avoiding the previous concern, this will protect you from unexpected and inopportune calls. Never take your personal phone in to your session. This will protect the phone and the personal information it may contain from theft, view by the Provider, or confiscation by LE. Never let the Provider use your phone.
[*][B]CFS. [/B]
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[*][B][U]Always[/U][/B] Use a condom for FS. Do not be tempted to skip the cover. No matter how careful or safe you or she might be you do not want to take any chances. Protect yourself and avoid unwanted pregnancies or STD’s. Trust history, these both happen all the time.
[*]Carry your own condoms. Although it is generally assumed that the Provider should bring the supplies, it is a good idea to have your own. Sometimes the Provider will forget things, so don’t count on them to have their act together. Many Providers don’t buy the best condoms or may not have them on hand. This can be their way of reducing the services that they have to provide, not a bait and switch exactly, just a cost / time saving measure for them. They like to increase their productivity also if they can. If you have a brand you like, buy your own and offer to use your condoms. It will save her from having to use one of her own and you are sure that one is available so that you can get what you want.
[/list][/list][*][B]Be Aware of Possible Scams. [/B]
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[*][B]Cash ‘n’ Dash #1.[/B] If you go to a motel where she is at, there should be no reason that she doesn’t have the room all set up and ready to meet you. Do not be fooled by a Provider telling you that she needs your money to pay for the room. She is just as likely to take your money and run instead of going to pay for the room. You will be safest to cancel the meeting and walk away.
[*][B]Cash ‘n’ Dash #2.[/B] The Provider should not get the money and then need to leave the room for any reason. She might claim to need to “pay a driver,” “get condoms from the car because she forgot them,” or other reasons. If she leaves the room, it is likely that she will get in a car and drive away and there is not a lot you can do about that. If she insists that she must leave for something, she must leave the money. If she continues to insist on leaving the room, just say, “This is not what I expected” and leave with your money, if possible.
[*][B]Double Booked or something else not right.[/B] If you go to her place or to a motel where she is at, there should be no reason that she doesn’t have the room all set up and ready to meet you. If she keeps putting you off after you have arrived, she likely has someone else in the room (Client, Boyfriend, Pimp, etc.) or something that she doesn’t want you to see. This is an unsafe situation. Leave immediately.
[*][B]Bait ‘n’ Switch #1.[/B] If you get to the Provider’s location and the Provider who greets you at the door is clearly not the girl in the pictures that you have seen (whether it is because the pictures are “old” pictures and she has changed or it is a completely different person), excuse yourself, say that you made a mistake and must have the wrong room or address, and leave. This could be a LE sting or just misrepresentation on the part of the Provider. Either way, you have been lured in to a situation that is not what you wanted or expected.
[*][B]Bait ‘n’ Switch #2.[/B] If you get to the Provider’s location and the Provider you expected is there, but she says that she cannot see you (it doesn’t matter what excuse she gives), but that she has another Provider available for you to see you, excuse yourself, tell her that is not what you were expecting, and leave. Again, you were lured into a situation that is not what you wanted or expected. You are not likely to be satisfied with the substitution.
[*][B]The Up Sell.[/B] If a Provider begins the session with an immediate up sell, telling you that it will cost additional for the services you discussed, keep your money if possible and leave. Just say, “There must have been a misunderstanding” and leave. If she implements the up sell there is very little chance you are going to get the happy ending you were expecting.
[*][B]”Boyfriend” in the closet.[/B] When you get to the Provider’s location, you should always discreetly look for anyone else in the room / house. If you ever feel that you are in a bad situation, you should leave. However, you may encounter a lurking boyfriend or pimp, who is there to rob you. There is not a lot you can do in this situation, especially if the guy has a weapon. Best case scenario, cooperate and give them your money and get out of there safely. It is not worth getting shot over some cash. If you only have your Hobby wallet and only amount of money you intended to spend, you won’t be in jeopardy of future blackmail.
[/list][*][B]The Meeting. [/B]
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[*]Some Providers will ask you to call from the car when you are outside and others will tell you in advance where you are going. When you get to the door, knock on it. [B]NEVER [/B]linger around outside looking nervous. [B]NEVER [/B]attract unwanted attention. [B]Act as if you belong there. [/B]
[*]When she opens the door, go inside. Let her shut the door and make sure she locks it. Then, you can greet one another. Most of the time, the Provider will lead from this point.
[*]Upon entering her incall, immediately (but inconspicuously) check out your surroundings. In a hotel or home, ask to use the bathroom to freshen up. This will insure that no one is lurking to rob you once you are undressed. It will also give you a moment to calm your nerves if necessary.
[*]Once you are inside and both know that the other is not LE, the money exchange is the next consideration.
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[*][U]Possibility #1[/U]. If you are expected to pay up front, place a plain, open envelope with the money in it on a table. [B]Do not [/B]try to hand it to the Provider. Allow her to see it, but do not make any comment about it. Do not try to talk about services or what she is going to do for you. Just let the time you are together happen naturally. (Again, never use the words “sex for money”. This is a matter of legality. You are not really giving her money for sex.).
[*][U]Possibility #2[/U]. If you are expected to pay up front, you may even want to leave her donation in an envelope in the bathroom when you ask to use it. This helps to insure more distance from the money exchange. It will be out of sight of cameras or LE and gives you plausible deniability (“It was already in there.”). This option also provides some additional security against the Cash ‘n’ Dash. If / when she inquires about the donation, then you can say that she might want to check the bathroom.
[*][U]Possibility #3[/U]. Do not pay up front. [B]THIS IS ALWAYS THE BEST OPTION! [/B]This leaves you in control of the situation. It protects you from many of the possible scams that unscrupulous Providers might try (Cash ‘n’ Dash, not giving you the agreed upon services, etc.).
[/list][*]Once all parties are comfortable and ready for fun, the Provider will typically say “Why don’t you get comfortable?” You are expected to know that this is your cue for you to take your clothes off. Most times, to protect herself, she will wait until the Hobbyist is naked or mostly naked before she undresses.
[*][B]Have a good time! [/B]
[*]Tipping is [B][I]your [/I][/B]choice; don’t let her try to persuade you otherwise.
[/list][*][B][U]Be nice to the ladies and they will be nice to you[/U][/B]. These are people with feelings and lives, not just automated sex dispensers. Treat them as such.
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Above all, be Safe and Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=Jry Wild1; 1129223][center][B][U][I]A Guide for Escort Hobbying[/I][/U][/B][/center]
[list=1]
[*][B]Research. [/B]Do your research before scheduling an appointment. Use all of the information available to you on the internet and there is no reason not to find a great Provider.
[list=A]
[*]View as many advertising venues as possible. There are many options. BackPage is only one such possibility. There are various websites that allow Providers to post profiles and contact information. Some are fee based some not. Always go with the non-fee based sites before paying money for information. That information is almost always available through a non-fee based source like USASG. Some Providers have websites of their own with pictures and reviews. BackPage or other similar sites can be a roll of the dice, but legitimate, safe Providers do post there. However, Independent Providers or Escort Services with good references are a safer way to go. Contact an experienced Hobbyist if you need to know of other places to look.
[*]Search out several review sites. There are many. You have obviously found this one! Some of the previously referenced websites allow Providers to post ads and Hobbyists to post reviews. Again, contact an experienced Hobbyist if you are not familiar with other sites or how to search them.
[*]Do extensive checks on Providers to which you have narrowed your list.
[list=1]
[*]Use Google to find other results for the listed phone number. You might be able to determine if it is a phone line used by LE. You wouldn't believe that police stings would use a number listed to a police station, but they do. Also, you might find other results that lead you to other ads that might provide helpful additional information or even indicate that the advertiser is suspicious.
[*]Use TinEye to check any posted pictures. Sometimes this will lead to no results, which really doesn't tell you anything one way or the other. However, sometimes you will find the pictures 'stolen' from other websites. These websites might be 'porn' websites or websites of other Providers. Sometimes the results will lead you to the Provider's website or other relevant information pertaining to the Provider.
[*]As mentioned above, find and read as many reviews of the Provider as you can find. If a review doesn't provide enough information to satisfy you, contact the reviewer and ask them for more detailed information.
[*]Last, if you cannot find any information in other places, ask for help on an open forum. Be sure to indicate what you have found or have not found so that others know what research you have already attempted. If there is information out there, someone should help you.
[*]If absolutely no information is available, you would be best advised to move on to your next best selection, even if you are inclined to TOFTT. Skip TOFTT until you are more experienced.
[/list][*]Make contact and establish relationships with experienced Hobbyists. Utilize their experience, referrals, and opinions on the Providers on your list.
[*]Try to be aware of current pricing. It does vary (sometimes significantly) between Providers, but pricing below a certain level is an indicator of a non-GFE or a scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
[*]Remember that no matter what the ads or reviews say, YMMV. Not all people click.
[/list][*][B]Terminology. [/B]Get to know the language of the Hobby. Refer to the USASG [B][I]Terms and Abbreviations List [/I][/B][I] (link at top of page) [/I]for a glossary of terms and abbreviations that you may encounter.
[*][B]Making Contact. [/B]
[list=A]
[*]You might want to practice by calling several Independent Providers or Escort Services to get familiar with what is being offered. Understand though, that they might not be able or willing to fully describe over the phone or in emails what they offer because they don't want to get busted by LE. [I] (Remember both Hobbyists and Providers are both concerned about LE) [/I]In other words, if the Provider says they offer 'full female companionship' or a 'girl friend experience' (GFE) , you are supposed to be sharp enough to figure out that you are going to get laid.
[*]Make sure you select her preferred method of contact. Talking on the phone is best. There is no quicker way to alienate yourself than by texting a Provider that clearly states 'no texting' on her ad.
[*][B]Be polite. [/B]If the Provider you talk to is rude or obnoxious, would you want to meet her? Probably not and she will probably feel the same way about you.
[*]Be prepared to be screened. You screened her before making contact. Expect her to do the same to you. Don't be offended. It is part of the game. Get used to it. Remember LE never screens.
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[*]Many legitimate Providers will want references to assure themselves that you are not LE, a thief, or a physical danger. Yes Providers do get ripped off. They may have different methods of providing a reference that will satisfy them. Some request the email or phone number of at least two past Providers that you have seen. Some require you to be a member of a certain website. This is a very good thing for the Hobbyist, since it most likely means that she is not LE herself.
[/list][*][B]Again, be polite. [/B]Even if she declines your appointment request, you may want to see her at a later date when you can pass her screening requirements.
[*]Tell her that you are interested in her services and would like to know more. Ask questions about massages and see if you can get a conversation started. This is so that you can get a feel as to whether you want to meet this person. She might be real friendly and talkative or she might be short and rude. This should help you make a decision.
[*]In many (or most) cases, a Provider will not give you a price list of what you get for what amount of money. However, you can ask questions like, 'If I have [I][choose an amount] [/I]on me, do you think that would cover everything or do I need to pay extra as a tip? ' This will give you an idea of what you will be paying. Make sure that there are no extra charges. Avoid providers that immediate list cost of extras and tipping. It is very important to ask many questions. If she doesn't like all of these questions, tell her, 'Thank you for your time, but I don't want to be ripped off. I'll find someone else. ' [B][I]Always be polite and act like a gentleman when you are talking. [/I][/B]You will have better results when asking questions and she will feel more comfortable about you.
[/list][*][B]Staying Safe. [/B]Important things to remember to keep you safe so that you are not an easy bust or mark!
[list=A]
[*]Above all else, if something feels wrong or doesn't look right. [B][U]leave[/U][/B], with your money, if possible. Remember, you should be in control of the situation.
[*]Never use the words [B]'sex for money' [/B]whether on the phone, in texts, in emails, or in person. A Provider will avoid any conversation that implies that the transaction is [U]sex for money[/U]. A LEO will [B][I]try [/I][/B]to get you to say that you are looking for sex for money. If a 'provider' is using the words 'sex for money, ' she is either very stupid or she is a LEO. If she is avoiding the words 'sex for money' or any other similar agreements, then she is [B][I]probably [/I][/B]safe.
[*]A common misconception about being busted is that you don't actually have to have sex for money to get arrested. All you have to do is [B][I]agree [/I][/B]to have sex for money. In this case, either of you can be arrested, even if no sex or money is exchanged. LE will have to record your agreement to have sex for money, though. As noted above, neither of you should use those words or any similar statements that mean the same thing. Admittedly, she needs to know you are not a LEO or a violent threat or someone who is going to be trouble. Also, she needs to let you know if she is expecting you to pay up front. But, she cannot ask you to give her money for sex, because that would be prostitution and that is not what she does.
[*][B]Websites [/B]are a good thing. If a Provider refers you to a website that has pricing, services, and nude photos, she is probably not a LEO. It is unlikely (and possibly entrapment) that LE will set up a fake website with those details to set up stings. However, BackPage / Craigslist type ads are a completely different matter. [B]Be Aware! [/B]
[*][B]Meeting Locations. [/B]
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[*][B]Incall:[/B] [U]Advantage[/U]. There should be no extra expenditures for a hotel room. [U]Disadvantage[/U]. She has picked the place and this might be a setup for a 'Cash 'and' Dash' or a robbery.
[*][B]Outcall:[/B] [U]Advantage[/U]. You have more control over the location, so you will be safer and less likely to be scammed or robbed. [U]Disadvantage[/U]. You will likely have to pay additional for the hotel room. It is not often that this will be included in the Provider's rate. Regardless, make every attempt to have the Provider put the room in her name, so as to protect your personal information.
[*][B]Your Place:[/B] This should always be a 'no'. It may save you some money and you will know the location is secure, but then the Provider knows where you live (or work) and you don't want that.
[/list][*][B]Your Money and Wallet. [/B] Do not carry more money than you are willing to spend (the agreed upon amount for your session plus a possible tip for later if you think it was worth it). But, you don't want her or your dick to talk you into paying more than you should. Remove everything from your wallet that you do not want stolen [B]or [/B]have a second wallet that you can use for Hobbying. Take nothing but the money and your I'd to an appointment. If by unfortunate chance you are questioned by LE, you do not want to be caught without identification. However, [B]do not [/B]under any circumstances let the Provider see your I'd. You do not want her to have your full name, address, or any other information.
[*][B]Your Phone. [/B] You [B][I]should [/I][/B]have a Hobby phone. Think what might happen if your wife or significant other picks up your phone and wonders with whom you have been calling or texting? Your Hobby phone should be left somewhere secure when not in your possession. In addition to avoiding the previous concern, this will protect you from unexpected and inopportune calls. Never take your personal phone in to your session. This will protect the phone and the personal information it may contain from theft, view by the Provider, or confiscation by LE. Never let the Provider use your phone.
[*][B]CFS. [/B]
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[*][B][U]Always[/U][/B] Use a condom for FS. Do not be tempted to skip the cover. No matter how careful or safe you or she might be you do not want to take any chances. Protect yourself and avoid unwanted pregnancies or STD's. Trust history, these both happen all the time.
[*]Carry your own condoms. Although it is generally assumed that the Provider should bring the supplies, it is a good idea to have your own. Sometimes the Provider will forget things, so don't count on them to have their act together. Many Providers don't buy the best condoms or may not have them on hand. This can be their way of reducing the services that they have to provide, not a bait and switch exactly, just a cost / time saving measure for them. They like to increase their productivity also if they can. If you have a brand you like, buy your own and offer to use your condoms. It will save her from having to use one of her own and you are sure that one is available so that you can get what you want.
[/list][/list][*][B]Be Aware of Possible Scams. [/B]
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[*][B]Cash 'and' Dash #1. [/B] If you go to a motel where she is at, there should be no reason that she doesn't have the room all set up and ready to meet you. Do not be fooled by a Provider telling you that she needs your money to pay for the room. She is just as likely to take your money and run instead of going to pay for the room. You will be safest to cancel the meeting and walk away.
[*][B]Cash 'and' Dash #2. [/B] The Provider should not get the money and then need to leave the room for any reason. She might claim to need to 'pay a driver, ' 'get condoms from the car because she forgot them, ' or other reasons. If she leaves the room, it is likely that she will get in a car and drive away and there is not a lot you can do about that. If she insists that she must leave for something, she must leave the money. If she continues to insist on leaving the room, just say, 'This is not what I expected' and leave with your money, if possible.
[*][B]Double Booked or something else not right. [/B] If you go to her place or to a motel where she is at, there should be no reason that she doesn't have the room all set up and ready to meet you. If she keeps putting you off after you have arrived, she likely has someone else in the room (Client, Boyfriend, Pimp, etc.) or something that she doesn't want you to see. This is an unsafe situation. Leave immediately.
[*][B]Bait 'and' Switch #1. [/B] If you get to the Provider's location and the Provider who greets you at the door is clearly not the girl in the pictures that you have seen (whether it is because the pictures are 'old' pictures and she has changed or it is a completely different person) , excuse yourself, say that you made a mistake and must have the wrong room or address, and leave. This could be a LE sting or just misrepresentation on the part of the Provider. Either way, you have been lured in to a situation that is not what you wanted or expected.
[*][B]Bait 'and' Switch #2. [/B] If you get to the Provider's location and the Provider you expected is there, but she says that she cannot see you (it doesn't matter what excuse she gives) , but that she has another Provider available for you to see you, excuse yourself, tell her that is not what you were expecting, and leave. Again, you were lured into a situation that is not what you wanted or expected. You are not likely to be satisfied with the substitution.
[*][B]The Up Sell. [/B] If a Provider begins the session with an immediate up sell, telling you that it will cost additional for the services you discussed, keep your money if possible and leave. Just say, 'There must have been a misunderstanding' and leave. If she implements the up sell there is very little chance you are going to get the happy ending you were expecting.
[*][B]'Boyfriend' in the closet. [/B] When you get to the Provider's location, you should always discreetly look for anyone else in the room / house. If you ever feel that you are in a bad situation, you should leave. However, you may encounter a lurking boyfriend or pimp, who is there to rob you. There is not a lot you can do in this situation, especially if the guy has a weapon. Best case scenario, cooperate and give them your money and get out of there safely. It is not worth getting shot over some cash. If you only have your Hobby wallet and only amount of money you intended to spend, you won't be in jeopardy of future blackmail.
[/list][*][B]The Meeting. [/B]
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[*]Some Providers will ask you to call from the car when you are outside and others will tell you in advance where you are going. When you get to the door, knock on it. [B]NEVER [/B]linger around outside looking nervous. [B]NEVER [/B]attract unwanted attention. [B]Act as if you belong there. [/B]
[*]When she opens the door, go inside. Let her shut the door and make sure she locks it. Then, you can greet one another. Most of the time, the Provider will lead from this point.
[*]Upon entering her incall, immediately (but inconspicuously) check out your surroundings. In a hotel or home, ask to use the bathroom to freshen up. This will insure that no one is lurking to rob you once you are undressed. It will also give you a moment to calm your nerves if necessary.
[*]Once you are inside and both know that the other is not LE, the money exchange is the next consideration.
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[*][U]Possibility #1[/U]. If you are expected to pay up front, place a plain, open envelope with the money in it on a table. [B]Do not [/B]try to hand it to the Provider. Allow her to see it, but do not make any comment about it. Do not try to talk about services or what she is going to do for you. Just let the time you are together happen naturally. (Again, never use the words 'sex for money'. This is a matter of legality. You are not really giving her money for sex.).
[*][U]Possibility #2[/U]. If you are expected to pay up front, you may even want to leave her donation in an envelope in the bathroom when you ask to use it. This helps to insure more distance from the money exchange. It will be out of sight of cameras or LE and gives you plausible deniability ('It was already in there. '). This option also provides some additional security against the Cash 'and' Dash. If / when she inquires about the donation, then you can say that she might want to check the bathroom.
[*][U]Possibility #3[/U]. Do not pay up front. [B]THIS IS ALWAYS THE BEST OPTION! [/B]This leaves you in control of the situation. It protects you from many of the possible scams that unscrupulous Providers might try (Cash 'and' Dash, not giving you the agreed upon services, etc.).
[/list][*]Once all parties are comfortable and ready for fun, the Provider will typically say 'Why don't you get comfortable? ' You are expected to know that this is your cue for you to take your clothes off. Most times, to protect herself, she will wait until the Hobbyist is naked or mostly naked before she undresses.
[*][B]Have a good time! [/B]
[*]Tipping is [B][I]your [/I][/B]choice; don't let her try to persuade you otherwise.
[/list][*][B][U]Be nice to the ladies and they will be nice to you[/U][/B]. These are people with feelings and lives, not just automated sex dispensers. Treat them as such.
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Above all, be Safe and Happy Hunting! [/QUOTE]1) LE can and sometimes will ask for references and just like many of the ladies they don't necessarily check them This allows them to look "legit" to both parties (they send the lady a ref verification and now she's heard of them so if they ever target her the "guy" could use this previous contact as a reference).

2) ALWAYS get permission from a lady to use her for a reference and also follow up to let her know that she might be contacted by ____________.

3) Websites no matter how good they look can be an LE front. (Do a search for Operation Flea Collar & Hillsborough County, FL and read how far they were willing to go when the large canine board was targeted).

4) Legitimate ladies can and do get popped from time to time. When this happens it is not unusual for LE to take their phone or laptop and keep their appointments for them (and maybe even schedule a few more). Arriving a few minutes early to get the lay of the land never hurts, (don't orbit the incall location for an extended period) because you never know what you'll see.

5) Never park directly in front of the incall if you can help it, a short walk is good for you.

6) Never take anything into an appointment that you CAN'T afford to lose. Leave the wedding ring, car keys, wallet, etc locked in the trunk of the car (on incall) or someplace safe on an outcall, nothing sucks more than having a $$ appointment turn into a $1k one because you have to change the locks on the house & cancel your credit cards because something comes up missing afterwards.

7) Always do a room recon before you or the lady leaves. It's a certainty that sooner or later somebody will forget something. I've returned 3 watches. 5 chains / necklaces & 1 engagement ring over the last 4 years and I've also lost 3 supply kits on outcalls (forgot that I had put them in the nightstand drawer, etc).

8) It never hurts to ask the lady if she'd like something picked up (ie water, juice, pop or even supplies)

9) Murphy was an optimist. If you are trying to fit an hour appointment into an hour and a half window, sooner or later you will miss that flight, meeting, etc. Allow extra time for things to go wrong or really well.

10) Keep the hobby life and real life separate. Get a burn phone and don't use use your real phone or email address as either of those will get someone your complete life story for about $29. 95.

11) IT departments monitor employees (& bosses) email, websurfing and phone usuage, even if it is not something they look at everyday their system logs can be subpoenaed as evidence. IT system admins if they are even slightly competent will notice unusual usage patterns and some have been known to deliver information they've collected to third parties for the right incentive.

It's been over a year since someone posted in here, but this seems like the most fitting place for my question.

It seems like P411 is the real deal and both sides trust it. I am just wondering if people think its worth the money? And if you really think they get rid of your personal information after you have been vouched? Also it does seem like a ton of girls are even listed in there.

Like I said any advice would be great, thanks.

Some ladies are very detailed about the donation info. The clearly state how much, accepted forms, how to leave it, where to leave, etc. Others I have noticed are very vague. How do the "experienced" take care of the donation so as not to upset the lady or to make things awkward?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Charger1; 1451462]It's been over a year since someone posted in here, but this seems like the most fitting place for my question.

It seems like P411 is the real deal and both sides trust it. I am just wondering if people think its worth the money? And if you really think they get rid of your personal information after you have been vouched? Also it does seem like a ton of girls are even listed in there.

Like I said any advice would be great, thanks.[/QUOTE]I just got signed up there. Not sure if they are still doign it, if it was a limited time thing, but when I got signed up it was a free 6 month trial (didn't have to give a CC number) if you could get two vouched providers to vouch for you. So now I'm signed up and I'll see how it goes. You still have to give real info (real name, etc.) as your username is made up of a few pieces of info that a provider you book with can check to make sure you are who you say you are. So it's about what you are comfortable with. Most fo the providers on there are "higher end." I. E. More upscale pricing, but there are plenty of ladies from these boards who are on there (Ally and Molly jump to mind). Unfortunately some of the providers on there don't' allow you to see their profiles unless you are a member, so you have to start the sign up and do a search for a provider to see if they are there or not.

[QUOTE=JBrew; 1769610]Some ladies are very detailed about the donation info. The clearly state how much, accepted forms, how to leave it, where to leave, etc. Others I have noticed are very vague. How do the "experienced" take care of the donation so as not to upset the lady or to make things awkward?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Never hand the donations to the provider. Leave it on the table where she can see it even if she ask for you to hand it to her.

Adult Services: Whether using a phone book or website, it' a dead end to look for any other term. Some phone books have removed the section altogether, preferring 'Adult Entertainment' to legally cover stripping, basement / garage modeling, jumping out of cakes, and the like. 'services' on the other hand, ensures the exchange of sex for money, though it's never wise to ask the friendly voice on the other end for specifics. Trust me. That's between you and the lady� who will meet every awkward inquiry.

Bargain and the haggle: Do not, under any circumstances, try to negotiate a fee upon arrival. It's even worse to do so after you've taken off your clothes. If the cost is $200, the best ladies are all-inclusive, but there are still rackets about that require additional tips. Yes, you may have to learn the hard way. If you hand over your money and she isn't naked herself within 30 seconds, I hope you brought additional cash.

Comfortable: As in, 'Maybe you should get comfortable. ' If you hear these words upon arrival, get naked. Yes, completely naked. Leaving your socks on will only cause the lady to repeat this phrase or, in extreme cases, call her dispatcher. If you're in the buff, it's unlikely you're a cop, or at least that's the assumption.

Dental Dam: If you're the crazy sort who needs to eat a much-abused pussy, failing to use a dental dam will likely send you to the hospital. Service provider pussy is for tapping, not immersing the same tongue that expects to savor a Big Mac afterwards.

Erection: If you have a raging one on the drive over, you will not exceed three minutes in the sack. If you still don't have one after she's tickling your balls, I suggest the other persuasion.

Fellatio: Any respectable prostitute will perform oral sex at the opening bell (pity if you get one of those 'massage first' chicks) , but decline immediately if she pulls out a condom. Yeah, it's safer, but you might as well be wearing a wool sock. Sure, I've gotten off to the mere sight of a chick in the nether regions, but to this date, I've never actually enjoyed a condom-oriented blow job. If she rolls it on before you can protest, move directly to sex.

Gonorrhea: You're more likely to get it from your girlfriend than a prostitute, so dive in with confidence.

Humiliation: Usually very costly and reserved for specialists, you can often convince your regular to smack you around a bit if you overpay for the half-hour session. Don't ask if it's your first time, but once you're comfortable and familiar, a sawbuck or two will likely earn a disparaging comment or perhaps an open-hand slap. Full beatings usually require a doubling of the overall price.

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In-Call: Jump in the car, baby, because you're going to her place. Or his, if that's your cup of tea. Curiously, this is the preferred method of meeting an adult sex worker, as you can remain relatively anonymous and avoid blackmail schemes such as those featured in Punch Drunk Love. Sure, there's a chance some dude is hiding in the basement, waiting for you to be naked, vulnerable, and amenable to handing over your wallet, but that's not likely to happen in your more upscale, markets or areas.

Jerking Off: Sure, she's a pro, but do not ask for a handjob from a prostitute. She's not only beneath such rote behavior, she'll likely do it half-assed just to piss you off. Still, that's not as bad as paying $265 and only being allowed to jerk yourself off. * wouldn't even remove her top! Not like I'the know or anything.

Kissing: It's pretty much conventional wisdom that prostitutes don't like to kiss because it's 'too personal, ' but that's one of the oldest myths running. They don't want to kiss because it's likely your breath approximates her pussy after an atypically busy afternoon. I slobbered all over a working girl once just to say I did, but dragon breath was the last thing my tentative erection needed for the good fight. A peck goodbye is the preferred method. Making out is for teenagers and drunks.

Love: If it existed, you wouldn't be here.

Music: I can't remember ever visiting a prostitute who didn't have music playing, though on one occasion, I fucked in a motel room while the television was on. Maury, if I'm not mistaken. Acceptable tunes include Enya, Seal, Marvin Gaye, and light jazz, though R&B will work in a pinch. Avoid heavy metal and country at all costs. AC / DC is for strip clubs.

Nasty Talk: You always think you're going to use such language (hey, she's a pro, not my girlfriend) , but it never happens. The minute you start saying, 'you want my cock, don't you * ' you feel completely stupid for assuming you could be manly. You fear women, that's why you can't find any outside the parameters of a transaction, remember? Meek and mild is best, just in case you want to see the little lady again. You are allowed to scream like a banshee during your orgasm, but leave the trash talk at home.

One-and-Done: Few things are as depressing as finding that hot little number who makes you shoot your wad inside of a minute, only to find out that 'per hour' is arguably the most misleading term on earth. Most gals are 'per load' types, which is their right, but if you manage to find a lady who lets you go as many times as you wish without additional currency, never let her go. I mean, follow her from coast to coast, if necessary. I would suggest jerking off right before seeing a prostitute to ensure a longer experience, but every time I think I can do this, I realize, post-orgasm, that I just saved a bunch of money and am too tired to go anywhere.

Prostitute: An acceptable term in some quarters, but 'escort'� is pretty much the standard these days. Never, ever use 'working girl' or 'tramp' when discussing business, and if you're a real gentleman, you'll resort to 'ma'am' as needed.

Quickie: If you're going to be the sort who can't fill the allotted hour (or half-hour) , make sure you're dropping no more than $40. My personal record is $150 for five total minutes, but that's a mistake no man will make twice. Fine, three times. Find a prostitute who allows 'multiple visits' during the session, and you'll never fear the call of pre-maturity again.

Ramada Inn: The worst fucking place to ever meet a prostitute. Yeah, they often have the outside entrances you crave, but they never seem to cool down those rooms in the summer. As strange as it sounds, I've had the greatest times at Motel 6, perhaps because I don't feel so guilty about dripping my juice on the comforter. It seems almost obligatory.

Sexy attire: I never did like it when girls would answer the door wearing a teddy or some allegedly 'sexy' item. Such things made me more self-conscious and mindful of the business side of the situation. No, it's best when they come to the door in every day clothing, like a sweater, blue jeans, or tight-ass shorts that reverberate camel toe. And if they look like they're just gotten home from a big meeting, complete with librarian-style hair bun? I'm hard before I hit the foyer.

Talking: Very, very important to exchange words with a prostitute after sex, though no more than 3-4 minutes. Believe me, she wants you the fuck out of there. Still, I learned many things over the years, including the fact that a provider I love see on here number one client is a married cop. My sweet, sweet little ATF in Cincy puffed up like a peacock whenever she told me about fucking a high-ranking officer in Hamilton County, or some suit from the mayor's office. And it made me go all aw-shucks with pride whenever she asked me how my Master's Thesis was going. Still unreadable, thanks.

U-turn: Once you call to arrange an appointment, don't be a dick and not show up. If you have regrets, call her and cancel. She has better things to do than shower for no reason. Though you may not.

Voluptuous: They'll tell you over the phone if they're in possession of a healthy rack, and it's best to insist on it. Sure, it's wise to withhold funds from anyone that sends BS pics but if the only way you're going to get a mouthful of funbag is to climb Mt. Fuji, so be it. Few things are as depressing as driving across town to find an emaciated chick who looks like that neighbor boy who never eats.

Washcloth: The classier dames will always offer to wipe down your penis after sex, which is more than my damn ex-wife has ever done. Then again, she had to mount me for free.

Xavier: Just isn't a believable pseudonym. I tried Enrique once, but giggled my way to a hang up. You're not faxing her a copy of your Social Security card and routing information, for crying out loud; just give her your real name.

Youth: Yeah, I've had the ladies fresh from college, or its working girl equivalent, waitressing, but your dollars are better spent with the 30-40 crowd. Not only does an older woman have the chops, she's more likely to convince you that she actually wants to be there, rather than simply being too lazy to punch a time clock. A hot 20-year-old, while good for the loins, will never pull off the head-back moan. But a MILF? I'm buying it, baby.

Zero: When you're earning $7. 25 an hour and still living at home, your bank account will never rise above this point if you insist on more than one girl per month. It's why the good Lord done made credit cards.

Mattiefromcinc that was the funniest, most informative, down right true posts I have ever seen. ANYWHERE!

Mattie I LMAO during your entire dissertation. Thanks for the true humor this morning

When playing the sports in which the site is dedicated to, who's responsible to provide the protective equipment? Is it his job cause he is a gentlemen? Her job because that is part of the service? Whoever hosts because that is proper etiquette of a host?

Just something I've been pondering and couldn't find much information on. Thanks.

She should provide protection. It may also be a security issue for her (so some dirtbag wouldn't supply a faulty condom-although her screening should preclude that). However, some of the lower price ranged ladies come up short with this service. Some guys also have special needs regarding protection and should then bring their own. If you do bring your own it is advisable in an unopened box for her piece of mind. If unsure with a new provider you can ask if she needs anything while you are on the way. Not as easy an answer as you'd probably like, but hopefully helpful.

[QUOTE=JBrew;2100451]When playing the sports in which the site is dedicated to, who's responsible to provide the protective equipment? Is it his job cause he is a gentlemen? Her job because that is part of the service? Whoever hosts because that is proper etiquette of a host?

Just something I've been pondering and couldn't find much information on. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Rules for mongrering lmao.

There is no code of ethic here. This is hilarious, maybe the governement could establish some guidlines for us all to follow. We are all grown adults, we are all different and come from different back grounds, any riules that would apply are between two individuals.

I've been all around the world, in the USA military, no rules were set when we kill in another country.

All is fair in love and war, This thing called " KARMA" takes care of those that do things beyond the standards of norm.

Hmm, maybe we should set some rules of conduct for drug dealers too lmfao.

[QUOTE=CockNumb;2102283]Rules for mongrering lmao.

There is no code of ethic here. This is hilarious, maybe the governement could establish some guidlines for us all to follow. We are all grown adults, we are all different and come from different back grounds, any riules that would apply are between two individuals.

I've been all around the world, in the USA military, no rules were set when we kill in another country.

All is fair in love and war, This thing called " KARMA" takes care of those that do things beyond the standards of norm.

Hmm, maybe we should set some rules of conduct for drug dealers too lmfao.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your service my friend. Rules are written but experience is better. Karma isn't that great it doesn't show up that much or all the time. Very few provider are trustworthy. It takes the 20 percent at most that make the hobby a blast. Stay thirsty my friend. In this hobby as in most things the problem or pain is the blessing otherwise I wouldn't make any progress and to me that's what makes the hobby a challenge. Love it when the perfect session gives you hope!

You know regularly reviewing these guidelines does help a lot. After reading over them, I realized that errors were made on the last encounter including bringing in a real wallet with I'd, credit cards, etc. , etc. Luckily nothing negative happened because of this lapse in judgement. We can all use a refresher.

[QUOTE=Daddymonger;2112453]You know regularly reviewing these guidelines does help a lot. After reading over them, I realized that errors were made on the last encounter including bringing in a real wallet with I'd, credit cards, etc. , etc. Luckily nothing negative happened because of this lapse in judgement. We can all use a refresher.[/QUOTE]Always good to review. I try to travel as light as possie in case things go south. Ie what would be a pain to replace if it was stolen. I find myself getting more comfortable and playing a little faster and looser than I should.

This site, more research and time searching to the point of daily, and common sense. Take a lot of time (unless you use this site or one or 2 others where girls are "validated" and don't make decisions with your small head.

Been doing this since '95 in college and beyond the above, cover up.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;2103121]The rules (guidelines or suggested SOP) might have helped you avoid finding yourself in the situations you've reported. A guy who's been scammed and played like a fool by multiple escorts / SW should welcome and study the rules. For instance, your cash and dash scenario is outlined generally in rule 5.A.

These aren't "rules of play", they are "rules of thumb". And the rules below would help you avoid scams and ripoffs (and you clearly need to read them).

But as usual, you know best. Too bad you got outwitted by a couple of high school drop outs.[/QUOTE]As Kevin Costner said in 3000 miles from Graceland "Fuck The Rules" LOL.

Hi there,

I've been roaming around the forum for the past two weeks trying to get educated. Wow is this a gold mine of resource for anyone trying to get their feet wet in this underworld. Before I posted anything, I wanted to wait until I have something that might actually be worthy of posting. Maybe something informative that I could contribute to the forum that will benefit others on here. I noticed a lot of people mentioning burner phones being a valued asset in this business. It makes a lot of sense as discretion is not just important, but it could potentially save your life. Burner phones get the job done, but I don't like the idea of having to carry around an extra phone. Then I realized that there is an alternative which I have known about. That alternative is Google Voice. So I decided that my first post will be to describe setting up a Google Voice account and having the functionality of being able to use your existing phone with an alternate phone number (changeable at anytime) which prevents anyone from being able to trace back to you unless they are law enforcement and provide a subpoena, court order or search warrant.

1. Go to the Google Voice website and DO NOT log in with your existing google account. It is imperative that you create a NEW google account that does not contain any of your personal information. Obviously your username should not be close to any usernames you use on other accounts. DO NOT verify the account with your phone.

2. Once your NEW google account is setup, configure the Google Voice feature to work with your cell phone. Obviously, your new Google Voice number is going to be different than your ACTUAL number.

3. Download a VPN app from the app store or google play depending on whether you have an iphone or andriod. I highly recommend Private Internet Access ([URL]www.privateinternetaccess.com[/URL]). It is a paid service that cost as little as $3/ month.

4. Download the Google Voice app from the app store or google play.

5. Run the VPN app and select a server that is no where near you (preferably out of the country like Netherlands) and turn ON VPN functinoality.

6. Run the Google Voice app and make your secure call.

7. The number that shows up on the receiver side is your google voice number. If traced, it will point to a Google Voice server and from there will be traced to the VPN server in the Netherlands.

[QUOTE=VpnGuy;2783275]Hi there,

I've been roaming around the forum for the past two weeks trying to get educated. Wow is this a gold mine of resource for anyone trying to get their feet wet in this underworld. Before I posted anything, I wanted to wait until I have something that might actually be worthy of posting. Maybe something informative that I could contribute to the forum that will benefit others on here. I noticed a lot of people mentioning burner phones being a valued asset in this business. It makes a lot of sense as discretion is not just important, but it could potentially save your life. Burner phones get the job done, but I don't like the idea of having to carry around an extra phone. Then I realized that there is an alternative which I have known about. That alternative is Google Voice. So I decided that my first post will be to describe setting up a Google Voice account and having the functionality of being able to use your existing phone with an alternate phone number (changeable at anytime) which prevents anyone from being able to trace back to you unless they are law enforcement and provide a subpoena, court order or search warrant.
[/QUOTE]Excellent first post and much appreciated! Do I need both the VPN and Google Voice to be anonymous? Some people have said that all you need is GV.

Bam.

What about tracking by an IP address?

[QUOTE=VpnGuy;2783275]Hi there,

I've been roaming around the forum for the past two weeks trying to get educated. Wow is this a gold mine of resource for anyone trying to get their feet wet in this underworld. Before I posted anything, I wanted to wait until I have something that might actually be worthy of posting. Maybe something informative that I could contribute to the forum that will benefit others on here. I noticed a lot of people mentioning burner phones being a valued asset in this business. It makes a lot of sense as discretion is not just important, but it could potentially save your life. Burner phones get the job done, but I don't like the idea of having to carry around an extra phone. Then I realized that there is an alternative which I have known about. That alternative is Google Voice. So I decided that my first post will be to describe setting up a Google Voice account and having the functionality of being able to use your existing phone with an alternate phone number (changeable at anytime) which prevents anyone from being able to trace back to you unless they are law enforcement and provide a subpoena, court order or search warrant.

1. Go to the Google Voice website and DO NOT log in with your existing google account. It is imperative that you create a NEW google account that does not contain any of your personal information. Obviously your username should not be close to any usernames you use on other accounts. DO NOT verify the account with your phone.

2. Once your NEW google account is setup, configure the Google Voice feature to work with your cell phone. Obviously, your new Google Voice number is going to be different than your ACTUAL number.

3. Download a VPN app from the app store or google play depending on whether you have an iphone or andriod. I highly recommend Private Internet Access ([URL]www.privateinternetaccess.com[/URL]). It is a paid service that cost as little as $3/ month.

4. Download the Google Voice app from the app store or google play.

5. Run the VPN app and select a server that is no where near you (preferably out of the country like Netherlands) and turn ON VPN functinoality.

6. Run the Google Voice app and make your secure call.

7. The number that shows up on the receiver side is your google voice number. If traced, it will point to a Google Voice server and from there will be traced to the VPN server in the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]

Ok so I'm new to the group / page and well. New to the hobby in general. Always been curious about it but just to sketched out to try.

Then, I stumbled across this page. Sooo. For the passed week or so I've been reading thru the Forum doing homework taking notes. LOL.

And I think I'm just about ready to take the plunge. Just want to thank everybody who posts and shares their experiences.

Hopefully soon I will have my own reports!

New to the hobby and looking forward to getting into it. This post was very helpful as a noob! I have some things to do before my first visit, get no contract phone etc.

[QUOTE=VpnGuy;2783275]Hi there,

I've been roaming around the forum for the past two weeks trying to get educated. Wow is this a gold mine of resource for anyone trying to get their feet wet in this underworld. Before I posted anything, I wanted to wait until I have something that might actually be worthy of posting. Maybe something informative that I could contribute to the forum that will benefit others on here. I noticed a lot of people mentioning burner phones being a valued asset in this business. It makes a lot of sense as discretion is not just important, but it could potentially save your life. Burner phones get the job done, but I don't like the idea of having to carry around an extra phone. Then I realized that there is an alternative which I have known about. That alternative is Google Voice. So I decided that my first post will be to describe setting up a Google Voice account and having the functionality of being able to use your existing phone with an alternate phone number (changeable at anytime) which prevents anyone from being able to trace back to you unless they are law enforcement and provide a subpoena, court order or search warrant.

1. Go to the Google Voice website and DO NOT log in with your existing google account. It is imperative that you create a NEW google account that does not contain any of your personal information. Obviously your username should not be close to any usernames you use on other accounts. DO NOT verify the account with your phone.

2. Once your NEW google account is setup, configure the Google Voice feature to work with your cell phone. Obviously, your new Google Voice number is going to be different than your ACTUAL number.

3. Download a VPN app from the app store or google play depending on whether you have an iphone or andriod. I highly recommend Private Internet Access ([URL]www.privateinternetaccess.com[/URL]). It is a paid service that cost as little as $3/ month.

4. Download the Google Voice app from the app store or google play.

5. Run the VPN app and select a server that is no where near you (preferably out of the country like Netherlands) and turn ON VPN functinoality.

6. Run the Google Voice app and make your secure call.

7. The number that shows up on the receiver side is your google voice number. If traced, it will point to a Google Voice server and from there will be traced to the VPN server in the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]You have to tie a Google Voice number to another phone number, like a cell or landline. So that is still traceable, unless you are using a burner cell phone and Google Voice.

That had me chuckling too!

[QUOTE=MattieFromCinc;1889640]Adult Services: Whether using a phone book or website, it' a dead end to look for any other term. Some phone books have removed the section altogether, preferring 'Adult Entertainment' to legally cover stripping, basement / garage modeling, jumping out of cakes, and the like. 'services' on the other hand, ensures the exchange of sex for money, though it's never wise to ask the friendly voice on the other end for specifics. Trust me. That's between you and the lady who will meet every awkward inquiry.

Bargain and the haggle: Do not, under any circumstances, try to negotiate a fee upon arrival. It's even worse to do so after you've taken off your clothes. If the cost is $200, the best ladies are all-inclusive, but there are still rackets about that require additional tips. Yes, you may have to learn the hard way. If you hand over your money and she isn't naked herself within 30 seconds, I hope you brought additional cash.

Comfortable: As in, 'Maybe you should get comfortable. ' If you hear these words upon arrival, get naked. Yes, completely naked. Leaving your socks on will only cause the lady to repeat this phrase or, in extreme cases, call her dispatcher. If you're in the buff, it's unlikely you're a cop, or at least that's the assumption.

Dental Dam: If you're the crazy sort who needs to eat a much-abused pussy, failing to use a dental dam will likely send you to the hospital. Service provider pussy is for tapping, not immersing the same tongue that expects to savor a Big Mac afterwards.

Erection: If you have a raging one on the drive over, you will not exceed three minutes in the sack. If you still don't have one after she's tickling your balls, I suggest the other persuasion.

Fellatio: Any respectable prostitute will perform oral sex at the opening bell (pity if you get one of those 'massage first' chicks) , but decline immediately if she pulls out a condom. Yeah, it's safer, but you might as well be wearing a wool sock. Sure, I've gotten off to the mere sight of a chick in the nether regions, but to this date, I've never actually enjoyed a condom-oriented blow job. If she rolls it on before you can protest, move directly to sex.

Gonorrhea: You're more likely to get it from your girlfriend than a prostitute, so dive in with confidence.

Humiliation: Usually very costly and reserved for specialists, you can often convince your regular to smack you around a bit if you overpay for the half-hour session. Don't ask if it's your first time, but once you're comfortable and familiar, a sawbuck or two will likely earn a disparaging comment or perhaps an open-hand slap. Full beatings usually require a doubling of the overall price.

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In-Call: Jump in the car, baby, because you're going to her place. Or his, if that's your cup of tea. Curiously, this is the preferred method of meeting an adult sex worker, as you can remain relatively anonymous and avoid blackmail schemes such as those featured in Punch Drunk Love. Sure, there's a chance some dude is hiding in the basement, waiting for you to be naked, vulnerable, and amenable to handing over your wallet, but that's not likely to happen in your more upscale, markets or areas.

Jerking Off: Sure, she's a pro, but do not ask for a handjob from a prostitute. She's not only beneath such rote behavior, she'll likely do it half-assed just to piss you off. Still, that's not as bad as paying $265 and only being allowed to jerk yourself off. * wouldn't even remove her top! Not like I'the know or anything.

Kissing: It's pretty much conventional wisdom that prostitutes don't like to kiss because it's 'too personal, ' but that's one of the oldest myths running. They don't want to kiss because it's likely your breath approximates her pussy after an atypically busy afternoon. I slobbered all over a working girl once just to say I did, but dragon breath was the last thing my tentative erection needed for the good fight. A peck goodbye is the preferred method. Making out is for teenagers and drunks.

Love: If it existed, you wouldn't be here.

Music: I can't remember ever visiting a prostitute who didn't have music playing, though on one occasion, I fucked in a motel room while the television was on. Maury, if I'm not mistaken. Acceptable tunes include Enya, Seal, Marvin Gaye, and light jazz, though R&B will work in a pinch. Avoid heavy metal and country at all costs. AC / DC is for strip clubs.

Nasty Talk: You always think you're going to use such language (hey, she's a pro, not my girlfriend) , but it never happens. The minute you start saying, 'you want my cock, don't you * ' you feel completely stupid for assuming you could be manly. You fear women, that's why you can't find any outside the parameters of a transaction, remember? Meek and mild is best, just in case you want to see the little lady again. You are allowed to scream like a banshee during your orgasm, but leave the trash talk at home.

One-and-Done: Few things are as depressing as finding that hot little number who makes you shoot your wad inside of a minute, only to find out that 'per hour' is arguably the most misleading term on earth. Most gals are 'per load' types, which is their right, but if you manage to find a lady who lets you go as many times as you wish without additional currency, never let her go. I mean, follow her from coast to coast, if necessary. I would suggest jerking off right before seeing a prostitute to ensure a longer experience, but every time I think I can do this, I realize, post-orgasm, that I just saved a bunch of money and am too tired to go anywhere.

Prostitute: An acceptable term in some quarters, but 'escort' is pretty much the standard these days. Never, ever use 'working girl' or 'tramp' when discussing business, and if you're a real gentleman, you'll resort to 'ma'am' as needed.

Quickie: If you're going to be the sort who can't fill the allotted hour (or half-hour) , make sure you're dropping no more than $40. My personal record is $150 for five total minutes, but that's a mistake no man will make twice. Fine, three times. Find a prostitute who allows 'multiple visits' during the session, and you'll never fear the call of pre-maturity again.

Ramada Inn: The worst fucking place to ever meet a prostitute. Yeah, they often have the outside entrances you crave, but they never seem to cool down those rooms in the summer. As strange as it sounds, I've had the greatest times at Motel 6, perhaps because I don't feel so guilty about dripping my juice on the comforter. It seems almost obligatory.

**** attire: I never did like it when girls would answer the door wearing a teddy or some allegedly '****' item. Such things made me more self-conscious and mindful of the business side of the situation. No, it's best when they come to the door in every day clothing, like a sweater, blue jeans, or tight-ass shorts that reverberate camel toe. And if they look like they're just gotten home from a big meeting, complete with librarian-style hair bun? I'm hard before I hit the foyer.

Talking: Very, very important to exchange words with a prostitute after sex, though no more than 3-4 minutes. Believe me, she wants you the fuck out of there. Still, I learned many things over the years, including the fact that a provider I love see on here number one client is a married cop. My sweet, sweet little ATF in Cincy puffed up like a peacock whenever she told me about fucking a high-ranking officer in Hamilton County, or some suit from the mayor's office. And it made me go all aw-shucks with pride whenever she asked me how my Master's Thesis was going. Still unreadable, thanks.

U-turn: Once you call to arrange an appointment, don't be a dick and not show up. If you have regrets, call her and cancel. She has better things to do than shower for no reason. Though you may not.

Voluptuous: They'll tell you over the phone if they're in possession of a healthy rack, and it's best to insist on it. Sure, it's wise to withhold funds from anyone that sends BS pics but if the only way you're going to get a mouthful of funbag is to climb Mt. Fuji, so be it. Few things are as depressing as driving across town to find an emaciated chick who looks like that neighbor boy who never eats.

Washcloth: The classier dames will always offer to wipe down your penis after sex, which is more than my damn ex-wife has ever done. Then again, she had to mount me for free.

Xavier: Just isn't a believable pseudonym. I tried Enrique once, but giggled my way to a hang up. You're not faxing her a copy of your Social Security card and routing information, for crying out loud; just give her your real name.

Youth: Yeah, I've had the ladies fresh from college, or its working girl equivalent, waitressing, but your dollars are better spent with the 30-40 crowd. Not only does an older woman have the chops, she's more likely to convince you that she actually wants to be there, rather than simply being too lazy to punch a time clock. A hot 20-year-old, while good for the loins, will never pull off the head-back moan. But a MILF? I'm buying it, baby.

Zero: When you're earning $7. 25 an hour and still living at home, your bank account will never rise above this point if you insist on more than one girl per month. It's why the good Lord done made credit cards.[/QUOTE]