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Heard them hyping this report on the radio. Same lame stuff as usual--an ex-prostitute was saying *all* prostitution activity *always* involves human trafficking and children. It's a shame they are allowed to say these things unchallenged.
This guy has no clue how to monger.
[url]http://www.nationalenquirer.com/exclusive_al_gore_sex_scandal_two_new_female_accusers_assault/celebrity/69024[/url]
Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
[url]http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html[/url]
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?
[quote=twistedbrother; 1239264]interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. study that's referred to appears to have been in boston.
[url]http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html[/url]
forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
as i said on my hometown thread, while i know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. i know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but i don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. i also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. maybe not on the streets, but the amp girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. they're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
what do you think?[/quote]i agree with you.
i think that this is a typical view from those opposed to things.
i am sure that these are true stories but i do not know if it is the norm.
i have met many sex workers even in other countries and mostly i am the one being exploited for money, and happily so.
i was surprised at the statement about how easy it is to get **** women in boston. i am pretty aware of alot of venues for providers and with a few strip club exceptions most that i know of are over 18.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1239264]Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
[url]http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html[/url]
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]It's all crap. They can't go against the norm and say "Well the sex workers aren't really being abused and it is indeed a victimless crime". No one, especially not old media, would publish that. Even the media often publishes pure shit that's controversial, some things that go against main stream Christian morality never see the light of day because the backlash would be tremendous.
[quote=massenthusiast;1239503]it's all crap. they can't go against the norm and say "well the sex workers aren't really being abused and it is indeed a victimless crime". no one, especially not old media, would publish that. even the media often publishes pure shit that's controversial, some things that go against main stream christian morality never see the light of day because the backlash would be tremendous.[/quote]article was written to appeal to a target audience. quotes from all the right people. i don't agree with several points in this piece and alot of the stats they quote are way out there and probably not truthful. if this is such a big problem why isn't anyone doing anything to stop it? pimps who peddle **** girls deserve jail, but this article tries to lump everything together which i don't agree with. anyway enough of my rant.
only asking for trouble, stay away from any ads that indicate **** girls. no excuses. just my. 02
posted by matt byrne july 8, 2011 10:04 am
a 16-year-old girl was arrested june 28 in a prostitution sting at a somerville hotel, the police said yesterday.
the suspect, who was not identified because she is ****, was caught in a sting operation set up by the somerville police drug / vice unit at the la quinta inn, said deputy chief paul upton, in a phone interview.
the vice officers saw a classified advertisement for sexual conduct in an unidentified media source, contacted the girl, and set up a time to meet. the girl quoted the officer $150 for a half hour of sexual conduct or $200 for an hour, and told the officer to bring condoms, according to the report.
when the officer arrived at the hotel he met with the juvenile, went to a room, and exchanged money, at which point the girl told the officer to get undressed.
the officer gave a pre-arranged signal to other police waiting nearby, who entered the room and arrested the suspect, the report said.
"upon entry juvenile stated that she was 18 years old," the report said."she physically resisted being handcuffed and attempted to flee the hotel room."
after her arrest, the girl said she was wanted for a child in need of services warrant, usually issued to runaway children. police also notified the department of children and families.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1239264]Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
[url]http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html[/url]
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]Study done by folks who have political agenda, Flawed study design, poor sample size, leading interview questions, all interviewers had already determined results of study before stating said "Research" was completed, Other more reliable studies have been done. Links to both contradicting studies.
[url]http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/.ks/000012.html[/url]
[url]http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdfs/Farleyetal2011ComparingSexBuyers.pdf[/url]
Personally a little part-time love works fine for me.
If link does not work, check Jacksonville News and Media Reports.
[url]http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/08/15/study-men-paying-for-sex-from-prostitute-looking-for-true-love/[/url]
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5) On May 20, 2012 at 11:56 am Hamptonbeach [0] said:
Darkmarknh. I used the site shutdown as a reason to remove myself from the hobby entirely as I had moved away from the New England area quite some time ago. But. The Big Dog message boards was always a good place to see what's going on in the hobby world.
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(4) On May 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm Darkmarknh [0] said:
HamptonBeach, thanks for the info! Do you have any recommendations for a replacement site?
(3) On May 10, 2012 at 6:27 pm Hamptonbeach [0] said:
Hahaha. Avengingidiot. This is hamptonbeach. I was only a moderator and had no access to the personal contents of the message board. As I posted a few times the admins disappeared almost 2 years prior to the site shutting down. It was initially shut down for spam by godaddy because the site got hacked. It was later restored and then shut down. I emailed the domain owner and this is the reply I got.
I wrote: clreviews. Com. You are listed as the contact by godaddy. Who are you then? The admins have been gone for about 2 years but someone keeps paying the domain fees.
His reply: I'm a domain reseller. This domain was sold on a payment plan that apparently wasn't fulfilled, quite a while ago. I'm trying to contact the buyer and figure out what's going on.
I contacted him again to see if I could fulfill the contract and get access to the database, but he never replied back.
RIP CLReviews.
(2) On February 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm AvengingArchangel [0] said:
There's a rumor around that the Admin (HamptonBeach) was being investigated by LE and that he not only gave up information to escort blacklist owners, but was giving information about members and board-posters to LE to save his own skin. Some of his members also started to give up details about him to others that were looking for him.
(1) On February 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm Ridem [0] said:
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Doesn't mention where it happened.
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Doesn't mention where it happened.[/QUOTE]See link to report in Boston Herald.
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Apparently it's true as a friend was arrested. MA is apparently very hot from what I've been told. PM for details.
[QUOTE=Deb4512;1743483]Apparently it's true as a friend was arrested. MA is apparently very hot from what I've been told. PM for details.[/QUOTE]Anything you have to offer is welcome. We all need to be on our guard and any tips will help.
It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money." That is the very first sentence in the Supreme Court's unanimous judgment striking down Canada's prostitution laws. The case is "not about whether prostitution should be legal or not." It is "about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster." And the Supreme Court says that the three, long-standing Criminal Code sections governing the sex trade do not pass the test, and are unconstitutional. On two out of three, the court got it right. But we have questions about striking down the third of those provisions. So should Canadians.
[URL]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/on-prostitution-two-cheers-for-the-supreme-court/article16078755/[/URL]
[QUOTE=JimiFoxx;1961117]It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money." That is the very first sentence in the Supreme Court's unanimous judgment striking down Canada's prostitution laws. The case is "not about whether prostitution should be legal or not." It is "about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster." And the Supreme Court says that the three, long-standing Criminal Code sections governing the sex trade do not pass the test, and are unconstitutional. On two out of three, the court got it right. But we have questions about striking down the third of those provisions. So should Canadians.
[URL]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/on-prostitution-two-cheers-for-the-supreme-court/article16078755/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oh Canada... glorious and free!
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1961455]Oh Canada... glorious and free![/QUOTE]The business itself is not a crime, however it is illegal still (until the parliament has reached its year deadline to change the bill).
I have been to Canada and you are not allowed to operate in a hotel. They do have apartments that are rentable for the week. This is as of yet is the best way to operate safely ... However you do need a passport to go into Canada now.
It looks like it is time to really lay low in MetroWest.
[URL]http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL]
There are two ways to see any situation. It is either a good time to sit back and take a break. Or with business slowed down by the threat of LE there may be some great bargains to be had! LOL.
Human Trafficking.
Girls being held against their will. One girl called police.
Article in Metrowest Daily News and on Fox25.
OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBadDog69;1995277]Human Trafficking.
Girls being held against their will. One girl called police.
Article in Metrowest Daily News and on Fox25.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995299]OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE]I am not saying this is false but it sounds weird to me. The article says that they got a call from a former employee. If they are holding you against your will why would they let you go. Also If you answered an ad in a paper and you are just a normal person that thinks your just doing normal work and they don't let you leave, would'nt someone you know report you missing. If it was me I would tell a customer or walk right out the door with a customer and scream. There are so many ways to get out if no one has your family hostage somewhere or something like that. I don't know?
[QUOTE=Rito1;1995314]I am not saying this is false but it sounds weird to me. The article says that they got a call from a former employee. If they are holding you against your will why would they let you go. Also If you answered an ad in a paper and you are just a normal person that thinks your just doing normal work and they don't let you leave, would'nt someone you know report you missing. If it was me I would tell a customer or walk right out the door with a customer and scream. There are so many ways to get out if no one has your family hostage somewhere or something like that. I don't know?[/QUOTE]Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.
Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.
[QUOTE=BigBadDog69;1995329]Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995331]Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure any of us are qualified to be anywhere close to the best judges of the details of an AMP provider's circumstances, short of coming right out and asking the lady (and she could lie so as not to jeopardize her job, of course). Personally, I'd rather go to a spa where the owner seems self-employed (like Aiko and Diva's in CT) and speaks decent English, and then refrain from patronizing a place that offers a variety of non-English speaking ladies who look like they're unhappily under the thumb of the mamasan. I prefer not to leave with that skeevy feeling that the lady who just gave me the happy ending is there against her will.
[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995299]OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE]I hear ya Ben. I'd want nothing to do with a place that was associated with such activity. I sincerely hope it turns out that this is more a case of a disgruntled employee than trafficking. Time will bear that out I suppose.
FWIW, I'm wary of places with high staff turnover & those places where staff have no or little command of the English language.
Alas, how I wish this hobby were legal, taxed & regulated (like our neighbors to the north or across the pond) so consenting adults could have an outlet to earn / indulge more safely & securely.
This is Martha see. Using the law to chase down AMPs. If you recall she did this, or local LE did, with an AMP out near Worcester and eventually the charges were dropped. It hits the MPs very hard and probably scares them to think twice about setting up shop again.
Jack.
P.S. That is not to say this doesn't happen, but I don't think is anywhere near as prevalent as the media and Martha would like you to believe it happens.
[QUOTE=BigBadDog69;1995329]Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.[/QUOTE]While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get paid decently. Each situation is different. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. Of course this info is not easy to find as they don't want to say they 'overreacted' How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.
And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.
[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995299]OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE]This happened in Windsor, CT not too long ago.
If I knew the girls were being held I wouldn't go, but how can you tell.
[QUOTE=StressedOut;1995389]While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get aid decently. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.
And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.[/QUOTE]Like SO said the HT angle grabs headlines.
Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE]
although I think there are places that are not this way. maybe have to stick to non-asian?
[QUOTE=TBone1970;1995428]Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.
[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995331]Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.[/QUOTE]Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.
Obvious solution to the alleged HT problem would be to regulate, register and tax the spas. But when it comes to anything sexual, we are still living in Puritan times, or worse. Oddly, it's legal to smoke weed, which causes impairment, but not legal to give or receive a hand job for cash, which only leaves you happy and the girl with a few extra bucks. It's only legal to ask for a HJ or offer one if you take a girl to dinner and call it a date. I dunno. Sometimes you have to just throw your hands up in the air and say, "Sheeesh!" We are equally hypocritical about the female breast: All females have them. All babies have seen them. Men spend their lives chasing after them, but show them off in public? A scandal.
I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.
[QUOTE=StressedOut;1995430]Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.[/QUOTE]
First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. I visited the sister site. Many experienced Monger friends visited Oasis. It seemed like all the other places. The girls seemed free.one of the girls from this site "went back to college" and there seemed to be a turnover. Unless you have very intimate knowledge of the ownership I would doubt that one can tell the difference. But it is really easy for all of us to be fooled unless you are talking about a non-Asian place. Even then you can't be sure. To say you can tell is to be in denial of your possible participation in HT. Not saying that this is the norm but if it's true it certainly opens my eyes to how easily we can be fooled. Not sure we will ever get the details.
[QUOTE=Dh1610;1995702]I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.[/QUOTE]
This has happened in the metrowest before, not too far back. Uncle LEO and other agencies put together a case for Medford / Woburn / Wilmington et cetera and arrested two alleged conspirators of HT amongst other things. [URL]http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/05/13/medford-woman-woburn-man-arrested-human-sex-trafficking-case/opoqwFyfFQun6CucWHeTFP/story.html[/URL] Obviously most are against HT but if you went to any of those places listed in this article, obviously you are indifferent. Coakley is a politician, she got adult services off of craigslist, which didn't do anything backpage opened up. Asian massage parlors probably don't belong in a town like Natick anyways. This isn't an HT forum.