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There is an old saying that getting a blow job with a condom on is like eating a steak with a balloon on your tongue. I see the way the streetwalkers ply their trade on my latex sheathed penis and I wonder what the harm will be if I got the BJ the old fashioned way.
What is the final word on STDs and bare back blow jobs? Other than herpes, is there anything else that one catch from a bare back blow job?
I have heard that chlamydia and NGU can be easily transmitted from the throat to the penis. Is there any truth to that?
How about HIV and Hepatitis B? I hear that even a slightly bleeding gum from hard toothbrushing, or even a tiny cut inside the mouth can deliver a payload of virus.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
[QUOTE=xryder]There is an old saying that getting a blow job with a condom on is like eating a steak with a balloon on your tongue. I see the way the streetwalkers ply their trade on my latex sheathed penis and I wonder what the harm will be if I got the BJ the old fashioned way.
What is the final word on STDs and bare back blow jobs? Other than herpes, is there anything else that one catch from a bare back blow job?
I have heard that chlamydia and NGU can be easily transmitted from the throat to the penis. Is there any truth to that?
How about HIV and Hepatitis B? I hear that even a slightly bleeding gum from hard toothbrushing, or even a tiny cut inside the mouth can deliver a payload of virus.
Any thoughts or suggestions?[/QUOTE]I had the unfortunate honor of catching something from BJ, actually BBBJ. I went to Malaysia in March and had several sessions with locals and Filipinas. I covered up for the main event every time but got BBBJ's from all girls.
About 6 weeks after I got back I got this flu like symptom and got a big pimple right below my balls. At first I thought it was Herpes since I had no knowledge about STD's. I was freaking out. I was going to ruin my life I thought.
After reading million pages of articles on STD's I sort figured out what it was and went to a clinic to get checked out. It turns out I was right. It was Lymphogranuloma Venereum, which is common in tropical and subtropical countries. Obviously I don't know which one it was since I had 5 girls in 6 days.
According to one report it is very rare in the states, affects mostly gay men having anal sex. So I was one of those very unlucky heterosexual men that caught it from BJ. Talk about being a close call...I didn't have to get my significant other involved in this as we didn't have sex during that time. She would have literally killed me.
I got tested for syphllis and HIV also. Those came back negative. So be careful out there. I am going to be very careful and take care of myself. Everything covered including BJ's and thourough washing before and after. I may use listerine to rinse my mouth and dick as it apparently kills jerms according to some monger's report.
Re: BEWARE OF PLEJUR PEACH "THE SEXUAL ASSASSIN
------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: [email]pers-163326177atcraigslist.org[/email] Date: 2006-05-21, 11: 29PM PDT
NEVER ASSUME SOME DUMB HO IS NOT BAREBACKING MORE THAN ONE GUY IF SHE LETS YOU. IF YOU DO, I AM SURE THERE ARE MORE. IF YOU SEE herR PUSSY PICS YOU WOULD KNOW SHE HAD AN STD WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO SEE HER. SEE HER ADS
Losangeles. Craigslist.org/ers/162764329.html (new poc)
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TO ALL OF MY FELLOW HOBBYISTS IT IS IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO READ THIS POSTING, SO THAT YOU DON'T MAKE THE SAME LIFE CHANGING MISTAKE THAT I DID.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO EMAIL ME FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
I had seen warnings about this girl Plejur Peach (Keisha) before I had become a regular of hers. I never believe anything anyone says unless I know its factual.
Over the last 3 months, I have seen her on a weekly basis. At first, Everything we did was protected until I got to know and trust her. We went to AIM and both got tested and we were both negative. From then on we did EVERYTHING bareback. She told me that this was a rare opprutunity and that the only other person that she went bareback with was her boyfriend. I was recently scrolling through CL ads and saw a posting of hers that advertised bareback BJ's. I confronted her on that fact and she had a very convincing and detailed explanation that led me to believe that it was a hook just to get the clients there and then persuaded them to use condoms.
When I first met her the only insecurity she had was her teeth. The biggest priority was getting her teeth fixed. But, over the last couple of weeks I noticed a tremendous downfall in her hygeine and she stopped going to the dentist after having several of her teeth pulled already. Her surroudings became very unsanitary. I asked her if everything was going okay and she went on and on about supposed bad postings on CL on her.
My last visit with her was Monday, May 15th. As usual, I was greeted with a hug and DFK. It was then I noticed a foul taste and odor coming from her mouth. I overlooked it and figured it was from her smoking. She fixed me a drink and we sat down to smoke our usual party favor. I noticed after a few drinks that the foul odor in her mouth was stronger than I had thought. As she got closer to me talking and laughing, I noticed her constantly licking what looked like puss coming out of a sore in her mouth. I asked her what was wrong with her mouth and she said she had constantly been biting the inside of her lip. At the time I didn't know what it really was, but being careful I decided to refrain from getting head.
Thinking with the wrong head (drunk and high) I told her that I just wanted to do greek using a condom this time. But, again my dumb ass let her talk me into doing it without one as we usually do. BIG MISTAKE! As she pulled off her pants I noticed an odor similar to the one in her mouth. She automatically said she had just had a client and had used a spermicidal condom which gives her that odor. So, we agreed upon doing it in the shower. Of course the odor was not noticable with the smell of the soap. After I popped and pulled out, I noticed a yellowish, creamy discharge. I asked her what it was and she acted surprised and I said that you should probably get that checked out. I had planned to go right away and asked her if she wanted to go with me and she said she already had a scheduled visit the following day.
I went straight to AIM in Sherman Oaks and was tested and found out the next day that I had contracted Gonorrhoea. If things weren't bad enough I was contacted Friday morning and was told that I had also contracted Type II Genital Herpes Virus. I have since tried calling her and she sends me straight to voicemail.
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Well, I can't believe I am to the point where I have to ask the question. I have been at this for a year. I do have a family so when I started my one rule was to be completely safe. I have only received erotic massages with hand job finishes. Today I decided to mix it up. I asked the girl at the parlor to perform russian as I believed it would be completely safe from a std standpoint. In the heat of the moment, before she started to perform russian, she lightly used her tongue to stroke the base/middle of my penis and scrotum. She basically did it without asking. She then proceded to perform russian. I have read the risks and it appears to be minimal but of course I am freeking out. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions? I did read the risks website at the bottom of this forum. Please PM me if you don't feel comfortable writing.
Thank you
Rbrown987, don't panic. It's not a big deal. As it was explained to me, the only way a STD will get into your system under the circumstances you described is if you have an open sore and she licked it or she performed a BBBJ. That is assuming she was infected with a STD to begin.
You are on the right track with the safety thing. Don't let your guard down and don't let the little head think for the big one.
[QUOTE=Masterful One]Rbrown987, don't panic. It's not a big deal. As it was explained to me, the only way a STD will get into your system under the circumstances you described is if you have an open sore and she licked it or she performed a BBBJ. That is assuming she was infected with a STD to begin.
You are on the right track with the safety thing. Don't let your guard down and don't let the little head think for the big one.[/QUOTE]HPV would still be transmissable. Fortunately, 80% of sexually active adults have it. There is nothing wrong with getting a handjob with a condom.
Benchseats Rock
Check out CDC.GOV, Center for Disease Control.
Rbrown is not accepting PMs, so sending this as a post.
Howdie hon: I know your posting is "old" but simply wanted to comment that as an old-timer, the dude whom said, "uness you had an open sore. Have nothing to worry about". THIS IS TRUE.
Find it hard to believe got so worked up over licking scrotum and middle of penis w/ bare tongue. Hon, RELAX!
At least enough time has passed to where now you know, didn't catch anything.
Hugs,
Sun Huntsville, Al
per EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-
posting it under the Safe Sex topic ...
[note: originally posted in huntsville, al general reports ... direct quotes]
stats -- glad asked, I thought high too
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Am GLAD asked that! (thought about when posting; but, didn't have time to look up at the time) I thought it very high too! Read in HT sometime about late summer/early fall '06. k, just spent the past couple hours trying to look this up -- is the thing with stats, eh? why quantified stating, "if believe stats" ... who believes them?
[all paraphrased, direct quotes]
black Males 79.8% AIDS/HIV entire state of ala (all ages)
black Females 20.2% AIDS/HIV entire state of ala (all ages)
age 20 - 49 of BOTH sexes is 85% HIV/AIDS of black population of alabama
source: ADPH (ala dept of public health), sept 2006.
there were 358 new HIV in Madison in 2004 ... the aids action coalition currently serves 500 clients in madison county.
African-American and Hispanic women, who represent less than 25 percent of all U.S. women, account for more than 79 percent of AIDS cases in women. More specifically, African Americans make up nearly 60 percent of AIDS cases in women ... white women account for only 16.8 percent. HIV/AIDS ... is the leading cause of death among African-American women in 20-34 yr age group.
Sources: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention-Surveillance and Epidemiology, Special Data Request, November 2006.
[end paraphrased, direct quotes]
[and, no, numbers do not add up; seldom do in stats]
no, could NOT find stats on HIV/AIDS for black wimmen in Madison County.
THAT is why glad asked. sooooooo, according to this, you guys can still see black F ...
as stated previously ... we're responsible adults, so we use raincoats, eh? do that and then don't have to worry about stats, jacks.
["am a poet and don't show it" ... ok ok already ... is from some song, i think, excuse ...]
Have fun but be safe,
Sun
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
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[posted by:] Father Mike
Senior Member
Update: Madison County [Alabama] Statistics
I have a friend who is a doctor and asked her about the statistics for HIV cases in Madison Co. She updated me with the following current stats:
Total cases - 558
56.8% Black
41.6% White
1.6% Other
~20% of the cases are female or roughly 112 cases. 89 are black females, 19 are white females, the remaining are other.
She told me that per cap., the hispanic population carries more STD's including HPV (#1), chlamydia, syphillis, gonorrhea, and herpes.
The major STD treated in Madison Co. is herpes. It is possible to get herpes from a BBBJ but is rare. You can get chlamydia, hepatitis A, HPV (warts), shigella, and syphillis from a BBBJ. The riskiest form of sex for STD's is anal.
Think about it the next time your little head starts thinking and you don't have a condom.
Keep it SAFE,
[end quote]
Developed a redness and couples of sores on my penis a month ago. Embarrassed to go to the doctor. No itching, pain, wouldn't even know it was there unless you looked at it. Any ideas? Seems by research herpes burns, etc, and last only 2-3 weeks.
Dang, hon! You're over the age of 14, aren't cha? Go to the health department then! No, doesn't sound like herpes. Sounds like syphillis, which could NOT be cleared up except w/ antibiotics and a shot in the ass of penicillin. You've GOT to get to the doctor! Or health department, one. Does NOT require an appt. Is MORE embarrassing (& idiotic to say the least) to NOT go.
Whom else have infected in the meantime? CONTACT them!
Take responsibility. Is NO big deal, 'cept by NOT goingto get it cleared up!
I haven't had sex with anyone in 3 or 4 months, would think someone would have showed up by now.
[QUOTE=winddance1]I haven't had sex with anyone in 3 or 4 months, would think someone would have showed up by now.[/QUOTE]Herpes can hide for 6 months or longer before it pops up again. Syphilis has a sore at the point of infection that is often painless. The sore goes away but the disease continues in the body causeing brain and other organ damage, You have to get a test to know for sure.
[QUOTE=Earl Twenty]Herpes can hide for 6 months or longer before it pops up again. Syphilis has a sore at the point of infection that is often painless. The sore goes away but the disease continues in the body causeing brain and other organ damage, You have to get a test to know for sure.[/QUOTE]
Went to the Dr. thanks to the advice given. Turned out to be Psorisis, whew.
Census says there are 300,000,000 people in the united states
There are 1,400,000 people infected with hiv and aids (entire population)
1/300 men and women you encounter throughout your life is infected with HIV/AIDS
1/1648 of women you encounter are infected with HIV/AIDS
Within 33 states (i don't know why they only count 33 states)
74% are males 26% are females
65% of males with hiv are transmitted through MSM (male to male)
20% is high risk heterosexual contact (unprotected sex)
the rest is uknown
Since most of the hobbyists on the board play with women i'll give female statistics
66% of hiv infected women are african american
17% white
14% hispanic
1% asian/pacific islander
<1% american indian alaska native
1/2000 chance you'll transmit HIV through female to male high risk sexual behavior (again high risk meaning unprotected sex/unprotected sex with injecting drug user)
1/200 chance you'll transmit HIV through male to male high risk contact....i don' think I need to get into further detail of what that is..
Chances or Sex workers/escorts of having HIV is very low, women with HIV in general is very low in the United States.
HIV cannot be transmitted through oral sex, saliva kills the HIV virus thus transmitting HIV through oral sex is virtually 0%.
In order for HIV to be transmitted, the infected person(s) must have a high viral load in order to infect.
HIV transmission has to happen inside the body, which is why condoms are 99% effective
HIV has to travel all the way inside the urethra, which is why it is much harder for men to obtain HIV
Symptoms are a horrible way to determine whether you have HIV or not
(HIV symptoms are very very very similar to anxiety)
*Remember it's not about how many people you have sex with, it's all about the kind of sexual behavior you engage in, you can have sex with hundreds and hundreds of women, but as long as you're PROTECTED you will not get HIV, and infection of other STD's are very low.
-For those of you that have done any high risk sexual acts, please get tested so you do not infect others, if you have NOT done any high risk sexual acts there is no need for HIV testing, please do not send me any PM's asking ridiculous questions such as..."can i get HIV throug a handjob?" answer is no, "i got a fever b/w 3-6 weeks after having PROTECTED sex with an escort, do i have HIV?" the answer is no "i got a bbbj with an escort, can i get HIV?" answer is no.
-I am not a doctor, but i know my stuff, so to keep yourself from suffering with needless anxiety, wrap it up, play safe, then you will never have to think about any kind of STD
Sincerely,
Unknown
Remember to carefully inspect your condoms before you use them... not that it's always easy to do given the fact that it is often dark when you reach for a package and tear it open, but at least try to inspect the package before you put it into you kit, or wallet, or glove box - whatever.... you wouldn't believe how stupid some people are. And it's not even that that they mean to be sometimes... just sometimes people don't take the times to think things through all the way before acting.
Case in point, look at the picture.
It might take a minute or two....
What's wrong with this picture?
Sheesh.... some people....
Bench
[QUOTE=BSR]Remember to carefully inspect your condoms before you use them... not that it's always easy to do given the fact that it is often dark when you reach for a package and tear it open, but at least try to inspect the package before you put it into you kit, or wallet, or glove box - whatever.... you wouldn't believe how stupid some people are. And it's not even that that they mean to be sometimes... just sometimes people don't take the times to think things through all the way before acting.
Case in point, look at the picture.
It might take a minute or two....
What's wrong with this picture?
Sheesh.... some people....
Bench[/QUOTE]
Geeeesh, lol!! Staples might be a great place to buy office supplies, but it's not where I want to find my condoms!
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While I am all about warnings and safety, sometimes I think we would be much better off as a society if we went ahead and let some people edit themselves out of the genepool. Maybe others would learn from their stupidity.
[QUOTE=BSR]Remember to carefully inspect your condoms before you use them... not that it's always easy to do given the fact that it is often dark when you reach for a package and tear it open, but at least try to inspect the package before you put it into you kit, or wallet, or glove box - whatever.... you wouldn't believe how stupid some people are. And it's not even that that they mean to be sometimes... just sometimes people don't take the times to think things through all the way before acting.
Case in point, look at the picture.
It might take a minute or two....
What's wrong with this picture?
Sheesh.... some people....
Bench[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BSR]Remember to carefully inspect your condoms before you use them... not that it's always easy to do given the fact that it is often dark when you reach for a package and tear it open, but at least try to inspect the package before you put it into you kit, or wallet, or glove box - whatever.... you wouldn't believe how stupid some people are. And it's not even that that they mean to be sometimes... just sometimes people don't take the times to think things through all the way before acting.
Case in point, look at the picture.
It might take a minute or two....
What's wrong with this picture?
Sheesh.... some people....
Bench[/QUOTE]
Now that is some funny shit!
[QUOTE=BSR]Remember to carefully inspect your condoms before you use them. Not that it's always easy to do given the fact that it is often dark when you reach for a package and tear it open, but at least try to inspect the package before you put it into you kit, or wallet, or glove box. Whatever. You wouldn't believe how stupid some people are. And it's not even that that they mean to be sometimes. Just sometimes people don't take the times to think things through all the way before acting.
Case in point, look at the picture. It might take a minute or two. What's wrong with this picture?
Sheesh. Some people.
Bench[/QUOTE]The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Oral sex can cause throat cancer
* 22:00 09 May 2007
* NewScientist.com news service
* Roxanne Khamsi
People who have had more than five oral-sex partners in their lifetime are 250% more likely to have throat cancer than those who do not have oral sex, a new study suggests.
The researchers believe this is because oral sex may transmit human papillomavirus (HPV), the virus implicated in the majority of cervical cancers.
The new findings should encourage people to consistently use condoms during oral sex as this could protect against HPV, the team says. Other experts say that the results provide more reason for men to receive the new HPV vaccine.
Maura Gillison at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, US, and colleagues collected blood and saliva samples from the throats of 100 patients diagnosed with cancers of the tonsils or back of the throat. The scientists also took samples from 200 healthy people for comparison.
By combining the blood and saliva samples with antibody molecules, Gillison's team could tell whether a person had ever had an HPV infection.
Cancer traps
All of the study participants provided information about their sexual history, including the number of people with whom they had engaged in oral sex.
After controlling for other risk factors for throat cancer, such as drinking and smoking, the analysis revealed that people who had prior infection with HPV were 32 times as likely to have this cancer as those with no evidence of ever having the virus. And those who tested positive for a particularly aggressive strain of the virus, called HPV-16, were 58 times more likely to have throat cancer.
By comparison, either smoking or drinking increases the risk of such cancer by about threefold.
The throat cancers analysed in the new study mostly started in the "crypts" of the throat – the grooves at the base of the tonsils. This might be because the tonsil grooves trap infectious particles, suggests Mark Stoler of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, US, who was not involved in the study.
High risk levels
The study also revealed a link between oral sex and throat cancer caused by HPV. People who had one to five oral-sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity - and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk.
There was an even stronger link between oral sex and throat cancers clearly caused by HPV-16 (those tumours that tested positive for the strain). People with more than five oral sex partners had a 750% increased risk of these HPV-16-caused cancers.
"This study is important because it is putting all of the pieces together," says Gillison. "We need to add oral HPV infection to the list of risks for oral cancer," she adds.
Virus vaccine
A vaccine against several of the most aggressive strains of HPV linked to cervical cancer received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration in 2006. However the plan to vaccinate adolescent girls with this vaccine developed by Merck, called Gardasil, has received some criticism.
There have been no studies investigating whether the vaccine can also protect against throat cancer, but the new evidence linking HPV to throat cancer could lead to broader vaccination with Gardasil. "We will see a push for vaccination in men," says Stoler, who has been involved in the development of the vaccine.
Tonsil and throat cancers affect about two in every 100,000 adults in the US. The new results could promote the development of spit tests for HPV infection to help identify people at high risk for these cancers, researchers say.
Journal reference: New England Journal of Medicine (vol 356, p 1944)
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Hey Folks,
There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there. I am trying to separate the real risks from the feminazi male-hating risks. So, has anyone out there had any PERSONAL experience catching an STD whilest practicing safe sex? Not, "well, my second cousin's brother's roomate once.", but have YOU caught a STD despite using proper precautions during sexual activity?
Is it considered high risk sex if while you are engaging in FS with a SW, that the condom breaks and you don't find out until you pull out after getting off?
Chris H
[QUOTE=Chris H]Is it considered high risk sex if while you are engaging in FS with a SW, that the condom breaks and you don't find out until you pull out after getting off?
Chris H[/QUOTE]
That would be a good assumption. Ive only had that happen to me once and the girl I was with only dated select few (i.e. shuggadaddies)and actually had a good head on her shoulders. I was confident she was clean but I still got tested and luckily came away scot-free........
Be safe!
I recently engaged in a risky act with a provider and I want to get tested. Of course, I have to wait a couple of weeks for the tests to be effective. The problem is that I do not want to have sex w/ my SO in the interim, as obviously I do not want to expose her before I know that I'm clean.
I am sure that many other forum users have been in a similar situation. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas for "excuses" that I can use for not having sex over this period? The SO knows that I am a sex-hound, and if I avoid sex over two weeks (without a good excuse) she will certainly become suspicious.
Thanks in advance!
CHICAGO (AFP) - In a breakthrough that could potentially lead to a cure for HIV infection, scientists have discovered a way to remove the virus from infected cells, a study released Thursday said.
The scientists engineered an enzyme which attacks the DNA of the HIV virus and cuts it out of the infected cell, according to the study published in Science magazine.
The enzyme is still far from being ready to use as a treatment, the authors warned, but it offers a glimmer of hope for the more than 40 million people infected worldwide.
"A customized enzyme that effectively excises integrated HIV-1 from infected cells in vitro might one day help to eradicate (the) virus from AIDS patients," Alan Engelman, of Harvard University's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, wrote in an article accompanying the study.
Current treatments focus on suppressing the HIV virus in order to delay the onset of AIDS and dramatically extend the life of infected patients.
What makes HIV so deadly, however, is its ability to insert itself into the body's cells and force those cells to produce new infection.
"Consequently the virus becomes inextricably linked to the host, making it virtually impossible to 'cure' AIDS patients of their HIV-1 infection," Engelman explained.
That could change if the enzyme developed by a group of German scientists can be made safe to use on people.
That enzyme was able to eliminate the HIV virus from infected human cells in about three months in the laboratory.
The researchers engineered an enzyme called Tre which removes the virus from the genome of infected cells by recognizing and then recombining the structure of the virus's DNA.
This ability to recognize HIV's DNA might one day help overcome one of the biggest obstacles to finding a cure: the ability of the HIV virus to avoid detection by reverting to a resting state within infected cells which then cease to produce the virus for months or even years.
"Numerous attempts have been made to activate these cells, with the hope that such strategies would sensitize the accompanying viruses to antiviral drugs, leading to virus eradication," Engelman wrote. "Advances with such approaches in patients have been slow to materialize."
New experiments must be designed to see if the Tre enzyme can be used to recognize these dormant infected cells, he wrote.
"Although favorable results would represent perhaps only a baby step toward eventual use in patients, the discovery of the Tre recombinase proves that enzymatic removal of integrated HIV-1 from human chromosomes is a current-day reality," he said.
The researchers who developed the enzyme were optimistic about their ability to design additional enzymes which would target other parts of the virus's DNA.
However they warned that there were significant barriers to overcome before the enzyme could be used to help cure patients.
"The most important, and likely most difficult, among these is that the enzyme would need efficient and safe means of delivery and would have to be able to function without adverse side effects," wrote lead author Indrani Sarkar of the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Cell Biology and Genetics in Dresden.
"Nevertheless the results we present offer an early proof of principal for this type of approach, which we speculate might form a useful basis for the development of future HIV therapies," Sarkar concluded.
[QUOTE=TeenieWeenie]Hey Folks,
There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there. I am trying to separate the real risks from the feminazi male-hating risks. So, has anyone out there had any PERSONAL experience catching an STD whilest practicing safe sex? Not, "well, my second cousin's brother's roomate once.", but have YOU caught a STD despite using proper precautions during sexual activity?[/QUOTE]
In my 25 year "career" it happened to me twice (bacterial STD, easily cured fortunately), but not in the last 12 years because I am much more careful about WHO I date. One of those two times was vaginal, and the other one (incredibly) was oral sex. In both cases I wore condoms properly, I claim, but I took it off within a minute of ejaculation. I suppose one could wash with alcohol and/or wait a bit more time before removing the condom, but it's tricky to fight off a swarm of microbes on the outside of a condom, if they are there. The oral episode was a car date with a woman of poor hygiene. I imagine she just finished a BBBJ with an infected guy and the contaminated saliva splashed around as I took off the condom. Yuck !
I think it matters a lot who you date. You can never be 100% sure, but if you are reasonably sure that your partner is one who consistently and correctly uses condoms, you are fairly safe. E.g. in Germany the legal prostitutes are required to use condoms, are well-trained, and get regular health checkups. In the pathetic underworld prostitution of the USA, you have to rely on the girl caring about herself. Best to avoid street prostitutes or girls who are obvious drug addicts.
Risk of female to male HIV transmission is reduced 60% by circumcision.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070724/ap_on_he_me/aids_conference;_ylt=AusA9JLoBxuFj_ESHNFpitC9j7AB[/url]
That report is misleading.
In UNcircumcized men, 2.5X more likely to contract HIV from infected F.
(way it's worded at present implies circumcision in females ...)
Cover it and it would be 100 percent!
Sheesh
Washing After Sex May Raise H.I.V. Risk
(from FoxNews)
By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN
Published: August 21, 2007
A study in Uganda has come up with a surprising finding about sex and H.I.V. Washing the penis minutes after sex increased the risk of acquiring H.I.V. in uncircumcised men.
The sooner the washing, the greater the risk of becoming infected, the study found. Delaying washing for at least 10 minutes after sex significantly lowered the risk of H.I.V. infection, Dr. Fredrick E. Makumbi reported on July 25 at an International AIDS Society Conference in Sydney, Australia.
The researchers do not have a precise explanation for the findings, which challenge common wisdom and the teaching of many infectious disease experts who urge penile cleansing as part of good genital hygiene. Health experts have suggested that washing the penis after sex could prevent potentially infectious vaginal secretions from entering the body through the uncircumcised penis.
Washing the penis after sex is common in Africa. To determine whether washing could be recommended as an alternative to male circumcision, Dr. Makumbi’s team from the Makerere University Institute of Public Health studied 2,552 uncircumcised men in the Rakai district of Uganda.
The men, ages 15 to 49, were uncircumcised and not H.I.V. infected when they enrolled. Eighty-three percent said they washed with all sex partners.
The researchers asked about when and how the men washed after intercourse at enrollment and 6, 12 and 24 months later, including whether they washed with or without cloths.
Because of a slip-up, the researchers did not ask details of how the cleansing was done or directly about using soap, said Dr. Ronald H. Gray, a co-author from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Some soaps used in Africa are more irritating than those used elsewhere.
Men who washed within three minutes had a 2.3 percent risk of H.I.V. infection compared with 0.4 percent among those who delayed washing for 10 or more minutes. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases paid for the study.
The washing analysis was a secondary part of a study undertaken to determine the effectiveness of male circumcision against H.I.V. infection. Earlier reports had shown that circumcision was protective.
One message from the study, Dr. Gray said, “is that there ought to be a little time left for postcoital cuddling before you go and wash.”
“Don’t just finish and jump out of bed,” he said.
Dr. Makumbi and other AIDS experts said they did not know why the washing practice increased vulnerability to H.I.V. infection, but offered various explanations. One is that the acidity of vaginal secretions may impair the ability of the AIDS virus to survive on the penis. Delayed cleansing — and longer exposure to the vaginal secretions — may then reduce viral infectivity.
Another is that use of water, which has a neutral pH, may encourage viral survival and possible infectivity.
H.I.V. apparently needs to be in a fluid to cross the mucosa to infect cells, Dr. Gray said. If the H.I.V.-contaminated fluid dries, its infectivity may decrease. Adding water could resuspend H.I.V. to make it more infectious.
The study findings are counterintuitive, said Dr. Merle A. Sande, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Washington in Seattle, and “show why you have to do the studies, because until you do them, you just don’t know.”
Dr. Sande, who was not involved in the study, said, “There is still so much we don’t understand about the complex factors that influence H.I.V. transmission in the genital tract, but this important study will help.”
He also is president of the Academic Alliance Foundation, a group that trains health workers to treat AIDS and other infectious diseases in Uganda.
Just wanted clarification that protected oral sex is pretty safe?
[QUOTE=Hank Reardon]Just wanted clarification that protected oral sex is pretty safe?[/QUOTE]
I have been getting BBBJ from an escort who swears she is clean. I can't tell just by looking and I've been under the assumption that unless the provider has visible sores, the chances of contracting anything are very slim. Everything else we do is covered. Am I playing russian roulette here or does anyone have any concrete information to shed some light on this. Guys are always posting on here about getting BBBJ from SW's and never any mention of getting an STD. My biggest concern would be to contract Herpes, since there is no cure. Anyone have any feedback on this, or on where I would find authentic information on this subject? Thanks guys.
BBBJ is not safe. When I went to Asia last year, I got BBBJ from several working girls. They all looked clean and I wore protection for the main course.
But I got LGV and had to be on antibiotics for 21 days. So I am very sure it was from BBBJ.
I was scared as hell thinking it was herpes. Luckily it wasn't. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=SteveLee333]BBBJ is not safe. When I went to Asia last year, I got BBBJ from several working girls. They all looked clean and I wore protection for the main course.
But I got LGV and had to be on antibiotics for 21 days. So I am very sure it was from BBBJ.
I was scared as hell thinking it was herpes. Luckily it wasn't. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Can you please tell me what bbbj is?
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[QUOTE=Todd 1234]Can you please tell me what bbbj is?[/QUOTE]BBBJ = Bare Back Blow Job.
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[QUOTE=Hank Reardon]Just wanted clarification that protected oral sex is pretty safe?[/QUOTE]
I go covered all the time, but something I've always wondered about was the spit from providers. Some of them "slobber" so much that it runs down your balls and into your ass-crack. What are the chances of catching something from their drool?
From what I have read; infections can not be transmitted from saliva that is the HIV virus. It has to be contact with infected blood or bodily fluids. I take that to mean secretions that oozing stuff. Not saliva.
Here is some info pertaining to some of the risks of performing unprotected oral sex.
The risks go up the more sex partners you have, or the more sex partners your partners have had. Risks are higher if there are any sores, cuts, or abrasions in the mouth.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/sexual_health/sti/oralsex.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70495.php[/url]
[url]http://www.stanford.edu*******SHPRC/ch4_ora.html[/url]
Play safe and stay healthy.