Ripoff Reports

Clip-joint: noun (slang) 1. a bar or restaurant charging outrageously high prices while failing to deliver promised services; 2. an establishment to which a Las Vegas taxi driver wishes to take you for the purpose of having a good time.

Clip-joints thrive in the shadow of the resort corridor known as The Strip. This is a thread for outing them and all the other cheesy devices for separating men from their assets that made this town what it is. One of the most infamous is the "Can Can Room" but there are so many that it is hard to keep up with them, and what so many have in common is that they rely on a unique species of local reptile known as a Vegas taxi driver to procure most of their business [PsyberZombie, I believe that would be your cue to enter from stage left] because, to put it politely, they don't rely on repeat business. There are tens of thousands of fresh pigeons flying in every day, and as long as the drivers are in their pocket they can empty your wallet and toss you out with yesterdays trash if you do not protect yourself and your property from them.

This place is so notorious that it deserves to be mentioned yet again. There must be dozens of accounts in the archives from guys who got clipped here, but this is the most recent I found.

By Sleeping Bag on 03-29-05, General Reports post #94:

About week ago, I was driving and stopped by the cancan on industrial. at door, I was told vip was $250. I walked out and security got me vip for $100. definite con system at work here. anyways, walked in, and the vip actess, Reno, sat next to me. nice girl. I had to pay full $250 to get her in vip. And in addition, need to pay $300-$400 for fs. the other "club girls" I can get at the $100 that I paid. so, a black club girl sat next to me and worked me to hurry to get her into the vip. I was told at door that I have until closing time to go to vip and pick any girl I want. This girl told me that I needed to hurry with her into vip, and then tells me a long story about how the other club girls must charge other vip customers additional $50 until she gets my vip treatment. What a bull.

By noneathome on 02-05-05, General Reports post #259:

"On the way out a Cab driver convinced us to go to "SENSATIONS" a massage parlor where you get F/S for $40. I knew something wasn't right but I didnt want my friend to know about my expereince with Massage Parlor pricing and extras so I played dumb and figured it wouldn;t hurt to check it out. Cabby offered to STOP the meter while we go in and see the girls. He went in too and it was clear the girls knew him. My first thought was KICK BACK. Thanks to this board I KNEW there was no F/S in LV that easy to find so I was sceptical and had a bad vibe. My friend wanted to stay so he did and I left. The girl told him $40 for the house then min $100 in the back for extras. He calls me an hour later pissed. After the $40 at the door, the girl in the back ask's for $40 to get things going. She rubs hs ears then says $100 more for more "undefined" fun. Then wants $300 to start the party, etc. He was smart enough to get the hell out. Ironically 2 huge "Brothers" came in that appeared to work there and 1 confronted my friend. Their job is clearly to "intimidate" so you don't push to get your cash back. He left paying $80 for NOTHING and scared he was going to get his ass kicked."

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By Peter Dong on 06-02-05, General Reports post #241:

"I went to Vegas and a cab driver took me to Sensations.

I got ripped off of 350$ and had to leave as I was disgusted at their attitude."

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By Roadkill at Work on 01-08-05, General Reports post #11:

"To all that visit vegas,

Please never go to Censatons. All that will happen is that you will loose out on $500 big ones, for nothing more than a hand rub, and I can rub my hands much better than those bitches. Pass this info on and make sure the taxi drivers don't sucker you."

I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.

By Vanderley on 10-01-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1547:

It's pretty safe to assume that all the smaller clubs on Industrial are ripoff joints. There are the obvious legit clubs like CH2, Sapphires, DejaVu or even Wild J's which was pretty good once upon a time. Avoid all the others at all costs -- especially CAN CAN ROOM and HOT BODIES, or any other "unmarked storefronts".

I suggested to Jackson the possibility of creating a thread specifically for RipOff Joints in Las Vegas to make first time visitors aware of potential hazards. A thread such as this could certainly arouse some biased attacks on certain legit clubs, but I think the majority of the posters will be able to control the bullsh_t from truth. Jackson, please give it some thought -- we need it. These guys have been in business long enough.

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By Vanderley on 08-23-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1413:

Sorry to hear about your experience at HOT BODIES. It's actually quite well-known about the place being a big-time clip joint. The cabbies get paid x amount of dollars for every clueless tourist flying into Vegas they drop off at the club. Word of caution: Do your own research and never, ever, trust a cabbie. Well, you already know that.

Avoid CAN CAN ROOM at all costs as well. They run the same kind of scam, but in a more 'strip club' style environment. Private dances with hinting of 'extras'. I don't know if it's the same owners, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

These f_cked up clubs all stay in business because, first, like you said, they aren't breaking the law. And second, there are millions of tourists each MONTH coming to Vegas for the first time in their lives. Screw one tourist, then screw another, and another, and another. They'll never get repeat business from the same customer twice, but so what? That doesn't matter to them cause there's more fish flowing into their pond each and every day.

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By Tucson Chief on 08-22-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1411:

Got scammed hard in vegas at hot bodies spa 3131 south industrial next to can-cans

Went by a place near can-cans on industrial, was very trashed and paid 40 to get inside. Shoulda realized then that something was up. But was drunk and horny so you know how that is. Inside the guy says the fee is 600 for an hour and no prostitution is involved, and the hottie next to me rubs her leg up on mine while he's saying it. I took it as a hint that he wasn't truthful or at least correct. So my dumbass says ok and pays 600 and on top of it she demands I give the guy 60 for a tip. so 700 so far. I see another guy hitting up the atm so I figure hes having a good time with his chick. go to a back room and I get rubbed down for 20 minutes in the same spots. I know this isn't going anywhere and am starting to get pissed. after 35 min I flat out ask if anything more is going to happen and she keeps going on and on about relaxation. I try to walk out and she convinces me to do the last 10 and I'm thinkin just maybe something will happen. NOTHING. not even close. out 700 bucks. I coulda blown that 1000 better ways in that town. So advice is dont go to that place and spread the word that they are a scam.

Followed by post #1412, same poster, same date:

This is exactly what happened, I ran a search for the place. Except the bouncer didn't interfere, he let the girl massage my back for the full hour. whoo hooo. Man did I feel stupid after. What a scam.

"A revealing memo appears this week on the cabbie website. The writer, identified as "FN Cabbie" gives us this insight into what the cab driving profession has degraded into: "How many drivers actually drop off at Hot Bodies, knowing that it's a 'clip joint?' For those that don't know, the term clip joint stems from the fact that they basically take the customers money and 'toss' them out the back door. For instance, customer Bob goes into Hot Bodies. Bob wants to see a girl, so he pays about $140 to go into a room with a 'clothed' woman to do some 'exercises.' Mind you, it's a 'health' club. Now, Bob is enticed by the girl (Editor's note: “hyenas” would be a more appropriate description of these females) to go 'further' in their work out session. She tells Bob its going to be X amount of dollars to go 'all the way' with her. Bob agrees, gives the girl his credit card. While Bob waits in his room, the girl swipes his card for the agreed price. She comes back to the room to get Bob to sign for it, just so they can make sure they get 'their' money. The girl then leaves and she says she's going to slip into something more comfortable. Shortly after the girl has left, 'Big Bouncer' enters Bob's room and tells him that his time is up. Bob is naturally upset because he paid for something he didn't get. Big Bouncer replies, 'Sir, don't you know prostitution is illegal in Clark County.' Then out the door Bob goes. What's Bob to do? Does he tell the Better Business Bureau? Does he call the cops? What can the cops do? Bob knows it's illegal to pay for sex in Clark County. If he tells the cop that he tried paying for sex and got swindled, the cop will just laugh in his face. How does Hot Bodies stay in business you might ask? Well, technically they aren't breaking the law. They aren't selling sex, and there is no way to prove that Bob didn't get exactly what he paid for, a nice weightlifting session with a woman fully clothed for, $800. She must be some trainer!" "

By A Fool on 09-29-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1536:

A quick warning on the private club named "Indulge" (it is an unmarked storefront) on Industrial Rd. in Vegas (right across from the Budget Suites and between the Can-Can Room and Saphires). It is a pure rip-off joint. You get NOTHING, unless you think just sitting next to a gril on the couch is worth $50. A Taxi driver took us there swearing you got FS. You don't even see and skin. I see that was a warning on this forum in March of 2003, but I would never have seen it except I searched for the name "indulge" -- I would not have read 18 months work of posts. Can't believe they are still in business ripping people off.

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By caldreamer100 on 03-07-03, 2000-2004 General Reports post #404:

Don't ever go to the "private clubs" on commercial or industrial drive by the go go bars. I went to "Indulge" and they wanted $50 to walk in and $200 to spend some relaxing time with a girl. I talked them down to $100 for 30 minutes and was told I would have a VERY RELAXING TIME. After about 5 minutes of one handed lame massage, I turned over and said what's the deal. She told me this was it and I would have to hand over a few hundred more if I wanted to go to a more private room for a more relaxing time. I told the guy at the door if $100 won't get me what I'm looking for just tell me and I'll be on my way. Instead he convinces me to drop $100 on top of the $50 entrance to get a lame massage. I told the girl she was full of shit and walked out. The owner just smiled and said have a nice night. I guess he's used to ripping people off.

Mr Blaze on 01-27-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #928:

There is another clip joint called The Oasis near, UNLV. Be Careful, not to get ripped off! Cabbies love to bring you there and get their cut of the action.

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By initialD on 06-30-03, 2000-2004 General Reports post #550:

Oasis used to be R&R, its in the middle of a row of shops very near to the Intramural Fields of UNLV or AmeriSuites. A cabbie also recommended it to me while it was still R&R, but I never went, suspect it to be a clip joint. He described it to be like a swingers club, except they had working girls.

[QUOTE=Wastrel]I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.[/QUOTE]
I think the general word is "cautionary".

I know the feeling that I've gotten from most accounts is that it should be avoided by the average monger. Guess it's all defined by what "we" are looking for. Hell - some people go to the Can-Can because it's the Can-Can and feel the prices are a badge of honor. Or at least they did before the fire years ago. It might be different now but I doubt it.

I do know that this guy's (Green Door) other club in Commercial Center that keeps sneaking in as a "Rooster" property is not associated or affiliated in any way with the real Red Rooster - that swing house that's been in town since '82. The real Rooster even has a disclaimer on their site explaining how this guy keeps using the name in different forms.

That, to me, is a big red flag.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=362864&postcount=260[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wastrel]I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.[/QUOTE]The Green Door is a legitimate swing club. I've gone several times, and there's plenty of real sex going on there. Its pretty much a lifestyle thing, though, and if you're a single man, you very may well see a lot of sex but not get anything. Generally, its a lot of couples doing partner-swapping. If you're not bringing a girl to add to the party, its probably not worth the money.

[QUOTE=Vegas Partier]The Green Door is a legitimate swing club. I've gone several times, and there's plenty of real sex going on there. Its pretty much a lifestyle thing, though, and if you're a single man, you very may well see a lot of sex but not get anything. Generally, its a lot of couples doing partner-swapping. If you're not bringing a girl to add to the party, its probably not worth the money.[/QUOTE]

Went there 2 years ago alone. Got a beautiful girls (about a 9) for FS for 3 bills. They do accommodate singles.

[QUOTE=Wastrel]By A Fool on 09-29-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1536: I told the girl she was full of shit and walked out. The owner just smiled and said have a nice night. I guess he's used to ripping people off.[/QUOTE] In the end crazy mongers don't go for this game and wait for them to close then vandalize the shit out of the place, they pump Krazy Glue into all there locks, bust windows and spray paint derogatory comments onto the walls, they stuff toilets full of paper and other materials stuffing them up so bad they need a plummer, I have even heard of guys finding the electrical, phone, and gas panels and shutting them off as well as the water. In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.

I have been to The Green Door as both a single as well as a couple. The Green Door is definitely a swingers club and not p4p. Just like any other club, you will not have success unless you are talking & mingling. I have always done well there and always make it a point to go when I am in town. The crowds are always better when a large convention is in town. The best nights are Friday & Saturday.

Click [url=www.greendoorlv.com]here[/url] for their website.

I haven't posted here in forever. Guess 'cause I'm a selfish bastard. But in the interest of doing whatever I can to screw over those who would screw over the average gullible joe.

AVOID THE GREEN DOOR!

A nice experience there? I would suspect anyone giving that place good reviews to be an employee of the place.

Well, wait, I will say if you are a (happy) couple from out of town or a horny female, it might have some benefits. How many here are that? Mongers? Fuggid about it...it's ALL about scamming you for as much as they can get with the promise of the illegal activities that go on there. Is is possible to get laid there? Yes. Without paying through the nose or taking the risk that management is lying to you or the hookers/dancers that work there are lying to you? No. Place sucks...there are better options for guys into this game.

WebCams does not suffer being ripped off in Clip Joints lightly =

[QUOTE=Webcams]In the end crazy mongers don't go for this game and wait for them to close then vandalize the shit out of the place, they pump Krazy Glue into all there locks, bust windows and spray paint derogatory comments onto the walls, they stuff toilets full of paper and other materials stuffing them up so bad they need a plummer, I have even heard of guys finding the electrical, phone, and gas panels and shutting them off as well as the water. In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Why not just Torch the place and be done with it ??

Any·wayz , I would strongly advise that you NOT let a cab driver recommend a Las Vegas Club to ya , W•C

[ Read Post # 9 below to see why ]

[QUOTE=Webcams]In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.[/QUOTE]Well, they think they ARE the "wrong" guys. Most of these joints are rumored to be, ah, how shall I say it, "well connected," as in having investors and informal partners of a certain southern Italian (Sicilian) heritage, who used to be connected to some of the most, ah, colorful casinos in the old days, and who still have cordial relationships with local political officials and union honchos, or so it is said. Rumors like that tend to be true more often than not in Las Vegas.

But you didn't hear it from me, nope, not at all, I don't know nuthin bout nuthin, cuase I'm deaf and blind as a bat, and I wasn't even there in the place where I didn't see nothin happenin' and couldn't hear the thing that didn't happen in the place where I wasn't, and all due respect from me to the gentlemen back east and all their friends and all my best to all their wonderful children at Bishop Gorman Academy...

I share your outrage at ripoffs, but I'd be careful about showing up at a beef with these guys armed with glue and toilet paper. They never close.

Brief excerpts from the August 6 edition of Las Vegas City Life:

Big Bang Theory

Reluctant wives, horny accountants and leather slaves: A Green Door memoir

BY SKYLAIRE ALFVEGREN

"Are you in the lifestyle?" he asked.

It was dark, too dark to make out anything past the outline of a sweaty, hulking, recently waxed chest. I gingerly positioned my pint of Jim Beam behind a six pack of O'Douls under the bar and looked up at "The Accountant." An accountant naked but for the threadbare white towel slung around his hips. The first time I met "The Accountant" while slinging Cokes in the back bar of the Green Door, the house lights were so low you could've skinned a cat and no one would've noticed. But it's always like that: The place is dark because people are more apt to get naked when the lights are out. I conversed with "The Accountant" for a half-hour before my eyes adjusted and I realized he'd been masturbating the whole time.

Three months earlier, "lifestyle" was a word I associated with marketing companies, a repulsive buzzword found in sentences alongside "'tweener" "extreme" and "vertical branding."

But from January to March, I ran the café attached to the Green Door, the self-proclaimed "best kept secret" in Las Vegas. For me, the term "lifestyle" took on a whole new meaning. (Employees were told to refer to it as a "lifestyle" club rather than a swinger's club, "lifestyle" being a discreet and apparently more sophisticated way of saying you swing.)

<SNIP>

Owned and operated by a journeyman plumber, the Green Door is one of many so-called adult social clubs in the Vegas Valley, most of which are crowded together on a grimy strip mall in the Commercial Center off Sahara Avenue, sharing a sidewalk with the Gay and Lesbian center, a pool hall, a handful of ethnic restaurants and the city's best tranny bar.

It's the most popular club of its kind in Las Vegas. Once owned by Las Vegas sex king Terry Gordon, The Green Door is no longer a "clip joint," where girls are hired to lure patrons in with the promise of nookie, only to disappear after the rube had paid his admission.

Joseph Cavaretta has owned The Green Door since 1998, running a relatively tight and, by all accounts, legal establishment. The dozen or so permits Cavaretta pays for to keep the place open are posted at the club's entrance, alongside signs prohibiting alcohol and prostitution. Patrons are sometimes searched if they're suspected of smuggling in booze or illicit substances.

The Green Door has its competition: the Red Rooster, a private residence off Tropicana Avenue that hosts barely-private parties, and features weekend orgies which draw hundreds of people. Guests get access by "renting" a locker at the adjacent storage facility, and can bring their own liquor. Plush, an upscale floating Lifestyle party -- or "glittering hedonistic pleasure dome," as the married couple who hosts it likes to refer to it -- ran a night at the House of Blues before taking up a Saturday night residence at Sapphire's Gentleman's Club.

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Complete article, with a few interior photos of "The Dungeon" and the "Adult Playground Room" available on-line at:
[url]http://www.lvcitylife.com/articles/2005/08/06/cover_story/cover.txt[/url]

Great post Wastrel. That explains why some have good things and others have bad things to say. Myself, my negatives, so it seems, are from another era.

Of course, most people want a news story when they're trying to overcome an image and build a client-base. Whether or not the story is to regenerate business or to actually inform the community that the winds of change have blown thru I don't know and won't know.

Hell, I'm still wondering when the old trade school on the corner went bye-bye.

Sifting the varying opinions and experiences, I'm still not sure what my own opinion of the Green Door should be, but I can think of one way to decide for sure: ask a Vegas cab driver if it's a good place to go. If he says it sucks, then it's probably on the level; if he says it's a good place and is willing to take you there without argument, then it's probably a scam.

[QUOTE=Wastrel]
Complete article, with a few interior photos of "The Dungeon" and the "Adult Playground Room" available on-line at:
[url]http://www.lvcitylife.com/articles/2005/08/06/cover_story/cover.txt[/url][/QUOTE]

Great article , Wastrel , although I dis·agree with one thing the author states :

[quote][i] " When working the "cage," employees are told to ask for a driver's license for two reasons. Number one, prostitutes are unlikely to carry identification, and even though the place doesn't serve alcohol, minors aren't allowed, although no Traci Lords wannabes ever came in on my watch. " [/quote][/i]

In fact , most SWs and other Hookers DO carry I.D. , for one very good reason =

If they're ever stopped by LE for [u]any[/u] reason , and can't produce a legit photo I.D. , they're guaranteed to be 'detained' so that a run of their prints can be done through the NCIC data·base , down at HQ

With an I.D. , there's a good chance that a random encounter with LE will end with them walking away ; but with·out it , the rest of their 'shift' is ruined , at best

So these girls almost always carry it ; they just usually refuse to show it to us Mongers

AN old casino security trick, when they thought they had a worker that they wanted to get rid of, was to ask them for ID. 99% of them would/could not produce and would be asked to leave because of it. The theory behind it was that they didn't have any. It usually worked.

Casino ID checks are falsely assumed to be for age checks. You need a governmental agency produced picture ID to remain in a casino regardless of age.

Most "random encounters" with LE will result in the ID being run.

I work in a casino so I can vouch for the I.D. check bit to get rid of suspected working girls. We have a saying "there are two types of people in a casino that don't have I.D.: Minors and hookers."

"Clip-joint, noun (slang) 1. a bar or restaurant charging outrageously high prices while failing to deliver promised services."

I looked into the place myself, and I found that the Green Door meets only the first half of that definition. The price to get in (at least forty bucks) was higher than I'd want to pay, but on my tour of the joint nobody promised or implied or hinted at selling me any other special services, so in my opinion it would be unfair to label it a clip joint, since what you see is just what you get, like it or leave it alone.

"Clip-joint, noun (slang) 2. an establishment to which a Las Vegas taxi driver wishes to take you for the purpose of having a good time (in USASG)."

And I didn't see a single cabbie coming, going, or waiting. A good sign. So I'll put the rest of the account of my Green tour over on the "General Reports" thread.

Okay guys. I thought we learned our lesson from previous posts. Do not ever go into sensations. 100% pure clip joint. The place is a rip off. And I can't wait for someone to get pissed and burn the place down or something to that extent. Luckyily I'm a big guy and don't put up with bullshit and the stupid people at the door means nothing to me. And I got my damn $140 back. Don't ever go to Sensations, Can Can Room, Green Door, and any other small joints. All Rip Offs.

Stick to strip joints and the casino girls, and please stay away from agencies as well. Go to craigs list find a independt provider. It's not that difficult these days guys.

Late

And happy hunting.

I thik the post immediately below confuses some very different things, mixing up places that are not at all similar, notorious clip joints well documented below with a Commercial Center place that is quite a bit different, whether you like it or hate it. But no harm; anyone reading through the whole thread starting at Post #1 should have little trouble figuring it out. I just wanted to "bump up" this thread so our precious visitors would have a better opportunity to see it. BEFORE a Vegas cab or limo driver gets ahold of them, I would hope.

[SIZE=4]TIP TROUBLE: Do clubs get taken for ride?
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[B]Owners say cabbies force them to pay for patrons [/B]

[I]While strippers inside Las Vegas Valley clubs collect G-strings full of dollar bills from customers, club owners say they're being fleeced by the cabbies who deliver those patrons.

Club owners have lodged several complaints with Clark County, saying they are forced to pay cabdrivers outrageous amounts of cash to bring patrons to their doorsteps.

The payout? Seventy dollars per head, according to some club operators.

If owners don't pay up, taxi drivers stage a boycott of their business by diverting customers to the clubs that do tip, the owners say.

The operator of one of the valley's strip clubs said she paid cabbies $1.4 million in tips during the month of September alone. Two club owners interviewed for this story declined to be named, fearing retaliation from the cab industry.[/I]

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[I]The strip club owners said that when passengers ask to be taken to a particular establishment, the driver will sometimes tell them that place burned down or that it's filthy.

"These are not isolated incidents," said the club owner. "This goes on all the time, every day and every night."[/I]

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[url]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Oct-29-Sat-2005/news/4058257.html[/url]

Note: The clubs complaining are the one's you DO want to find. Clip joints love this system; they created it, and it's their lifeblood, since repeat customers are not part of their business plan.

Very interesting article. This is quite common knowledge in the strip club 'circuit', but I had no idea that the club owners were actually complaining about the issue. As addressed in the article however, the cabbies do not necessarily take patrons to clip joints for the payoffs nowadays, which is good, but it may as well be heading in that direction anyway.

This is the entire reason the OG went to shit in recent years. The OG used to be the absolute best club to go to for the hottest girls and the highest mileage in town until the owner decided he'd rather focus more in his new investment, 'Sapphires'. The cabbies only get paid $5 a head now to bring patrons to the OG. Sapphires, $50. Treasures, Spearmint Rhino, and other new clubs are paying even higher, $60-70 per head, so it's a no brainer where the cabbies want to go.

So what does this mean? It means that the cabbies do have power, and they know it. They have the ability to fill up clubs in a HUGE way. The dancers want to go work at clubs where there are more customers. The best and hottest dancers flock to the clubs that have a high number of paying customers for them to work on, regardless of whether the club is a mileage-friendly club or not. It is hands down that the Spearmint Rhino currently has the hottest girls in Vegas, we're talking Playboy/Maxim material each and every night. The place is PACKED, shoulder to shoulder on weekends, but due to the architectural nature of the club, high mileage on the floor is out of the question, which sucks for the customer. The vip rooms in these new clubs now are all ridiculously high priced, and you're paying $8 plus a $1 tip to the waitress for a warm bottle of water.

But the girls are complaining as well. Now that the clubs need to make more money to compensate for the money they give away to cabbies, they need to charge higher house fees for the girls. A lot of these new clubs now REQUIRE that the dancers pay *extra* house fees and give mandatory tips to everyone including doormen, bouncers, bartenders, waitresses, and djs. One girl told me she pays on average $300 a night in house fees and tips to her coworkers just so they'd allow her to work without having shit thrown her way. If you're just an average good looking girl you may have a harder time parting with $300 night in tips, so these uglier girls sit pouting at the OG. Granted, this certainly is a way it seems to filter the hot girls from the ugly girls, but you can still throw in a good number of ugly hustlers to the mix of hot girls as well (They never seem to get the clue). So what you have here are high priced low-mileage hot girls and ugly hustlers packed in an all rushed atmosphere. After all is said and done, it's the customers AND the dancers that are being screwed in this whole equation.

This issue is as much the fault of the club owners' greed as it is the cabbies in my opinion. It's the clubs that keep wanting to up themselves from their competitors, paying more and more to the cabbies to sway the customers their way. The cabbies go where the money is, who can blame them? As long as they're not taking you to a blatant clip joint, they have every right to take you to the club with the "hottest girls," not to mention the highest payout. The regulation should be with the club owners and not the cabbies. They should place a legalized limit on how much they are allowed to pay them. Don't cut it out completely, or you'll have the cabbies on strike blocking traffic on LV Blvd. Let them have their cut. Fine the clubs that are caught paying more than they are allowed. It's a lot easier to monitor the clubs than a thousand individual cabs on any given night.

If we don't properly regulate this now, sooner or later the cabbies will be getting paid $150 per head, the customers paying $50 cover, $40 lap dances, $500 half-hour vip rooms and $20 beers. It ALL goes back to the clubs' greed.

[QUOTE=Vanderley]
This issue is as much the fault of the club owners' greed as it is the cabbies in my opinion. It's the clubs that keep wanting to up themselves from their competitors, paying more and more to the cabbies to sway the customers their way. The cabbies go where the money is, who can blame them? As long as they're not taking you to a blatant clip joint, they have every right to take you to the club with the "hottest girls," not to mention the highest payout. The regulation should be with the club owners and not the cabbies. They should place a legalized limit on how much they are allowed to pay them. Don't cut it out completely, or you'll have the cabbies on strike blocking traffic on LV Blvd. Let them have their cut. Fine the clubs that are caught paying more than they are allowed. It's a lot easier to monitor the clubs than a thousand individual cabs on any given night.

If we don't properly regulate this now, sooner or later the cabbies will be getting paid $150 per head, the customers paying $50 cover, $40 lap dances, $500 half-hour vip rooms and $20 beers. It ALL goes back to the clubs' greed.[/QUOTE]


There's a SIMPLE Way around all this bullshk for the out·of·town Tourist =

Do your Research here first [ a.k.a. = [b]RTFF!![/b] ] ; then simply grab a Cab and DEMAND to go to the Club you've chosen

It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =

There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !!

[QUOTE=PsyberZombie]It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =

There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !![/QUOTE]And the 15 freeway isn't "the quickest way" to anything but Utah.

[B]A number to carry with your cell phone when getting into a Vegas cab: Taxicab Authority, aka the TA, (702)486-6532.[/b]

They do have their own taxi cops driving around and can sometimes intercept the cab while you're still in it if you're being screwed by the hack. You should at least get a free ride out of it, if you insist on waiting for the TA at your destination before paying the motherlover who hosed you by longhauling or switching you. If he can't quickly intimidate you into paying and shutting up, expect the driver to take off like a scalded dog before the TA gets there, so get his hack number. If he dumps you out in a bad spot to get rid of you, ka-ching, we have a winner, persue the TA complaint to help document everything then get a local attorney to cash in with a civil suit. You were very scared in that bad area, and you have suffered great traumatic emotional distress, which can only be relieved upon payment of enough money to provide years of hookers, er, therapy, at Sleazeball Transport's expense.
[url]http://taxi.state.nv.us/default.htm[/url]
[url]http://taxi.state.nv.us/TaxicabPhotos.htm[/url]
[url]http://taxi.state.nv.us/ComplaintInstructions.htm[/url]
[url]http://taxi.state.nv.us/CabComplaint.asp[/url]
The drivers count on tourists not doing this becuase Bubba doesn't want the little woman back home to know what really came up "at the convention." Wastrel, on the other hand, is an in yo' face SOB who's utterly without shame, so he will happily put the fact that he insists on getting his propers without getting screwed up in lights on the neon ticker tape in front of Bally's.

By the way, if you can transport yourself to your favored club you may be able to get the cover charge reduced or eliminated entirely, if you ask. You just saved the joint anywhere from fifty to over a hundred bucks.

Hey everyone , I just wanted to let you all know that The Green Door club is a legit sex/swing club and not a clip joint.

This place used to be a scam years ago , but the GD has changed alot and now has a good crowd especially on the weekends.

There are alot of hot couples and some good looking females who go there to play and they are very strict about girls going into work guys for money, they dont allow or tolorate it.

I just want it to be known that The Green Door club is a clean and safe place to play, and the past problems of this club are gone.

[QUOTE=PsyberZombie]There's a SIMPLE Way around all this bullshk for the out·of·town Tourist =

Do your Research here first [ a.k.a. = [b]RTFF!![/b] ] ; then simply grab a Cab and DEMAND to go to the Club you've chosen

It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =

There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !![/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you. In an idealistic world if every horny male took the time to read this particular forum in this corner of the internet before trekking out to Las Vegas, this issue would be resolved. Unfortunately, there are 40 million visitors coming through Vegas every year. If say, half of them were men give or take (not including children), divide that by 12 months, that's about 1.5 million men a month that come to Vegas. Give or take here. Say half of that ventures out to strip clubs while they're here. There are never going to be 750,000 men studying these boards before hopping into a cabbie to drink and have a good time with friends at a gentlemen's club. That's the reality. What makes it even more unrealistic is that probably 30-40% of the 750,000 are foreigners.

Clip joints are one thing, but even when I travel on business (or pleasure), I'm the first to admit I don't always do extensive research to figure out which strip club I'm going to wind down at after a business meeting. I was in Dallas a few months ago, I asked the concierge at my hotel who gave me free cover coupons for a strip club down town. The club was terrific. The coupon had his name on the back, so I'm sure he got a cut. I asked a cabbie later where another good one was. This one was even better than before. Did he get a payout? Probably. If a cabbie took me to a shabby hole in the wall like CanCanRoom saying this is the best strip club in town -- clip joint alert. If it's just a regular, popular strip club, why not ask a cabbie? I don't always have the time to research every detail of simple adult entertainment, especially when going to a strip club isn't the primary reason for the trip in the first place, as with a lot of Vegas visitors. Visitors that come to Vegas for the sole purpose of pussy hunting, should DEFINITELY read these boards.

Cabbies taking visitors to legit strip clubs that give them a higher payout isn't the fault of the cabbies at all. Cabbies go where the money is -- obviously -- but who are the assholes that are paying them? Of course, clip joints are another story altogether. Cabbies that work with clip joints should burn in hell for all I care.

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Compared to most other countries outside the U.S. where cabbies will blatantly drive around in circles for miles on end to screw you over right in your face pretending they don't understand you, even when NO ONE is giving them a payout, trust me, Vegas cabbies aren't all that bad.

[QUOTE=Vanderley]...why not ask a cabbie?[/QUOTE]Why not ask a used car dealer in Topeka, Kansas, or a begger on the streets of Juarez, Mexico? Either is likely to be about as well informed on where to find a good time in Las Vegas, and relatively less inclined to scam you for a buck. Absolutely, positively the last person to listen to is a taxi driver in Vegas. His knowlege is zero. The likelihood of getting screwed by one of his pre-arranged scams is close to one-hundred percent. Somewhere in Las Vegas there is a relatively honest, but very lonely cabbie, who isn't playing ball with the mob by recruiting suckers for them, in between long-hauling his fares to triple the bill. I haven't met him yet. I am familiar with taxi drivers in places like Manila, and drivers in Vegas compare very unfavorably with those in the third world.

As for the utility of taxi drivers in other U.S. cities, I have little experience and therefore no opinion. Maybe they provide more useful guidance and service due to the less transient nature of the business in other places. Or not. But not in Vegas.

[QUOTE=Vanderley] There are never going to be 750,000 men studying these boards before hopping into a cabbie to drink and have a good time with friends at a gentlemen's club[/QUOTE]


Ever read a news story where a local Vice Squad arrests twenty guys in a few hours for Soliciting an U·C LEO ??

No doubt *none* of those guys read these Forums , either ; or they wouldn't be in that pre·dicament

While I feel Sorry for those guys — and the poor suckers who get fleeced by LV cabbies — there's not much I can do about it except try with [b]Wastrel[/b] to inform other Mongers here about the Dangers of our Hobby

Tourist destinations like LV or NOLA used to be , rely on a steady stream of millions of new suckers arriving daily . That's why it's so important to do your Re·search before you visit any of these places = would you go ski·ing at Lake Tahoe or Taos with·out reading up on the place first ??

May·be we can start a new Ad Campaign to help all those guys who won't help them·selves =

[b][i]See Dick go to Las Vegas

See Dick get scammed by a Cabbie

Don't be a Dick !!! [/b][/i]


p.s. =

[QUOTE=Mrjunkbox]Hey everyone , I just wanted to let you all know that The Green Door club is a legit sex/swing club and not a clip joint.... I just want it to be known that The Green Door club is a clean and safe place to play, and the past problems of this club are gone.[/QUOTE]

Thanks , Mr Green·Door·Shill !!

Do you own the place , or just work there ??

It's a most a rite of passage, I think. My first time to vegas, I did all the wrong stuff. Went to all thr wrong places and spent more $$ then I Should have. Then I found the forum. Never again. Now I go to vegas at least 2x a year. I have a great time every time.

[QUOTE=GA Boy]...a rite of passage, I think.[/QUOTE]Point well taken. Some folks do enjoy getting their wallet vacuumed out by one variety or another of highly skilled money extraction professionals in Vegas, and wear it as a badge of honor. If they want to consider it worth the cost to have a story to tell the guys on the block back in Poughkeepsie or wherever, so be it. I tend to forget this, but I shouldn't, since after all, the town was built on creative devices for efficiently separating wide eyed wonders from their cash, and making them like it. So long as they have a reasonable opportunity to get the information needed to make their own informed decision, if they choose.

An interesting article in the Review Journal about the taxi cab kickbacks: [url]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Nov-06-Sun-2005/news/4162888.html[/url]

According to the article, OG is now paying $50 (per person) to cabbies so I guess they finally gave in.

The other point of note is that hotel doormen are diverting strip club goers from the taxi line to limo drivers in exchange for half of the kickback. This pits the cabbies against the limo drivers for fares.

Because the kickbacks have gotten so high ($200 for a taxi/limo with 4 people) the greed factor prevails.

Yeah, Unlike some when I come I always plan to lose money in some shape or fashion. Even when it's on business I'm there to relax and have a vacation of sorts and whats a vaction without blowing some duckets? With that said, I want to have the most fun I can with the money I blow so I try to make it stretch. I'm lucky I don't live there. I'd have to much fun and be to broke.

This town is all about hustling. I know a doorman who made over $100k's last year and part of that six figure was the limo kickback.

If you are not hustling in this town in one way, form or fashion, you are paying too much taxes! I know bartenders that get kicks from cw's for the right to "take up" space at their bar. The cocktail waitresses get bigger boobs and put them on display, how can you not throw a lincoln?

I almost had a good scheme but I couldn't tame this wild horse. this woman I had known for a long time was down and out (couldn't get a real job) she did some under the table and "extras" to survive.

She graduated from a massage school, I went there one time and was one person away from getting her but it would not have mattered, they had curtains as dividers and any little sound would travel.

Anyway, the point of the story is she had a legitimate certificate for massaging. I was going to supply the apartment and the supply of men, yes, my dear friends at SexGuide who have gotten the hookups. But this woman was very undisciplined and there was that probability of her keeping more money than she said she got, once again this is a hustle town.

[QUOTE=JPF]According to the article, OG is now paying $50 (per person) to cabbies so I guess they finally gave in.[/QUOTE]
Stopped by the OG for the first time in months last night to verify the info in the article. The vibe still pails in comparison to how it used to be, but it looks like it's picking back up slowly but surely. This is great news. A lot of the familiar dancers were still there, and not a whole lot of new faces. And yes, it looks like the cabbies are getting $50 a head now according to the dancers I talked to. Hopefully it'll keep picking back up again with girls worth the visit.

When I first walked in the door the dumb b_tch behind the booth told me it was $30 cover. "Excuse me?" I've never paid $30 cover to get into a strip club in my life, let alone the OG. I gave her a look of WTF? and she asked me if I drove there on my own. "Of course I did, I'm local," I answered. She looks up at the ceiling for a minute and tells me it's $20. There was a good line of people behind me waiting to get in and I didn't want to cause a scene so I paid the $20 cover with my Nevada ID still in my pocket and went in. I find out later that locals should only be paying $10 cover. The b_tch ripped me off. I couldn't find her for the rest of the night and the manager was nowhere in sight so I just let it go. This shit is unacceptable, especially at a place like OG. CanCanRoom yes, but not the OG. It looks like they're trying to compensate for the extra cash they decided to pay out to the cabbies.

It appears they never check for the Nevada ID at the door, so just tell them you're local and you should only pay $10 to get in. If you take a cab there, JUST SAY YOU DROVE THERE ON YOUR OWN or YOU will be the one paying the kickback just to get into the fucking place. This is simply the consequece of the greed factor I suppose. Until the place starts picking up again, it's still better off going to the other mega clubs with free cover. I'll check back again in a couple of months with my fingers crossed.

The b_tch ripped me off. I couldn't find her for the rest of the night and the manager was nowhere in sight so I just let it go. This shit is unacceptable, especially at a place like OG. CanCanRoom yes, but not the OG. It looks like they're trying to compensate for the extra cash they decided to pay out to the cabbies.

The "*****" isn't working for the company, she is working for herself. Half for her, half for the company. She can't go wrong as long as she pays the company for each guy she takes, that is not stealing (from the company, that is.)

You notice they don't post the prices to "help" you out. You have to do your homework before you go into any of these joints.

I did the Greendoor thing awhile back but I called and asked what is the admission, any breaks for locals- always, always ask any business if they have a local rate, you would be surprised by how many do-but won't say.

When I got to the Greendoor, I asked the lady how much, of course, already knowing, I just wanted to see what see thought of me. She tried to play me for a sucker at $120. That almost sounded like a price to try to keep me out?

I didn't go in right away, they have tables there you can sit "and think about it". When three beautiful girls went in, I said it was time. Once again, she tried to take me but this time she lowered it to $90, why, I didn't ask.

I paid the local rate and went in, after I gave her an earful.

You have got to do your homework and this board is probably the best because you can ask everybody particular questions. I love AMPs but I wouldn't want to drive all over town (and pay that stupid mamasan fee)
when I can read from everybody what's going on out there.

My greatest mongering is free (another thread on how to do that) then low ball (catching the real pretty ones when they need money and do it at prices they don't want anyone to know) I am not into women with no teeth and dependencies. Its not the sex, its making them do things they don't do with all their clients, that's the high.